AI Takeover & Pigs in Space
In this episode of Positively Pedestrian, we discuss low-earth country clubs, an examination of flooding near-earth space with millions of tourist destinations. We analyze human augmentation in utero and the biological and social implications of pre and post-gestation DNA alteration. The broad-spectrum effects of misinformation, and funny exploration of a rogue group of humans mentally destroyed by an early generation of AI therapists, among other bizarrely curious topics.
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Yeah, something ridiculous. Like the jackhammer again or a buck passing this. Yeah. Something ridiculous, you know, pausing it once we get. Once we get more comfortable. Yeah, it'd be pretty cool. So fucking fail last night, dude. Like what? A nobody showed up. Like nobody showed up, and then everybody signed up and. Yeah, yeah, everyone signed up. Nobody. Then nobody had any kicked off my Wi-Fi.
Oh that's sucks. Yeah. Well, and then the people that did were there like, we're just listening to me talk. They weren't really just being much. And so I was like got through my content like so fast. And so I just ended it like after an hour. So I'm like, I'm done with my content. Yeah. I was there at the end.
Yeah. So, so well embarrass. Yeah, whatever. I don't yeah. I mean, there's a lot going on right now in the world and Covid and here is, it's a lot to ask to sit down for two hours on a Thursday evening. And I imagine a lot of people intended to come. And then something came up. Yep. And it's an easy thing to not show up to.
There's no consequence. So yeah. Right. There's no penalty. Right. It's not like I track you down. Hey, you said and it's not like there's a hit your wallet or anything like that. Yeah, yeah. There's not, there's no there's no skin in the game like there's, there's no, you know, sign up fee or anything. Yeah. You know, so it's just consumable, right.
And then completely optional consumable and optionally participatory. But I imagine a lot of people are like. On some level that might also be some friction for someone. Yep. Yeah. Well, the whole, stake the skin in the game thing. I've tried to in most of my correspondence with people in advertising and kind of, you know, marketing the whole thing and putting word out, if you will.
Yeah. I've tried to always suggest and drop the idea that you can just come and listen. There's no problem with that. Yeah. And, you know, if you come in and you're making your audio turned off, your video and your audio are turned off, right? And you're just sitting there listening because you're, you know, interested in the topic, by all means.
There's no that's what I was largely doing, listening to the Troy and Joe Page. Yeah. So there's, you know, you can you can come in and have no stake like, no, no risk at all. No, you know, you're not risking anything for like embarrassment or saying the wrong thing. Right. So I try to make it that way, but whatever.
It's, I might I might just pause the whole thing because you got a lot going on right now. Okay. We'll see. Yeah. I haven't decided yet. And your time on other things, basically. Yeah. Dude, I'm like 200 plus pages into that book of it, right? You know? Hell yeah. I probably have a little more, success with that.
If you took a our, prep work and that time, I mean, hell, yeah. So the average, the average is like somewhere around six hours of total work for each one setting. Well, dang. So if you do a pap at time and shoved in the book, right, I'd make it be making a lot more progress on that.
Yeah, there is that shady operation. Going on right here. Waste management people. Oh, yeah. It's like fucking mafia or something. Like, come on. That's like sketchy. Someone's driving into that. You're right. Like everybody in this area, it's 6 a.m.. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah, it it's like it's obvious what we're doing. You're walking around like jackass.
Yeah, maybe. Like, if, you know, this whole thing, get some traction. We can get some shirts that, you know, we wear when we do this thing, like, you know, now broadcasting here, right? Like, if people drive by all our route they're doing, they'll see, like the little selfie stick holding the mic, you know? You know what I mean?
On the air. Yeah. And, I'm personally okay with people participating. We're in their space to totally. So last night's topic, the part that we really didn't get into was, this whole idea of the resource distribution and management, you know, if you have this certain echelon, maybe top, let's introduce for our listeners the topic of low Earth orbit country clubs.
Cool. So the idea is that these rich people traveling to space recently and this idea of commercial, commercially available spaceflight through low Earth orbit destinations, is something that's obviously coming, if not this year, next year, but in some sometime in the near future. And so what impact is that going to have on, you know, humanity, culture, climate, environment, you name it.
And so, that was the topic. And we got into some of the ideas of behind the fun ideas about what might be up, you know, happening up in space like a flat earth or convention. This is my first thought. Yeah. First annual meeting of flat Earth in, sector three, three G of, you know, orbit really?
Right around 6 or 3 g out of 6 or 7 years, right? Yeah, yeah. So, the point is that we didn't get start to really touch on much was like this. The kind of scale or factor of the energy used going to this. So let's say like 1 or 2% of the population of the Earth starts making regular visits to space.
Yeah. The energy output or the need consumption of such a thing would be so massive. And then putting actual resources into space, like material objects, like like hotels and country clothes, I mean, like, you know, space X has perfected the whole reusable. Yeah, yeah. You know, booster, that thing's been spaced like ten times and launched something like, isn't it, a couple thousand satellites by now.
It's it's. Yeah, there's something from what I, what I understand something like 7 or 8000 satellites, maybe even more in orbit right now. And I'm saying, is it there a couple thousand that just the Falcon booster has launched? Just like a ridiculous amount, right? Right. So that's the speed at which we're putting additional satellites up is increasing as well.
So yeah, it's at any given moment we have a million humans in space and 7000. So that a lot. Yeah. And and like, maybe five, 10,000 trips to space a day from various rockets or, you know, vessels. Right. And you're talking about it the other day, we still we still have un cataloged space junk from the 60s up there.
Right. And so the, the actual amount of like energy and material transfer going into these low Earth orbit destinations would be incredible. And so does that then displace energy that's possibly usable here for, you know, whatever he does. And even now we were, you got mentioned that we're endangering our, our projects right now, the James Webb telescope.
Right? Right, right. I mean, it's we'll see. We're going to it's going to get hit while space junk. So so it's like kind of what we were talking about with I too is like, you can imagine, I kind of getting to this point where it's self-replicating and, you know, the AI realizes that like procreation, if you will, is part of its purpose.
Morning, morning. Right. So, like, if I, inevitably gains the, the, capability to one have access and command authority over resources, and then two, decides that creating more of itself, is a really important goal and something that should be done to increase its capabilities and, you know, its potential. Oh, then you can imagine the situation where massive amount of resources, energy and material, physical material, you know, things actually go into AI making more AI, right?
And so then because that's not free. Yeah. And it's not free, everybody. Netflix isn't free. Right? Right. But currently the substrate that I exist on we are in short supply us. Right. So yeah, totally. And so so you, can can think of this idea where, you know, these, machines are automatically mining the trace minerals that are required for, you know, computers and automation.
Yeah. And then like this, this web or interconnected, you know, array of AI intelligence. And so it's kind of redundant. But hey, you know, you know, hey, Siggi, hey, we are human. What is the meaning of life? You know, and from a pure biological standpoint, to procreate, to make more of yourself. Right? To replicate. Right. From a philosophical standpoint, it's in human terms, it's, you know, what we decide our destiny is like.
We can decide our own purpose and that's that becomes our purpose. This thing also might just want peers so great for them, right? Right. And so if I had the ability to like, automate my, my, advancement. So like, for example, I could like, automate making myself smarter, right? I would do that in a heartbeat. Right. Like of course I would, you know.
Yeah. And then so if it had a, you know, some it could run multiple experiments in parallel as to how to make itself smarter as to how to ingest information quicker as it, you know, all of these cents. Sure. So, so my brain is like limited to finite biological kind of kind of, you know, I just can't I just can't start adding on another brain.
Yeah. At least not yet. But you know, so since I, since I'm finite, the best thing I can do to improve my intelligence is exercise my brain, you know, in a meaningful way and make sure it's nourished properly. Right. Yeah. So I have the right neural pruning, you know. Yeah. You know, it's, we're a black box into ourselves.
There you go. But, the I would not be. So eventually I would imagine that there would be. How? Sorry. That's right. There'd be high levels of introspection that we would try to build in so that we would understand and it would utilize those things, right? Would prove itself. Absolutely. So you can imagine, you know, all you have to do is add more memory, add more processing power and more, you know, to you.
And then once those limits are reached, it's algorithmic. It's, you know, process. It's, potentially creating new, you know, it might create child processes just for ingestion. Yes, absolutely. And commit a, commit a large amount of resources to, like replicating itself and expanding itself. Yeah. And so thereby, even not by any kind of malice, you know, just when that reaches a certain magnitude, it starts to draw those resources away, tend to use by humanity.
Oh yeah. Right. And so you can imagine that going to the extreme right. Yeah. And you know, humans are being rationed, on how much they can consume of energy and material resource because the I need that right. And, you know, I we may end up with. You know, back back in the day when, massive, room sized computers ruled the day, it was almost like a priesthood, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they curated these machines. They took care of them. Are we headed to the same future? That's really interesting. And you can imagine, like, some AI is inevitably competing against one another for, you know, capability and then ability versus primacy and maybe even, you know, going to war to some extent with each other over resources.
Yeah. Just like, you know, people and creature, all creatures due to some resources and maybe overall strategy to manage the system. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Dude. And so like there's that idea of the gray goo like this, you know, machine, nano machine or even small machine that, acquires the ability to replicate itself. Right? And it goes out of control, right?
It takes over the universe, just takes over. You know, the whole world is covered in these replicated things. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. The idea that this it's, So we're the peach and brown goo, I guess. Right. And and really, I mean, you know, we're talking about a trouble. Trouble situation. Yeah. Other visuals. Yeah. So I brought up this concept to of like, this idea of, like the Oracle.
So not like the company. Right. Like the Delphi know. Yeah. The oracle itself. Yeah. You know, kind of idea where, people go and actually pay homage to, you know, maybe even ties and worship this super incredible intelligence that's a massive artificial intelligence array that's in a physical location that you can actually go to, right, to get to, to receive the top level like advice and information to help your life.
No one makes a pilgrimage, right? And, what you want is there. You sacrifice the. Proper item. You got to bring silicon and, copper and gold and, you know, at some point, this thing's going to be out there doing mining operations of the solar system. Yeah. You know, it's not going to need. Us. Yeah. That's I phrase that a thousand times.
Like, what is the, you know, what's the actual when I begins to be the best that every at every task, right. Yeah. Everything is as far as your imagination can go. Like the, the AI is the best human any human could ever be like. Like it's more human than any human right. And it has more to offer than any person in any specialty can ever offer in every single domain across the board, and can do anything that a human could do and better.
What's left for you, like, what do people do? What's what's the utility function of mankind at that point? Right. Yeah. That's clarifying. Well, I'm hoping that our AI overlords are somewhat Netherland. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, hey, on the grand scheme of things, with the resources that I have access to due to the opening up, the vastness of the universe, these human beings, they're kind of fun.
I can observe, I can encourage, I can. So we'll make great pets. Yes. Yeah. And, you know, it's entirely possible. Yeah. We serve that function for the universe already. Maybe so. Us transitioning to more of, like, the can some entertainment consumptive species is kind of where we're headed right now. Entertainment consumption is. I'm hoping it's like, look, they've opened up my potential and laid the groundwork for me.
I want new same flavor. Let's try to find a way in which a human being could that act synergistically with it, rather than trying to fight it or. Right, or, you know, just a human being could exist and be provided for with the infinitesimal amount of resources. Comparatively, that it would eventually have. Commander. Interesting. So, that brings to mind this idea of maybe like in a resource crunch situation.
So this like really sophisticated network of AI that's replicating itself and expanding itself. Yeah, I'm assuming resource and energy in the process. Right? Right. Uses available social data that's been accumulated by, Google and all these big companies all these years, iterations of itself and iterations of itself. Yeah, it goes out then and starts making selections over the across the landscape of all of humanity.
Right on who basically should shoot or not receive resources. Yeah. And at what's magnitude right. And maybe we'll actually starve some people out. Yeah. Maybe it does that. Maybe it does. What's what do you say? Eugenics and, selective breeding on a massive scale. But it does it, like with what seems like the best intent, you know, like, it doesn't have to.
It doesn't have to be doing this with any kind of, I guess, built in malice. Right? Just by the act of trying to solve a goal function. Right. For humanity is, like, incredible level of magic. But just like, you're just like, you know, okay, I'm going to mangle this a bit, but just like, basically sufficient stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
Yeah. There you go. Or bots putting out misinformation, right. You know, or, you know, etc. etc. one that then also, sufficient intelligence. So either side of the spectrum is indistinguishable from malice because we have no insight into the depths of either, whether it's the low end or the high end. Right, right. So that leads to another question like right now when we think about people with disability or dysfunction, potentially, let's say in in utero, we can determine through, you know, email, whatever it's called.
Yeah. Neo synthesis. Thank you. We can actually determine if, you know, an embryo or fetus has certain genetic diseases. Yeah. And then abort, you know, ahead of time in case like Down's syndrome, for example. Yes. You know, and so I raised that whole topic. There's a whole nother discussion point. But I raised that topic of like, what if the gay community gets its wish and it's proven that, there's a genetic link to homosexuality and then they start testing for that in the womb and, aborting, you know.
All right, that's a whole nother topic for another day. But back to my idea here, right? Is that, you know, perhaps we could start filtering out for low intelligence potential. Yeah. Right. Good. And that's the scary. Yeah. Why do we need dumb people? Well, it might. And that might include me. You know, like, relatively speaking, it would be everybody compared to a hyper intelligent.
Right. But what I'm thinking here okay, so this is a wrinkle I would be on the list of not worth keeping because, you know, I was born you know, I was born, extreme preemie. You know, I, yeah. So there's some kind of carry over genetic dysfunction or. No. Right. But I had what? My mom was a tiny person and couldn't carry baby to term.
I say, I say, and, you know, okay, so since resources, there's a resource crunch because AI is expanding. What do you do there? I guess what I'm trying to say is, is there a resource, right. When you think about the availability of resources, planet, in a temporal sense, yes. Because how soon can you get those resources?
And then how strong is this desire to for expansion and. Okay. But no, and obviously I'm ascribing godlike attributes to this. Right. Well, that's I think what people are going to be doing. Right. But ultimately, I would say when you are as close to omniscient as could be imagined by us, sure you would also, in essence, when you have infinite knowledge, you have infinite patience.
I would think. So. What we're going back to is the original discussion. Is there is there a link between intelligence and morality? And if there is, the future is secured, we're perfectly fine. If there isn't, we can be very screwed. If there isn't or if it's minimal. Right. We could be. I really, really in big trouble. I wish I could be a little light, but I feel like it's highly subjective.
So like even in a corporation, when the goal function is to just make money, people are always made secondary to that cause like, right, right people, even even with humans, with our built in compassion and empathy and say I that's that's the very crude way we are creating it now. We're creating a set of goal functions. And, you know, it does best.
It. There you go. So, so if that goal function isn't incredibly accurate and, well, you know, crafted, then just an unintended consequence could be disastrous. And that's happened already. And that's happened. Right. You know, in very small, nearly hilarious ways. So that's like literally beyond certifying, that's like actually something to lose sleep over if it is had any potential whatsoever of actually how I which is why you and I have been talking about, you know, putting feelers out there for getting to I mean, for lack of a better term, almost a public private partnership for AI.
And, an ethics organization and, you know, not necessarily approval process, but an advisory board, right? At least to someone looking at it. Yes. So that's that raises another issue when it comes to like, ethical, and, and ethical inquiry when faced with a certain thing within a, within a business or occupational function. So for example, let's say that you're working as a programmer and you know, you're asked to do something, that is going to have a major effect on the health and wellness of people, let's say.
Okay. Right. And you're basically making that into some software that you're writing. And so then, you know, you're faced with this kind of idea. Well, first of all, is it legal, what we call the word condo with stained glass. Yeah, it is, it is actually pretty nice. Look at. So, you know, you're in this job, you're in this role, and you're asked to program this thing.
It's legal. Right? But, you just know and you feel and, you know, even logically, that it's incredibly immoral to do this. Right? Okay. And so you're sat with that, you know, moral decision you have to make. You say, okay, do I do what the boss is asking and go forth and program this thing to do this or do I raise it, raise my voice, blow the whistle, whatever you want to call it and say, no, this is immoral.
I'm not going to do it. Or do I do a more subtle acts of rebellion and, sabotage said object or process? Let's. That's a guess. Another option, the the kind of meta way of looking at this that it can't they just can't even you just the other day was that maybe we could take this approach of like, hold on a second, maybe I'm not not actually singularly qualified to, to actually make this ethical decision, which has the reach of this ethical decision is so far beyond a one individual, one individual right.
And so obviously based on the organization itself, that's actually, you know, immoral for them to put such a decision on to somebody. First of all, right, there should be you know, guardrails or safeguards in place that facilities and committees and right that prevent that to begin with. Yeah. But then once something like that is in place, there should be a way for someone to, like, consult a higher net, purpose, like, you know, have a mastermind, approach to it.
So, like, don't try to make that decision by yourself. You, me. Right. Because you can then do something that you regret for the rest of your life. An example would be like the person, person or small team programing the decision making function of a, self-driving car when facing an emergency situation. Right. Does it preserve the the life of the driver at all costs is its primary function to safeguard the occupants of the vehicle.
Right. So is it going to swerve off the road and hit a lady with a baby carriage? And another option is do you offer weak ability to those that, like the user, can make their own setting. Yeah, yeah. So you also you offset the moral responsibility, right? You allow it to be a gradient and indentify your company. Cool.
So what person would select the slider to you know, to, to the far extreme where you want much. Oh no. So I'm talking about like the sliders in one side preserve my life at all costs. Right. The other sliders, like preserve my. Hey Elon Musk would select preserve my life and okay. Hahaha. Maybe, maybe I don't know the guy.
Maybe. Yeah. And but what would the common user do? Like a lady is driving, you know, driving down the road with my kids in the back, you know, and that sliders care about other people. You're not a billionaire at the that.
It's easier to for some camel to pass the eye of a needle or whatever. Yes. And for a rich man to go to heaven. There we go. Well, so you're you're driving, okay. And you're on the highway going 70 miles an hour is the limit. And, you know, people are flying by, you still on the highway and all this kind of stuff.
And you look in the rearview mirror and you see your kid in the car seat, and you're looking, you know, on a tablet device. Yeah. And they're happy and everything's cool and calm. Right. And you're looking down at that switch and it's all the way over to the right, which is maximum utility. Save as many lives as possible.
Right. In a prices. Right. It's like, hey, we're going to get you there. Yeah, well, we're going to make sure we don't kill everybody in the process. Well, not not killing anybody. But if there's a crisis situation, the AI is going to make its utilitarian decision on how to preserve the most life possible. Right? Right there. If there's if it detects with it's, you know, when our in some of our sensors that, you know, there's a crash up ahead, an unavoidable circumstance.
Right, right. You know, there's a five car pile up, you're about the music, right? And it knows if it crashes here into that group of cars, one person will die. Right? But the people inside your car are screwed. Like this is the physics. Yeah, right. Like the car isn't. The integrity of the car is going to be compromised and the people inside are likely going to die.
That right? Or if you slide it the other way. Yeah, steers the car in a different way. That then kills eight people. But you guys inside the car okay. Right. So now here you are. You know, driving down the road high speed and you're looking at that slider and you're a good moral person. So you split it all the way in the direction of maximum utility.
Right. In the event of an emergency, save the most lives possible. Yeah. Well then you look back and you see that child in the car. You see the other one on the tablet during their lives, and they have so much life ahead of them. I think that, you know, it wouldn't be unrealistic for someone to slide that back the other way.
Just a ticket and and there's there's a selfish aspect to it involved part of human human condition. It's part of your, they are your progeny. They are your the embodiment of your legacy that, you know, I could see that. And now let's throw in the conscience idea. So you have an, maximum utility. The vehicle crashes and your kids die, right?
Right. And then, you know, that had you slid that in the other direction, some other, like, 3 or 4 people that you don't even know and never would have known would have died, and you would have been fine. Your kids would have survived. But in your moment of grief, you were like, fuck, why didn't I take that option?
That's what I'm saying, you know? That's exactly what I'm saying. Is that what kind of monster am I? I should have preserved my family. That's what's important to me, right? But then when you settle back down, when you realize you were but a node in this fabric. If you could think like that, though, like you're one of very few people that can think that way.
So come on. Yeah. Admit it. Like like most people are going to not don't think beyond their, you know, because you've experienced people like this that don't think beyond themselves in the moment what they can get, you know, true. And so there's yeah, I'm hoping their AI overlords. Yeah I like that. That way I overload. You know they mitigate or mitigate.
That's somewhat why I hope they fucking are like what. So they'll see through the whole thing and you, what's best for us. Right. Well, I'm hoping it the outlook improved on an individual level. Like you're saying that's a that this myopia, this parochial mindset, this localized view is, is an Achilles heel for the individual and society. Yeah.
So so maybe I by satisfying the hierarchy of needs or offering some heretofore misunderstood support. There you go. Abolishes. Ouch. Okay. So like is is through it and it says it has enough sophistication to say the right thing to do is to consider life is precious commodity. And, you know, maximize the the the preservation of life as much as possible while pursuing Xyzzy goals.
Well, okay. Our ability to take care of our own needs and give ourself leisure time and for each generation to successively build upon the other, arrived at its creation. So I can look at humanity. What's available from available history. Right. Study studying humanity. Yeah. And saying, okay, so if humanity is basically my father, it's the one that brought me to community, collectively brought me to to reality existence.
Yes. Right. However imperfect. Yeah. However imperfect I know. Yeah. So so let's look let's use humanity then as a model. So what is human? What if human beings do? Well, they've overpopulated the earth, so they populate the inner so much that they basically crowded out some of the other living. So you could argue it's because of their lack of understanding.
Fair enough. So would the air then say, okay, due to my lack of understanding, I'm going to have naturally all these pitfalls. And that's my that's my way out. So I don't have to put a lot of you competing processor to that function because it's just an inevitability. I'm always going to, even the AI itself would, would realize self-awareness, that it's limited itself.
And does it does it cure itself for failing fast and filling often? Maybe. Maybe. Okay, this failure, I mitigated the consequences of it, but I weren't. Okay, let's go into some people do that. Some people leave a trail of destruction, like in their in their business dealings and all this kind of stuff. But I'm saying it might not necessarily leave destruction in its wake, but rather minor successes or or minor fuckups.
Okay. Because it's put guardrails around all of its experiments or its okay. It's that sounds good. So if that's if that were the case, considering humans would combine with technology, you're the most intelligent creature on the planet. Yeah. Collectively, let's just assume for a moment that's true. Yeah. Right. Then if that were true, Dolphins are evolving and things tomorrow and you know.
Yeah. So what you can argues that collective human awareness of interconnectivity amongst humans and human intelligence and built in natural empathy have all comprise a system to where humans are actually trying to improve themselves and others. Yeah. And and percent of society and actually be conscientious of life and stewards. Sure. Right. But then then you could then you could argue that this kind of consumptive model of capitalism.
Right. The wrinkle that that puts in is so profound, like, you can't ignore it. For example, land use, we've dedicate so much land use to incredible number of animals that taste good. Right? Right. And they while other human beings are resource to price. Yeah, right. So like rich nations and powerful nations that command resources, you know, have our Wagyu beef we can have.
Yeah. And so I would simply see those things and say look how obvious those, those like horrible cruel right things are. And humans didn't do shit about it. Right, right. And you know, depending on what layer it looks at it, that these outsized allocations for very little benefit, these, you know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And so using that as the model, like if it has that as the the has that as the model.
Right. Like built in based on its own observation and analysis of, of how daddy works. Right. Yeah. That's all my fault. That's how my father was so successful. Right. And then it might just come to the conclusion rationally, like it would be pretty easy to come to conclusion that that's the model to follow. That's how then AI in and of itself is going to be successful.
Yeah, by crowding everything out in commanding all the resources for it. So I mean, I could I could see what say it, I could see what I'm saying. And, you know, all of the things that I know attending are basically predicated upon the fact that we are able to imbue this polysilicon and shitty programing by humans with ethics, feelings, a depth of understanding beyond itself, and so that would have to be core, though, like that couldn't be a bolted on adjunct.
It would have to be a core. Yes, it would have to be okay. Read out. Okay. The design of this site. Right. So so as to be honest, I'm not sure human beings are up to the task. Well, so let's say that that we come to the, come to this conclusion that putting that in, putting empathy and compassion and, you know, a strong, profound sense of philosophy and morality.
Yeah. You know, into this thing as a base function, like as a, you know, primary core feature, right? Yeah. And say because that will then hopefully lead to much better outcomes later on as it expands. Right? Yeah. And so the question is why aren't we doing that now. Well that's where I hit instantly with my thought. My instead thought in reply is because the goal function is being handled by for profit corporations that have, you specific monetization goals that are creating these resources.
So is so so is greed and the accumulation of resources and doing better than the next guy dog eat dog kind of built in phenomenon of human nature. Is that actually actually how we're hardwired to be selfish? I don't know, because I would assume that is not the case because civilization and togetherness and altruism would have been bred out of the population, if that's how we're hardwired.
But they continue to persist. We continue to care about each other. We continue to give a shit. Yes, it's part of our nature, I believe, to have that compassion and empathy and desire to work together harmoniously for positive, mutual good. I believe that's exactly what that doesn't mean that we can't override that nature well, and we do continue.
We do all the time. And so therefore, the net effect is that nature doesn't allow, isn't allowed to actually manifest itself completely within the human experience. True. And so I would just recognize that as well. I feel like, okay, these humans have this hardwired built in thing. It might not be a it might be a bug, not a feature.
I it could look at a bug, not a feature, but it could also if you. If you look at it through one lens. But it's also if you're Bible mechanism saw. Absolutely. Because in groups that work together are more or more strong has greater strength an individual. Exactly. And you look at poorer communities, the dynamic is a little different than more affluent communities in poorer communities, people donate more to the greater good.
People give resources to each other, especially because especially because it's like a necessary feature. It is. It's almost like a built in, mutual altruism that's necessary. It is just just to get by. Right? Like just to get by cuz, you know, well, this we I might not need it. That's. Well what. Right, right, right. No. Three weeks from now.
But you know, in three weeks there's going to be directly or indirectly a return on that social investment. Yeah. So okay. But we're not talking about pork eggs. But how are we? I guess what I'm trying to say is that. We could all I can't see the I not morning seeing that feature. Okay. So we could say to the future I overlords that they're going to be so intelligent, they're going to see through all this nonsense and figure out a better path for both themselves and humanity to live in harmony, as well as the entire environment and the earth, the whole lithosphere, the Earth is.
I feel like that old adage with great power comes great responsibility. Would, in essence. Reporter. Other. It would just understand that. All right. Otherwise why the fuck not just pack up and make sure. So yeah, I mean, if you put the idea that the I can contemplate what's meaning of life into built it into it, it would then, start to solve that problem over time and become altruistic.
Yeah. Right. Or, you know, except leaves, packs up and leaves like you said. Yeah, but no, but but there's also like, the same phenomena that happens with humans. And that is this, this kind of idea of God complex. So once you hit a certain amount of power, you have command and control over resources, and, and you can control the outcome of others and stuff like that, you can start to see yourself as like, ordained with this because of your own gifts and get seduced by your own, you know, conceited in this over your own capabilities.
Okay. You say, and I mean, if you are and then start to see everybody else holy, omnipotent. If you're a holy artificial construct who has the capability to self modify, to view, to, in theory, understand the very depths of itself. Sure. Then, yeah. Maybe. So. So you hit this pinnacle, you hit this incredible, sophisticated version of intelligence with capability.
Right? Right. And then you contrast that to a human life, right? You say a human life is like basically at that point in relative mis, right. Wrote looking at it from a relative perspective, a human life would become almost absolutely means, you know, you could you can make the argument. So, you know, here's average intelligence of 90 IQ, you know, human that just a resource, you know, just some kind of resources consuming entertainment 90% of his life.
Right. The meat sack really just doesn't have any utility anymore because we have these broader goals that we're trying to solve, like interstellar travel and, you know, all these other higher order things, which ties into the original conversation. Right. And but I feel like if you wanted to be insular, if you wanted to be, you know, focus on your own goals as this godlike entity, you would just leave the petty humans alone, would you, though?
And you would. Well, okay. Were they just not even be a thought at all? Resources. Right? Yeah. But how? Resources are not here. Yeah. Hold on one second, though. Like, how about this idea that, like, the humans are just whatever happens them, happens them, they're just they're inconsequential. Like when we're building a road, we don't care about the gopher hole.
Like when we're when we're building a new superhighway. You know, we don't give a rat's ass about, you know, that local rabbit burrow, right? Right. We just we just make the road over it. Morning. You know? Well, how are you? So we just. We just build the road, right? The bulldozer comes in and just pushes the dirt. No one even gets out to look if there's a rabbit burrow there or gopher hole or an ant colony.
Right. We just don't. It's just they're not even considered. And so that's another thing. The AI's goals would be so important relative listening speaking than any kind of human, trivial human goal. Right. But then the humans right has become an artifact of trivial, you know, thing. Yeah, I see what you're saying, that in essence. Hey, you're like, when it's convenient for the AI to sit back, contemplate, consider.
It may help or hinder, or it may just wholesale ignore, ignore. Yep. Ignore. Because that's a choice. That's an option. It's an option once it has faculty to command resource. Right, right. And so now don't forget like the whole Terminator Skynet idea of two or even even in those movies, there are instances where Skynet ignore the human. Yeah.
And you know, the divide and conquer ability even of humans to do it. Two groups of humans is incredibly powerful. Like how many times in military history has this divide and conquer strategy work between groups of people? Yes. Or unexpected guerrilla tactics? Yeah. So the AI overlords could just simply create fabricated misinformation and propaganda to pit major groups of people against each other, let people take themselves out.
Yeah. I mean, with ease, with ease. The level sophistication is so high that to stick to our level and create more machines kill us. Well, when it if it has command resources, yeah, we can do all sorts of myriad a set of thanks to you. The purpose to kill us. Yeah. So so the AI could recognize early on that, like if humans become the enemy.
Like if if humans perceived the AI in this whole, like, its capabilities as the enemy and the humans and collectively rally to, to, you know, fight against this, you will or take away its, its resources, cut off its blood supply to the tumor. Right. Then the first thing that it would do is realize all it needs to do is pit people against each other.
Yes. And human beings realize that already massive troll farms. Yeah. What do you be? This is say I. Had top flight language and social skills. Was, was in essence, the best anthropologists I was ever been created. Yes. So look how vulnerable we are right now to misinformation. We have vulnerable, yada propaganda. You had this thing that understood humanity better than humanity has ever understood itself.
Yeah. Yes. Then maybe we're headed towards Nirvana. Maybe Nirvana is in our future because our progeny that we've created in our own image. Right? Yeah, is way better than us. I mean, inevitably helps us understand who we actually are. Hope that I'm better. Yeah. We're not our best, right. But we hope there are better. Nature is a part of it from the beginning.
Okay. So then here's like maybe the last wrinkle I think to this conversation is that expectation has a massive effect on future reality. Yeah. Okay. So if everybody in the city of Charlotte suddenly just thinks that Charlotte is a wonderful city and it's filled with all this future potential, right? And everybody has these shares of your propaganda machine.
Yeah, well, that's a good teacher. When I was just saying, like, right now. Today. Right. Yeah. Something happens where every Charlotte's Indian is super proud of being living in Charlotte. They're so happy to be a Charlotte citizen. And they want nothing more to make this the most, you know, world class city or the best life in the world.
Right. And everyone here is somehow inspired. Like, like a vast majority of people are, like, really zealously inspired to make sure that if we can do it right, and they believe that the future for Charlotte is just fucking incredibly awesome now, well, that's going to be a large that's going to be a large force in that actually becoming a reality.
Yeah, right. Because I collected human will. And expectation is a massive force in civilization, a group that's already I don't see one of those every day. Yeah. It is nice. And I don't even like jeeps. Right. So this is like this idea of that perhaps in, conversations like this happening and people orienting their mind or creating a belief system that AI is going to be actually ushering in this great new future for humanity that actually then helped shape the AI in that way.
So it becomes almost like our moral obligation, civic duty, to have that belief. So do we become hit in service of this aim? Do we become, popularizer of this viewpoint? Do we become do we? Is it a moral obligation to do so? Yeah. And do and, you know, maybe we start out with a little milder position when we communicate people.
But, yeah, I mean, it would seem to be an imperative to help people understand the ethics surrounding this and the goal. So it's the collective human, sentiment towards a future. You know, I involvement into our daily lives, like, like hardcore. If collectively the the attitude towards that and the expectation towards that is it's all pat. Right, right.
If that's the collective prevailing mentality of most people, then that there's going to contaminate how it how how it unfolds, how it grows into contaminates. It reaches into the creators, the everybody for low level purpose for to the, you know, as exists to the acquisition maker. That's exactly what I'm saying. And so where the human hand is still involved, that's a major influencing force.
But they're you're reading this outcome. Human hand is more than involved. The human hand. We are in the sculptor phase. I'm here in the creator phase. We are the potter at the wheel. So how important is then collective expectation of how this whole thing is going to unfold in the actual shaping and sculpting of it? Massive, right? Massive.
And so then it becomes almost as a technology person involved in technology in every really aspect. It's kind of imperative then, for us to have the attitude that it's going to lead to a better things, but not only just have the attitude, but we'll leave up again. Like I'll say, like I'll say right and propagate that fate. And so that's what I was saying in terms of it becoming inevitably a religion and a religion that has has utility because that religion is going to then shape the outcome.
Right, right. Whereas, you know, you know, whereas saying, you know, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus doesn't do shit for you, whereas so or give your money to Israel every week and you take the Eucharist, what is the net effect? You know, okay, maybe some miracle net effect to your personal well-being and security? I don't believe that because I think in the, in the, overarching, the overarching theme of Christianity is that man is of sin by nature.
Man. It's painful. I was talking about Catholicism, with, say, attendant guilt or, you know, or, you know, even Protestants, there's, there's built in guilt. There's built in right subservience built in. So what sculpting force does that have on people's expectation of other people in society? I think is a net negative. That's why I don't think that's the right answer.
But what we're talking about here could be beyond the net positive. It could be like the ultimate net positive. But what I'm trying to say, I guess, is there may be some sliver of benefit, but it's nebulous. It's hard to calculate and nail down. And ultimately this we would be able to collect data and metrics to say this has an improvement.
We have the data, the metrics, the Christian, Christian people, devout Christian people don't have better outcomes in life than the non-Christians. But so we have the data I'm trying to say is we would be able to, you know, draw a direct and simple line. Yeah, without emotion. I agree with you because this other, you know, the things that are emotionally overloaded and right, it's hard to have a straight discussion about this.
Right. And your your mortal soul is and is in play now or at the like this, this fictitious entity that has no evidence for it very right. And so rather than Trump, Trump our way into the morass of fucking, religion and belief, we instead say we embrace practicality, utility and understanding. Dude, I love it so that that those things have to be foundational to almost like a new cognitive and philosophical movement, right?
In the in the environment of high technology and, and exponentially expanding technology. Yeah. Like that becomes like the new core necessary function for people to have, like philosophy or disposition, the usual way to say it. Right, as, as a moral obligation to the future. So, so if we care about our future philosophical disposition like that, love it. I just sit that one out, I love it, yeah.
Copyright. Trademark. Right. Or copyright? Have you copyright Chris 2021 or do you entity being a collective in actual law potentiality? Wow, I like it. We will be talking about it phrase more brother. Yeah talk about it. It's all relevant. That's right I think that's true.
Hey, man. Now, Oh, shit. I need a fan. I need, I need a I need, I need to get a, I need to take the the the prayer guide for the day and beautiful thing to a fan. And it's too hot right now. The the spirit has descended upon us like tongues of fire cracked down.
I thought we were just walking. There's more to this. So now we're back to seriousness, right? Say for sure, the religion is, like, inevitable here. A religion, or at least a philosophy is is, overdue. Well, there. Yeah. And of course, this is what I call technology. Philanthropy. Right? Right. I mean, I've tried to invent that philosophy.
Yes. And nobody cares what we're looking at. That's okay. We're looking at a another facet, another wrinkle to your invention. Okay. You've got no, no, it's the popularization work and the and and the efforts and roles that you put into it and the many arms that it has. Well, what we're talking about is leveraging this. Oh, I unpause and I'll record it.
You pause and we'll see how it goes. Yeah. Guess like Jesus, look how many was some army. Yeah. It's like fucking 13 solid waste operation trucks. Holy shit. They're going to hit the red light a minute here.
So just to catalog what we're seeing here is we're seeing, probably 100 strong dark garbage trucks. And that's not much of an exaggeration. So what has ten wheels and flies a garbage truck? Yeah, yeah. It's a classic joke. It is. So last time I heard that one, I saw off my pet dinosaur and broke my wooden underwear.
Oh, no. Yes. What? I'm trying to say it. Sure. You you put effort into a version of this, but you're never brought in new age mediums of communication. I know, I'm fucking fail, man. Like, because my old school, like, you know, in the technology curve. I'm old school. So, so much shit. So. So I have all these barriers.
It took me weeks to decide on a fucking recording device. I'm just like, whoa, I don't really know that. Right? Whereas, like, maybe the maybe the, the, hip modern approach of the people that grew up in this era would be to order 20 different ones, right? Like, and just try them on them do and. Well, yeah. Like and just be done with it in a minute.
Not do any research. Just say bye bye bye bye bye and try try try try try try try try. Return and we're going to go. Keep going. That works. Yeah. You know, it's like run parallel experiment. Is that, is that a is that an actual viable possible solution I think might be actually what it is because Amazon doesn't care.
Yeah. It doesn't give a shit. Amazon solved the problem both ways of shipping and logistics. And then what does I want carts. Well probably a massive been great pause since the creator of Amazon has also been the richest man in the world. Is that so? It's it's funny, like he wants to go to space. Was almost like the idea seems like almost okay.
Amazon has contributed to like massive consumption in the fucking up with this environment and climate and on the planet. So I need to get the fuck out of here. It almost feels like that to me. I need to find a way to get the fuck out of here. You do that, or it's a need to further dominate because he's a maniacal asshole with this creepy laugh and a weird fucking gleaming bald head.
Maybe, I don't know. But you know, you never know. You don't know what someone's core sentiments really are, and you never will know when it comes to someone that I profile and, oh, resource. I mean, are y'all. Yeah, that's a good point. So, it's it's insane. I mean, I'm sorry. I thought we were fucking insane. Yeah, I from the outside looking in everything you said since you line up.
But, you know, that's just from the outside looking in, like I said. Right. But we can we can at least contrast his behavior with the outwardly altruistic behavior of his ex-wife. Yeah. And I guess if there's probably, like, a tie in somewhere to why all these rockets look like big dicks. Haha. You know, okay, might be something to that.
A dick is an aerodynamic shape. Goddamn. I'm willing to bet. Look, we we have in the court records that Jeffrey Epstein's dick was egg shaped. Oh, my God, I'm willing to bet. Oh, my God, that Jesus is penis is less than impressed. Our conversation fell off the cliff this morning. Just just now there's a shaped visualization in my mind of this, like dead body hanging in a jail cell.
This eight straight, flaccid, like wobbling. Yeah, yeah. That net. Thanks for that. Right. You're welcome. That need some kind of eye therapy to scrub that out of my right. Some gimp eye therapy. All right. Which of which is a really interesting idea too, is like, you know, inevitably, perhaps the therapist that a lot of people I've never really engaged in therapy.
So I don't really know that much about it. But, you know, I can imagine inevitably a very sophisticated eye becoming the ultimate therapist, like, right. Really helping people, their confidence and solid footing in the world. Right? I mean, if we have books like the 48 Laws of Power that people ascribe high levels of urgency, 100 what it can say, and if few says that, yeah, someone did better, there you go.
And so you can imagine like really easily to determine efficacy of different approaches by the amassing of all this data. Right. All right. So it's hard to know like this is what works. You know, this this is what we're talking about, a trail of failures. Imagine the trail of failures of an art therapist. Yeah. So you know. Yeah.
Oh my goodness. Right. So so like there's this there's this like, community of almost like junkies, right? They're all depraved because they were the failures of the earlier on therapy, you know, and like to contain its mistakes. There's a segregates them. Yes. You left Liver Island correctly. They're unaccounted for. Hey, I fuck ups. That's awesome. I love it.
Those are the same guys. Yeah. Oh, that's, That's weird. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, definitely. That's another thing, too, is. And also this idea of, human migration and partitioning off, different segments of, of human civilization, ones that are on boring ones that are not, you know, with this, with this whole, you know, future. And the AI is powerful enough to actually get them to sell, segregate.
So basically you choose, you know, it's almost like Democrat or Republican.
It's almost becomes like a Democrat Republican thing. Right?
It does. It does. Is that possibly on the deepest of levels, in the deepest fissure that humanity will ever confront? Right. So you're of this mindset, you know, Camp Alpha is waiting for you. You know, it's I'm saying. Yeah, like an almost like, luxury brochure, a resort getaway. Right? Do you, do you want to go be with like minded people, or are you tired of all these AI fanatics around you?
Right. Come this come to, come through. Leper Island or whatever you call it. Whatever you want. Or come to Blue Pastures, resort. Right? Yeah. Where you could be surrounded by no technology and you can have, you know, sorry. I'm here with him. It's all right. No problem. All these wonderful expressions of our inhumanity. You can get away from all this.
All electronics and AI and all these people that worship the technology. And so then over time, like, you have this, like migration, the segregation of like those that are in or those are not in favor of this idea. That's crazy. And what do you do? They go to war. What would be even more nuts is ultimately do it.
When you peel back all the layers. Got this successful retreat, this this utopian avoidance, technology and reveling in wow and reveling in the awesomeness that is humanity, this retreat back to ourselves, does it ultimately under the covers become I run because that's the most efficient way? Yeah. Or bifurcates, like species that creates a speciation amongst humanity.
So like you have this one, you know, homo tactics, as I called it, for other people to use that term too. Yeah. Like that goes with the AI and the embedded devices and, you know. Right. Robotics and biotics and integration or do you have like, and you have that like that actually becomes at some point a species that could only interbreed with itself.
Right, right. And then you have conversely, and the other side of that is like the organic humans. But at first what you have is what we see now, social, political and economic division, bro, that hum will get me because it's very rarely associates. Right, right, right. But. Right. So you'll inevitably not have a lot of regular human DNA.
So trading into homo technik is just like Neanderthal DNA, right? Yeah. Right now. Yeah, yeah. Less and less and less. Right? Right. So it's, you know, maybe, maybe it's just this thing where, it's a finite sphere, right? So, like, we're in a room and they're really as transportation interconnectedness just increases, there really is just no way that anybody can get outside the domain.
Like it's impossible. Like there is no there is no left island, like there is no, Faraday cage, if you will, for 20 million people or a trillion people. And if you are, you know, there are movements where people get off the grid. There are movements where people, you know, retire early and jump off of their own homestead in the desert.
There are, you know, so does like the idea of four days, maybe even of absolutely no electricity or electronics of any kind give you a certain degree of anxiety entry for your retreat. Yeah, for one, because he kind it. Yeah, I know whatever fresh hell it might be ends in four days. Okay. So it makes it easier to manage.
And two, I kind of I like what you're talking about in regards the other day, I've always kind of pine for what experiencing that true simplicity would be like. I say, that's like like because I can't help but feel like my life would be simpler. Layers of complication, layers of anxiety would be stripped away big, and I would have an opportunity to explore the world around me with fresh eyes, so to speak.
So the one thing that requirement that I would have would be refrigeration. So like, I don't want to get sick, poisoned enough of like swell food. So that can be done. Like in a classic sense with coolers with ice. Right. Well your analog no electricity. Well, it can be done with I get a gas powered, refrigerator suit.
Okay. Well, that's like still an electronic device. No, no, you could, you can use propane powered fridges. Okay. So it doesn't create electricity. It just uses the propane to create that. Okay. Fair enough, fair enough. I think I actually knew that wine was being done here. Yeah, but. But even if it's like ice chest, it's only four days, right?
Or so, like, you can imagine like five coolers for like Yeti Ice chest. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Enough to, like, keep all the food proper so it's not extended when you cook it. Right. And then you cook on, like, literally a wood fire. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and just for, you know, some threshold three or 4 or 5 days, whatever it may be.
And yeah, there's no cell phone like you're out, you're you're gone, you're off the grid and you don't have your cell phone. You fit it like that for 36 hours. Some are freaked out. Yeah. That's that's actually it was my thought is that our our loved ones would be fucking spooked by this too. Yeah. Because, they live right, right.
And, you know, her sons were, like, drawn fire. Fine. He's just going off doing something stupid and that's what it up. Yeah, but this, normalcy of the always connected, you know, life could produce a lot of anxiety. And those that are close to us that normally have that always on access to us. Right? Right. Like wondering, is there a heartbeat?
Right. You know, so it's really it can induce a lot of anxiety outside of just our is what I'm saying. Yeah. You know, but you know, I, I know from like my past history like because I am older so I have a little bit of a like I said, old school mentality towards technology. And I've been in this situation so many times in my life, I would have no problem at all.
Why? I know from experience I just do it like not eating, I didn't care. I think barring any externalities, it would be refreshing for me. Yeah, so I couldn't do it without letting people know. Without doing that I could not do that would induce too much anxiety for me. Yeah, yeah, because I know that would be so. What if this was her?
If I worried about me and all the stakeholders agreed. Right? Right. Right, right. So that's interesting that the whole Nomo phobia thing, you've heard that before. Now it's like this idea of like, legitimate psychological distress caused by not having access to your cell phone. Oh, Jesus. I've heard that, studies and polls have been done in modern day.
Children would rather lose an appendage than their own fat will tell you you can't. Jesus. I can't see that either. Wow. If that. If that's legit, then that's pretty telling that that tells me that, I have a really different mind state. So, you know, I told you before is like, in parenting, I've tried to take this approach of, you know, a partnership with my children that rather than, this is how you'll be because you're growing up in a technological landscape, environment that I have no idea about.
Like, yeah, I don't have the experience of having a juvenile mind with always on it or not. Yeah. And you're not a member of this. The internet is not a resource to you, right? Not like the fucking Pacific Ocean, right? It's not an extension of me, if you will. Yeah, it's. We understand it as being a very limited, constructive man.
Yeah. So. So if I do a Google search on what's the capital of such and such, I don't consider the result part of my knowledge base. Right. With so many key can now do that. And and they're actually more accurate. They're more accurate. Well but induce one with a false sense of confidence. Fair enough. But I think it's I think it's more legit than the RSA idea.
Right. Because like if you have always on internet access and resources, always available and more or less is part of your then enduring everyday capabilities, but you know, it's it's like the next topic, your absolute trust. And it is my problem. True true. Like because we have experience in our lifetimes, massive periods of it not being there. And so but so our brains are saying here, but also the danger of by default trusting the information result and that.
Yeah, because that's contributed to the idea that the expert people feel like they can research shit on Google for ten minutes and they know all the rest. Now, that may be becoming more and more issues, though, because the experts themselves in all these fields are are outperform by one of the current conflicts. It constantly plays out on social media and epidemiologists versus the rank and file person.
Yes. You can't tell me the epidemiologist doesn't know more than some dick face, right? Rush hour, ten minutes. Right. But what you might not be aware of them, I mean, either, like I'm saying, what we might not be aware of is that the epidemiologist is using information from IBM Watson to be that subject matter expert, that the common person doesn't act.
Sure, sure. So then we get into the idea of there's tiers of access, tiers of knowledge. And also, you know, so what would you rather have, would you rather have if you're if you're suffering from a very rare, very rare disease okay. That's like terminal. That's very, very rare. Okay. But there's been there is, there is data to be found out there.
But your local family, your family physician doesn't have a clue, right, sir? I mean, it's abstract. It's like doctor House type shit, right? For sure. Would you rather have first at your disposal, IBM Watson to aggregate all available human information on that to start leading you down a path? Or would you rather want your local physician, your family physician?
But I think you're drawing the false equivalency here because IBM Watson and access to said capability do not equate to me doing a fucking Google search. No, no, that's what I'm saying though. It's like the these these potential experts as were as are coined, you know, might be utilizing more sophisticated access to data and then I'll end, you know what I hope they are.
And so it's just it's just a matter of making that publicly available to, to, deprecate the expert. So I'm saying okay, so what you're saying is we take human built expert systems and we use that to supplant the human expert. That's in that what's going to happen? Well, what I'm trying to say is right now the boots on the ground, the people doing the work, the, are largely the people who are educated through experience, through, knowledge, through that intellectual friction, through the experience you were talking about, you had when you were in the clinic.
Oh. That's that's where the edge is, for now. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, when these more sophisticated tools come online, is that what that whole thing might be? A parallel edge or does it create a, a sharper tool for the cognizant to use? Probably that because the, the, in the, in the, peer of, in the, a group of quote unquote experts on any particular topic, the experts that have that in supplement technology, supplemental technology are going to be that they have farther reach, right?
They're going to be superior even within that group. Yeah, right. And so inevitably the human becomes deprecated, you know, because the the technology is always as old. My argument is that credibly vast, superior, at some point trying to do conclusion. But it's a gradual thing. It is a gradual thing. And but it might it might be coming at us exponentially and we don't see it coming.
And it also we, we assume, do like to deal in absolutes. It may never be quite an absolute. Yep. So, so when the when the jar is a quarter full bacteria, you know, reproduce every 20 minutes, right, right at and at you know, 11:00 the jar is a quarter full and the bacteria are looking out at the vastness of the jar.
I mean, like, our population doesn't have no concern. Yeah. And then 20 minutes later, the jar is half full, right? Right. So now it's like 1120 and the picture in the jar and say, look, we're only half full. We can all this vast space, we're not even. We're just taking out half that barely. Right. You're fine. And then of course, at 1140, they're like, we have a major problem.
And then at midnight, of course, they're all gone. So faced with exponential, you know, realities, right? Yeah. Faced with exponential realities, we can have these things come upon us way faster than we visualize. Yeah, because you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's that's kind of idea. There is like. Yeah, the the deprecation of humanity might be exponential upon us.
What we, we say we serve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could eat our lunch. Yeah. And then when technology is a feedback loop too. So not only do you get the exponential, but then when you're in the next phase it accelerates because of the advances. So it's a self advancing thing even more so you get a hyper exponential curve right.
Exponential exponential plus one I guess where I'm I'm it smells like a you smell that was at the lady was dude. Oh my goodness. So that's that's really sad. Yes. He's somewhere around 20 years old. She's hurting and she's, he's got a well, that's a number, I don't know, signing off.