0:01 So here's one like kind of autistic savant thing that I do when I see house numbers. I try to make a math formula that works. That's true. Like, so you're at 1201, right. So I'm thinking one minus two equals plus zero equals negative one. Nice. There we go. I don't know why I've been doing that for a while.

0:29 It's like a challenge to see if I can find some math equation for. Yeah, that actually works. Yeah. Okay. Some of them are tough. I don't fucking matter. What? Fucking puppies.

0:47 So. So the holder of the technology gets the president on the umbrella.

0:53 Right. We we as humans, we allow ourselves to be uncomfortable for the sake of technology. Right.

1:02 Yeah. It's not this video. One time where this guy gets, like, pushed in the water and he, throws his cell phone, like, pulls it out of his pocket and throws his cell phone to safety. Right, right, right before plunging into the water. No. Yeah. Well, he had the presence of mind to like. Oh, shit. My cell phone.

1:24 Right? No, he's sitting by the edge of the pool, and, some jackass friend of his, like, comes up and pushes him, right? Yeah. You know, I mean, well, everyone's done that, I guess. Right. Sure. And, I mean, I don't do it, people, because. Yeah, I just don't. Because you're not dick. Yeah. But, you know, as a kid, you know, I was pushing the pool, right?

1:48 Some of the times. Yeah. You know, I'm sure that I pushed people into the pool as well. Oh, yeah. Sure. It's like kind of a kind of a childhood thing. Yeah, it's. If you do. If you do as an adult, you're a real fucking cop. Right. Well, I could see it, like with with it after a few drinks.

2:04 Right. Yeah. But anyway, So. But this guy, like, reaches in his pocket and has friends of mine. It's a cell phone. So fucking crazy. It's awesome. Just before he hits the water, I probably would have never done that. Yeah. So he, like, he saved it, you know? But, you know, that made me think, you know, we we have this, like, presence of mind, of preserving technology.

2:27 Oh, yeah. You know, like like it's greater and better than ourselves. Yeah. That's like the, you know, the the server room being freezing cold and technicians that are working in there like, you know, freezing cold, super loud. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know maybe it's just the guys like you know shit that things were thousand dollars.

2:48 You know might be a financial thing too, but some of them were five, six, ten grand about the cell phone. But yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. The cell phone is either cell phones not expensive. Oh, no, not cell phones. I was thinking you were saying server room, so I was like the servers. Yeah. I wonder what the most expensive cell phone is like.

3:07 Not just something that's blinged out, but like, like technologically, not something owned by Paris Hilton, encrusted with crystals or something.

3:18 Because that's important.

3:21 I've seen something online before, you know, somebody like showcasing this, you know, stupid, expensive song, but, Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. You're gonna, like, go, but so far. Right. Like. Yeah, like, I cannot, I don't I have a problem paying, you know, a grand for a flagship phone. Much, much less. More. Right. So. So there's like, you know, the Swiss are the.

3:47 The phone is becoming like the Swiss army knife of tech. Yeah. And has been for some time. I mean, you can even run machine learning models, obviously. So it's crazy. You could probably get to the point where it's like, got a projector. You know, they do have ones that have them really great. Yeah. So like you know eventually the technology would be there.

4:10 But I can I can picture it like, you know, maybe like a little projector or you wear like some glasses that augmented reality is your screen. Right. And so you basically are carrying around this really powerful computer mini computer. And the interfacing is like completely different than what we're used to now. Right. Like basically AR is your, your screen, you know, first of all.

4:39 And then two like you just type in air or, you know, in any surface or maybe even, you know, and think about it. Think about it. Yeah. The, you know, maybe an external Neuralink type thing that, you know, just kind of sits on your head. Yeah. Then then it's like, you know, we're eye tracking. They could do I tracking.

5:03 Yeah. I think, or, you know, like the, gestures. Yeah. Like, everything is a gesture based, like Minority Report. All these, like, virtual screens popping up, right? You just sift through them, or, you know, it may be convenient, depending on the application, to do any of those. Yeah. I mean, you know, if because with AR, you could add an affordance to something that doesn't exist, but, you know, you see that thing and you're like, okay, I do this and then, you know, it turns into whatever.

5:43 For sure. Yeah. It's like, you know, movies and stuff have really pushed the idea of, like, these, these interfaces of the future might look like. Yeah. But I think the really the future is going to be all like, I don't think virtual reality is where it's at. I think people really need a are application. It was, you know, one trick pony, but they could have kept updating it.

6:07 Yeah. It was basically this, wine brand 19 crimes. They had like a Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart, wine combo. Okay. And, Summer thought it would be hilarious to get that for one of her friends. Gotcha. Well.

6:30 We're ready. She got it for of her friends. And, it was kind of funny that the way, the the way it worked.

6:43 You could you scan two QR codes proving that you have each of the bottles of wine? Right. Okay. Yeah. You set the bottles of wine adjacent to each other in particular way. As soon as the AR app detected the pattern. And they were just right. It would. They would. The two bottles were overlaid with animations of Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart talking to each other.

7:14 Okay. And, they, they had, like, all these different conversations for probably like a half an hour. What the hell? Some random shit, dude. And what I'm saying, it's, like infinitely extensible. They could keep doing that. They could just keep adding content if people like it. Yeah. I've seen some of these new, completely simulated videos to lately.

7:43 Whereas, like, the people in it aren't real. They're all just computer generated. Yeah, just deep fake tech things. Yeah. Deep faked. And, like, not only that, but they're completely imaginary character, like the computer just invented them. Right. Got it. So this person never existed? Yes. And, they're all like, Giga Chad, you know, all the guys and the girls are all like, beauty, you know, whatever meets our current standard of absolute beauty.

8:08 Yeah. So it's like this party of people and they're hanging out, interacting, you know, laughing, toasting each other with drinks and whatnot. And they're all, like, gorgeous, you know? Like, everyone looks great. Right, right. And it got me thinking, like, you know, it won't be long to where, you know, a very large number of people will be enamored by completely fictitious, artificially generated.

8:35 You know, comes to mind to me for two is we may never have quote unquote old movies anymore. They can always keep them up to date. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they can always keep them up to date with fashion trends that can keep them up to date with, you know, product placement, whatever. Yeah. The, you take an old movie and just overlay it with new trends.

8:54 Yeah. Kind of thing. New trends, you know, new fashion. You wouldn't need you wouldn't need extras at a certain point. Yeah. Right. Gotcha. Yeah, I can totally see that. But but I was just thinking, like, how, you know, you know, how, like, the classic thing, like, people will get, like, obsessed with celebrity or whatever, you know? And I could just imagine, like, this army of computer generated, beautiful people with great personalities, you know, and real humans, like falling in love, right?

9:31 Or being completely enamored with these just complete fake personas. I didn't read it, but I saw a headline the other day of a guy who's a girlfriend made him delete his a little pocket anime AI that he had paid for. Okay, she made it. He was. He had married her. Oh, man. And, it paid for and made him delete it.

10:03 You know, it's weird because it's it's it's really not that far fetched because, like, the early inklings of being enamored with somebody and falling in love is is the idea of that person anyway. Yeah. Like, you know, it's the fantasy idea of nice thing about the AI, if for ever, maintains that ideal. Right. It could. And for sure, you know it.

10:26 It could forever be this snapshot of the person you are by. Yeah. And then you know and changes as you change. Yeah. Good, good. But but it's so interesting because I like initial phases of, you know, kind of getting to know someone to falling in love with them is like this whole fantasy about who they are versus way different from who they really are.

10:48 You know, that same idea carries on to their services. Now, where all of that episode of Black Mirror. Not as good, but you can pay to have someone basically encapsulated voice wise in your phone who died. You could call them. Jeez, I thought about that before. Like, you know, if you have enough data about who someone was, you know, as far as, like video of them and lots of photos and images of them and whatnot.

11:24 You can we can pile. Yeah. And this article was pretty much just a voice based AI. And she got that company. The lady who wrote the article got the company to interview her parents who were still alive. Gotcha. But turned them into these AI. Right, right. So when they pass, she can still interact with. Well, no, it was demo it basically.

11:46 Oh, compare it with the real person because they were still alive. Gotcha, gotcha. And she said she ended up having heartfelt conversations with her father to the point where she was crying as this AI. Oh, geez. And her, she found out things when talking to the AI that her father had never told her, but she verified with her dad because he was answering in-depth interview questions and they used those who support her.

12:15 Sure. And then once you have enough, you know, data compiled on somebody, you can profile the personality type enough to predict with a high degree of probability what they would say, right, or what they would do. Or what if I say may proffer in a given situation? Sure. And yeah, she said, you know, there were some cracks, but for the most part she was thoroughly impressed and she would have been satisfied with it to help her get closure.

12:39 Oh, sure. Like, you could, you could come up with like, the tonality and the, you know, general vocabulary of somebody and their mannerisms, even their body language. Right. You could you could simulate all that, and that technology would just get to the point where it would be, you know, non discernible between the real and the Black Mirror episode.

12:59 The, the person went from just the on the phone to paying for an upgrade where they got a body nice and a person and that person, though it hit the uncanny valley, hit the part where, you know, they were like, you're not. You're too real. Yeah. You know, and they ended up having a kid with the person, but walking them in the attic and only letting them out on their birthday.

13:32 Oh, it's so weird. And this AI person lived his life eternally as one age being forever shun. And and the very embodiment of this person's loss and locked away forever. Oh my gosh. So, so strange and so emotionally deranged. It was, you know, I had this, like, bizarre. I was talking to Sue about it. I had this bizarre idea about, you know, like, I'm kind of, like, into the idea of cremation.

14:06 You know, someone dies and shit if I died. Yeah. Like, Well, actually, I'm more like, in the idea of throwing my body out and let the what? The birds pick me cleans, I think. Yeah. Let me let me go right back into the system. Yeah, I'm kind of like into that, but that's not really practical, right? There's these other cultures do a version of it don't they.

14:26 Yeah. I'll think of like how cool it would be to like be up in the Himalayas and they throw you out and he's like, you know, right. These birds of prey come down and just pick you clean and you're, you're amongst them. This just bone pile, you know, that's been used for thousands of years to dispose of bodies.

14:41 Yeah, it'd be super awesome. And it kind of alludes to what elephants do. You know, they go to these areas where they they make a pilgrimage to die. Yeah. Then they die. Among all of their fellow elephant bones. Yes. It's like a ritualistic, like, ending. Yeah, that's kind of cool to think of animals doing that shit. But my idea was that, you know, you know, these, like, mausoleums or whatever they're called, they have, like, I think down in, like New Orleans and Mexico and stuff.

15:14 They have these, what are they called, these little, like, graves where you go in there and it's so hot and and moist that you decay, like, really rapidly. Okay. You know, and then it's an above ground tomb because they're they're below sea level pretty much. Yeah. It might be mausoleum or something. Yeah. I think Mazel. Liam. Is it?

15:33 Yeah. So I had this idea where, And they also have the ones where they store the herds, you know. Right. The little in the little slots. Yeah. So, you know, that becomes your, your your grave site. Yeah. And your family can come and they'll take out your urn, you know, specifically, right? It's like a safe deposit box.

15:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, really? For sure. And, you know, it's so much more compact and saves land and resources compared to, you know, burials. Yep. But, you know, cremation is the ultimate. You just Ashton in a box that your family loses some day in the trash or something. Right. So. Or maybe the new puppy accidentally eats or.

16:15 Yeah. Or your third generation removed just says that's not useful anymore and finds a way to get rid of it. Right. Right. Which is all fine, you know? No problem. Like, what is. What does it mean to you? Not. I've always liked the idea of just putting me in a cardboard box and burying me under a tree, or planting a tree on top of me.

16:34 Yeah. So, you know, I like that, too. I've heard of this, too. Like this little, capsule they can put you in. Yeah. It's like a mushroom suit. That's one of them. Right. And there's another one where it's literally like your organic, self provides the nutrients to grow the tree. That's cool. Yeah. So it's like a pod, and you bury the pod and then, you know, shit grows there.

16:56 Oh. That's awesome. All intentional. Yeah. You know, but when, my idea was to have, like, you know, you can pretty much encapsulate anything in a lot going on. Red and green there. Yeah. You know how, like, you can pretty much encapsulate anything with acrylic? Yeah. Like epoxy resin type stuff. Yeah. Well, you know, they, they, you know, do it with animals now all the time.

17:21 They're small animals can be easily, you know, you've seen insects. I mean, that's really common. Insects and scorpions and stuff encapsulated in this plastic, right? They're like mimicking it being encapsulated in amber. Right, right. Right, right. Well, sinking like that for for a person. And, you can just be like, almost. But instead of, like, carbonite, you know, so the Han in carbonite, you're yourself in acrylic.

17:47 I idea I want to be, like, embalmed and honey like Alexander the Great's. Would it be? That's what they call it? That'd be pretty cool. It would be sweet. So, anyway, I had this idea that, you know, you get basically, like, parked in this big library, like books, you know, and these on these arrays of, you know, shelving and your particular book, you know, your body encapsulated is just stored, right?

18:16 Just like a book on a shelf. And when your family comes to see you, they put it in the code for your ID and it grabs you from the list, and the little mechanical arm brings you down into the presentation booth. Yeah. And the whole thing opens up. And then you have the AI, the, the, the AR projecting holographic.

18:33 Right. Your facial expressions and your movements. Yeah. So not only not only can you, like, visit the body, you can interact just like we're talking about with this other, you know. Yeah. Mimicking the personality. Talk to somebody. So like, as the ultimate, kind of like gravesite, if you will. Like a totally new way to do, you know, graves and you can imagine, like, a few thousand people or a few hundred thousand people all lined up in this thing, and then you could even do, like, a death day presentation.

19:04 Anything. Right? Right. Anything at that point, you know, and so you go about, you know, years in advance capturing someone's likeness, image, personality, you know, like preserve them at whatever point they want to be preserved. Say they did it at 35. Even even better. Right. And then, you know, then maybe even if you've done enough of it over the years, you could have your family could go in and dial in what era of you they want to interact with that day.

19:31 Right? Yeah. It's like, hey, I want to see grandpa at 27. Yeah. I mean, for these purposes, the body wouldn't really matter at that point. But you could do the same thing without the body. But the idea of, like, you know, the body being preserved literally indefinitely, and he kind of the same. You probably had packages similar to, like, buying a family plot.

19:52 You buy, you know, the family package for, you know, preservation of personality. Yeah. And I also thought about, kind of drifting from the search a little bit, but I thought about, like, you know, if I were to die, how cool would it be if I set up some kind of persistent server, you know, service where every day and emailed my family, you know, some inspirational quote, you know, or something that I thought of from my from my archives.

20:20 Yeah. Yeah. Like, not maybe that daily might be a little creepy, but, daily and also monthly. Yeah, daily might also get a little, you know, it's kind of like it might get a little fatiguing. Yeah. Or just they just set up an email rule where it just goes to trash. Right. Right. Well, they appeared in a folder, and then they forget about it.

20:40 Yeah. Right. Well, whatever the no interval would be that I got, I got it. Not only is there an interval, but there's a certain randomness. Yeah. Hey. At least once a month. But what day? Don't know. Gotcha. I could get two in a row or almost two months span before you get. Yeah. Gotcha. But it averages out to 30 days.

21:06 Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, I like it. But, you know, I figured that would be something really unique. Is that you set up way in advance. You spend some real time, you know, setting up, like, these things that you want to say, you know. Yeah. And, the person then gets them over time, you know, once you pass, they get this, like, kind of elaborate message, but they get it over the course of a long time.

21:31 So it's like a story that keeps unfolding. So it's like you've serialized something, but you've also included aphorisms, bits of wisdom, you know, whatever you want to communicate, whatever distilled experience you want to be. Yeah, exactly. Or, you know, you could kind of look at this from another perspective to and say, this is just another form of arrogance, you know, as if it's if you're if you're meaning and likeness and purpose matters to be you're be worth preserving, bending the bounds of time and space, right, as opposed to others.

22:06 Right. There's a certain interesting thing about death, and that is like making way for for new, right? Yeah, yeah. Like and so and that is what you and I are both acknowledging when we're talking about the mushroom suit or planting the pod or the tree on top of you or whatever, we're making the way for the new using the old to create the new.

22:27 Yeah. And maybe, like in your death, your your ideology shouldn't be push. Maybe it should be pull. Like, you know, you've had that shit that you wrote or the videos that are recorded or the podcast that you immortalized. Yeah. And, you know, that's what if your family association is to want to hear you, they can they can go and pull that right versus it being push on.

22:49 Building is so ugly. And that made it even work. Yeah. I'm sorry. No it's fine. So you're right. It's it should be. I think that's it. I think it should be pulled, but maybe with little encouragement to pull to remember, you know. So pull. But with every so often a push reminder that the that that you couldn't pull.

23:10 Yeah yeah yeah. Like a a push reminder with a preview. Like an RSS feed with an unread count type thing. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's not too intrusive, I guess. Right. And it also allows one to grieve at their own pace rather than perennially opening up that wound. Yeah. Then you have the other end of the spectrum, which would be like obnoxious push.

23:39 Like they can't get away from you no matter what. You have layers of redundancy. You know, you've got like multiple cloud deployments. Oh yeah. You know, you've got that one triggers the other. So like when one is fully ignored or otherwise goes offline, the next one kicks in. Oh God. It's coming from all these different, you know, SMS servers it's coming from.

23:59 Yeah, you name it. And it's like adaptive. So like even as new technologies come forward, you know, it migrates. Oh, God. So I'm talking about troll forever the the the endless troll and be incredible. This service is called infinite troll.

24:18 The cost is everything that you have. Yeah. Like when you die. So all the stuff you would have been buried with as a jackass. We want it, right? That's right. We liquidate it, and that becomes the payment for the service, right? It's like you will everything in your will go so right with, with with a with a minimum entry level at one mill.

24:40 Right. 1.5 at 1.5. I'm much more comfortable with that.

24:48 So like you persistently and endlessly troll, you know, up to X number of people you know, at your full convenience indefinitely. I love it. Yeah. That's great. And we basically set up these like, trust that continue to make money. Yes yes yes yes. So. Right. So the company is solvent forever and the trolling is solving forever as well.

25:17 All paid for by an endowment. Yeah, exactly. We call it the well endowment.

25:27 I love it, right. It's definitely well endowed. Yeah. You get something? That's the joke. That's a joke. You get it? Get it? Exactly. Yeah. So, Yeah, when we start this company. Yeah, these people on their deathbed, like, you know, father, you know, I know. Wow. You know, it's okay. You can let go, right? Or whatever. You know, it's like deathbed type thing.

25:55 And the old dude is just like.

26:00 It's like he's lost his mind. Why is he laughing? He's like, you have no idea what's coming. It's like, you know, he knows. Five minutes after he shuffles off this mortal coil, the server spent the job on, the server goes live. Yep. Hell, yeah. So he's like, in this, like, you know, rigor mortis. Smile. Yeah, yeah. Like this.

26:23 This, shit eating grin is like, rigor mortis lasted across his face. Yeah, like, that's the final image that this just evil troll rictus plastered across his face. I love it. It's like, the the the smile says, if if you could translate it into words is you haven't seen the last of eight.

26:50 Oh, man. And then the endowment kicks in again. I feel like this is this is the equivalent of investing in a vice. You know, it's like this has to make money. There's, definitely people that would sign up. There's certain personality types that'd be like, hell yeah, right. And, you know, with the whole adaptive service type thing, it's like you don't necessarily just have to troll your family as a gag.

27:17 You can, like, troll the world, troll your. Yeah, the world. But I was thinking, like, your worst enemy, you know? Right. So the service is called Last Laugh.

27:29 I, I also think, I think we could launch integer a bunch of different things depending on what you wanted to do last laugh or you know, certain things. Infinite troll. If you want an internet presence forever, right? Yeah. You basically are the, the resurrection of that AI that being just racist to everything else, which is hilarious. It's so funny.

27:58 So, for listeners that don't know what we're talking about, Microsoft released an AI called KTAY, and, I think it was like for Chan or something that, internet people got Ahold of it and gave it some training data and it well, they just interacted with it. And within days it started to, regurgitate and reiterate all the nonsense.

28:23 They bet it was. It became racist. It became Nazi. Nazi? Yeah. Hitler had some good ideas, you know, just tweeting shit like that. Yep. And it had to they had to take it down. Trump 2020. Yeah. But this is even before all that right. No I think it was Trump. Trump I don't know maybe maybe maybe not. Maybe it's I don't know who knows but doesn't know.

28:48 It was a long the same vein. Yeah. The point is, is it turned into a mega troll, right. Yep. It turned into a alt right mega troll real real quick. Which is which is really interesting because, you know, is there there's got to be such a thing as an all all left mega troll there seems like maybe for some reason the alt right mega troll is much more potent well than the alt left Mega troll, and which is really interesting to consider.

29:17 Well, I feel like I've theologically, one side's ideas are much more caustic. Yeah. Isn't that interesting though, is it? Is like why though, you know. Well, yeah. I mean, you have an out left mega troll. They're like, man, I really wish everyone had, the food and shelter something. I mean, trolling for for socialism, I think. Yeah.

29:48 I mean, like, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Text the rich, right? Yeah. Versus versus the alt right, which is like, you know, everyone that's not white is, you know, not born in America is, you know, toxic to our economy or something needs to die, should be scrubbed from this earth. I wouldn't go that far.

30:07 My AI might go that far. That's what I'm trying to say. We'll see what's extreme. Stupid version of their ideology you could create. I don't know, that's what. That's what has been triggered and why the alt right troll would be so much more off, you know, attention grabbing than the alt left. Because of course the AI is going to go if the A size troll, it's going to show in the most potent way possible.

30:30 Maybe we maybe. You know, I experiment with seeing if we can make alt left trolls and see what kind of impact they have on their little social sphere. Things like, you know, there should be there should be mandatory, interbreeding between races to reduce racism. It's like. Right. Yeah. It's like it's like free front Fridays if you're a different color.

31:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if, you know, withholding your sperm is is racist. Yeah. Right, right. Well, okay. Something crazy if you're an elite, you know, person with amazing ideals and pedigree. Yeah, you're. If you're not LGBTQ, you're automatically, you know, evil person, you know? Right? You're immoral. If you are, you should be donating to a sperm bank to populate the world with your right.

31:32 It's the only way we'll move past this. So. Right? Right. Yeah. Wipe it out now. Now I'm really interested in thinking of derivatives of like, the most social crazy of that. Yeah, the craziest, most extreme alt left version of a troll. You know possible like, you know, you know, really, all you have to do is just go on most social media and you'll find it.

31:56 Yeah, but, I mean, I've never seen I guess I've never seen that instead of alt left troll. That's interesting. But I have seen what I feel like is the near final evolved form of alt right troll. So here you go. What do you what do you think of? Like if somebody links you to a YouTube video or something, like a friend of yours and they deem you this video link, let's say, and this video link, is somebody talking about something controversial, you know, whatever.

32:25 They have their opinions, maybe highly articulate. Okay. And, the comments are disabled. What would the comments disabled? What does that immediately make you say? It makes me think that someone doesn't want they're not inviting dialog. They're not wanting someone to criticize or engage. They're just wanting a platform to spew. That's what I think, too. But, there might be things that are so, okay, let's say for sake, you were you had an argument that was like, scientifically based on all the best evidence we have.

33:02 Factually true, but wildly unpopular. Okay. So, like the common logic. Yeah. So, like the common belief of this thing in the public vernacular, right, is one thing. But then the scientific evidence to get something else. Right, but that's something else is going to cause all the people that are kind of like, you know, just in the public realm are going to be like, oh my God, you're an asshole.

33:28 You're an idiot, you know, just flame the hell out of you because they don't like your information. Right? So, you know that that could be like, maybe the edge case for having the comments be, you know, not available. Yeah, but still, at the same time, you know, I don't know, I think the comments disabled, even if they're going to be all flaming you, like it loses all legitimacy.

33:56 Yeah. I kind of look at it this way. Why the hell do you need disabled comments? Just don't fucking look at them. Oh, if you're the creator. Yeah, like, can you do not have the intestinal fortitude and willpower to just not look at them? Yeah. Or maybe maybe the comments like you can, you can view as like also also you're I guess maybe you could do it as like inevitably crowding out your information.

34:18 Sure. Because 95 plus percent of the comments are telling you, saying you're an idiot and going against your message and maybe you are an idiot. You may be, you know, maybe you are presenting things wrong because you could be true veracity and science could be on your side, but your presentation could be the most unpalatable and unapproachable. Yeah.

34:45 You know, like this other this way of, like, winning an argument is where you just exhaust the enemy like exhaust. Your opponent shouldn't say enemy opponent. Yeah, right. Like where? But that's the mentality. They are. Enemy. Yeah. So, I'm bringing this up because this happened recently. A friend of mine said to me a video that was, quite long, and there was this guy that was extremely articulate and like credibly good presenter.

35:10 He been doing it for years and years. You know, I was talking about, Young Earth. It was it was a Christian theological. It was anti-evolution anti, you know, you know, all this kind of stuff. Sure. Right. And, the on face value, you know, if I didn't have the background that I have, you would. It'd be very compelling and convincing.

35:32 Right. Gotcha, gotcha. And, it's so you'd have to be steeped in me, in an understanding of it, and to really be able to counter some of his arguments effectively and to say, you know, hey, here's the whole. Yeah, in order in order to counter the arguments because he's so articulate and so convincing, and he goes from one thing to the next to the next so fast.

35:54 Right, right. You have to like he doesn't give you that pause to process. Yeah. And you have to slow it down and take piece by piece, bit by bit. If you're going to create a comprehensive, you know, rebuttal. Yeah. If you want a cogent argument that's really going to address each of his points. So my synopsis of this guy was basically like kind of my summary was that what you have here is this guy who's extremely articulate, very charismatic, great voice, wonderful speaker, you know, very, very upright and confident, you know, and everything he's saying.

36:28 Sure. Really is the best of breed arguments for his his chosen position. Yeah. Really skillful at using certain words and key moments that are extremely misleading. But you won't see them that way if, if you're if you're not looking for it that way and, you know, really so in my Manning anti Bible warned you about that the the devil with the silver tongue who quotes the Bible.

36:58 It's kind of what this guy was, right. And you know, so I, I, I thoroughly enjoyed it because of how articulate. I mean, I was so impressed. Right. Like, I wish I could speak so well, you know, type thing. But then I kind of got a disturbed feeling because, you know, this guys out there. Yeah. I mean, this guy has, like, an emotional pull on me, right?

37:27 Right. I mean, what he does to people who are kind of inclined toward his department, right? That already kind of looking for information, looking. They're seeking that information. Yeah. Right. To edify or to solidify their views. Yeah. Yeah. So in that context, oh my gosh. So powerful. And then it's like this guy's tantamount to a cult leader. You're saying I would say okay.

37:50 I mean, I mean, cult leader as far as, like, subscribing to a certain narrative, you know, and lead people audio logically and, you know, a push, push and further a movement sort of thing. Possibly. Yeah. But I think the movement is by my book. By my books. Got it, got it. What it is. That's a good enough cult.

38:16 Yeah. It's a cult of cult of capitalism. Right. Yeah. But anyway, so. So, you know, I started to just take some time to break down the arguments and to, to solidify why, you know, it's completely incorrectly saying. And then I just said, forget it. I'm not gonna take one more time. And, you know, the the person that sent me the video, I just replied really quickly.

38:41 It's like, you know, there's, you'd have to really take your time because there's so much there. Yes. And what it came across to me as a person with. So I think he also believes what he's saying, which is it's which makes it even more powerful. Right? Yeah. And, so that force of conviction carries a lot. I it really does.

39:06 And, what it seems like is a guy that's extremely intelligent. Okay. Like, definitely. No doubt about it. Way upper IQ, right? Sure. No doubt about it. Okay. Has learned a really good presentation style. Learn how to present. You can tell it's polished, right? Right. And then on top of that, has found a career out of it.

39:29 Right. So that's right. And best interest on multiple fronts to have all these skills in this presentation. Right. And is a completely the poster child for confirmation bias, a victim of confirmation bias or has no problem being extremely deceptive. I in this day and age, I'm going to go with the second the ladder rather than the formal. Well, yeah, since I don't like his message, that's what I want to believe.

39:59 But to give him the benefit of the doubt, you know, let's just say this person has just been really imaginative at at taking facts and information that he encounters and tying it into his narrative. Right, right. Like like I said, poster child for confirmation bias. Right? Right. And, if that's the case, then, but I think that the latter is probably true, especially when you see things like the comment section being right.

40:27 So it's like, no, you can't rebut me, you know. Yeah. I won't even allow you to rebut me. Yeah. Which means that, you know, one of two things. He's like, oh, it's the sinners, the evil sinners that are, you know, this is just Satan trying to combat me. Exactly. And, you know, he's like, the whole earth is 6000 years old.

40:49 And all this, all that happy Satan hid the dinosaur bones in the soil to tempt us. Yeah. Or whatever. Right. So. Yeah. Anyway, I said I raised that experience. Kind of tell you about that experience recently because I was really, really compelled. Like, I was thinking, you know, wow, there's so much power here, you know, in the potential of, you know, and if you could turn that guy into the opposite force, what would happen?

41:21 Yeah. And then, you know, the opposite force is like, you know, we're asking for is there for yourself? Yeah. But you know, how how how good is that? Because when people think for themselves, they think, you know, next thing you know, they're anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, you know. Well, I don't think that's the inevitable conclusion. You know, you're assuming that most people are rational and that most people are articulate or educated and, you know, they have the possibility to be.

41:53 And I like to give them the chance to be. So when, when you and maybe the social scaffolding to encourage them to be rational. Yeah. The measure by which someone makes money from YouTube is just a measure of how many people view the content. Not not the not the quality of the truth, the truthfulness. Right? Right. And so just the nature of the medium, the nature of the medium alone puts it incentive for, you know, radical content, because the algorithm is geared to the same.

42:26 It's it tries to hook you on ever more extreme content. So you're on this train, you're going to keep going. Yeah. So you go in there looking, you know, looking for like, you know, a case against Biden and end up with like, deep conspiracy about Hunter Biden's laptop. You know, like, oh, he's a reptilian and he's all right.

42:46 Like behind the vaccine, which is you partnered with Bill gates and and it's the mark of the beast and. Yeah. Yeah. Burisma, the beast be Burisma, you know, etc., you know, and, you know, doing the meetup groups and stuff over time, I've really come across some really great people. I'm sure they say about that girl I think I did with the girl that was like calling me up like 5:00 in the morning.

43:14 It's like it's happening. It's happening. Wait. What's happening? It's happening. You're going to see it in the sky today. Oh, wow. Like, what the fuck? What's going to happen? Tell me. You'll find out. Wow. What the hell? Just like. Lady, you realize I'm married? I'm in bed. Like. Like cryptic oracle shit. Yeah, right. It's like, right over the course of, like, maybe a month, you know?

43:42 Not every day, but like, this intermittent, you know, like. Dude. Yeah, man.

43:50 Yeah. That was that was kind of kind of creepy. Yeah, I don't know, even though what happened to her, but. Wow. Well, at least she's not texting you. Yeah. You know, and there's that fine line, you know, like, dang, do I just, you know, tell this person you're crazy. Leave me alone. Never call me again and block the number.

44:15 Whatever. Or do you, like, have this for her to help them out of that? Right, right, right. There's this, like, paradox, you know, and it's like, second. Barely for one. Can you help? Well, I qualified, right? Right. No, not at not at that level, at least. Right. You know, because you've probably encountered people where they're like their immune to rationale at some point.

44:44 Right. The other if it means right word. But they're all they seem. It almost seems that way. Then it almost seems like they built up these layers of protection against it. Yeah. And then, I don't want to name her, but there's this other female that was like a, in a relationship with a good friend of mine.

45:03 And, she was got into all kinds of mess. Right. All kinds of drugs and blah, blah, blah. See, that's that's it right there. That just that makes things way worse. The drugs. She was a pot head that then started to say, like, you know, not enough that thing and got into a bunch of stuff that was waste and who knows what.

45:24 Right. Well, she's over the house and, freaking out, dude. Like, majorly what? I remember you talking about her and, you know, asking us if we can help. Yeah. Right, right. Right, right. So, anyway, you know, she ended up being committed for a while, and she's still out there floating right now to this day. Right, dude? And, she calls from time to time, and, you know, she she never calls me when she's whacked out or whatever.

45:55 Right. That's good. Yeah, but for a while there, it was like, Didn't you have a kid? Yeah. Still has a kid. Yeah. Okay, well, the kid's not with her kids. With the dad. Now, that's what I'm asking. Oh, you're right. Right? Right. Yeah. No, she's she's, Yeah. Which is best, right? Yes, absolutely. But anyway, my my point of all this is like, you know, there's there's only so much you can do.

46:24 And then at the same time, it's like you just wish from time to time, like you could pause your life and reach out a hand and really help pull somebody up. Right. You know, but, you know, at the at the end of the day, what resources do you have? Right. And then and the ones you do have that are extra and unallocated, it's like, can you afford to put them toward this situation?

46:50 Yeah. And and you know, without knowing the outcome, you might not be getting much bang for your buck. Yeah. You might be throwing good money. Good time. Good energy after bad. Which is why, you know, into somebody instead of instead of the old model of the community helps and props up. I really have a Kate. We put greater, more intelligent, more incisive social programs in place using the data we have available.

47:22 Yeah, and I don't know if this is going to get me in trouble for saying it out, but it's worth saying it's like if she wasn't a young, attractive female, she would have fallen on her fucking face hard. Yeah. Like, if that was a dude and, you know, nobody would help. All things considered. Right. It was her charisma.

47:44 Like, got her so much, That I don't think would have come anyway. Like, would would have come any other way. Right. She's been afforded opportunities and chances no one else wanted to give it. You're saying, in my opinion, no. Like, I mean, people went to the, you know, went to the moon for her. She still didn't grab on to it.

48:08 Yeah. And I'm on to what they were doing. Yeah. And then, you know, you fall back on this idea, which is really terrible. And I never like to go here, but it's like they're they're choosing it at that point. They are though. And and that's a at a certain point, I hate to say it, but I've been there.

48:26 And you have to respect the choice the person made and make yourself, you know, where to more or less available and say, hey, when you want to stop doing that, right. I'm here. Right. Yeah. As long as they don't say I stopped doing that. And then you give them a bed for the let them couch there for the night and wake up morning.

48:46 No, you're you're gone. Yeah. The TV, the TV's gone. Right. Next box. Whatever. Yeah. Whatever's of value. Yeah. Yeah, but it's just interesting. It's like this, you know, if there was a way to know. Like if there's some kind of way to, like saying, if you put the effort into this person, it's going to pay out for them big time.

49:06 Yeah. And if there was a way to know that, it would just be so, so useful. That's the thing. It comes down to faith. And then it does. Right? Yeah. And, you know, must not be what's not be pretend. Everyone's resources, whether it be time, money, energy, commitment, emotional energy, etc., is limitation. Everybody there's there's everybody can matter who you are.

49:29 I mean, you know, Bill gates is all of those things have been extended and all of those things have been enriched where he's not under the same limitations we are, but he still has finite limits. Sure. So in our, you know, even even temporal. Right. So like, yeah, not being immortal and not being on has its limitations. Sure.

49:53 So there's only so much time, energy, resource, etc. you could throw into somebody despite what you wish. Right. And, I wasn't overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly compelled to throw a large amount of resources that this person, but I wish I could have done something to help. Sure, I didn't, I, I did everything I could to be. He did. So, you know.

50:11 Yeah, I did, I tried and, and I, I think you can. I mean, it's hard to let go of the, the guilt there, but I don't think I think you can not necessarily carry it because. Oh, no, I don't have any guilt or I don't have any guilt. It's not guilt. It's just like, wish that I could have done.

50:33 Yeah. You know, had the, intelligence and the resources to, to navigate that. Did you just the right thing. Yeah. That would have that would have worked right to get through to make it all work, to fix it. Yeah. It's also another weird thing too, is like, there's there's this potentiality in people that I think that others have a sense for.

50:52 And when and when you see potential in somebody, I think you're more willing to, extend more or I think it's I think it's the twin things of faith, belief and that potentially seeing that potentiality. Yeah. Because in some people you can just see you as a person. See this spark, you pull this thing you either want to know or this thing you want to encourage and you know it.

51:18 Yeah. So if you take away charisma and you take away this potentiality, right. There's like people are way less inclined to try to give resource to help you. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. And just this.

51:33 He's got.

51:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not killer. You'll have that. You would say yeah we're over guy. Right? Right. He's got this charisma and he's got this openness and positivity that he just wears this cloak around it, you know? Yeah, yeah. And so he's kind of found his armor since I was saying. Yeah. In his charisma. Yeah. And, you know, he, it lets him kind of just float above it, you know, it lets him just kind of reclined on the divine couch, and then you see the potential from that charisma, you can see that, wow, this guy had another path.

52:12 Maybe this potential would have been right. It makes you want to say, yeah, you can move, my lord. Yes. You know, and you'll throw in extra 20 bucks. Yeah, exactly. And then he floats along to the next thing. Yeah. Sounds good. I'm freezing, so I'm jumping around.