Deep Fakes & The Future of Reality
In this episode of Positively Pedestrian, we discuss the cultural, social, and individual implications of how Deep Fake and related technologies threaten reality itself. Virtual, augmented, mixed, and other emerging realities may soon be capable of creating a blurred line between digital and analog reality and what that might mean for society. We also look at the USA government as a Kleptocracy, or otherwise a collection of industrial complexes that creates financial socialism for the ultra-wealthy and brutal free-market capitalism for everyone else. Perhaps it is time for a long-needed counterculture to emerge to help transition us toward a human industrial complex, one that puts people over profit and helps transition government power away from the Kleptocrats and back to We The People.
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Cool. So here we are. Episode three, I guess. Call it third time. And our third cast. Yep. And I got to turn off my jeeps. Cool. So, today's topic is deepfakes and the future of reality. What reality might even be like? What is the future fate of reality? As we know. And, right now, it's looking like a grim looking.
Pretty grim. And what's possible with technology. Okay, I'm recording, and so it looks like we have some kind of future that may be a little dystopian. So, yeah, and we're walking around a safer and more quiet area than normal. Have ward action. I haven't slipped yet. Yeah. Yep. There. The ice has been long gone in this area, let's say.
Yeah. There's probably I mean, there's there's probably like a sewer pipe. It's close enough to the surface to have melted the ice here because no one doing winter maintenance up in this bitch.
I saw a meme the other day. It says you have your one, when you have your one Yankee transplant in the neighborhood, and everything was just everything was just snowed in, and nobody even touched any of the snow, like, didn't even clean off their cars. It's just this, like, white blanket over everything. Then there's this one that the camera pans, and there's one house where the car has been cleared off.
The driveway has been shoveled for. It's like this when you know you have a Yankee transplant, your neighbor. It's pretty funny. Yeah, because I mean, as a rule, down here, we're just woefully unprepared and don't know what to do. From the government on down. Yeah. This knows. And it's just crisis. Yeah. It's like everybody's getting milk, eggs and bread to make French toast in the snow, I guess.
I don't know, right? Right. It's funny too, because my uncle was a little scared, and he was a transplant originally from the up north as well. But they lived in Florida for years, and so they got kind of okay, you know, into that. So, Florida where 60 degrees is cold. Yeah. And so they had like the, afternoon showers and some pretty heavy thunderstorms and that concentrate to the hurricane and whatnot.
So they got a little weary about, you know, extreme weather. And now it's a little older, which is fair to a little more scared about things, you know, paranoid about weather conditions. And so my uncle was like, really keen on getting his generator working because, hadn't been started in like six years yet. And so, this guy that worked on my property, they, happens to do small engine repair.
Yeah. So I actually drove down to his place is, like, 30 minutes away, and, took my uncle's generator and asked him to get it working for me. Cool. Paid him some cash, and, Yeah. So when we had the first snowstorm, my uncle had a generator as piece of mine, you know, back up. Awesome. Yeah. So it was like,
Yeah. And then I was thinking, if power did go out, shit, we might end up all over there, huddled around a little space heater. Really? That because, you know, the power goes out where we had no source of heat? I mean, it's a backstop for everybody, really. You know, for you guys, all. We good to go? Yeah. So I thought of it at first is a little paranoid, but then I was thinking the second day early.
Well, we might be going people in the neighborhood to have some kind of hot heat. Very nice. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Right. Hell. So it worked out anyway. So this deep fake idea, like augmented reality and reality being discernible from, you know, what's fake was real. Not really having a a tool or a way naturally to tell.
Right. It's kind of like this feature I was thinking about, and work on countermeasures. We could do. Yeah. You know, hammer all that shit. So, as it stands right now, if you think about it, we already know. We kind of know from CGI and what was in movies and stuff, you know, what kind of technology is possible?
You know, we see that and, you know, high profile organizations like MIT have gone through and done things like create a fake speech from Nixon. Yeah, yeah. You know, like layer from Star Wars was just completely fabricated, installed, deep faked. Oh, yeah. And some people that, like movie actors or whatever, they that will die in filming or they're like, complete the film by just, you know, CGI and faking them.
And then I think one of the first ones that I knew about that they had done that was the crew. Yeah. And that was a while back. That was a long time ago. So the technology obviously getting better, better. And so what we see was like everything else, you know, eventually that kind of technology can will trickle down to mainstream, you know, like perhaps not too far in the future.
You can just say, you know, hey, Alexa, or you know, hey, Siri, hey, Google, make me a video of that guy right there, but make him look like Tom cruise. Yeah, right. Right. The phone just does it. And so in real time, you're capturing someone in his deepfakes, you know, fully with someone else's image that you decide and someone makes an app for that shit, you know?
So ultimately, we have to assume that's the ultimate destination of the technology that it's going to be beyond easy, right? Just on demand, if you will. Yeah. And you know, there's going to be multiple avenues to achieve the same effect. Yeah. Whether it be updated reality, virtual reality or, content creation. And so really our only choice here is to authenticate somehow.
Yeah, yeah. That and, we need some kind of existing or new infrastructure to do that. Yeah. So we'll get to that. And, just this kind of first, like, facsimile, you know, of, of reality that we can kind of overlay. So you can imagine, like some bizarre applications, for example, like eliminate, eliminate homeless from your field of view.
Yeah. Like, so if the morning. Yeah. More. Right. Are you so, you know, you can imagine wearing some kind of glasses that have some projection technology and so like, you can just literally, you know, have homeless people with, like, rocks or, you know, mailbox. Right, right. And so, like, you don't have to then suffer the burden when you, when you traverse, you know, walking around downtown, you have to suffer the emotional hit of, like, feeling bad about homeless people.
Instead, you see pink mailboxes everywhere. Yeah, sure. Why not? Well, and then, you know, also to like kind of mentioned before is like getting ugly people is just like your, you know, little augmented overlay just eliminates it's like he takes away, you know, just a by default beautify filter. He can crank it up, you can crank it down.
You could turn everybody into fucking pterodactyls. Who knows? I'm like the shallow hell version of of, a new a new society. Yeah. Exactly where you've deep faked away, what you consider to be average. It's, it's kind of scary, like, it's a blurred line. So then you get into, like, the matrix stuff and you say, like, you know, is.
Is it just our future? Just just not mentioned reality. And that's just something we need to deal with. And, you know, things just being artificial or is that is that kind of the reality that we're looking for in the future or, is there going to be like a social revolution to this kind of stealth and saying, no, you know, reality needs to be needs to be an element in human existence, in human life.
And, I mean, I would argue that, you know, sure, in some ways, we already groom our reality in that where we choose to live, we we choose to associate with all of those things. But this just it brings it to another level where it takes you out of place and a time you could, you could deep fake your way into, Victorian salon.
Yeah. You know, you could. Yeah. Like a holodeck. And then we're talking like holodeck and Star Trek that. Yeah, absolutely. And, I only saw one episode where they mentioned how addiction. So that's an I wonder. Well, here we go. You know, there's definitely a component to deep thinking that could be, you know, highly addictive. Highly addictive. Right.
And then, you know, what does that look like and how do you tweak that. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's bizarre. So I guess it's a good time to talk about like countermeasures. Like how might we, you know, steer away from this in the future. Besides, besides, like, a cultural shift, you know, where people say, you know, I don't want this is bullshit.
Besides that, you know, how can technology come to the rescue? You know, how how do we know that the video, it's Tom Cruise's and Tom cruise? You know, in. Of course, we touched on this before we started recording, but, you know, my first idea and I think you were kind of saying something similar, was we do something like we do with key signing parties for GPG to begin with being one factor, you have the authentication of peers, so to speak.
So I know this person is who they are, and I, I signed their key. Sure. So that so we kind of can can take care of like you know, a video shot that was intended. So like, you have a video camera recording crew that which is certified with the subject that this video is now authenticated and it's got a key associated with it so that consumers of that can then sort and say, only show me certified videos.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's one countermeasure that that's one layer, right. And then, you know, and I'm sure just like we have verified Twitter accounts now, I'm sure these services that are going to be used for posting content in the future, we'll have an authentication layer, two verified content of all kinds video, audio, even even even text.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. So like you basically have put your thumbprint on, you put your mark on that, that text even. Yeah. Yeah. And but like you said, it goes deeper than just this digital authentication or this key signing party or this verification brought by a service. You you're saying, you mentioned biometrics, right? Yeah. Something you are, something you something you have and something, you know.
So a biometric component, right? Combined with a key card, some type of authenticating object. Yeah. You have our chip or something. Right? Right. And then finally a password or Pin, you know, all those working in concert as a minimum level verification. Right. You have those three things present. You can create a pretty high confidence score. That is that person.
Yes. You know, the biometric ensures that the other two things can't be spoofed. The other two things, you know, ensure that the other the biometric, because we're not going to be able to say, yeah, say, Grimes, you one must actually decides, you know, she wanted to do a deepfake of herself looking like, you know, Diana Ross or something.
You know, we can't believe what we see. She's doing this on alert, but she could verify the content. She could say, yeah, I did this. Yeah. Oh, that's a twist. Verifying the fake. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. This is really me. This is the state that I. Yeah, I posted this fake. Interesting. Say so you have the deepfake potentiality of this kind of head of state thing.
So, you know, you can imagine, nefarious use or weaponization of this technology where all of a sudden some head of some foreign state, there's a video produced by DARPA or, you know, some some American, let's say, intelligence. Yeah, sure goes somewhere else. Yeah. Creates this deepfake of Putin saying, you know, we're invading Ukraine right now or whatever you want to wherever you want, right?
Right. Putin saying, you know, he, like he seriously enjoys his time writing shirt with some horses. Yeah. Kim Kim Jong IL sexy. Yeah, yeah. Or whatever it may be, you know, to to, undermine whatever authority or brand he's built. Yeah. And what defense would there be for that? I don't see one right now, you know, like right beside the other opponents day to say no, that's not true.
Right. You know, then then you get into any, any kind of propaganda or any kind of overlay of video content, you know, then falls, falls victim to that same thing in this is that this may help dilute the power of propaganda that we've had a problem with for hundreds of years. And then you kind of have the flip side of the coin, like the liar's, dividend where so, like there's so much deepfake and so much for in this information in the world.
And people are so used to the, the quantity and, you know, so many things being false that something that is real, you know, that somebody didn't got caught doing can just turn around and say, oh, that's just deepfake, all right. That's not real. That I wasn't even there wasn't me. Yeah, yeah. When you had the well and the video evidence is clear that it was right.
Yeah. I mean, I'm going to go ahead and call that the shaggy defense that may date me. Yeah. But yeah, you know, it wasn't me. Yeah.
That song is down in my head. Thanks. Wasn't me. Yeah. We're gonna we're going to have to overlay that under the. Yeah. And the audio track. Yeah. Yeah. How much can we sample for fair use, I wonder? Yeah. None. None. It's like we'd have to provide commentary. You know, if you provide commentary, if it's in satire, it's very useful.
Well, it's in satire of the late. Yeah. Yeah. So it's it. Yeah. So they change the words like kind of Weird Al style. Yeah. And so I like political conversation. Wasn't me like the the perfect Trump right. Yeah. Oh.
Yeah. Yeah it did cited a it wasn't me. Oh is it. Oh my god. Oh that makes me too happy. They said read the transcript. Wasn't me.
Right. It a chick named Stormy Daniels, wasn't it? And he grabbed him by the pussy, wasn't he? It was, you know, on and on. And it was so many. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think we could probably do, like, an hour long song. Yeah. We're done. That's today's. Yeah, yeah, this is what we're doing is making lyrics to there wasn't Meat on there, Shaggy Trump song Shaggy Trump full of racist.
That's awesome. And the deepfake the whole thing. So he's doing his stupid little dance. Yeah. And and his lips are moving to the to the lyrics that we invent. Right. And put in his voice. Oh, man. Oh, my gosh, if it isn't in time and resources, how much fun we get now, that would be amazing. So I mean, that's what I'm saying that definitely celebrities, content creators, they're going to be putting themselves they're going to be doing deepfakes themselves, sir.
You know sure. Because it's what fun. Yeah. And, you know, the whole photoshopped with imagery has been, you know, bestowed upon us for years now. Society has more or less adjusted to that. Yeah, there's a pretty there's still effects. There's still negative effects like body image issues with young girls. Right. And, you know, Ralph Lauren having a ad that is impossible.
Proportions like the model couldn't have actually stood up if. Yeah, she was alive. Right. Right, right. Yeah. It's like the why you can't have a, 500ft, ants. Right? Because there's no way at that scale the legs can support that mass. Right? There we go. So you have this, like, Photoshop image that just physics and and and, some biometric calculations so that that, that human being couldn't exist.
Yeah, exactly. But there it is. Yeah. It's like and you know, maybe also that could be another layer where we have built into platforms a, you know, all right. Right now to detect malware or malicious things. We do, we can do a functional analysis real quick of a program. Sir, sir. Well, should we also, in essence, do that?
What's on the screen? What's there, what's how, you know. Yeah. It doesn't meet these signatures of improbable reality. Sure. That's good I yeah. So there's another, maybe, maybe taffy out. There's like, we'll say that, you have kind of this, this interplay of a dozen different, deepfake detection algorithms. Right, sir? That are awesome at what they do.
Yeah. And so as deepfake technology becomes, you know, more and more into our refugees arms race starts. Yeah, the arms race starts, and you have a dozen or so tools that the social media platforms are using that, that you could employ yourselves as well. Yeah, they're open source. You can use them as well that maybe they become core part of the OS.
So you can use it as a filter built. Yeah, yeah, etc.. Be right there. Available on command line. Is it something to train the media input and output through. Exactly. And then you get that kind of going. You have this, you have this new dilemma, this new situation. Then that is if a deepfake is good enough to bypass it by that, it now has additional credibility as it gets brought forward.
Right? Right. If it's if it's just the Wild West, anything can be faked, then all things are equal, right? Let's see if if it passes through this filter and it gets through and it isn't deepfake. Oh, then you definitely have this problem with all of a sudden bunch of people thinking that's real because it's past there, because it's like, you know, it past, you know, semantics, reality filter.
Right? Right. And so then that can create its own new problem. Yeah, yeah. And then too, you can have, this, this whole idea of almost like non-fungible tokens associated with every content. Right? You can get you start to get saturated with that as well. And so, you know, like, for example, some celebrity. So putting their mark on everything to then get more of their selves into the market share.
Right. And then they find ways to shortcut that. And then those shortcuts are exploited by third party. And that's, you know, you're right back in the same situation now there's half the content is out there, has the mark on it. Oh what notification. Because that's been automated you say yeah. Try to create volume in the market space to stay relevant.
You stop out there more. It makes sense is so you know you're you're leveraging whatever whatever as popular as a day, you know, an NFT, a, all those things we can get paid on. But basically saturating the market with your uniqueness. Yeah. Not sharing the market. And and, you know, even bad news is good news. So you even have, like, oh, you know, oh, somebody somebody stole my key.
You know, my key got stolen by this bad actor, even though it really didn't either work on the other side of this novel. Oh, that's cool, even though somebody didn't, just because that raises the profile of that person, you know, for the moment, you know, so like to, to a lot of people getting in the news cycle and being having their name, you know, relevant on social media and, you know, constantly circulating is currency is a form of currency, right?
Was it is undeniably so. But it is because now your name is in the vernacular. Yeah. Is is relevant again in the common, you know. Yeah. You know, your name is on people's wallets, so to speak. So here we go with the like the deepfake arms race being exploited, leverage in that way too. Right. So like, a celebrity could leverage both sides of that game, if you will, you know, to try to make themselves.
Oh, yeah, they could. It's just another three. They could be their own, a one person PR department, both negative and positive, create that churn. Exactly. Yeah. Just like just like they do know the porn tapes, right? Like, oh, my God, there's a porn tape. Oh, that's like, I certainly didn't know that somebody filmed me acting like I was having an orgasm.
Oh, yeah. And, you know, somebody leaked it. Yeah, someone. And I'm going to find out who it was. I'm so suitably outraged. Oh my goodness. I've hired these, my team of lawyers and investigators to find out how that how that got leaked. And I'm like of know how it got leaked. You hit submit. Yeah, exactly. No pun intended.
And the nice thing is, maybe if we do fully developed a this ecosystem, we'll have, you know, device fingerprints on things. We'll have a chain of custody. Possibly. Yeah. I mean, those things are great. Does the chain of custody inevitably erode privacy, though, to the point where it does and thereby you're going to have the equivalent of like a burner phone or burner contact greater thing that isn't tied to this ecosystem.
Yeah. And then that whole thing, can be costly all the way through, up and down the whole entire chain makes, you know, you know, privacy wholesale is eroded because all that data can just be aggregated. And yeah, you know, we talked about privacy not existing. Now in a system like that has no hope. It that's it's very last gasp right.
Right. Yeah. So maybe that's new. That's just the future reality. And people need to learn to adjust to it is that you know privacy is well definitely eroded. It might be that hey, if you are a content creator then you sacrifice some measure of privacy there. Well there again, we have problems that we've run across like okay, stupid example, but now dead rapper name Pop Smoke.
This dude, he had just gotten his first check. He was celebrating one of his buddies. They had Airbnb this place. Yeah. His buddy posted a picture of it. There was enough information for people to figure out where the hell he was. People ran up in there, robbed me, killed him, got down. So that's one picture. Wow. So you gotta you gotta know about metadata.
I suppose, or what? We're. Well, well, here's what data is in the books. It was in the picture. Was it metadata? Yeah it was. They were able to tell from the picture the address or something. I'm not sure what.
So let's go get them. And that's what happened. You look at them. Does he. I need to know when to pop smoke. You know, you know. Yeah. Damn the sad. Yeah, but you know. Sure. Surely there's plenty of people out there that have similar things to somebody that's like the let the bad counselor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, supposedly, you know, what's his name?
That the cocky six nine wonderful fellow right there? There was he's been found and beaten by his former gang multiple time. Oh my goodness. So I guess, you know, gang members have a heart. You're going to have a hard time in this new dystopian future. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've heard, like, you know, some some family goes on vacation and they're posting pictures and some jackass robs them because they know you know that.
They know they're out of town. I've heard of that. I don't have any firsthand accounts, but me. It's it's, you know, that urban legend level. Yeah. Right. Right. Like waking up in the bathtub with your kidneys out and, like, metabolizing your kidneys packed in ice. There's a little note saying, call 911.
And it's like they get you wake up, you got a couple of antibiotics in your fist and and notices. Call 911. Yeah. Yeah. That's it's like a you're from yourself like at one point in your life repeating that shit. Like actually saying one of these urban legends. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so like, makes some kind of point, right.
And then later on, as you get older and wiser, you're like, why I was such an idiot. Why did I speak? Like, why did I talk like that? Right. You know, and sometimes, you know, you feel like you use it. You're using it to holy it completely construct your point. Exactly. And it but it works. They work their way in it.
It is. Yeah. An insidious sort of thing along the lines of, yeah, you know, lady misinformation. Yeah. What do you when you walk into your car in the parking lot at night, make sure there's no one underneath your car that's going to slice your Achilles tendon. And right there, you know, it's like, right. I heard that one, you know, for women to be really cautious, or the, you know, thieves or put a bottle on your car tires so that whatever, so they'll hear you start the car and move forth.
Hey, you know, what does that do now? How does that works? Apparently, I don't know. You would hear the crunch and the thief would then box. You in or otherwise impede your progress. I see sounds down to me. So what was the original idea like? The person gets out of the car to see what's happened. Is that the boy?
Possibly. Okay, so they would get out. As they hear the sound, they hear something crunch under their tire, they get out and then they get robbed. All right, so why couldn't they rob you when you were getting in the car? Yeah, right. Well, now your keys are in your car and you can't have a place between your fingers as a weapon.
Oh. That's it. So they're really just popping up this week in your position. Yes. These are your, your your rate whistle and your mace that you would never have at the ready anyway are now dangling under keychain inside your car. And that's that's why that's why I'm there cackling maniacally about is because they manipulate it. You handle it.
Yeah. This totally reminds me of like a post you see on Facebook like, hey everybody, the advice you throw. Yeah, this, this horrible, like, terrorist scenario that I just made up, you know, you got to be wary of that. People, you know, and then it goes viral and everybody's like sharing micro, you know, fear almost, you know, one, one, one click share at a time, you know, right, right.
It's I mean, it's like those, what you call it. The old school chain letters just amped up. Yeah, I like the ones that involve a dollar bill. Oh, yeah. If you go get on top of that pyramid. Morning, you get on top of that pyramid and it works. You're in good shape, right? You think it ever has work?
Sure. Of course it wouldn't. Wouldn't have happened a million times if it didn't work. If somebody didn't make it work. Right. There's there's a funny do like, get rich scheme. You know, you say like, you know, send a dollar in an envelope to this address and I will send you back the secret to making a tremendous amount of money guaranteed promise 100%.
Right. I promise it will work. And, you know, not only do I promise it, but you can do the same thing to do it yourself, right? And you get these people that bite and like, it's just the dollar. What do I have to lose? Right, right. So you find that you write down the address, put it on an envelope, put a beach cape around it so you can't see this money, send it off and you're like, yes, please tell me the secret.
And then for the price of a postage stamp, the person sends back, well, all you have to do is tell they will send you a dollar, for some kind of secret of how to make money, and you and a bunch of idiots will send you dollars there. Yeah, and. But that's assuming you're close the loop. It's legit that.
Yeah, that's how you deliver what you promise, right? You gave them an idea on how they can make money. Yep, yep. So side hustle as they move into passive income. I love that. Yeah. Well, apparently all you gotta do is make a something on SoundCloud. Well, that's the crazy thing. I do not always make that much money. I really can, but he's a hitman in a handful of Asian countries.
Only. Only in today's world. Yeah. That's, when you take that to the extreme, it's kind of disheartening. Like, it's disheartening that you can have a Jay-Z. Yeah, it's like, you know, you know, what was it? Well, the whole thing when my dad, like, fully unveiled it the other day doing. Yeah. The he he's like don't tell Tristen.
You know, it's my longest brother from family one. You know because you know they're making music too. But he will never achieve a comparable level success. Oh I see, so you know he does want to start up the jealousy factor or something like that. Well, Tristan wouldn't be fucking jealous anyway. Oh, I see, but you know that Hollywood.
Yeah. You know, he's like, don't tell him. Yeah. It's like you got to be one petty ass motherfucker. Yeah, right. Do you like I hate my brother because he's a SoundCloud EDM guy. Was he, electronic dance music? Oh, no. It's nice. Okay, I could I should have done that shit. I should've done that. You probably must. I must be, like, increasingly out of touch as they get.
I think you probably did. Note. So, you know, this, this vector, the. That's the topic at hand. We can imagine, for a while before, like some kind of really decent countermeasure that that works is put into place the level of misinformation through technology that's going on, which is what we already see anyway. But. Right, you know, we can imagine the level of misinformation that is going to be out there in the ether.
It's kind of like hindsight at this point because it's there now. It's it's already happening. Yeah. I mean, we've had propaganda machines run by governments for eons. Sure. But now this is a whole nother layer. I mean, yeah, you're talking about every little idiosyncratic, you know, point point of white, right? Subject to any given, you know, number of misinformation.
And we're not there yet. We know that. But we'll probably a lot closer than we think. We. Well, from what I understand, Facebook news is the largest place where people get their news now. And Facebook is also now also, known as being one of the highest spreaders of the misinformation. Right. And yeah, you know, from what we can gather, it's done on purpose.
Yes, absolutely. It's on purpose. And there's, you know, agents and actors in foreign countries or even for well, I'm saying the platform itself is almost encouraging said fact. Sure. And a lot of this information travels from, direct messaging. So like this spreads virally amongst direct messages. So you don't see it like, posting on it's kind of invisible that way.
Yeah. But I've already received from, you know, a lot of my associates, I've received all kinds of misinformation. Yeah. And so I'm trying to be a friend and and like in the house. Hey, cool. This was designed by, the same people who did, the, Biltmore House. And, it's got a lot of similar touches to.
Okay, listening. It's, pretty cool. Restaurant. Oh, it's a restaurant. Okay. Yeah. So, anyway, so a lot of this content can spread direct message. So I have this one friend of mine that's falls for all. These are the scam, right? I don't like, all of these these these Palestinian children are really suffering. They're starving because they're under the the, you know, oppressive regime.
Brutal regime. Yeah. And like, look, look at these pictures type thing. Can you please send me money to feed my kids? And, you know, it's somebody in France running you a proxy through India, which is then running through Pakistan, which is then running through, you know, Palestine, right? Right. And you're sending money inevitably to you. But the rank and file are not going to be able to send it out such a thing at this point in time.
Well, you're right at this point in time, because it's just common everyday people that are compassionate and have a heart that are good people getting scammed left and right by, you know, and this is another funny wrinkle to this is like you can say, oh, well, in a way it's a victimless, victimless crime because the person feels feels like they've done something good by sending off their money.
Sure, so long as they continue to believe it. But I would put it in the same category as say, political machine or law trumped, going ahead and by default, checking boxes like make this a recurring donation. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, that's that's a whole nother that's a whole nother deep topic right there. But but I guess what I'm saying is I feel like it's the same level of fraud.
Yeah, definitely. So you know, here in the it's not because you're taking money from someone you've.
Doesn't have the acumen to combat your bullshit. Yeah. And then you get into the idea of like, is that is that acceptable? Right. You know, it's not it's not your fault that a sucker is born every minute. So no, but you should you really should be penalized for taking advantage of that said sucker. In my personal opinion, I couldn't agree more.
Right? And I would love to create the, network, the teams that go to crushing people. I would love that. Oh hell yeah. Well, so there's interesting wrinkles to this, I think. And that is like, let's say you have a friend that's, send money off to kids in Palestine, right? Let's just say, let's just say. And they've now send us some of, let's say, $2,500 or something over a couple of years, which is a significant amount.
So, I mean, specially for older people on a fixed income and all that risk was this move they're targeting. Right. And so they're telling you about this and they're saying to you, oh, hey, you know, I've been I've been helping these people out. Is there anything that you could do. Oh now it started for me right? I this is all true story.
I won't I won't use names because of obvious reasons, but, this this female, she's vegan, right? She's older. She's not really that tech savvy, but she does get on Facebook and does use. Right? Yeah. Jesus's and somebody friended her and told her a sob story about what's happening. And then she opened up her purse and started sending money right.
Same thing happened to my girlfriend's aunt. Yeah, we could probably say same thing happened to in in certain very large number of people here, right? Yeah. So, what happened was she sent forwarded me the information and said, you know, can you please help me help them? You know? And so, I quickly looked through the information and all of us.
Oh, almost right away, I was like, oh my gosh, this is 100% a scam, right? Yeah. And so just the tone, the feel of it, all of those things. Yeah. It didn't pass the smell test. I mean, it was like, smell like a rotten, fruitful, rotten me in your basement. Yeah. And so, if you experience. Yeah.
Right. At this, I use the anecdote right. So, you know, this all now in hindsight. And so I take the time to really, really, really in detail explain to her why and how this is a scam and how the scam works. Yeah. And why that she should never send money again and and even saying I'll be happy ever to any, any time in the future.
Someone solicits you like this. I'll be happy to help you determine whether it's true or what they're again, you're telling her this thing you've invested yourself in emotionally, emotionally, and and monetarily. Yeah. And so, so there was close back. Right. So, you know, it's like that shock I don't want she she doesn't want to believe it. She, she already has has, you know, like you said, emotionally, monetarily and then even rationally committed herself to this idea that this is real.
Yeah. And so then kind of letting the cat out of the bag is a shock. But then this is the rub. At the end of the day, you become then the emotion attached to that emotion as your friendship, like so your friendship is now tainted with the fact that you were the one that brought the bad news. If you were.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. And in essence, a lot of people would then villainize you. That's what I'm getting. You are the one. It was in the wrong. We could not this person who wants me to give and be open and kind. Exactly, exactly. And so rationally, the person can say, oh my gosh, my friend is really come to my eight year right lot, but then emotionally harbor this kind of like resentment because the emotional damage that the pain does if they get that far, most people would not in my opinion.
Yeah, most people would just immediately have a visceral reaction. Say, you're wrong, I'm right. Right. This is a good cause. Fuck you. Right? Maybe even maybe even cancel it. Right? We're like, drop you out of your friend. And all I had done, you're finished. And then maybe behind your back, say, yeah, he doesn't like to help people. He's grieving selfishly.
Yeah. Who knows? So tie that back into the Deep Six. That's a whole deeper realm for these kind of things. Because how many people have committed themselves to a false narrative, you know, through a conspiracy theory or a series of misinformation, right? Millions upon millions, yes. And have actually committed to that point of view. Right. Yeah. So then have some technology come out and say, you know, this is this is right.
We for an instant rejection of that technology, you know, the technology of the very reason that we're saying it on an individual level. Exactly isn't getting a lot of penetration on a societal level. It doesn't gain penetration easier because it's brooking up against this wall. Right, right. That people have created. Right. So the government has tried to step in to some, some extent under the deep paradigm.
There's been a couple of acts proposed and a few have gotten through Congress in the House talking about like, penalties for certain types of deepfakes, like revenge porn, you know, like you do a porn and you put girlfriend's face on the, on the, on the the person in the porn. Yeah. And then you release it on the internet.
Same thing. Yeah. With her name on it. Or actual revenge porn sites. Yeah. Some. Some really? Yeah. Some really nasty, you know, compromised sexual thing. You got your ex-girlfriend's face deep faked into the porn actress's face, right? Right. And so then anybody that knows her would be like, oh, my God, look what she did, you know? But there's there's some laws now and then.
Also relate to child child porn, this deepfake technology been used there to Jesus. And you think about that and then you have the whole using deepfake technology to satisfy, fetishes that have been outlawed. Right, right. And then you have, another kind of derivative of that too, which is like the sock puppet approach, which is. So the deepfake technology created a whole entire creating the entire effect, signaling.
So like the person that's in there is not even a real person. And it was completely scripted actions. It's completely yeah. You know, it's a custom deepfake. Hey, I want to see, you know, Joe DiMaggio do this or I don't see whatever. Yeah. See. Exactly. And so you can have this, like, illegal content that, like, child pornography, you know, being generated from, an AI and deep learning analysis of similar material.
Right. And then going through and training and fabrication. So there is no child, there is no adult actually sodomizing, you know, or harming the child. Yeah. It's not the whole thing is fake. Right. Then that content is put out. Who's the victim. So Nambla is totally going to be jumping on this. And they have an already hell system.
So you know, that creates another wrinkle because you know, realistically if, if, if it comes with a, a mark on it, let's say, I mean, mark is defines it as a phase, right, right. Is that just, somebody's fantasy being created in a in and in pixels, right. Because who's the victim? There's no person there, right? There's no real person now here.
Looks like it sure looks like there is. Yeah. And now we're getting into what you can argue is a victimless crime. But you could also say it may contribute to further front. Yeah, but this was a hypothetical. So that one might stand up. So. Right. We're not in we don't live in the world of Minority Report thank God.
Yeah. And it's still you can argue it's still an image of a child being, you know, rather clearly an underage non consenting child. You know, put in this compromised position. And so you can still then say it's still child porn. Right. But then really quickly you get this blurred line. Well, what if it was just cartoon characters or what if it's just stick figures, you know, or or what if it's just an abstract idea?
Like, what if it's just me talking about it right now by me talking about it right now, am I indirectly it some child porn, you know? God forbid. I hope not, but you know, you can start to once you get that blurred line, I'm saying. Yeah, right. I mean you end up with a classification problem. Yeah. You end up with a, and you end up with a, you know, it's like classifying it.
Okay. So we've classify it as this. What do we do with it? What penalties are associated with the duration and perpetuation of it. Right. Right. It's a big it's a big issue. So China has now enacted legislation that if you have a deepfake it has to be indicated in the video. So it has to be explicitly called out correct.
And so that's one of their, measures that they've put in place for that. And I mean, they have the mechanisms to enforce it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's an interesting kind of paradigm. You know, he's like, well is it really freedom to be fair to buffet of misinformation. Is that really, really the like what is it the one that one of the high functions of freedom.
Well, there again, you know, we get back to, it's basically the matrix light, you know? Yeah. Like. Yeah, yeah. You decided to live with this filter bubble, right? Well, and you decided to have income only for you. Maybe you might not know, like. Right, right. I'm saying, you know, one side of the spectrum is to say is full on decision.
Sure, sure. The other side of the spectrum is your country curating, creating this, like, say, it's a totally totalitarian regime. Maybe you want to do. Yeah. So you have this, filter bias, right? Somebody sees a flat Earth video for the first time and oh my God, that's so, so compelling. They're like, wow, that's really interesting. I never thought of that before.
We get in the rabbit hole, start going down that rabbit hole, and next thing you know, they watch 100 videos on flat earth. And, you know, they start thinking that everybody around them is a globe tard and all this shit they're going to set to term. Well, I just learned something today. Yeah, they're getting a low tard. Yeah.
The funniest thing is like, yeah, please come to the third annual, Flat Earth, global conference. Yeah. Which is hilarious. It's so. But anyway, anyway, I digress, I really do. Okay, here, let's make a pact right now that if you're able and there are low earth, venues to rent, like conference rooms and such, we will create a flat earth convention in space.
And space. And of course, every window is just a projector. That's just projecting the faults. Right? We're really still on Earth. We're just seeing that we're just in a spinning chamber. Yep, yep. And you know, I really think we should, alternate between reality and deepfake with that. That's like, nice first couple I randomly switch between the two.
Yeah. Oh, wait, it's a black. Oh, wait. It's, It's a set of disks stacked upon a turtle. Wait. It's. Oh, with a little, hard drive. Had it. Yeah, yeah, but just a little bit. All kinds of crazy shit. Oh, one. That's fun. Yeah. So, you know, this idea of creating this complete sock puppet, you know, fabrications and putting people in all kinds of, like, snuff videos and, you know, with the argument of saying that, hey, you know, it's all just safe.
So therefore, you know, nope. Nobody's really. And you see already in, you know, in video games, gratuitous violence that it's just outrageously over the top. You do and it's lies because it's under the, it's under the umbrella of everybody knows it's fake, right. And so once you start getting into this really blurred line, you can say, well, everybody knows that there's so much fake information, fake video out there, right.
That any video then becomes fine because, you know, there's a there's a default assumption that it's phony. Right. So it's again part of that liar's dividend. It comes back in that way in a, in a really negative but really positive for the people creating the false. Yeah. Right. So the people creating the false so much false content and everybody get what they want.
Because then the default becomes everyone should know that all the content on this level of distrust that they hide behind and they use to great effect. Right. So so then like the individual can become really broken amongst their, their, their social network because there can then be a commonly held belief amongst people. That's wrong. Okay. And then you doing your best to try to go out there and make that right.
You go, you're doing your due diligence. You care about your friends, you care about their sense of reality and you see them being victimized by misinformation. Right. And so you then exhaustively go out and really do every little research to bullet proof, prove to them that that this isn't real, right? Yeah. And then like I discussed a little earlier, it brings back to that then feeling that you've just burst that bubble, you're the guy that burst the bubble, right?
And so there again, you know, you may be villainized ostracized and, painted for that. There you go. And so then you can then become a social pariah just because you're in, in the, in the realm of truth. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like so there's plenty of opinions right now. Common opinions widely held, you know, in certain peer groups that are that are scientifically wrong.
Right. But they're still belief system that you would be chastised if you tried to disrupt. Yeah. See what I'm saying. Right. And so there's a there's a penalty if you will, that's exists already in society and will increase in the future as the technology becomes more and more prevalent. Right. There's, there's a, there's a cost that we're going to have to pay if we want to be in the, in the, in the domain of truth.
That's crazytown. And, you know, you see what I'm saying? It's not only a cost of social, but it's a cost, maintaining tools, maintaining practices, maintaining, you know, a, healthy dose of skepticism. There's an investment of time, effort and energy that previously didn't have to be outlay. Right. It was just consuming content. Right. And so then think about, like, from the educational standpoint, what what the school system should be doing to prepare young minds and young learners for entering into this wild, wild west of enjoying reality and misinformation.
They couldn't prepare people for life 100 years ago. They sure certainly can't do it now. So we're getting into this new domain where to arm the citizens with a certain amount of, you know, baseline tools to help them navigate this future brave new world that you carry around in your brain, and ones that you employ otherwise that are technological because what you're fighting is technological fraud.
It's amazing. Here we go back to the same old paradigm. We keep using technology to solve the problems created by technology. Right. And so maybe technology isn't the answer. Maybe the answer is to to say I understand. The truth is, I understand this to be true because there's, you know, there's this data that I can so I can know this is true, that the disinformation stream is riddled with misinformation.
Right. Like, for example, I'm sure you're pretty confident that Fox News is not a decent, reliable source of qualified. Well, yeah, that would be argued by many peer groups that that is merely my opinion and stance. Fair enough. But I'm saying between us, like, yeah, oh yeah, I'm making a, I'm making and I'm just gonna declare right now, you know what?
Fox News, so but you're under the impression like that a lot of information that comes through that medium is yeah, it's changing, it's twisted. It's not playing. Right. Opinion, you know, shoveled in news early is they're creating a narrative. Right. So they're not they're they're shoveling opinion like you said, they're not trafficking in facts or reality. They're not really manufactured, showing you real news.
They're creating a worldview or perpetuating it. There you go. So so that being said, right. You and I agree that that would be something that we would tune out of and say, yeah, well, so start applying that kind of same idea, broad scale. So as soon as a, information stream is known to be, a certain percentage is of misinformation and bad information, right?
Just fucking tune out. So instead of trying to find the technology to filter right, just do the anti-technology approach and just say, fuck it. I don't need to be constantly bombarded there. Again, you've got to have the tools and we need to shut it off. So the thing, you know, have the mental certainty to identify. Okay. Sure. To begin with.
Yeah. Fair enough. But what I'm saying is like, default counter measure, right? A low level analog solution to the problem. Oh, yeah, but it's to shut off the visual. But. Yeah, but, a, you still end up with an education problem that you got to get the bulk of people to that level where they can acknowledge that all the sources available to them aren't on an equal playing.
Fair enough. And you know what percentage of the population is there? I don't know, I don't think it's very I fucking like hopefully way more percentage the new and I think yeah, that's just wishful thinking because Fox News is the is the number one syndicated on on primetime. Is it really. Yeah. It's fucking terrible. And don't forget the derivatives zero.
All right y'all you've heard it here from ever a billionaire buying up all that stupid shit. Shut it down and buying it up to shut it now. Yeah, yeah. There's a conspiracy theory you just created. I know right? Yeah. So. So imagine, like, kind of to just start working on solving this problem. Imagine if like benevolent dictator situation.
Okay. Like so all of a sudden boom okay. So we get a PDF file in place. Yeah. Yeah. So so all of a sudden you're like king of the world. Yeah. And whatever you say happens like you're the final judge. Jury or whatever you say goes, right? And you're benevolent. You're benevolent dictator for life in this situation. There you go, there you go.
Let's do it right when you're taking drugs, that preserves your, aging so that presumably you're going to endure for a super long time, if not forever. Right? Right. I'm, you know, taking the, hey, a special cocktail of gut flora to, Yeah. All right, all right. Yeah, yeah. Everything. Yeah. Well, you have, of course, access to all the resources and best that science has to offer.
So you're not worried about life where you got it. So there's no projected to be 350. Yeah. If you if you make a rich billionaire homeless then and they want to come after you with what resources they can still muster, you're immune to it, right? Oh, so yes, yes. Security. And you have a guarantee of your, of your regardless of your decision.
So you don't have to worry about someone else. Well, you guys can be confident that absolute power will absolutely corrupt me. Let's do this. Okay. So with this thought experiment to kind of shed light on reality, okay. You learn of this idea of deepfakes. And presumably, you know, you want your society to be, sober, intelligent, critical thinking people, right, that have you do they have collectivism in their hearts and happy to have their neighbor messages, their hearts?
All right. Right. We're trying to you're working towards that. We're trying to build a civilization of open minded, open hearted people who want to further the aims of their beautiful. Right. So you have the authority to do anything, right? Really, anything is possible. Do you have the authority to do it? All right. And so you want to protect the citizens of the world from a constant flood of misinformation and fake information through these technology tools?
Yeah, right. Sir. What would you do to do that? How would you actually tamp that down? You know that even with absolute power, it's difficult. You know, if it I would argue it wouldn't even really bring it into the realm of possibility because you've got a regime like, no, no, no, no, no, hold on. Anything is possible.
You can say all computers are outlawed. True. Then every computer smart there again what I'm saying. Yeah, you can say whatever you want. But then you look at the, the cracks in the veneer that happened when you had, Russia's, communistic lock down of its economy. There were all kinds of black market things happening. They didn't sanction.
Levi's made it in. Then you got, you know, China still has to occasionally tamp down many rebellions. Sure. They're not on the level of visibility of them in square, but you've got, you know, them deleting comments, shutting down discussion threads, all these such things. Unsanctioned communication. Yes. So, you know, I think that it's much better if you're a citizen living in a paradigm where you know certain information is being deleted.
You know, the, you know, the game, but what you're playing is a far better position to be in. Because you know what that reality is versus being in the position, like the typical American that is just completely inundated with misinformation and never knowing that. Yeah, right. So like, what paradigm is more dystopian, right? Friday probably to say the not knowing the thing in the grip of benevolent propaganda, so to speak.
Right. And that's where we stand right now. So, you know, you mentioned all that together and you say, wait a minute, morning. You missed all that together. And you say, wait a minute here. You know, it's a high possibility that the wild, wild west of information with a majority of a large amount of it being misinformation, is way more damaging to the health and wellness and psyche and the overall right like life path of that other citizen.
You get into the idea of, well, we're going to create a great firewall, we're going to content filter, we're going to do this. We're going to do that. And you get into the problem of just like I mentioned, you know, people are going to find a way. So I feel like your best bet, but it's not there by default.
I feel like your best bet, if you want to make a true and real change, is not to limit what in power. Yeah, but the problem is, is there's so many angles. There's so many arms of that octopus that you have to let you know power on you. You can't control everything, even if you are, in theory, granted absolute power, people are going to find an end run around whatever strictures, whatever it was, whatever you put in place will be circumvented.
And it's been proven again and again. Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. It will be circumvented. But then you had to the person that went through the process of having to circumvent had to do that. They had to put the energy in to then get. So what I'm trying to say is, I personally think you're better off rolling the dice and empowering an individual rather than restricting morning to so.
So what? Yeah, I think that may may be true for qualified adults, but I don't think for children that are in a state of cognitive and emotional development, that's, that's that's the reality. Like I was like a six year old to be, you know, expected to properly navigate that for me, or not open it or not. You.
And if we're going to do that for a six year old, we should also, I hate to say it, but do it for the older, ailing, aging population. Okay. So we have this like, bookended people in the middle that are that get the unfettered content, right, which is shitty. So but then it is completely reasonable and appropriate to put it in those bookends based on what I just described.
Right. Yet. But but look, but look there. Well, because of the things we mentioned earlier, nobody is going to accept that at the age of 60 I have to submit to filtered content. Sure. So so then therefore no one would say at the age of six they have to either write. So that's fucked up because now you have six year olds being, you know, extremely exposed to it.
Stuff that that terrible term was. Their parents again, are savvy enough to apply technology to to limit and filter. Maybe where's Rhino we pass it earlier. You navigate it. So. Yeah. Do you have any idea where we park? Nope. I'm really moving back to gentrifying the car. That's funny. We perch. We were near Church Street. And you remember that?
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So you can walk down church or you do our best. Yeah. So. Oh, I'll let you do that. I'm not going to pause my video because. Or my audio, because I don't want them multiple files. Remember I was talking about trying to sync up, put the audio files together, you know, like, in the same. Yeah. I wasn't there either.
So to try to, like, avoid problems with that, stream like go the whole. Okay, okay. I'm probably on car. Oh. We're giving your GPS another shot. Sure. Want. Jeeps head southwest on North Church Street toward West sixth Street. It's about a quarter mile to your destination. All right, where are we on? We're on West six. So we're on towards West sixth Street.
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To it, to a chicken? Yeah. Joe, that's this. You know, it's we've, we've attached it all to Mike Tyson's a homing pigeons. Beautiful. So, funny thing. Right? University circle is Vikings are go virtual for this two weeks now. First two weeks of the semester. And then after those two weeks, Basil's on this side, right. Oh, I don't know.
So after those two weeks Covid is now spiking even more. You know, even you can greenway down to the, to the lowest right to, to the to the level to that local community level. Yeah, it's worse now, but then they're going back. So is the original decision stupid or is this one a stupid? I mean, I feel like the secondary decision is based on fatigue.
Sure. But okay. So like, you couldn't you couldn't predict that, like, come on, let's go. Right. And people are fucking moron, myself included. So that's an interesting thing with my daughter lately is that we've we had lately I mean, like over the last year or so is that we've really gotten into this thought experiment about the qualifications of people in general and all these different decision making positions.
And she's really understood that. Wow, there's a lot of incompetent people in positions where we need very confident people. Right, right. But and then adults are just children. They just, you know, go by a different qualifier. You know, for the most part there is real adults, but there's very there's there's even more adult children. Well, yeah, because it's easier to be an adult child.
There you go. It's hard to be a global adult that thinks through things and makes decisions for the collective good. Maybe. But I know that in general, there's a I don't I don't know the I don't know the exact, you know, way to measure and pass out. But from, from my experience, there's a lot of emotionally charged children.
Adult skin. Yes, yes. Yeah. People that are emotionally juvenile, emotionally juvenile, intellectually juvenile, actually, you know, not very well. Could be one of those people. So now and then, the thing is, I think, yeah, the suspect just I think it depends on the top. It. Sure you know. Yeah. So maybe you could be very childlike in one domain and adult and articulate another who know.
Exactly. And I think that's the way we all are some degree. Yeah. You know, part of the human condition, sir. What have you had the most experience in? Yeah, yeah. So back to this, you know, deepfake child porn. Can I say concentration? That's, you know, just facsimile sock puppets. Sock sock puppets, catfish, you know, on steroids.
That. Right domain. Right. Is that, you know, you can imagine for some time, you know, before technology catches up or even is able to be created or legislation somehow catches up and can be applied in a manner if it really be a countermeasure. Until that happens, I think it's pretty clear trajectory where this is going, and that is we're going to be in ever increasingly saturated in misinformation.
Misinformation is here to say for a long time, yes, that's my conclusion. And, you know, that's sad. Is that the reach and power of that misinformation? Hey, we keep going.
The reason our event misinformation, yeah, is, you know, greater than it's ever been. And so it shows no sign of doing anything but getting greater, right? Yeah. Because the cost of production, the cost of the the, you know, the effort and the energy and the capability is increasing to create ever more of the state content. Yeah, right.
Like there's a lot more for for a point of reference. You know, there's a lot more people today that can use Photoshop and could use their current beginnings. Right. And so there's going to be a lot more people in the next ten, 20 years that going trade deep, deep fakes than there was ever in history. Right? Right. So so all we're really facing is that,
Oh my God, that shit pipe stunk like hell. Yeah, that was terrible. Oh, I want real I know, is that, like, punch you in the face saying, holy crap. So anyway, the the evidence is, is quite clear if you ask me that. We're just looking at a future with a tremendous amount more misinformation and deepfake content. You know, that's the future reality I believe we're facing.
Yeah. So to to try to really equip the citizens to the general everyday citizens to actually navigate that properly and cope with that, it's almost it's almost like you didn't have to create a counter culture of like, shut it off mentality, like create a new culture of like getting away from the content. And that's, that's the less time is spent on it, really.
Were concerned too, is rehabilitation, empowerment, refocusing. You know, these these are the things we need to do, but we also need the backs up of technologies right. So I keep increasingly coming to this idea that education is not one of the answers, because the actual breadth of information that someone needs to be able to take in, to navigate the current text of the landscape of reality is so vast, but you can't have an uneducated asshole make a good decision.
You have to be. It's that's the rub, right? So it's got to be what I think we were just coming to was that it needs to be a multi-pronged approach. There isn't a panacea. There is no one. There isn't a motherfucking silver bullet. It's everything. Sir, all the solutions. Okay, so what's the solution? We propose wrap in a right.
Let's say, for argument's sake, that you were to train students like public school students in high school, middle school, high school. You train them to understand finance, how credit cards or how debt works, right? Right. And you train them on how a concrete and finite set of concepts. Sure. You train them on, you know, how fiat currency works, what interest rates are, what, how the Federal Reserve sets in things.
You know, what what what inflation deflation is and how they work in boom starts to start to teach them some things about geopolitics, how certain things work between nations around the world, and how how that affects war and how wars and how it affects finance and economies, the geopolitical landscape, what it means, what it does right now. You train them also to like, handle the psychological effects of exposure to pornography and to clandestine content online right now, expose them to, you know, digital reality, deepfake technology, how it works, how to spot it, how to how to these skeptical.
Okay. Yeah. Now, on top of that, you teach them, you know, how to how to put in general apply logic and critical thinking skills and sound reasoning, okay, etc. now you tend to add them to the political system, every tool that they're going to need, let's just say to get out there in the world and be responsible adults that are the healthy for the future of the country, right?
Let's just say you had that. You now have no time for anything else like arithmetic is gone, reading is gone, writing is gone. Well, you have no time then, for like, there's so much content in I mean, you really even gotten through a percentage of what they need. We're not we're not teach. We're giving them. It's just like any other tools you give somebody, like you said, you give them tools and domains that are relevant for them to operate in, like barter and ideas of finance and understanding of personal finance.
Well, you give them a set of tools that helps them. We through the bullshit. That's all we're doing. We're trying to get people well-honed bullshit detectors. Right. And then we're trying to supplement it with technology like we had said earlier. So what I'm saying is it's a time factor. It's a time and energy limitation. There's a bottleneck of.
But if you create this subculture that supports it, you don't have to timebox this learning. You just have to feed it and and you have to seed it and support it. That's what a school is doing, right? Seeding and supporting skill sets. Well, that's I would argue that's the word. Maybe they should be doing. I don't know if that's really what they are.
Okay. That's what I the that's what I Montessori school mindset does it. Right. Okay. You didn't support the growth of skills. So do you a day in the life of the typical teenager okay. Right now 2020 peer. And what you'll find out is that a majority of their time is spent in Neverland, right. Not not not acquiring or accumulating any skills whatsoever.
That's right. I don't hear not acquiring any skills that we're talking about at all. That is correct. But again, they aren't acquiring skills that we can measure easily. But your exposure to life, your exposure to things, creates skills, understanding, you know, I mean, you're so, so what adult right now you're building something no matter what you do it.
True. That's true. That is true. And what more you practice. I mean, the better you get in it. Yeah. And so what the kids are getting all the practice at today, though, at least from what I. My exposure. You're sure no substantial them around this all. Well yeah. Is what I'm seeing clearly to my, my mind is that kids are practicing how to consume and that's it.
Right. That is like 90%, which I think really makes it more important that we create. I think you came up with the added validation of solution, a subculture that does say, oh, at all. So a culture that does say, evaluate a cell culture that does say think about your, sources of information. Critical. Yeah. It's funny. Last thing we'll say before we jump to this restaurant, is that a point I want to make?
Is that to deliver that okay requires the attention and the and the focus of the adults so much so is is is occupational. So there was like, oh we I, we then have an occupation of selecting activities from mature to give them the actual. And they'd have to have an infant which chest because you know take my daughter skiing I take my kids ski let's say.
But just like anything else, you can't protect them from everything. Of course it's giving them tools. It's giving them, you know, they're going to make mistakes. They're going to fuck up. You gotta go on the person. Make the fucking sense. I did it as a kid. I was into the a Coke, so the same that it's not the same.
It's not. And duty potentially fallout is bigger. There were as many bear traps for you to step in as kick on out. Same with me, right? They weren't many bear traps as there is today, but what I'm saying is intellectually and emotionally. But what I'm saying is we can. Put this the same ways that our parents helped us avoid those nights.
We help the next generation avoid it. But then we have technology as a backstop to we create the filters that we create. The signatures we create, the designing infrastructure, we create all of those things. Then you also fucking say, use your brain. Yeah. The kids, the kids, like they interviewed a whole was the seniors. And you know, I'm probably going to pass this being Greg Lee, but paraphrasing correctly.
But, the essence of what this idea was so they basically surveyed a whole bunch of seniors nice and asked them anonymously and asked them these questions. Right. Like, you know, have have you watched, on a regular basis? Pornography? Oh, gee, wish that you did right. Have you tried drugs? What drugs? If you try, do you wish that you didn't do that?
Right? Okay. And the prevailing sentiment, coming out of the whole thing, from what I'd gathered for this survey study, was that the kids wish it wasn't that weren't they actually where they wish they had? They wish they hadn't been exposed because they feel it really took them down. It really hurt them. I mean, really, really, really negatively attenuated their lives.
And so, when I, when I, when I heard that, I was like, there's like there's like the crying, you know, there's like the cry because they even know that it's bad for them right after like hindsight that right when you're doing it. Oh, so you can get away with it. It's like I would do and you do as a kid, but now it's so potent and powerful, right?
Drugs, the, the, you know, the exposure and the information is so potent and powerful now that it's like it has a toxicology to it. It does. But make sure it. You can't keep this exposure from happening. For the most part. You can't put the societal genie back the bottle. But look you can do is help everyone fail gracefully.
Because if we're going to fail, so. So create it. Turn it off. Culture geek. I tried to write a word or I turned off, but I think that's one thing. Warm peace. It's all about culture. Then the technology, filter it, support that so that you're not doing an occupation. I'm filtering manually. You're you're using your brain, but you're also using the technology that is, you know, to combat the different.
Right? You're using filtering. You're joining communities that maybe help you filter as well. Like, you know, I don't know, give me a church sacrifice one on one reality for no unnecessary basis. No, Jack. That's the on that note on this. On my request. Jesus. That.