0:00 Because they had this bias to believe that they're somehow innately correct. Oh, so like people that go to really impressive fancy schools actually come out thinking they're less vulnerable to misinformation, which then makes them more vulnerable to it? Oh, 100%. That that's exactly how I say what you're saying, because they have a greater confidence in their own in that intellectual stack that lets them determine truth.

0:26 So so are we, like, really well served if we like kind of train kids to be really critical thinkers and also highly skeptical about everything. Would that be like a really good education path? I think so, and that's what we've talked about, like logic, but combined with skepticism, logic and skepticism combined also with a healthy dose of what is the possible.

0:48 Right. Kind of like a razor understanding. Like, you know, the simple solutions are simple. Explanations are usually, you know, probabilistically most likely would be more accurate. But I guess what I'm trying to say is layer on top of that, an idea of like a survey course almost of what? What is the edge of what we can do.

1:09 Right. Like we're not going to be in planning cameras in your eyeballs because we fucking can't. Right, right right right. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Like like okay. So like you wouldn't spend much time with birds aren't real because birds are real. Birds are real. First of all, like, you've probably seen a dead one on the side of the, you know, some point and various forms of decay throughout your life.

1:31 But if we decide that that needs to be a treatment, then we go in our biology class and we go birdwatching. Well, I mean, you know, the, the complexity to make, like a fully mechanical bird that would pass through the bird and have them be like thousands and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of millions of them widespread, everything possible.

1:54 It. Well, you know, I don't know what's possible in the cutting edge, but the to go to that length. Right for like to to do some kind of surveillance on people would be completely absurd when there's like thousands of other better ways like. Right. Easier, more simplified ways that are harder to detect. Yes, yes. Because in this case, all you'd have to do is just capture a bird and you'd have the most complicated machine.

2:19 You know, you'd have the technology of the FBI. The CIA, whatever. See what I'm saying? Right. And they're not going to want that. No, they're not going to want that. And like, this would be, like, the most cutting edge technology ever made. It would. And you look at previously released at least surveillance technology from the 40s 50s. You know, they had made mechanical things that look set that were not even reasonable facsimiles of bugs in there, like Art Deco and like, you know, yeah, all kinds of weirdness.

2:55 Yeah, but they were nothing. And I'm sorry. Anybody who's taken a biology class knows we don't know enough to make a birth. So, so, like, you know, people that kind of are in our social network, kind of spear of influence would ever want to call it. Plenty of those people actually considered the idea of we're in a computer simulation.

3:19 Sure. That's fine. Why is that? You know, that should be just the same as the birds. Well, okay, it's another level, because. All right, we can take we could capture a bird if we. And if we really had to, we could dissect said bird to prove it was a wholly biological item. Sure. Right. We have any person has within the means of their own hands to the, proof joke.

3:51 Had a burden. Proof? It's not a robot. Yeah, that's saying it should. Oh, so. So the computer simulation one has greater solvency or like, like, more possible credibility? Yeah, because it's harder to prove or disprove. Oh, well, then shit. Then. Then the god Terry trumps everything. Because that's the hardest to prove, right? Exactly. But the the whole idea that we're the people that claim that we're living in a computer simulation, I think of them the same as the people that are in the bird compartment department and a flat earthers.

4:21 There's no evidence to think or to believe that we're in a computer simulation. There's no evidence whatsoever. Like, I'm getting down to, like, skepticism one on one, right? Until there's evidence to believe, you don't believe. That's called being a skeptic. Sure. So there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever, zero mill that we're in a computer simulation. Yeah. Okay, well, wait, do you think I.

4:46 I don't have it. Does anybody have any. I mean, of course not. It. Yeah. I you know, I've read a bunch of articles on it and they claim that there's, you know. Oh, it's great clickbait. My God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I haven't. I will at least put it this way. I haven't run across anything that I could easily assimilate and understand and regurgitate.

5:11 That is evidence, because all those articles that I've kind of halfway skimmed over it. Yeah, yeah, they, they didn't seem to bring any bring forth anything that was concrete. They just kind of were like, yeah, simulation, simulation, simulation fun, Yeah. Right, right, right. See, flat earthers are like trying to trying to say, like, you know, do this experiment, you know, let's try to do this science to, you know, say the earth is flat.

5:39 Now that, you know, we laugh at them because, you know, we we know better. You know, we're we're not we're not complete scientific, you know, idiots. But at least they're like going after evidence, you know. Yeah. Well, you want that guy that built his own rocket. Yeah, it crazy managed to fly this rocket several times and not die, then killed himself whenever he built the rocket that went the highest.

6:05 Wow. Oh, I see, I didn't know all that. That's. That's fantastic. It was amazing. I will look it up and send it to you. But he managed to kill himself this last time, and he was like, in his sickness. Dude, I just hear, like, the song Rocket Man by Elton John playing him, like, right now. If if that clip doesn't exist with him doing that, we must make it.

6:27 Burn. And that it's used on over the flatter. Yeah, but yeah, he was trying to get high enough to see the curvature of the earth. So. So they say hit the dome and died. That's what happened. He just went to damn high. It came down way too damn fast and died. Oh, the earth isn't flat. But now he is.

6:49 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Laugh at some dude's death, but still like the absurdity. Yeah. So, you know, the the thing is, he didn't have to die. That's why it's on it. He did it himself.

7:03 So the the the the flat earth people are like, you know, that have, you know, at least learned to read in their life or something like this, right. At least have at least are trying to say some things that like, you know, can can relate to things that we know, like common sense stuff. Right? And then trying to extrapolate that into the macro, you know, like for example, right.

7:23 You know, you have to have a container to have pressurized air. And I was like there. Right. One of the things you'll say. So if, if, if the outer space was a complete vacuum, as they say, right. And the Earth wasn't covered in a dome, right. You know, flat like a snow globes, you know, covered in dome. Yeah.

7:40 Like, no, not snow globe. You know, whatever. A a flat plane with a globe with a dome on it. Right, with this big ice wall and all that. If that weren't the case, then the the, the zero pressure of space would basically not suck it. But the pressure, right? The pressure always moves from a higher pressure gradient to a lower pressure gradient.

8:02 So there logic is that, you know, all the atmosphere would just just exhaust off into space, you know, would blow off into space. Okay. Well, you know, to like someone that has very little understanding of science, you know, that's like, makes a lot of surface. It makes some sense. You know, something like that actually makes them sense in this way.

8:25 Yeah. So, I mean, I can explain that away very easily. Like, me to go ahead and you can, because that's not the way the atmosphere works. So go ahead. Sure. So, think of your nitrogen. The the, atmosphere is mostly. Not yet. It is? Yes. So let's take a nitrate amounts of other things. Let's take a nitrogen molecule and like, imagine it's life.

8:55 Okay. And here it is out in space and it's just floating around. We have not seen you for many a day. Camel do carpets. It's out here mining its own business right out in space. Mining zone. But yeah, it's like a camel carpet cleaning band. Which responsibility? Go ahead. And, that that molecule says, oh, shit. Gravity. Right.

9:17 And so it starts moving in a certain direction. And then there's another like nitrogen atom somewhere or molecules floating around. Right. It says oh yeah. Gravity right. And so it has like a vector, it starts moving in the direction right towards that center of gravity. And then joins up with other things that are pulled towards that center of gravity as well in this vacuum space.

9:39 Yeah. Now water, liquid gas, everything else all of this coalesces are less around center of gravity. Yes. And so as you get up higher and higher in the atmosphere of the air gets thinner and thinner and thinner. And so then finally, where there's just little air, we call it space, you know, say we're now in space. Right. It's not like this definitive barrier, you know, it's a gradient.

10:01 It's a transition. Yeah, it's a gradient. So it goes to next to nothing to like. No, none at all. Not detectable by modern instrumentation. Right. And so if, if one of those particles starts to kind of move, move away from the Earth, the gravity pulls it back. And so that's why you have this gravity held in, you know, a pocket of gas around.

10:22 And it makes sense that gas would be, you know, on the outer edge because it's less dense. Right. Yes, yes. And and you know, he's just, you know, think about it. We've got the core of the earth, which is the, in essence, the center of gravity. It's the greatest mass. Right. And then we build out from there to less further and further less dense items.

10:45 Right. So if you can slate the entire Earth to like a, pressurized can of tennis balls or something, then then all of a sudden, this is the explanation of why the air is more satisfying than that sound. But you see how you see how, like the slightest thing, like the slightest gap in scientific knowledge or, you know, time to actually come to play something leads to a false belief in someone that's not trained in logic and skepticism, you know?

11:13 Yeah, I guess I'm saying we need logic, skepticism. And to train them in the art of the possible we do to train them in the in the kind of the, the, a survey class of how does the world work. Right? Because being logic and skepticism gives you some tools. But you got to have the grist for the mill.

11:34 You got to have the something to work with, you know. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, your every day class, you know, I don't know, science class, you know, isn't going to go about that type of explanation like I just made because, you know, it previously wasn't challenged with this idea that it didn't have to it just expected you to accept the basic tenets of science in our world.

12:01 You know, here's the next one, right? The the next one is like this idea that, oh, well, water always finds its level, you know? Yes. In a bathtub. Yeah. Dude, you know, in the simplest of systems. In containers. Sure. Yes. And in a test tube, you're a a small beaker. You can actually see, like the meniscus, you can actually see the surface tension.

12:21 You can do that in your own in a, in a cup on your, on your counter you can see the meniscus. Right. And so in that context, you know, the water finds its own level shape of its center. In that case the surface tension is causing a concavity. Right. So it would be like the opposite of the curve.

12:39 You know, the the claim is that the Earth is convex because it's round, right. So the flat earthers say, you know, it's are people that are not scientifically, I don't know, attenuate or that scientifically literate, you know, poorly, scientifically literate. They were, you know, here, check this out. See how water always finds its level. And so therefore you can't have water.

13:03 These big oceans like take up half the earth on a on a round sphere. It doesn't happen. Water always finds a level, right? It's always flat. So. So therefore, you know, it's a big lie. The whole thing is, you know. Yeah. Work load chart. And so, you know, but that's the same premise of gravity pulling everything towards the center point.

13:21 You know, of course you're going to have spherical water in that case right over the, over the angular difference between one and your bathtub to the other is so freaking small relative to the circumference of the Earth, it's impossible to even detect any type of circumference there, right? You know, mathematically exists, but practically it wouldn't over such a small space.

13:43 You certainly aren't going to be able to perceive it with your own eyes. And, you know, you wouldn't even be able to perceive it with the most sophisticated instrumentation, because in in here's the thing. Okay. Yeah, modern instrumentation would fail here. Your own perception would fail here. And that's the thing. They have so much faith in their own perception.

14:02 What the instruments that we have are terrible, like the eyes that we have compared to other animals are shit. The, you know, and it's like other animals even have other senses, like a bird has a can sense the magnetic fields of the earth and use it to migrate, you know, things like that. Yeah. And so in that same vein, I saw just the other day a video talking about this cat that, our nose.

14:30 Right. Compared to cats or dogs. Sure. Yeah. You can, you can kind of just, you know, measure the anatomy and and see that there's, you know, magnitudes more olfactory nerves for the cat or dog. Right? Then there is for the humans and not even having to know anything beyond that, know that they can definitely smell, but better than us.

14:49 And then you have the anecdotal evidence of the of the animal constitutes things sniffing stuff out. Writer. Right. Yeah. So you put it all together and it's a strong case can be made. So there's where your skepticism doesn't have to work too hard. Right. Because there's all the data. Here's all this evidence for you. Yeah. Yeah. So like people in our kind of field in domain and our severe influence, you know, are mostly okay with the idea that, like, we're in a computer simulation because that's kind of sounds cool.

15:19 Well, it sounds cool and it flows into what we do as it nerds. It says, well, holy crap, it's the idea of, you know, the mythology proud, saying it's turtles all the way down. Well, we're like, well, we're it nerds. It's it all the way down. That's right, that's right. So there's a, there's a, a bias there, right?

15:40 Automatically we're we're willing we're willing to accept stupid, dumb shit that's more in the domain that we're, you know, that we're used to in our field of interest. But what we should start doing to the people in, in our, you know, sphere of influence and say, yeah, we're just going to computer simulation is say, yeah, and the earth is flat, you dumbass.

16:00 Right. Because in that same realm there's if there's no evidence for it, then it falls to the same category. It does it in the same in something here, if you don't let them affect your daily life can just be thought experiments. This could be one of those. So okay, see a flat earth thing if you didn't let it affect your life.

16:20 Doesn't affect my life. I'm just saying that. But some of these people that the simulation people or the flat earthers, they let it, oh, I've seen it affect their life around it. Yeah. I, I, I know a guy particularly who is a believer in flat earth and isn't that dumb of a guy, but he's built his life around this, this, this premise that it's true.

16:42 Right? And now he's had to say that NASA is a lie. And while you know, all this, all this stuff is CGI and fake and it's a big conspiracy, and he has to then buy into all that to maintain the belief that the Earth is flat. Right? Right. And then all these other things to like, search to talk about the Bible and the firmament and all the, you know, here we go.

17:02 It's like gateway drug to, you know, believe anything. Now, you know, that's true with conspiracy theories is that once somebody, does actually fully Full Sail believe in a conspiracy, then it's easy to believe it. Easier to believe in the next one. Yeah. The odds that they're going to believe in, in numerous conspiracies is actually goes up higher.

17:22 Interesting. And the more conspiracies you believe in, the more likely you are to believe any more. So it's like a it is like almost like a feedback loop. Okay. So, the problem is, is that there's been some examples in history where, like everyone scoffed at the conspiracy theory, it turned out to be true. Yeah. And when that happens, that throws a monkey wrench into the whole skepticism point to the whole thing is, look, it's all true because this one thing was or this one thing was partially true.

17:52 And that's what it is. The government lies all the time. And here's a whole host of examples that are documented historically. Accurate. Yeah. Is the government camp can point to some of the stuff that Edward Snowden unveiled, like in a catalog, which has some pretty cool stuff in it. You're right, you're right. And so those start those things used as the foundational anecdotal, you know, data points can then quickly erode a claim that skepticism is the right answer.

18:21 You know. So yeah. Well, while you're being all skeptical, you know, I'm going to stay away from all this stuff and not trust any not trust the government and not trust, you know, blah, blah, blah because of these examples like I'm talking about. And so next thing you know, that person's a flat earthers and anti-vaxxer. Yeah, yeah. Into the modern are the modern pitfalls.

18:44 The a modern. And also there's got to be an element of wanting to belong to the group here always. That's always an element. Yeah. Yeah. That's always an element for sure. It's like once you fall in with that crowd like, well what do these guys believe? Yeah. Especially when like, the hot chick is in the group, right. Oh.

19:04 Oh my God, that makes sense. We have Sam. You have to ask him about the flat earth or hottie that he met in Tennessee. I rest my case. And he. Yeah, I mean, he basically agreed with her because she was hot. There was this philosophy group that that guy Bill Van Fleet used to run, and he had a girl that was coming to his Sunday philosophy group, and we used to go to McCoy's that bar on whatever.

19:35 I'm on Woodlawn. Right. Okay. We used to go there as like an after party and hang out right for a while, have an appetizer and a beer or whatever, and carry on the conversation. And something that was interesting that we talked about, you know. Sure. Yeah. It'd be like afterwards be like, hey, you going to the air? Sure.

19:51 I'll go there for a while, you know, and hang out. Well, this girl who's like, I'm not gonna lie, pretty attractive, you know, and she's talking about Reiki. I know, seeing auras and. Oh, no, you know, on and on about this stuff. And I couldn't help myself. You know, I, I went ahead and I don't know, there's a competition in my, in my, in my brain and in my psyche of like and in my physiology.

20:21 Right. To like you might want to win favor by attractive female. Right. Right. Absolutely. In contrast with, I can't let this hit me. And I can't let this go on anymore. This nonsense, it's attractive, female, but also someone who has a little bit of social cachet and, well, you know for sure, for sure, for sure. You're like, you don't want to upset the person who has cleansed bladder a little bit.

20:48 Yeah, right. And, you know, burn a possible bridge or. Yeah. I was not single with time, so I'm not too worried about burning a possible, you know, a dating relationship. But still there's like that between the sexes. Nuance, right? Yeah. You don't kind of want a attractive girl to not like you. Yeah, right. Because what do you track if this one attracted girl doesn't like you, maybe that spreads to other attractive barrels.

21:16 Yeah. And and as a yo. And as I was sitting here, like, listening to her talk, I actually said that in my mind, I was like, if, if, if that was a dude saying those things, you would have verbally eviscerated him right there. He would have been trashed. He would never came back. And then I couldn't help myself.

21:33 And I came out of my mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was talking about how full of shit. And, you know, all that stuff is clearly just, you know, just just ways to trick other people. It's just a freaking magic trick at best. You know, it's right up there with palm reading and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, it's like reads and James Randi, the ultimate skeptic.

21:57 Yeah, there's this shit out of your belly or or those that have followed in his footsteps that are, have specifically debunked this whole Reiki stuff. Right? Right, right. The people who are continuing to run his amazing nonprofit when I cannot remember the name of. Yeah, it's related to like the skeptic Society type like that, you know, and they put put somebody that claims they can do all this stuff.

22:20 And you have people lined up behind a small screen and you say, you know, that person had an aura that you can supposedly see through through a screen that you claim is and then you do it scientifically, fully randomized, double blind. And next thing you know, they're they're now doing better than chance. Yep. So if they can see an aura, they would, you know, be able to obviously see the person you know through this in veiled screen.

22:43 Yeah. Yep. And but they don't because there is no. And so yeah. So like you just said a minute ago with the human senses. Okay, so what you're telling me is like some person, some, some Reiki master, right? Can see an aura of somebody say, oh, your pituitary gland is off, you know, whatever. Yeah, right. Right.

23:06 Oh, you might suffer from a, you know, your aura suggests that there's a I see a little dip there around your side, your flank, you know, you know, you have chest pain before in your life and talking to, like, some 54 year old overweight, you know. Yeah. You know, it's like in a high stress life. Yeah. Yeah. You're talking to some guy who makes a crap ton of money dressed in a suit.

23:29 You know, he's overweight. Got that? He's sweating across his brow. He's eating fried food. Yeah, and loaded it up with salt. Yeah. And the Reiki master is like, yeah, I see an aura there that if he ever had chest pain, it's like I just had open heart surgery. Yup. Open heart surgery last week. Oh my God.

23:50 And no. Do you do you know about my Eddie too? Yeah. Yeah. That's like running joke. She's like, yes, I can see there's a void in your aura where you're your dick is. Yeah, yeah, I knew that. So, you know, now come. You have to come in for a session. You know, we can correct this. We can work on it.

24:13 Yeah. Good work on your world. Get your energy balance. Yes, yes. Open up your chakras or whatever. Working on you. And now he's no threat. He's like, he's double. He's like the perfect candidate, right? Because now he he's no threat because he can't get it up anyway. So yeah, he's not going to be going after her. And number two he felt heard.

24:30 He felt understood. That's right. And so thereby he's more than more likely to accept. Yes. Or somebody talked to him and took an interest in him and that. Oh yeah. This is more than happens in the meetings.

24:47 Yeah. So next thing you know the guys like, you know, opening up his wallet and has this crazy belief system now and balancing out his energies. Yep. When really he just needs to stop beating the chicken figure. Right. He's just stopped going with a quick option at work. He's got 15 minutes to eat, then yo he to walk off.

25:07 Yeah, we're in his calendar and go. You dance out while on the treadmill, bro. Not to say I do that as much as I need to, but yeah. Oh, probably 90% of adults don't do that like they, you know, do that like they need to. But anyway, beside the point that, you know, this, this kind of thing, you know, just repeats over and over and over it's the same.

25:30 There's this like just this cycle. It's whatever the trend is of magical fairy dust, snake oil just and never ends. It's just keeps going, right? Keeps going on and on. And those same people that are will fall for that. We'll also toe the party line for the politics, and they'll also show up and make sure they put their tithing in every week.

25:51 That's the tree. And the same type of psychology. It is. It is. And it all goes to it also. It all goes to acceptance. The individual wants to be accepted. The individual wants to feel a part of something greater than their cells. And they also want to feel like your reach is extended. They want to feel like they have not only control, but they have powers.

26:14 Right? There you go. And all of that comes from the gate to these praying curtains. They're like, I know something the Record Bible doesn't know. I understand a depth of the universe that you taught. And to me, that has never been sedated. Yeah, I have something you don't have and can't have it right. Like my my heart has been anointed and filled with the Holy Spirit.

26:39 You know, only by getting on your knees and accepting Jesus, asking Jesus to come to your heart. Yeah, right. There you go. Supplicating. You know, and you finally be like, mailing, scraping and yeah, sacrifice. Oh, sure. Get on your knees in a position of surrender. Right with your hands up. Position of surrender. On your knees, down on the ground in front of some other, some dude.

27:00 But most likely a dude, right? That's up on a raised pedestal. Yeah, in some type of fancy garb. Right? You don't see the psychology in that. You're blind is like, you know, and submission and it is. And other things that the church had also done, other things that, you know, added to the submissive. Component one was I have to intercede on your behalf to God.

27:25 I have to talk to God for you. I'm praying for you. And then another thing you confess to me. Of course, there's going to be an intermediary, right? Because you have to pay me to. Yeah, you pay me, you confess to me, I pray for you. I can, I can get you. I can get your loved ones out of purgatory.

27:44 That's right. I convert that cash into a Jesus coin. Yeah. And you, you paid enough Jesus coin to get your grandmother's soul out of purgatory. Now she'll go to heaven. Oh, well, I didn't know about that. Grandma. Yeah, yeah. Jesus. Why didn't you tell me that earlier? I would have gone a long time ago, right? Or. Hell, grandma, I might have just left grandma in that and not paid the Jeep school.

28:12 What if I paid the wrong denomination? No pun intended. Yeah, and then that sends her to hell. Oh, oh. Oh, yeah. What a. You know what if, age, you know, I pay the Southern Baptist to get her out of purgatory and get her. Instead, I was supposed to pay the Catholics white and, you know, does God convert this?

28:34 Does God say, well, we'll figure it out or.

28:39 Is his grandma just stuck in purgatory forever, or is it just somebody you could also buy indulgences at one point? You know about those? Oh, yeah, that I know that I've done it first. And the first thing in the relics, like this is a piece of the true cross, right? You can buy it. Yeah. Yeah, you can buy it.

28:57 And they just broke up some furniture in the back. They shards. They found some old chairs and, you know, tables and up in the back. Oh, look, if you want to buy it, I'll charge you a small amount to touch this rabbit. Yeah, with whatever you have on you. Oh, you're the energy from him. You've got a change.

29:13 Oh, you can make that a third class relic by touching this first class relic. But you got to pay me money first. Yeah. So, like, you know, we should start making these relics, you know, like, make, like, a micro version of a tens machine. Tens or tens machine tenses up your muscles, right? So we're able to touch it.

29:31 Yeah. Like, it can get the static electricity from the air and perpetually, like, give you some muscle twitching. Yeah. It's like, do you feel the energy? We'll use some of those energy harvesting chips that. Yeah. You know, basically the RF background radiation. Yes. And. Right, exactly. And convert it into usable energy. Yeah. Hell yeah. Like it takes like a m, you know, transmission signals and convert it into the low energy.

29:59 Yeah. Right. So a little bit of DC current at the right frequency for like muscle contraction. Yeah. So people are like holding on to this, you know, divine rod or whatever you call whatever you want. I love the idea of a divine rod. Yeah, but no divining rod grip. Use your kung fu grip on my divine rod, please.

30:20 I like how you self indulge yourself by saying it's divine.

30:26 Rod of God. Yeah, which is a Rod of God ministries. But you locals, right? Yeah. Rod of God ministries. I'm trying on street right near Airwolf. Yeah. And, they're just hilarious. Rod of God ministries. If, if, if some kid gets touched in that church and you didn't see that coming. Didn't.

30:48 Something's not right. You missed the cue. You missed a you missed a little signal there. Yeah. You know, it's like I would have met. They do have their own school world level. They have to be in the church to finally see the rod. Oh. Or to be, shall we to use their nomenclature to be anointed by the wrath of God?

31:08 I yeah, I love all these words. You know, there's there's like this small buffet banquet of words that are like very specific to, you know, all this ideology. Well, all salvation and anointed and yeah, you know, a repentant repent is a big one, right? Is a huge one. Oh, here we go on. Like coming to, you know, having a contrite heart, you know, salvation.

31:38 Yep. You know, I've been saved. Glory outside of morning glory, right? Right. And then that all ties into that's been appropriated by the nationalism crowd. Because you got God, glory and guns. Nice, nice, nice. You know, they they're they're whole. That's their whole thing. And so that ties back into this one powerhouse there. I saw a funny video.

32:10 This guy was talking about different words. The silent K's in very words like knife and knuckle. Right. And, there's there's somewhere that was two silent K's in the word. Remember what it was about my head. But then the joke was. And then there's even words there. There's even, a word with three silent K's in it. It's called Republican KKK.

32:33 Where you go?

32:41 Oh, that's too funny. And he didn't even, like, spell out KKK. He just let he just he let you figure it out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's like even working with three solid KS in it. Republican doom. Pretty funny. Yeah, I wish I had that kind of subtlety within me I do not yeah, yeah. The current thing is the card and like, you know, the grooming of young children, that's that's one of the buzzwords, the signal words now and this, you know, we're we're I guess talking about Christian nationalism after all today.

33:11 Right. You know, you know, there's this embedded language that's, you know, like some of the other things has its own embedded language. Well, yeah. I mean, everything does, everything does. Every insular group needs a shorthand to quickly communicate the concepts and ideas that they're building with and also signal that I'm in this group right at this particular, you know, section of this group.

33:33 Like in this case, it would be like the extreme right. You know. Yeah. The these dog whistle of the as you will words, you know, really say look, I'm one of you. Yeah. The signal you know, I'm anti-gay on the inside. All this, all the stuff that the far left is pushing the, you know, modern kind of, world progressive, you know, front of ultra extreme of the left.

33:59 I'm signaling now that I'm going to be Altra Extreme to the right, but not want to look xenophobic and racist and realize and Zionist and always going to even though that is those are the very ideas and message you're espousing. Sure. But at the same time, you could argue and they do, that the far left uses all these signals and words, and they do to groom the children, like getting the children to declare at a young age with their pronouns and, you know, hey, sexualizing the youth, grooming that.

34:29 I mean, I don't know you and I have a difference of opinion here as to how much that actually happens. But on both sides then too. Right? Yeah. And in, in, in ultimately, you know, all right. It's kind of hard because what we see are extreme examples. Those are the things that get put forth because they gain traction in our social media and our news.

34:51 Okay. So I could I could like kind of make the case, okay for white nationalism, Christian white Christian nationalism very easily. Right. And first of all, it's going to be predicated out of fear okay. So I'm going to start signaling all these fear terms. Like for example I'm going to make this projection. I'm going to say, oh, by 2050 white Americans will be in the minority, which is BS.

35:11 Well, based on current trends of where population is going. Right. But regardless. But let's let's say here's the math. Sure. Just study okay. This shows that white. You know, Americans would be in the minority by 2050. South Africa shows this. It doesn't matter if you're in the minority, if you just still have power. Well, actually, South Africa could be used as the fear because the, the, the white people lost control there to the to the nonwhite majority are.

35:43 Right. Okay. So that would be adding to the fear. Now you've relied on your traditional values through your church to and you feel like you're part of that community with the embedded Christian values. And you don't want this, this community, your people to be be thrown because you feel like you are the chosen. You are the you have the right morals.

36:05 You are part of the 144,000 that's going to heaven. You want to be literal? Yeah, your your morals are the correct one. And it's your ethical responsibility to to adhere to those morals and propagate them. Yeah. And not let anything erode those morals. Right, right. So there's that the fear of of society at large chiseling into your morals.

36:23 Right, right. And not having the resolve or the fortitude to do what needs to be done to make sure your ethics are enforced. Right. Like anti-abortion. So your ethic is right that abortion is is sinful and wrong and evil. Yeah. And so therefore, based on your moral values and so your responsibility to find some way, whether that be to get it some political angle and gerrymander and get the minority to become the, say, the land like loading the Supreme Court.

36:56 Right. And I'm going to single vote issue my way. Right. I'm going to give everything to the rich just so I can have that one thing someday. Right. And so here we go down that spiral. So the Christian, you know, now you are rich and you use this powerful set of ideologies that a lot of people believe to maintain you being rich or become.

37:19 Richard. Absolutely. You take advantage of the single issue and you get on the side of the single voter issue that's going to get you all those votes. Yes. And maintain your power, influence and cash. Your mistresses might have had 50 abortions, and it doesn't matter to you. You're just using that. You're saying you're anti-abortion just to get into that thread.

37:36 It's it's the it's the cloak the wolf puts upon to be amongst the sheep. Right. And so then to get that in, they then say yes to letting the rich just keep carving up the resources for themselves more and more, right through a cut to credit government just to get just to get that moral value asserted through your ethic, which is your as a group.

37:58 When that ring hollow, you know, 100% rings hollow, just like everything else in the same kind of domain. Yeah, rings totally hollow. I mean, like, how how does that satisfy you? And how, for goodness sake. How does that satisfy your God? Because you're so afraid that your morals are being eroded and that you're losing the control, the moral majority of the country by now there's gay marriage.

38:26 And now you gave Brad phrase that are flaunting everywhere you feel like your God has conferred upon you more the responsibility of the morality of the country, the world, of course, of course. I mean, I've was raised in that, and I still never I mean, I was right, there were snake handler snakes. So it's just a matter of like creating that, that, that, collection of fears.

38:52 Okay. Yeah. And getting enough people in that, into that bag of fears one way or the other to then get the votes to then get the power. Right. So it's about getting people in a state of heightened, heightened fear and keeping them there. Right? So, like, you know, all these new green renewables and your family's been a coal miners for six generations.

39:16 And so when you're in West Virginia on beating the stump, right, you got to look at it this way to your family may have been coal miners six generations, but guess what? They've also got in black lung for six generations. That's right. And you know, on top of that, you know how how tyrannical the, how you doing?

39:32 How the how tyrannical the, coal companies are and how they run the place, how they treat people, individuals like crap. So it's like, wouldn't you want to be out from under that yoke? Rationally, in big picture. Yes, but that's what how you're putting bread, you know, food on the table. So that's, that's your that's your shingle voters.

39:51 And I will say that's your fear. My family was a coal family until just after World War two. And then we found other shit to do. But so so there you have the the picture though that I'm paying for this, this resurgence of this white Christian nationalism. Right. Is that this all these different fears, you know, they're they're there things are changing too fast.

40:12 You know, they're using this technology to censor you right there, taking away our freedom of speech. Like, you know, Trump got kicked off. Twitter is an example. Right. And, you know, that's these big tech. But now he's got true social, which is going to just totally win today. Right? Right. And so dude, it's a WordPress template. Then it's word for it of course.

40:33 And the name is just so funny. Yeah. It's so the name is just outrageous. It's so in direct opposition to what he's plying and spewing. So you can post anything you want on a, on a, on a network. But the network itself is called Truth Social System. It's just silly. Yeah. You know, if it's called true social and you want to be the arbiters of truth, then there would be some sort of filtering, some wailing down, some reduction of things to make sure they're true.

41:01 Wouldn't there be? I think that's in their user license agreement from what I think I read. Oh, right. If they deem it to be a false, they cut it. They they take it down. All right. Great. So you love so, you know, of course, none of this stops the steal stuff has been taken down here, which is hilarious, right?

41:20 You know, it's not about something like. That's true. It's tenuous about tenuous amounts of evidence. Yeah. So these fear things, like, you know, these immigrants, the same green on I didn't I didn't even notice the same color as his shirt or Willie clothes, but nice. So, you know, these immigrants are coming over the border and they're taking all the blue power jobs, the remaining blue collar jobs, which have already been pinched from, you know, manufacturing.

41:46 And except they're not automated production, you know. Right. It's just it doesn't that's the fear. Right. And so now that's another one in this bag of fears to bring people into your ideology. Yeah. You know, come on. The, the the the Christian church is the ultimate you're going to go to fucking hell for all of eternity where you're tortured for all until the end of time.

42:08 So my own grandmother feels like she has to continually give of her meager resources. She has to continually make herself available to people in every way, shape and form because she's terrified of going to hell. Exactly. And I talked to her about this, you know, probably at least once a month. There you go. About how, you know, I even use Bible quotes to talk to her about how she's lived a life of righteousness and openness.

42:38 And there's she's, you know, yeah. You never stop. You're never done with the race, per Paul. But and but she can calm down. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep loving, keep caring, keep projecting that love of God into the world. But you're not going to hell. And she's not going to pay to do that. You don't need to pay to do that.

42:59 Yeah, but but still. Here it is, though. It's catering to this fear always. It's back to the same thing. And don't think the left doesn't do the same thing as well, right. It's like, you know, the left. We're creating these safe places, right? Safe places where the kids can be who they really are, because society and the evil Republican incursions are trying to, you know, space ideas kind of BS.

43:21 It's a false alarm, right? It's a it's another, you know, is there any say we are a bastion of understanding and whereas the rest of this world is evil, you must retreat from it. So maybe their ideology on the kids is creating an unsafe space to be. But we're not that they're in an unsafe space. And the same way that we can so easily and clearly see how the fear mongering amongst the ultra far right and the, the, you know, the neo, you know, nationalists, Christian nationalists, nationalists, let's be clear, whether the fear mongering is coming from the left or the right, the fear mongering is the wrong tool.

43:56 Fear, uncertainty, in doubt are not a way to empower, control and increase populations understanding and reach. It works great in the short term, but in the long term it burns people out and it leads to incredibly, energetic, dangerous situations. It does, it does. It creates powder keg. It creates these highly pressurized situations that are going to detonate.

44:21 They're going to explode because people can't live under that pressure for endlessly. Right? Right. So that's exactly what you see. That's exactly what we're seeing. Okay. So you have this psychopathic okay, fear mongering society. Like here's an example. Your kid your kid has ADHD until they'll never have a future okay. No, no, no. Think about this. Your kid will never have a future because they can't.

44:44 They're not successful in school because they can't sit still and concentrate. And if they can't sit still, concentrate in school, they'll never get into college and they'll never have a career. And it's a fear, right? It's another fear. And so let me get my kid then into this system of getting psychoactive drugs in their body when they're still developing.

45:01 Right. Totally reshaping parts of their brain for sure. Oh, you know, okay. And then now they're set up for, for the future of like, Ritalin and Prozac, lithium, all the other shit that Adderall, all the others shouldn't have come coming after that. Right. Cocktail of drugs to stabilize this person. There you go. That is bestowed on our society at a rate that's tremendously magnitudes higher than the natural occurrences of genuine.

45:27 I see all sorts of messed up. Okay, but that's just about you. I'm so. No, no, no, no, I'm saying I'm all sorts of messed up and I have I have lots of problems concentrating, things like that. But I personally have chosen let me build mental tools, let me build a, you know, approaches. Let me build an understanding of how I work rather than rely on a cocktail of drugs that is is like a sledgehammer to your brain.

45:56 There you go. And so again, another fear driven right. Pharmaceutical industries is right there lining up to cash in on that fear. And so that is burning our society up. Same same thing with like you just insert saying here and you can take it down the same pattern over and over and over. Right. Yeah. So it's, it's it's just a form of marketing that's very clandestine.

46:19 You know, this the fear mongering. Now you can even go I mean, I don't want to carry pick the really the left or the right too much because it's not fair. But the way I see it is this, this resurgence of Christian nationalism is, as you said, the powder keg, because not only are they so driven by fear, but they actually believe that God is on their side.

46:45 Right? And when you have somebody, they believe they're on the Crusades. You have somebody that's afraid. You're someone that's uncertain about the future. You're someone that's self-esteem has been blown out of the water by the by too much fear for too long in the in their mind and in their body because they don't feel like they have control or sell out of control.

47:02 That's right. Yeah. Like I can't personally do anything, but guess who can? My God can. That's right. And then so you slip in that religious extremism, then part as the tail end and you have a terrorist. Yeah. Of of a certain color, a certain variety. Right, right, right. Because there are domestic and otherwise terrorists of every stripe. Let's be clear.

47:23 Right. So they're not flying, planes into buildings per se, but they might be trying to they might be trying to infiltrate the military. Right. And they very well might be okay over some of the capital. They might be trying to do something Waco ish where they're holding up and they're stockpiling weapons, and they're going to attempt some kind of true or secession.

47:45 They might think it's completely okay to get armed and go storming the Capitol. Yeah. Oh, shit. That happened, didn't it? Oh. Oh my God, look at this. Oh, I rest my case. Right. And so the the the the reason that the, you know, kind of the Christian nationalism is so much more dangerous than the margins of the left pushing extreme Wokingham unconscious bias in our, you know, if I can corporation.

48:12 I look at the and the safe spaces in the schools. I look at all that as just something that's going to wind down. And ultimately as kids navigate that and deal with that, they're learning what extremism looks like. And that's a good thing because later in life they're able to more avoid it, understand it and handle it because they're always going to deal with it.

48:32 I already see the pronoun thing waning, like I already see that certain tail off. Yeah, I see that less and less now we have, you know, rather than working ourselves up to a froth about it, you know, because it doesn't have the religious ideology and so much it doesn't have that same power. Right? Religious based things do. Right.

48:52 It's it's still has a lot of fear driven and a lot of, you know, very deep seated, opinion driven behavior and a lot of the things behind it I do agree with. But the people don't believe that God's telling to do it. Right. They they're trying to come up with a solution to a set of problems. And in my opinion, it's not a very good solution.

49:12 And it might not even be a very well defined set of problems. These are true. It might, you know, you might be sensing something wrong and then injecting problems to pin it on. There we go, there we go. And then then in the course of inventing those problems, you create some discord that's not healthy for society and you create a half assed solution.

49:33 Well, like you said, society will kind of like sort that out over time. It'll it'll keep, you know, it'll meander, but it'll get to some destination, right? Yeah. It'll kind of keep course correcting. But when you have like the eternal soul on the line, it's different. That's something totally different. And these people will take this country down. They will, they will they will literally create a revolution in this country, a fucking revolution.

49:56 I mean, it's like that show, it's like the book or show Handmaid's Tale. It really is. It's that showcases the what happens when the extreme maintains power. Yep. And you relate to the extreme and and you light that fuze on that powder keg as you describe it. You light the fuze with extreme left wing woke ism. Okay.

50:20 Right. That is lighting the fucking fuze. Right. And so the people that are on the far left extreme okay. Pushing this like free like really aggressive aggressive ideology in the schools trying to get grade school, you know, books where they talk about my two dads and all that shit. Then we have the opposite. They just got prayer firmly entrenched in schools from the right.

50:42 Right. Because that's a that's a reverberation from what the left is far left is doing trying to get these to these kids. Yeah. And the problem is, is that the, the, the short sightedness of the, of the far left is that they're going to lose to the, to the, motivation of someone that feels like they're inspired by God.

51:01 Because the person that feels like they're inspired by God will go beyond them selves to see to it that that that agenda is then met right again out of fear. They're contaminating the kids, they're converting the kids. They're grooming the kids. Right. And so that's why the, the, these this new Christian nationalism is using those signal words to keep stoking that fear, which then is power.

51:24 And that's one thing we have to be careful of. You know, when we if we talk about CRT and give it any kind of gradients, you have to really understand where the whole motivation of them appropriating CRT is, is from. Exactly. And we have to understand that really it's probably a misappropriation and that it really isn't happening to the degree that these people are saying it's happening.

51:47 That's right. That's why special interest groups shouldn't be running the agenda in schools. There should be academic focus groups on what works in education coming forward and saying, this is what the kids to be successful learners. And that power base has been eroded by the fact that states for some reason, just don't want to pay a teacher for sure.

52:05 And, you know, there's all these like they attack their retirement and everything, but go ahead. You know, in education in particular, right? Expectation is huge. But like almost every kid has a, you know, an individualized education plan. Yes. And so a perfect world. So every teacher looks at that, looks at that IEP to know what the deficiencies are of that particular child and then mentally pigeonholes them for their expectations.

52:31 Sure, sure. Now I'm not going to get into the debate on the IEP, but like that's just one negative aspect of it. Right, right. And then you pile on top of that, all these special interest groups coming in from the outside wanting to push an agenda in the school. Yeah. Okay. And then the teachers are like the front line, you know, interface of all that shit.

52:51 And God forbid, you know, the teacher just does something natural and just like, is there in the classroom, you know, coming. Okay. They're tournament dude. It was like quarter mile away. No.

53:08 But anyway, fast and heavy.

53:15 They're made of a gummy like material. So, seriously, the teacher then becomes this, like, ground zero for this culture war. You know, the school becomes ground zero for the culture war. And that's the last place we need the culture war. Yeah, we need schools. Need to be divorced of that. Schools need to be a place where I imagine something along the Library of Alexandria, where we catalog and collect the information of the world, where is presented, preserved and, you know, propagated rather than debated endlessly upon.

53:54 It's, you know, and all because that's that's what we're doing in so many states like Texas is debating upon fact here and saying whether or not we can teach certain things. So the Christian nationals are going to say, look what they're trying to do to our kids in school. They're trying to create the safe spaces. They're trying to get them to talk about their sexuality at a young age.

54:14 They're grooming them with all those trying to get there, attacking our religion by talking about, you know, evolution. Exactly. They're telling our kids, I think that that that they came from monkeys, you know, which, of course, isn't what evolution says at all. Not at all, you know, but they're trying to teach our kids that there's, like, there's nothing special about them.

54:32 They're just another ape. They all they are. It's fine. No, there is something special about humans. But but they. Yes, there is a special ingredient. One we can sweat. Two, if this goes way beyond just physical things. Well, yes. Two, we have larger brains and we have a, we have the nice thick corpus callosum to shove information between the two hemispheres.

54:54 You can say like the, the bottleneck dolphin or the this a certain type of whale like has way, way more neural connections than, than humans do. But you can find in the animal kingdom, biologically speaking, superior species in every domain, every every aspect of human. So you can't physiologically, biologically make human special in the, in the domain of biology.

55:16 Well, I'd argue the big thing is our level of social organization. That's that's one of the huge things. And so you can't just take human beings and divorce them of technology and civilization and culture and language and those those are the things that we've built and that are ingrained in us. That's what makes it special, makes this a different thing, right?

55:38 Yeah. I mean, you know. Sure. A corvid, a raven can use some tools, you know, and it can build tools, but it and it has rudimentary social organization. But we've taken all of those positives. Yeah. Make a laptop bitch. Right. We've taken all these positives and we brought them to the degree. And but there is this this idea of like conflating humans with just another quote unquote great apes.

56:05 But I think we know there's a negative aspect. I think we need to take that in and see it for what it is. And but we are a great ape. So so here's again, like how you can just abstract something, play into fears, okay. And stir up these deep seated, cultural, appetites. But I also don't like offense to being called a just another great ape, because in one last you that I think he should.

56:29 In one aspect we are though genetically we're so damn similar to these guys. What is what is okay. Just without any. And that's exactly you tied in. What is going to say? Just take your fundamental take all your science brain and put it away for a second. For a second. Okay? Yeah. You just know you have to intuitively automatically with your gut that that human beings are not like any other animal on the planet.

56:54 Well, yeah, just looking at the Dominion we have over the other animals and how how many of them we've managed to make extinct through our own processes and choices? Yeah, yeah, but guess what? They'd make us extinct. Two animals have made animal other animals extinct through all fucking creation. Well, I, I agree with you, but nothing else has to that we've been able to record or recognize other than the extinction level events like a meteorite.

57:20 So the level that we have when when victory and extinction level events, when photosynthesis evolved in single celled organisms, single celled bacteria, cyanobacteria, when photosynthesis, a root came through the process of evolution. When photosynthesis arrived on the scene, I got you. It was the largest global sanction in this world has ever seen, right? Because it crowded cyanobacteria, crowded things out because they were able to more efficiently grabbed the resources than the things that came before.

57:47 Oxygen is an oxidizing agent, is a is basically a sterilizer. It's a poison. Oxygen is a poison for. So when oxygen was produced, it killed a lot of things off that were used to an environment. Yes. Now, that was your largest extinction of one species extinct, another ever in the known geological record. There we go. Okay. But human beings just being the dominant species is like.

58:08 And other things going extinct. I'm not just going to say it's great is good, right. But I'm going to point out this is a natural process. He's a natural process that's been exacerbated and accelerated by our choices. And we have to make more careful choices and be better stewards. Like, okay, just like those Christian, right? They believe that they have been confirmed responsibility for the world, animals, the earth.

58:33 Okay. By God, we gotta save the fucking red ass baboon. Okay. Yeah, but how many fucking derivatives of baboons and chimpanzees and apes species along the known record are long fucking hundreds of thousands. Millions. Because it's so damn complex. We don't understand it. We understand simple, complex systems. So we have to say the elements of it, because, all right, as the system breaks down, there are compensating pathways that can, you know, pick up the slack.

59:01 But if you get too many of those pathways dead and gone, it can compensate. So give me an example. You know, I'm just really talking about the ecosystem at large. Like, an example would be, I guess, a particular plant or that, you know, a number of things depend on, say we use a, a pesticide or something that kills it.

59:30 Then all the things that depend on that, I have to find another pathway. Yeah. You're talking about, you know, biodiversity being portant for an ecosystem to be to be healthy. But it might not be the case. What do you mean it's not the case? Would it not be the case? It sure sounds correct. How would it not be the case?

59:49 Look at the biodiversity we have here for this. You go with them. We're walking through it right now. There's people that live inside the inner inner city and never leave it their whole life and hardly ever see a fucking plan and even less wild animal. And they seem to make a life out of it. But then there are other places that grow the food, that bring the things, or that create the chemicals that you know, they eat whatever.

1:00:15 But we we understand the chemistry of all these things happen outside of that person, and there has to be an ecosystem or some sort of complex system to support that thing. The urban dweller, perhaps, perhaps or perhaps not. That's what I'm saying, is that the jury's not in on that, because there's a lot of people that have made all these claims, like, you know, Einstein, it's the bees are gone.

1:00:36 And, you know, we're we're we're doomed. We're next. Yeah. And like I'm saying, does not true. Maybe there's compensating pathways, you know, hey, flies can pollinate things. Other things supporting things. But they don't they maybe don't don't pollinate them to the same level of efficiency or not. And there you know, and we have to look at those ecological niches.

1:00:56 Hey, maybe the bee did have evolved to be a very efficient pollinator. And maybe that's why we need them. Yeah. And maybe we can just genetically engineered plant that doesn't need to be pollinated to propagate. And then we'll only do that for the handful of things we really care about. And then the rest of the biodiversity right, may fall away.

1:01:13 Which could be detrimental to us because we don't understand this complex system enough to really muck with it. But we have to him up with it because we live in it. Right? So not understanding a complex system is not justification for doing anything for or things preserve the system so that we have time for one to understand it to, to gain not, you know, understand and gain knowledge from it, but also to, to allow it to support us like it did before we started messing with it.

1:01:41 So it has to support us better now than it ever has. Has. And right. Because the carrying capacity earth has been increased through our engineering and so why not science and technology? Engineering help preserve these compensating paths, these these elements of the ecosystem that we do understand enough to preserve. Lets preserve them. Yeah. But what I'm saying is that by not preserving it, we've created the maximum, we've created the highest productivity the world has ever seen.

1:02:06 We have by ignoring one thing, but now we have this high productivity and capacity that we can apply to preserving one of the things that got us here. Now we can make an argument that, you know, yes, we but we might be on the highway to hell like this increase in productivity through, you know, fertilizers and modern, you know, agro agro techniques and whatnot.

1:02:28 Right. Might actually be collapsing biodiversity. And and we're still in the sweet spot where it hasn't hit so hard yet. That is not cutting into the productivity. Let's be real, human beings are wholly reactionary when it comes to these big picture things. Right? But again, that's a that's a with for all intents and purposes, we see more technology applied to agriculture.

1:02:48 We see greater productivity, greater yields, higher carrying capacity. And again, that's the swath of the plants we care about. But then we could be killing lots of other things like DDT killed a made bird shell soft and thereby. Yeah. And then there's that Silent Spring book and we adapt it. We we changed the formula because we didn't want to have no birds.

1:03:10 Because we like birds. Yeah, well, the thing we like birds, not only we didn't like birds and we've been great. It's great. Yeah, yeah. If we didn't like birds, we send them annoying. Then we may have just let that part of the ecosystem die off, and we could have even more dire consequences. We could say, hey, it was just a nice secondary benefit of the DDT.

1:03:27 Not only did it get rid of the insects, but it got rid of those fucking birds to Paul the Eagles. No, not the bald eagles.

1:03:37 Not those all the other birds. But wait, the bald eagle. It's a symbol of our country, son. That's right, that's right. We can't get rid of that ball. It was about to be a turkey. It really was. That is so much better. No. I feel like it would've been apropos. Some kind of nasty fucking turkey vulture. Some fucking filth eating wreck, you know, disgusting thing that, like, sticks his head deep inside of a carcass.

1:04:00 You see the skin of the carcass, the height of the carcass, like flapping as it's in there, like a beast of meat. That should be. That should be the symbol for entry, aren't we? Are the. We are the carrying eaters. RNC. Yeah. Carrying we will, we will we will drive forward no matter how bad it is. We'll start going to eat, motherfucker.

1:04:22 Yeah, yeah. Roadkill. So like they have another example, right? So, like, you know, big collateral, secondary effect of automobiles. You know, people get hit by them, bicycle riders get hit by animals, get hit by animals, get crushed by them all the time. Right? People dying, all kinds of car wrecks, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Right. But yet we keep pushing forward because we don't want to give the mobility that cars that seem to offer the majority.

1:04:53 Right. So that's, that's why this thing with like the ecosystem system collapse. Damn right. We should be careful, right? Damn right. We should be studying it along the way. Yeah. You know, but also come to the system that we've relied on and we're part of continually, then we need to be careful of it. But we have to tip our hat to the to the reality that people want to eat their steaks.

1:05:17 Right. And that people don't want to pay a lot for organically grown will have to accept, etc., etc., etc.. Yeah. And so you have to try to balance. Right? The reality is the ideal. Right? Right. You know that's true. Almost everything life it is, it is ultimately you have to say, look, these are my constraints, right? Right. This is the society within which I'm working.

1:05:41 Right? Or this is a team in which I'm working, like right now at work, we've got some people who have not bought into the doctrine of automation do not, do not feel that the promise of it is as great. And a lot of that comes out of the naive and say, right. Yeah. So some I plan to do some education and I also plan to do some demonstration like, hey, you know, that pain point you had that you just thought you had to deal with and you had to make a document about how much it sucked and how to do it.

1:06:10 Right. It's gone now. So why is the corporation spending time getting people in classrooms, talking about their unconscious bias and their hidden racism and their all this stuff? Right. I would argue on one front, I didn't finish the sentence. Oh, sorry. So you didn't get my question. So the company spending all this time and effort, money, energy, right.

1:06:30 Getting their people together, which is really expensive because you're hiring an outside consultant. That's expensive. Right? You're taking the time of your employees, which is you're paying them all, which is expensive. It's money. They offer us a disclaimer when they offer these things like a like a meditation wind down on Friday afternoon. They're like, this shouldn't be done on work time.

1:06:46 It's like you thought, you know. Yeah, that that ties in. You're like, you're just hitting it perfect today. Like you're tying into my next comment, like for. Yeah. Oh, and here's the garbage truck I garbage truck.

1:07:03 We have, we have rediscovered our connection with garbage trucks. And a second one sir, we we we we do do this on purpose or that skill. Yeah. So anyway, they spent all this time, effort, money and energy on this thing, right? And no real true way to measure the results from it. Okay, there's but maybe there's, like, exit surveys, you know, do you feel more enlightened by, you know, blah, blah, blah, which I can tell you.

1:07:30 Wells Fargo employees know. And everybody that just went through the training is going to say yes, because they don't want to flag themselves on anything, or they enjoyed the 15 minutes of not working. Right. And that's that's not a question that's going to be on there. And you can tell somebody there, there, survey questions or their, you know, whatever their annual this or, or whatever is anonymous and nobody's going to ever believe that.

1:07:54 Right. And so you toe the line.

1:08:00 That's so funny. I took a right thinking that we might avoid it because the other one went the other way. All the. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so no one's going to answer it like that. Everyone has to spend at least some degree of like, you know, this might affect me. So they're going to say what they know they need to say.

1:08:16 Right. So anyway, so still no real measurable. You know, you're not get if you create a survey and people feel and you actually get results for that survey, you have to understand those results are not true. Now take right. You bet. Take all that time and energy and effort and put it into a rock solid, scientifically based predicate.

1:08:36 And here's the data, here's the literature. And here's your guide on why veganism is so healthy for you. Okay. And say that this company is working to subsidize a plant based lifestyle. Okay. Okay. Well hey, the science that they do that hater wants from me five days a week that is vegan. So then he can even get hamburger,

1:09:01 So now you're full, but now you can just go home and save money, because then you just get one hamburger on the way to decent lunch. For me, that was vegan. I'd eat it and I'd stay with it. Well, so I'm saying that if you expose rational people that have a reasonably decent IQ to a solid set of information, and you put the corporate weight behind it, right?

1:09:21 No pun intended. But you you put the corporate power behind it in the life of the individual, and all of a sudden you can start to affect real social change. And I'm just saying one of the ways you do that is make it easy for me. Cater my lunch. Fair enough. Maybe they make it a benefit and that's like benefit and that's what they offer summers oldest son.

1:09:41 I mean, that's what they do for them. They want them to be healthier and they're constantly putting forth all these healthy practices. And what they do is they offer healthy snacks and healthy things that are and healthy catering to facilitate all that. And so they they're by changing the health outcome, health disposition of the employees, thereby saving a tremendous amount of money on the health care package.

1:10:06 Well, yeah, they save on the health care package and because they're in less disease. Yeah. And on top of that, they also as a side effect, probably increase productivity and also loyalty. They give you a stipend for your own home garden, you know, up to a certain amount each year anyway to enhance your home guard. And then people would go and take that stipend, put it all into their garden, take a picture, put it on their social media, and they'd put their own money into it.

1:10:30 Right, because they want to have the best one. Yeah. You start this competition, in essence. Best urban garden. Yeah. Now, you, you know, you you take and the details of that and driving that is up for debate. But you could pull it off. Yeah I'm ready to pull it off. But instead here we go back to the the nationalism, the Christian nationalism debate.

1:10:53 Right. Is that in a lot of these companies, you have leadership that's very far left leaning. Okay. So what they do is instead of putting in a good nutrition program, I think they get there were left with anyone that couldn't get the program. Now liberals are just as fat as Republicans. Democrats are just fat as a problem. I'm saying if you're more liberal, aren't you more inclined to, you know, be a vegan and be like, you know, have a have a rescue pet.

1:11:24 Yeah. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So what I'm saying, if you're really if you're giving lip service to those things, then yeah, you won't have the burgers.

1:11:36 But if you do adhere to this thing you push for this sort of programs, I would think you'd think. Right. But when it comes to your selection choice of which program you want to put in. It's irresistible to put in the, you know, ultra woke, you know, you're going to have unconscious bias, you pig races. You know, that's that's irresistible.

1:11:57 You know, to the to that crowd. You know that that that are pulling the strings, you know. And so now you have another conduit. Okay. So the provenance of the media, the preponderance of the school, the College of Education, okay. Percolating down into the lower ranks of education, okay. The media in general, in general. Okay. Newspapers, media across the board, social media as well.

1:12:27 Okay. And your corporate leaders, especially in tech, are all driven by by very left wing people, all of that shit, all those little agendas, all those little programs, everyone's little, little agenda. Okay. Getting pushed. Push push, push push is what creates an expand lifecycle car close to they have a stop sign. That's what creates expand powers. Oh they do on that whole.

1:12:58 That's that's an important point. All those things combined. Right. Scare the shit out of people that want to stay in their own traditional Christian culture. Right? Right. They feel as though they're attacked, assailed by them. They're exactly constantly that their power base is being eroded and I feel attacked by it. You if I'm sitting in a class with my peers and somebody comes in and tells me have unconscious bias, I tell them, speak for yourself.

1:13:28 You have unconscious bias. You tell me what I have. Who the fuck are you? I mean, I get I get where you're coming from. Oh, we all have unconscious bias. Okay, speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. I mean, Chris, it comes down to just like whenever you started examining your own, productivity and your own usage of time, there were things you did not understand until you examined them.

1:13:51 Very true. If the same, that's true. But who did it? Who? Who was in control of that system? Well, yes. There wasn't somebody coming to me and saying, look, Chris, you don't use your time. Well, sure. Okay. But so we have to do this exercise now. I'm not a fucking child. But what I'm trying to say is you might benefit going through that exercise in the same way you benefited from formulating your own test of how efficient you were.

1:14:18 Okay, give me the tool. Give me the tool set. Okay. Give me the means and let you decide to apply it. Then we go ahead, construct your idea of let me create a utopian where I tell everybody what to do. No, but I'm not. I'm not trying to create a utopian to work. Tell everyone to do. You were saying he wanted to create a utopia where you gave people the only these healthy choices, and everything was cordoned off, and they were away from society where they did dumb shit.

1:14:44 No. So what I'm talking about is turning the technology tools that exist on their head, instead of using them to gain information about somebody, and then using that information to advertise it in mostly. Yeah. And then enrich yourself by that information. Right. Turn that around. Enrich and empower and enable the person with the knowledge of yeah, give who they are so who they are.

1:15:05 Give them tools and let them choose to use them or not. Right. Let me uncover my unconscious bias. Let not not some consultant from and let me decide whether or not I want to be vegan or let me decide whether or not I want to do these things. Right. Absolutely. So the the company comes in and shows the science.

1:15:22 That's why I said science, right? When he comes in and shows the science and then the people choose. So it all comes down to you are using these social media channels appropriately, empowering the individual and educating the individual. Okay. Show me the science of unconscious bias. Dude, I want to say it's easy to make my point. All I'm saying is you are.

1:15:42 You have that example there of once you examine your own practices, you realize there were some things you know, but that wasn't correct. It wasn't unconscious. It became it became conscious. When you found out the facts, it was unconscious. So because you had thought you were doing this thing, you were doing something different? No, it's not because, see, in the meta, I understand that I didn't have a strong command over the information, so I need to measure it in order to get that stronger command over the information.

1:16:08 Because I could tell from, from evidence from from data, from things out. Not getting much done as you'd like to get done. Exactly. So I'm like, I must not be thinking of my time, right? So I had reason to believe that I had some type of thing going on that I didn't say whether or not it's things you have the impetus to examine or not.

1:16:27 If there are any major facet of your life, if you were to examine it with tools to measure, then you would come across insights and things you did not realize which that to me, that that blanket statement is absolutely undeniable. 100%. I agree with you. And so I'm going to generate that's in general. But then when we apply it to one specific thing, you object to it.

1:16:51 And I don't understand why you object because I see the science and data backing what this person is claiming. That's so simple, Sean. It's like so stupid, simple. The Zen ism saying, right. It's like when someone comes and presents to science, okay? The science is very good. It's data driven. It's based on lots of information, lots of data that you didn't analyze.

1:17:12 And it's healthier being a vegan. Yeah. Correct. And then you can still choose with that information to say I just prefer the cultural norm of, you know, a high meat diet and I'm going to suffer the health consequences that are now pretty well known. Right, right. It's just like choosing to smoke or not. That's right. And you can also choose to be a racist.

1:17:32 It's going to be a racist current and suffer the social consequences that you can. I think it's become this is trying to get people to explore that. Maybe they're more of a racist cunt on the spectrum than they'd like to be. That's what this is trying to do. Okay, that is totally legit to come at a group of people with statistics backing up how they're systemic racism in our country.

1:17:56 Okay, 100%. There's all types of information in this movement is trying to get them to examine that. Okay. But you don't have to come in and say you are part of the problem because of your unconscious bias. When you have no idea how much unconscious bias I have, you have no way of knowing me. You've just said blanket statement, and the reason they've said it that way is again, it comes into fear.

1:18:20 Oh, I can't be that way. Comes into fear. That's right. And now here's my card. Please refer me to the next corporate meeting. And the thing is, I bet I see it. On the face of it, though, the examination of your bias isn't a bad thing. Now, maybe the way that it's getting impressed upon you is maybe that the people continuously thinking about race all the time and having to come through the media and all these different channels of these ultra liberal left wing channels constantly talking about race to everybody is making fucking racism.

1:18:53 I mean, it's definitely propping it out. And where ever thought about that one? It's probably not some degree. But when you frame everything in terms of race, you're going to think about race much more and become a race that constraints the society we're in. Okay, we all agree racism is a societal construct. Our race and racism are constructs.

1:19:11 That's right now, right? There is no such thing as race. We are all the same species. We can have sex with each other and produce. You bet. That's the science. So, so that's this good starting point in this conversation? Yeah. And ultimately that's where. So. Okay. Present that, present that. Right. Oh, no no, no, sir, I'm so sorry.

1:19:34 Okay. So you present that, you show that you make the statistical like actual scientific case for systemic racism, how it exists in our society. Right. You bring up how the news bifurcates and the government bifurcates everything on race. They talk, everything is talked about. Everything's on race lines because it's convenient to do so, because race lines are a convenient proxy for socioeconomic strata.

1:19:58 Because you're right, you know, I mean, you're right. And so we need to stop doing that. We need to say poor people. Yes. Because guess what? The poor people actually are majority white. There's more numerical poor people that are white, I can attest than there are any other readings from rural Kentucky. And so my friends are the same.

1:20:16 But yet you feel better about yourself if you're a white person. Society is has somehow construed it to where poor is conflated with being black and in in the Hispanic and in the ghetto. Whatever. Right. What's the name of the what's the name of a collection of redneck chanties? What's that? What's that called? See, we call it ghetto when we're talking about a bunch of black people that are poor, living in proximity, each other.

1:20:37 Right. What's the what's the term for when it's like a back country? You know, I don't even know. I'd say a hauler, a trailer park, a fish concert. I don't know, a Burning man, you know. Well, those are people of a different sensibility who choose. No, I know, I just need to just take it. Right. Yeah, but. So the whole thing about the unconscious bias and the whole thing, I do see a thread of where there's some good sensibilities there and some good motives.

1:21:03 Yeah, that's. What if they're not if it's not scientifically, if it's not backed by science and data and rationality, okay. Then it's putting people in a bad situation so they're not throw the baby out with the bathwater and take the good things and then back them. I tried them, I thought we were doing that. I thought we were just doing that.

1:21:21 We're saying, okay, let's start with, yeah, let's start with these premises, right? And say what we're trying to do is get people to be more mindful about some, some ideas that have kind of been ingrained in us through society and the way society and starts to think beyond that. And we're going to unearth and uncover more. The more we examine things with the correct set of tools.

1:21:41 That's how we and so I'm, I'm saying straight up, these are clearly not the right set of tools because they're not predicated on science and data and they're not producing. And there you go. That's who. They're not producing that. That's the thing. If there were the right set of tools and the right set of processes, or at least close to them, that we could continue to refine because we're never going to have the right set, but we're on the right track, we're going to be producing more data and more to the positive, to the negative.

1:22:06 That's right. What's killing? What's killing black and white people? And however we divide people up, men and women, whatever kind of way you want to classify people. And we have to classify people. We're humans. What you do that you go and make those categories, but then you look overarching and you say, what's killing us? Diabetes and heart disease.

1:22:23 Yep. Okay. So the fucking corporation all the way down to the media and all the way down to the government should all be talking about that and talking about your unconscious bias to pick up the fucking hamburger, not your unconscious bias that you're a racist, racist, fucking asshole bigot. And you're and you should be ashamed of yourself if we fix if we look at things in the totality, like you said, look at what what affects us all rather than what divides us.

1:22:49 What affects us because what affects us is what can potentially unite us. And so if we all say we're in the same boat, these same things are happening to us then and we are working together, this single minded thrust to fix it, then? Yeah, we fix the other problems too, right? So if someone comes in, this is why I take reservations.

1:23:14 Someone comes in and says, oh, you write their white guy, 48 years old, about before nine years old. Oh pigeonhole me. Right. You're you're you've been absorbed the diet your whole life of racism. And you have an unconscious bias all throughout you. You just don't even realize it. We're going to help uncover something that. Okay. Yeah. I turn around, say, fuck you, speak for yourself.

1:23:34 You don't know the first goddamn thing about me, right? My child goes to a all almost all black school. Yeah, white kid goes to where? He's an immersion school. Immersion school where he's dramatically in the minority. Yeah, they call him cracker and white bitch all the time. And I have to deal with that. I have to mitigate that for him.

1:23:52 Okay? He does not say anything back, racially motivated or anything. I constantly am explaining in terms he can understand that it's just something that it's a passing phase and all these kids are going to grow out of it. And Sarah. Senator, right, right. A majority of my fucking charity efforts that I put so much of my fucking heart and soul into actually services people that are considered minorities.

1:24:16 Yeah. Okay. Every day I'm doing something that is, is working towards helping people. And they just happen to be in the majority minority. Yeah. Okay. Fuck you that you have the fucking racist, unconscious bias motherfucker, right. What are you doing? Yeah. You're coming around spending more ideas about race. I'm doing everything I can to not spread ideas about.

1:24:38 That's the thing I and that's I, I agree, I feel like it's the wrong approach and it's the wrong set of tools and, but I feel like we can benefit from critical examination. We can't. We always can. It's always valid to to critically analyze. But don't come in and indict me. Right. There we go. There we go. Okay.

1:24:57 So there to and I guess I just don't I look at it like okay, they said that to draw me in. And I still have the choice to either participate in this or just give them love, service and do whatever they'd like and do. This is over. Someone that's on my side, okay, and loves me and knows who I am and gives me constructive criticism.

1:25:19 I will take that to the fucking bank. I will, I will grow tremendously from it. Okay, I'll I'll question them at first. Why do you say that? I want to know why they're saying, well, you want to understand bounds of the criticism. You want to understand where it came from, and you want to see, you know, you care enough about the person's opinion to further query, to examine.

1:25:40 That's right. And then I'll do my analysis of what they said, because I trust that data point. It's come from someone third person perspective person that a perspective they have myself they spent that social capital to tell you that's right because they love me. Yeah. And tell me that because they want to see me tear them down. They want they want to see me be better.

1:25:56 Yes. And legitimately, realistically, they took a risk telling the consultant that comes in and tells me I have an unconscious bias, does not have any investment in you. Exactly. They have an investment in their their program that possibly moving the needle on a corporate level. That's right. Secondarily, like you said, their program and getting that program continued money.

1:26:19 That's right. Now, if they if they were bringing this program to the corporate space and they were paying for it with them selves from their own charity fundraising, and if they were actually, paying the company a stipend for the time of the employees. Right. That's a whole totally different thing. That's a level of investment and commitment that we just wouldn't see.

1:26:41 Right. So what they're doing instead is they're selling another version of this snake oil witchcraft bullshit, Reiki palm reading nonsense. Okay, not back by data. Not back. We're not verifiable. Yeah, they're selling a panacea. They're selling something that will cure all. Exactly. And it really does. It creates divisions instead of cure. Yeah. I'm glad you finally agree with me.

1:27:04 And I've convinced you. I'm glad. No, I mean, it's fucking around. I, I agree with you on certain aspects, but like I said, I know you see what I'm saying? It's different. Yeah. Now, like, oh, you're much more open minded to some nose than I am. No, no you are Shawn. I'm. No, I'm being dead serious right now.

1:27:22 We're trying to say I was dad. I was just trying to say when I approached it. We can say that there are certain things that I'm close minded to, and there are certain things I'm close minded to. Yeah, but even general, I think, are more open minded across the board. But see, when it comes to, skepticism. See, I've closed the door on something and there's a reason to open it.

1:27:41 Yeah, because I have to have a focused mind. You need a preponderance of evidence rather than just spreading yourself so thin. And my goal of my mind on that, definitely. I want to get something done in my life. I have some fucking goals and I want to accomplish. Right. And if I go down every fucking rabbit hole of latest, latest craze.

1:27:59 Hold this crystal, hold this rod, hold this, hold this. Right. Here we go again. Oh, you know, you know, here's your chakra. Here's your, you know, all this stuff where there's no data. No. Guess what I meditate. You know why? Because there's data that the mindfulness that comes through meditation is very productive for you, very healthy for you.

1:28:19 It helps your heart. It helps your mind. It helps your soul. Yeah. It helps holistically get you more motivated to do what you want. So guess what I might say because there's data to set this, that it's valid. And you want to be a self-actualized person. There you go. But if someone says, oh, I can see your aura, I'm not going to be.

1:28:34 Oh, really? How much do I have to pay for you to tell me what's wrong with me? Yeah, just like the person comes in and says, you have an unconscious bias. Oh, really? How much do you have to pay to make him make me right now? I have that unconscious bias. Yeah. Follow me. Yeah. I mean, I get that, and I guess I was just saying, I.

1:28:51 I think we benefit from the idea. Just different tools and different approaches. But let's use the idea and it's also the hot chick selling the unconscious bias class to everybody too. And they have they use that. They use that shtick part of it so that no one's questions it that that whole thing we talked about originally to bring the conversation full circle.

1:29:10 Right? Right. Hot chick. Flat earthers. Cool. I really enjoyed that conversation. That was really fun.