Food Ethics, Morals & Marketing
What would you do for 10 million dollars? Would you break your kneecaps? At what point do your morals take precedence over money? Join us on this freewheeling and darkly humorous adventure, as a group of friends discuss everything from veganism and food ethics to absurd marketing and moral lines. Along the way, we also discuss morality, fears as a father, and uncomfortable truths we try to avoid. This chaotic mix of confessions, philosophical insights, and jokes you probably shouldn't share at dinner is both darkly funny and insightful. Disclaimer: This episode contains graphic discussions of animal processing and sensitive topics. Listener discretion is advised.
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And, you know, areas that we I mean, in that area, we previously found smashed motorcycle helmets or dead animals or. Okay, no. And this area has neither of those. Okay. What's non-sequitur? The emergence of things. This is more the gentrified side. I gotcha. So it's saying like that, tail end of our walk, yesterday, I'm saying that how we should, talks about oil.
Let's talk about veganism, vegans, and a new little wrinkle in the argument that I heard recently, perhaps from Ted Nugent. And I'm not sure, but I don't know where it came from. That's fucking non-sequitur. Ted Nugent talking about vegans. Jesus. Well, how about you talking? You're right. Talking shit against against vegan. I mean, yeah, but you're talking about in support of veganism, right?
No, no, no, this is like no, no, no, no, this would be not in support of okay. So the idea is that the, the tilling of the field, right. The, the, the mechanical tilling of the field and the chemical sprays on the field to make the, the, the, you know, non-animal crop, right? In the process of doing that kills hundreds, if not thousands of small, you know, surface dwelling creatures when they plow the field, it just mangles them.
And the pesticides killing, who knows, untold numbers of, you know, different birds and, you know, other animals. Yeah. Birds and the bees. And so the idea is like the process of meaning you no longer have your vertebrae or your beard to be up. We got to do it soon. Do it. Yeah. So the premise is that the, actual manufacturing or processing of the land, right, to create, you know, crops, vegetables, is quite murderous to many, many, many animals.
Yeah. And so that yeah, definitely fills up the topsoil, kills a lot of things. Kill some birds, kills bees. There we go. Yeah. Just like the process of of preparing a field for vegetable crops. Right? Supposedly kills an untold number of mammals. Yeah. Actual animals. And so it's not. It's just something I'm not so sure. It's very interesting.
It's not something that many vegans would think about. Right. In the process of wanting to. Because obviously they think about a the plants, they don't think about the mass production and shipping and all of those add on effects that it takes to be able to go to whole Foods and buy it. Sure. So at the end of the day, there's, you know, I guess the best thing you could do to to combat that would be to have like, hey, until soya only with in community gardens, you know, you don't have to worry about shipping it in but to to to to yeah.
Urban farming you know only type city. Yeah. Community gardens slash urban for us summers. Friend Steve. He's working now for a nonprofit that that's what they do. Urban gardens. It's, it's run by this Orthodox Jewish guy. I've heard this other idea, too, of, like, only eating, like the seeds of plants till like, because you don't even want to harm plants.
Yeah. Like eating. You know, obviously it's some extreme, but it's still intellectually interesting. Right? For, like, how different approaches and different things. And then taking in the duration, the variables and the different things. You can't tell me you get the macro nutrients you need out of a seed. I'm not sure. Well seed would have a ton of nutrients in it.
You know, it's. Yeah, but you you the nutritional profile can't be the same as full grown plant. I wouldn't say like, I think it'd be better, actually, because if the plant concentrates nutrients in it, I mean, a whole new plant can grow from that. I mean, I understand that it's it's specific to growing that plant, like, for food.
What helps health and growing. Exactly. And whatever's in that seed is just the fuel to grow that plant. It's not a human fuel. It's let's grow a plant. Oh, sure. It's like, eggs, you know, like. Yeah, like chicken eggs are very nutrient dense. You think about it. I mean, an entire new baby chick can emerge from that thing.
Well, sure. And, you know, we are built to process that nutrient richness. But I'd imagine plant seeds wouldn't give us everything that the equivalent of the chicken seed gives us. Yeah. I'm not sure. And then the counter counter argument to the, you know, anti vegan thing here with the killing animals to tell the fields is that the, the animals are killed to till the fields to grow crops for, for animals to eat livestock.
So so that would be like a double whammy right. So the still eating the plants directly is way less of an impact to animals than eating the meat. Interesting. No food for thought. No pun intended.
Right. Yeah. I mean, sure, it just, I don't know. It's. It it's something people don't consider when he they say it's more eco friendly. They're becoming a vegan or, which dairy? Exactly. I mean, the other kind of interesting aspect two would be the nutrient density of food. So, like, if you were to grow, food in a very particular way to make sure that that naturally has the largest amount of nutrient density in that particular thing.
So, like, what is the most, what is the best tomato that you could ever have? Right. Right. Like maybe some kind of heirloom seed tomato grown in optimal soil would be the equivalent of eating 20, you know, store bought tomatoes that are factory farmed, and you'd have to test that out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. What's that?
More like a I mean, what, that more or less would cut more of that. Yeah. So there's this, like, idea that maybe a lot of the reason people overeat is the food is so nutritionally void in general that people's bodies are just perpetually hungry because they're always nutrient deprived. Right. So it's all matter. You might have bulk in your stomach and a lot of calories in the food, but you you've not gotten much of the nutrient is, interesting that you should have had.
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And was producing food that was nutritionally devoid. Yeah. Right. I mean, from what I understand, this is actually a long term issue because to a lot of the fields that have grown, sprouts are now 100 year old or more in many cases. So the idea is that they prop up the growth cycle of the plant with all types of fertilizers and artificial means, but the actual plant itself is terribly nutritionally void.
Well, this is this wasn't even growing plants. She was creating, you know, where a company would create chicken nuggets. Oh, okay. There weren't food. It had no nutrition. Right. Right. You know. Yeah. I mean, there's there's plenty of cases where you can eat certain types of food. Puts bulk in your stomach, but there's just nothing there. Yeah. And it was that idea taken to the inside.
Agree. You know, like eating air. Eating the functional equivalent of air. Yeah. Like it's just got something in your stomach. But not getting anything out of it. And you know, the the the more from what I understand, the more processed a food is. The, the, you know, each each step in the processing ruins even more and more nutrient.
Right. So, like, you know, a piece of cake might have egg and flour and all this kind of stuff in it, but once it's processed to that point and baked and all that, when it comes out the other side, it's basically, you know, there's nothing left. Right. Like the chemical bleaching of, of, sugar, for example. And.
Yeah. Or flour and or flour and whole thing strips almost every bit of nutrient away. Even decaffeinated beans. Yeah. So what'd you say? Yeah. Decaffeinated beans. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck that shit. Yeah. It's still not even close to the idea of that one coffee. That's like, from the from the monkey shit. The civet cat shit. Yeah. The other one where the cat swallowing it.
Is there one with a monkey tooth? Yeah. It was like, like monkey cat. I don't know, like saying eats it and then shits it out and they scoop it up and people take it out of the crap and make coffee out of it. Yeah. I'm not so sure about that. It's by that animal's digestive system. I'm not so sure I'd be lining up for that.
My brother tried it. Well, you know, it might take. I might taste it and think, oh, this is delicious coffee. And then they tell me the process. Oh, my God, I managed to, Well, ugly enough. I think the reason he tried it is because of the process. Well, everyone has their own way. Yeah. But I'm just really not interested in something that's in feces.
I'm not here. I'm not. You hear me? Sam, would you try? You definitely try. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Would you sip upon this coffee? Well. Get it. Okay. You're blowjob with. From a lady with the beard of beef. Yeah, sure. All right. All right. There's women and children that visit our podcast. Y'all come up.
To the bud. Well, they're all women after today. And there's almost like.
Yeah, and they laugh. And then every beep. 2023 our goals for the podcast is to see how many, listeners we can. The strange like, let's see if we can get a podcast that has zero listener because this is part of the you know, we we're working towards a goal of see if we can make a podcast literally with zero.
Isn't it?
I mean, that would be unique. And we're going to lose all of our sponsors. Oh. Wait, that means I would just stop doing the podcast.
That charitable thing. Did you see the couple interviews we have there? Yeah. Yeah. People love us. Yeah, and they said we were brilliant. Yeah. You gotta we gotta step up the game. Now in 2023, you gotta, gotta really step it up. Gotta get out of the studio. Start actually walking. Yeah, that's the perennial joke, Sam. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. The thing is, nobody knows which way the joke is. Are we really in the studio? Joking. We're walking a walk or freezing our asses off, walking through dimly lit neighborhoods and crossing our fingers that nobody's trying to jump us. You know, we need six people on this podcast just for safety at number. But like, yeah, yeah, we need to give you credit because, that scream that Sean did earlier was just exquisite.
Oh, you give it back. Give him a deal. Wow. Like you couldn't produce that sound in the studio? Yeah, it's our own that. Yeah. We were like, dude, on this exotic thing, like, with washboards and breaking celery and shit to try to emulate the sound.
Of it better than the real thing. That's right. Like the 23 filters on that to emulate a patella snapping fracture. You know, would have been, like, really more cost effective to, like, find someone really willing to let us break the patella than all that. All the money we spent on the special effects to emulate sound, to emulate what it's true for.
Oh, how much money would you take for someone to shatter your philosophy? Yep yep yep, that sounds about right. It's not even like one of those things that you could take on and say, like, oh, with all that money, I'll be able to afford the therapy now. All right. So it's like, you know, some people would take on perhaps something that's extremely emotional, traumatizing for enough money because they just justify it by saying, oh yeah, after I do it, I'll be able to afford the therapy to just get over it, right?
Right. And then have a hell of a lot of money left over. Yeah, yeah, it sounds worth it. But I don't know if you can kind of recover from the pain and suffering of, like, a baseball bat to the kneecap. Snap. I would do it for the me dollars. And how do I finish the barrel on? Okay, do my therapy.
Nobody will say. So you have to add in and all of these ridiculous constraints, right? Like, you know, painkillers for, for one month or, you know, you have to go to order to buy how to bear it, like you're not. All right, all right. Well, not that much. Well, what if they said, okay, you can have the 10 pounds of marijuana.
It comes out of your 10 million. Fine. Whatever. Okay. All right, come on. 10 pounds of marijuana, in contrast to a million can be. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, but they're saying, hey, I'm not paying extra. Yeah.
That's why it's like the funny joke that I've heard guys play on girls before asking them like, you know, what? Did you do this for a certain amount of money? Like, you know, would you do something terribly sexual for, you know, $100,000 or whatever, right? Right. You know. Oh my God, no. Right. It's like, that's disgusting. I'd never do that.
And they say they start giving. Yeah. Then they say, well, would you you know, I'm do this terrible sexual thing for $1 million, you know, whatever. Eventually they just keep going up in price until this person says, well, yeah, I couldn't I don't think I could, could not do it for that right now. And then the joke becomes, oh, well, now that well, how about an RV $72?
Oh, right. Now that we've established that you're a whore, let's negotiate down your price. Is the joke, right? Yeah, yeah, but the offer is, you know, and this joke could be applied to anyone for trying not to offend anyone. Because, I mean, the whole idea is everybody has their price. That's the joke. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I guess for a certain dollar value, a lot of people compromise, maybe even some hard ethics.
I mean, yeah, I would imagine that there are a lot of things I would do for a lot of money. But, you know, I'd like to think there's some things I wouldn't do for any of that. Yeah. Okay. So so to throw in all seriousness into this, so is is really just, someone's ethical reservation, just a temporary thing or a fleeting thing or something that, you know, is, is they're absolutes.
You know, probably probably not, I don't know. You know, it may not I do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, certain things are just so beyond the pale that you really can't consider them. And that depends on the person. I mean, everybody has their absolute limit. Like me. You'd be like, I was at duty. Darn sure. Okay. So, like, going really dark on you.
How about this? You know, would you, would you off yourself for, what they say un alive yourself. These, you know, would you do this for, your family to get, you know, $1 billion? I'd have to say no, no, no, it doesn't. Right on it. Yeah. Be interesting. You saying $1 billion? Yeah, I'd have to say no, because there's no way I can check up on that situation.
I'm on a life myself. They don't necessarily say, you know, oh, you have guarantees in place, you know, money. The money's in escrow. Yeah, yeah. I'm good. I'm going to keep living. All right, I like it. I like, I have that. Oh, yeah. Yep. So an attempted suicide. Yep. So there's so there's really no in that that you would do that for, like the charm.
There's no real. I've fought way too hard on myself for an arbitrary number. So. But at the end of the day, what you're saying is there is really no price. Yeah, not for that guy, but probably lots of other things. Interesting. So there are limits to this idea prospect. Yeah. It doesn't proposal type prospect. Yeah I think so.
I mean like like Sam he would under no circumstance harm or child right there.
Interesting. Well, what if it became, discovered that you were doing something that indirectly does harm children? It's that mean instantly. Stop doing that thing. How bad is it? Like, for example. Good point. The there are armies of children that are artesian miners, in cobalt mines right now on this planet, that are all multi level faceted away from the the main corporation that's benefiting from the lithium or.
Right. So okay Tesla pay some point. Yeah. It wasn't going to defame anything because you know what what what his audience is expand a and yeah you don't really want to have a defamation suit on her. You know. So, you know, the point is it's like richest man out there. Yeah. As soon as it's discovered, let's say as soon as it's discover.
Uncover. Good evening. Soon as it's uncovered or discovered that you have, you know, you're participating obviously downstream as a consumer, but you're participating in some, some terrible thing, right? Do you then immediately, like, sell that vehicle or say, or. It's hard to say. Right. Well, I we're as human beings, we're great at rationalizing things, especially when it's a few steps removed from us.
Yeah, I've been saying that same thing. Like once you abstract 1 or 2 layers away, ethics kind of disappears. Yeah, it's. Well, it's kind of hard to feel the sting of, you know, when you're not directly or secondarily responsible. Once we get the tertiary or quaternary effects, it's like, not even in most people's imagination. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
So that's interesting because we have the technology right now clearly to kind of follow all the way to original source, every product that we consume. Right. You can imagine like a QR code on pretty much any product. And you hit that on that. It brings it to a page. It shows you exactly every step of that product. We need fully implemented blockchains and sidechains for, provenance and, you know.
Yeah. Tracking. Yeah. You can do like, you know, you take a picture of that, you scan the QR code on a, on a pound of bacon. Right. And it's got all these little faces of traces all the way back to the receipt, a pig. Yeah, it's got all the faces of the all the pigs that are in that, in that, in that container.
Yeah. It's like this is six different pigs. They're heirloom, variety. Like mother of 30. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Searcy. Mother of 30. Yeah. The. And then you scan over, it's like, yeah, scan the whole, you know, the face and see all the faces flashed. Yeah. You see all the family tree of the thing that was right.
And that it's crying like a statue and, like the tears are actually animated, like the rolling out of its eyes onto to make it. Making the posters, making the baking more moist. Of course, it's an integrated component which is moistened via pig TV. Yeah. And there's certain people that would like that make that would sell much better.
Hello. I feel like with the way they kind of like.
Like harvest the Pigs now it's humane. Like, they'll. You really know what's going on. Really? You think? Oh, yeah. So I used to work, one of the phrases. I think that if you worked at a slaughterhouse, your idea about life and death struck the other to some extent, I'm sure. But, like, you're the person that, like, for eight hours a day is slitting throats, but.
Well, so I it's not like that anymore. And if something's done the wrong way, that doesn't have to be that way. I thought you need to. Well, I'm saying it's not. It's done in. If they do it, if something happens inhumanely, don't they stop the line? Yeah, they definitely stop it. Yeah, but I mean, they incapacitate them like, knock them out, maybe lead them into a little chamber.
They'd put their head in a thing where they can't move, and then a bolt comes down and hits them in the head in maximum conscious. Right. And then they string them up on their back hooves and slit their throats and let the blood drain out with its heart still beating. Yes. Absolutely. Meat's not tainted. Yeah. Okay. And so, like I said, you're that guy slitting the throats for eight hours a day.
Mean you can't even have a weird. You'd have a different idea about what? Like by machine now, right. So you watch it. Is it. It is no place to throw it. You know, it's clearly like. Because, you know, the dynamics. I think it'd be hard. I mean, you get to capitated with the machine. Sure. Okay. Well, it's like you got to know where to cut.
Okay, so it's a choice, but if you do it, is it you get a different physiological response. Like the heart might stop. So by slitting its throat, the heart keeps beating its own blood out. You know the blood. Sorry for anyone listening to stuff, but I think this is how it really happens. Yeah. And, so interestingly, you can imagine, like, that's your job eight hours a day, you'd have to have some kind of different idea towards mean.
Yeah. You are life and death executioner. Rate of, semi sentient being there. Yeah. And your and your performance metrics is like how many throats you slit neck? You know, just like in your hunting. Suppose you feel animal. Doesn't mean you have to still be thankful for it. And you can have respect and you can have an understanding of what it provides.
Yeah, I agree, but what I'm getting at is like scale. So like if you have a deer in your sights and it's the first time that you've ever, you know, gone hunting, you're like trembling right to like pull that trigger, you know, and then you deer, you hit the thing that flops all over the place and runs and dies, you know, and you follow the blood trail to the corpse.
So let's say you were an Indian, you know, 250 years ago out on the plains, killing, you know, you might catch in a good lifetime a few hundred, right? Yeah. But, you know, somebody with their thousand dollars of gear and rifle, you know, it's that thing with mastery of ammo and whatnot up in a tree stand. You know, blowing away deer the first time.
Yeah. You're going to have a certain connection. Maybe you feel like it's almost spiritual, but then when you've killed your, you know, 300th deer that season. Yeah, right. You got a crop damage permanent. So you're out there like blowing them away like Armageddon. You know, band of brothers having another. I think at that point you have just have a different mentality towards it.
It's like going out to harvest. So most. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You're just reaping. But, I mean, sure. I'm sure it affects your psyche and affects, you know, what you're doing. But, These, key performance metrics in factories are definitely dehumanizing. No matter the factors. And I guess it doesn't even have to be a slaughterhouse for having to be dehumanized, right?
Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, but the point remains is that there's a there's a technological means available to us right now in 2023 where we can connect the full product production mechanisms from, you know, earth mining all the way down to the finished product. Right? Or if it's a food commodity, you know, the farm all the way down to the processing center and all the way to your plate, you know, but there's, I don't think, a high enough consumer demand for that type of reality to unfold.
So like, for example, who wants to take the QR code on the bacon and see the cow or see the pig? I think it would be great. Who wants to take a snapshot of the hamburger? Patty, ground beef and see three different, right. Like, you know, I don't think so. I don't think you let us see Joel and Ephraim.
Same you. Luke, you go back. Okay. Great idea. You're the leader. So I don't think that the the industry either would like people to know. And maybe. But maybe that's not what you provide. Maybe you don't provide the picture of the cow, but you could say, hey, this firm, this on this day. Yeah, this farm. And here's the picture of the same family farm that that you're supporting, the right that you do that kind of shit that's going to pull the strings and make him feel like they're to farm.
They're dealing with local farms. Boy, that's a that's a way to abstract the reality. Right? Yeah. Like you're not you're not killing and consuming. You're supporting. Yeah. Absolutely. You're creating now and not destroying this market. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So far I heard you say it before. You know, to the gazelle. The cheetah is fucking devil is evil, right?
Sanction and to the to the cheetah. The gazelle is, you know, just wonderful is its food. You know, it's a motherfucking bounty is necessary. It's, you know, it's very interesting. So there's a the ultimate idea of perspectives of good and evil. Yeah, yeah. You know, the, the law amongst the gazelles of those cheetahs are absolutely pure evil incarnate, right?
Yeah. Well, it's funny, like a Star Wars. Don't be ruled by the apple, Norman people. The true. And they explored that a little bit in Clone Wars and they know that, you know, really they were just kind of made to do this thing and yeah, that's the whole, Darth Vader's fall to the dark side encapsulates the whole idea, right?
He's like, to my mind, the Jedi are evil because he's seeing the corruption and the power hungry ness of the Jedi. Right? And their faults, their failures, their fault. They're not as pure as they actually, they are, you know, and so, you know, he may have really gone a little bit far with the happy, but he, you know, it does showcase how, corruption can ruin something good, especially in the minds of people.
Value money is an issue. It just doesn't think about. So it doesn't take too much awkward solution, I don't care. Yeah, okay. All right. It doesn't take too much, evidence or, I guess, uncovered, examples of corruption for someone to really lose faith in something else. A person or an entity, you know. So how many, how many times that someone cheat in a relationship until the other person is completely lost, right?
Yeah, yeah. The person 99% of the time, person could be doing the right thing with the right intentions, and then they'll just make mistakes here and there. And next thing you know, there's just it never can be. Recover it once it gets to a certain point where like you know, you're partner, your Orthodox Jewish family and your partner keeps eating bacon.
Well, he's supporting a farmer, right? It's the only farmer have is also be joking. Oh. Yes. Jesus, man, I just couldn't handle that. Like that would be the end of the religion for me. It'd be like what? I can't combine two of the most delicious things upon the face of the earth. What are you talking about? Bacon.
And what? Meat and cheese. Oh, meat and cheese. Okay. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to have one separate place after eat one hours before the other, and so, so, so the the dead flesh covered in the process. Life giving lactate of another of of another animal. Yes. To accent it. Absolutely. That's, that's the kind of sickening point, like I said that way.
I mean, that's a salivating I mean, I'm definitely solving for or not. It brings it down to its barriers to facts. Yeah. It's it's a processed, product of lactation, you know? Hell, it might even be as fancy as some motherfucker in a French cave. Made this cheese and spent months upon months making it and then years aging it.
Yeah. Okay. There you go. There you go. So now we abstract it that in that, paradigm, that perspective, we abstract it down to art. All right. So bottle of whispering local. We're supporting local artisans. Yeah. So you can imagine like this almost matrix style level of convolutions. You're clever marketing and you're abstracting things. Oh totally away from what they really are into some other fork.
Right. Causing people to decide to make all kinds of decisions. Or I guess you can call them consumer choices way outside the boundaries of their nature, who they actually are as a person. Right? Because of the view they've been fed upon on the products that they're buying and consuming? Yes. Right. So like cultural norms, cultural appropriation, you know, etc. combined with really clever marketing combined with abstraction from the reality of what something really is right is always presented in a different form, like the baloney is just packaged as something that's in plastic round discs or whatever.
We also have Lebanon Baloney created by the Amish. And, you know, it's, a million of different meats with the highest to pull out. Of course, of course. Couldn't possibly be just scraped off the water, you know. So I mean, yes. Walrus for us scraping. Yum. Well, in the age old kind of saying you know, don't ask you don't want to know how the sausage is made type thing.
That's true. So you know, hear hear it. Okay. There's an example. Sausage right. Kind of the scrapings off the cutting board. All right. More or less. Right. Force inject pressurized injected into the cleaned intestines of another animal of maybe the same in the more. Another animal. Right. Yeah. And then, Yeah. Sold and consumed. Purchased and consumed.
Holy crap. Yeah. In many cases. Highly regarded. Yeah. I mean, or or, I guess cheese. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, just it's just the fact that there's a term like, so, you know, it's called sausage. It's not called scrapings from the cutting board, you know, blah blah blah. Ramjet it into an intestine. Yeah. It's not called that. It's called this nice new benign word sausage.
You need to go buy some plastic in there. Well, I, I think fossil fuel know. Good. See, we have the perspective of a person who was right there with modern practice. You like to get the the theory, grind up, and then then because it was the way to find out if you like spinach. So it'd be, you know.
Right. So many 37, 60, 60, 40, whatever. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And then I guess it doesn't have to be, natural casing. It could be a synthetic, right? Because that's what it is most of the time. Yeah. Like for the work that they were so clean. Do like, I have no qualms with crews working there because they treated handled with respect.
If I even was like even having like, like fig wiggled wrong when they tried to kill it. The EPA was their own site. Well, they wiggled right like that, you know, wriggly, wiggly. All right. Well, that's crazy, I mean, yes, there are definitely sketchy places I've heard of, like this place. See their butchering cow? There's dumping. So the blood of the river.
Ooh, ooh. It is, messed up. Everybody is like, leeches into the whales and the water table. Wow. Like old whales. Geez. It's like bait. Then it goes into the baby formula, and you got babies popping up with mad cow. Oh, that's a crazy, weird, blood borne illness. Shit like, who knows what. Well, blood borne illnesses, prion based diseases.
It's long before them to the authorities, an FBI, whoever, a helicopter. They only had 11 full years on file the part. A lot of slang for who? Like 300 police to ice raided them. They bust like 220 illegals working there. Oh that's nuts. Yeah. And all because of the blood going into the river type thing. Yeah. Just. Yeah.
If you have organs, isn't there, isn't there some type of. There's got to be. I'd have to look it up. But is there something kind of like thing that you can make from the blood, like, yeah, you can make blood pudding, you make blood sausage, you can do a lot of different. All the plays, all work that they just they said that they had a water treatment plant and they put the blood in there, cycle the blood out like from water.
And before they pump it back into the city, it was clear the city's water. Oh. So there was a process to transform it into something inert and a kind of idea. Wow. Gotcha. That's crazy, because I mean, hey, what is mostly water? Yeah, I guess if you it's very close to the formulation to see water. Also, like the blood from the kill floor.
Yeah, yeah. Like all the whatever else is in there, like. Yeah. You probably heat it up and like, you know, mix it with a peroxide solution and then, you know, yeah, I'm sure that you can denature it to where it's totally in the DNA to the protein these few days absorb fall out. Yeah. The trash saw just awesome.
Okay. But the plan worked out like nothing with the waste on the on the hog. The heart is going to send to the hospitals for an universities for studying. And you just got sent off for some other thing, I think. So lots of car manufacturers for seats, Dog toys. The. Yeah, the the ears. Yeah. Like pig's ear I think is a treat for dog.
Well, yeah. I mean you can get a, you can definitely not have to go through too many before you find some that are tattooed. I like the whole process of gelatin. It's like, oh, that stuff. Wow. So nothing on the hog went to waste. Yeah. So I was thinking there'd be some tables useful purpose for the right sides.
Dump it in the river. They were just being lazy. It lazy river. I like the red lazy river. It's blue. The, Rio de marinara. Oh, yeah. Wow. Okay. Menstrual stream. I was in Florida, in Saint Augustine, and, there's an area area called the Matanzas, I think is. And in essence, that means in Spanish. The killing or the slaughter and basically, the Spanish had slaughtered something like 300 Englishmen.
Oh, no, sir, Frenchman. And the rivers ran with blood for, like, three days, according to a priest that was there. Yuck. The sin wine. Yeah. Valley. Right. It's like. Yeah, every single nation has a pretty nasty, nasty thing to think of that yuck. You should go back to non sequitur. No. So. So, this this idea of this abstraction is kind of the theme that I was looking for here is that, you know, it's not just the food supply, for example.
It would be so many artifacts of our culture, right? Make it kind of abstracted away and blurred from there to what they what it truly is and, and market it and soften the language and all this to make it to where not only is it is is accepted by society but desired, you know, like it's for example, let's say, for example, firearms.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, a pistol, a handgun is for, you know, ending ending life, right. Good evening. Yes, a great on. Yeah. So a handgun is, by all intents and purposes, it's a tool for killing, right. Like a killing tool to kill people. Right? Unless, I mean, unless you guys come up with another reason. Fucking handguns for.
I mean, for the most part, it's still, you know, kill another human being wants to kill you because they have one as well, right? I mean, you know, and so there's all this, like, you know, language in our culture and all this softening the marketing thing, like, you know, marketed for protection and marketed, but, you know, all the stuff that makes it then, very palatable.
Like, you can, you can say, oh, yeah, that makes sense. I don't well, holy shit. First time we got greed today in the in reverse too, like she initiated. Yeah, it's kind of weird. Like like yell to her. Ever come back? The interviewer on the phone said, get her name? Yeah. Interviewer on the podcast. Like, did you take your meds or are you just, like, completely different person they will usually encounter?
So it's like, hey, euro bias. So can I ask you a racially ambiguous and, yeah, we, so maybe the gun thing is not a good example I'm talking about when we think of something else that, like in our society, is really bizarre, but it's okay. Like alcohol. Here we go. That was a good one. So, you know, alcohol.
Let's let's go and get a cocktail. Right. Hey, what do you say we go knock back a cold one? Yeah, yeah. Wait, so that language sounds kind of much more appealing then, you know, do some beers and take in tons of liquid calories and, you know, poison ourselves and, you know, risk cause her lovers to have to fill their own.
Let's do crazy. Want to make us like there say. Yeah, right, right, right, right. And so the reality of what it is, is playing a B on our way to cirrhosis of the liver. Yeah, right. Right. And then of course, the next throw from there is that all those years tobacco's so prevalent. Right. And let's go have a smoke.
Let's go blah blah blah. Right. So it's like the softening of the language in the, in the, the appeal of the clever language ties into making something look different than what it really is. And I think it kind of comes down to this. I think we can make a time here that whenever the most softening the language happens is generally in relation to a vice, generally into something that people enjoy indulging in, enjoy having, you know, that gives people pleasure.
So they're going to soften it and marketed it heavily so that you are abstracted away from the reality of it and you can truly enjoy it. So okay, so then the absolute champion of every fight has to be the food industry, right? Has to be has to be like we're talking about with the baloney package. Like, I saw this one thing, HBO or something, did a documentary talking about, transforming people in the city to understand more or less talking about, urban gardens and the gardens and stuff, and like, teaching kids in the inner city like what an eggplant is like, not the emoji, but an actual desert soldier.
Yeah, I have a roof. We can actually actually educate kids as to what. Yeah, okay. Which is and so they bring in these like boxes of vegetables and holding them up one by one and asking the kids, what is this. Yeah. And nine times out of ten they didn't know, like they got like tomato and banana and pepper and stuff.
Right. But it was like they hold up a kiwi and it's like crickets. Crickets. They held up a papaya. Yeah. I don't even know if I noticed the fire was said. Well, maybe you need it. Have this education. I don't know, like I can't I don't have a mental picture of a fire. You right. Yeah. All right. Salmon on the other.
And then I saw this other one where that, this guy, like, makes chicken nuggets in front of the kids. Oh, yeah. And like, shows, there's just, like, when did bone and cartilage and, you know, you just, like, has this little industrial blender, hey, like, shows the kid right in front of their faces, like, what's really in that right cheek.
He puts it in like a little form. And so. Yeah. Exactly. Now he does your your motherfucking dino nuggets bits. He turns them into regular regular patted out nuggets, breads them and is frying them in the pan. And he asks the kids, he goes, now that you've seen all this, because a minute ago they're all like, oh, all right.
He goes, now that you seen this, you know who wants one of these? And they all raise their hand. They don't want they don't want it. It still down like so. They just saw the kids. Just saw right before their eyes. I mean, the same thing. I must be of the same dumb variety because I watched the 2020 explosion on, slaughterhouses when I was like, oh, ten, 11 something, and my great grandmother was appalled and would not eat meat for several months after that.
I was like, yo, let's get a burger! Haha. Yeah, so that's the same thing. I was exposed to that same exact thing. I actually was able to tour a slaughterhouse old you remember I was telling you I was doing that computer training? Yeah, well, one of them was with a company that did that, and I got a tour of their plant, and I saw the processing line and I was gagging.
Yo. Oh, it's definitely not for the faint are like. And it was timed out. It was probably a few months before I even dabbled in any animal products. The guy that I replaced, I'll do like a trader, but because he's having nightmares. Whoa. Yeah. Okay. All right. How razor de life in thigh. Okay, ma'am. Oh, I need to put those underneath those window for when the motherfucker started.
Get in there. What a plant. Is that? What? How old is she? She seven year prepare. Oh, okay. It's like, wait a minute. It's this large. So you get out, not blue. It's like, right. What the hell happens in Florida? No wonder DeSantis is talking about critical race theory. Let's just say she's too cute. It's going to happen like 1011, 12.
Oh my gosh. Oh, that's going to to start getting out there you know. Oh my gosh. Oh I don't even want to think about it. It's you know I have an eight year old daughter that I like, went through hell to make sure that she didn't have it right. So the idea of someone else having no reason at least brings back, bad, bad memories.
You know, like, you know, every father's worst nightmare. Some scumbag defiling. Yeah, not even necessarily defiling. Just, you know, the whole she falls for a douchebag type, right? And ends up getting, like, herpes or something fucked up like that. Yeah. It's like, he's so creative. He's in a band and, you know. Oh, God. He gave me three venereal diseases.
Oh, there we go. That's the height of it right there. Drugs.
Yeah. I was like, you know, just just please find a nerd that's into DNA. Yeah. Listen, as last basement was 23 that managed to invest in the stock market. Has enough money to buy a house outright. Anyway, he's, like, so happy when you come around. Yeah. Treat you like gold. Yeah. Please find that you know, please don't fall for the bad boy.
Oh, my God. Because, you know, I was bad boys. Oh, I know what I'm talking about. Fall from. So. Yeah, that's it that that says don't fall for the fall. And a lot of. It's funny. I'll tell you guys a personal story. I guess it's fun. Yes. Appropriate. Sure. Anything is. So, yeah. As we establish it right today at the beginning, who comes out?
Yeah. Right now. We're like, seeing the counter of the, you know, podcast listeners and subscribers just dialing back like somebody like Ferris Bueller, driving the vehicle in reverse up on cinderblocks. Yeah, that's what we see to our viewer count. Right. Nice. But anyway, so there's this, really strange moment in my life where I was about to go overseas direct and,
Yeah. Really sorry. I hate telling war stories as part of my life. So it does come up, right? So, you know, just just need to tell you to get it out there. And, it's the time I. The other side. I was hoping you guys would reassure me that I don't say talk war stories too much. It's fine.
Yeah, we don't care. So anyway, if any listener cares, if it helps you deal with it, I will tell it. Yeah. So it's all about as far as how to deal with thing. It's just a story I think is interesting. Hopefully you guys will find this thing and hopefully your listeners would find interesting too. And that the story goes something like this.
We just got this big pep talk from a captain or something like this. All right. When we were about to, we kind of had our tickets in hand, more or less for know metaphorically. Overseas. See the war. Yeah. And, he's basically saying that, you know, you guys are in the 82nd airborne and soldiers in the 82nd airborne don't go to a foreign land to not fight.
Right. So you're not sitting on their base. You're going to be front enemy shooting your guy type thing. Right? And he's like, you can look around and I can assure you, someone that you're looking at right now and coming home right. And that's just the reality. If you don't like it, too late. You you too bad. So sad.
Right. And, so a lot of people are like, you know, kind of. Damn. Yeah. That's that's that's real inspirational guy. Thanks. Right. He was trying to, like, get us get us in serious mode, right? I guess you're trying to, like, basically get our minds repaired, that this is the real deal, and it's going down now. I think that's doing your favorite sort, perhaps.
Yeah. And so, we're in the 1890s, which are. No, no, no, no, it was already. No. But just to hear it like explicitly stated like that was kind of jarring to hear the, the thin veneer pulled back to here. Yeah. Reality. And we're like 24 hours or so or less away from getting on the same plane. And so that little pep talk motivated me to call a whole bunch of people that I hadn't talked to in years and do things like apologize for, for the way I acted when I was young to that particular person.
Unburden yourself. You know, a lot of them were females, you know, like I called my high school sweetheart, for example, you know, that whose heart I broke and was like, you know what? Why? You went through the things like, you know, I just wanted to call and say, I'm headed off to war. And I just wanted to call.
If I don't make it back from there, I just want you to know, right, that I'm profoundly sorry for hurting you and, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, and this was like, many times 50, right? Different, different calls. And it was completely unfiltered and raw because, you know, I had this idea that there was a pretty decent chance I wasn't coming back.
So maybe it was a good time to say things that I probably needed to say 15, 20 years ago. Richard. Not 20, ten, 15 years ago as time and it was it was a mistake, like, oh, it was it probably just did nothing more but maybe open old wounds. Right? I mean, okay, some people, I'm sure, reacted terribly to it, but, you know.
And then I felt kind of awkward, like, you know, making it back just fine. Oh, no. And then I think he did the right thing. I mean, oh, unburdening yourself for giving yourself and, you know, coming into it with the clean conscience. Yeah. But it wasn't like it wasn't really like a, unburdening thing wasn't that way. It was like, just it felt like an opportunity that might be fleeting.
Right. So like, like it might be an opportunity to do something that I can only do once through. Might not have an opportunity to do it again. But you felt compelled to say, hey, I am sorry. I wanted to tell you. Yeah. So there's an interesting psychological play. So, like, you know, what's the mind actually doing in that case?
Is is it a self-serving interest in this case, or is it like legitimately? I mean, it's undoubtedly a little bit of both, perhaps. Yeah. You know, sure, there's a self-serving component, but there's a there's the idea of wanting to clear the air, wanting to, you know, get rid of this past transgression. Yeah, perhaps. Yeah. And so, like, what was I thinking otherwise?
Like, why hadn't I done this at that point? You know, I had no fucking hard. Maybe it's hard, but also like, it's, no one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, the hell wants to admit that until they absolutely need to. That's something unique about me is I've never had a hard time with that. I've never had a hard time like facing that something is my fault, and I try.
I do my best to do the same thing. And some things my fault or I fuck yeah, for I finally take responsibility. Yeah, there was definitely a window in my life where I definitely didn't want to take responsibility for anything but but oh, sure. And I mean, but I'm always struggling to make sure that I do, and I don't always, but I do a that.
Because of that window where I didn't give a fuck, I probably had in like my mid 20s, a really creative streak and had never taken responsibility for things like how to always find justifications in my mind and convince others as well. I mean, you know, same deal here where I was doing illegal activities, doing tons of drugs, doing all sorts of screwed up stuff.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you saw that. Yeah. I just by like, yeah, you do you because I mean, you're doing shit like that. You dedicate yourself to it. Yeah. So so we have to then come to terms with this reality. Human part of the human condition is that we're human beings by default are creative, right? And we will find creative ways to justify morally anything we actually just want out of desire and then all loops back into exactly what we've been talking about, you know, moral justification, is the very basis of, marketing.
You know, justifying on the individual level developed, allows one to develop techniques to justify only, you know, higher and higher and higher levels until it's global, until you've got people telling lies on a global stage and then layers. Right as well, Yeah. Like, used to use some another falsehood to justify this falsehood, you know anything. So since this is now this falsehood everyone knows is a falsehood, but it's been established as fact, as truthful as one tiny little trash can building and building a new falsehood on.
There's a there's a assembly of mice. They just put their trash out. For pickup? Yes, for a mouse. Because, I had a a multiple infestation in my room, and I may have killed this mice lineage just completely from my room. Yes or no side. But the roadside rodents aside, the trees, according to one pesky key, thought there was a mouse, a rat, and a.
And the squirrel in my room.
Not to change the subject, but I. It just dawned on me. What the what the what the motivation was. I had this fantasy always in my mind. And I still have this problem to this day of like, there's some future point in time where I'm going to do something like not a goal or a dream or anything like that.
But it's like for, for example, like somebody have done wrong. Okay, I have this like weird sentiment that like, somehow I'll have the time and the inclination and the opportunity to make it right at some point in the future. Right. And so, so I'm saying to you and so then I have this like justified on the daily difference, perpetual difference, like defer it day after day after day because there's this fantasy that someday in the future there'll be opportunity to, to rectify it.
Like make it, make it right. Yeah. And so this desk, speech took that away. That's right. And so then I felt like I had no choice. It was, like, so compelled. Yeah, absolutely. Because now all of a sudden, there's, like, this temporal reality that I have to face. Right? Right. I can see maybe everyone does it to some extent.
Deferring reality as we say we do. You. That's a nice path. You get a good choice there also. Then. Well, well-chosen. Ready? Three miles.