0:03 Yeah, it freaks out not.

0:09 Step into my office. Why? You're fucking fired!

0:16 Everyone knows you can't get a proper workout in six minutes.

0:21 Oh, shit. It's funny stuff, man. That was. That was my opinion. The best part of that movie. Even better than the. I'm the same. The hair gel scene. And when he got his dick stuck in the fucking zipper. Yeah. That's. Yeah. How'd you get Frank above the deans? One of the beans above the Frank or whatever. They're kind of funny.

0:42 Yeah, but it was sitting and terrible. The psycho with the body in his car. But like, the old lady just did it for me. So.

0:53 Oh, Magda. Magda the dog? Yeah. Getting jump started. The fucking dog. Oh, the full body cast dog. Yeah, yeah. We had some really unique things. It's pretty good. That's great. All three. So, in the domain of non-sequiturs, Sue really loves the non-sequitur humor. So, try to drop some non-sequiturs on her from time to time and, just completely something random and disjointed from the task at hand.

1:30 You know, type thing tends to go over pretty well. Good, good. So where are we actually walking?

1:38 You map this out. Going through. Is it? Well.

1:44 Totally wrong. So the premise is this is a safer place to walk. Yeah. Okay.

1:54 You feel like it's less, you know, obscured than, say, unlighted. Oh, okay. Even less obscured than a fucking unlighted. Greenway. And, you know, areas that we. I mean, in that area, we previously found smashed motorcycle helmets or dead animals or. Okay. You know, and this area hasn't either of those. Okay. What's non sequitur? The emergence of things.

2:27 Yeah. This is more the gentrified side. I gotcha. So it's saying, like, tail end of our walk yesterday. I'm saying that we should talk about. Well, you talk about veganism. You get. And, a new little wrinkle in the argument that I heard recently, perhaps from Ted Nugent. I'm not sure, but I don't know where it came from.

2:52 That's fucking non-sequitur. Ted Nugent talking about vegans. Jesus. Well, how? Like talking. You're not talking shit against against vegan. I mean, yeah, but you're talking about in support of veganism, right? No, no, no, this is a no no no no. This would be not in support of. Okay. So the idea is that the, the tilling of the field.

3:13 Right. The the the mechanical tilling of the field and the chemical sprays on the field to make the, the the, you know, non-animal crop. Right. In the process of doing that kills hundreds, if not thousands of small, you know, surface dwelling creatures when they plow the field, it just mangles them. And the pesticides killing, who knows?

3:40 Untold numbers of, you know, different birds and, you know, other animals. Yeah. Birds and the bees. And so the idea is like the process of manufacturing no longer have your to be or your beer to be. So, Yeah. We gotta do it soon. I'll do it. Yeah. So the, the premise is that the, actual manufacturing or processing of the land, right, to create, you know, crops, vegetables, is quite murderous to many, many, many animals.

4:13 Yeah. And so, yeah, definitely feels off the top soil kills a lot of things. Kill some birds, kill some bees. There we go. Yeah. Just like the process of of of preparing a field for vegetables. Crops. Right. Supposedly kills an untold number of mammals. Yeah. Actual animals. And so it's just something I'm not so sure. It's very interesting.

4:39 It's not something that too many vegans would think about. Right. In the process of wanting to. Because obviously they think about a the plants, they don't think about the mass production and shipping and all of those add on effects that it takes to be able to go to Whole Foods and buy it. Sure. So at the end of the day, there's, you know, I guess the best thing you could do to, to combat that would be to have like hand tilled soil only with in community gardens.

5:12 Yeah. That you don't have to worry about shipping it and the.

5:17 Yeah. Urban farming. You know, only type setting, you know, community gardens, slash urban farming in us summers. Friend Steve, he's working now for a nonprofit that that's what they do. Urban gardens. It's, it's run by this Orthodox Jewish guy. I've heard this other idea. Two of, like, only eating, like, the seeds of plants. So, like, because you don't even want to harm plants.

5:46 Like eating the. You know, obviously, there's some extreme, but it's still intellectually interesting, right? Sure. Like how different approaches and different things. And then taking in the situation and the variables and the different. You can't tell me you get the macro nutrients you need out of a seed. Sure. Well seed would have a ton of nutrients packing. And you know, it's yeah, but you you the nutritional profile can't be the same as the full grown plan.

6:15 I wouldn't think like I think it'd be better, actually, because the plant concentrates nutrients in it. I mean, a whole new plant can grow from that. I mean, I, I understand that it's it's specific to growing that plant and what is the health and growing it. Exactly. And whatever's in that seed is just the fuel to grow that plant.

6:38 It's not a human fuel. It's it's grow a plant. Oh, sure. It's like a eggs, you know, like. Yeah. Like chicken eggs are very nutrient dense. You think about it. I mean, an entire new baby chick can emerge from that thing. Well, sure. And, you know, we are built to process that nutrient richness. But I'd imagine plant seeds wouldn't give us everything that the equivalent of the chicken seed gives us.

7:05 Yeah, I'm not sure. And then the counter counterargument into the, you know, anti vegan thing here with the killing animals to kill the fields is that the the animals are are killed to till the fields to grow crops for for animals to eat livestock. So so that would be like a double whammy. Right. So the still eating the plants directly is way less of an impact to animals that eat in the me.

7:30 Interesting. Yeah. Food for thought. No pun intended.

7:37 Right. Yeah. I mean, sure, it just, I don't know. It's it it's something people don't consider when he. They say it's more eco friendly to have become a vegan or a Darian. Definitely. The other kind of interesting aspect to would be the nutrient density of food. So like if you were to grow, food in a very particular way, to make sure that it naturally has the largest amount of nutrient density in that particular thing.

8:11 So like, what is the most, what is the best tomato that you could ever have? Right, right. Like maybe some kind of heirloom seed tomato grown in optimal soil would be the equivalent of eating 20, you know, store bought tomatoes that are factory farm. And you'd have to test that out. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. What's that? More like if he got more of this.

8:33 Let's cut more of that. Yes. There's this, like, idea that maybe a lot of reason people overeat is the food is so nutritionally void in general that people's bodies are just perpetually hungry because they're always nutrient deprived. Right. So it's almost a matter you might have bulk in your stomach and a lot of calories in the food, but you you not gotten much of the nutrient is interesting, but you should have had.

8:59 Let's see. What's his name?

9:04 He's dead now. He's British. Terry Pratchett. Okay. Terry Pratchett wrote kind of fantasy stories. Well, he wrote a series of books that were basically like The Four Horsemen of the apocalypse, but say they had survived to modern times and were doing, you know, modern. Yeah. Modern things. Cool. All famine was, the CEO or, you know, owner, I think of a bunch of food science companies and was producing food that was nutritionally devoid.

9:48 Yeah. Right. I mean, from what I understand, this is actually a long term issue because the a lot of the fields that have grown crops for are now 100 year old or more in many cases. So the idea is that they prop up the growth cycle of the plant with all types of fertilizers and artificial means, but the actual plant itself is terribly nutritionally void.

10:10 Well, this is this wasn't even growing plants she was creating. You know, her company would create chicken nuggets. Oh, okay. There weren't. Dude. Gotcha. It had no nutrition. Right. Right. You know. Yeah. I mean, there's there's plenty of cases where you can eat certain types of food. It puts bulking your stomach, but there's just nothing there. Yeah. And it was that idea taken to the degree, you know, like eating air.

10:38 Eating the equivalent of air. Yeah. Like, it's just got something in your stomach, but I'm not getting anything out of it. And you know, the the the more from what I understand, the more processed food is the, the, you know, each each step of the processing ruins even more and more nutrient. Right. So, like, you know, a piece of cake might have egg and flour and all this kind of stuff in it, but once it's processed at that point and baked and all that, when it comes out the other side, it's basically nothing.

11:07 There's nothing left. Right. Like the chemical bleaching of of sugar, for example. Yeah. Or flour and or flour and a whole bunch of things strips almost every bit of nutrient away, even decaffeinated gains. Yeah. So what'd you say? Yeah. Decaffeinated beans? Yeah. Yeah. Fuck that shit. Yeah. It's still not even close to the idea of that one coffee.

11:33 That's like, from the from the monkey shit. The civic cat shit. Or is there one where the cat swallowing it? Is there one with a monkey tooth? Yeah. It's like. Like monkey cat. I don't know, like, thing eats it and then shits it out and they scoop it up and people take it out of the crap and make coffee out of it.

11:51 Yeah. I'm not so sure about that. By that animals digestive system. And yeah, I'm not so sure I'd be lining up for that. My brother tried it. Well, you know, it might take I might taste it and think, oh, this is delicious coffee. And then they tell me the process and I'm like, hey, I'm not just doing well enough.

12:08 I think the reason he tried to get to the process. Well, everyone has their own way. Yeah, but I'm just really not interested in something that's in feces. I'm not. I'm not either. I am sure I definitely you definitely try it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Would you sip upon this coffee? Well, get your blowjob from a lady with the beer to be.

12:33 Yeah, sure. All right, all right. There's women and children that visit our podcast. Y'all come on.

12:42 But there won't be any women after today.

12:49 Yeah. Laugh and then beep, beep. 2023. Our goals for the podcast is to see how many, listeners we can estrange. Like, let's see if we can get a podcast that literally has zero listeners. This podcast. Yeah, we we're working towards a goal of seeing if we can make a podcast literally with zero listeners.

13:16 I mean, that would be unique. And we're going to lose all of our sponsors. Oh.

13:23 Wait, that means I would just stop doing the podcast.

13:30 That charitable thing. Did you see the couple of reviews we have there? Yeah. Yeah. People love us. Yeah. They said we were brilliant. Yeah. We got we got a sip of the game though. In 2023. We gotta, gotta really step it up. We gotta get out of the studio. Start actually walking. Yeah, that's a perennial joke, Sam.

13:54 All right. Yeah. Here we go. Yeah. The thing is, nobody knows which way the joke is. Are we really in the studio? Joking? We're walking or we walk our asses off, walking through dimly lit neighborhoods and crossing our fingers that nobody tries to jump us. You know, we need six people on this podcast just for safety. A number of reasons.

14:15 But like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to give you credits because that scream that she did earlier was just at school. Is it. Why don't you give that back. Give him a wow. It's like could not produce that sound in the studio on that. Yeah. We like doing almost exotic thing, like with washboard and breaking celery to try to emulate the sound.

14:43 Is better than the real thing. That's right. Like 23 filters on that to emulate a patella snapping fracturing.

14:55 You know, it would have been, like, really more cost effective to, like, find someone really willing to let us break the patella than all the all the money we spent on the special effects to emulate sound to emulate. It's true, it's true. Well, how much money would you take for someone to shatter your pellets? Yep yep yep. That's sounds about right.

15:16 It's not even like one of those things that you could take on and say, like, oh, with all that money, I'll be able to afford the therapy. No. Yeah. Right. So it's like, you know, some people would would take on perhaps something that's extremely emotional, traumatizing for enough money because it just justify it by saying, oh, well, yeah.

15:30 After I do it, I'll be able to afford the therapy to just get over it. Right. Right. And then have a hell of a lot of money left over. Yeah, yeah, sounds worth it. But I don't know if you can kind of recover from the pain and suffering of, like, a baseball bat to the kneecap snap. I would do it for the million dollars.

15:47 And, like, of marijuana. Okay. Do my therapy. They'll say, so you have to add in all of these ridiculous constraints, right? No painkillers for for one month or, you know. Yeah. The order to buy how to barrel on it, like doing it all. All right, all right. Not that much. Well, what if they said, okay, you can have the 10 pounds of marijuana, but it comes out of your 10 million.

16:15 I'm fine. Okay. All right, come on. 10 pounds of marijuana, in contrast to a million. Couldn't be even close. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, but they're saying I am not paying extra. Yeah.

16:26 It's funny. It's like the funny joke that I've heard guys play on girls before asking them, like, you know, would you do this for a certain amount of money? Like, you know, would you do something terribly sexual for, you know, $100,000 or whatever, right? Right. Oh my God, no. Right. So, like, that's disgusting. I'd never do that. And they say then they start getting.

16:47 Yeah. Then they say, well, would you, you know, do this terrible sexual thing for $1 million, you know, whatever. Eventually they just keep going up in price until they find a person says, well, yeah, I couldn't I don't think I could, could not do it for that price now. And then the joke becomes, well, now that well, how about an RV sandwich in a dollar?

17:08 So now that we've established that you're a whore, let's negotiate down your price. You know, kind of is the joke, right? Yeah, yeah, but the offer is, you know, and this joke could be applied to anyone if we're trying not to offend anyone, because, I mean, the whole idea is everybody has their price. That's the joke. Yeah, yeah.

17:25 And, you know, I guess for a certain dollar value, a lot of people compromise. Maybe even some hard held ethics. I mean, yeah, I would imagine that there are a lot of things I would do for a lot of money. But, you know, I'd like to think there's some things I wouldn't do for any of that. Yeah. Okay.

17:42 So so to throw in all seriousness into this, so is is really just, someone's ethical reservation, just a temporary thing or a fleeting thing or something that, you know. Is there absolutes? Yeah, probably. Probably not. I don't know, maybe I do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, certain things are just so beyond the pale that you really can't consider them.

18:06 And that depends on the person. I mean, everybody has their absolute limit. Would be like. I was not even sure. Yeah. Okay. So, like, going really dark on you. How about this? You know, would you, would you offer yourself for a. Well, they say on the live yourself these days, you know, would you do this for your family to get, you know, $1 billion?

18:29 I'd have to say no now.

18:33 Yeah. The interesting thing, $1 billion. Yeah. And I'd have to say no, because there's no way I can check up on that situation. I've on a live myself. They don't necessarily, you know. Well, you have guarantees in place. You know, money, the money's in escrow, yada yada. I'm good. I'm gonna keep living. I like, I like it, I like it, right?

18:55 I get that. Oh. Yep. Yep. Suicide. Yep. So there's. So there's really no price then that that you would do that for. Like says Sean, there's no real. I've fought way too hard myself for an arbitrary number. So that's the end of the day. What you're saying is there is really no price. Yeah. Not for that. Gotcha. But probably lots of other things.

19:21 Interesting. So there are limits to this idea of prospect inducing, proposal type prospect? Yeah, I think so. I mean, like like Sam, he would under no circumstance. More child. Right, sir? Yeah.

19:39 Interesting. Well, what if it became, discovered that you were doing something that indirectly does harm children? Does that mean instantly stop doing that thing?

19:52 How bad it is. Like for example. Good point. The. There are armies of children that are artesian miners. In cobalt mines right now on this planet, that are all multi-level, faceted away from the the main corporation that's benefiting from the lithium or. Right. So okay, Tesla, pay some point. Yeah. That wasn't gonna defame anything because, you know.

20:23 But why? Why not? Because our audience is expanding. And, you know, we don't really want to have a defamation suit on our, you know. So, you know, the point is, is like from the second richest man out there. Yeah. As soon as it's discovered, let's say as soon as it's discover or uncover. Good evening. As soon as it's uncovered or discovered that you have, you know, you're participating obviously downstream as a consumer, but you're participating in some, some terrible thing.

20:53 Right. Do you then immediately, like, sell that vehicle and say, or. It's hard to say, right. Well, we're as you were being for great at rationalizing things, especially when it's a few steps removed from us. Yeah, I've been saying that same thing. Like, once you abstract 1 or 2 layers away, ethics kind of disappears. Yeah, it's. Well, it's kind of hard to fill the sting of it.

21:16 You know, when you're not directly or secondarily responsible. Once we get the tertiary or whatever area of facts, it's like not even in most people's imagination right at that moment. Yeah. So that's interesting because we have the technology right now, clearly, to kind of follow all the way to original source, every product that we consume. Right. Can you imagine like a QR code on pretty much any product.

21:41 And you hit that up and it brings you to a page. It shows you it's actually every step of that product. You need fully implemented blockchains inside chains for provenance and you know. Yeah. Tracking. Yeah. You can do like, you know, you take a picture of that, you scan the QR code on a, on a pound of bacon.

21:59 Right. And it's got all these little faces of the traces all the way back to it. Thirsty to pig. Yeah. It's got all the faces of the. All the pigs that are in the in that, in that container. Yeah. That's like, this is six different pigs. Their album variety. Like mother of 30. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Cersei, mother of 30.

22:24 You know, the. And then you scan over. It's like a you scan the whole, you know, pace and see all the faces flash, see all the family tree of the fig. That was right. And then it's crying like it's it's in a are like the tears are actually animated, like the rolling out of its eyes on it making the basis on making the baking more moist.

22:49 Of course, it's an integrated component, worsened by a picture. Yeah, but there's certain people that would like then make that would sell much better. You know, I don't know, I feel like with the way they kind of like.

23:06 Like harvest the pigs, the main like daily really know what's going on. Really? Do you think, Yeah. Because I used to work a one of the places. I think that if you worked at a slaughterhouse, your idea about life and death and start to be altered to some extent, I'm sure. But, like, you're the person that, like, for eight hours a day is slitting throats, but.

23:30 Well, so it's not it's not like that anymore. And if something's done the wrong way, doesn't it have to be that way? I thought you need to. Well, I'm saying it's not. It's done in. If they do it, if something happens, then you mainly don't. They stop the line. Yeah, they definitely stop it. Yeah, but I mean, they incapacitate them, like, knock them out, mainly lead them into a little chamber.

23:54 They put their head in a thing where they can't move, and then the bolt comes down and hits him in the head and knocks him unconscious. Right. And then they string them up by their back hooves and slit their throats and let the blood drain out with his heart still beating. Yeah, absolutely. So meats not tainted. Yeah. Okay.

24:09 And so, like I said, you're that guy slitting the throats for eight hours a day. You can't even have a weird. You'd have a different idea about what? Life by machine now. Right? So you watch it is it is no threat. Yeah. You clearly need like. Because, you know, the dynamics. I think it'd be hard. I mean, you get to capitate it with the machine.

24:27 Sure, but, like, you gotta know where to cut, you know? Okay. So it's it's ice. But if you get a different physiological response, like the heart might stop. So by sleeping its throat. The heart keeps beating its own blood out. You know the blood. Let say sorry for anyone listening to this stuff, but I think this is how it really happens.

24:46 Yeah. And, so interestingly, you can imagine, like, that's your job eight hours a day, you'd have to have some kind of different idea towards. I mean, yeah, you are executioner of, right, of a semi sentient being there. Yeah. And your in your performance metrics is like how many throats you slit? No. Just like in your hunting, especially the animal, it doesn't mean you have to still be thankful for it.

25:16 And you can have respect and you can have an understanding of what it provides. Yeah, I agree, but what I'm getting at is like scale. So like if you have a deer in your sights and it's the first time you've ever gone hunting, you're like trembling right to like pull that trigger, you know, and then you do you, you hit the thing and it flops all over the place and runs and dies, you know, and you follow the blood trail to the corpse.

25:37 So you were an Indian, you know, 250 years ago. Out on the plains, killing, you know, you might catch in a good lifetime a few hundred, right? Yeah. But, you know, somebody with their thousand dollars of gear and rifle, you know, type thing with masquerade ammo and whatnot up in a tree stand, you know, blowing away deer. The first time.

25:59 Yeah. You're going to have a certain connection, maybe feel like almost crucial. But then when you've killed your, you know, 300th deer that season. Yeah, right. You got a crop damage permanent. So you're out there like blowing them away like Armageddon. You know, band of brothers happening out there. I think at that point you just have a different mentality towards it.

26:21 It's like going out to harvest. So most. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You're just reaping. But, I mean sure. I'm sure it affects your psyche and affects, you know, what you're doing, but,

26:39 These are key performance metrics. And factories are definitely dehumanizing, no matter the factors. And I guess it doesn't even have to be a slaughterhouse for having to be dehumanizing, right? Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, but the point remains is that there's a there's a technological means available to us right now in 2023 where we can connect the full product production mechanisms from, you know, earth mining all the way down to the finished product.

27:09 Right. Or if it's a food commodity, you know, the farm all the way down to the processing center and all the way to your plate here? Yeah, but there's, I don't think, a high enough consumer demand for that type of reality unfold. So like, for example, who wants to take the QR code on the bacon and see the cow or see the pig?

27:29 I think it would be great. Who wants to take a snapshot of a hamburger? Patty, ground beef and see three different. Right. Like, you know, I don't think so. I don't think you, Bessy, Joel and Ethan. Luke to go back and see how traffic. Okay. Great idea. You're the leader. Yeah. So I, I don't think that the, the industry either would like people to know and maybe but maybe that's not what you provide.

28:00 Maybe you don't provide the picture of the cow, but you can say, hey, this farm, this bill on this day. Yeah, this farm. And here's the picture of the family farm that you're supporting, the right. You do that kind of shit that's gonna pull the people third strings and make them feel like their farm. They're dealing with local farms.

28:19 Boy, that's a that's a way to abstract the reality, right? Yeah. Like you're not you're not killing and consuming. You're supporting. Yeah, absolutely. You're creating now. Not destroying a lot of marketing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So probably heard me say it before. You know to the Gizelle the cheetah is fucking devil is evil. Right section into the to the cheetah.

28:43 The gazelle is, you know, just wonderful. It's it's food. You know, it's motherfucking bounty. It's necessary. It's, you know, it's very interesting. So there's a the ultimate idea of perspective of good and evil, right? You know, the, the law amongst the gazelles and those cheetahs are absolutely pure evil and. Right. Well, far like a Star Wars story for the Apple people, they're doing that.

29:08 True. And they explored that a little bit in Clone Wars didn't they. Yeah. That you know, really they were just kind of made to do this thing. And yeah, it's a whole, Darth Vader's fall to the dark side encapsulates the whole idea, right? He's like, to my mind, the Jedi are evil because he's seeing the corruption and the power hungry of the Jedi, even in their faults, failures and fault.

29:34 They're they're not as pure as they act like they are, you know? And so, you know, he may have really got a little bit far with that, but but he, you know, does showcase how, corruption can ruin something good, especially in the minds of people. Value any.

29:53 Or it doesn't doesn't think about it. So it doesn't take too much awkward solar shower. Yeah. Okay. All right. It doesn't take too much, evidence or a, I guess I uncovered, examples of corruption for someone to really lose faith in something else. A person or an entity, you know? So how many, how many times does someone cheat in a relationship until the other person is completely lost, right?

30:23 Yeah. You know, the person 99% of the time, person will be doing the right thing with the right intentions and then, you know, just makes mistakes here and there. And next thing you know, it's just it never can be recovered once it gets to a certain point. Well, like, you know, your partner, your North Rock's Jewish family and your partner keeps eating bacon.

30:44 Well, he's supporting a farmer, right? Right. Family grabbers also be Jewish. Oh, yes. Jesus, man, I just couldn't handle that. Like that would be the end of the religion for me. It'd be like what? I can't combine two of the most delicious things upon the face of the earth. What are you talking about? Bacon. And what? Meat and cheese.

31:07 Oh, meat and cheese. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Gotcha. I have to have them on separate place after eat one hours before the other.

31:16 So, so so the the the dead flesh covered in the process. Life giving lactate of another of of another animal. Yes. To accent it. That's, that's that's kind of sickening plant like said that way, I mean salivating I'm definitely salivating. Way or not, it brings it down to its barest effects. Yeah, it's it's a process of product of lactation, you know?

31:46 Hell, it might even be as fancy as some motherfucker. The French cave made this cheese and spent months upon months making it and then years aging it. Yeah. Okay. There you go. There you go. So now we abstract it in that, in that, paradigm, that perspective. We abstract it down to art, right? Yeah. So model we support local.

32:11 We're supporting local artisans. Yes. So you can imagine like this almost matrix style level of convolution through clever marketing and through abstracting things totally away from what they really are into some other form. Right. Causing people to decide, make all kinds of decisions. Or I guess you can call them consumer choices, way outside the boundaries of their nature of who they actually are as a person.

32:38 Right? So the view they've been fed upon on the products that they're buying and consume it. Yes. Right. So like cultural norms, cultural appropriation, et cetera. Combined with really clever marketing combined with abstraction from the reality of what something really is, right? It's always presented in a different form, like the Bologna is just packaged as something that's in plastic round discs or whatever.

33:05 We also have Lebanon Bologna created by the Amish. And, you know, it's, a malone's of different meets with the highest quality, of course. Of course. Couldn't possibly be just the scraped off the floor here, you know. So, yes. Waterhouse. Slaughterhouse, floor scraping. Yum. One the age old kind of, saying, you know, don't ask. You don't want to know how the sausage is made type thing.

33:31 That's true. So, you know, here, here. Okay, there's an example. Sausage. Right. Kind of the scrapings off the cutting board. All right. More or less. Right. Force inject pressurized, injected into the cleaned intestines of another animal of maybe the same animal or another animal, right. Yeah. And then, yeah. Sold and consumed. Purchased and consumed. Holy crap.

34:02 Yeah. In many cases, highly regarded. Yeah. I mean, or or haggis. Jeez. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, just the just the fact that there's a term like, so, you know, it's called sausage, it's not called scrapings from the cutting board, blah blah blah. Ram, Ram jetted into an intestinal you know, it's not called that. It's called this nice new benign word sausage.

34:24 Definitely need to go by some thoughts in there. Well, I can say that. So good. See, we have the perspective of a person who was right there with modern practice, got the lead off a grind up, and then they mix it with they way the sat out the like search the. So it'd be you know right 73, 3760, 60, 40 whatever.

34:52 Yeah okay. Cool. And then I guess it doesn't have to be a natural casing. It could be a synthetic right casing. That's what it is most of the time. Yeah. Like work that they were so clean too. Like, I had no qualms with working there because they treated the animals with a spec. They're like even. It's like anything having, like, like big wiggles wrong when they try to kill it.

35:20 The FDA was there on side. Wow. Okay. Wiggle wiggle like that. You know wiggling.

35:27 All right. Well that's crazy. Oh, I mean, yes, there are definitely sketchy places I've heard of, like this place. See, they were butchering cows. There's dumping the the blood of the river. And it is, messed up. Everybody is like we said to the whales and the water table and, wow, like, can't get everyone's whales. It's like that.

35:55 It goes into the baby formula. And you got babies popping up with mad Cow. That's a crazy, weird, weird, blood borne illness shit. Like, who knows what. Wow. Blood borne illness is pretty on baked diseases. Someone reported them to the authorities and the FBI. Whoever the helicopter, they only had 11 fleas on file. The parking lot was slammed full.

36:18 That like 300 full ease. The ice rated them. They bust them like 220 illegals were in there. Oh that's nuts. Yeah. And all because of the blood going into the river type thing. Yeah, yeah. Water damage isn't there. Isn't there some type of. There's got to be. I'd have to look it up. But is there something kind of like thing that you can make from the blood, like.

36:47 Yeah, you can make blood pudding and make blood sausage. You can do a lot of different. Well, the plays all work that they just they set that blood. They had a water treatment plant and they put the blood in there, cycle the blood out like the water. And before they pumped back into the city, it was cleaner, the city's water.

37:06 Oh. So there was a process to transform it into something in your idea. Wow. Gotcha. That's crazy, because I mean, hey, what is mostly water? Yeah, I guess if you. It's very close in formulation to seawater. Also, like the blood from the killer floor. Yeah. Like all the whatever else is in there, like. Yeah, you probably heated up in, like, you know, mix it with the peroxide solution and then, you know, yeah, I'm sure that you can denature it to where it's totally to the protein.

37:40 The few days of solid fall out. Yeah. They trashed solid.

37:47 Okay. But the works that like nothing with the waste on the on the hog, the horse guards sent to the hospitals for in universities for studying and years got sent off for some other thing. I thought the car manufacturers for seats. Dog gee toys. The the the ears. Yeah. It's like a pig's ear I think is a treat for a daughter.

38:12 Right? Well, yeah. And I mean, you can get a you can definitely not have to go through too many before you find some of their tattoo. I like the whole process of gelatin and it's like, oh, that's a wow. So nothing on the odds with the breaks. Yeah. So I was thinking there'd be some type of useful purpose for the blood.

38:28 Right. Besides dumping in the river. Yeah, they were just being lazy, a lazy river. I like it, the red lazy river. No, the Rio de marinara. Oh, God. Wow.

38:47 Minstrel stream. I was in Florida, in Saint Augustine, and it was an area area called the Matanzas. I think it is in essence, that means in Spanish, the, the killing or the slaughter. And basically, the Spanish had slaughtered something like 300 Englishmen. Oh, no, sir, Frenchman. And the rivers ran with blood for like three days, according to a priest that was there.

39:19 Yuck.

39:22 The sand gwine. Yeah. Valley. Right. It's like. Yeah, X is a pretty nasty, nasty thing to think about. Yuck. Would you go back to non-sequiturs? No. So. So, this this idea, this abstraction is kind of a theme that I was looking for. Here is a, you know, it's not just the food supply, for example. It would be so many artifacts of our culture right back.

39:54 It kind of abstracted away and blurred from their true what they would it truly is and, and marketed and soften the language and all this to make it to where not only is it is it is accepted by society, but desired, you know, like, for example, let's say, for example, firearms. Okay. You know, like, you know, pistol, a handgun is for, you know, ending ending life, right?

40:27 Good evening. So yeah. So handgun is, by all intents and purposes, it's tool for killing, right. Like it's killing tool to kill people, right? Unless, I mean, unless you guys come up with another reason. Fucking handguns for me, for the most part, it's, you know, kill another human being wants to kill you because they have one as well, right?

40:54 You know, and so there's all this, like, you know, language in our culture and all this softening in the marketing thing, like, you know, marketed for protection and marketed for, you know, all the stuff that makes it then, very palatable. Like, you can, you can say, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Hey, how you doing? Holy shit. First time we got greed today in reverse, too, like she initiated.

41:17 You know, it's kind of weird, like, like, yell to her and have her come back in her interview, her said, get her name. Yeah. Interview on the podcast. Like, did you take your meds or are you just like completely different person who will usually encounter. So it's like, hey, you wrote by a so pass you were racially ambiguous and yeah, yeah.

41:40 So maybe the gun things. Not a good example I'm talking about. Let me think of something else that, like in our society, is really bizarre, but it's okay. Like alcohol. Here we go. That was a good one. So, you know, let's let's go and get a cocktail. Right. Okay. What do you say we go knock back a cold one?

42:01 Yeah, yeah. So that language sounds kind of much more appealing than, you know, some beers and taking tons of liquid calories and, you know, poisonous cells and, you know, just cause our livers to have to filter out, saying, hey, let's go crazy like shit in that day. Yeah. Right. Right, right, right. And so the reality of what it is, is to be on our way to the rest of the liver.

42:28 Yeah. Right, right. And then, of course, the next throw from there is the. All those years tobacco is so prevalent. Right. And let's go have a smoke. Let's go blah blah blah. Right. So it's like the softening of the language and the and the, the appeal of the clever language ties into making something look different than what it really is.

42:50 And I think it kind of comes down to this. I think we can make a tie in here, that whenever the most softening of the language happens, it's generally in relation to a bias, generally into something that people enjoy indulging in, enjoy having, you know, that gives people pleasure. So they're going to soften it and market it heavily so that you are abstracted away from the reality of it and you can truly enjoy it.

43:15 So okay, so then the absolute champion of every bite has to be the food industry, right? Has to be hassle like we're talking about with the Bologna package. Like I saw this one thing, HBO or something did a documentary. It's talking about, transforming people in the city to understand what they're talking about, urban gardens and community gardens and stuff, and like, teaching kids in the inner city like what a eggplant is like, not the emoji.

43:43 But yeah, yeah, I like actually actually educates kids as to what. Yeah. Okay. And so they're bringing in these like boxes of vegetables and holding them up one by one and asking the kids, what is this? Yeah. And nine times out of ten they didn't know, like they got like tomato and banana and pepper and stuff. Right. But it was like they hold up a kiwi and it's like crickets.

44:09 Crickets. They hold up a papaya. Yeah. I don't even know if I know the papaya was Sadler. Well, maybe you need to have this education. I know like I can't I don't have a mental picture of a plant. Yeah. All right. Salmon on either. And then I saw this other one where the, this guy, like, makes chicken nuggets in front of the kids.

44:29 Oh. Is it? And like, shows, it's just like, when did bone and cartilage and. Yeah, he just, like, has this little industrial blender and, like, shows the kid right in front of their faces. Like what's really in that. Right. He puts it in like little fun dinosaur shape. Yeah, exactly. No motherfucking dino nuggets, bitch. He turns him into regular regular patted out nuggets, breads them and it's frying them in the pan.

44:56 And he asks the kids, he goes, now that you've seen all this, because a minute ago they're all like, oh, oh right. He goes, now that you've seen this, you know who wants one of these? And they all raise their hand. They all want it. They all wanted it still like so they just saw the kids just saw right before their eyes.

45:12 I mean, the same thing, I, I must be of the same dumb variety because I watched a 2020 exposé on, slaughterhouses when I was like ten, 11 something, and my great grandmother was appalled and would not eat meat for several months after that, I was like, yo, let's get a burger. Yeah. So that's the same thing. I was exposed to that same exact thing.

45:37 I actually was able to tour a slaughterhouse. Remember I was telling you I was doing that computer training? Yeah, well, one of them was with a company that did that, and I got it for their plant, and I saw the processing line. You know, I was gagging. No. Oh, definitely not for the faint of heart, man. Like. And there was a time, like, it was probably a few months before I even dabbled in any animal product.

46:00 The guy that I replaced, I'll do it like Amy's administrator, but because he's having nightmares. Whoa. Yeah. Okay. All right.

46:11 Razor to my thigh. Ma'am, I need to put those underneath Willow's window for when I was trying to get in there. What plant is that? What? How old is she? Seven. Prepare it. Oh, okay. It's like, wait a minute. You get down on 12, like, right? What the hell happens in Florida? No wonder DeSantis is talking about critical race theory.

46:39 Let's just say she's too cute. It's gonna happen. Like Sam Field. Like 1112. Oh, my gosh, that's gonna happen. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh, I don't even want to think about it. So, you know I haven't each year old daughter that I like went through hell to make sure that she didn't have it right. So the idea of someone else having recently brings back bad, bad memories, like, you know, every father's worst nightmare is to some scumbag defiling something.

47:16 Yeah, not even defiling. Just, you know, the whole she falls for a douchebag type there, right? Ends up getting, like, harpies or something fucked up like that. Yeah. It's like, yeah, he's so creative. He's in a band and, you know. Oh, God, he gave me three diseases. Oh, there we go. That's the height of it right there. He drives a motorcycle.

47:39 Yeah. I was like, you know, just just please find a nerd that's into Dan Dean. Yeah. Lives. Lost basement 23 that managed to invest in the stock market. Has enough money to buy a house outright. And he's, like, so happy when you come around. Yeah. Treat you like gold. Yeah. Please find that, you know, please don't fall for the bad boy.

48:02 Oh my God. Because, you know, I was the bad boy, though. I know what I was talking about.

48:10 Yep. That's it. That's that. That says it. Don't fall for the phone, I love it.

48:17 It's funny. I'll tell you guys a personal story. I guess it's appropriate. Sure. Anything is. Yeah. As we establish a race at the beginning of the conversation right now.

48:31 Like seeing the counter of the, you know, podcast listeners and subscribers just dialing back like somebody like Ferris Bueller driving the vehicle in reverse up on cinder blocks here. That's what we see to reviewer count right now. Nice. But anyway, so there was just a really strange moment in my life where I was about to go overseas to Iraq and, you know, really sorry.

48:59 I hate telling war stories. It was part of my life. So it does come up, right? So, you know, just just need to need to get it out there and, on my shield. I was hoping you guys would reassure me that I don't say talk more stories too much. It's fine. Yeah, we don't care. So anyway, if any listener cares if you do with it.

49:20 I'm more than tell it. But yeah, that's fine. It's not a deal with thing. It's just a story I think is interesting that I hope you guys will find this thing and hopefully potential listeners will find interesting too. And that the story goes something like this. We just got this big pep talk from a captain or something like this.

49:38 All right. When we're about to, we kind of had our tickets in hand, more or less, for, you know, metaphorically, overseas to see the war. Yeah. And, he's basically saying that, you know, you guys are in the second year born and soldiers in the 82nd airborne don't go to a foreign land to not fight. Right.

50:00 So you're not sitting on that base, you're going to be front line. You're gonna be shooting your gun. Yeah, yeah. Type thing. Right. It's like you can look around and I can assure you, someone that you're looking at right now ain't coming home, right? And that's just the reality. If you don't like it. Too late to bed.

50:20 So sad. Right? And, so a lot of people are like, you know, kind of damn, you know, that's that's that's real inspirational, guy. Thanks, man. Who's trying to, like, get us get us in serious mode, right? I guess I'm trying to, like, basically get our minds prepared that this is the real deal and it's going down.

50:39 I mean, I think that's doing you a favor of sorts, perhaps. Yeah. And so, here in the 18th. Right? No, no, no, it was already known. But just to hear it, like, explicitly stated like that was kind of jarring. Yeah. To hear the, the thin the near pulled back to here. Yeah. Reality. And we're like 24 hours or so or less away from getting on the same plane.

51:03 And so that little pep talk motivated me to call a whole bunch of people on that I hadn't talked to in years and do things like apologize for for the way I acted when I was young. To that particular person yourself, you know, a lot of them were females. Yeah. Like I called my high school sweetheart, for example.

51:26 You know that whose heart I broke. And it was like, you know, I went through the things like, you know, I just wanted to call and say, I'm headed off to war. And I just wanted to call. If I don't make it back from that, I just want you to know, right. That profoundly sorry for hurting you. And, you know, you know, and this was like maybe times 15 different, different calls.

51:46 And it was completely unfiltered and raw because, you know, I had this idea that there was a pretty decent chance I wasn't coming back. So maybe it was a good time to say things that I probably needed to say 16, 20 years ago. Right? Sure. Not 20, but yeah, ten, 15 years ago at the time. And, it was it was a mistake.

52:09 Like, it was it probably just did nothing more but maybe open old wounds. Right. I mean, okay, some people, I'm sure, reacted terribly to it, but, you know.

52:25 And then I just felt kind of awkward, like, you know, making it back just fine. Oh, no. And then I think you did the right thing. I mean, Ella, unburdening yourself for giving yourself and, you know, coming into it with a clean conscience. Yeah, but it wasn't like it wasn't really like a unburdening thing. It wasn't that way.

52:45 It was like, just felt like an opportunity that might be fleeting, right? So like, like it might be an opportunity to do something that I can only do once, you know, might not have an opportunity to do it again. But you felt compelled to say, hey, I am sorry. And I wanted to tell you. Yeah. So there's an interesting psychological play.

53:06 So like, you know, what's the mind actually doing in that case? Is is it a self-serving interest in this case, or is it like legitimately? I mean, it's undoubtedly a little bit about perhaps. Yeah. You know, sure, there's a self-serving component, but there's a there's a idea of wanting to clear the air, wanting to, you know, get rid of this past transgression.

53:31 No, perhaps. Yeah. And so, like, what was I thinking otherwise? Like, why hadn't I done it to that point, you know, why hadn't I ever fucking hard? Maybe it's hard, but also like, it's,

53:44 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What the hell wants to admit that? Until they absolutely need to. That's something unique about me, is I've never had a hard time with that. I've never had a hard time like facing that. Something is my fault, and I try. I do my best to do the same thing. If something's my fault or if I fuck up, or if I had taken some ability.

54:06 Yeah, there was definitely a window in my life where I definitely didn't want to take responsibility for anything. But sure. And I mean, but I'm always struggling to make sure that I do, and I don't always, but I do it best because of that window where I didn't give a fuck. I probably had in like my mid 20s, a really creative streak on how to never take responsibility for things like how to always find justifications in my mind and convince others as well.

54:34 I mean, you know, same deal here. Whenever I was doing illegal activities, doing tons of drugs, doing all sorts of screwed up stuff. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you saw that you had it not just by like, dude. Yeah, you do, you do. Because I mean, you're doing shit like that. You're dedicating yourself to it. Yeah. So, so we have to then come to terms with this reality.

54:59 Human part of the human condition is that we're human beings by default are creative, right. And we will find creative ways to justify morally anything we actually just want out of desire. And then I'll loops back into exactly what we've been talking about. You know, moral justification is the very basis of marketing. You know, justifying on the individual level allows one to develop techniques to justify it on a, you know, higher and higher and higher level, that it's level until you've got people telling lies on a global stage and then layers.

55:36 Right as well. Yeah. Like, you use the use some another falsehood to justify this falsehood, you know anything. So since this is now this falsehood, everyone knows it's a falsehood, but it's been established as fact, as truthful. This one tiny little trash can building a building a new false. There's a there's a family of mice. They just put their trash out.

56:01 For pick up. Yeah. Yes. For mouse guys, I had a a multiple infestation in my room, and I may have killed this mice lineage completely. Yes, but the road aside rotates aside. There's recent cording to one pest guy. He thought there was a mouse, a rat and a and the squirrel in my room.

56:38 Not to change the subject, but I just on me. What the what the what the motivation was. I had this fantasy always in my mind. And I still have this problem to this day of like, there's some future point in time where I'm going to do something like not a goal or a dream or anything like that, but it's like, for example, like somebody that have done wrong.

57:02 Okay. I have this like weird sentiment that like, somehow I'll have the time and the inclination and the opportunity to make it right at some point in the future. Right. And so.

57:17 And so then I have this like justified on the daily difference. Perpetual difference, like different day after day after day, because there's this fantasy that someday in the future there'll be opportunity to, to rectify it, to like, make it, make it right. Yeah. And so this death speech took that away. Right. And so then I felt like I had no choice.

57:41 It was like I felt compelled. Yeah, absolutely. Because now all of a sudden, there's like this temporal reality they might have to face. Right, right. I guess maybe everyone does it to some extent. Right? Deferring reality as a way to say, oh, we do.

58:00 Well, that was a nice path, a good choice there for them. Well, well chosen right in three miles.