0:00 The not so young dog, the sass. He felt like a eight year old boxer. Oh, oh, I see, I see. And then I've got. She might be three. Got you a three year old. Javanese. Okay. So where was she before? I didn't remember her being there. She was a, So she was a I had that. It knows we're talking about dogs this morning.

0:30 Right.

0:33 Summer. Oh, I see. So was it her dog or your dog? I guess it's joint since we both made half. Oh, you bought her? Yeah. Oh, okay. Who bought her at, this place in Boca Raton? Yeah. If I could remember it, I could make them a fake sponsor today. Oh.

0:57 What? What did you. What'd you get her for this? Yeah. Okay. You know, Summer hadn't had a dog for a few years. The kids wanted one, and, that had been a while since I had a dog, too. I guess it's 20 questions this morning. Why that particular breed? Ultimately, the knees was a shoe. When we pick her up, she was like a wet dish rag.

1:24 When you pick her up, she just thought, you know, cause just, so calm and chill and. And we were just like, you know what? We could use those vibes. Okay. And, she, But she also has this energetic side or two. So, most of the time, though, she's pretty, pretty calm. And she, she's so ugly.

1:51 She's cute. Yeah. Okay, so she's got these, like, snagged teeth. And until recently, she hadn't been groomed for a few months, so her and I had the same haircut. Have you ever. Nice. Have you ever, ever met people like that? What better stories? They're cute. Oh, yeah, I think I fit in that category.

2:15 But, she, she's a good dog, and she's just so calm. Whenever, you know, if you have to do something to her. Like what's happening? I had to refer or something. Yeah. What's her name again? Lilly. Lilly. Okay. Lilly. Rose. Oh. Two flowers in one. Yeah. That's it. This is the last name. No. Rose. Rose.

2:41 Okay. Probably going to go with who? Because that. Okay. Okay. The main family man. Okay. So we're Rose. Who can I see? So if you in summer get married, you're going to take her name? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I might because, I mean, it's kind of an upgrade from Snodgrass. You think? Yes. Snodgrass. It's pretty cool, man.

3:05 Means grass farmer. Yeah. Okay. In Gaelic. Well, maybe you're destined to be a weed. So.

3:17 All right. Wait. There's a different term for that, right? Right. You don't really say cocaine salesman. No, no. Right. That'd be hilarious if you did, though. And then, you know, like, when you're trying to date somebody and you're meeting their parents and they ask you what you do, you say you're salesman. Yep. Salesman. What do you sell? Oh.

3:34 Various herbs. Yeah. I want to get into pharmaceuticals. And then they're like, well, then they go into. It's a multi-level marketing scheme. Yeah. Yes. Insect it is.

3:51 I've climbed up a couple of years. I've done some. You know, I get some of my product from Latin America. Yeah. So what product comes in on a multi, a submarine from the Amazon? Yeah. I have the really dynamic supply chain. It really did. That's it. I, I realized that supply chain management is key to my business.

4:12 Yes. Just in time. Inventory management. Yeah. We have just we have just in time. And I try not to carry too much inventory at a time.

4:21 Parents are so impressed. That guy is wonderful. Oh, wow. I can't wait to have him as a son in law. You know, like, head over heels over to the guy. Oh. That's beautiful. Not knowing that his actual name is snake. That's what he really goes, right? Yeah. He's snake. And, you know, he's a.

4:42 They look him up by name online and, like, everything checks out like it's. He looks good, but they just don't know his 12 aliases. Damn. That have also have online presences that aren't. But this particular alias is a he's got a LinkedIn everything. Right, right right right. Oh yeah. He's really got on board because he's trying to get into the upper middle class and he's going to use this girl as an entree.

5:10 All right. Like that's a little legit front, right. He marries into this, like, totally legit family and over the family business. The appeal of the community type thing. Yeah.

5:22 That's so funny. During the golf course. And the father's, like, asking too many questions. So. But the guy, like snake is super slick. He's wearing the long sleeve shirt to cover the test, like, consistently all the time. Right. Yeah. And but then he's in. He's a bad boy in the bedroom. He he really locks her in with the tats and the.

5:40 Yeah. Yeah. And the snake ish ways. Yeah, yeah. And so there's like this, the father is asking too much questions. So the snake is, like, slick enough to, like, always, always quickly make it about him again. And so then he likes him a lot. Like he always talk about himself. Yeah. Right, right, right. Cause, no, typically nobody ever does.

5:57 You know. Yeah. In his little world, he's emaciated and, like, his man has been cold. Oh, the snake, like, totally is bringing him back, you know. Yeah. Snake gives him back his man card. Empowers it. Yeah. And then I'm going to say it ended up backfiring in the end. Three years into his upper middle class marriage, snake's father in law leaves his wife for a small, lot more trashy.

6:23 Yeah. Incredibly trashy, like snake secretary trash. Oh, the whole time? Yeah. Snake's wife. We haven't given her name yet, but, the girl involved with this, like, totally, totally loved the fact that he was such a bad boy. Like, that was her name. What's her name? I suppose. Dora, what are you saying? From this. From this particular family.

6:44 It's got to be some type of hoity name there, and that sort of fits it. Well, I mean, come up with another one. We'll spitball here. This is a. Sure. My name is storyteller. Say something like a Samantha. Samantha. There we go. Good. Solid, stalwart name. Count on it. You know, tied in because the great grandmother's, you know, middle name was Samantha, you know.

7:05 There's a family tie engine, right? So we're going to go with Samantha. She's the only daughter, so she's like the precious jewel of the father. Doing the. The involvement with snake is just so terrible. He just doesn't know. He didn't know it yet. Yeah. I don't like the idea of snake leaving her. I like the idea of snake.

7:23 No, no. Thanks. Not leaving her snakes. Father in law is leaving his what? Oh, yeah. Okay, now that I like that, I like. Yeah, because he's been empowered. He's got big balls now. Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. He he he like, through this process of, like, talking things out with snake on the golf course, he went ahead and started that business.

7:41 Yeah. Right. And it's like, actually working, right. And, not only is it working, it's like working really well. Thrives. So he's the king of the king of the org chart at this new he's got to say 40 employees or something. All right, all right. And he's the king of the org chart, right. So, you know, since he's the king of the Earth chart, he's getting a nice run back, you know.

8:01 Cuz, you know, that's a real thing. Okay. Like to hire you up on the org chart. The more testosterone you produce. Interesting isn't it. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's, it's not like a perfect 1 to 1 link. But in general right when you take averages there's more testosterone and and more sexual hormones produced when you're at the top of a of a, of some type of ladder.

8:23 That's interesting. Then at the bottom of one. Well. Well yeah. So now he's at the top of this ladder. Right. I guess I've got to scream, yell and cuss and posture to get my testosterone up because I'm on the, you know, lower end. Right. There's other ways. Right? Yeah. So, so snake was really is naturally like just a golf good at golf because, you know, he's he was in Little League.

8:45 Okay. All right. And boycotts when he was a kid who got some innate sport abilities. Yeah. His mom wasn't there, but his dad, like, did some things with him. You know, those are those things. And so, like, he's just has a natural swing so he's even can hang with golf. And his handicap was right on line with, the father's.

9:01 We haven't named the father yet. Where did we go with Samantha as the Or? We go with your name. No, no, no, let's go with Samantha and let's do his name. Also, starting with an ass like Scott the father. No, that it implies some sort of, like, ownership and. Father. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Father's name? Scott. He's old enough.

9:19 NASA where he goes by Scotty again. Oh, there we go. And there's an Irish thing. That's why Samantha is a good name to. We're definitely tiring in this scene. Irish thing. Yes. And so, so the the wife is named Jolene. There we go Joe Louis. Yeah. Because that just fits. For some reason it came to my mind.

9:38 Jolene is the name. And it gives us an opportunity to give her that rage that Jolene had from Dolly Parton's song. Ever. He, bust out, grabs his balls and sounds off and goes ahead and breaks up. Yeah. So when when snake finally, you know, brings this guy back from the brink, not even trying to just trying to always make it about him.

9:59 It worked out. Right. Right. Guys like story. Yes. Gotti's now like fucking rolling, running around rock hard. Just happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's eady is gone.

10:13 Right? His golf game has improved. Doesn't attribute any of it to snake, though, like, you know. No, no, it's snake is leading from the bat. That's right, that's right. And, so in this, in this story, you know, we can have it in tragedy. We can go. It's like, choose your own adventure, right? Make it up on the fly.

10:29 So what we could do to page 47? Yeah. Oh, you drank the saltwater and died of dehydrated.

10:37 Right. So, without going, without we we can, I'm feeling good this morning, so, like, let's not take this down to the tragedy root, right? You know, like, it's got to be good. It's. We are positively destined. Yeah, right. Okay, now I want it to go downhill.

10:54 So, you know, snake, in the process of all of this, like, new family that he has with Samantha and Jolene and Scotty? Yeah. Yeah. And, the fact that he's, like, beloved and integrated. Yeah. Like, sort of like two. It's a double edged sword. It's kind of like. I mean, he's running sales for Scotty's business right now.

11:12 Yeah. Yeah. Right. So he has an avenue to go legit. Yeah. He's not so sure he wants to be under Scotty. Yeah, right. Right. But he has this pathway to go legit, and that's working on his mind. Plus, he now feels like he's finally part of something which is part of. And he knows he can control Scott. Yeah.

11:28 To some extent. And he has a natural but not like he's not thinking of it. It just naturally has the intuition that he can you know, he's influential, right. Yeah. Positive way. Yeah. And so what he doesn't see is how influential all this is on him. And so it's starting to twist him and starting to bend him towards, you know, wanting more of this goal of git type stuff.

11:46 Yep, yep. You know, and so he's like thinking about getting the task lasered. I know and I thinking about like actually settling down. But the problem is, is that Samantha doesn't quite isn't quite as hot for him. Oh, whatever. He adopts all of this. Yeah. Because the trappings of the society she came from. That's right. She liked him because he had this edge and he was like, you know, the bad boy from the street.

12:08 And not just he was the antithesis of her daddy. She could find plenty of guys that are, like, the one he's turning into. Yeah. So, that's a that's some tension. Let's just leave that part of the story open ended for now. There we go. You know, Jolene is already kind of gotten kicked to the curb on this because of, you know, the father and asked with Scotty's got this new life, you know.

12:31 Scotty's out there, you know, he's got, he's really PC and we see crushing all over the place. Yeah, yeah. So he's got out. Okay. That's what PC stands for. Pussy crack. Yeah. All these all these, young, like, college age. Woke up, you know, ultra, you know. Oh, that's a microaggression, dude. You know, like. Oh, I saw that.

12:54 So. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's good to be PC. Woo hoo! Right. Yeah. Like PC. And they're getting drunk, and they're having the girl sign waivers before they have sex with them and everything. Right. Make sure it's double sign concept respecting her. Right. Yes. And so like they they later go on and say PC just stands for some Cartman or, you know, Kyle or somebody or dance for wussy.

13:18 Christian. That's a boy. Come on. So Scotty's out here stacking youngins like. Yeah, right. Like cordwood doing three at a time. Damn. Oh, and it started doing cocaine. Oh, of course, was cool and and snake kind of. What's that happen? You know? Yeah. Yeah. Make sure he gets a good supplier. It's a good. Well, he's the plug. Yeah.

13:38 Yeah. Rowdy is, like, managed to have one of someone associates in him come together, you know, without Scotty's knowledge. And on top of that, you know, he's always like, well, I think I can get some this week. Yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah. So Scotty is, like, on fire, right? Yeah. His. His life is on fire. If he's not only supplying the entire sales team that he works with, but he's supplying Scotty and his C-suite.

14:04 So snake has his drug angle stills now, and he's gone up from weed and stuff. So now he's, like, really high rolling. All right. And he's dealing with some much dangerous folks down the chain, but it's stable. It's a it's a stable. It's a stable amount selling every week and a stable income. So somehow, like, this is how this is how interesting.

14:26 The brain, the human mind works, right? Is like we just stumbled upon telling us rate of story like we didn't. This is an unplanned, unscripted. Yeah. For no reason to started telling me. And I didn't want to say. Almost everything we do is unscripted. Yeah. You know, it's it's so unscripted that it unscripted. Unscripted like, so we'll like actually say let's talk about that tomorrow and then never do.

14:51 Yeah, absolutely. So it's like double unscripted. There are so many topics that have just died. Yeah. Even though we've tried to like, have a continuation of like a part two or say, yeah, hold that till tomorrow. We didn't forget it and never talk about it. Yep. So you gotta book it, you know? Hey, whatever Chris wants to say about himself, but I'm going to say my previously drug addled mind and aging brain have combined to just let me forget things.

15:19 Oh, so easily and wonderfully. This is what you get. Yep. Another really cool thing about memory and forgetting, though, is that, actually, like, I, I like to think it's grist for the mill. It's going to come back in some form. Yeah, well, it's not memory, some memory stage to the point where they're lost. You're right. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, maybe some of the topics we bring up, I don't know.

15:41 Yeah. Memory is like a chalkboard. Like a old fashioned way. You erase it, you erase it, you erase it. And you can still see some faint images of something behind as you write a a clear space for new material, like, like you go and you learn something new, like you start a new career or you learn something new.

15:56 Right. Your brain has to store that. In order to store that, it has to drop something else. Brain has finite capacity. Okay. And so. So how do you explain those people with identical memory where they're like 1972? September 22nd. You know, at 3:00? Well, because they're they're lacking in so many other places, their brain is more dedicated to that information.

16:18 So there's plenty of other things they won't know. Right. Okay. So they remember every day in excruciating detail, but may not be able to assimilate other concepts or. And then how how do you how do you have knowledge of how accurate they are? Sure. You don't have a perfect recording to check them against every day. Right. Right.

16:39 So they may get worse and worse as they age. Absolutely. Absolutely. The brain. It's not like some person just has this magic brain. No. Like, there's there's all these disorders and all these things that make people have, you know, strange things and sometimes strange capabilities. Right. That are off the chart compared to, like, quote unquote, a normal person.

16:58 Yeah. Yeah. The the like you turn being symbolic. Right. Yeah. For this or that. Sure. But that doesn't mean like it's it's infinite. Nobody has an infinite mind. I mean, that's that's like the, the the myth that people is just like, you know, free will, but, like, the little free will has a lot to do with the environment you're in.

17:19 The degree of free will you have, like Scott, Scotty has earned himself more free will. Oh, don't worry, we'll get back to Scottie. But but, Yeah. So. So the brain, right? You have this, like, you know, process happening and neural pruning, neural intensity, like, memories are solidified, things are reinforced. Yeah. So brain. Right. So multiple neurons are involved.

17:42 And so when you know, each neuron isn't, is part of many different memory pathways. Right. You know, and so as some memory strengthened, it can actually also other memories. And you know we think our brain is much, much more accurate than it really is. But we have no point of reference to, to decide that it's not it's wrong.

17:58 So it's right by default. Right, right. So like if you remember something incorrectly okay. What you have to do you you do it all the time and I do it all the time. And every human does it all the time. Yeah. There's no way to know that you there's no. Sometimes you get an ankle and you're wrong, but you can't necessarily fix it.

18:14 Yes. And that's like the chalkboard metaphor. You know, you've erased some stuff and you can still see the same lines underneath. Yep. So, like, you can still see what was kind of under written underneath the new chalk. But after you race and do it three times, it's more and more faded and it's not as clear. Right. Right. Maybe you can still recall a piece of it or portion of it after 2 or 3 racings.

18:34 Right. And my dad, he's he's always had an insanely great memory. Right. And he's dealing now with the fact that it's not so great. And so he's having to compensate. And I've been telling him basically things that normal people do that don't have, you know, really great recall like he did. Yeah, we have all these technology tools coming online to help us too.

19:00 Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. I was like, okay, dad, one thing you can do is record meetings. I said, that's what we do for our podcast. Yep. You know, and then he starts talking about other things he does, like he said, he created. Transcript that has searchable text. Searchable. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great idea. All the technology tools to do that, like Adobe has that service that we're talking about.

19:20 Do it for transcripts for art. That's a good point. Right. That like gets it mostly right enough to where you could do a tech search. Okay. So he could really nail down certain areas and then hone in on it. That's a great idea. He can start using organizational tools like OneNote, which would be really good. There's other alternatives that but that's a that's the one I use.

19:36 Yeah. And he loves one note. Yeah. He can learn to use that really well and have it almost like walking around with a second brain. You know, really though, it's it's a knowledge base that you can carry with you and you can link people to question is yeah, here's a question for you, is if someone is using that constantly and stored so much information in their way beyond they could ever possibly help to remember in their own brain.

19:57 Is that actually become an extension of who they are? Well, I'd argue that it would. Just like we play around and argue that, you know, Google and search engines in the internet at large has become a ready extension of us. It offsets the need to make certain memorization. Yeah. Because things that are facts that are important to have recollection of in the moment.

20:20 But I guess I'll recommend memorizing some things I do, because what is available on the internet and how it how you can find it is a femoral. Yeah. Because just like you don't have. You don't have time. Sometimes you want something in memory because you don't have time to access our drive. Right. But that is true. And you know, it benefits you to carry some stuff around because then you can synthesize and be creative.

20:41 It's there. Don't have enough? Yeah. It's there. Yeah. Like I said earlier, you don't you can't come up with new things on the fly. You aren't as creative. The more you know and carry around in your own brain, the more potential for being creative you have. There you go. Yeah. And so, it's interesting, though, this concept of, like, perhaps there's going to become a blurred line between where human being ends and the technology begins.

21:04 It already exists. But I think especially as things become more integrated. Right. Like the phone might as well be integrated when. Don't you have your phone on you? Right. I'm using it right now to remember something with this guy Ben of our Bush creator. It was the first, like, technological memory aid. Yeah. So, you know, that's that's another thing that we could do one day with our podcast is sit down and have access to, you know, real time internet when we talk about some things to not have to backtrack and say, oh, I look that back up.

21:35 I was slightly wrong in my recollection. Okay, so a precursor to the modern computer called the differential Analyzer that was built into a desk and used microfiche. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, sure. And, it's the first one. Note, right? Yeah. It was it was just a way to have some information on the ready. It was a way to have information on the ready, and also be able to have all the tools at this desk to synthesize and create.

22:01 He, he was a former,

22:07 He was in the Air Force, I believe, and ended up with a lot of downtime because of that whole. Forgive me, guys, for expansion of this acronym. But he had Figma. It got my orders. And, they left him on this island for, like, four months. Okay. And he didn't have to do so. He started doing things like he made a a wind turbine out of an old washing machine.

22:40 He did all kinds of random junk because he was like a radio guy, I think. Tried to keep his engineering going. Yeah. And, well, he started coming up with he started diving into the nascent, field of information science. Interesting. And, really came up with some of these ideas and, built this thing. Yeah. You mentioned the other day, like, kind of some cases where someone's, like, their mind is insulated from one of those things, and they're specializing in that, and they're coming up with some, some really great stuff because they like that guy in the woods that made the word processor.

23:14 They work out right? Yeah. It's like, you know, the Unabomber, he specialized in his manifesto or making bombs. You know, he was he was focused, right? He was a single mindedness and dedication. From what I understand, the guy that made Linux and, you know, get. Yeah. Does the same thing, right? It's Dorval or whatever his name is.

23:33 He. He took a sabbatical to make it. Yeah. Like he puts himself, even his computer. He makes sure it was really quiet. So it's not interrupted. He doesn't actually going on. And he focuses in mind in on the project. That makes sense and comes up with, as you know, some pretty amazing things. Yeah, yeah. He's famous for being an absolute asshole.

23:52 Maybe so. Yeah. But, you know, his personality aside, just focusing on the focus task principle, you know. Right, right. And and he's able it the popularity and notoriety of Linux has enabled him to be employed by companies to just do this single minded test. Sure. Yeah. The idea that he's not to make a billionaire is pretty, pretty bizarre.

24:12 I feel like he's not a mega billionaire because he doesn't want to be one of those kind. Yeah, yeah, because some people just don't have any interest in it. Yeah, he's comfortable man. I'm one of those people. I have no interest in being a mega billionaire. I just want to not have to. Like if I get sick, worry about bills.

24:28 And I don't think that's where he's at, man. Or reading somewhere along those lines, you know, he he gets, he usually gets for free the newest computers because people want, you know, if the new architecture like the Apple Silicon, you got that for free. He's he just developed the latest Linux kernel using an Apple M2, piece of kit.

24:48 Oh, wow. That's interesting. Yeah. So, very interesting. That idea of the focused mind. So let's, let's let's talk about how focused Scottie is here. Right. All right. Like, so he's in his kind of New Deal name and he feels like he's kidding. Shit. He's spreading himself a little thin. Yeah. And, the interesting point about this story is that we have the wet really happens in the human dynamic, but how you transform into into being more similar to those around you, right.

25:13 Directly or indirectly, and spending a lot of time with these Coke head salespeople that he's hired. Yeah, spending a lot of time he can relate because now they're not down there on the other side, if you will. Right. And, you know, so he's kind of fitting there, but he doesn't fit because it doesn't have the same edge that, you know, had on the street.

25:30 You know. Right. And, definitely doesn't have the he he no longer has the same type of. Oh, we're talking about snake now. Sorry. That snake snake doesn't have the same type of fringe benefits he used to have. Right? Like the the constant, thrill of being in the, in the, on the scene and having that constant measure of danger holding the cash.

25:52 Right. He doesn't have that same thrill anymore. The guns. Yeah. The guns just had to go away because he's now a country club and all this shit, right? Yeah. So he's being transformed by the nature and reality of his new situation. Right. And the father. And he's assimilating his new book, this new behavior, all all of these things.

26:09 And so the father that's been under indulged sexually and and powerfully his for so many, so many years, he's now got the sports car in his own business and. Right. Feels like he's doing the coke and he's got he's going after a young tail. Yep. Right. So like that, that scene and spring. And that's bringing with it all the freaking destruction that you know, we know that's going to break.

26:30 Yes. Yeah. So the story, even though we're already determined to have a happy ending is going to is definitely have all the elements for destruction. It might dip into the trough a little bit y'all, before it comes up out. Yeah. Instead of a climax we have a Lomax for this story like Swilly, not the salesman salesman on. What was that?

26:53 What was that like? I don't know. Death of a salesman. Yeah. Yeah. So, Bernie Lomax, it's the name of the guy from Weekend of Birdies. Oh, there we go. Talk about that before. There we go. So we're talking to both of these things. Yeah. So the so Scottie is literally turning into Bernie Lomax over time. He's killing himself in the inside out now right.

27:13 Like he's burning his candle from both ends. You know, whereas before he was in the stable situation that could have carried him for the rest of, you know, right now relationship with his wife had turned into the excitement of stable glue. But, you know, he, like you said, it could have carried him on to death. He would have retired nicely.

27:34 He would have had, you know, a couple of he would have had a house at the beach, a retirement home, too, right? Totally. But he would have been soft, bored out of his mind and ineffectively not know. No manliness left, just slowly shuffling off this mortal coil. Yeah. And like, you know, selecting which type of adult diapers work best for him at some point and, you know, never getting out of his most action.

27:58 He might have got his a, a hand job from the from the nurse. Oh wow. What is he doing in Australia or something? Yeah, sure sure. Yes. Do that. Yeah. Let's put him in a foreign country now. Let's get to complex. It's starting to sound like a a, I don't know, like, like a good Stephen King novel.

28:19 Because there are bad ones, for sure. Yeah, yeah. So, the kind of natural thing that's happening in the story we're telling that part of the human condition here, which we kind of assimilate and adopt ourselves, those around us, we're putting them in Australia a few years ago when we could take advantage of the currency disparity, and he could import a American sports car easily.

28:41 I know best money, nice, nice, and even bring it back to the States for less money. Yeah. Yeah, sure. And then you then, like you make the trip around. People do that with medical treatments, right? They they go on vacation to some foreign country, get medical treatment and then come home after the recover. Right. And come home now for less than they would have paid, including the convalescent.

29:06 Right, right, right. Exactly. For less than they would have paid in the States at magnitudes like, you know, $400,000 procedure in the United States, it might be 100 grand. Yeah. Right, right, right. They can just, you know, do the thing with the more, you know, with the, whatever it's called, like, with the mortgage, when I take out a home equity loan, he lock.

29:28 Yeah. There we go to to do the procedure. Whereas they would have been in debt for the rest of their life. They did it in here. Stays where? You know, it's a thing. So, you know, Scotty's just been indirectly, you know, completely flipped on his head with this as this events unfolded, right? Right. Like, so he's changed.

29:46 He's he's adapted to the center, if you will. Scotty has lost his edge. He's now not on the street. He's more country. No, no. Snake. Snake! Sorry, sorry. Excuse me. Snake lost his edge too, because he's no longer on the street. Hardcore. Yeah, he's now like the country club drug drug dealer. Right, right, right. And, you know, the the poor ladies of the victims here, you know, they're the ladies aren't getting what they want at all.

30:12 Yeah. They didn't they didn't see this coming. Right. Yeah. The the ladies, the you know, Joe Wayne has been unseated from the role that she had developed over the years where she was a good hostess for her husband. She was behind him on his career. She was a, you know. Oh, they were raised in the community.

30:29 They were known as Jolina Scotty. Yeah. They weren't known as Scotty and Jolene. No, Joe was running it. She was. She was billed above for sure. Right. And so Jolene is the driver for his success. She was the social component behind it all. And she had no idea that she was like the the whole entire preponderance of their lifestyle and their society and their their how they interacted socially and all this kind of stuff was actually, you know, taking Scotty down to nothing like taking away all of his manhood.

30:59 She had no idea. She had no idea, you know, that. Where is it was increasing her and giving her cash and power and, you know, running to move that country club life was slowly destroying him. But day by day, yeah, she made a majority of the purchasing decisions for the family. And she has women do. Yes. Right, right.

31:16 And she had her side hustle anyway. Like doing her arts and crafts on Etsy or whatever. But there we go. Like bringing in nothing but still justified, you know. Spending because she's it's all she was contributing as well. But it was like 5% right. You know. Sure. So I spent 75% discount all the things she had done for their place on the ladder.

31:36 No, no. Like it's. Yeah, for sure not this isn't a story. This is like she totally was was keeping the household together. She was the social front. She was the the good use, the good marketing front for the family. Right. Yeah. And and if she had the tools to know on how much the life that Scotty was leading was actually taking him down.

31:55 Right. Yep. She wouldn't have wanted that. She would have wanted to change. I know, but she never was never given the choice. It got to the point where, you know, he he saw this avenue, this other avenue, and he just took it. Thanks to snake. Thanks to snake. Yeah. Because he's disruptive force, you know. Right, right. Like and that's and that's what I'm imagine like the moral of the story of what it really is, is like, we have to be careful who we bring into our sphere.

32:17 Yeah, yeah. Because people can be people can be very destructive courses. And that's what we're touching on. Just like we were mentioning all these different people that now snake is around and how he's changing because of his people and people to him. Right. It's a feedback loop. And it's, it's a, it's a, it's an interplay. It's it's something, you know, and depending on your personality and your friend elections and inclinations, you'll change more or less, but you still will change.

32:44 Yeah. And snake, much like the snake in the Garden of Eden, was just a tool. Didn't realize that even though what it was doing just he was just really enjoying his name. Just being a snake. Yes. He was just that agent of chaos, that agent of change, that that ingredient that, you know, manages to catalyze things but not changes so much itself.

33:05 Yeah. So, since since the women have been victimized in this, let's make them also the villain villains in the story, too. Oh. So, Samantha, right? Like, starts hanging out with some other boys that, let's say, are a little more edgy, that are. Right. Put that wrinkle and we're going to throw the fact in here, okay?

33:28 Samantha is of college age. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that really likes to party like 20 is 20. She has this perfect dichotomy of, like, having a pretty face and coming from a solid family and having that good, you know, to put that on that veneer. Yeah. Basically like the girl next door goody two shoes girl but in but but in like, her private life, she's like loves dangerous activity.

33:55 Loves to party high risk lifestyle. Right. Because I'm it's fucking exciting, right? And fun. And you can't really blame him for that. No. So. But anyway, so she starts hanging out with a few guys that are more like snake. Used to be. Yep. It was sort of that little wrinkle into the story, right? Only fair. And so then some time goes by.

34:18 Yeah. Morning. So some time goes by and, you know, she increasingly is getting more and more dangerous things. And now snake is like, kind of wanting to pull her out of that, like, come on, this is too dangerous. You know, I know what I'm talking about. I used to be in that in that light, you know? Right.

34:33 So he's like, becoming like. She's like, I can handle it. Don't even worry about it. Yeah, I know what I'm doing, you know? Yep. And and all the drama that unfolds between now, you know, is unfolding. Of course we get some of that drama, but no need to just say we could just say drama. And what people that wanted to be content to let snake lead that role of, hey, you show up on Sundays and play my parents.

34:55 Hey, you know, you, you know, they they got to keep the front going here. You gotta work Monday through Friday, you know. So we got to determine, is Scottie doing all this like cleaving off Jolene. Jolene or is he, is he staying in the family, like. Or are they are they divorcing or are they just their relationship is just being flipped upside down?

35:17 Oh, well, I'm gonna go ahead and say flip upside down. And he comes back, Joey realizing what he had and what he was, you know. Oh, add that to the end, okay. Yeah. So like, they reconcile. Yeah. When? When maybe. Oh yeah. So maybe the in the story like everybody everything gets revealed to all the players and yeah that's all you and they and they all end up growing tremendously from it.

35:40 Yeah. This is all about it. This is all about personal growth and change. Yes yes yes. So like I love it. So every single person in here like has a micro tragedy. But it's something they can come back from. So they all end up with scars if you will. Yeah. But our better off at the end for it.

35:58 Right. Because they've learned what pitfalls to avoid in the future. They've learned the signs and and sigils of their enemy. Yes. And and so and so at the end, like, Scotty, the the the, the family is now known as Scotty and Jolene. Right? And Scotty's, like, runs the fucking grill at the parties. Barbecue, backyard barbecue.

36:18 Right. They say, fuck the country club membership. Right, right. Fuck playing golf. And they've moved into a new neighborhood that isn't worrying around the golf course. Yes. And then, snake and snake, whose real name is John something some some biblical name that's like, you know, wholesome. John. Paul. John. Paul. John. False. Not best.

36:40 Oh, yeah. And there you go. Work your name. Work your name in there. There we go. Okay. So snake, aka John Paulson. Opera. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, she starts going by that name, of course, at the end. Right, right. And, so fast forward, everyone is able to actually see the full picture. And that reveals to them the drivers of what, how they got into those behaviors.

37:04 Right. Which then can then reconcile. Okay. Right. Which is huge. You know, that's the happy ending part of the story. Yeah. The perseverance. It's a story about perseverance. All right. And, so they fixed the relationship. Scotty and Jolina fixed the relationship by seeing how what led to that happening? Why, Jolene? Because that's the Jolene. I'm sorry. Jolene.

37:26 Yeah. Not Jolina, that's somebody else. All right, so Jolene has, revelation into how that lifestyle was just completely killing Scotty. Right, right. And that's the last thing she ever wanted. And he sees it. He somehow more empowered, though she has to cede some of her power. And she kind of starts communicating with him about that, and they're starting to work that out.

37:48 You know, the whole thing closes were like, Jolene and Samantha are like, you know, shopping at a farmer's market, picking out stuff for their party. Right? Like, you know, picking out the vegetables and stuff for the recipes. They're going to they're going to contribute to this party at the end. And, and Scotty and, snake, John Paul are, like, out rock climbing together.

38:10 Oh, there we go. They're both bonding. They're both bonding. But they're they're doing guys. But they're doing but they're doing actually like, things that are boosts, you know, manliness. Yeah. Like there we go. So they're seeing, like, doing this cool rock climbing together like chalk on their hands. You no sweat dripping in the sunlight on the side of a cliff edge.

38:28 That's how they end up, because they're going to later on that day as their party here. Yep, yep. Is this is this awesome part of this? Is this moving rock climb with that element of danger? Yeah. Of course, the element of danger. Yeah, but not only are they doing it because of the element of danger and the manliness and the physical aspect of it, but they're doing it because they know they need that element of danger now.

38:46 Yeah, right. Craven. It's become a tenant of their lifestyle. They need the vibrance of feeling alive to to to be a man, you know, to do the things that make them feel like men and the women. Then the things that the women adore in them. Right. Right. Because originally, that's what Samantha saw is snake that danger and that, you know, and he's high risk and he's.

39:05 But it's interesting. It's not boring. Right? Right. He's high risk, but he's still articulate. He's high risk, but he's still emotionally available. Absolutely. Absolutely. He's he's he's still a solid person because he did have he didn't have too much of a traumatic upbringing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's got some middle class family. Yeah. It's kind of like more or less mom wasn't there and dad was real.

39:24 It was the last kid in the 90s. There you go. There you go. That got in early on some bad stuff and and got down that track. Yeah. There we go. John. Paul.

39:39 Oh. Do you hear about the new pope? Pope Francis maybe stepping down. Oh, shit. Really? Yeah. He's like, got some health issues. He's got some physical disabilities with his knees and stuff. Yeah, I feel like he did some good work while he was in there. He. I mean, he's like a pope that non-Christian non-Catholics like. Yeah, exactly.

39:56 And not only that, he's bringing he brought a lot more Catholics into the fold that had been cut out. I think I've, I think I've come across like a dozen or so quotable from the guy that were, like, really profound, you know, ways of looking at the world. Serious to say. And, whenever I'm not, I know he didn't do it once.

40:12 He became pope, before he became pope. He was taking Roman public transportation every day at work. Wow. So, you know, there's lots of likable things. Did you hear about this thing where he would like. He was like washing feet of the poor. That's awesome. Tries to things that Jesus is chronicle doing in the Bible. Yeah. So he was like, I forgot where I was down in Latin America.

40:36 I remember this is really on when he's close to what either before he became Pope or around the time he just came. Pope. Okay, okay. And I remember the entourage or whatever the cardinals or whatever the cadre is of of holy top, holy people. You're in the crowd. I don't I don't know. Right. All right. Yeah. No shit.

40:55 Sorry. Yeah, yeah, there are a few of us. Thank you. So, I remember the cadre. The top. Top brass, if you will. Up there in the papacy, where I don't even know the words, but, being, like, just mortified that, you know, he's washing feet, right? That he would dare. That be his society? That he would dare hobnob with those people, talking about showing somebody else that you're humble and you don't give a fuck like you love them because they're God's children and you don't give a fuck.

41:31 You're on your knees washing someone's peasant's fucking foot. Yep. And you're the leader of this incredible enterprise. And that's talking about fucking humbling. They always talk. You know, it's a trend in leadership circles to talk about the servant minded leadership. To talk about, you know, really looking at what you do as a leader, as serving the ends of, you know, your employees.

41:58 It's like in the military when the, when the officers. Right, the, the commissioned side of the side of the military always lets the noncommissioned guys first, the lower ranking noncommissioned guys. Yeah. Eat first. Right. But I saw that as, like, fucking children, you know, like the parents led the children. And I think that's what it is. It isn't serving them.

42:18 It's letting the children go first. And it's recognizing that, hey, if there's limited food, these guys are actually once doing the work and they need it. Yeah, they're the ones. They take the bullet. So we'll have a full belly. Yep. Yeah. That's, But I didn't like I, I saw some good and I also saw some fucking eye rolling part to that thing, but hundred percent, I could see some value in it.

42:38 I could, you know, I feel like the army rolls on its belly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah. You get a feel for people. Yeah. I if I had mixed emotion about the idea of the, of the Joes like the every day, you know, noncommissioned privates and, you know, all eating first year and, yeah. Mixed feelings.

42:55 But anyway, that's just ties into what we're talking about. Like, in this case of the Pope washing the feet. This is such a dramatic example of that, that it's like 100% humble pie. You know, there's no other way to look. There's one it's one thing to read it or chronicle that in the sermon that Jesus did it, that Mary Magdalene did it for Jesus.

43:14 It's one thing to dive into that and say, that's what we need to do, but you actually do it. It's actually do it, right? Right. Not just metaphorically like literally hands I yeah. You know, and then to see these like snobby, you know, cardinals or whatever, you know, being like oh ha ha. It is so it says so much, you know, they should have been like, wow, I should have been doing that the whole time.

43:36 Like, like lead by this guy is leading by example and going next to him and start watching feed as well. Absolutely. Set up a weekly thing where you interface with these people, you connect with them. You use them in your own eyes. So think about everyone that was there, that saw that spectacle, how they're going to think of the papacy from that point for the rest of their life.

43:55 Right. There's no way they're going to think of it as like this high brow head of a dragon. No, it's going to be looked at as a human connection, human connection, and something that it supports and and edified people. It builds rather than tears down. That's the way they're going to look at the Catholic Church for forever. For sure.

44:15 For sure. Yeah. And it's it's weird because I, you know, I, I like, you know, put my arm around my son when we're walking sometimes, like, you know, if we're walking down the street, I'll put my arm around him, you know, and, like, I, I hug him all the time. Tell him I love him. I kiss his head.

44:31 You know that type of thing? Yeah, man. You know, and, my my father never did that kind of shit at all. Like, just, I don't know. I don't know how or why. But I can't see it as anything other than, like, completely natural. Yeah. My dad, he he did similar things, which we talking about because his father didn't as well.

44:51 And, you know, it takes a certain level of like, emotional intelligence to kind of figure that out, right? You know, like, you have to have a certain degree of emotional intelligence to be able to reflect on what did happen that you didn't like and what didn't happen. Which would do you have the courage to use your parents as an anti example as well as an example?

45:07 There you go. Perfect. Because a lot of times people just carry forward the way that they were raised and carry that forward into their parents. Right. Rather than really understanding and picking and choosing, taking the time to say, what's my parental philosophy? What did I experience? What help, what didn't? Yeah. And so Samantha's younger brother, you know, in our story, you know, the innocent bystander and all this, you know, he was a young he was too young to really know what was going on, right?

45:34 Yeah. And, so let's see Samantha, Jolene and and Scotty. So he has to be something like Rick or. No, it has to be more Irish, right? Oh, the younger brother. Samantha's younger brother. Oh, Samantha's younger brother. Jesus. Jesus. Isn't it? Yeah. That'll be interesting, man. Let's name something else. Good. Solid Irish name. That's better than not as childish sounding as Scotty.

45:58 Something that sounds like that. Scotty. Something. Something that evokes Boston, like Hogarth's or something. Oh, shit. You know something? I don't like that. But something along those lines, you know. Wow. Some more like they see, like the stocky, red bearded kind of Viking style. All right. Snake Guy is imbued with all the rage and strength of his people.

46:20 Yeah, exactly. Exactly through the name. Right, right, right. Well, let's go with Hogarth. No, no. It's two. It's two. How to train your dragon man. Well, I just don't know. I don't know, I don't have a stable of those kind of names in my brain. Yeah, okay. Riley. There we go. His name is Riley. Yeah, that's. That's the salad right there.

46:40 There we go. So? So, Riley, you know, the be really interesting if, like, the story was kind of told from his perspective. Yeah. After all the stuff we've gone through is told from his perspective of this really deep, naive young mind. Right. So, like the adult reading the story knows all the adult ship is happening, but it's always is told through Riley's plan in some of its lost on Riley or something.

47:07 Yeah, but it's like. But still chronicles roughly what's going on. Yes. Whilst on Riley. But all the reader fully knows what's happening, right? Yeah. And so like, another one was like Riley sees, John Paul a.k.a. snake changing and sees all the tattoos. Yep. And sees like a bullet scar. Like a scar from, like, a stab or a bullet wound.

47:28 Yeah. And sees that, like, is that puckered scar that's healed? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so, you know, Riley is, like, young enough to where he doesn't really know how to articulate that, you know, to the parents, he just sees this as a special right at the coming of age. Yeah. Yeah. 11. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect, perfect. Like where the world's opening up to him.

47:51 He's beginning to understand thing. And this is a transformative experience because it's, a bomb going off. Yeah. Bomb goes off in his world big time. And then, you know, he's like the second child and the. And the same. He's left more to his own devices. Yeah. And Samantha has been like the crown jewel of the family. Right, right.

48:08 So everyone's paying attention to her. He gets the he gets freedom and latitude out of that. Yeah. Which is part of the, seduction of the whole thing. And how she got into this track of wanting the bad boy because she was always propped up as the crown jewel. Right? And she was she was put up as the family's greatest hope.

48:25 Yeah. Almost like the preacher's son. Yeah. It's, like, way too much pressure to come out of that normal. Right. So you're gonna come out and twisted, perverted, and, you know, a little inclined toward everything your parents don't want. Yeah. Like, you know, when she's outside the family, she's a smoker. When she's inside the family, she's a nonsmoker person.

48:46 Yeah. Yep. That's that. Smoking anything? It's just it's the bell. You're. We're using that as a bellwether in the story for a double life. Yeah, definitely as an indicator. Yeah. So, you know, and for her tragedy story, her low has to be like, you know, she's woken up now in several places and not know where she is when she wakes up.

49:07 But John Paul is also that person that people share little bits of secrets with. Like she knows the answer because she talks him about it, right? Because he's she he knows he sees her many times in her writing spot. Right, right. But I'm saying she shares that with him. He's the confidant in the story to a degree. He's the one who has all this information that's telling the story through him.

49:27 Yeah, right. And then she's like, do you want one? Yeah. At one point, you know, type saying yeah. And Riley, we can decide whether he indulges or not. I say he does. Why not? He doesn't. Doesn't like it. Yeah, yeah. There we go. He tries it. Yeah, but. But he appreciates that the sister was willing to include him.

49:43 Yeah, absolutely. And she does it in such a nonchalant way like it's nothing to her. Like that's nothing. Yeah. Yeah. She's seen so much that that's nothing. Yeah. And it's just a taste. And we're ascribing Riley with a bit of a sage like wisdom. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Because he. Because he is seeing so much. And he's he's in that zone of naivete still.

50:04 That's beautiful. Right. Like where he has that almost built in objectivity because he has see such a blind slut. Yeah. And he has this natural being, Riley. He has this natural perseverance where he's just completely Teflon to these nonsense. Then we go. There we go. He's a big guy. Yeah. He's. Yeah, for his age. He's big guy.

50:23 And thereby people kind of look at him like he has so much potential to be a bully. They don't harass him. Yeah. Yeah. But he's he's like the non bully. Yeah. He's totally chill kid. So there he set up to be involved in things to whatever degree he wants. And he views all these things. He sees all these things at school.

50:41 He sees all these things. Oh yeah. Yeah. This is perfect. So let's say that over the timeline of which he comes to age. He then has enough of adult brain to more or less be the catalyst hero to the story. Oh, like he he more or less is like a central strong anchor the whole time. Right. He he's the confidant of the family.

50:59 He has all the secrets. He has all the information. He can help bring things back. Yeah, right. Right, right. Yeah. He's, like, indirectly, without even knowing it. The rock of the family. Yeah. Right. That's cool, I like that. Yeah. So, like, the whole story, as we've laid out so far, unfolds under the premise of Through the mind of a naive child, through the vantage point, point of view, not just point of view.

51:21 So this this is shaping up to be a young adult novel that we could sell. Well, someone could have. Right? Right. The story. They hear our podcast, they're taking notes. Oh, shit.

51:32 They dedicate the first page to us, like dedicate the Christmas show, New York Times bestseller, and and we get another thousand listeners to our podcast. That's what we we get out of it, right? Yeah. That's the that's our bump. The names have a change to protect the innocent based on a true story. Rocket. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's it guys.

51:52 We're actually chronicling something that happened. Yeah, totally. So Riley's name is actually Hogarth. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. So so so the low for, Samantha, right? Is, like I said, she's waking up in some shady situations, like going on drug binge binge and, you know, waking up, like, where the fuck am I? And instead of doing that walk of shame, she's doing that walk of power.

52:17 She knows who she is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. She's like, just accepts that sushi is. Yeah. But then, you know, she later on she comes out of all of it of course, for her. But she's owning where she's at right now. Yeah. And she ends up like, going back to school, a more like a, let's say state college rather than, like some kind of fancy school.

52:36 Right. Right. And, she's going back. As for vet tech, you know. All right. Because she's found found out that she realizes the connection with animals. Yeah, that's like the animals. Help bring her out the other side, you know? Here we go. You boys head animals? Yeah, I heard and Riley always had this thing with the animals. Yeah.

52:53 There you go. So that's how he's involved with the part. That's his portion in bringing her back. Right. Got it, got it. So, how you doing? So, you know, we got to find out what brings them to their low, and then we'll bring them back. Right? So, for Jolene. So, Jolene, what brings it to her low is like, is what Scottie decides to do.

53:14 Go ahead, go on. What Scottie decides to do is Scottie just won one Sunday after the. After the barbecue. Scottie just tells her, look, this is what I've been doing. He just lays it out there and he goes, this is the life. Well, no, the barbecue is the final scene. Oh, you're saying like there's some reckoning moment where he tells.

53:35 All right, all right. So there's a there's a reckoning moment. She comes back from the, from the farmers market with their daughter. No, no, that's still the end. You gotta roll it back. He has to reveal before that. Okay, so we gotta go before that. What are we doing? It's a fucking Tuesday night, Jolene. Serving goulash.

53:55 Okay. Yeah. And.

54:03 And, you know, Scottie is just. He's still a little dyspeptic after eating all that goulash, and he's just feeling little edgy, you know? You know, like he needs to talk. So in him and Jillian's time before bed, when everything's wound down, they have their little books, and she's, they're reading, you know, trying to use that rule of five read every day, try to learn something every day.

54:26 And he just came back from the bathroom after a nosebleed, and he was, like, really fucking irritable because now his bowels, even her fucked up. And she says something that reminds him of the past that he's so wanted to. All this was to get away from and fucking triggers of. Right. That's it. And he fucking pops off on her and tells her everything.

54:42 Boom in one shot. Yeah. There you go. There you go. And so so Jolie's victimization here is like, she never saw any of this coming. Is that where we're going to put it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like lean. Was that busy, you know? Yeah. In their life. She she had put those blinders on. Gotcha. So? So her tragic was the blinders.

55:05 Yeah. Like, she was just allowed herself to be naive and all that shit going on. And then, like. Like, almost like, It's like the Japanese woman who knows her husband visits a geisha, but would rather not investigate. Yeah. Just doesn't even go there. Or she's, like, even in her own private mind, doesn't go there. Like, pushes those thoughts out right away.

55:25 Right. So I have that culture, right? Is that right? I don't, I'm sure. Why not? It's a fucking story. It could be anything. Right. So, Yep. Excuse me. Oh, that. Okay. So, Yeah. Why not? Like, she. She just has this, like, not just a cognitive dissonance, but an active suppression of the reality. Got it right. Yeah.

55:49 Because, like, it's just too big. Too much to face. Got it. And so her tragic flaws that she lets, the naivete. She she never intercede. She lets the naiveté take the will. Yeah. Right. So she never intercedes. And that's her tragic floor. By never interceding when she had all this power. Right. Right. She could have squelched the situation.

56:08 She could have fixed it from day one. And so when he blows up on her this one evening after these series of factors, perfect storm, which has him irritated his shit. Yeah, the tokes getting to him? Yeah. Towards the end of the week, the new testosterone lets him just kind of punch her in the face with words of cruncher in the face of the reality.

56:27 Right. It's that and and she's got old fashioned domestic abuse. Yeah. So maybe then that, that evening, maybe the suicide attempts. Oh, Jolene. And that's her final. Right. But that she recovers from the. He finds her in the bathtub. All right. All right. Right. So the sun is again, right? Right. Yeah. There we go. So? So, Riley. Riley finds her.

56:48 And finally, a bottle that just fell out of her hand. Let's see. What did she take? What did she take? We just go. Well, she takes something simple, like Aspen. No, it's got to be something like that. Yeah, like like like white wine. Is sleeping pills dramatic? There you go. Perfect, perfect. No, it's got a red wine on somehow.

57:03 Better. All right. Like blood. Yeah. There we go. So? So the red wine has spilled, and Riley sees the limp arm with the pill bottle. You know, open air in it with some pills like spilled out. Right. Yeah. Morning. And, you know, he saves the day because he goes and gets help. Yeah. Yep. He takes his mother up in one fell swoop, has him around her eye, has him on her shoulder, or has her on his shoulder?

57:26 Yeah, he's he's strong enough at this point to, like, get her out of the tub. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. He starts drying her off, but she's like, for all intents purposes, dead. And the paramedics get there just in time. Right. Great. So that's how he ties into her tragic story. Yeah. Right. He's directly saved her. So the father is, like, at his low anyway.

57:44 Right. And then this suicide attempt, and he sees the son, like, step up. Yeah, he sees the son step up, and he she sees a whole new light in that moment. Right. He he, like, says, wait a minute. He said my life wasn't a prison. Yes. My, this is this was series of choices. Yeah. Right. And, it it comes into focus when the sun steps up and is the man of the house now because he's like, look, you know, I brought my son.

58:11 I, I helped create the strength. And I, you know, moral compass of my son. I see what these thrusts of all of this was for it. Yes. Oh, my children. So even though I was low on the corporate ladder before and working that dead end job and was, like, dead eyed every day, I still was making my son into a man.

58:29 Yes. And my daughter, I was trying to guide her, help her, give her the tool she needed. So, like when you reflect, she realizes that there was so much manliness really there that he just didn't see before. And so he never really needed it because it was always there. Yeah. Right. Excuse me. Now he goes by Scott. Now there we go.

58:47 He's taking it back. He loses the demeanor. Demidov. Scotty. He embraces the manly Scott. But the ultimate thing is he realizes it's not the externalities. It's not actions. You do the. It's not the coke. It's not the rock climbing. It's the owning yourself and fully inhabiting what you're in and what you're doing. Understanding the effects of your choices on yourself and others.

59:15 There you go. That's family. I heard you so, John Paul Snake, figures out that through, What's happening? With Samantha. Totally figures out. Wait a minute. This is the the the there's so much tragedy and pain and suffering in that life. I was living, right? And that I brought her into this. Into that life, right? You know, I brought some into that life.

59:37 He sees the whole great picture of, like, I've indirectly had a hand in pulling all these people down downward. Right? Right. He has that moment of reflection and let's say for his. It was an altercation with Riley. He has an altercation with Riley. And Riley is like, you fucked up this family. Yep. Right. And this happens on Wednesday at the hospital?

1:00:01 Yeah. Joe leans. Recovery. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so even though, like, snake has had this edge for so many years, he's been, like taking he's been softened, if you will. Yeah. By going through all these experiences with his family. Right. And he's primed to to accept his, his culpability here. So, Riley, one on one with him. Okay. And they're like, Riley's not bigger than him.

1:00:23 They're kind of both kind of big guys, right? Gotcha. But Riley is so right. Right. Riley is so of his argument, right? Right. Riley is so righteous in in his. In this moment. Right. And snake is so, in in. I guess guilty revelation. Right? Of. My God, I am the catalyst for almost for almost, if not all the stuff.

1:00:47 Yeah. Right. Yeah. I, I kind of had the the lies and the thrust of me getting the things I needed out of this family created this situation. Right? My parasitic behavior was that was the harm the host to that extent. There we go, there we go. And Riley just just lays it out to him. You know, full on.

1:01:07 Yeah. You know, and, but in a reconciliatory way, like, it doesn't matter where I. It's clear that we're all going to get through this, and Riley's like. And I'll make sure we all get through this. And he pretty you, including you. And but he brings snake in and says, in essence, yay! Just like you destroyed. You can help.

1:01:26 Look at the power that you have. Yes. You never were powerless in your life. Look how much power you have. Yep. Right. And he's like, so not only is he coming down on them with this hammer, but he's like, he's gives him an out, gives him a path forward. Yeah. It's righteous and and gracious. Yeah. You know, at the same time.

1:01:41 Right. And so that snake's low, he gets kind of off easy as maybe the rod of God would be righteous and gracious. Same time. Yeah.

1:01:55 I love it, I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. So he and his Nordic kind of, you know, Scottish heritage, DNA blood coming through. He basically puts the hammer down on on. Yeah. The righteous hammer down. You can the throne of his words as they come out. Yes. They gets the the the full brunt of the righteous hammer.

1:02:15 Right. Yeah. You know, you know, through words. Of course. Right. Right. And so so that's the low. So let's say that, the low for really, really is that he had to become the, the, the, the savior. That's such a young age. There we go. Right. So his low is that he had to endure this, you know, even even with the would be extra helplessness of not being, mature enough to really comprehend right at the beginning.

1:02:44 At the beginning, but thankfully, still having enough introspection and enough of a toolset that he had built and his parents had given him, he could come out of it. Not necessarily unscathed or unchanged, but come out of it on the other side. Righteous right and empowered. Right. And so there's that dichotomy of like the helplessness of being a naive and immature right.

1:03:09 And that was his love of that, of that crippling just being too young to really see that. What's the truth of what's going on. And but then he's able to rise and bear the weight of. Right. So that's his redemption. Yeah. Redemption is now he's mature and sophisticated enough to where he can bring everything into focus. Right. So we and fix it and save the day.

1:03:28 And so we've got this redemption arc through him of the entire family. You know. Yeah, he's the redeemer by flux. Yeah. So, Yeah. So that's his. And then. So who who didn't have their low yet? I think we gave a low to everybody. Everybody's had a loaf and everybody's had a pass to recover. Perfect. So now at the farmers market with Jolene.

1:03:49 Oh, wait. We didn't give Samantha a full treatment of recovery. No, she. You know her. Oh, like how she came recovered? Yeah. So, Yeah, she comes back from this place. Where do you know where the fuck she woke up? Still in the. Just a shrug haze, to some extent. Yeah. Coming down from that. Right. And she's got to be a class at 8:00.

1:04:12 I don't think she's making my class. Good. Oh, maybe. Maybe that's it. Maybe she gets. Maybe she gets the notice that she's been dropped. Yeah. From school. Yeah. Right. Like, attendance policy. And that's how you tie in her going back to check. Yeah, yeah. Because she goes. She hits her. Whoa. She shares with Riley. She's been kicked out on the Thursday following the suicide attempt on the goulash.

1:04:39 Tuesday.

1:04:43 I love it, I love it. We lost you, and I totally want for dinner tonight. I think I've ever wanted. For now, I do for tonight. We're voting. So? So, you know, her love, of course, was like waking up, not knowing where she is. Yeah. You know, and then having the paintings around. Direct repercussions, you know, like her paintings around her ankles and something like that.

1:05:10 Yeah. And the three dudes in the room, like. Well, yeah. Guess what happened. And they're still are drugs out to where? They don't even know what. She's there. I don't even know what's going on. Right. Yeah. She's, like, on a dirty mattress there, you know, and some kind of one room. Drug den, you know, and it's like, wait a minute, you know.

1:05:32 Does he doesn't even have, like, feeling like there's not even the soul present at the moment. Right. Right. Empty. Bereft of emotion. And now just got kicked out of school on top of that. Right. She's in her secret spot, smoking her smoke. Riley comes up. Sees Riley playing with the dog. Yeah. And when she sees Riley playing fetch with the dog, she's like, it's so pure.

1:05:56 It's so. It's so beautiful. It's so, like, completely opposite from what I just came from. Yeah. Right. And then let's say she even, you know, goes to rehab or something. And then there they have a bunch of dogs. And that's the connection, right. She jumped out and she comes out or she's there. Dogs at the rehab. And she says, not only do I want to care for people, I want to care for animals.

1:06:16 That's right, that's right. Yep. So there's her low. Right. Okay. We got we got some covers. So then, this final thing, like she's at the farmers market and they have their dog with their, of course, you know, at the farmers market. Right. She has the dog with her, but she's she's to she's she's good now. She's made whole.

1:06:34 So the dog doesn't have to have on a vest that says therapy dog do not pet.

1:06:40 It's just a regular dog on a regular leash. Yeah. And, Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't resist. That's so great. You know what I'm talking. Yeah, absolutely. And the kind of person who has that dog. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. And and and the therapy dog do not pet. It's just a more attention grabbing than not having that. It is.

1:07:02 And it also says, look, I'm working on myself, but I still want to be insular. And I don't want to interact with you either. But I want enough pomp and circumstance and bells and whistles for you to look at me. Yep. I want you to look at me. I want you to wonder, but I don't want you to interrupt.

1:07:16 That's right. I'm what I do. Well, you know. And you know, that's the cry. Right. Out of here! Oh! Don't go. Oh, God. Please don't go. Right. Yep. Or the. Get the fuck out of here! Fine. Door slams. Cut back. It's that dichotomy. It is. It's that. It's that push and pull.

1:07:38 That's the best thing that anyone could ever do is get the fuck out of here, you say? All right. Boom! There are slams. Yep. That's a win, right? This, like you weren't literally told to get out. You were invited to leave. Yep. You pack your shit and go. So the the, the power move that the person thinks that they're making, right?

1:08:02 Like, this is my place. I'm in charge, right? You know what? Get the fuck out. Is completely squashed by. Okay. Right. I don't need this place or you. Right. It's the very least. It's fine. And there's a total win. Because the way that that is like Hollywood. So how quickly you can get your shit and go. Because that's true how integrated you are at the location.

1:08:23 Yeah. Like if it was just a disposable two person there who could look fuck. Right. Black wall rings all the way out. Let her throw that out. Yeah. You have one in your place. There we go. What hurts? Throw that out. That's a fucking win, right? What if it's. You're. You're a teenager, and all the prizes of your life is in this room?

1:08:42 Yeah. If your photos are all over the wall. Yeah. You know, in, in, like, then there long enough to where if you move the picture, there's a different color behind the picture on the. Yeah. Right. Then that's not so easy to just say. Well, you can't just pick up a go. Yeah. That's not what we're talking about here.

1:08:58 We're talking about a loose thread connection. Yes. Yes. Something that you can pull quickly right in symbolically, the fact that you don't have but a couple rag pieces of clothes in the closet and a one pair of underwear and the side of her drawer. Right. And the one disposable toothbrush next to the two of two face that was squeezed from the middle.

1:09:19 There we go. Right. But you're the kind that brand that you like that she doesn't like. Yeah, exactly. And then that. That's a sign that, like, there's no real staying here. Power. Yeah. There's no room. You can go. You can move on. You can dust yourself off. There's no, no, there's no genuine intent of of of an actual some type of fixture here.

1:09:40 Yeah. Yeah. You're not a fixture in either. Either one lives at that point. This is a transitory and transient situation, and you can afford to leave the toxicity of get the fuck out. That's right. And the expectation, the reason I say you kind of win there is because the expectation, the Hollywood expectation is you're like, oh, come on now let's let's talk this out.

1:09:59 You know, I made a mistake here. That's probably what they wanted. They wanted and they wanted to shift the power dynamic. And you make you come to them. They wanted you to put your hat in your hands. Yep. You know, put your tail between your legs and beg to stay. Right. But these are the ultimate power plays. Slam the door.

1:10:17 Okay, bye. Boom! Door slams. Hell, you doing indoor? Okay, bye. Oh, and then two days later, she's on her knees begging you to come back. You know, that's that dynamic. That's the whole early on snake Samantha dynamic. Yeah. You know, and that's in the book. You know, it's the young adult novel that we're crapping, y'all. That's right. Snake.

1:10:34 Totally. You know, was the dominant in that relationship. And that's exactly what she wanted. Because the father. What? She started seeing the father. Her father was the same old toast. Yes. That she wanted the passion. But now that all owned themselves, they fully inhabit themselves and their rocketing towards self-actualization as individuals in a family. Amen. Right. And so, like Riley and and,

1:11:00 Snake. John. Paul. John. Paul. Now. Oh. Like playing with the dog with some of the guests at this final party. Right. There's playing with dog and some of the other kids. Right? Yeah, yeah. The is on the grill. Make sure everyone gets their order. Right. You want cheese, you're blah blah blah. He's like, in the zone. He's in charge of the whole.

1:11:16 Let me get you that porterhouse. Everyone. Everyone. He's in charge of the whole scene, and everyone knows it. And he knows it. And he feels great, right? Because he's surrounded by people that love him. And they've been through this trauma together. Oh, yeah. Right. They've come out the other side and they all let him be the man, because that's what he always wanted anyway.

1:11:32 Right. And and it's and everyone's participates then in that. But he's a man in a way that doesn't denigrate. He's the man in a way that doesn't diminish. He's the man in a way that supports walls and increases the people around us. Exactly. And on the side of that fucking grill, he's got the thickest, juiciest steak. This cooking just right.

1:11:50 Just for him and him along. Here we go. Yeah. And go. Because Scott is actually is the man. And he's he's fucking great guy. Yeah. Yachting John Paul and Samantha and Riley and Joey at the very head. And in other words, Dolan is a queen. Oh, Jolene is just feeling. Feeling it beautifully. Because now there's no now there's no.

1:12:15 Let's just walk two feet back here and then. And for the days go by. Barky McQueen over here. Yeah. So, the the the tail end of the story is that everyone finally is comfortable with their humanity. Right. Yep. And it's not a happily ever after. It's a happily. What now. Potential true happiness going forward story. That's it.

1:12:33 That's it. Because. Because life stops being a series of masks and phoniness and now takes on some sober reality for everybody going forward. Even brace reality. We've embraced limitation. We've embraced possibility, and we're working together to further all of it. Stand. Stand by everybody for next week when we do the sequel, which involves the integration of the Hooten family.