0:00 So, anyway, the, the, my wife and I run a nonprofit called USA school, and we have this thing we talked about earlier, technology, philanthropy, which is the underpinning of all of our programs. And one of the programs which are doing here with positivity rate. So positivity is a production of or program of this, not lightbulbs incorporated.

0:20 There you go. Oh my balls. And so yeah, so we're talking about this YouTube band in Australia, right? And so apparently from what I recently heard is that there's this idea that they don't want children under 16, 18 of 16 about this. They don't want to show it for 16. Getting on YouTube now, the product behind that, like what is the reason why they don't want kids lives expand upon it?

0:48 Oh, girl. From the very small amount that I've read, it comes down to the ease of access of, just any sort of video that they could find on this, the stuff that is not rolling content that they should be watching stuff. More jolting themes, whether it be injury or otherwise. Believe they looked into it and it was.

1:09 Over 33% of kids have admitted to being able to find stuff like that on their show, which is why they're commonly admitted to it. Right? 33% admits 65% have seen it. Yeah. Right. Which comes down to that. And then trying to push this band so that they can keep children from accessing these topics. That's really the main thing there.

1:31 So we talked about how, of course, how ridiculously easy it would be for any child of ten years or older can easily figure out how to make a fake your email account because it doesn't require to show your ID or anything like that. You just say, oh, I'm 21 like the on the in efforts advanced by three OS where you have to actually log in and like verify your ID for what all these major porn sites and be able to.

1:59 Yeah. Yes, exactly. So now my joints are just not doing it though. That's true, that's true. We're a couple of the biggest biggest ones are. But I think the ballgame are there you say due to my own personal point of diction X answer doesn't. Yeah. I mean Tor is a bit slow, but it works great. There we go, there we go.

2:18 There was just forcing you to plan ahead a little bit and get your buffering going right. I was honest. Yeah. And I mean, hey, let's be real. If that's if that's your fix, you can afford to play the head. You know, we've talked about what you're going for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, hey, going for, you know, am I going for Mr. Hands and Horses?

2:38 So I am a yeah. Gosh, I hate that. I really like or loathing how much damn editing I'm gonna have to do. No, no, we don't edit this. We never edit this. We never in it. So anyway, we don't edit this. As a parent of three children, I am adamant about filtering from, you know, at least from my router down.

2:57 And, I'll tell you what. This is a massive enterprise to, like, try to get it to where, you know, you have kids, you know, even even, like, you know, from a 1 to 10 tech savvy, right? If you have kids that even at a five tech savvy level, right, they're going to circumvent, they can circumvent. So so he's just saying the layers of defense in depth you have to have I mean there is an early just go on YouTube video how to do it.

3:21 It's not about. So you had to sign into YouTube anyway only to watch stuff. Mark adult. Sure. Well is proxy back in the day throughout the school you'd still find boys around it. It was certain sites you could go to that would get completely around it. You could still go through these separate URLs, and one end up being able to watch any video you wanted.

3:38 One kid would figure it out and just tell the others, see kids. And it comes down to the math. And it used to be a lot harder to have a told your friends exactly how you had to see them know like that still exist. Internet, phones and stuff. For me, it's spread to block. Yeah. I mean, you know, whenever it came to messing with the computer labs back in the day, it's like, hey, oh, well, I'm running basic games or I'm, you know, or I, you know, yeah, we're going to get going to math games, going to school and, you know, stupid stuff like that existed.

4:10 Right? Right. All fresh guys in full. Yeah, exactly. Guys up there. Actually, there's something there. They're interesting archives with, like, fucking half a million of them in. This is the the software to run is what's really gone. And there's still open source splash clones that'll run a lot of it. Yeah, yeah. But their pain in the dick just I don't know, one's going to do it anymore.

4:29 It's kind of like it once was and yeah, kind of. It's good that got rid of flash, but there's definitely some loss there. But somebody like translate to the kids actually they have some value to learn how to circumvent things like is there a lesson there, maybe some value to like I think so I'm a little bit, but with how easy it is to get around it from the ones who figure it out.

4:48 Yeah, not the ones who just get told by the ones you figure it out. So the the priest class of of mischievous children who actually use the technology. You know, learn and, and I mean, that's how I got my start with computers. Like my senior year of high school, I had moved around so much, and I moved to the state I moved to for my senior year.

5:12 I had all the credits I needed. And so the only thing I had two classes I had to take, but I had all these volatility. I was I had to get to graduate, but 60 volunteer hours at in in Maryland. Yes, that's true in high school. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So that's that was a graduation requirement in Maryland.

5:30 Wow. So I had to get 60 volunteer hours in a year, so I didn't have any classes other than those two. So I spent the rest of the time volunteering at the library, volunteering at the in computer labs, things like that. And, I mean, I would be I would break the computer labs. I would get in there and fix things.

5:46 I would tweak them. I would, you know, damn, I just cut class and smoked bleeding. Oh, I did that too. I mean, I would, I would get a steal, a pad of passes from the teacher and walk around peace and smuggling walked out. I would just fucking walk out. I loved the class. I was a buyer. I wasn't ballsy enough to just walk out.

6:06 I had to legally indemnify them. Oh no, it's just fucking. So I'm done. Today sucks. I'm out and just walk out. Let's fucking. Peter was always had that kind of big ball. There's educational value in final ways to circumvent the system, right? Like so. Well, I guess even knowing that that's something to think about, right? It makes kids think, you know, there is a way around this.

6:25 I don't have to put up with this shit. So they have this big initiative back in the day. I don't know if you heard this is laptop for every Child program, digital, PC, DC yeah, he's got the one with sports on it and everything. And dutiful truth. Yeah. No kidding. No, I have it with the little antennas. It's fucking kind of impressive.

6:43 Honestly, the display is super cool. I never seen anything like it before. Sounds so. They had a side program where you, like, buy one, get one for a while. Right. So either that's what this one is. Cool, cool. And, so, you know, people wonder whatever happened to that? Well, Nicholas Negroponte fucked it up, then I am. I really screwed it up because they tried to partner with Microsoft and came out with a device that couldn't handle windows.

7:06 And yeah, it's a pig, even for the time. It's dark. Slow. Yep. It's. So anyway, that's my impression of it that MIT screwed it up trying to partner with Microsoft. But go ahead. So there are some early efficacy studies on like how affected the program was and it was actually a negative effect. If yes. Right. So like because the kids were figuring out how to hack it and play games on it rather than using it as a learning resource.

7:28 And so this is like germane, like how do we not see that coming? Is what I'm trying to say. That's like kills. People are overly optimistic. Sometimes I love some optimism, but I kind of like, let's just because it doesn't work exactly the way you want it to do it doesn't mean it's not having an impact. You're just measuring the wrong shit.

7:46 It's still having the impact. Yeah, but, you know, kids sit there clay games all day if they have the opportunity versus doing reading and writing in the real well, you want to do boring shit or fun shit. I mean, come on, you give them a machine, will you have the choice? Which one are you going to pick? We.

7:58 Did you put Halo on the old school computers until they found how to keep it off of the computer, but then we found out it could just run off a thumbs up. You weren't allowed to have it on the computer. It was blocked completely. So you could run it on an external device and a completely. So I had some places fill USB ports with fucking glue and shit.

8:16 I'm basically filling it. Or there's ways to in the windows registry, you can put filters in for USB device IDs and you can filter, you can create a white list and filter everything else. And so you can have certain USB sticks that will be valid to use and others that won't. Wells Fargo did that. But you could also do it way back in the day with windows 98, even when does nothing.

8:43 And I used to add those registry keys, to the school that I dicked around at, and CCBC even had it where you can only plug in certain USB devices. I figured out the USB IDs for, you see, looking at the registry community college like trades for. Yeah, yeah. And bought the right USB stick and just fucked around to my heart's content.

9:10 I would crack that place open. It was great. I don't know anything about windows, except for what's under the hood and how to break it. Well, I mean, that's the bulk of it, isn't it? Yeah, true. But I don't know anything about it except for exactly how it works. And then this. But this guy, this guy showed me how to fix windows using Linux and how to make windows better using Linux.

9:30 So, you know, and how to deploy windows using Linux. I'm going to fucking a good tool that does things I don't know why not. Right? Open source and other people fucking hack on everything anyway, so if you're pretty savvy it gun I'd like to think that I am. I've been in the now for 30 years plus and it's embarrassing to say, but it's been there for plumbers who've done it for 50 years and still worked for Fuck No.

9:53 So it's very possible that until just I'm not trying to say that's not the case, but I'm trying to say along a line, I was probably picked up something. Oh, of course, of course. And this morning, Scotia, those farmers, I never picked up a few inches. And so the, you know, the things that I picked up along the line really still don't serve me in really fully locking down my system for my kids.

10:15 So like, that's crazy reality to find yourself in this apparent. Right. Like knowing it at least, you know, thinking you know it and, you know, trying to put a technology layer in place that really, truly protects your kids and puts right the right type of controls and throttles and all that kind of stuff on their electronics with the kids that are don't have much experience at all, able to circumvent and able to do things.

10:39 But we're not playing cat and mouse games around here. We talk it, we talk about it. Right. But, so we're like a partnership together. And the kids agree that they need some filtration. They actually have a thing that came out or or they just say that because they know that's what you want to hear it. And they're not stupid.

10:54 No, that's that's always we are going to stand there and argue with you or that. Oh yeah, you're right. Which one is going to serve that better do you. Right. No. And you know there's layers. And I like the things that I'm mostly on top of that too. And there's all kinds of things like, you know, I parents always play games with the kids, good and bad games, but you play games with the kids sometimes about letting them get away with things, you know, that they're that that they're we are bullshitting you.

11:17 You just let them get away with it because you read between the lines. But dad always said, well, don't let me catch you doing something right. It was never did do something. It was always, don't get caught doing something dumb. And then it's the same with all when it comes to filtering. How much do you feel, sir? But oh, what?

11:35 Never, never would have grown up the way that I did, not having access to the stuff and the unfiltered access as well, where it also comes into where do you start drawing the line of what you shouldn't. Shouldn't? Yeah. What's beyond the pale? Because you have to let your kids participate in society to some degree. They have to have an anchor to pop culture, and they have to know these things so they can participate.

11:59 It's social currency. Yeah, well, I wouldn't start cobbling through much. Yes. I don't know really shit about raising kids. And the bulk of this wasn't really around when I was at the age, but my own opinion is that it's comparable to fucking abstinence education. Do you just tell the kids no, don't do it. No, don't do it.

12:17 No don't do it. Well yeah. Then they're fucking. You get these huge outbreaks of STDs and child pregnancy like it completely doesn't work. The best most effective way to do it is to be on their side and then teach you. Teach them what it is, teach them playing and simple. Exactly what everything is, how it works, what matters, what what causes problems.

12:34 And these are the actual real problems. And show them and bring them up and educate them on the realities of instead of just trying to hide it from them. Because all you shouldn't, you shouldn't. It's not good for you. But then, well, what happens if somebody tells you you can't have something? Well, suddenly you want it? Yes, but if you're showing everything and just explain plainly what it all is, then you kind of, you know, it's like kids who parents let them have, like, you know, they're fucking 16 and they get to have the beer with their dinners and it takes yeah, it's not a big deal anymore.

13:03 But the other kids who are never live to see it, then somebody like my house for a party, I'll get shit face and get fucking poison. Yeah. So you expose by degrees and you take the stigma. Educate them. Yes. Educate and take the stigma out of it. Take the cool factor out of it. And you know, that's that's why countries have decriminalized and opened up drug use like Australia is on that.

13:26 Right? There's a some degree. No, no, not at all I don't know. Oh I think I thought they had some a higher degree of openness than we have. No. There are certain things medicinally and you have to have proper losses from. Okay. Yeah. So as needed for grants and stuff like that or. No. No not really. It's there's a lot of health lines and places to go to get help and support for things right when they've already been taken to far.

13:55 But there's yeah, there's a hardbound. We couldn't even Wade's got a hard banned like it's illegal pretty much across the board unless I've sent you getting it through very specified venues and it's for medical. Yeah. So that's still not even most places. Even that's that's the only some places here that you can have it. So that's progressive compared to us.

14:15 Yeah. That really is it really. Yeah. Because we we started out as a puritanical haven for people who felt they were religiously persecuted. They're still dry counties in North Carolina where they're not allowed to sell alcohol in to. That's all. Yeah. You think it's. No really. And to circle back to Noah's calling about teaching kids North Carolina Charlotte progressive city right is 30th in the as far as the number of cases in the nation of cities.

14:44 I read that not only the absolute strain doesn't work. Yeah. And so it's it's all of these things. Hard bands don't work. You guys are at least taking a softer approach to it then it, you know, unilaterally than we are. So I think, you know, an absence program is kind of ridiculous if that's like your, you know, single tool to try to deal with it because like you just said, everything he says.

15:08 But, you know, if you have a fully comprehensive sex education program and you say, hey, the only really way to fully avoid, you know, getting a disease or pregnant is by abstinence, then that's becomes a, you know, something like you said, education. But so from my approach from my kids and it might be wrong. It might be right, I don't know.

15:24 Hopefully it's right is that I talk all different too. So the proposed the match. You know, I told them that like, people that were raised for now because we now have like the the numbers are coming in. Right. There's numbers coming in now on like high schoolers that have had always on internet their whole life. So the default state for an American child is that little to no filtering on their content.

15:45 Sure, that's the default sake. And so what you literally have is that kids that have access to full the full depth and breadth of the internet and all the and disinformation that come across that. Right. And then if the parents are reluctant to talk about certain things, they're that's their primary source of information. Sure. So the kids then are being we have a whole generation now raised on a healthy diet or an unhealthy diet of missing disinformation.

16:07 Okay, is the primary source of a lot of their understanding of the world. And so my approach of my kids is to say that, like, these tools are in place to limit that content to begin with, and the same limits are on me. Like, my computer doesn't have access to this stuff either, because I don't need this stuff, right?

16:22 Like it's not necessary. And, if you do circumvent and see some stuff on there, there's there is harm that will come from it's too much exposure to this stuff. It'll change your point of view about how certain things are in the world. Unrealistically. Sure. Right. Just like being too saturated in anything, any ideology concerns. I'm being a lot of like you TikTok and you YouTube.

16:44 Just anyone can say, what was it the saying the, don't you idiot or village idiot? Oh yeah, them and the whole village could ignore him. They can say whatever the fuck this dumbass, the voice going to affect any type is this guy and not. And it was socially kind of put in their own bubble. Now the associated with anyone can post anything anyone else who in the nicest term is another village idiot who doesn't quite know or is just ignorant of fans can immediately take up a stand or a point of view that is completely wrong, though it has no basis in any sort of scientific background or fact, and it's just complete opinionated.

17:25 Or they've heard it from somewhere else that's been passed down. Can you end up with you? He's whispers further and further, and it just becomes this big blind out thing where all these people believe something, and then your kids have access to that and they're not dumb, but then they're not ignorable speaking. I don't have enough just general world knowledge to be able to make their own actual proper point of view.

17:49 It's just they're going to take what is given to them and they're going to go with it. Yeah, kids aren't stupid. They're just ignorant. Yes, yes. That's it. And but but to this whole silly stupid. Yeah, right. Some are some people will start. But it's the amplification of the village idiot and the proliferation of it because these memetic ideas, these these worldviews spread and they're like an infectious disease.

18:16 So the internet is this platform that proliferates these crazy and saying ideologies. Yeah. And, you know, it gives them a place to exist and it gives them equal footing and credence. Whereas the village idiot was walled off. Now the village idiot is his own king. Yeah. And people like affirmations, you know, here we want to be told the shit they already like, and so they'll fucking go with it and ignore things.

18:41 Do not. Damn, it's confirmation bias. So that's the one. We now have a generation of children that been raised on always on internet, and a lot of them when when you ask them their sentiments towards it, they say they wish they didn't have that. They actually say, there's this. I'll put the study in our extra notes for this.

18:57 Right. But there's they actually say in like basically exit interviews as they're leaving high school. They say, I wish I didn't have all that exposure to the pornography into the, the Pornhub and all this crap. Like it. Actually, I wish I didn't have it. One of the biggest ones is just general social media with the ease of access of specially bullet and those sorts things.

19:16 Okay, I'm such a big problem where you could hide behind. You didn't have to be the big physical boy anymore. You had me worried. Cowboys, you can say whatever you wanted as whoever you wanted to be with, you know, and you could do it while people are on, whether at their weakest during the night, during the warning that you.

19:36 There was just no escape from a bar, completely disconnected. And how much access to be able to talk to friends and those sorts of things. Now, all the social status with it meant that they can't then just disconnect. So it's just a consistent cycle. So there's another the boys get that disconnection you just brought into something for me very recently is I did this thing, this isolation chamber like float tank thing.

20:01 Yeah. Yeah. I never did on floor, but I would love it. You saw it, tried it out. Right. And, so you get some revelations when you're in there because it's, your brain is in a different mode because you're not a is. It's an unusual in its usual environment. So your brain starts doing unusual things. Yeah. By doing so.

20:18 Yeah. Exactly. And so you know what I what my mind kept going to what I kept thinking about is, wow, for this moment that I'm in this isolation, my cell phones obviously not going off because you wouldn't know if it would. I wouldn't know if it was. And, so it's like soundproof light proof. It's completely black. No sound whatsoever.

20:36 And they're floating in this, like, really dense, Epsom salt, really densely would say, like float high in the water. Yeah, but the air temperature and the water temperature the same, and it's body temperature. So it's like you can't have a tactile, like you can't even tell what part of your body is in the water or what parts in the air.

20:53 Yeah. There's no stimulation once away. It's so for all intents and purposes, you're just like floating in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a brand new drugs, just existence. And that's pretty much about it. Yeah. No. I'm sorry. My wanders and creates and, you know, imagines stimuli I think I think it's therefore I am it. Oh so, so for me it's like, you know, like it's like you just said, I'm a parent of three and a, you know, father and I'm gay with non-trivial work and community involvement, all this kind of stuff.

21:22 And like that moment that, that our in this little chamber maybe realizes that it was terrible. All of my, almost all of my stimulus and all of my, like, prompts and all the things that, like, get me to act are always external. They're always like, for somebody else or for some of the thing and like, never, ever do anything whatsoever for like just me for the sake of doing in me.

21:44 And and I'm fine with that. That's my life. It's the life I've chosen. But it's like I never it gave me that awareness of that reality. Right? Because like, for that moment, I was in there. I couldn't answer an email. I couldn't, you know, like I couldn't hear about, oh, the, you know, your son's sick at school. My son was at school.

22:00 Someone's going to have to deal with it for this hour. You weren't a reactive endpoint. Yeah, you were, and you were an end unto yourself. And you existed as this single point of light that you got to explore. What that sounds to me like as you struggle with delegation. Maybe. Maybe. But, what what it revealed to me was that, like, not only is that the truth, but I kind of like that truth.

22:22 Like, I, I'm happy about that. Like it was. It's I'm not I'm not like, I'm not down on the idea. It's like, what the fuck? Awesome, right? I'm glad that I get to, like, spend my life in service of other people, my kids and my family, in my community. You know what? I'm in my in my useful for, you know what I mean?

22:41 So it's like, does a person have to be useful? No, no, no, not necessarily. But like I've never like had a massage before or like gone to like a spa day. This is the first thing in this domain I've ever done because it's like I never would even think to do those things like, you know, oh, let me go get a massage.

22:56 I'm feeling stressed right now. Like, you know, that's never even crossed my mind my whole entire life. So like this moment of, like, just being like, well, this is just for me at this moment, and it's it's two degree uncomfortable, but I'm made me reveal that I'm actually, like, happy with my life. And that was a great thing.

23:12 That was a great revelation to be like, you know, I like my life the way these, you know, it's like, that's fucking awesome. Yeah, it's fucking man. I really recommend the experience because it's like, it's definitely going to have you think of something you wouldn't have thought of otherwise. So this is all the Light Assault squad. If you're allergic to Epsom salt.

23:29 Yeah it probably not the right answer. Yeah, but it'd be interesting to see what what it looks like. It's going to open the tanks, the big old soundtrack to come out as a real quiet. Yeah, it'd be a life affirming, you know, experience where the couple of minutes. Yeah. Life affirming, a couple of minutes. Where are you going?

23:48 To like to shop. The biggest thing way to find out. They would have taken more buoyant. I am so, yeah. You might swallow this mint. Yes. Yeah. And I would just look at you a better the chewy up our Sheila. I want to see the raw footage of when they first opened the tank. Please whistle. I will see you bring a capsule of pre crush a Benadryl and just take a bump every few minutes.

24:16 I don't think it's worth it. You would have some thoughts. So I would give the experience like an eight. It would have been better if they had like a really cold shower they could have taken afterwards. That would've been great. Go to the frozen things that you can go see. The sound like the atmosphere would float again. So I was like two, like four times there was too high.

24:38 So it was like uncomfortably like hot after afternoons. And then the other thing that would have made it like a, I think a squeak. So, you know, the, the only other thing that would have made it a ten out of ten was like, knowing knowing all the expectations before and after, like, so, you know, you go into a blind, you know, I don't know, I feel like that would kind of fucking ultimate though maybe.

24:59 No, I would choose to not have that. But yeah, I think this is bliss. You know, you want to have a bit of surprise. You want to come out, learn something, right? If you do something new, but you already know everything about it, I feel like that ruins a bit of the magic. True. So for me, I'm thinking roll on the lines of bring deep, bring your own deodorant.

25:13 Okay, I got you there, but I'm gonna. I suppose it's warm and there, isn't it? Yeah. I guess I'm going to bring up an epiphany I had the other day from all of us talking about everything. You know, it's really Chris. You're always seeking certainty, and I feel like certainty, and we all kind of are. We're all, you know, but certainty is the death of mystery.

25:39 Certainty is the death of. It's the you know, people always say, what's the opposite of faith? I really feel like it's certainty in faith is hoping for more, hoping for mystery for extra. So, you know, if you're always chasing to know exactly what's happening, you kill that kind of mystery and wonder so you don't let the magic into your life.

26:03 It's very true. So there's no reason to take part of your VCR to know how the VCR works. No it's not. Well, it's not sightseeing. Also, you lose some of the magic. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And that in my life, I don't know, I've, since I was a child, always been just compelled to find how things work and learn about things and see all the bits and pieces and really, really like property.

26:23 Learn how it works. And like I found over the years, I am super jaded about a lot of things that other people also done. So cool, I love this, I love that, and I take one look at it and in my head I see all the pieces and out goes together and I know what the issues are. You know what failings are with this and what compromise they had a little bit and it's just like it's just a pile of facts now where everyone else is, oh, this is so great.

26:45 That's great. I love this, I love that, and I'm just like, oh, I know I can tell you all about it. So somebody to me, yeah, I can look at the series now. Designer. You can think of the VCR as this magic thing. You put the tape in, it's connected to the TV, and somehow you put this like, oh, this is great, but then you have this.

27:01 I think the opposite is true. I argue the opposite is true because once you understand the mechanics and all the moving parts that happen and how it does what it does, it adds, no, not that takes the mystery away from it. You now can appreciate so much more all of the things that it can do. And I have 100% with.

27:15 Right. But the emotion is gone. That's the thing. If anything, I appreciate how fucking smart the the crazy bastard that came up with it. And I appreciate all the effort and tuning and what goes into making it reliable to the point where it considering can buy it. But at the end of the day, it's a complex tool that does something that I wanted to be done.

27:33 But but there's no connection anymore. But but there is connection now. Well, yeah. Has to plug into your TV. Well, no, but now that you understand it, you probably also see avenues for improvement. You probably also see ways that you could repurpose it or use it or other ways, you know, you can use. You see it now as a component in a system.

27:54 And yeah, and that is very much a positive thing in my case, the, you know, going back to the whole lose the magic, it's just the emotional connection goes away the more I learn about things. So okay. Not so. So it's an appliance. It's okay, it's okay. It's just one more fucking thing you don't know. Yeah. Screwdriver. My box.

28:11 You know, it's not a magical about that. There's no connection. Well, it's just say, for instance, say like, naive to all these things, and you get. You want a VCR because you have some VCR tapes that you want to buy. Whatever. Right. And so, you take the same, you go to the store and you buy this appliance, you're done or anything about it.

28:24 Sure. Right. You take it in, follow the instructions, you plug it in, plug in the TV, put the same name, press play. Right. Right. Okay. And you're like, okay, this is awesome. I can now watch, you know, the Transformers, whatever. That's all right. And so on. You know, all that's cool. But then you get out of your little screwdriver and you start tinkering in there, and you take the time and you learn the ins and outs of that whole damn thing.

28:43 And not only you understand how it works, you understand? Like, you go really deep, okay? Like you figure out in the physics and physics. Yeah. What chip was made where. Right. And what you start to realize is just through the simple thing of a VCR. Like the whole fucking world was involved. There's chips here made in Taiwan. This is made over here.

29:01 They put this assembly together in Japan, right? And all this came together. And then the, the, the actual like body of the thing that stamped metal it. I was going to say, John, air China is the rule of all engineer and all this stuff came together and all this had to come from schematics that some engineer figured out and like all this.

29:18 Right. And so that goods of innovation on the originals. Yeah. And so you're talking about mystery and wonder. You now have access to this whole new layer of all this human activity that went into just producing this, you know, to before it was just an appliance. Right. Well, and I find and that's but that's the way that I stay connected to the more I learned about things, I found that I always like the, the history of technology, the way things came about.

29:43 I always find myself like like like you said, the VCR. I'll I'll take that and I'll go back in time and study what came before and how it came. Beer. Go, go back to the point where this thing actually first came. You want to understand her story? The big fucking two inch tape machine, I think this fucking big that they first used in, like, the late 60s and early 70s just to replace shit so you could watch something again and so understand the historical and technological content.

30:06 Yeah, I like that. I love the history. You say Kelly Martin will come down to just one of the things that I've always wanted to look into, sort of specifically held myself off of, was just learning how the aurora exists. And as we come to actually very one of the many pieces, I would love to go and see it.

30:25 And that's one of the next big, big trips. That's sort of me. And no, here travel plans to go up to Alaska and go and see the lights. And as much as I would love to know the scientific reasons of how it comes, how it works. Yeah. What what it exists, it would certainly kill the magic a little bit.

30:44 It would still be wonderful to see it be a beautiful thing to go on, sort of actually experience, but being able to see it and experience it as just a natural phenomena and not knowing how it works, it's certainly a lot more. It has a lot more emotion behind it than learning about it first and then going. And yes, I see that.

31:06 But I say, well, listen, be like, oh, this is happening, that I get asked me agree with Kris that it doesn't take that magic from me. I can stand back objectively and see them and I can still see the awesomeness of it, I don't know, go ahead. It's nice to just think that it could be. Could be anything.

31:22 Sure, the wonder of mystery is certainly a lot more intriguing than knowing the exact reasonings behind it, and in seeing it when you first see it. Of course, at that moment you then be going, well, I know how this works, this happens and this happens and this happens and what it was doing. It's a wonder of the world.

31:40 It certainly does take just a bit of that wonder and sort of the magic and the excitement behind not knowing. Sure. And sometimes not knowing can be just a little bit more enthralling than knowing her works. So from my viewpoint of history is what people two things happen with with this not knowing factor. Right? Is that two two things definitely happen.

32:00 One is people just make up stories to us, right, miss? Or across the mentions. Right. That's that's one thing that's happening. Or a small group of people figures it out how it works scientifically, but then lets everyone else stay in the realm and then use the great societies, uses jasmine to gain dominance over the other people. Right? So like for example, if you had access to how, when and how lunar eclipses were because you had a star chart, you had we had a mechanism that would allow you to predict here, right.

32:26 You could bestow yourself. Yes. Well, you know what I'm getting you. You could put yourself in front of a crowd of people and say, I spoke to God. And God told me that if you don't shouldn't put all this the mood that he's going to be walking the sun out and blah, blah, blah, and then the people are giving them, giving you everything they can, all their valuables.

32:42 And you're like, this isn't enough. This isn't enough. Well, it came down to they just told you that you're grazie. And then and that it falls out unless you're Rasputin's or Alistair Crowley or any of these cults of personality that have managed to just, you know, be the big, swinging cultural dicks who use their knowledge to control. That's where in this case, I'd like to experience once and then happen to learn about.

33:08 I would always that's true a strategy. I love the experience, something for the wonder of what it is originally and then wants to be experienced. The wonder. Learning how something works is then its own wandering experience in love itself. I think that's that's so cool. I did having a strategy like that. So you start off saying, like, I'm going to go in completely naive.

33:28 I'm going to take it in for what it is, the spectacle right then. But then I'm going to like, really understand this. So we're going to revisit it. And then how do you visit it again? Sure. Okay. So you learn it and then do it again. I love it. So last year I came over here, we pushed the the the date to come over here a little bit earlier so we didn't miss out and going and seeing your world and those things.

33:50 But while I was over Australia we had the solar flare and Australia actually got the Australia spot. Yeah. Australia happens in my hometown. And I completely missed it because I was over here. So it was a it was one of those random moments where it just happened to be showing you the world where it ended up coming down the East Coast either.

34:13 Oh yeah. Yeah. Remember? Yeah, yeah. Missed everything. I called a couple other people and they thought I got a few pictures in the it didn't see all, you know me, I needed up seeing it a little bit. I don't think I still want to see the Borealis and Australis too. Well it's got a lot more sort of oranges, pink strata.

34:31 Whereas, aurora borealis is a lot of your greens and pinks know sort of stuff. That's neat. So okay, so it's completely different. They are difficult. So we can still get your grains and lots of things, but they're a lot less prominent. The colors are actually shift. I don't know if it comes down to just the minerals in the air or any of those sorts of things.

34:50 I think there's only has a lot of iron dust and those sorts of things which that affects it, which is why we get the colors. Yes. Well, I think it's not something I've looked into deliberately just to try to experience. Well, that's why we get some of those really nice pink views and smog build areas because of the impurities in the air.

35:08 And during these meteor showers, depending on what the color of the meteor is, you know, what different titles. And yeah, you know what elements of this. Yeah. So we try to use this like a metaphor before, but I like it's I think it's worth repeating because like you guys are here to hear us. It's totally germane to our conversation.

35:25 Is that like this idea of different phases in your life and in different joys and experiences that you can have, right. So like this whole idea of going to see the aurora borealis, take it for what it is first time, be it all inspired at nature, the magnitude, the spectacle is incredible, right? Take it in for what it is, then learn all about it and then go back again and you're like, actually look for these little nuances.

35:45 Oh, I see now how to make I can see the angles. I can see how that the magnetic field, I can actually see that, you know, to experience it twice. Yeah. Screen style with a new lens during a letter. Right. And so there's this metaphor of like it was just another camera there. There's this metaphor of the magician is that you go there when you're a kid and you see him cut the lady in half and you're like, oh my God, oh my God.

36:05 He cut it in half and he put it back together and you're like, blown away. Like you're like, where's all the blood going on the school. This. If I had this to him. Yeah, right. But well hold on. But they're a kid and you're a kid and it's actually magic, right? And it is magic that the person did that thing.

36:22 Yeah. Right, right, right. And then later on in life, he or he learned more and more experience. And you've been learned that there's a lady folded up in the second half of the box. And, you know, you know, that's how the toes were wiggling as the magicians separated it out. And then you can go back to the magician show, and now you can look at it for like, how well did that magician perform that trick?

36:41 So like, you can you can experience another level to their performance. You can you can judge it or experience it with another level that you didn't have access to before. Sure, you can see like the the showmanship and you can look at the stage, you can see that it's a kid. You can't. You guys still go back and build the same magic.

36:58 I guess I'm really good at preserving my own dumbass now you. But it's easy. It just gets sloppy drunk first. Well I did, I think I'm already there most of the time, so I guess maybe that's the unique part of it. My brain already only half works, so I was getting to that in the metaphor as I was.

37:15 See, there is there. So then like, you know, you're kind of middle aged and you learn even more like you go to the next level, you read some books about magic and stagecraft and all this stuff, things and how like different lensing and mirrors work and the lights and all this. Right now you go to the performance again, you go see magician in the middle years.

37:32 Right? And you should see all these things happening, all the coordination, all the lights, all this strange as you get that in a whole depreciation for the level of depth of production and all this production value that went into it and everything that went into that performance. And then you can look over at the kids and see their faces and re-experience them through the splendor, their splendor of seeing it through the first time, reminding yourself at the time that you are so now you're in your twilight years and you're able to sit back and take it in, in every way, at simultaneously or in any way, focusing on any particular aspect.

38:04 Yeah. And so that is the, the, the mystery to my mind, the ultimate thing of like the mystery of life, of not ruining it is understanding that there's all these different layers and how you can enjoy all of them at once, or just go and enjoy one aspect of it. Watch the kids, watch the performances, get to pick.

38:21 That's the beauty of it. You can choose your approach, you can choose the lens through what you view. And so the magic is never lost. In essence, it's becomes preserved and enriched, multi-layered. I think that also shows the value of trying to maintain an open mind and a good attitude throughout your life. That's why that's why we have this, you know, trope that at this point of positively pedestrian, right, is that we we say that like, you can choose at the end of the day, how you orient to this experience.

38:51 You can look at it totally positive. Or if you want to, you can be a, you know, a pessimistic apple. And just, do I use this shit? You can you fuck this up over here? This whole thing? Yeah. Fuck this guy making money full and Ted's, you know, this is beer shit. I know how this works. You can't fool me.

39:06 Yeah, yeah. He's just. Yeah, right? Right. He's just conning everybody. And there's these pragmatic and then have to ruin it for others because it's not perfect for them anymore, right? Yeah, yeah. And that's just it. Was it. Joy. Joy shared is doubled. Where? No. Hell, yeah. How does a pain shared is halved? Whereas Joy shared is Donald project.

39:29 And.

39:32 What this is was something this comes down to. Sharing pain means that it's diluted and it's lower. Whereas sharing happiness can sort of expound, expunge upon itself. Give us the exact quote and we'll put that as a cordial. Yeah, that sounds really cool. So I have a really brief story about a magician performance that I think you guys are that ties the ties into what we're partners.

39:57 Is, is that, so, I mentioned I was in the military and we were on a base, getting ready to come home, and this was from Afghanistan. So we're on this, like, base, and it's pretty big, and it's safe. It's in a safe zone, right? That thing. So, like, you can kind of let your guard down a little bit.

40:12 And so they had some like R&R tech things. And one of the things they had was this magic show. Right. And it was hilarious. So first of all, it was like, I mean, it wasn't like David Copperfield or something, you know? No, you know, dude, just somebody they could get to go out there. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, hats off to him.

40:27 He had completely volunteered to, like, put himself in a danger zone to entertain troops. But it was a USO type ship. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. And this guy was like the magician you could ever imagine. Like the the the lighting was, was shit. The whole thing is some fun in that, though. I like being B-movies saying so. So I'll have you read that in a second.

40:48 Yeah. That's perfect. And so I, I don't know what he just did. So anyway, this got this guy is like, up here and he's doing this like stuff and he's got this, like, rubber band attached to something, right? And you can see the rubber band stretch across the thing going to his back or something. Right. And let's go this thing and like really quickly go behind his back.

41:05 And you know, he's posture like oh yeah he's posturing like, wow, where'd it go? And everyone just saw exactly how the trick was done and how lame it was. Right. And so this beautiful, magical thing just happened somehow, organically. Right. Is that some asshole in the crowd like.

41:23 That was awesome. How did you do that? You know, it was like, why don't you get everybody going? Every. Yes, you knock it down. But right now, make sure you know everyone in the room. Every guy would do the dumbest thing. Well, you don't need it. The one is drooping. He squeezes it, and it's like, right here, this buddy, it's like, yeah, that's awesome.

41:39 This dude, this magician. Never. He did not have the emotional intelligence to understand what was happening. Like it totally. It was a reverse magic show. He he thought he followed everybody. So he was just riding high and happy, and he was beaming. He was beaming. So this was the highlight of this man's life, said 100%, I hope so.

41:57 That's awesome. That's fucking great for everyone. It is. And why not do that? That's fine. We're out. Yeah. You know, and he's like, you know, everything the guy did, you could totally see how he did it. Like it was. No. Yeah. It's like, there was no opposition. There was no art to it. It was just open and.

42:16 Yeah, it. Yes, yes, it was. Yeah. But that turned it into one of the most morale boosting things best. And it was self and you know, that's that's the beauty in life right there because you had that cheered Julie. Totally like this man's about to read this quote. Oh yeah. Let's, let's let's get that in there now.

42:34 Well the quotes by Spider Robinson, which is yeah, shared pain is lessened, shared joy is increased. Thus we refute entropy as obvious, which all comes down to everything. All exists in a single state, trying to keep the state of happiness being one of the biggest things. So reducing the amount of pain that there is, whereas increasing the amount of joy that we can share and spread.

42:58 Equating entropy and chaos with pain and negativity and saying joy is a way to combat that chaos, that ever dwindling state that we say things are reduced to. That's cool. That's like that's fundamental nature of the universe kind of shit. The entropy. Right? The university on its own kind of wants everything to balance it even out, and takes effort and energy to keep things fucking separated from just averaging into nothing in the universe.

43:27 Right? Sure. That's why I really breaks down all the stars fucking go supernova and explode and things crumbled to nothing and everything fucking decays like it's it's really special and unique for something to not be just blending into the background radiation, even just on the level of physics. Right. So then the take that into the way people act and behave is it is fucking great.

43:46 It is. I mean, it's it's a masterful extrapolation. And, you know, I, I really admire that. I mean, I know for me, most of my spewing of the idle vapors of a modern diseased, but I entropy the but fuck entropy. And you know, that's what I think. That's what we're all trying to do, you know, get through the big middle theater dance for entropy and say we exist.

44:10 We're shouting that out into the void. Yeah, yeah. The existence of entropy in a in a temple state. You know, if you have a fleeting time on this planet in your lifetime and you have a things eroding around you. You can see within your lifetime, you can literally put energy into to to overcome that. Having a lifetime positive impact on the world is always kind of what we as people try to push out there.

44:36 We always want to be remembered for something. I have our own sort of little name left in the history books. Yeah. How about domain? Our own 15 something were recognized for, so I was actually chastised one time, like, by by a boss. And, this was I'm not going to name name because it's not appropriate, but I don't want to shame somebody.

44:53 But anyway. Jerry. Yeah, sure. Jerry. Party fucking Tony. So it was an older gentleman, and I walked in the bathroom and he was at the he was at the right, and I pulled up to the one next to him. And you know what is your fault? You you gonna this to your escaped. We fucking it, you know, of him and some asshole got to come right next to me.

45:16 Yeah. No, no, you better follow in in certain way. You didn't want to. Those guys. You're in a letter E, it's called. I would never do that. Yeah, I would never do that if there was. If there was €3, I'm going to walk in. If there's street. Yeah. You. You're the guy that goes in the middle or right to me.

45:34 Urinals and one guys in the far left. I'm going to the far right if I first. He's in the middle. I'll probably go to one of the others like so nicely you got there, right? Right. But but it's it's the same with elevators. There's just this unspoken etiquette and how you move or why hate people. Stand there. Yak in the elevator, man.

45:53 Shut up. Just be quiet. That's good. To my next floor. That's right. So you don't have to ride in person with me. There was literally two years and he was at blind, so I rolled up to the other boy. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was not speaking either. I was doing my business and, you know, he's in midstream when I come in and I swap in and he's an older gentleman, I get some prostate issues or something.

46:12 So I, I did my thing and he was still going. Yeah, yeah. And so I'm over there washing my hands. Right. And he comes over and washes his hands and we're like about to walk out kind of together. Now my hand washing routine was a little bit more elaborate than his. Just because I'm kind of guy, I am.

46:25 And so he actually finished, even though I was just saying first he finished washing his hands first. Right. Takes the towel, does this, puts this towel, and he starts headed off to the door and he notices that I'm done now washing my hands, and I have my towel and I'm cleaning up all the water on the sink, right, I see.

46:40 And he goes, what are you doing? Right? Oh, and I was like, oh, I'm just clean enough to sing the, the, the water that splash over, you know? Yeah, man. And, I said, I like to try to leave every space better than it was when I came on to it, especially if it's space that my colleagues are sorry.

46:56 Yeah. Like, because I was like, shared domains. There's no ascendant. Fix it. I wasn't raised on that way, per se, but I was like, I had a, a teacher in my high school, a social studies teacher that I really admired, and, and he said that to me one day, and it like it, like it just did.

47:14 Something clicked in my brain. Yeah. And I was like, man, it goes to that entropy thing. I was like, if everybody did that, if everybody just like, left every space a little bit better than they found it, like, I mean, have you been through a portal? Yes, yes. Yeah. They're rather motivated to do that though. You know, one of the things, if you're generally not working, what you don't have work is you helps you post up.

47:37 You get the strange, that beautiful, beautiful place. That was very nice. You spit gun down, you came. Oh, yeah. No you can't. During the under police will actually saying people I've heard they would I just didn't know the litany of offenses they would do so. Oh yeah. True. That is beautiful. Yeah. They don't actually have a law is showing and disposing of it that that like, a cultural appreciation for the shared spaces is a virtue for sure.

48:03 That's a moot. And so, anyway, this this dickhead, like, chastised me. He's like, you know, why would you, you know, it was work. Yeah, that's not your problem. You wasting your time, right? Yeah. This, this. And I like that kind of asshole here we have, like, you know, company that does that don't don't you don't do that.

48:19 Right. But do you know there's a company that doesn't care and he doesn't matter. Yeah, exactly. Why not clean up my mess? Why be a fucking collective cop suck? Well, they probably appreciate it, too. That's that much less shit they have to do exactly that. They can't use their time to make the whole place even nicer. Exactly. They can to try the other things, right?

48:38 Go home a little, sister. Help! 15 minutes. I meant to use difference in your day. So the the kind of take away from the story for me was that there's like people in this world that like, literally things like that. Like, I never even thought that there, you know, like, I didn't have the presence of mind that there's some people that have that type of mindset.

48:54 Yeah. And but they're all right. And so that was that was a big revelation for me that like someone would think negatively about, you know, quickly cleaning Emma space and time. Yeah. I mean, in my opinion that senile slug needs salt poured upon him. Stack the best. He he has the energy of a tired snail returning home from a funeral.

49:13 Come on, let's go. Let's let's put it this way. At his retirement party, which was the next year. One of the one of the big wigs in the company, turned to me when he was saying his card and said, how do you spell reduce? Yes. We. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was beautiful, especially to broadcast that.

49:31 And don't you love how certain words are just pigeonholed and have certain, you know, the word radiance is kind of using it. Yeah. You know, you're like, I know you use in the context of good reason. Yes, exactly. You know, you didn't write that in this card, but. Well, that's unfortunate. I don't know how to score that. Yeah, yeah.

49:52 Okay. Now it would have been like a full bore. Similar. Right. If, like, not only did he write that, but then it also signed it. Yeah I wouldn't you. I mean you stand by such a statement. Get fucked. I hated working with you. Your piece of debate signed the bus. Good motherfucking riddance in a rainbow cross that I've been in Sandy documentation to HR for ten years.

50:13 Finally, those lazy assholes do their job. Goodbye, it.

50:17 Let me work for you sometime. Oh, I'd love to see. You know, the guys, like, his vision is not as good as it used to be. So he doesn't really see it, and he gets it mounted. And so late permanently on this. Like this. Like what for? Yeah. Oh, no. The guy could have said my vision is not as good as it used to be.

50:33 I can't see why you work here so long. Oh, so this big whacker on the wall, right. And there's, like, the corporate photo of all the people. And then there's the card there and mounted little like Matt. Those cut up nice. It's got the nice trimmings and everything's beautiful and like literally grandkid goes up to it and it says what do we gonna give fuck.

50:55 Peter Vine. That'll be like a family heirloom. And it's like in the family now. Everyone hates you. This will be passed down for generations. That's a reminder of the fuckery that our great grandfather visited upon the world. So, this this whole thing of a passing on generations, I. I don't watch that many videos online. I'm not like, I, I make it a conscious effort.

51:18 I watch my own screen time, I make sure I don't spend too much time. I put my own controls on there because, like, I know that I can sit there and start school on videos and then right. Lightings did. Yeah. But the difference being is that I don't take all the time. Oh, no. There we go. There we go.

51:37 So you kind of just let it pass through you. Everyone's got an excuse. Oh, so there was this there there was this moment for me. Right? I was like, man, that's been. Which was shown on the Ken Held super beer. So I had worked I had worked all day. And then I had an early morning. Yeah. No. Right.

51:52 I got up in the morning and did some exercise. I felt like an hour doing some exercise and stuff like that. Do everything right. That got got my day ready, organized stuff like that. And it was like my days of that problem, you know, and I worked my ass off all day. In fact, then I did something with the kids.

52:06 My son had a sports event or whatever, and then came back and I did more work at night. Right. So it's like I was up at like 430 and it's like 10:00 now and I'm like, know, get ready to go to bed. Yeah. But I'm like thinking of the day. And I'm like, man, good day. I didn't overeat today and I like, did you know this is the kind of day I'm like to have, you know, reflect on the day.

52:24 I was like, man, this is is able to smoke, crack, crack Satan. And then. Yeah. And then and you know, just get the usual taken care of. It just derail my brain by saying smoking, travel saying.

52:38 Good one Jack. Well who's joking? Yeah. Guys don't do that. I think that, like, you smoke crack and then you think that you smoke. Okay. So think you know your friends got him? No. Also. Well, you know, I wouldn't want to take the mystery out of my life. And so what I did, though, is I was laying in the bed, okay?

52:58 And I was like, totally good day, happy bro, pleasing myself. And I think I like, popped up in TikTok or something. Right? And I was like, oh yeah, we had three hours later, ocean sunlight comes, starts coming up and I'm like, and you don't know you? What if I say, what did you watch? You can't tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you can, that's all.

53:17 Yeah. You can tell me two things. That those biggest boys was the same. Oh, yeah. That. Was that the hey, pop shit? No. That's good. So my whole next day obviously was fucked, like, yeah. You didn't sleep with the dad, right? And you know, my brain was then all active all night blue sky, blue light, my face, etc. and so forth.

53:35 And now feels it. Your friends got something for that and so on. And so my, basically from that point forward, I was like, put my own time on it. No way, no way. I'm not. I can't do this again. Godly mindset. Yeah. Didn't. So that was like for me that was the moment right where it was just like this something I can't that can't happen.

53:57 Yeah. This is a fucking problem. It's a problem. This is an issue. Yeah. And then you stop and think of the grand scheme of things. How many people fucking. Don't make that realization and just continue. What impact is that on society? And I think that. Oh, yeah, I think I think especially with our youth, I think this is going to later on in history, going to be seen as a major moral failing of our time of like, not putting the right kind of understanding of these things.

54:20 Well, if you ever watch Futurama, right, that a thousand years in the future, they've repeatedly referred to our time as the stupid ages. Damn. Wow. So that's getting ready to spin back up later this month again. Oh my God, how many times I let it die? This last season they did was dog shit. What am I fix? What?

54:38 Beating. So the the whole thing about this, the meta portion of it is never revealed, so. Well, that's right, the I don't mean meta life. It like like Facebook meta. I mean like the the the metacognition information is never exposed. They so like for example. Yes, the secret sauce, the secret sauce is insane submerged in spices. So even at a young age, if he if if he teach the children even at a young age, how these things work, much like the sexual education.

55:11 Yeah, they make their choices educated, right? Kids are not fucking stupid. Well, most hell yeah, Dennis don't know and so help them know, right? Yes, yes. Expose them by degrees to the machinations of the world before the. Help them understand what they're grounded in and what they have to operate within. What kind of shit are you going to face on the right?

55:32 Why do you think there's a push by a lot of folks to fuck up public education? You know, because then you generate more fucking docile, ignorant workers. Damn right. They want the good little factory worker. They want the one who's not resisting and thinking. They want the one who's compliant and just flows through and does what they wish.

55:50 Give me a worker. Yes. So I think George Carlin said something or keep him coming back to those jobs. Carlin's fucking days there written in peace stores. Carlin. Yes, yes, I refer to him several times. We also have a tendency for some reason. Well, not for some reason. I think it's germane, but like, talked about Star Trek.

56:08 I used to do a guy named Jimmy. Jimmy, I said this little show name is relevant to his family, and he sold some interesting products. Sorry, dad. Jokes are going to be in there, right? So anyway, we got to keep in the Star Trek. Is this, like, was made by Gene Roddenberry, which is the foundation is that is predicated on the principles of humanism.

56:32 Right. And so it's this idea of like humanism taking to its full extent, what might the future look like for a positive way? Diversity and progressivism and all like that. That was the first interracial kiss on television was Star Trek. There we go. Well, if you've ever seen, you know, the negative outlook, look, Clark, and it seems like, well, you know, look out my window to and you.

56:52 So we see a live action version of that every day right now in Portugal, the pendulum has swung that direction. And, you know, we've really got to kind of wrath that I mean, you know, my judge was too on point and it was it was prophetic and predictive for all the body. Is, is that the one that they introduced the cracks.

57:15 It's great. Yes. Okay. So Sue actually like well it's like brought in. It represents that light to her. Like Sue hates Crocs because of that movie. Put that influence on her. Yeah. No, I have got a fucking Walmart brand a balance. I just piss around the house and just gives the chief that. He's like, well, they are if I step in fucking cat piss.

57:39 It doesn't. It's not a big deal to just rinse them off. You know? My feet are fucking dirty or somebody whatever. You know, it's. Yeah, just off to piss around and that's it. They're they're practical and they cost, like $8. So that's the only reason, Sewer Nolan went to China. Not the summer, but the last summer. And, when they were there, there was this fashion trend where a lot of a lot of the girls were wearing platforms.

58:00 Crops. Yeah. And then they get these little pins that you can put inside the holes of your crops. And I go different. Yeah, yeah. So it's. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And there's a name for this I wouldn't done I dug it, but it's like the pop sockets. Not a thing I ever got into. So, this, this whole thing with the, the, the, the crocs and, but the crux of what I was getting at the trucks.

58:27 Trucks, the crux of what I was getting at is still it was that's a good, you know, with this, kind of idea of parental rituals and the kids not knowing really what they're, what they're getting into cocks. So as an adult, I understand why the why micro dose short run videos have a dopamine effect. Like, you know, I've read about it, I understand I understand that there's an algorithm behind it that learns my my interests.

58:50 And it's the addiction, right? I have not said the same type of video you watch. Yeah. And I understand that the algorithm is like, literally at the end of the day, designed to, to, get me as much engaged and keep my engagement, my attention to my engagement as much as possible. So I'm being gamed. Well, right. But I'm aware of this.

59:09 I'm aware of the meta and where I if it's effective, it's affected. Yeah, indeed. Even if you for 12 that even if you're aware of it on some level, if you're still beholden to it, it's still your addiction. You know, the attic knows what they're addicted to and knows its master well. Well, in Summer guards. That makes it worse, though, because a lot of folks oh, you think you understand it.

59:29 So in some regards you think you might have more control than you do. You might think you're above it. Well, this is fine. I know what's going on here. You're not going to fool me. I know all about it, right? Yeah, but it still works. Exactly. I'm not immersed because you don't take it. I'm not a meth addict.

59:41 Right. Sorry. I'm sorry, I don't smell. Prepare for the door. I mean, I'm going to be honest about it the most. An eligible guy I've ever known in my life about drugs fucking killed himself with overdosing on pills. Fuck. You know, I never made any body sense. He knew more about drugs. I mean, this guy was a fucking cyclopedia on the shit.

59:58 Wow. You know, that's just how things work for. For my experience with this kind of domain, a majority of people I see get into it really don't really know what they're getting into until, like, they're really into it and then they learn it. You know, a lot of times live and learn and hopefully they come out of it.

1:00:13 Right. But a lot of that will then, you know, galvanize them hopefully to prevent it in future because they've had the really negative assessment. But anyway for the kids is what I'm getting at is that they don't really have a full control and handle over the meta and how all these little influences that are playing into gaming them.

1:00:28 Right. But if you, you know, once they hit a certain age, you know, if you really talk to them and explain it about them, you'll actually notice that they choose to engage in a selfless. Right. So there's definitely a there's definitely, correlation like correlation between education and better choices. Yeah. Is bullshit. Doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah. You you need more rich and varied information about the experience you're about to enter or that you might encounter.

1:00:56 That is the answer. Education over the context of it. You know, whether that be history, which we're shrinking and removing or whether that be, you know, societal norms and norms of the time. I mean, you, you need in your you do your kids a disservice if you don't give them the whole picture, even if you don't want them to experience it.

1:01:22 You have to say, this is what it is, and this is what I know about it. Right? And it's still, I think it is still a good idea to take efforts to limit exposure, limit access to those things. But I think it's a fool's errand to tell yourself that that is the solution. Right, right, right. So we we shouldn't just say, oh, it's not going to work, so we'll fucking just don't bother.

1:01:40 It's like computer science. It's like computers to use them. It's defense in depth. Right? We're giving these kids an array of tools and an array of layers to work through the an approach to new information and new experience. Right, right. So my approach to this and I might not be the right approach, but this is what I think is the right answer okay.

1:01:59 Is that the majority of kids that I, that I know about right now in society, and I think the data will will show this is true, also have a default state to where they have access to always on internet all the time and everything that come right. That's the way to come by. That's the typical default state for most kids growing up now in America and mostly the world.

1:02:16 But I was mentioned. Really? Yes. And so next thing that I do with my kids once are old enough to understand is I tell them, they explain to them the best of my ability in a way that I think they can understand the mechanics of how this stuff works and why it's it's harmful to to engage too much in this stuff, because what it does to the brain, it's not a valid source of an actual problem if a natural.

1:02:38 Right. And then I shall look at some of your friends and they use them as a model, what they're going through right now, like they're really struggling because they build this stuff. Right. And so then I tell them explicitly, what we've done in this family is we've changed the default state. The default state is that you don't have always on internet, right?

1:02:53 It's firewall off. The default state is their screen time limitations on the on the TV and on the computers. Right. And it took a long took an incredible effort to put all that stuff in place across my entire infrastructure of devices cell phones, computers, tablets. And then the between that is really getting across the positive side of the asset of that and the difference compared to everyone else.

1:03:15 And not just that being an asshole he had been mean about. And all my friends get to know direct way that you'd have to slip approaches, without just being like cold turkey immediately. It's something you have to work well, he is much like what Sean was saying is you can't, like, make them completely asymmetric to the rest of the people in the world.

1:03:35 They have to have some exposure. So they do. They have some limited time on this stuff and you know, and then we talk about it too. I tried to do the thing where you say, like, what did you see on those videos? You know. Yeah, kind of asked the like, you know, what did that make you think? So make, you know, think about what they're information they're experiencing now.

1:03:50 It's not perfect, but I make mistakes all the time to fill up the stairs. But yeah, but I've tried, but I've tried to come up with a new default and explain to them. Right. Like the default case is this in society for for you, this family has a different default. Yeah. Right. And this is not to like, protect you and pretend that we're insulated from the world.

1:04:09 That the world is evil like that. It's just to just to put reasonable state of a base state to make a thing. If you want somebody to do something, make it easy. Yes. Make it the default. Make it reduce friction.