The Magical Parenting Perspective

0:00 So, anyway, the, the my wife and I run a nonprofit called USA White School, and we have this thing we were talking about earlier, technology, philanthropy, which is the underpinning of all of our programs. And one of the programs which I'm doing here with positive be better. Great. So positive and Pedestrian is a production of or program of this not subsidiary.

0:19 My balls in corporate. There you go. Oh my balls. And, So yeah. So we're talking about, this YouTube ban in Australia, right? And so apparently from what I recently heard is that there's this idea that they don't want children under 16, 18, 16 about this. They don't want to show their under 16 getting on YouTube.

0:41 Now, the provocation behind that, like, what is the reason why they don't want kids? Please expand upon it is. Oh, go. From the very small amount that I've read, it comes down to the ease of access of, just any sort of via that, like a fine on this and stuff that is not rolling content that they should be watching stuff, more jokes and things, whether it be injury or otherwise.

1:07 I believe they looked into it and it was over 33% of kids, has admitted to being able to find stuff like that on the show, which is why they've commonly admitted to it. Right. 33% admitted 65% of seen it. Yeah, right. Which comes down to then them trying to push this ban so that they can keep children from accessing these topics.

1:29 It's really the main thing they're so we talked about how, of course, how ridiculously easy it would be for any child of ten years or older can easily figure out how to make a fake, you know, email account because it doesn't require to show your ID or anything like that. You just say, oh, I'm 21. But it's like the drip for me in efforts advanced by and requires worry and how to get actually the log in and like verify your ID for what all these major porn sites and big old stuff if you do.

1:59 Yeah. Yes, exactly. So now my joint Delco are just not doing it though. That's true. That's true. Are a couple of big is big ones are. But I think the bulk of my 30 to say due to my own personal porn addiction ex answer doesn't. Yeah, I mean tour's a bit slow, but it was fucking great. There we go, there we go, there was.

2:18 It forces you to plan ahead a little bit and get your buffering going again on a VPN. Yeah. And I mean, hey, let's be real. If that's if that's your fix, you can afford to plan ahead. You know, we've told you loads you're going for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like going for, you know, am I going for Mr. Hands and Horse?

2:38 So I am, Yeah. Gosh, I hate them. I really like, loathing how much damn editing I left to do. No, no, we don't edit this. We never edit this. We never. And so anyway, we don't edit this. As a parent of three children, I am adamant about filtering from, you know, at least from my router down.

2:58 And, I'll tell you what. This is a massive enterprise to, like, try to get it to where, you know, you have kids, like, you know, it's even even like, you know, from a 1 to 10 tech savviness, right? If you have kids, even at a five tech savvy level, right, they're going to circumvent. They can circumvent.

3:13 So so he's just saying the layers of, defense in depth. You have to have I mean, there's merely just go on YouTube video how to do it. It's not mine. So so you had to fucking sign in YouTube anyway, only to watch stuff. Mark. Adult. Sure. Well, even something was proxied back in the day throughout the school, you'd still find ways around it.

3:30 Those certain sites you could go to that to get completely around it. You can still go through these separate URLs and one and end up being able to watch any video you want it. One kid would figure it out and just tell all the other kids, and it comes down to word of mouth. And it used to be a lot harder to have a tool.

3:45 You friends exactly what you had to see them now like that just didn't exist. Internet, phones and social media, it's spread. So yeah, I mean, you know, whenever it came to messing with the computer labs back in the day, it's like, oh, well, I'm running QBasic games or IP, you know, where I don't ask kids. Yeah, we're going to get it.

4:05 Going to math games going in everyone's windows here. Stupid stuff like that existed. Mozilla. Right Brian. Oh fresh guys in full. Yeah, exactly. These guys are nasty. Actually, there are some there are interesting archives. Like fucking half a million of them and shit. Is this the software to run is what's really gone. And there's still open source flash clones.

4:24 That'll run a lot of it. Yeah, yeah, but they're a pain in the dick because I know that no one's going to do it anymore. It's not like it once wasn't. Yeah. Kind of. It's good that we got rid of flash, but there's definitely some loss there. But anyway, so I can't say to the kids actually they have some value to learn how to circumvent things like is there a lesson there, maybe some value to like I think so I'm, I with, but with how easy it is to get around it from the ones who figure it out.

4:48 Yeah, not the ones you just get told by the ones you figured out right off the buffer so that the priest class of, of mischievous children who actually use the technology, you know, learn and and I mean, that's how I got my start with computers. Like my senior year of high school, I had moved around so much, I moved to the state I moved to for my senior year.

5:12 I had all the credits I needed, and so only thing I had two classes I had to take, but I had all these. So here I was. I had to get to graduate, but 60 volunteer hours at and in Maryland you had to do that in high school. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So that's that was a graduation requirement.

5:29 Maryland. Wow. So I had to get 60 volunteer hours in a year. So I didn't have any classes other than those two. So I spent the rest of the time volunteering at the library, volunteering at the in computer labs, things like that. And, I mean, I would be I would break the computer labs. I would get in there and fix things.

5:46 I would tweak, I would, you know, damn, I just cut class and smoked weed. Oh, I did that too. I mean, I would, I would get a steal a pair of passes from the teacher and one wrong piece and smugly walked out. I would just fucking walk out. I got a class D. I wasn't a biologist. Well, I wasn't ballsy enough to just walk out.

6:06 I had to legally indemnify them. So I just fucking said I'm done. Today sucks. I'm out and just walk up. Let's fucking do. You know, as soon as we started that kind of bimbo, there's educational value in finding ways to circumvent the system, right? Like so. Yeah, well, I guess even knowing that, that's something to think about, right?

6:23 It makes kids think they know there is a way around this. I don't have to put up with this shit. So they had this big initiative back in the day. I don't know if you heard this is a laptop for every child program. Okay. So you show up. You see the AC. Yeah. He's got the one with fourth on it and everything it does in budget.

6:39 Yeah. No kidding. Yeah I have it with the little antennas. It's fucking kind of impressive. Honestly. The display is super cool. I never seen any lighting before in science, so they had us a program where you, like, buy one, get one for a while. Right? So if they're asked what this one is, cool. Bow. And, so, you know, people wonder what ever happened to them.

6:56 Well, Nicholas Negroponte sparks it up there. Yeah, MIT lab really screwed it up because they tried to partner with Microsoft and came out with a device that couldn't handle windows. And yeah, it's a pig. Even for the time. It's dog slow. Yep. It's. So, anyway, that's my impression of it, that MIT screwed it up trying to partner with Microsoft.

7:16 But you go ahead. So there are some early efficacy studies on like how effective the program was and it was actually ineffective. Yes. Right. So like because the kids were figured out how to hack it and play games on it, rather than using it as a learning resource. And so this is like germane, like how do we not see that coming is what I'm trying to say is a figure that's like kills break curricula are overly optimistic.

7:35 Sometimes I love some optimism, but, well, I kind of like let's just because it doesn't work the exactly the way you want it to do doesn't mean it's not having an impact. You're just measuring the wrong shit. It's still having an impact. Yeah, but you know, kids sit there, play games all day if they have the opportunity versus doing reading, reading the real you want to do boring shit or fun shit.

7:54 I mean, come on, you give them a machine. Well, you have the choice. Which one are you going to pick? No. We did. You, like, put High Halo on the old bloody school computers until they've found how to keep it off of the computer. But then we found out that you just run out of a thumb drive. You weren't allowed to it on the computer.

8:08 It was blocked completely. So you were on an external device? On an open version of it. So, you know, I had some places still USB ports were fucking glue and shit. I'm. Yeah. You are basically filling it or there's ways to in the windows registry, you can put filters in for USB device IDs and you can filter, you can create a white list and filter everything else.

8:29 And so you can have certain USB sticks that will be valid use and others that won't. Wells Fargo did that. But you could also do it way back in the day with windows 98, even when there's nothing. UDC and I used to add those registry keys, to the school, that I dicked around at, and, Ccbc even had it where you can only plug in certain USB devices.

8:57 I figured out the USB IDs for you, CBK, looking at the register, whole community college like trades for. Yeah, yeah. And bought the right USB stick and just fucked around to my heart's content. I would crack that place open. It was great. I don't know anything about windows, except for what's under the hood and how to break it.

9:17 Well, I mean, that's bulk of it, isn't it? Yeah, true. But I don't know anything about it except for exactly how it works. And then this. But this guy, this guy showed me how to fix windows using Linux and how to make windows better using Linux, you know, and how to deploy windows using Linux. I'm going to fucking a good tool that does things I don't know why not.

9:38 Right? Open source and other people fucking hack on everything anyway. So if you're, pretty savvy, I'd like to think that I am. Yeah, I've been in the industry now for 30 years plus, and it's embarrassing to say. But then, therefore, I've met plumbers who've done for 50 years and silly. Where to fuck. No, no. So it's very possible that, so a lot of just.

9:56 Steve, I'm not trying to say that's not the case, but I'm trying to say along that line, I was probably tricked of something. Oh, of course, because in this body sculpture, those flowers, I know, pick up a few wrenches and so that, you know, the things that I picked up along the line really still don't serve me in really fully locking down my system for my kids.

10:15 So, like, that's crazy reality to find yourself in as a parent, right? Like knowing it, at least, you know, thinking, you know, and, you know, trying to put a technology layer in place that really, truly protects your kids and puts right the right hyper controls and throttles and those kind of stuff on their electronics with the kids that are don't have much experience at all, able to circumvent and able to do things.

10:39 But we're not playing cat and mouse games around here. We talk it, we talk about it. Right. But, so we're like a partnership together. And the kids agree that they need some filtration. They actually have a thing that came out. Or they just say that because they know that's what you want to hear. Yeah. They're not stupid.

10:54 No, that's that's always mean. Are they going to stand and argue with you that. Oh yeah. You're right. Which one's going to serve them better. They're right. Knowing you know there's layers. And I've laid to things that I'm mostly on top of that too. And there's all kinds of things like, you know, I parents always play games with the kids good and bad.

11:09 Yeah, very. But you play, games with the kids sometimes about letting them get away with things, you know, that they're that that they're we are bullshitting you. Do you just let them get away with it? We just read between the lines. But your dad always had it was, don't let me catch you doing something right. It was a don't do something.

11:25 It was always don't get caught doing something dumb. And then it's the same with all when it comes to filtering stuff. Kids is like, how much do you filter? But oh, one never, never would have grown up the way that it did. Not having access to the stuff and the unfiltered access that and as well, where those comes in, where do you start drawing the line of what you shouldn't?

11:48 You know what's beyond the pale, because you have to let your kids participate in society to some degree. They have to have an anchor to pop culture and they have to know these things so they can participate. It's social currents. But when I start coddling too much. Yes. I don't know really shit about raising kids. And the bulk of this wasn't really around when I was that age, but my own teenager is that it's comparable to fucking abstinence education.

12:14 Do you just tell the kids, no, don't do it. No, don't do it. No, don't do it. Well, yeah. Then they fucking you get these huge outbreaks of STDs and child pregnancy like it completely. Does it work? The best, most effective way to do it is to be on their side and then teach him. Teach them exactly what it is.

12:28 Teach him, plain and simple, exactly what everything is, how it works, what matters, what what causes problems. And these are the actual real problems. And show them, you know, and bring about and educate them on the realities of instead of just trying to fucking hide it from them because, oh, you shouldn't, you shouldn't. It's not good for you.

12:45 But then, well, what happens if somebody tells you you can't have something? Well, sudden you want it? Yes. But if you're showing everything and just to explain plainly what it all is, then you kind of, you know, it's like kids who parents let them have, like, you know, they're fucking 16 and they get to have beer or they're done, then it takes yeah, it's not a big deal anymore.

13:03 But as the other kids who are entering live to see it, then somebody they can miles for party, they'll go get shitfaced and get fucking other boys. Yeah. So you expose by degrees and you take the stigma, educate them. Yes. Educate and take the stigma out of it. Take the cool factor of it. And you know, that's that's why countries so decriminalized and opened up drug use like Australia has done that, right?

13:26 No. To some degree. No, no, not at all I don't know. Oh what it ain't. Oh I thought they had some, higher degree of openness than we have. No, there are certain things medicinally, and you have to have proper losses from these guys. So as needle programs and stuff like that or. No, no, not really.

13:46 It's there's a lot of health law in some places to go to get help and support for things. All right. When they've already been taken to a far better. There's yeah, pretty bizarre bound openings. Even Wade's got a job and like it's illegal. Pretty much cross-border unless it starts and you are getting it through various specified venues and it's for medical.

14:08 Yeah. So that's still not even most place even. That's why that's all in some places here they even have it. And so that's progressive compared to us. Yeah that really is it really. Yeah. Because we we started out as a puritanical haven for, people who felt they were religiously persecuted. There's still dry counties in North Carolina where they're not allowed to sell alcohol and to that's not.

14:29 Yeah. You think it's. No really. And to circle back to Noah's point about teaching kids North Carolina. Charlotte, a progressive city right is 30 it in as far as the number of cases in the nation of cities. I read that shit. Is that only the absolute strain doesn't work. Yeah. And so it's it's all of these things hard bands don't work.

14:52 You guys are at least taking a softer approach to it than it, you know, unilaterally it we are. So I think, you know, an absence program is kind of ridiculous if that's like your, you know, single tool to try to deal with it because like you just said, everything he says at. But you know, if you have a fully comprehensive sex education program and then you say, hey, the only really waded fully avoid, you know, getting, disease or pregnant is by abstinence, then that's becomes a, you know, something to discussion, like you said, education.

15:20 But so from my approach from my kids and it might be wrong and might be right, I don't know. Hopefully it's right is that I talk. Oh, that's a different too. So they probably did that. You know, I told them that like, people that were raised for now because we now have like the the numbers are coming in.

15:35 Right. There's numbers coming in now on like high schoolers that have had always on the internet their whole life. So the default state for an American child is that little to no filtering on their concept. Sure. If that's the default state. And so what you literally have is a kids that have access to for the full depth and breadth of the internet and all the myths and disinformation that come across that.

15:55 Right. And then if the parents are reluctant to talk about certain things, they're good. That's their primary source of information. Sure. So the kids then are being we have a whole generation now raised on a healthy diet or an unhealthy diet of myths and disinformation. Okay, this is the primary source of a lot of their understanding of the world.

16:11 And so that my approach with my kids is to say that, like, these tools are in place to limit that content to begin with. And the same limits are on me. Like, my computer doesn't have access to this stuff either, because I don't need this stuff, right? Like it's not necessary. And, if you do circumvent and see some stuff on there, there's there is harm that will come from it's too much exposure to this stuff.

16:31 It'll change your point of view about how certain things are in the world. Unrealistically. Sure. Right. Just like being too saturated in anything, any ideology, it comes in the same thing. Rule. Well, look, you TikTok and you YouTube shorts, just anyone can say all that. So saying the, you idiot or village idiot. Oh, it was them in themselves.

16:54 The whole village could ignore them. They can separate the fact that of this dumb ass, it wasn't going to affect any type. Is this guy and not now. It was socially kind of put in their own bubble. Now these social media where anyone can post anything, anyone else who in the nicest term is another village idiot who doesn't quite know or is just ignorant of fans, can immediately take up a stand or point of view that is completely wrong and has no basis in any sort of scientific background or fact.

17:22 And it's just completely opinion. Asian. Or they've heard it from somewhere else. It's impossible. Can you end up with the Chinese whispers further and further, and it just becomes this big blown out thing where all these people leave something, and then the kids have access to that and they're not dumb, but then they know they're not ignored. Those ones I do.

17:41 I have enough just general world knowledge to be able to make their own actual proper point of view. It's just they're going to take what is given to them and they gon go with it. Yeah, kid kids are stupid. They're just ignoring. Yes, yes, that's it. And but the but to this whole silly stupid. Yeah right. So more some people will start but it's the amplification of the village idiot and the proliferation of it because these memetic ideas, these, these worldviews spread and they're like an infectious disease.

18:16 So the internet is this platform that proliferates these crazy, insane ideologies. Yeah. And, you know, it gives them a place to exist and it gives them equal footing and credence. Whereas the village idiot was walled off. Now the village idiot has his own key. Yeah. And the people like affirmations. You know where we ought to be told the shit they already like, and so they'll fucking go with it.

18:40 They ignore things. Do not damn confirmation bias, such as the one we now have a generation of children that have been raised on, always on internet, and a lot of them when when you ask them their sentiments towards it, they say they wish they didn't have that. They actually say, there's this, I'll put the study in our extra notes for this.

18:57 Right. But there's did they actually say in like basically exit interviews as they're leaving high school? They say, I wish I didn't have it all that exposure to the pornography and to the the Pornhub and all this crap like it actually, I wish I didn't have it one of the biggest ones is just general social media with the ease of access, especially the son bullet and those sorts, these became such a big problem where you could hide behind something you didn't have to be the big physical boy anymore.

19:23 You are making weird cowboys. You can say whatever you wanted as whoever you wanted to to be railways, you know, and you could do it while people are on, whether at the weakest during the night, during the morning, there was just no escape from it, but completely disconnected. Had to be how much access they need. We ever talk to friends and those things?

19:46 Now all the social status with it meant that they can't then just disconnect so that it's just a consistent cycle. So there's another the key that disconnection you just brought up in something for me very recently is I did this thing, this isolation chamber like float tank thing. Oh yeah. It's double tunnel view. Yeah. I never did it before, but I would love it.

20:04 So I tried it out. Right. And, so you get some revelations when you're in there because it's, your brain is in a different mode because your mother is, is an unusual and it's in the usual environments that your brain starts doing unusual things, but by doing so where you depravation. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know what I where my mind kept going to what I kept thinking about as well for this moment that I'm in this isolation, my cell phone's obviously not going off because, yeah, it's.

20:29 You would know if it wasn't. I wouldn't know if it was rain and. No, no. So it's like soundproof light proof. It's completely black. No sound whatsoever. And you're floating in this, like, really dense, absent salt, really dense liquid. So you like, float high in the water? Yeah, but the air temperature and the water temperature are the same, and it's body temperature.

20:47 So it's like you can't have a tactile. Like you can't even tell what part of your body is in the water. What parts in the air. Yeah. There's no stimulation one. So yeah, it's so for all intents and purposes you're just like floating a brain in jar. Yeah, yeah, yeah a brain and you just existence and that's pretty much it, you know.

21:04 So yeah, my wanders in creates and, you know, imagines stimuli I think I think it's therefore I am it. Oh fan. So, so for me is like, you know like it's like you already said, I'm a parent of three and you know, father and I'm gaze and I drive a work and community mom and all this kind of stuff and like, in that moment that that hour in this little chamber made me realize it's like that it was terror.

21:28 All of my, almost all of my stimulus and all of my, like, prompts and all the things that, like, get me to act are always external. They're always like, for somebody else or for some of the thing. And I'm like, never, ever do anything whatsoever for like just me for the sake of doing in me. And I'm fine with that.

21:46 It's my life. It's the life I've chosen. But it's like I never. It gave me that awareness of that reality. Right? Because like, for that moment, I was in there. I couldn't answer an email. I couldn't, you know, like I couldn't hear, but oh, the, you know, your son's sick at school, my friend will say at school, someone else gonna have to deal with it for this hour.

22:01 You weren't a reactive endpoint. Yeah, you were, and you were an end unto yourself. And you existed as this single point of light, and you got to explore what that sounds to me like as you struggle with delegation. Maybe. Maybe. But, what it what it revealed to me was that, like, not only is that the truth, but I kind of like that truth.

22:22 Like, I'm happy about that. Like it was. It's. I'm not I'm not like, I'm not, down on the idea. It's like, what the fuck? Awesome, right? I'm glad that I get to, like, spend my life in service of other people, my kids and my family and my community. You know, what the hell am I in my useful for?

22:40 You know what I mean? So it's like, does a person have to be useful? No, no, no, not necessarily. But like, I've never like, had a massage before or like on a, like a spa day. This is the first thing in this domain I've ever done because it's like I never would even think to do those things like, you know, oh, let me go get a massage.

22:56 I'm feeling stressed right now. Like, you know, that's never even crossed my mind my whole entire life. So like this moment of like just being like, well, this is just for me at this moment. And it's it's to a degree, uncomfortable. But, made me reveal that I'm actually, like, happy with my life. And that was a great thing.

23:12 That was a great revelation to be like, you know, I can't make my life the way it is in, you know, it's like I talk rosten yeah, it's work in me. I really recommend the experience because it's like, it's definitely going to have you think of something you wouldn't have thought of otherwise. So it's really light. This whole squad if you're allergic to absinthe.

23:28 So yeah, probably not the right answer, Yeah. But it'd be interesting to see what what it looks like when I open the taints. The big old sound chamber where the come out is a bubble. Yeah, it'd be a life affirming, you know, chic experience. Where to be great was, a couple minutes. Yeah. Life affirming, a couple of minutes.

23:48 Where you going to? I would like to shop. The biggest thing way to find out they would taking more buoyant. I am so yeah. You might swallow the summit. Yes. Yeah. And I would just look at you a fucking better draw the shoe. Your our Sheila. I want to see the raw footage of when they first open the tape.

24:06 Please. With all that, I will still bring a capsule of free crushed, Benadryl and just take a bone every few minutes. I don't think it's worth it. You will have some thoughts, so I'll give the experience like an eight the time. It would have been better if they had, like, a really cold shower that you could have taken afterwards.

24:27 I would then the brain go or the room frozen things that you can go see the the things some all the time and the stress would float again. So I was like two by four times. It was too high. So it was like uncomfortably like hot after after experience. And then the, the other thing that would have made it like up, I think ten a squid.

24:47 So, you know, the, the only other thing that we made it a ten out of ten was like, knowing knowing all the expectations before and after, like, so, you know, you go into a blind, you know, I don't know, I feel like that would trying to fuck a bit though maybe. No, I would choose to not have that.

25:01 But. Yeah, but ignorance is bliss, you know, you want to have a bit of surprise. You want to come out, learn something, right? If you do something new but you already know everything about it, I feel like it ruins a bit of magic. True. So for me, I'm thinking more along the lines of bring deep, bring your own deodorant.

25:14 Okay, I'm I've got you there, but I'm going to. Oh, I suppose it's warm in there, isn't it? Yeah. I guess I'm going to bring up an epiphany I had the other day from all of us talking about everything. You know, it's really Chris. You're always seeking certainty, and I feel like certainty. And we all kind of are.

25:35 We're all so, you know. But certainty is the death of mystery. Certainty is the death of. It's the you know, people always say, what's the opposite of faith? I really feel like it's certainty. And faith is hoping for more, hoping for mystery for extra. So, you know, if you're always chasing to know exactly what's happening, you kill that kind of mystery longer so you don't let the magic into your life.

26:03 It's very true. So there's no reason to take part of your VCR to know how the VCR works. Know someone else is doing it. It's. Well, it's not citing that. Also, if it's worthy, you lose some of the magic. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And not in my life, I don't know. I've, I've since I was a child, I've always been just compelled to find how things work and learn about things and see all the bits and pieces and really, really like properties where no shit words and I, I I've found over the years, I am super jaded about a lot of things that other people are also way down to go.

26:30 I love this, I learn about and I take one look at it and in my head I see all the fucking pieces and how it goes together. And I know what the issues are. You know what failings are with this and what compromises any of that. And it's just like it's just a pile of facts now where everyone else is, oh, this is so great.

26:45 That's great, I love this, I love that I'm just like, oh, I know I can tell you all about it. So it's a bit shit to me. Yeah, but I can look at the V-Series now. Still designer. You can think of the VCR as this magic thing you put the tape in, it's connected to the TV, and somehow you put this, like, everything.

26:58 Well, I say this is great, but then you have this. I think this is true. I argue the opposite is true, because once you understand the mechanics and all the moving parts and half it and how it does what it does, it adds no, not that it takes the mystery away from it. It you now can appreciate so much more all of the things that it can do.

27:14 And I have 100% with you. Right, right. But the emotion is gone. That's the thing is, if anything, I appreciate how fucking smart the the crazy bastard joy that came up with it. And I appreciate all the effort and tuning and what goes into making it reliable to the point where consumed by it. But the end of the day, it's a complex tool that does something that I want it to be done.

27:33 But but there's no connection anymore. But there is connection now. Well, yeah, it has to plug in to your TV. Well, man. Yeah, but now that you understand it, you probably also see avenues for improvement. You probably also see ways that you can repurpose it or use it, or there ways, you know, you can use you see it now as a component and in a system and yeah, and as that is very much a positive thing, it says that in my case, that, you know, going back to the whole lose the magic is uses, the emotional connection goes away.

28:03 The more I learn about things I use. Okay. Not so. So it's an appliance okay. It's okay. It's just one more fucking thing. Oh, yeah. You don't know I. Yeah. A screwdriver of my box, you know. So nothing magical about that. There's no connection was to say, for instance, I did like you're naive to all these things and you get.

28:17 You want a VCR because you have some video tapes that you want to buy or whatever, right. And so you take the same, you go to the store and you buy this appliance. You don't know anything about it. Sure. Right. You take it in, follow the instructions, you plug it in, plug in the TV, put the thing, then press play.

28:29 Right, right. Okay. And you're like, okay, this is awesome. I can now watch, you know, the Transformers. Yeah, whatever. That's all right. And so, you know, all that's cool, but then you get out your little screwdriver and you start tinkering in there, and you take the time and you learn the ins and outs of that whole damn thing.

28:43 And only do you understand how it works. You understand? Like, you go really deep, okay? Like you figure out they're not in the Physics Institute of Physics. You know what? Chip was made where? Right. And what you start to realize is just through the simple thing of a VCR. Like the whole fucking world was involved. There's chips here made in Taiwan.

29:00 This is made over here. They put this assembly together in Japan, right. And all this came together, and then the actual like, body of the thing that's stamped metal that is in China. I was going to say China. China is the world of engineer. And all this stuff came together. And all this had to come from schematics that some engineer figured out.

29:17 And like all this. Right. And so decades of iteration on the originals. Yeah. And so you're talking about mystery and wonder. You now have access to this whole new layer of all this human activity that went into just producing this, you know, to before it was just an appliance, right? Yeah. Well, now I find then that's but that's the way that I stay connected to.

29:36 The more I learned about things, I found that I always like the the history of technology, the way things came about. I always find myself like like, like you said, VCR out. I'll take that and I'll go back in time and study what came before and how it can be a book. Go back to the point where this thing actually first came.

29:53 You want to understand the Earth story? Big fucking two inch tape machine. I think this fucking vid that they first used in like the late 60s and early 70s just to replace shit so you could watch something again. And so understanding historical and technological content. Yeah, I like that. I love it in history. You got to say, Martin Moore came down to just one of the things that I've always wanted to look into is that of specifically how myself off of was just learning how the aurora exists and all that for us as we come to actually make one of the main pieces.

30:23 I would love to go and see it, and that's one of the next be big trips that sort of me and no here I travel playlist to go up to Alaska to go and see them at once. And as much as I would love to know the scientific reasons of how it comes, how it works. Yeah, if you watch what it exists, it would certainly kill the magic a little bit.

30:44 It is still be wonderful to see the beta beautiful thing to go on a sort of actually experience. Yeah, but being able to see it and experience it as just and natural phenomena and not knowing how it works is certainly a lot more and has a lot more emotion behind it. That's like learning about it first and then going, and it's just I see that.

31:06 But I'd say people love me like, oh, this is happening again. Ask me like, I know was agree with Chris that it doesn't take that magic from me. I can stand back objectively, instances of the material and I can still see the awesomeness of it, I don't know, go ahead. It's nice to just think that it could be could be anything.

31:22 Sure, though, the wonder of mystery is certainly a lot more intriguing than knowing the exact reasonings behind it. And in saying it's when you first see it. Of course, at that moment you then be going, well, I know how this works, this happens and this happens and this happens. And while it was still in the sort of wonder of the world, it certainly does take just a bit of that wonder and sort of the magic and the excitement behind not knowing.

31:47 Sure, and sometimes not knowing can be just a little bit more enthralling than knowing her works. So from my viewpoint of history is what people two things happen with is not knowing factor, right? Is that two two things definitely happen. One is people just make up stories, toss in right mess across the margins, right? That's what you do.

32:05 That's one thing that's happening. Or a small group of people figures it out how it works scientifically, but then lets everyone else stay in the superstitious realm and then use it as society's uses, zazen to gain dominance over the old people. Right? So like, for example, if you had access to how, when and how old lunar eclipses were because you had a star chart, you had a we had a mechanism that would allow you to predict, you're right.

32:26 You could bestow yourself. Yes. Or you know what I'm getting ever you could you could put yourself in front of a crowd of people and say, I spoke to God. And God told me that if you don't try to put all this, you're the ruler, that he's going to be walking the sun out and blah, blah, blah. And then the people are giving up, giving you everything they can, all their valuables.

32:42 And you're like, this isn't enough, this isn't enough. But it came down to they just told you that you crazy. And then and then it pulls out. Unless you're Rasputin or out of this Alister Crowley or any of these cult of personality that have managed to just you know, be the big swinging cultural dicks who use their knowledge to control this.

33:03 So that's where in this case, I'd like to experience once and then happen to learn about. So I would always defer to a strategy. I love the experience, something for the wonder of what it is originally. And then once you've experienced the wonder, learning how something works is in its own wonder and experience in itself. I think there's lots of cool ideas actually having a strategy like that.

33:26 So you start off saying like, I'm going to go in completely naive. I'm going to take it in for what it is, the spectacle right then, but then I'm going to like, really understand this. So are you going to revisit it and the A.D. visit it again? So okay, so you learn it and then do it again. I make love a survey last year I came over here, we pushed the the date to come over here a little bit earlier.

33:45 So we didn't miss out on going and seeing your world. But we also know certain things. But while I was over Australia, we had the solar flare and Australia actually got the, Australia spark. Well or. Yeah, I'll strand just happens in my home town and I complete we missed it because I was over. Yes, I was just it was one of those random freak moments where it just happened to me.

34:09 I picture any of the worlds where it ended up coming down the East Coast either. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember, yeah, yeah. Mr.. Over there. I called a couple other people and they saw I got a few pictures in, but I didn't see all day. No room. I ended up seeing a little bit and nothing crazy. I still want to see the Borealis and Australis to.

34:28 Well, Australia's got a lot more sort of orange pinks, whereas, Aurora borealis is a lot of your greens and pinks and all sorts. That's neat. So okay. So it's completely different. They are difficult. We can still get you grains and also things, you know, but that a lot less problem. The colors are actually shapes. I don't know if it comes down to just the, minerals in the air or any of those sorts things.

34:50 Having that surrounding really actually has a lot of your iron dust and those things for sure that affects it, which is why we get colors. Yes, there's I think it's not something I've looked into deliberately just to try to experience. Well, that's why we get some of those really nice pink views and small build areas because of the impurities in the air.

35:08 And during these meteor showers, depending on what the color of the meteor is, you know what, right? Yeah. You different tiles more. Yeah. You know, what elements it is. Yeah. So we try to use this like kind of metaphor before, but I'll say it's I think it's worth repeating because like, you guys are here to hear us.

35:23 It's totally germane to our conversation. Is that like, this idea of different phases in your life and then different, joys and experiences that you can have? Maybe. So, like this whole idea of going to see the aurora borealis, take it for what it is first time being on spire and at nature. The magnitude that the the spectacle is incredible, right?

35:40 Take it in for what it is and learn all about it, and then go back again and you're like, actually look for these little nuances. Oh, I see now how to make I can see the angles. I can see how that the magnetic field, I can actually see the, you know, do you experience it twice. Yeah. It's great.

35:52 Now with a new lens during your letter. Right. When. So there's this metaphor of like it was, you know, the canon. There's, there's this metaphor. The magician is that you go there when you're a kid and you see him cut the lady in half and you're like, oh my God, oh my God, let me cut her in half.

36:06 And he put it back together and you're like, pulling away. Like you're like, where's all the blood going on the squares if I did this to him. Yeah, right. But where does. But you're a kid and you're a kid and it's actually magic, right? And is magic the person real? The person did that thing. Yeah. Right. Right, right.

36:23 And then later on in life, and you learn more and get more experience, and you then learn that there's a lady folded up in the second half of the box, and you know that, you know, that's how the toes were wiggling as the magicians separated it out. And then you can go back to the magician show, and now you can look at it for like, how well did that magician perform that trick?

36:41 So, like, you can you can experience another level to the performance. You can you can judge it or experience it with another level that you didn't have access to before. Sure, you can see like the showmanship and you can look at the stage you see that will hold it there and the kids will go, can't you guys still go back and build the same magic?

36:58 I guess I'm really good at preserving my own dumb ass. Now you the oh, it's easy. Just get sloppy drunk first. Well, I think I think I'm already there most of the time, so I guess maybe that's the unique part of In My Brain hour. It only half works. So I was getting to that in the metaphor as opposed to or is there?

37:16 So then like, you know, you're kind of middle aged and you learn even more like you go to the next level, you read some books about magic and stagecraft and all those kind of things and how like different lenses and mirrors work and the lights and all this. Right? Right. Now you go to the performance again. You go to see a magician in the middle years.

37:31 Right. And, you should see all these things happening, all the coordination, all the lights, all this puppets reigns. As you get that new appreciation and a whole appreciation for the level of depth of production and all this production value that went into it and everything that went into that performance. And then you can look over at the kids and see their faces and re-experience them through the splendor, their splendor of seeing it through the first time, reminding yourself of the time that you just heard.

37:55 So now you're in your twilight years and you're able to sit back and taken in, in every way it simultaneously or in any way, focusing on any particular aspect. Yeah. And so that is the, the, the mystery to my mind, the ultimate thing of like the, the mystery of life, of not ruining it is understanding that there's all these different layers and how you can enjoy all of them at once, or just go and enjoy one aspect of it.

38:19 Watch the kids, watch the performances, get to pick. That's the beauty up you can choose your approach, you can choose the lens through what you view. And so the magic is never lost. In essence, it's guns preserved in enriched, multi-layered. I think that also shows the value of trying to maintain an open mind and a good attitude throughout your life.

38:39 That's why that's why we have this, you know, trope that this point of positivity pedestrian, right, is that we we say that like, you can choose at the end of the day, how you oriented to to this experience. You can look at it totally positive or if you want to, you can be a, you know, pessimistic apple.

38:57 And just do I use this as shit. You can see you fuck this up issue this whole thing. Yeah. Fuck this guy making money, fool. And kids, you know, this is bullshit. I know how this works. He can't throw me. Yeah, yeah, he's just beer, right? You just contain everybody, you know? And there's these pragmatic and those who then have to ruin it for others because it's not perfect for them anymore, right?

39:14 Yeah, yeah. And that's just it was it. Joy. Joy shared is doubles where it. No, I don't know. Well yeah it is there is no pain shared is halved whereas joy shared is doubled. First we were approached and entropy. Ooh. What does I suppose means something basically comes down to sharing pain means that it's diluted and it's lower, whereas sharing happiness can sort of expound, expand upon itself, give it sentence, exact quote, and we'll put that as a core, you know, from that.

39:47 That sounds really cool. So I have a really brief story about, a magician performance that I think you guys were really that ties less ties into what we're talking. I mean, some finances now is that, so piece, I mentioned I was in the military and we were on a base, getting ready to come home.

40:05 This is from Afghanistan. So we're on this, like, base, and it's pretty big, and it's safe. It's in a safe zone right at time. So, like, you can kind of let your guard down a little bit. And so they had some like R&R tech things. And one of the things they had was this magic show. Right. And it was hilarious.

40:19 So first of all, it was like, I mean, it wasn't like David Copperfield or something, you know? No, you know, dude, it is somebody they could get to go out there. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, hats off to him. He had completely volunteered to like, put himself in a danger zone to entertain troops. But it was a USO type show.

40:33 Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. And this guy was like the shortest magician you could ever imagine. Like, the the lighting was, was shit. The whole thing. Oh, there's some fun in that though. I like B movies. Same. So. So I'll have you read that in a second. Yeah. It was perfect. And so I don't know. What is that. So anyway this got this guy is like up here and he's doing this like stuff and he's got this like rubber band attached to something, right?

40:58 And you can see the rubber band stretch across the thing, go into his back or something. Right? And he lets go of this thing and like really quickly go behind his back. And, you know, he's posture like, oh yeah, he's posturing like, wow, where'd it go? And everyone just saw exactly how the trick was done and how lame it was.

41:13 Right. And so this beautiful, magical thing just happened somehow organically. Right. Is there some asshole in the crowd? Yes. That was awesome. How did you do that? You know, I was like, why don't you get everybody going? Yes you did. I love it right there. Makes me, you know, everyone in the room guy would do the dumbest thing.

41:32 Well, you know, let that the one is drooping, he squeeze in. It's like very headless body. It's like, Yeah. That's how awesome this dude level. This magician. Never. He did not have the emotional intelligence to understand what was happening. Like it totally. It was a reverse magic trick. But he thought he fooled everybody, so he was just riding high and happy, and he was beaming.

41:53 He was beaming. So this was the highlight of this man's life? I hundred percent, 100%, I hope so. That's honestly that's fucking great for everyone. It is. And why not do that? That's fine. We're out. Yeah. You know, and he's like, you know everything the guy did. You can totally see how he did it. Like it was no.

42:10 Yeah. It's like there was no obfuscation. There was no art to it. It was just open it. Yeah. It. Yes, yes, it was. Yeah. But that turned it into one of the most morale boosting things I've ever seen. And it was self and you know, that's that's the beauty in life right there because you're the he's had that sheer joy.

42:30 Totally like this man is about to read this quote. Oh yeah. Let's, let's let's get that in there now. Well the quotes by Spider Robinson, which is yeah, shared pain is lessened. Shared joy is increase as we refute entropy as obviously usual comes down to everything. All exists in a single state trying to keep the state of happiness being one of the biggest things.

42:51 So reducing the amount of pain that there is, whereas increasing the amount of joy that we can share in spreads business and like equating entropy and chaos with pain and negativity and saying joy is a way to combat that chaos, that ever dwindling state that we say things are reduced to. And that's cool. And that's like, that's fundamental nature of the universe kind of shit.

43:16 The entropy. Right? The universe on its own kind of wants everything to balance it, even out from both it. It takes effort and energy to keep things separated from just averaging into nothing in the universe. Right? Sure. It's why it breaks down all the stars. Fucking go supernova and explode and things crumble to nothing, and everything fucking decays like it's.

43:34 It's really special and unique for something to not be just blending into the background radiation, even just on the level of physics. Right. So then the take that into the way people act and the hey, this is fucking great. It is. I mean, it's it's a masterful extrapolation and, you know, I really admire that. I mean, I know for me, most of my spewing is are the idle vapors of a mining disease.

43:57 But I, like entropy, but fuck entropy. And, you know, that's what I think. That's what we're all trying to do, you know, get throw the big middle finger to entropy. Entropy and say, we exist. We're showing that out into the void. Yeah, yeah. The existence of entropy in a, you know, temple state. You know, if you have a fleeting time on this planet in your lifetime and you have things eroding around you, you can see within your lifetime, you can literally put energy in to, to, to overcome that, having a little residue of impact on the walls always kind of cool with people.

44:34 Try to push it out there. We always want to be remembered for something. I have our own sort of little name left in the history books. Yeah. Have our own domain, our own lifetime. Something we're rectums for. So I was actually chastised one time, like, by it, by a boss. And, this was I'm not going to name name because it's not appropriate, but I want to shame somebody.

44:53 But anyway. Gero. Yeah, sure. Jerry are the fucking Tony. So it was an older gentleman and I walked in the bathroom and he was at the, he was at the urinal. Right. And I pull up to the one next to him and you know, what is your party? You go there, this through your desk, you go, girl, we fucking 18 of them and some asshole got to come right nice to me.

45:16 Yeah. No, no, no, I you got a file in a certain way. You're one of those fucking guys. You're in a Lenny, okay? It's called the. I would never do that. Yeah, I would never do that. If there was. If there was three year olds who don't. I'm a walk in. Is there a street? Yeah. You. You're the guy that goes in the middle, right?

45:34 Some of the urinals and one guy in the far left. I'm going to the far right. If I was in the middle, I'll probably go to one of the others like it's an Arab. So when I say you got there. Right. But but it's it's the same with elevators. There's just this unspoken etiquette and how you move. Oh, well, I hate people.

45:51 Stand there, yak in the elevator, man. Shut up. Just be quiet. Let's get to my next floor. That's very right. So that you don't have to run in person with me. There was literally two urinals, and he was way. And so I rolled up to the other boy, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was not speaking either. I was doing my business and, you know, he's in midstream when I come in and I just pop in and he's an older gentleman.

46:11 I may get some prostate issues or something. So I, I did my thing and he was still going. Yeah. And so I'm over there washing my hands. Right. And he comes over and washes his hands and we're like about to walk out kind of together. Now, my hand-washing routine was a little bit more elaborate than hers, just because I'm kind of guy, I am.

46:26 And so he actually finished even though I was in the sink first. He finished washing his hands first. Right. Takes the towel, does this, puts towel, and he starts headed off to the door and he notices that I'm done now washing my hands and I have my towel and I'm cleaning up all the water on the sink. Right.

46:39 I see, and he goes, what are you doing? Right. And I was like, cleaning up the sink. The water, the special rooms, you know. Yeah. And, I said, I like to try to leave every space better than it was when I came to it, especially if it's space that my colleagues are. So I spent. Yeah.

46:57 Like, because I was like, the shared domains. There's no ascendant. Fix it. I wasn't raised that way per se, but I was like, I had a, teacher in my high school, social studies teacher that I really admired. And, and he said that to me, one that and like, like I just did something.

47:15 It clicked in my brain. Yeah. And I was like, man, it goes to that entropy thing. I was like, if everybody did that, if everybody just, like, left every space a little bit better than they found it, like, I mean, have you been through Singapore? Yes, yes. Yeah. I was there rather than motivated to do that. But you know, one of the these if you're generally not working where you don't have work is you see by that you get that the strengths that beautiful place.

47:41 It was very nice we spent gunned down you became. Oh, yeah. No, you can't be chewing gum. The police will actually saying people. I've heard the word. I just don't know the litany of offenses they were using for. Yeah, there is it's. And it's beautiful. Yeah. They don't actually have a lawyer is chewing gum in disposing of it.

47:58 I really that that, like, appreciate cultural appreciation for the shared spaces is a virtue for sure. Absolutely. And so, anyway, this, this dickhead, like, chastised me. He's like, you know, why would you, you know, it was worth the. It's not your fucking problem to waste your time, right? Yeah, but he would do this this and I like we have that conversation.

48:15 We we have like, you know company that does and don't don't you don't do that. Right. But do you know there's a company that doesn't care. And he doesn't matter. Yeah, exactly. Why not clean up my mess? Why be a fucking collective cocksucker? Well, they probably appreciate it, too. That's that much less shit they have to do that they can use their time to make the whole place even nicer.

48:34 Yes, exactly. They can. Because to try the other things. Right? Go home a little sooner. Help! 15 minutes makes a huge difference in your day. So the kind of takeaway from a story for me was that there's like people in this world that like, literally think like that. Like I never even thought that they're, you know, like they didn't have the presence of mind that there's some people that have that type of mindset.

48:54 Yeah. And but there are. Right. And so there was that was a big revelation for me that like someone would think negatively about, you know, quickly clean his face improperly. Yeah. I mean, in my opinion, that senile slug needs salt poured upon him. Stack the seatbelts. He he has the energy of a tired snail returning home from a funeral.

49:13 Come on, let's go. We go this way. I mean, let's put it this way. At his retirement party, which was the next year. One of the one of the big, wigs in the company, turns me when he was signing his cards. And how do you spell readings? Yes, quietly. I mean, it was that was beautiful.

49:29 Especially to broadcast that and doing it. Well, certain words are just pigeonholed. Didn't have certain. You know, the word readings is kind of using it. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, I know you guys in the context of good read. Yes, exactly. You know, obviously you didn't write that in this card, but wow, that's unfortunate. I don't know how to score that.

49:50 Yeah. Yeah. But okay. You know, it would have been like a full boss mode, right? If like, not only did he write that, but then it also signed it. Yeah. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you stand by such a statement? Get fucked. I hated working with you. Your piece of garbage signed the boss. Good motherfucking riddance in a rainbow across that.

50:10 I've been in any documentation of HR for ten years. Finally, those lazy assholes did their job good. But. Let me work for you sometime. Oh, yeah. I'd love to see. You know, the guy's like, his vision is not as good as it used to be, so he doesn't really see it, and he gets it mounted. And to lay primarily on this like this.

50:28 Like, do what? For? Yeah. Oh, you know the guy. Cuz my vision is not as good as it used to be. I can't see why you were to use long. Oh, so this big whack on the wall, right. And there's like, the perfect photo of all the people. And then there's the card there and mounted little like mat, though it's cut up nice.

50:45 It's got the nice trimmings and everything's beautiful and like literally grandkid goes up to it and it says literally in there, give fuck.

50:54 Be divine. There'll be like a family heirloom. And it's like in the family now. Everyone hates you. This will be passed down for generations. Yeah. There's a reminder of the fuckery that are great. Grandfather visited upon the world. So, this this whole thing of a passing on generations, I. I don't watch that many videos online. I'm not like, I make it a conscious effort.

51:18 I watch my own screen time, I make sure I don't spend too much time. I put my own controls on there because, like, I know that I can sit there and start school and videos and then right, lighting's us. Yeah, but but the the difference being is that I don't take all the to heart. No. There we go, there we go.

51:37 So you kind of just let it pass through you. Everyone's got an excuse. So there is this there. There is this moment for me, right? I was like, man, that's been. Which was shown on the handheld, super clear. So I had work, I had worked all that. And then I had an early morning. That was it was like, yeah, no, I got up in the morning and did some exercise.

51:54 I spent like an hour doing some exercise and stuff like that. I did everything right. That got my day ready, organized stuff like that. And it was like my days that I'm proud of you know, and I worked my ass off all day. In fact, then I did something with the kids, my son had a sports event or whatever, and then came back and I did more work at night.

52:10 Right. So it's like I was up at like 430 and it's like 10:00 now, and I'm like a lunatic, you know, get ready to go to bed. Yeah, but I'm like, thinking of the day. And I'm like, man, good day. I didn't overeat today. You know, I like, did you know this is kind of day? I'm like to have, you know, reflect on the day.

52:24 I was like, man, this is because able to smoke crack or hexane and then and yeah. And then and you know, just get the usual taken care about satisfied or just derail my brain was saying smoking travels ever that good one. Good to you Jack. And spoil. Who's joking. Yeah. Guys don't do that. Yeah I think that like you smoke crack and then you think that you smoke crack is you think you know your friend's got no to no answer.

52:51 Well, you know, what? Do you want to take the misery of my life. And so, what I did, though, is I was laying in the bed, okay? And it was like, totally good day. Happy, really pleased with myself. And I think I, like, popped up in TikTok or something. Right. And I was like, oh, that's gross. Yeah.

53:06 Talking three hours later, OSHA those sunny white comes starts coming up and I'm like, and you don't know you. What if I say, what did you watch? You guys tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah I began, that's all. Yeah. You can tell me two things I that it was because boys was the same. Oh yeah. That was that. Hey, perhaps it was, but,

53:25 That's okay. So my whole next day obviously was fucked, like. Yeah. You didn't sleep. Was that right? And, you know, my brain was then all active all night. Blue sky blue like my face and so forth. And now feels that your phone's got some flat face and so on. And so my, basically from that point forward, I was like, put my own time on it, said, no way, no way.

53:45 I'm not. I can't do it badly. I enjoy my institute in front of. Yeah, in. So anyway, that was like for me that was a moment. Right. Where is this like this something I can't do that can't happen. Yeah. This is a fucking problem. It's a fucking brain. This is an issue. Yeah. And then you stop and think of the grand scheme of things.

54:03 How many people fucking don't make that realization and just continue. What what impact is that on society? I think that. Oh, no, that's I, I think especially with our youth, I think this is going to later on history going to be seen as a major moral failing of our time of like, not putting the right kind of understanding on this.

54:20 It. Well, if you ever watch Futurama. Right. Said a thousand years in the future, they've repeatedly referred to our time as the stupid ages to hell. Wow. So that's Uber you spend back up, later this month again, I oh my God, there. How many times the internet let it die this last season they did with Starship one.

54:37 No crab fix would beating. Okay. So the the whole thing about this, the meta portion of it is never revealed. So that's October, right? The I don't mean meta like that. Like like Facebook meta. I mean like the, the the metacognition information is never exposed. They so like for example, the s the secret sauce, the secret sauce is IRL and say it's a virgin spices.

55:03 So even at a young age if you if, if you teach the children, even at a young age, how these things work, much like the sexual education. Yeah, they make their choices, right? Educated, right? Kids are not fucking stupid. Well, most hell yeah, they just don't know. And so help them know. Yes, yes. Expose them by degrees to the machinations of the world before the.

55:24 Help them understand what they're grounded in and what they have to operate within. What kind of shit are you going to face on the on it, right? Or why do you think there's a push by a lot of folks to fuck up public education? You know, because they too. Then you generate more fucking docile, ignorant workers. Damn right.

55:40 They want the good little factory worker and they want the one who's not resisting and thinking. They want the one who's compliant and just flows through and does what they wish. Yeah, me will work. Yes. So I think George Carlin, said something to keep him coming back to those job search. Collins fucking those that Ruben piece. George Carlin.

56:00 Yes, yes, I referred him several times. We also have a tendency for some reason. Well, now, for some reason, I think it's germane, but like, talked about Star Trek, I used to do a guy named Jimmy. Jimmy is like this little shining is relevant to his fame, and I, we we sold some interesting products. Sorry, dad.

56:20 Jokes are going to be in there, right? So anyway, I'm not, but we got to keep them. The Star Trek is this, like, was made by Gene Roddenberry, which is the foundation is that is predicated on the principles of humanism. And so it's this idea of like humanism taking to its full extent, what might the future look like for humanity in a positive way?

56:39 Diversity and progressivism and all like that. That was the first interracial kiss on television was Star Trek. There we go. Well, if you've ever seen Idiocracy, you know what the negative outlook look like. And each thing is like, well, I yeah, I've looked out my window to date and you showed we see a live action version of that every day right now, unfortunately, the pendulum has swung that direction.

56:58 And, you know, we've really got to counteract that. I mean, you know, Mike judge was too on point and it was it was prophetic and predictive. We follow all the body, Mary, is that is that the wonder they had introduced the crocs. It's crazy. Yes. Okay. So Sulu actually like world. So I and so is it represents that like to her like Sue hates crocs because of that movie put that influence on her.

57:25 Yeah yeah boxing no I dance girls are fucking Walmart brand eight hour ones. I just piss around the house and this guy is the cheetah. He's like, well, they always wear a thing. Now if I step in fucking cat piss, it doesn't. It's not a big deal to just rinse them off, you know? Oh my feet, you're fucking dirty.

57:43 Somebody whatever. You know, it's Alia just have the piss around. And that's a they're they're fairly practical and they cost like $8. So Pavone, that's the only reason, Sue and Owen went to China. Not the summer, but the summer. And, when they were there, there was this fashion trend where a lot of a lot of the girls were wearing platform crap.

58:01 Yeah. And then they get these little pins that you can put inside the holes of your clocks to make different. Yeah. It's the word. Yeah. So it's. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And there's a name for this fuckers I wouldn't don't I don't care. But it's like the PopSockets not thing I have a into. So this, this whole thing with the the the crocs and but the, the crux of what I was getting out of the truck strikes.

58:27 The crux of what I was getting at are you still those that to get money, you know, with this, kind of idea of individuals and the kids not knowing really what they're, what they're getting into, like UX. So as an adult, I understand why the why microdose, short run videos have a dopamine effect like a well, you know, I've read about it.

58:46 I understand like I understand that there's an algorithm behind it that learns my, my interests. And so they'll ask, tickle addiction, right? Well, sounds of how much of the same type of video you watch. Yeah. And I understand that the algorithm is like, literally at the end of the day, designed to, to, get me as much engage and keep my engagement, get my attention, my engagement as much as possible.

59:06 So I'm being damned well, right. But I'm aware of this. I'm aware of the meta and being aware are if it's effective, it's effective. Yeah, indeed. Even if you do all that, even though if you're aware of it on some level, if you're still beholden to it, it's still your addiction. You know, the attic knows what they're addicted to and knows it's master.

59:25 Well. Well, in some regards that makes it worse, though, because a lot of folks oh, you think you understand it. So in some regards you think you might have more control than you do. You might think you're above it. Oh, this is fine. I know what's going on here. You're not going to fool me. I know all about it, right?

59:37 Yeah, but still. Exactly. I'm not a mayor, so. Because you don't take it. I'm not a meth addict. Right. Sorry, I don't smoke crack for the door. I mean, I'll only be honest about it. The most knowledgeable guy I've ever known in my life about drugs fucking killed himself with overdosing on pills. Fuck you know, I never met anybody who knew more about drugs.

59:56 I mean, this guy was a fucking encyclopedia on the shit. Wow. You know, that's just how things work for for my experience with this kind of domain, a majority of people I see get into it really don't really know what they're getting into until, like, they're really into it and then they learn it. You know, a lot of live and learn it and hopefully they come out of it.

1:00:13 Right. But on a lot of that will then, you know, galvanize them hopefully to prevent it in future because they've had the really negative test with it. But anyway for the kids is what I'm getting at is that they don't really have a full control and handle over the meat. On how all these little influences that are playing into gaming them.

1:00:28 Right. But if you, you know, once they hit a certain age, you know, if you really talk to them and explain it about them, you'll actually notice that they choose to engage in a southwest right? So there is definitely, there's definitely, correlation. You could make correlation between education and better choices. Yeah. There's an absence education is bullshit.

1:00:48 Doesn't work. Yeah, yeah. That you need more rich and varied information about the experience you're about to enter or that you might encounter. That is the answer. Education over the context of in you know, whether that be his history, which we're shrinking and removing or whether that be, you know, societal norms and norms of the time. I mean, you, you need in your you do your kids a disservice if you don't give them the whole picture, even if you don't want them to experience it.

1:01:22 You have to say, this is what it is, and this is what I know about it. Right? And it's still I think it is still a good idea. It didn't take efforts to limit exposure, limit access to those things, but I think it's a fool's errand to tell yourself that that is the solution. Right? Right. So we we shouldn't just say, oh, it's not going to work, so we'll fucking just don't bother.

1:01:40 It's like computer sod. It's like computers. I'll teach them it's defense in depth. Right. They're giving these kids an array of tools and an array of layers to work through an approach to new information and new experience. Right, right. So my approach to this and I might not be the right approach for this is what I think is the right answer.

1:01:58 Okay, is that the majority of kids that I, that I know about right now in society, and I think this data will show this is true, also have a default state where they have access to always on internet all the time and everything that come. Right. That's the third party come by. That's the typical default state for most kids growing up now in America and mostly the world.

1:02:16 But my lab was mentioned earlier. Yes. And so next thing that I do with my kids, once they're old enough to understand is I tell them, they explain to them the best of my ability in a way that I think they can understand the mechanics of how this stuff works and why it's it's harmful to to engage too much in this stuff.

1:02:33 Because what this is the brain, it's a lot of misunderstanding is not a valid source of an actual problem. The natural aka right. And then I shall look at some of your friends, and I use them as a model of what they're going through right now. Like they're really struggling because with this stuff. Right. And so then I tell them explicitly, what we've done in this family is we've changed the default state.

1:02:49 The default state is that you don't have always on internet, right? It's firewalled off the default state. Is there screen time limitations on the on the TV and on the computers? Right. And it took a long, an incredible effort to put all that stuff in place across my entire infrastructure of devices, cell phones, computers, you know, tablets and by law.

1:03:07 And then the hub right between that is really getting across the positive side of the aspect of that and the difference compared to everyone else. And right now I do, I get different, I just dad's been an asshole here. Being mean about all my friends get is simply a no oh direct way that you'd have to swap approaches, without just being basic cold turkey immediately.

1:03:29 Something afterward. What? It's much like what Sean was saying is you can't wait. Make them completely asymmetric to the rest of the people in the world. They have to have some exposure. So they do. They have some limited time on the stuff and you know, and then we talk about it too. I try to do the thing where you say, like, you know, what did you see on those videos?

1:03:43 You know, you can kind of ask the like, you know, what do I make you think? So it's amazing, you know, think about what they're information they're experiencing now. It's not perfect, but I make mistakes all the time now to fill up the perspective. You do errors you want. But yeah, but I've tried. But I've tried to come up with a new default and explain to them.

1:04:00 Right. Like the default case is this in society for. But for you this family has a different default. Yeah. Right. And this is not to like protect you and pretend that we're insulated from the world, that the world is evil or like that. It's just a just to put reasonable state of a base state to make it thing.

1:04:16 But if you want somebody to do something, make it easy. Result? Yes. Make it the default. Make it reduce friction.