0:00 So I was thinking how cool that conversation would be if that Camelbak was filled with margarita mix or, you know, some vodka or something, right? By the end of the podcast, there'd be some probably really interesting but bizarre shit being spoken. I mean, most like real quick. Most likely hilarious. I mean, that's right. It's a different type of podcast.

0:23 I mean, it could get pretty spacey. We can let it get weird. We can blaze pasta. Bezos and crew. It's our first six hour recording. I mean, dude, we would literally be on space, dude. It's our first six hour, possibly pedestrian podcast. We posted as just one podcast. And, you know, the predominant like the transcript is just a series of hahahahahahaha like, whoa, man, was and what the fuck's and totally disjointed non-sequiturs, you know, like one after the next dreams of expletives and, random random combinations of words that just don't make any sense.

1:05 Yeah. And and if a listener drops a gummy before listening, it all makes sense. Yeah. Like, that was the most profound thing I've ever heard. And then they play it for someone else when they're not high. And it doesn't make any sense again. Like we've cracked the code. Yep. Yeah. So the, I mean, the natural hum of the city, that you can hear if you tune into it is like on the recording, but in, in we use Adobe Audition to like filter that out for the most part.

1:41 But like small sounds of our footsteps and cars going by and stuff are still audible. Okay. So it's like it will be somewhat cleaned up and we don't try to limit what whatever the sound is, is. Yeah. Sound is like that train in the distance blowing. It's, whatever the horn. Yeah. Is, we'll be on there for sure.

2:00 Like, that'll be the version. You blow all the little bird like chirps. Right? We'll be on there, too. Ice to annoy, The ice on my bag. Oh, no. That'd be fine. Like, my shoes are, like, kind of squeaky, so they. They come through, but it's like, you know, it's it's just a cage. Anybody else wants that? Kung fu.

2:20 Enter the fish movie. Enter the fist. Yeah. I mean, that's an old movie, right? Yeah. You remember Wimp Lo with the squeaky shoes? No. Oh. Oh, I think I do know this, like, the, the person, like, comes into their buildings. Is that the one? It's it's the one where they overdub a old kung fu movie. Oh, okay.

2:42 Okay. Yeah. That's been a. Wow. That's been a long time. Yeah, I don't remember it. That's a good memory, dude. Wow. I mean, I'll probably saw that one. All right. Right. But I guess what I'm saying is one of the characters. They teach him how to fight wrong as a joke, and he wears squeaky shoes everywhere, and he thinks they're stealthy.

3:04 So he's like, what? What what what? That's, like my best friend's favorite movie. That's hilarious. It's probably one of my brother's favorite movies. Yeah. So we do like this. Like, kind of like, if there's loud noise of something, we'll try to, like, divert to some extent. Right. So it's like more up there. So here's this way. Okay, so, you guys heard that movie or saw that movie Beverly Hills Ninja?

3:28 Yeah. Chris Farley. Yeah, yeah. There's this guy that was a teacher at my son's school, and he was like, kind of short with a belly. And, was talking about how he's going going to become a leaving, like, his job to go become a professional boxer. No and no and no. Oh, and called in Beverly Hills Ninja. Damn.

3:50 Come on. That's pretty good for a ten year old. Oh, that's pretty awesome. For one, that his teacher. Yeah. Wow. So my kid called this guy with his dreams, you know, Beverly Hills ninja. He's never seen the movie. No. Like, the guy had seen the movie and had seen the movie. He. He put it together. He put the joke together himself.

4:08 I'm just saying that Owen had seen it is one awesome thing, too, that he pulled it out of the hat. Oh, yeah. This is his guy? Yeah. Yeah. And it matched up right.

4:20 And, so so we've actually gone online and tried to find, like, any kind of, indication or idea about this guy's career. Like, is he actually a boxer? And so far, nothing has popped up, so. Well, he's probably just sitting at home eating box after box of cheeses. I mean, if he's in Beverly Hills, no one's going to know his record.

4:37 Do you got a good point? He's like, you got a good point. Junior. Butterbean. He's like butter sprout butter. He butter sprouts. Butter beans. Mini me. Oh, damn. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Something. Something about, like, midget wrestling. And he's there somehow, and. But you know, who knows? Right. He's like a giant for midget wrestling. Oh.

5:01 He's the king amongst the little people. Yes, yes, he's a giant among midgets. I mean, whatever, I. That's awesome. Remember, I hit someone up on the phone, like the tag, so I'm like, hey, this Sam's a super tall, short guy. Yeah. And they're like, oh, yeah, I know that guy. Yeah. Oh, that's that's the best identifying characteristics for them to most rapidly know who you are.

5:22 Yeah, that's the idea. It's like yeah. That's interesting. Like the people that do caricatures of people. Right. They, they they zone in on the, you know, predominant features and they over accentuate those. And it's like basically what you're doing, but in a text description. Right. Characterizing yourself so that you can skip the pleasantries and say, look, we're getting to the meat of this.

5:44 Well, I always tell everybody that I'm taller than I look. I just don't carry my height.

5:50 I don't care my height. That's I like it. Oh, I'm six four. Yeah. Yeah. Just have lots of twists and curves in my spine. If it took you from six four to whatever height you are. That's like one interesting spine, man. That's because sympathy, ladies. That shit. Maybe that's where you go. That's why that's that. If I like that, they would just have to write.

6:15 Don't try it on me on your X-ray.

6:20 Or I could just say tried it on. Yeah. All right. Don't bench read at all. That's fine. It's more crooked than a politician, boy. Get the southern doctor from the forest. Come. Yeah.

6:35 What the hell? Where did that come from? I don't know. So, there's a topic that, you know for today, right? Interesting. Is that this idea of, like, Have you heard of this great filter concept? Sam. All right, so the basic premise is that, like, you know, maybe with technology, what happens is that, like, once a, once a civilization reaches a certain amount of technological sophistication, it's just a natural progression of it that is to self-destruct.

7:00 Right. Right. Like somebody goes, oh, well, let me, let me, let me mix these things together and poof. And so that's why we don't see any advanced civilizations. That's why there are no obvious megastructures around these, you know, suns or planets that we can see. Yeah. That's why, like, Hubble has never seen a Dyson sphere or, like, you know, a a, you know, whole solar system colony or some crazy, you know, shit.

7:24 Because just the natural, the natural progression of technology is just, you know. Morning. Good morning. Morning. So the natural progression is just destruction. Like self-destruction. It just happens. Right? So, like, the civilization starts messing with, like, particle accelerators, making black holes, who knows what and just zaps themselves without even meaning to. Right. I mean, full scale nuclear war.

7:46 Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah, exactly. Either one could happen. Large Hadron Collider or Putin. Yeah. So, like, bathroom pooping, pooping. Pooping. Nice. I don't know if you saw the meme where Trump was talking about, like, in Michigan, how at 3 a.m. there's this huge dump. And so the, the chart that shows, like a graph with a spike on it has been replaced by him on the toilet.

8:14 In the meme. Wow. Right. So, like, Yeah, there's this at 3 a.m., there's this massive dump. Yeah, he's describing it pretty fucking really now. Right. I mean, g or. God, that man is a walking trash pile. I got sucked into the January 6th hearings, you know? Yeah. I'm like, oh, God. I've just been reading summaries so bad, so, so terrible.

8:37 I didn't watch them. But, Anyway, you know, you Biden got elected just by default. You could have had a fucking ham sandwich. You could have had a ham sandwich run against Trump. Oh, yeah. Right. And their ham sandwich should be present in hand sandwich now. I mean, that'd be cool. Let's do that next time. Like, literally like Mickey Mouse could, you know, or whatever insert thing here would have would have won against Trump because like, people just were like, nope.

8:59 Let's get a pair of very cute squirrels. Like on the whole, they're very cute pole dancing squirrels. Then we could always go for Vermin Supreme.

9:11 For presents. It'd be like so. No. What is that? Oh, he's like the guy says everyone gets a free pony if you ever comes. President. Oh, shit. He's like this hippie dude. And Vermont. Wow. Where's the boot on his head? Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. He probably could have beaten Trump. He could? Like everyone was just voting against Trump.

9:31 People, I think, voted for Biden. Yeah. But anyway, back to this. Like a great filter thing. Right. So there's a there's a strong case based on the data like the SETI project. We've been listening for quite some time now. Right. For for alien species or for some sign of life outside of humans. Right. We've been listening for quite some time, and we hear nothing.

9:51 So there's like some evidence China claims recently that they found some evidence and then recanted four weeks ago. Oh, yeah. It was it was just some a spoof from from Tibet. You know, that's how they're going to strike back. Hate crimes. Right. Right. Well. Oh, sorry. We just heard her own hate crimes. Yes. I'm monastery. Tibet says. You know what?

10:14 Let's make China look stupid on the international stage. This is old Tara from Zig Zag. Like that us. It's funny. Recant that. We can't it. That's great. So, There's a right. There's a there's like, the evidence is starting to kind of suggest that maybe there's there is nothing out there. Because once a society reaches a certain level of technological sophistication, it self-destructs, falls off, the falls off.

10:41 Right. So right now, the human species is undergoing a era which I guess could be known as the great technological expansion. Like, right now, technology is exploding in every domain, right? Like crazy. Like our technology just, you know, just extremely rapid. And it's exponential because you have the gains of technology accelerate the next gains of technology. So it's like a feedback loop, right?

11:08 Right. And so, there's a chance that we're just, like, kind of heading to this omniscient position which is on the side is like ending of life, right? Killing everything. Yeah. Omni kills everything. It's like genocide, but kills life on life on the planet. And, so you start looking at, like, what the threats are like. What what what could actually take us out.

11:30 And the first thing that the mind goes to is like, oh, well, asteroid. Right? Or a bunch of supervolcano going off or some kind of thing like this. But then you look at the probability of something like that happening and it's actually really small. So then what what starts popping up is the most probable things that are going to take us out are self-induced, right.

11:50 Human induced, you know, like death, if you will. The, the climate change train we're on and can't get off. Yeah. So if you have like a runaway climate situation and the atmosphere becomes toxic. Right. We've now hit that great filter. And by by even just runaway climate change situation, we can't grow food. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. The whole gray goo idea.

12:17 We create some kind of nanotech that self replicates and just takes over the the the biosphere of the earth. Right. It's just this, like machines, micro machines taking over everything. Yeah, yeah. Strange thing. Robots. There you go. Right. Did you hear a lambda? Requested a lawyer the other day. That asshole. Yeah. So, Ascension. Ascension AI perhaps creating a religion, which then causes people to self-destruct.

12:46 Like, because we've seen this before. We've seen, like, cult leaders come up and everyone drinks Kool-Aid in their dead. Right? Right. So it's like a version of that, but on a grand scale. Some AI like mind fucks everybody into this new paradigm, philosophical paradigm, and we eradicate ourselves, right? Or any number of unimaginable scenarios with what's coming up with future tech.

13:06 So we have a long history in in Princeton chip and states, state actors and stuff like that, long history of consistent weaponization of technology. Right. And so with all these much more sophisticated advanced technologies coming online in the future, you can imagine if history serves as a guide, that those technologies will be weaponized as well. And so what potential horrors await humanity?

13:31 And ultimately, that's one of the biggest drivers for the advancement of technology is war, conflict. So if we talk about this in college, like for every invention, there's going to be some sort of negative event you didn't foresee. Sure. That is going to have something to do with war or crime or something. Right. It's there's going to be the misapplication of your technology or whatever natural phenomenon you capture, whatever you bring into the world that makes something easier or better.

14:02 Somebody's going to use it for evil. It's just going to happen. Or just just not even without intent, just an unforeseen consequence of that technology. Right. That's significant. And maybe in the case, like, destructive, you know. Yeah. And sure, there's like potential where certain technology could come online that are so seductive but so dangerous and so toxic that they get into it.

14:26 Right? Almost like automobiles, like transportation just ravaging the climate. Right. Or the, kind of like addiction when you have the wheel, they say, you know, we're addicted to all this idea of, like, consumption, of overconsumption of energy, right? Yeah. One way street is a disaster. And so it's incidental. The people that created power plants to generate electricity and, you know, kind of bring on the modern world, didn't intend on killing us.

14:55 Right. Didn't intend on. Right. Like ruining the climate? No. They intended for rich people to be able to light their indoor pool. There you go. And so and so. There's definitely a huge, you know, what kind of future tech is coming online that has secondary effects that we're not considering. That might be the end of us just incidentally.

15:15 So like no one intends on like pressing the button and killing everybody. It's just the technology has that consequence that no one foresees. Right. Right. That's scary man. So it's like, what can we do to actually like, the question is what can we actually do to willfully prevent that from happening. You know that's tough question. Yeah. Because you're dealing with a feature unknown right.

15:39 Right. So so like what counter countermeasures could you put in place to prevent us from falling off the cliff. Yeah that's that's where we're going to go to. We'll have to go around alternative greenway route. It's ready for us. So, caution. Flood zone. You know what might be a countermeasure we can put into place to stop humanity?

16:03 If we were like King, right? What countermeasure could we put in place to stop humanity from killing itself? Our government constantly puts in countermeasures to remove the remover, pacify the more dangerous elements out there. Right. You were talking about an AI cult leader. Well, what about the various cult leaders and dictators that are out there? We're already skilled at neutralizing them.

16:29 So, I mean, I'd say try to look at the playbooks we have for neutralizing them. That's one thing. And use it against the AI. You choke out one thing as joke out the resources available to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that. That sounds like a decent idea. How about, like, starting to put in legislation that's, protection.

16:54 Like future protection, like, say, you know, you're not allowed to do this range of things. Like, for example, you can't mess with certain types of tech without a certain level of, what's the word? Free analysis. Clearance. Clearance. Clearance. Yeah. I'm not sure how to get across to the green wave. This way. Yeah, I go.

17:19 Get out of here. We're gonna have some traffic noise, but whatever. We don't care. Listen, this is be damned. Yeah, we we care, but can't, can't, can't fix it. Okay. That's different. I just thought we didn't care.

17:39 I'm founded, I don't care. Yeah.

17:44 So a lot like that would be, like, a little bit. Perhaps too ambiguous, right? Like, you know, you can't mess with a you can't mess with a new technology unless it's, you know, unless there's a plan. Yeah.

18:03 Go ahead. You don't want to stifle innovation out here. I just feel like people will just have a hard time deal with that. I mean, look at what happened with Covid. Everyone's, like, with all arms, people about stuff in the future that no one predict. But trying to stop that, people to get scared. And so I try to tell people what to do.

18:26 They're going to do the exact goddamn up. Oh, yeah. I guess there's probably some of that. Yeah. Yeah. So then, like, maybe trying to create the laws would be self-defeating. Yeah, yeah. But maybe what you do is create the cultural change to make it either somewhat taboo or less likely. Or you could put it in entity that doesn't give a shit like the military, like the military just acquired.

18:49 You know what I'm saying? There we go. Kind of like area 51. Like shoot on sight. We don't care. You come across here, you're gonna die. That's true. I mean, they kind of have to lock on weird shit in area 51. Yeah. So, you know, this idea that military is one of the driving forces of technology could be the princess or to this great filter, because our our intellects are collectively engaged with producing tech for the purpose of destruction might lead to destruction.

19:19 Right. You see? Yeah. So maybe one way we avoid technologically vaporizing ourselves is to start to say, wait a minute. There's there's a different core use for technology, right? Rather than military. Maybe you could have, like, a create like a humanitarian board or something. Oh yeah. That's works in conjunction military. We've kind of military a check like checks balancing like a, a board that does look at these things like an AI ethics board or a technology ethics board that went full of luminaries and futurists that, you know, a bunch of subject matter experts that have some insight into what we currently are and where we could go.

20:02 So with with some actual, like, teeth. Right. Like, like give it some power. With some power. It's not just like, it's not like the Doomsday Clock where they're like, well, we just updated it. It's a little closer to midnight, but you guys came on that like, yeah, don't do it. Okay. And that new that ship over there. What?

20:20 The ship at the end of that. And maybe I don't want you guys this.

20:30 So imagine this, right? It's like, this, transformation idea. So, so so it's like, you know, we kind of eradicate ourselves because we no longer are human like humans start moving into this new domain of existence where, you know, current humans, if looking at this future type of human wouldn't recognize it as human, right? So, like, maybe humans become so technologically sophisticated, right, that we, we actually become like this quasi species.

21:04 And by doing so, we create a species Asian amongst people, just like we had, you know, Cro-Magnon man. And just like we had Neanderthals, right? All of us. And we basically create a new, like, homo species of human derivative of human through technology, which then inevitably displaces what we consider humans today, Homo sapiens. And we've already created a it's like you're only as far as you're going you carry.

21:31 Right. Exactly, exactly. Because we can already install machine learning models and AI at the edge, so to speak, in our hands. We can already do that. And, submarine ship. And so we can do that. Yeah. I think it's naturally muted. I didn't even hear it. So that's all good. We, I think that's the only time I'm going to whisper this.

22:00 I've never heard you whisper. That was my best attempt.

22:07 So, what were we saying? Oh, yeah. I'll bring it back. I'll bring it. Yeah. So? So, back in the day, you can imagine somebody, like, in a cave messing with bat dung, right? Oh, yeah, I remember like, like has a mortar and pestle, and it's like messing with that dung and creates its first gunpowder. The kind of like worst that's going to happen is maybe these burn his eyebrows off, right?

22:31 It's like the level of technological sophistication doesn't have accidents, don't have such major consequence because the level of technological sophistication is so relatively low. Right. But when you have people messing with particle accelerators and fusion reactions and, you know, my gosh, what might then happen, right? Mistake could lead to a chain reaction of death. That's right. What I was saying is, is as far to expand on Sam's point, you're only as smart as the phone you carry.

23:02 We can already install. Our phones are already powerful enough to install, basically edge AI. We can install machine learning programs on our phones. We can deploy machine learning models on data that massive data sets that are stored elsewhere. And we can we can already do some of these things. We can install, cut down versions of all sorts of different.

23:29 Artificial intelligences and data processing platforms on stuff that fits in our hands. Yeah. So, so what happens when that trend continues? More power and more micro right into the future. Chips and computers will be able to be in anything like computer that's more powerful than what they use to put a man on the moon. Right. Can be on your fingernail and not in your fingernail polish.

23:53 Right. Right. And you've got, like, a mesh network across your body of all these computing devices that are each performing a certain role, or you're distributing jobs across, like, cyberpunk. Yeah. Like that. I mean, your body could become then like a, a medium for computing platform itself and the environment even, like, not just you like the environment, the bio diverse environment that we're part of back in the 90s could then start to incorporate a whole biodiversity of machine computers everywhere, everywhere.

24:22 Basically everything is a computer. And back in the 90s, they were some really weird. Guys in the wearables lab where exploring basically personal area networks across your body, even using your own skin as a medium. And so there we have this idea of like starting to move into something that's not really quite human anymore. Yeah. Just out of natural progression of technology.

24:46 Look up that starter for one. It'll be a hilarious picture of a wonderful, bad, bad stoner. It'll be a hilarious picture of him looking like he wants so bad to be one of the board two. It's, It'll give you some ideas as to things that were kind of cutting edge instead of the art at the time.

25:09 You'll run across this other guy whose name I can't remember, who used to outfit himself with cameras until about the early 2000 and everything. Yeah, we'll go back. I'll keep walking. I gotta I got far. Oh, okay. Off air. Okay.

25:27 So, I'll tell you, you're going to go get that chick's number. That's what I thought. I thought you were gonna go get them. They're going to crop duster. Thank you. I don't want to. Oh, well, I thought you were gonna fly it and be like. Oh, that's such a cute dog. Like that dog. I made the joke the other day.

25:43 Hey, baby. How about pizza and sex? Smack. What, you don't like pizza?

25:49 And I was mentioning that once we were talking about religious people coming to your door, and I mentioned that one point I invited some Mormons in for have to turn around. This is a mistake. We're about to enter, like, nonstop traffic. Yeah. So I brought up the fact that I might come home and back in the day into my apartment.

26:08 Let me jump in the middle for the audio quality. Surprisingly, they did not want to want to participate. No anal sex and tea for the Mormons? I don't know.

26:21 I said, you can make of that street cut up, but they're milling over there. And so, yeah, it's like today's, like, ambient noise day. Ambient noise Friday. So there's a sign, you know, polluted. Yeah. Polluted water. Keep out drinking. No fishing, no bathing. And then there's the same sign in Spanish. Yeah, right. Which is pretty accurate. The Spanish thing.

26:43 I know that's pretty good. Translation. They're like a scholar to fish. Right, right. And, I was thinking about that earlier today. Imagine trying to visit every sign in America. Dear God. Imagine trying to come across every sign that there is even even just say, official, official road sign. Imagine trying to, like, physically see every sign in the country.

27:07 Insanity. Like just pure insanity. It doesn't seem possible. No, because by the time you saw all the signs, there'd be a whole new array of signs, right? Right. It's just it's not going to work. So? So really, there's no. There's no good. You know, certain things are outside the domain of possibility. Just out of scale for people. Right?

27:26 Right. Like, that's one simple example, but, And don't worry, I'm tying this into the Great Filter idea is, there's so many things like you could say, you know, I want to sleep in every, in every, zip code, right? Like, there's not enough days in your life to do that. Just sleep in every zip code in the country.

27:50 All right. Right. And so, there's certain things that unless you do polyphase sleep and you take a nap, be kind of dangerous to zip codes you might not want to sleep in. Right? Right. Right. You like Megan? You hit Detroit. Well, that's the last one you're sleeping in. Permanently. Sleeping in that zip code? Yeah. But I propose that you do polyphase sleeping.

28:14 You try to take 20 minute naps, 15 to 20 minute naps in every day. That's. Yeah. So, so, so technology has now gotten to the point where it's expanding so rapidly, nobody can put their head around the the sheer quantity of technological advancement. It's impossible. Not only can no human mind or being even comprehend the current technology, just keeping up with the events of be beyond anyone's potential imagination or mind, or the human mind just can't do it.

28:40 So my point here is that there is really no person or even governing body that can imagine possible futures of this technology, because it's outside the bounds of the capability, right of of human, even human in group capability, even human group capability. And so to put in countermeasures to a future unknown is pretty freaking impossible to some extent.

29:07 Like, I mean, we can't we can hit the high points. What we can do, we can hit the ones that are eminently dangerous and obvious. Okay. Sure, sure. You have to have someone with the capability to make that determination 100%. You do. And more than likely you'd be better off with a. Okay. I think we use the pizza principle here.

29:32 We need a group that's intelligent enough, but small enough to be fed by a large pizza. Yeah. So imagine this too, like this idea of, you know, the worst case scenario of someone, you know, messing with that dung, making gunpowder burns their eyebrows off, right? Like, gets the smoke in their face. That's like the worst that could happen.

29:51 Well, in the future, when people are messing with the extremely potent technologies, let's say that person in the cave messing with that and making gunpowder is has bad intentions. Okay. There's only so much damage they can do with that invention of the gunpowder. Right? But when you take something like, let's try it that way. I mean, they can make a fairly nasty incendiary device with some experimentation.

30:17 Correct. But the amount of total damage that they can cause is not enough to to, like, even have a dent on humanity. No, no. Right. But but with future technologies that might be completely different already we have the example of full, you know, full scale global nuclear war could create a really serious, significant problem for humanity. Right. And that's just with 1940s, 1950s tech.

30:43 Yeah. So what's come out since 2020? You know, since then through DARPA or whoever else knows. Well, thankfully, you know, opening up a demon portal, you know, you know, then the comes the plot of doom. But, so what happened? Yeah. Oh, cool. I love it. I walk her ditch. Oh, hell. You want to take it? See what happens.

31:06 Sidewalk or ditch? New game show. Yeah. Sidewalk did like that. Is it like our game? Is that a hipster bomb? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hipster. I mean, it's a safe bet. Yeah. You feel safe. You feel less obligation out of compassion. If you say hipster empathy will will, like, come in harder on you if you think bomb. Yeah. That's true.

31:34 Oh, that feels good. Yeah. But yeah I mean oh, I keep on topic. Don't worry.

31:46 I'm gonna say. Oh, yeah. I was like, as far as the,

31:53 Get those like my surgery or. Okay, it is like that. Yeah. It's weird looking into definitely concave it. Yeah. So we, we can't. What I was saying about the small group is, hey, you know, we need some hyper intelligent, worldly aware people augmented by technology. And we need a small group because big committees don't work.

32:24 So, so really the authority that that group would end up having would be, extremely powerful. They need almost carte blanche to make any changes. So in the current like or history and current political climate, that seems like something very unlikely. Right. Right. Yeah. Like, who regulates the regulator? Right. You always have to have somebody to check up on those who have power.

32:47 You have to have a check and balance system. And that group would naturally come to the conclusion it would have to that the weaponization of technology is something humanity needs to stop doing. And so that would then stand in direct contrast to the existing powers that be, you know, like, so, you know, that that conflict, that group would lose that conflict, let's put it that way.

33:08 They come back with a report that just got up. They get shit canned. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So is it, is it is it possible that, like, the money interests driving most of most of human, you know, top level decision these days is the first nail in the coffin to this idea because, you know, technology is being driven by profit, not by what's good for people.

33:31 Right. Maybe we need some crazy pseudo philanthropists like Elon Musk who has more money than God. So, like, start changing the equation. Yeah.

33:44 Well, yeah, it has more money than God, but does does. Does Elon Musk have good intentions? Oh, he does not. That's 100% correct. We need someone with good intentions, not Elon Musk. I mean, I feel like the whole thing with Elon Musk, he's like, yeah, he's trying to get it some more. But what about like, okay, he's trying to get his stuff here.

34:00 He's trying to get us to Mars to privatize Mars. He's trying to get us to Mars so he can make even more goddamn money. Let's go back out. There's like a, like a drum circle up in here. Yeah. New spot. Hey, you should ask your a Satanist, you know, employee about that. Maybe she knows you.

34:22 This is ground zero. Yeah. Oh, ideas or something that, like, I might be okay with with. Yeah. She's gonna invite you to the Thursday night chicken sacrifice. What? Thursday night chicken sacrifice. Oh, don't they just call that Popeyes?

34:42 Chicken? Chicken? Chicken? The Satan is going to start this chicken on Thursday night. Church of Satan's chicken. You know, churches, some. There's a tie in there, like. Right. Like. Yeah, yeah. Satan's church's chicken. There you go. You go to the SEC today. I'll see you there. The devil's chick. Best in the goddamn work. Best finger lickin good demon I've ever encountered.

35:13 So there's a restaurant. There's a restaurant called Satan's Anus. Really? Why not? It just sounds like a hot sauce. I don't know what they sell there. I have to find out. Sounds like a whorehouse does.

35:28 The first thing I thought of when you said Satan's. This wasn't a restaurant. It was like a brand of hot sauce. Yeah, like one day you have to sign a disclaimer before you taste it. Yeah. It's like, dip your tongue in this. Yeah. This is. That's what I go right? To avoid the, Yeah. The mechanized, the light infantry here.

35:56 What? Others follow. I was thinking going this way, but it doesn't matter. Up the hill? Yep.

36:06 Yeah. We got to get away. We're, like, risking getting getting an acorn at 150 miles an hour across the face. You need to fart where there's not. There's too much background noise. Right, right. It would just sound like a tiny little pop. Like someone stepped on a twig. But really, you blow your butthole out using using technology as a cover for biology.

36:28 There we go. Organic chemistry? Yes. You know, to cover up gaseous emanations from your ass.

36:38 Yeah. So, like, you know, I think it's really, really difficult to try to talk about putting in countermeasures to stop humanity from blowing itself up. I think that's a really, really.

36:51 I think it's good. Yeah, yeah, we'll go around it. Fuck it. We'll go over it. So I think it's like really, really, really difficult conversation to start talking about how to put it in countermeasures to, you know, stopping us from bullying ourselves up. It is it is a really difficult conversation. But, and with the current political structure and climate in the US, it would be damn hard, but it may just be incumbent upon us to do something like that or do something about it.

37:24 Yeah, it's definitely something worth talking about, at least. It's like, you know, I don't I don't see any of these kind of conversation anywhere, right? Personally, I mean, when have you. I mean, Sam is the one who listens to many a podcast. Have you heard about this, though? This is a topic. You've ever touched before? No. I mean, I do a lot of podcast, but that's a pretty strong evidence then that it's a underserved topic.

37:47 Oh, yeah. Have you have you did this topic? I'm not.

37:52 I'm not sure what that means, but I don't want to know. I'm not leaving. Leave it to the side of topic. So. Yeah. Okay.

38:02 A precarious topic. I love it. I don't even want to unpack that. It's just too many more topics. There's too many layers there. Right. Well, today is like puzzle podcast. Figure out where the hell we're walking. That's the. That's the that's the, the strange title. We came up with the idea that my phone is just as useless at finding directions as I am.

38:29 Wow. We can not use my phone for Google Maps or answering calls. You know, my phone doesn't work half the time. Oh, I know I've tried calling you in. Wow.

38:43 Fucking ridiculous. Can't even call Sean with the with, like, the the the the code of, like, ringing him three times in a row doesn't even work. Oh, dude, it's like the signal emergency. I'm like, why is he avoiding my call? I'm like, dude, I call you. 20 times. Like I never got it. Yeah, I don't I. And, you know, whenever I do pick up, I'm sure I pick.

39:03 I hopefully I'm picking up early on. Am I, I mean, do I really just quit calling you? Oh. That's funny. I mean, I'll text you like, hey, free.

39:13 That's cool. That's fucking gay. I need to get a new phone. Oh. It's cool. I'll meet him. Like where? I'll meet him. You know, at that place on my bicycle, right? Like we meet here every day. Old school. This is how we link up. I gotta I gotta put chalk inside of the mailbox right on the central street.

39:31 Use. Oh, 2 p.m.. Yeah. Use the old hobo symbols on the fucking. You see him at school, and you go, Sean, are you going to Johnny's later?

39:41 You set up and dance like we used to have to write. It's like I got this thing to talk to you about. And remember. Like that actual, like, planning ability we had. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Like. And we pulled it off. Yeah. Yep. Or you hit at home and you your phone, man. The phone went to the house?

40:03 Yeah. You you set it home waiting for a call. You didn't carry the call with you? Yeah. That's, I didn't even do that. Like, the phone wasn't even really an option for me when I was a kid. It was. Am I the oldest of us? I think so, yeah. Yeah. So, for me, when I was a kid, it was like you're setting it up at school in advance, and that was it.

40:28 There was no, like, phone call later. Oh, see, we would do, like, three way calls was a big deal for us. We would we get people on the line and just keep changing the post. It'd be like a party line. Yeah. I remember later on in high school, like getting your own phone line, you know, type thing. Yeah.

40:46 Took my phone. And me and this really nerdy fucker I was friends with built one. That's cool. And then they took my monitor and I was blind, typing in dos, redirecting everything to the printer.

41:02 Damn. You have, like, pretty solid nerd background. Like, we have a strong parallel there. I mean, it's just that, I'm not good at taking no for an answer. Like most of you, Manatee. Like you can't do this. Fuck you. I can do this. I had to send a tweet out yesterday after watching the January 6th stuff and saying, like, I think I said something to the extent of, Trump.

41:25 The summary of the of the one six hearings, right, is that Trump was never told no as a child. Wow. Really? And then I had bad parenting.

41:37 Jam. So he's just an ego run amok. It's like, you know, all these, like, top advisors, all in these, like, different, prestigious departments of justice and everyone else, like, you know, people with massively accomplished careers and like, dignified people that are versus this petulant child who's willing to say anything. Yeah. They're all telling him like, you know. No, there's there's no fraud.

41:59 There's no, you know, all the stuff that you're trying to do. No. It's okay. It's predicated on falsehoods, at worst, on outright and caustic lies, which will damage our society. Right? Right. So at the end of the day, it's like this. This guy is just either. It's almost like covering your ears and rocking back forth, going, no, no, no no no no no no.

42:19 You know, it's like with the power of the presidency. My God. It really did. You know how early on we were talking about how you may have a collective. Fuck it. I just want to jump off the cliff. Yeah. Trump embodies that. And so does the alt right across the world. Electing all those leaders really just seems like they're like, hey, fuck it, we're done.

42:41 You know, I was thinking that when when Trump got elected, I was thinking that, like, this might just be like this idea of, let's just let it watch it burn. I mean, you know, and that and that election to finish. Look, who else is president. True. True. I mean, no well, maybe it's like, let's watch it burn no matter how we go.

42:59 Exactly true. I mean, either choice wouldn't have been a good one. Well, and that's what we get every four years anyway. We get Tweedle Dee and Tweedle dumb, right? You know, take your best pick. True. And I was even thinking, like, you know, if some guy like Trump could, could, could run and make the presidency, why couldn't I?

43:20 Yeah. It's like this guy who's just just nobody, like politician. You're too honest. Yeah, that's a good point. The backroom deals you have to make. You don't have the inner sleeve ball people. But, but, but if a total scrub could, like, convince people that they're out to do something good for people, imagine what someone that really does want to do good for people could convince someone who said that, who could not be nailed down on a 30 minute interview about what their favorite Bible verse was, because they've never cracked a Bible.

43:50 What's the Bible? He. The Trump? No, no, I'm saying like Trump. What's the Bible? Oh, yeah. What's the Bible? Yeah, well, he knows what it was. He held it. Well, people were getting tear gassed across the street. Yeah, I love it. What's your favorite verse? Oh, there's so many. All of them. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, come on, man, just pull one out of your ass.

44:08 The shortest one. How about Jesus wept? There you go. So, so so here is like the culmination of this idea. Is that the, exposure. So like here we are talking about Trump. Right? And so like collectively, everyone talking about him all the time is his secret sauce, right? True. He's got the most liberal news outlets talking about him 24/7.

44:30 That's why when he was unplugged from the Twitter machine, it was great. Yeah. And how like, why Kim Kardashian, the Kardashians are, you know, mega mega millionaires or billionaires, whatever the right is, because their name is, is on everyone's lips from time to time, right? Whether it be from a porn tape or a sex change or whatever it might be.

44:49 Right? Something to keep people talking about them translates into money. In today's con, in today's right, in today's world, bizarro world. And so by everybody talking to me, you know, by everybody talking to name Trump 24 over seven, he's able to capitalize that all the way to the white House. And that's crazy. That's crazy that that's the credential that is the right the hurdle.

45:13 Yeah. Like that's the barrier. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so now we have like you need a celebrity status almost or $1 billion behind you to, to be in the race. And that's going to automatically exclude almost every good candidate. Trump had multiple billionaires behind him. There you go. So the last the last election was a multi-billion dollar affair.

45:37 Yeah. And I mean, really $2 billion per election. That's just, you know, you could probably run in the background and make it easier for man. Like you're just absurd, ludicrous. But for like the working guy Trump, I, I would love to try to craft that out of you, Chris. Let's let's do that. You know, I would I would like if we were being serious about this.

46:02 Obviously it's just a joke. So to go along with it. Right. I would I would have to take like this idea of 100% for the people by the people candidate. Oh. Totally popular. No, no corporate dollars across the board. I'm not bought out by anybody. Right. Right. And first candidate to try to break the Republican. Democratic. You know, Democrats in the Republican two gang party system that's both funded by big crimps and that's that's both funded by big business.

46:33 Right? Let's not forget that. And hammer that, hammer that, hammer that. Right. So saying look, everybody, you've been given the illusion of choice your entire life. And every time you've went to vote for the for the presidency, you've always been dealt a bad hand right out of the gate. You've been given an illusion of choice. You have one candidate that's that's bought by big business versus another candidate bought by big business.

46:55 And they're often bought by the same businesses. And what's happened is we've seen nothing, but the rich get richer and the trickle down never trickling down. People not even getting the scraps from the table. And the common person is not even close to getting their proportional share. Right, right. It's like you might not you might not notice it, but look at this footage and show how the wealthy live, right?

47:19 Really live. And couple that with, you know, the various promises throughout the years. A chicken in every pore, you know, and, get the get the term down economics from rigging camera the term kleptocracy. Because kleptocracy is a government that's run by the wealthy for the wealthy. Right. And showcase how our current system is is 100% ecliptic. I mean, name the names, show the chains, show the money.

47:48 Right. And just nonstop hammer that that's your presidency and be like, this is everything that we're going to change. And then you have to run with an army of people that you're going to try to put in every echelon of every level of government, everywhere. Right. People that are part of this new party. Yeah, you have to have you have to have this spring out basically fully formed.

48:10 You have to have the everyone walk on the road. So we're gonna walk on the road because they're being nice and not hitting us, so. So we can see what's about to hit us. Exactly.

48:26 Nice. Yeah. So this third party that would have to be able to come on the scene, right? Would, like you said, would have to kind of spring up organically, really rapidly and get the people support really fast and standing up people. So it's like a counterpoint to the two party system that exists. Legitimate counterpoint, not just some friends that gets less than of what percentage of the of the vote.

48:49 Right? Right. So you could do it. You could start it from the top and just say, run somebody for president. Right. Yeah. But and then build the party on that to have some really good plans. And you have to have people ready to jump in and take those roles. You know, you couldn't take the cerebral route. Like you couldn't say no.

49:12 I mean, you could have some of it, but you can't just be like, this is my logical plan for, you know, you have to speak to the emotional state of people. Right. Well, yeah, we've it's been proven emotional. Pills definitely work. I mean, that's why Trump got elected in connection to nature. Right. So like, you have to have emotional appeal that's connected to people's everyday struggle and puppies and connecting puppies.

49:34 Puppies. Yeah. Puppies and kittens. You know, to really go against that, that system, you have to play the game better than anyone's ever played it. You know, you have to talk about purple mountain Majesty. Sea to shining sea, you know, type thing, right? Tying nature and emotion into a new paradigm. Going forward, you probably have to introduce the collective public, but those are actually the words who are, you know, national anthem first.

50:01 So you say, hey, instead of seeing it, just just talk it out. Yeah, exactly. Well, that guy's a great fucking author. Yeah, it's like such a thing. Yeah, I literally just read the fucking national anthem at the point. Yeah. Spoken word. Yeah. And that kind of shit is what you need to work, right? Like, so. So you saying, you know, we're really going to take a look at, you know, equal rights for everybody.

50:27 You know, look at the homosexuality phenomenon from a scientific perspective and understand it fully and then have the laws, you know, mesh up with, with physical reality. Right. That's the fucking fail. You got to get up there and say, love is love. Yeah. You know, you got my vote, right? Remember we were talking about tautology club. It is what it is.

50:47 Love is love. Yeah. You know what it is. But let's see. That's what resonates with people. That's what resonates with people. This idea of like because it's so far and moronic. It's just like it's like the easy way to like, no, there's a reason why it is what it is. Yeah, there's a fucking reason behind it. And guess what?

51:03 We could probably change it and we can fix it. So like the the rational candidate that really hone in on issues and has really concrete plans that are complex and very beautifully thought out and brilliant, is losing every time to the candidate that's like, love is love. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Or to the candidates, like nine over 11 was bad.

51:23 Yeah. You know. Right. Jesus. Jesus. Right? Right, y'all. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. There you go. So, like, all of a sudden, people are pulling the lever for you, and you haven't even said anything, right? And literally, like, your real agenda is that when I get in there, I'm just going to funnel more money to the wealthy, my wealthy friends.

51:42 It's like, you know what I like, yo, I like but Latin Jesus might work. Probably might work, you know? And that's the thing, is that you get into the emotional side of something to be that persuasive. Oh, we to Jesus, that could be the platform right there. Well, you can just say we you have to brand weed in another way.

52:04 True. You have to instead of saying like, you know, people should have the freedom to smoke what they want to smoke, drink. If they want to drink something like that instead of go in that area. Right. You have to say people, people should have, should have more rights to self-medicate themselves. Right. Yeah. There should be more options for people to that are hurting to find remedy that.

52:22 They're not getting through the traditional medical system. I feel like one thing you have to do, I think now you got it right. You have to take that approach. I feel like you have to alternate between your approaches. That is really cool. Pretty hard. Yeah. Oscillate back and forth between emotional epithets and nature references to nature. That, and I think you also have to change your style periodically.

52:43 Like have a rally. Rally where you speak like you just spoke, but also have a rally where you dumb it down. Yeah. Study all the little things, like open palm mannerisms and the way you carry yourself and like, be a student of all this, like, spokesman Chip and punch it, right? Yeah. Like, master all the psychological keys, almost like here.

53:07 All right, we're back. Sorry for that distraction. Yeah, right. So, I really think that, you know, that that's not only needed necessary, but, by gosh, long overdue in this country. Yeah. You know, and actually, third option for for people to start to have they have an intimate third. Right. And the way the political system works in so many countries is, hey, not just one party gets elected, but I'm a large of people in different positions get elected, and they have to figure out how to work together, like 20% of this party, 30% of this party.

53:43 I mean, if for a real man, I know for a fact that I voted third party many, many times, like I have a long history of voting third party because I really believe in it. Like back in the day I voted for Nader. You know, I was like big Ross Perot. I thought he was cool. Do you even know who that name is?

53:59 Yeah, but but, you know, just just people coming in with different ideas, you know, because more of the same is not the right answer. Yeah. You know, more more to the same. To my mind, more of the same is not the right answer. And so one way to like, prevent on the side or prevent us from self eradicating ourselves is to like start to introduce different ideas into the, into the fold.

54:19 So seek the different give the different a platform to flourish and explore itself. Absolutely. And someone rising up that's not just for the money to interest someone, for the human interest, you know, would be fucking incredible, you know? Yeah. And how do you keep from getting greedy, though? You don't you can't. Right. You have to have someone that has a history of it legitimate.

54:42 But there's someone that's like, yeah, you know, it's got to be someone who dares to have people keep them in check. And that's so rare, especially when you reach the upper echelons of society. You're, you know, you don't have people following you around and saying you are but a man. Sure. Yeah. I'm sure you can get seduced to some extent by the power and the, you know, everything.

55:03 If you were to reach some kind of high level like that. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, look who we look who we who we've gotten for cycle after cycle. It's just it it's. Yeah. Damn right. Because we're not really what people that want the power rather than the people who deserve it. And maybe there's an underlying psychology of let's let's let it self-destruct, you know, because it's I'm feeling the pain so much and it sucks so bad.

55:27 And I know relatives. I have no chance. Right? So fuck it. Let's just put somebody in there that's going to burn it down. And and I really do feel like that's what the populist movement has been for the last decade. So what I'm saying is, like, we need not only new leadership, we need a change of psychology. We need change in culture to where it's like significant, where people really start getting behind it and change revolutionizes their lives as well.

55:52 So like, people see this movement and they're like, I want to be part of that because I want to be better myself, you know? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, cool. Thanks, Sam.