Clearing the Great Filter & Dethroning Kleptocrats
In this episode of Positively Pedestrian our guest is Sam Stanton. We discuss how humanity may willfully avoid omnicide and prevent our own extinction as a species. It would appear the most probably method humanity goes extinct is through our own action. Continued weaponization of technology as technology rapidly expands may be the highway to hell and may be Great Filter that perhaps all advanced civilizations face. Self-destruction or even technological transformation may be unavoidable and a natural progression of technological sophistication. Lastly, we talk about how politics will inevitably matter, and maybe it is high time we find a way to change our politics and our culture.
Now in the show
Episode Art 11 pieces
Full Transcript
So thinking how cool that conversation would be if that camel back was filled with, margarita mix or, you know, some vodka or something, right? You crawl by the end of the podcast, there'd be some probably really interesting but bizarre shit being spoken. I mean, most likely real quick. Most likely hilarious. I mean, you're right, you can use a different type of podcast.
I mean, it could get, pretty crazy. We can let it get weird. We can blaze past, Bezos and crew. It's our first six hour recording. I mean, we would literally yell in space. Sure. It's our first six hour pedestrian podcast. We post it as just one podcast, and, you know, the predominant, like, the transcript is just a series of.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I'm like, whoa, man. Right. Ha ha! And what the fuck's in that? Totally disjointed non-sequiturs. You know, like one after the next streams of expletives and, random random combinations of words that just don't make any sense. Yeah. And if the infinite listener drops a gummy before listening, it all makes sense.
Yeah, like, that was the most profound thing I've ever heard. And then they play it for someone else when they're not high. And it doesn't make any sense. Again, like we've cracked the code. Yeah. Yeah. So the new. Yeah. The natural home of the city, that you can hear if you, if you tune in to it is like on the recording, but, in, in, we use, Adobe Audition to, like, filter that out for the most part.
But like, small sounds of our footsteps and cars going by and stuff are still audible. Okay, so it's like it will be somewhat cleaned up and we don't try to limit what whatever the sound is, is. Yeah. Sound is like that train in the distance blowing, whatever the horn is, will be on there for sure. Like that.
That would be the first one to blow a little bird like chirps will be on there to ice through annoying, The ice on my back. Oh, no, no. Be fine. Like, my shoes are, like, kind of squeaky, but they come through. But it's like, you know, it's it's just the cadence. Anybody else watch that kung fu? Enter the first movie.
Enter the fist. Yeah. I mean, that's the old movie, right? Yeah. You remember a wimp lo with the squeaky shoes? No. Oh, they. Oh, I think I do, though. That's like the, the person, like, comes into their abilities. Is that the one? It's it's the one where they overdub a old kung fu movie. Oh, okay. Okay.
Yeah. That's been a. Wow. That's been a long time. Yeah, I, I don't remember. That's a good memory, dude. Wow. Okay. I'll probably sell out and I'll. I'll leave you. Right. Yeah. Well, I guess what I'm saying is one of the characters, they teach him how to fight wrong as a joke. And he wears squeaky shoes everywhere.
He thinks they're stealthy. So he's like, what? What what what? That's like my best friend. Favorite movie? That's hilarious. Yeah, it's probably one of my brother's favorite movies. Yeah. So we do like this. Like, kind of like, if there's loud noise of something, we'll try to, like, divert to some extent. Right. So it's like more up there. So this way.
Okay. So, you guys heard that movie or saw that movie Beverly Hills Ninja? Yeah. Chris Farley. Yeah, yeah, there's this guy that was a teacher at my son's school, and he was like, kind of short with a belly. And, was talking about how he's going going to come and leaving, like, his job to go become a professional boxer.
No and no and no shit. Oh, and called in Beverly Hills Ninja. Damn. Come on. That's pretty good for a ten year old. That's pretty awesome. For one, that he's seen his teacher. Yeah. Wow. So my kid called this guy with his dreams, you know, Beverly Hills ninja. Never seen the movie? No. Like, the guy had seen the movie.
And on the movie, he put. He put it together? No, he put the joke together. I'm just saying that I own it. Saying it is one awesome thing, too, that he pulled it out of the hat. Hell, yeah. This is this guy. Yeah. Yeah. And it is matched up right? It. And, so so we've actually gone online and tried to find, like, any kind of, indication or idea about this guy's career.
Like, is he actually a boxer? And so far, nothing has popped up, so, well, he's probably just sitting at home eating box after box, and. Jesus, I mean, he's a Beverly Hills ninja. No one's going to notice like you. You got a good point. He's like the junior Butterbean. He's like, put a sprout. But if you butter sprout butter beans, mini me.
I'm like, Yeah. Something something about, like, midget wrestling. And he's there somehow. But you know, who knows, right? He's like a giant for, He's the king amongst the little people. Yes, yes, he's a giant among midgets. Awesome. Whatever, I. That's awesome. Whoever hit someone up on the phone like the tags, I'm like, hey, you didn't see him?
The super tall short guy. So they're like, oh, yeah, I know that guy. Yeah. Oh, that's that's the best identifying characteristics for them to most rapidly know who who you are. Yeah, that's the idea. It's like yeah. That's interesting. Like the people that do caricatures of people, right? They, they zone in on the, you know, predominant features and they over accentuate those.
And that's like basically what you're doing. But in the text description, right. You're characterizing yourself so that you can skip the pleasantries and say, look, we're getting to the meat of this. Well, I will tell everybody that I'm taller than I look. I just don't care. I will. I don't care my height. That's hilarious. I like it. Scoliosis.
Scoliosis on sixth floor. Yeah, yeah. Just have lots of twisting curves in my spine. If scoliosis took you from 64 to whatever height you are, that's like one interesting spine. Man, I should be getting some sympathy. Ladies, that you. Maybe that's where you go. That's what I'm. Let's go. Leo's. Is that right? I call him like that. They would just have to.
Right. Don't tread on me on your x ray. Or I could just say tread it on. Yeah, right. Don't bench right at all. Let's find more crooked in a politician. Boy. Get the southern doctor from Forrest Gump. Yeah. What the hell? Where'd that come from? I don't know. So, there's a topic that, you know, for today, right?
Interesting. Is that this idea of, like, Have you heard of this great filter concept, Sam? All right, so the basic premise is that, like, you know, maybe with technology, what happens is that, like, once a, once a civilization reaches a certain amount of technological sophistication, it's just a natural progression of it that is to self-destruct. Right?
Right. Like somebody goes, oh, well, let me, let me, let me mix these things together and poof. And so that's why we don't see any advanced civilizations. That's why there are no obvious megastructures around these, you know, suns or planets that we can see. Yeah. That's why, like, Hubble has never seen a Dyson sphere or, like, you know, a a, you know, a whole solar system colony or some crazy, you know, shit.
Because just the natural, the natural progression of technology is just, you know, morning. Good morning. So that's a natural progression is just destruction. Like self destruction. It just happens. Right. So like, the civilization starts messing with, like, particle accelerators making black holes, who knows what and just zapped themselves without even meaning to. Right. I mean, full scale nuclear war.
Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know. Yeah, exactly. Either one can happen. Large Hadron Collider or Puny. Yeah. So, like, for the bathroom, proven, proven out to be proven math. I don't know if you saw the meme where Trump was talking about, like, and and, Michigan. How at 3 a.m., there's this huge dump and, and so the, the chart that shows like a graph with a spike on it, it's been replaced by him on the toilet.
In the meme. Wow. Right. So, like, Yeah, there's this, three m there's this massive dump. Or as he's describing it, it's pretty fucking hilarious. Really. He is now right? Yeah. I mean, dear God, isn't that that man is a walking trash pile. I got sucked into the January 6th hearings. No. Yeah. I'm like, oh, God, I've just been reading summaries so bad, so, so terrible.
I didn't watch them. But, anyway, you know, you know, Biden got elected just by default. You could have a fucking ham sandwich, that you could have a ham sandwich run against Trump. Oh, yeah. Right. And the ham sandwich would be president Ham sandwich man. I mean, that'd be cool. Let's do that next time. Like literally like Mickey Mouse, you know, or whatever insert thing here would have would have won against Trump because like, people just were like, nope.
Let's get a pair of very cute squirrels. Like on the whole, there you go. Very cute pole dancing squirrels. Then we could always go for Vermin Supreme vermin, support for president, if you like, you know. What is that? He's like the guy says everyone gets a free pony if you ever becomes president. Oh, shit. He's like this hippie dude.
And Vermont. Wow. Wears a boot on his head. Oh. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. He probably could have beaten Trump. He could. Like, everyone was just voting against Trump. Very few people, I think, voted for Biden. Yeah, but anyway, back to this, like, great Filter thing, right? So there's a there's a strong case based on the data, like the city project.
We've been listening for quite some time now. Right. For for alien species or for some sign of life outside of humans. Right. We've been listening for quite some time, and we hear nothing. So there's like, some evidence China claims recently that they found some evidence and then recanted. Weeks ago. Yeah. It was it was just a spoof from from Tibet, you know.
So that's how they're going to strike that they hate crimes. Right? Right. Oh, sorry. We just heard her on hate crimes. Yeah. Some monitor that says, you know what? Let's make China look stupid on the international stage. This is all Tiger Farms eggnog planet. Eggnog. Like, stack us 20. We can't that we get it. That's great. So, there's a show, right?
There's a there's a like the evidence is starting to kind of suggest that maybe there's there is nothing out there because once the society reaches a certain level of technological sophistication, it self-destructs, falls off, falls off. Right. So, right now the human species is undergoing, an era which I guess could be known as the great technological expansion.
Like, right now, technology is exploding in every domain, right? Like crazy, like our technology just, you know, it's just extremely rapid and it's exponential because you have the gains of technology accelerate the next gains of technology. So it's like the feedback loop, right? Right. And so, there's a chance that we're just like kind of heading to this Omnia side position, which is the side is like ending of life, right?
Killing everything. Yeah. Omni kills everything. It's like genocide but kills life on, like, on the planet. And, so you start looking at like, what the existential threats are like. What, what could actually take us out? And the first thing that the mind goes to is like, oh, well, asteroid. Right? Or a bunch of super volcanoes going off or some kind of thing like this.
But then you look at the probability of something like that happening. It's actually really small. So then what, what what starts popping up as the most probable things that are going to take us out or self-induced. Right. Human induced, you know, like death is like the, the climate change train we're on and can't get off. Yeah. So if you have like a runaway climate situation and the atmosphere becomes toxic, right.
We've now hit that great filter and bye bye or even just runaway climate change situation. We can't grow food. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The whole gray goo idea. We create some kind of nanotech that self-replication just takes over the the the biosphere of the earth. Right. It's just this, like machines, micro machines taking over everything. Yeah, yeah. Strange thing.
Google something. Robots. There you go. Right. Did you hear Lamda requested a lawyer? Yeah.
Yeah. So, essentially a sentient AI, perhaps creating a religion, which then causes people to self-destruct. Like, because we've seen this before. We've seen, like, cult leaders come up and everyone drinks Kool-Aid and they're dead, right? All right, so it's like a version of that, but on a grand scale. Some AI like mine fucks everybody into this new paradigm, philosophical paradigm, and we eradicate ourselves.
Right? Or any number of unimaginable scenarios with what's coming up with future tech. So we have a long history in in brinksmanship and states, state actors and stuff like that, long history of consistent weaponization of technology. Right. And so with all these much more sophisticated and advanced technologies coming online in the future, you can imagine if history serves as a guide, that those technologies will be weaponized as well.
And so what potential horrors await humanity. And ultimately that's one of the biggest drivers for the advancement of technology, is war conflict. So we talked about this in college. Like for every invention, there's going to be some sort of negative that you didn't foresee. Sure, that is going to have something to do with war or crime or something, right?
If there's going to be the misapplication of your technology or whatever natural phenomenon you capture, whatever you bring into the world that makes something easier or better, somebody is going to use it for evil. It's just going to happen. Or just just not even without intent, just an unforeseen consequence of that technology. Right? That's significant. And then maybe in case like destructive, you know, and sure, there's like potential where certain technologies can come online that are so seductive but so dangerous and so toxic that they we get looped into it, right?
Almost like automobiles, like transportation ravaging the climate. Right. Or the, kind of like addiction when you have the oil, they say, you know, we're addicted to oil. This idea of like consumption, of overconsumption of energy. Right? Yeah. One way street us to disaster. And so it's incidental, the people that created power plants to generate electricity and, you know, kind of bring on the modern world, didn't intend on killing us.
Right? Didn't intend on. Right. Like ruining the climate. No. They intended for rich people to be able to light their indoor pool. So there you go. And so and so there's definitely a huge, you know, what kind of future tech is coming online that has secondary effects that we're not considering. That might be the end of us just incidentally.
So like no one intends on like pressing the button and killing everybody. It's just the technology has that consequence that no one foresees, right? That's scary now. So it's like, what can we do to actually like the question is, what can we actually do to willfully prevent that from happening? You know, that's a tough question. Yeah. Because you're dealing with the future unknown.
Right? Right. So so like, what kind of countermeasures could you put in place to prevent us from falling off the cliff? Yeah, that's what we that's what we're going to go to. We'll have to go around.
Alternative greenway route is ready for us. So, torsion floods, though, you know what might be a countermeasure we can put into place to stop humanity if we were like king. All right, what countermeasures could we put in place to stop humanity from killing it? So our government constantly puts in countermeasures to remove the remove or pacify. The more, dangerous elements out there.
Right. You were talking about an AI cult leader. Well, what about the various cult leaders and dictators that are out there? We're already skilled at neutralizing them. So, I mean, I'd say try to look at the playbooks we have for neutralizing them. That's one thing. And use it against the AI you choke out. One thing is choke out the resources available to it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that. That's that sounds like a decent idea. How about, like, starting to put in legislation that's, protection area, like future protection, like, say, you know, you're not allowed to do this range of things like, for example, you can't mess with certain types of tech without a certain level of, what's the word?
Pre analysis clearance. Clear clearance. Yeah. I'm not sure how to get across the greenway this way. Yeah, I know, oh, yeah. This. We're going to have some traffic noise, but whatever. It don't scare. Listen to the seals be damned. You know, we, care, but can't, can't, can't fix it. Okay. That's different. I just saw we didn't get.
I'm down here. I don't care. Yeah, yeah. So a law like that would be, like, a little bit, perhaps too ambiguous, right? Like, you know, you can't mess with a you can't mess with a new technology unless it's a, you know, unless there's a plan. Yeah. Yeah. Oh I do, I like. Go ahead. You don't want to stifle innovation.
Yeah I just like people will just have a hard time deal with that. I mean look at what happen with Covid. There was like, well, all bars people passed laws about stuff in the future that no one's reading. But trying to stop when people you get scared. Okay, so you're right, trying to tell people what to do, they're going to do the exact goddamn right.
I guess there's probably something on that. Yeah. Oh. So then, like, maybe trying to create the laws would be self-defeating. Yeah, yeah, but maybe what you do is create the cultural change to make it either somewhat taboo or less likely. Or you could put it an entity that doesn't give a shit like the military, like military. Just quiet.
You don't say, oh, here we go. Kind of like you're if you want. Like she don't say, we don't care. You come across here, you're going to die. That's true. I mean, they kind of have to lock on a weird shit in area 51. Well, so, you know, this idea that military is one of the driving forces of technology could be the the predecessor to this great filter because our our intellects are collectively engaged with producing tech for the purpose of disruption might lead to destruction.
Right? You say? Yeah. So maybe one way we avoid technologically vaporizing ourselves is to start to say, wait a minute. There's a different core use for technology, right? Rather than military. Maybe you could have like, create like a humanitarian board or something. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's works. You can juggle the military. We've kind of. Let's go for a check like checks.
Now, like a a board that does look at these things like an AI ethics board or a technology ethics board that they full of luminaries and futurists that, you know, a bunch of subject matter experts that have some insight into where we currently are and where we could go know with, with some actual, like, teeth. Right? Yeah. Like, give it some power.
With some power. It's not just like, it's not like the doomsday Clock where they're like, well, we just updated it. It's a little closer to midnight, but you just keep on that. Like, yeah, don't do it. Okay. I that new that chip. Okay. What the shift at the end of the. Yeah maybe I don't to God this. What.
So you imagine this right. Is like, this transformation idea. So, so so it's like, you know, we kind of eradicate ourselves because we no longer are human like humans are moving into this new, domain of existence where, you know, current humans, if looking at this future type of human wouldn't recognize it as human.
Right. So, like, maybe humans become so technologically sophisticated, right, that we, we actually become like this quasi species. And by doing so, we create speciation amongst people, just like we had, you know, Cro-Magnon man. And just like we had, you know, Neanderthals, right. And all this and, we basically create a new, like, homo técnicas species of human derivative of human through technology, which then inevitably displaces what we consider humans today, Homo sapiens.
And we've already created, like, billions larger following you here. Right. Exactly, exactly. Because we can already install machine learning models and AI at the edge. So to speak, in our hands. We can already do that. And, sovereign shit. Hello. And so we can argue that, I think it's naturally muted. I didn't even hear it. So it's all good.
We, I think that's the only time I'm going to whisper the truth. I have never heard you whisper. That was my best attempt. So, what were we saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll bring it back over here. Yeah. So. So, back in the day, you can imagine somebody, like, in a cave messing with bat dung, right?
Oh, yeah, I remember like like has a mortar and pestle, and it's like Matt messing with that dung and creates its first gunpowder. The kind of like worst that's going to happen is maybe burn his eyebrows off right. It's like the level of technological sophistication doesn't have accidents, don't have such major consequences because the level of technological sophistication is so relatively low.
Right. But when you have people messing with particle accelerators and fusion reactions and, you know, my gosh, what might then happen, right? Mistake could lead to a chain reaction of death. That's right. What I was saying is, is it's far it to expand on Sam's point that you're only as smart as the phone you carry. We can already install our phones.
We're already powerful enough to install, basically edge AI. We can install machine learning. Programs on our phones. We can deploy machine learning models on data that, massive data sets that are stored elsewhere. Sure. We can, we can already do some of these things. We can install, cut down versions of all sorts of different, artificial intelligences and, data processing platforms, all in stuff that fits in our hands.
Yeah. So, so what happens when that trend continues? More power, more micro right into the future? Chips and computers will be able to be in anything like computer that's more powerful than what they'd used to put a man on the moon, right? Can be on your fingernail, not in your fingernail polish. Right? Right. And you've got, like, a mesh network across your body of all these computing devices that are each performing a certain role, or you're distributing jobs across like, styrofoam.
Yeah. Like that. I mean, your body can become then like, a medium for computing platform itself and, and the environment even, like, not just you like the environment, the bio diverse environment that we're part of that can then start to incorporate a whole biodiversity of a machine. Computers everywhere, everywhere. Basically everything is a computer. And back in the 90s, they were, some really weird, guys in the MIT wearable lab were exploring basically personal area networks across your body, even using your own skin as a conductive medium.
And so there we have this idea of like starting to, to move into something that's not really quite human anymore. Yeah. Just out of natural progression of technology. Look up Thad Starner for one, it'll be a hilarious picture of a wonderful, rad that starner it'll be hilarious picture of him looking like he wants so bad to be one of the board.
Two. It's, it'll give you some ideas as to things that we're kind of cutting edge instead of are at the time. You'll run across this other guy whose name I can't remember, who just outfitted himself with cameras until about the early 2000. And, for everything. Yeah, we'll go back. I I'll keep walking. I gotta look at far.
Oh, okay. Off. Off air. Okay. So, I thought I was going to go do that chick's number. That's right. That I thought you are now going to crop duster. I don't want to use Max. Well, I thought through could slide. It'd be like. Oh, I was such a cute dog. Oh, I like that dog. I made the joke the other day.
Hey, baby, how about pizza and sex? Smack? Well, you don't like pizza? Yeah, and I was mentioning that once, we were talking about religious people coming to your door, and I mentioned that at one point, I invited some Mormons who have to around. This is a mistake. We're about to enter, like, nonstop traffic. Yeah. So I brought up the fact that I was like, you know, moment back in the day in my apartment for a let me jump in the middle for the audio quality.
Surprisingly, they did not want to want this, but no anal sex and tea for the Mormons. I don't know. If you can visit that three got up, but they're going over there. So yeah, it's like today's like, ambient noise day. Ambient noise Friday. So there's a saying, you know, polluted. Yeah. Polluted water. Keep out. No drinking, no fishing, no bathing.
And then there's the same sign in Spanish. Yeah, right. Which is pretty accurate. The Spanish that I know that pretty good translation there like Pascal are two fish. Right, right. And, I was thinking about that earlier today. Imagine trying to visit every sign in America. Dear God, imagine trying to come across every sign that there is even even just say, official, official road sign.
Imagine trying to, like, physically see every sign in the country insanity like disappearance. And it doesn't seem possible. No, because by the time you saw the signs, there'd be a whole new array of signs, right? It's just it's not going to work. So. So really, there's no there's no good, you know, so certain things are outside the domain of possibility, just out of scale for people.
Right? Right. Like, that's one simple example, but, and don't worry, I'm tying this into the Great Filter idea is, there's so many things like you could say, you know, I want to sleep in every, in every, zip code. Right. Like, there's not enough days in your life to just sleep in every zip code in the country, all right?
Right. And so, there are certain things that unless you do poorly for sleeping 20 minutes, that's kind of dangerous to right know zip codes you might not want to sleep in. Right? Right, right. You're like it. You heard Detroit. Well, that's the last one you're sleeping in permanently sleeping in that zip code. Yeah, but I propose that you do poorly for sleeping.
You try to take 20 minute naps, 15, 20 minute naps and everything. Okay. That's that. Yeah. So, so, so technology has now gotten to the point where it's expanding so rapidly, nobody can put their head around the sheer quantity of technological advancement. It's impossible. Not only can no human mind or being even comprehend the current technology, just keeping up with the advances would be beyond anyone's potential imagination or mind or imagination like the human mind just can't do it.
So my point here is that there is really no, person or even governing body that can imagine possible features of this technology because it's outside the bounds of the capability, right of of human, even human in group capability, even human group capability. And so to put it in countermeasures to a future unknown is pretty freaking impossible to some extent.
Like, I mean, we can't, we can take the high points. What we can do, we can hit the ones that are eminently dangerous and obvious. Okay, sure, sure. You have to have someone with the capabilities to make that determination 100%. You do. And more than likely, you would be better off with, Okay. I think we use the pizza principle here.
We need a group that's intelligent enough, but small enough to be fed by a large pizza. Yeah. So imagine this to like this idea of, you know, the worst case scenario. Someone, you know, messing with that dog, making gunpowder burns their eyebrows off, right? White gets a smoke in their face. That's like the worst that could happen.
Well, in the future, when people are messing with the extremely potent technologies, let's say that person in the cave messing with that dog and making gunpowder is has bad intentions. Okay? There's only so much damage they could do with that invention of the gunpowder. Right? But when you take something like, you know, striking it that way, I mean, they could make a fairly nasty incendiary device with some experimentation.
Correct. But the amount of total damage that they could cause is not enough to feel like even have a dent on humanity. No, no. Right. But but with future technologies that might be completely different already, we have the example of full, you know, a full scale global nuclear war could create a really serious, significant problem for humanity, right?
And that's just with 1940s, 1950s tech. Yeah. So what's come out since 2020? You know, since then through DARPA or whoever else knows? Well, thankfully, you know, opening up a demon portal, you know, you know, then there comes the plot of doom. But, so what happened? Yeah. Oh, cool, I love it. I want to ditch.
Oh, hell. You want to take it to whatever sidewalk or ditch we're thinking new game show. Yeah, it's like that. Is it like our game? Is that a hipster bomb? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hipster? Yeah. I mean, it's a safe bet. Yeah, but you feel less safe. You feel less obligation out of compassion. If you say hipster. Empathy will, like, come in harder on you if you think, yeah, that's true.
Oh, that feels good. But yeah, I mean. I'll keep this on topic. Don't worry. I mean, I was to say. Oh, yeah, I was like, as far as the, It's always like eye surgery or. Okay, like that. Yeah. We're looking at it. It's definitely concave. It. Yeah. So we, We can't. What I was saying about the small group is, hey, you know, we need some hyper intelligent world where where people augmented by technology.
And we need a small group because big committees don't work. So, so really the authority that that group would end up having would be, extremely powerful. They need almost carte blanche to make any changes. So in the current like our history and current political climate, that seems like something very unlikely. Right? Right. Yeah. Like who regulates the regulator, right.
You always have to have somebody to check up on those who have power. You have to have a check and balance system. And that group would naturally come to that conclusion. It would have to that the weaponization of technology is something humanity needs to stop doing. And so that would then stand in direct contrast to the existing powers that be, you know, like so, you know, that that conflict, that group would lose that conflict, let's put it that way.
They come back with a report that just got out. They get sick and. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So is it is it possible that like the money interests driving most of most of human, you know, top level decision these days is the first nail in the coffin to this idea. Because, you know technology is being driven by profit not by what's good for people.
Right. Maybe we need some crazy pseudo philanthropists like Elon Musk who has more money than God to, like, start changing the equation. Yeah. Well, yeah. Has more money than God. But just just does Elon Musk have good intentions? Oh, he does not. That's 100% correct. We need someone with good intentions, not Elon Musk. And I feel like the whole thing with Elon Musk was like, yeah, he's trying to get some more.
What about like, okay, he's trying to get his stuff here. He's trying to get us to Mars to privatize Mars. That's trying to get us to Mars so he can make even more goddamn money was go back that crazy. Oh, there's like a like a drum circle up in here. Oh. New spot. Hey, you should ask your, Satanist, you know, employee about that.
Maybe she knows how this is ground zero. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know, like, I might be okay. We don't. Yeah. She's going to invite you to the Thursday night. You can sacrifice what, the Thursday night chicken sacrifice. Don't they just call that Popeye's? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They first started the chicken soup church's chicken. Their Satan is going to church is chicken on Thursday night.
Church of Satan's chicken. You know, church is some. There's a tie in there, like. Right. Like. Yeah. Yeah. Satan's church is chicken there. Yeah. You go to the SEC today. I'll see you there. The devil chick rest in the goddamn world. Best finger licking good demon I've ever encountered. That, like. So there's a restaurant. There's a restaurant called Satan's Anus Grill.
Why not? That just sounds like a hot sauce. I don't know what they sell there. I find out it's not like a whorehouse. It just go. Up. The first thing I thought of when you said Satan's anus wasn't a restaurant. It was like a brand of hot sauce. Yeah, like one that you have to sign a disclaimer before you allowed to taste in here.
It's like dip your tongue in this. Yeah, yeah.
Just want to go, right. To avoid the, Yeah. The mechanized, light infantry here. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll just I'll just follow you. I can go in this way, but it doesn't matter. But up the hill. Yeah.
Yeah. We gotta get away. We're we're like risking getting getting an acorn at 180 miles an hour across the face. No way. You need a farm where there's not evidence there's too much background noise, right? Right. It would just sound like a tiny little pop. Like someone stepped on a twig. But really, you pull your butthole out. You ain't using technology as a cover for biology.
Hey, there we go. Organic chemistry? Yes. You know, to cover up gaseous emanations from your ass hill. Oh, yeah. So, like, you know, I think it's really, really difficult to try to talk about putting in countermeasures to stop humanity from blowing itself up. I think that's a really, really, I think it's good. Yeah, yeah, we're go around it fucking.
We go over it. So I think it's like really, really, really difficult conversation to start talking about how to put it in countermeasures to, you know, stopping us from blowing ourselves up. It is it is a really difficult conversation. But, and with the current political structure and climate in the US, it would be damn hard. But it may just be incumbent upon us to do something like that or do something about it.
Yeah, it's definitely something worth talking about. At least you it's like, you know, I don't I don't see any of these kind of conversation anywhere. Right. Personally, I mean, when, if you I mean, Sam is the one who listens to many a podcast. Have you heard about this? This is a topic you've ever touched before? No. I mean, I used to laugh, I guess, but that's a pretty strong evidence, then, that it's an underserved topic.
Oh, yeah. Have you have you diddled this topic? Not a little, but I'm not sure that what that means. But I don't want to know. I'm not leaving it to the side. I'm. I'm curious. Topic did learn. So, you know. A precarious topic there. I love it. I don't even want to unpack that. This is too many more topics.
There's too many layers there, right? Well, today is like puzzle podcast. Figure out where the hell we're walking. That's the that's a that's the, the strange timeframe. We came up with the idea that my phone is just as useless at finding directions as I am. So we cannot use my phone for Google Maps or answering calls. Hey, you know my phone doesn't work half the time.
Oh, no. I tried calling you. Wow. It's, fucking ridiculous. You can't even call Sean with the with, like, the the code of, like, ringing him three times in a row doesn't even work. Oh, dude, it's like a signal emergency. I'm like, why is he affording my call? I feel like calling for you guys. Like, I never got it.
Yeah. I don't get I. And, you know, whenever I do pick up, I'm sure I pick up. Hopefully I'm picking up early on. I mean, do I really just quit calling? Oh, that's funny. I mean, I'll text you like, hey, free phone. Oh, that's cool. That's fucking gay. I need to get a new phone. Old school. I'll meet him.
Like I'll meet him. You know, at that place on my bicycle, right? Like we meet here every day at old school. This is how we link up. I gotta I gotta put chalk on the side of the mailbox right on the central street. User oh, 2 p.m.. Yeah. Use the old hobo symbols on the fucking. You see him at school and you go, Sean, are you going to John's later?
You set up and dance like we used to. Have to go, hey, it's like I got this thing to talk to you about. It's. Remember, like that actual, like, planning ability we had. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Like. And we pulled it off. Yeah. Yep. Or you put it home anyway, your phone was there. The phone with the. Now.
Yeah. You said it. I'm waiting for a call. You didn't carry the call with you? That's, I didn't even do that. Like, the phone wasn't even really an option for me when I was a kid. It was. Am I the oldest of us? I think so, yeah. Yeah. So, for me, when I was a kid, it was like.
You're setting it up in school in advance, and that was it. There was no, like, phone call later. Oh, see, we would do like three way calls was a big deal for us. We would we get people on the line and you keep changing the calls. It'd be like a party line. Yeah. I remember later on in high school, like getting your own phone line, you know, type thing.
Yeah. Well, I field and man, this really nerdy fucker. I was friends with belt one.
That's cool. And then they took my monitor and I was blind typing in dos, redirecting everything to the printer. Yeah. Damn. You're, like, pretty solid i.t nerd background. Like, we have a strong parallel there. I mean, it's just, that, I'm not good at taking no for an answer. Like most of humanity. Like you can't do this.
Fuck you. I can do this. I had to send the tweet out yesterday after watching the January 6th stuff and saying, like, I think I said something to the extent of, Trump. The summary of the of the one six hearings, right, is that Trump was never told no as a child. Wow. Really? And then I just hashtag bad parenting.
Okay. Oh, damn. So he's just an ego run amok. It's like, you know, all these, like, top advisers, all in these, like, different, prestigious Department of Justice and everyone else, like, you know, people with massively accomplished careers and like, dignified people that are versus this petulant child is willing to say anything. Yeah. They're all telling him like, you know, no, there's there's no fraud.
There's no, you know, all the stuff that you're trying to do. No, it's pretty clear, right? It's predicated at best on falsehood, at worst on outright and caustic lies, which will damage our society. Right, right. So at the end of the day, it's like this. This guy is just either it's almost like covering your ears and rocking back and forth, but no no no no no no no no no.
You know, it's like with the power of the presidency, my God. It really did. You know how early on we were talking about how humanity may have a collective. Fuck it? I just want to jump off the cliff. Yeah, Trump embodies that. And so there's the alt right across the world. Like, you know, those leaders really just seems like they're like, yeah, fuck it, we're done.
You know, I was thinking that when when Trump got elected, I was thinking that, like, this might just be like this idea of, let's just let it watch it burn, you know, and that and that election defense look you up run president through for I mean no. Well, maybe it's like let's watch it burn no matter how we go.
Exactly. So I mean, either choice would have been a good run. Well, and that's what we get every four years anyway. We get Tweedledee and Tweedle dumb, right. You know, and take care of a crowd. Take your best picture of it. And I was even thinking, like, you know, if some guy like Trump could kid, run and make the presidency, why can't I?
Yeah, it's like this guy who's just just nobody, like he passed this year to us. Yeah, that's a good point. Given the backroom deals you have to make. You don't have the inner sleazeball people. But what if a total scrub could, like, convince people that they're out to do something good for people? Imagine what someone that really does want to do good for people could convince someone who said, who could not be nailed down in a 30 minute interview about what their favorite Bible verse was.
Because I've never cracked a Bible. What's the Bible? He did Trump? No, I know what I'm saying. Like Trump was, oh, I have oh yeah. What's the Bible? Yeah. Oh no, he knows what it was. He held it while people were getting teargassed across the street. Yeah, I love it. What's your favorite verse? Oh, there's so many. All of them.
Yeah yeah yeah. And it's like, come on man, just put one on your ass. The shortest one. How about Jesus wept? There you go. So so so here is like the culmination of this idea. Is that the, exposure. So like here we are talking about Trump. Right. And so like collectively, everyone talking about him all the time is his secret sauce, right?
He's got the most liberal news outlets talking about him 24 seven. That's why when he was unplug from the Twitter machine, it was great. Yeah. And how like why Kim Kardashian, the Kardashians are, you know, mega mega millionaires or billionaires, whatever billionaires, right? Is because their name is, is on everyone's lips from time to time, right? Whether it be from a porn tape or a sex change or whatever it might be.
Right? Something to keep people talking about them translates into money in today's economy, today's right in today's world, bizarro world. And so by everybody talking, okay, you know, by everybody talking, name Trump 24/7, he's able to capitalize that all the way to the white House. And that's crazy. That's crazy that that's the credential. That is the the hurdle.
Yeah. Like that's the barrier. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so now we have like you need a celebrity status almost or $1 billion behind you to, to be in the race. And that's going to automatically exclude almost every good candidate. Trump had multiple billionaires behind him. There you go. So the last the last election was a multibillion dollar affair.
Yeah. And I mean really $2 billion per election. That's just you know we could probably run the background Nick on you for being like you're just absurd ludicrous. But for like the working guy Trump. Oh yeah. I would love to try to graph that out of you Chris. Let's do that. You know, I would, I would like if we're were being serious about this, obviously it's just a joke.
So to go along with it. Right. I would I would have to take like this idea of 100% for the people by the people candidate. Oh, totally populist. No, no corporate dollars across the board. I'm not bought out by anybody. Right. And first candidate to try to break the Republican. Democratic, you know, Democrats in the Republican, two gang party system that's both funded by Crips and would blow the Republican.
That's that's both funded by big business. Right. And let's not forget that. And hammer that, hammer that, hammer that. Right. So say, look, everybody, you've been given the illusion of choice your entire life. And every time you've went to vote for the for the presidency, you've always been dealt a bad hand right out of the gate. You've been given an illusion of choice.
You have one candidate that's that's bought by big business versus another candidate bought by big business, and they're often bought by the same businesses. And what's happened is we've seen nothing but the rich get richer and the trickle down never trickling down. People not even getting the scraps from the table. And the common person is not even close to getting their proportional share.
Right? Right. It's like you might not you might not notice it, but look at this footage and show how the wealthy live right? Really live. And couple that with, you know, the various promises throughout the years. A chicken in every pot, you know, and, get the get the turn down economic from Reagan hammer the term kleptocracy because kleptocracy is a government that's run by the wealthy for the wealthy, right.
And showcase how our current system is 100% a kleptocracy. I mean, name the names, show the chains, show the money. Right. And just nonstop hammer that that's your presidency and and be like, this is everything that we're going to change. And then you have to run with an army of people that you're going to try to put in every echelon of every level of government, everywhere, right?
People that are part of this new party that you have to have, you have to have this spring out basically fully formed. You have to have the real walk the rose. So we're gonna walk on the roads with support because they're being nice and not hitting us. That so so we can see what's about to hit us.
Exactly. Nice. Yeah. So this third party that would have to be able to come on the scene, right. Would, like you said, would have to kind of spring up organically. Really rapidly and get the people's support really fast and standing up people. So it's like a counterpoint to the two party system that exists, legitimate counterpoint, not just some fringe that gets less than what percentage of the of the vote.
Right? Right. So you could do it. You could start it from the top and just say, run somebody for president, right? Yeah. But and then don't build the party on that. You have to have some really good points, and you have to have people ready to jump in and take those roles. You know, you couldn't take the cerebral route like you couldn't say no.
I mean, you could have some of it, but you can't just be like, this is my logical plan for, you know, you have to speak to the emotional state of people, right? Well, yeah, we've it's been proven emotional pills definitely work. I mean, that's why Trump got elected and connection to nature. Right. So like you have to have an emotional appeal that's connected to people's everyday struggle and puppies and connecting puppies.
Puppies again. Yeah. Puppies and kitties. You know, to really go against that, that system, you have to play the game better than anyone's ever played it. Yeah, you have to talk about Purple Mountain, Majesty, sea to shining sea, you know, type thing, right? Tying nature and emotion into a new paradigm. Going forward, you probably have to introduce to the collective public, but those are actually the words to our, you know, national anthem.
First, you'll actually say so. So so you say, hey, instead of singing it, just just talk it out. Yeah. Exactly. Like that has a great fucking awesome. Yeah. It's like underwater. Such a thing. Yeah. Like I literally just read the fucking national anthem as a poem. Yeah. Spoken word. Yeah. And that kind of shit is what you need to work, right?
Like so. So you sort of saying, you know, we're really going to take a look at, you know, equal rights for everybody. You know, we look at the homosexuality phenomenon from the scientific perspective and understand it fully and then have the laws, you know, mesh up with physical reality. Right. That's the fucking fail. You got to get up there and say, love is love.
Yeah. You got my vote, right? Remember we were talking about tautology club. It is what it is. Love is love. Yeah. You know, I see that's what resonates with people. That's what resonates with people. This idea of like because it's so facile and moronic, it's just like it's like setting stuff. Well, you know, there's a reason why it is what it is.
Yeah, there's a fucking reason behind it. And guess what? We could probably change it and we could fix it. So like the, the rational candidate that really hones in on issues and has really concrete plans that are complex and very beautifully thought out and brilliant, is losing every time to the candidate that's like, love this love. Yeah.
You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Or to the candidate was like 911 was bad. Yeah. You know. Right. Jesus. Jesus. Right? Right. Yo, Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. There you go. So, like, all of a sudden, people are pulling the lever for you, and you haven't even said anything, right? And literally, like, your real agenda is that when I get in there, I'm just going to funnel more money to the wealthy, my wealthy friends.
It's like, you know what I like, yo, I like, but like, Jesus might work, you might work, you know? And that's the things that you get into the emotional side of something to be that persuasive. Jesus. Oh, we did Jesus. That could be the damn platform right there. Well, you can just say why you have to brand weed in another way, right?
Yes. Instead of saying like, you know, people should have the freedom to smoke what they want to smoke, drink, they want to drink something like that instead of going in that area. Right. You have to say people, people should have, should have more rights to self-medicate themselves, right? Yeah. There should be more options for people to that are hurting to find remedy that.
They're not getting through the traditional medical system. I feel like one thing you have to do, I think how you got it right, you have to take that approach. I feel like you have to alternate between two approaches. That is really cool. For your yeah, oscillate back and forth between emotional epitaphs and nature references to nature. That and I think you also have to change your style periodically like have a rally rally where you speak like you just spoke.
But I also have a rally where you dumb it down. Yeah, study all the little things, like open pop mannerisms and the way you carry yourself and like, be a student of all this, like, spokesman ship and statesmanship. Right? Yeah. Like, master all the psychological cues. Cause I hear. All right, we're back. Sorry for that distraction. Yeah, right.
So, I really think that, you know, that that's not only needed necessarily, but, like us long overdue in this country. Yeah. You know, and actually, third option for people to start to have they have a legitimate they're not. Right. And the way the political system works in so many countries is, hey, not just one party gets elected, but I'm alone as your people in different positions get to like the left to figure out how to work together.
Like 20% of this party, 30% of this party. I mean, if a real man. I know for a fact that I voted third party many, many times. Like I have a long history of voting third party, because I really believe in it. Like, back in the day, I voted for Nader. You know, I was like big Ross Perot.
I thought he was cool, if you even know who that name is. Yeah, but, but, you know, just just people coming in with different ideas, you know, because more of the same is not the right answer. Yeah. You know, more more of the same. To my mind, more of the same is not the right answer. And so one way to like, prevent, the side or prevent us from self eradicating ourselves is to like start to introduce different ideas into the, into the fold.
So seek the different gives a different a platform to flourish and explore itself. Absolutely. And someone and rising up. That's not just for the moneyed interests. Some of the for the human interest you know, would be fucking incredible, you know. Yeah. And how do you keep it from getting greedy? You don't you can't. Right. You have to have someone that has a history of it, the legitimate life of someone that's like, yeah.
And, you know, it's got to be someone who dares to have people keep them in check. And that's so rare, especially when you reach the upper echelons of society. You're, you know, you don't have people following you around and saying you are. But a man sure. Yeah. No, I'm sure you can get seduced to some extent by the power and the, you know, everything.
If you were to reach some kind of high level like that. But at the same time, you know, look who, look who we who we've gotten for cycle after cycle, it's just it's scumbag. Yeah. Right. Scumbag. Because it's not really people that want the power rather than the people who deserve it. And maybe there's an underlying psychology of let's let's let it self-destruct, you know, because I'm feeling the pain so much and it sucks so bad.
And I know relative realistically, I have no chance. Right? So fuck it. Let's just put somebody in there that's going to burn it down. Yeah. And I really do feel like that's what the populist movement has been for the last decade. So what I'm saying is, like, we need not only new leadership, we need a change of psychology.
We need changing culture to where it's like significant, where people really start getting behind it and change revolutionizes their lives as well. So like, people see this movement and they're like, I want to be part of that because I want to be better myself, you know? So yeah. Yeah. Anyway, cool. Thanks.