Code Switching & Situational Awareness
August 3, 2025 · Kris Tyte & Sean Snodgrass

Code Switching & Situational Awareness

Hosts Kris Tyte and Seansnodgrass are joined by guest Lindsay Nelson in this candid deep-dive on workplace group dynamics, social code-switching, gender-based situational awareness, parenting styles, and how much autonomy children should have. Together they share personal hilarious stories, real-life examples, and thoughtful perspectives about societal problems and how they shape our everyday interactions.

Quotable
“"All these like weird code switching you know. Yeah. Role switch. Like, yeah, you've got to slide into this and act like none of that happened yesterday." ”
— Kris Tyte & Sean Snodgrass
Challenge of compartmentalizing different social roles and pretending workplace hierarchy remains unchanged after witnessing personal dynamics.
Quotable
“"I feel like young girls are made aware that they are not invincible a lot earlier than boys are made aware that they are not invincible." ”
— Lindsay Nelson
Observation about how society strips away feelings of invincibility from girls much earlier than boys, affecting their approach to risk and autonomy.
Quotable
“"In the event something did happen, I could never live with myself. Right. So it's my own selfishness of like restricting my kid and their opportunities." ”
— Kris Tyte
Honest admission about how parental anxiety restricts children's development opportunities, even when statistical risk is low.
Quotable
“"You can actually, with enough emotional intelligence, start to use group dynamics to try to benefit everyone in the group, right?" ”
— Kris Tyte
Central thesis about using social awareness and code-switching abilities as tools for positive social engineering rather than manipulation.

Full Transcript

Because it did. The telling factor is that when I have no glasses on, my eye goes like this, right? I cross it okay? As k eyes and a lazy eye knew is was something I saw. So I had no no those I think these days it is called a me girl or something. Oh my God God, I don't know what you're talking about.

No, but there's this supposedly something life called the devil that is like, internet girl. Like, electronic girl, I guess. Okay. Right. And, apparently it's just like young kawaii, kind of, Hello Kitty. Wears headphones, ears on them. Got it. When you say, like, plays ridiculously like young juvenile, innocent. But then really is like, how not innocent.

The the womb. The womb. Yes. As I'm like now what's the what's that guy's name who pretends? And Vlad. Vladimir. He pretends to be a ooh girl. Oh, wow. And then he's like, what are you talking about? So he gets up and she's like, how are you? Oh, yes, I look like Barbie. Who are you talking to?

It's a Larry to my favorite videos to watch. Okay, so that's the general idea is like, before he turns into this scary man. And that, that's scary Russian torturer type. But apparently it was like this, this cross-eyed pleasure thing. Oh you know that they do. Oh yeah. It's, positively some type of like I don't know.

So when you're the grip of pleasure, you're going to cross your eyes sort of that. Well, yeah. It's it's like, you know, it's like, I mean to get on Omegle, I guess. There we go. Oh, no. You're. Oh. Chatroulette. Yeah. Not a good chance. How much of that should exist still? No, they did that on South Park and like, Carvey's gone through and he's like, you know, has Butters with them or somebody they get to interact with where he's like, you know, guy with his dick out galaxies take out, go take out.

Yeah. Like, oh here's something. Oh guy with the dig out. That's one thing Dan did that I always thought was weird. They Omegle. Yeah. Oh it's hair roulette. You know it's like man is this really that interesting. Like are you didn't you do meet some interesting people on there. But like 90% of the people is the guy with his dick, right?

I did it with him. And, Vanessa one night, it was it was funny, but weird. Yeah, it's very. The penises were very plentiful. Like the full, easier to look up. It. Oh, yeah. Cock carnival. There isn't a platform that I could be on. It wouldn't take me long to not be on, if that's what it stand up is.

By the way, y'all got, like, a legit set up. Almost no more park bench for us, right? Yeah, we're we're camping at a, It was a brewery that was close. Yeah, I hey, I got the job done, so we're going to just add the sound effects in. So it's going to sound like we're walking. Even though gravel crunching underfoot.

You just have garbage trucks following this through the city. Three random dog barking. So we're like we. So we say we're at all these different places, but you hear the same dog barking. It's just add the GTA backtracked you it that's the whole dollar. Oh my god. Yeah that's great. Yeah. And then everything we put out gets copyright violation and it yeah we got kicked outta.

Oh we're not even sure why. Oh yeah that was right. It was completely random. There was no strikes, no anything. We didn't do anything wrong. You're like, you're going to have a few thousand views. Fuck you. That was your is. They seem to be almost like you're growing too rapidly. You're breaking the algorithm. Yeah, yeah. Like people like your content too much.

Much. It's grisly. Like had this massive spike there. Like there's enough white men on YouTube. Guys, we got in. There is plenty of pseudo actuals on here. Why? People there think I know everything. Oh yeah. That goes back to what's hurting our brand. What's the, Yes, we're heavily diluting the YouTube brand, but, what was the, what was our two word elevator pitch?

The idea was your real pseudo watch was. Yes. Jovial, pseudo intellectual was, or pseudo intellectual was the nighttime says or, you know, just a jovial, intellectual ride if we're feeling generous. Okay. Yes. If we're doing delusional, this jovial intellectual is a mere meeting, like, happy, smart. Yeah. Mean some very smart people. So our people is.

Which is we have to call it out because it's so rare. Usually if you're smart, you aren't. You're. I in the lab, glycerol. You're my brother. No, no, he's gate. So we had this funny thing that we came up with the other day is like, you know, there's, like, proximity or, like, dog bark collars. It's like the shocks, the dog, if they too close to the invisible fence or whatever, like, so it's like basically like this collar the dog wears.

We're going to injure everyone. For me, we're going there. Is there one for Sean that's got a, just a simple, you know, 30 cent will, chip on it, right? That just has decibel reading and once it gets over a certain level. So that's why when I go out to eat with Sean, whenever I would go to the Sean, we take him to a loud restaurant.

Yep. Something with a band playing. It's the best idea. It's best idea. I fit in then. Yeah. He's, like so comfortable. For some reason. We went to a quite a diner once and everyone was like, like, you know, it's like every syllable that Maine says reverberates off the rafters. I'm surprised we didn't get. I'm surprised you didn't get more like noise violations in that oak Brook apartment, because we were not like we.

None of us were like, oh, I can do that. Like I can put on if I want to, like a really powerful man voice and I learned it while I was in the military. But this he I like or the kids do some. There I go. Hey. Yeah, a ride until you get there really quick, you know? And, it works here.

It works on animals, it works on. So it works on. Most adults. It's 11 or later. Nice. You know, I had a story about that on that, but. Yeah. So, really, my you know, I could do that too. So I'm thinking it would be a fun social experiment if we go someplace, know, like a Ihop or some shit that doesn't matter that we'll never go to again.

Right? And see if we think. Yeah, let's go to Ihop on Cox Road. I can't find Cox. I love the calling that I have on Cox. I we help you. This isn't a confessional. Well, I used to call it when Desiree worked then so that she would have to say it to me. Oh, pop, I got no, I have no volume drill either.

Like now I do in my elder years. But later, when I was younger, it was I'll see like so it's ongoing my doing Lindsay I'm right here. I'm right next year. Yeah, I appreciate that. And now I get to like, belts it out because I worked at the rent fest in the Mermaid grotto in there, and I get to yell at people in British accent and I've never felt more seen.

That's amazing. No matter how loud, how weird I got, how, like sarcastic I got, the people were like, my coworkers were like, I even though when you told me that that was going to be your job starting, I was like, that's a beautiful job. I mean, who would ever think that they're, you know, issues that they have with with module voice modulation would turn out to sell much.

Enjoy it. As a as a barber at the Renaissance, you never know it was selling. Well. You're you're diving and you're beaver out here left and right. It helps. And what's funny is that one of the guys, he was like, hey, you know, do it from your stomach. You're going to lose your voice on my buddy. I've been I've been preparing my whole fucking life.

And I don't get my imagine, like, if I could do this ten hours a day. Yeah, I could love, see, like, opened up the journal of a ten year old girl. Right. And then there. So someday I will be. I will be working. I will sell the. I will be a pirate. I will be able to hire it.

Right. Or I saw this mermaid. She was so wonderful. This body young. Oh.

Orbison. So we called the shot caller thing that we invented yesterday. We called it the Noise gate 3000. Right? So 3000 sound sophisticated and sounds powerful, right? That and then in the North Dallas, where he's gate is like that thing. We're just clips noise after a certain over a certain decibel. And that really came about because now the we have a background filter that filters out like gravel and like garbage trucks and dogs barking.

That's part of our post process. And it clips my laugh every time I myself. So you hear me hear this really, I'm going to get him one of those eggs that you can put in your house for dogs that, like, just gets out a high pitched noise when they get too loud. It's a little sounds like, yeah, yeah.

Oh he he can hear. Oh you can hear it. Yeah. Well they thought about they were talking about making something that was shock me. And I was like, I would probably just get used to that. He'd be the dog that runs through the. Yeah. So I can't get back in. Yeah. It's not too bad to get back in.

And you have that like stubborn dog that's smart. That just figures out if it keeps going, it stops on the other side. Great wiring. And then the whole tire thing that you trained it, you put it up to the invisible fence. The wire was buried. Then you ship the flag and you did all those little things to train the dog.

Oh, yeah. You know, you told it no. And you use the voice commands. I had this whole training video on how to train the dog. Right. And then you like for a few days, you're like, wow, this is going to change the game. And then you see the dog on the other side of the fence and you're like, oh, pull the whole thing up.

It's ruin now. And the dogs figured out the residue right through the fence won't break back. It's like maybe coming up to go back. So these actually, you know, it burns that just you can then endure that, suffer that little shock and then to to mount the poodle. No, no, it's out of range and it goes. And folks the poodle.

Yeah, yeah. That's right. And it's like somewhere even more exhilarating because of the shark. Yeah. It's like it's like going away into that. Right. It's like new key. Activate. You came back to I didn't know I was into that. Yeah. It's like Red rocket ready to go. Their friends poodle just Tommy all kinds of new stuff. I'm going to go see the beagle down the road now.

So amazingly, there was this two hilarious poodle stories. And, first tell the 1111 stories that I had. Relatives that, their, their my grandma died years and years ago. And, you know, everyone has their own way of coping with death in the family and stuff. But anyway, my three relatives would always notice when the time was like 222 or 1111 or.

Yeah, there's there's, what is that called? The the were repeated didn't so yeah, there's a, there's like a special name for it for always noticing repeat numbers like 222 or 11. Yeah. Well well so they're all over the place. And so you start notice, you start noticing that you're noticing them and you start noticing them. Right. So it's like that whole you realize you're noticing it when you've added some significance to it.

So like you never anything of do before ever. You saw it busy and think twice about it. But now every time you saw it, now that you've added significance to it now, now right, you've seen it like you never see a Camaro on the road, but suddenly Transformers comes out and now you see Camaros everywhere, the literal canary yellow Camaro.

So as you and I were doing that was spoilers.

Like, I'm not kidding. Like, when you talk about, like, how no cars have spoilers now. But then we started since you started seeing them. Yes, exactly. What do you have then? Have spoilers and, you know, part of that is there might be a specific name for it, but part of it is evolutionary advantage. I mean, we if you notice patterns, you're more likely to see a situation coming, react and surmise, oh, every person on the planet sees patterns, right?

Right. But our brains are hard wired to survive by identifying threats through bad. And from what I understand specifically, faces. Yes, see faces everywhere. We have a huge amount of neurons dedicated to that, that being neurodivergent tend to be better at pattern recognition because they have more neurons devoted to pattern recognition than somebody of a neurotypical brain would.

That's neat. I mean, it kind of makes sense if you look through the bushes, you hear rustle in the bushes, and you look in there and, you know, leaves are coming together, a certain pattern. You see a face there and you get you get on guard. That's probably better than saying, oh, I hear to rustle in the bushes, probably nothing, and then get pounced.

Oh, yeah. Is it always better to on the side of a positive affirmation that there's something potentially dangerous? That's right in history, and horror movies get a little shittier over time as you learn the patterns and triggers of movies, because you're able to predict these patterns and how they will go in. Both your boy and the person really didn't get stabbed in the eye.

It's a special effects. And then it's not as gruesome anymore, right? Right. Like like that movie hatchet where 250 people die on screen in four minutes. Oh, like you're a. Yeah. So this 1111 thing is that my, some of my relatives are like, you know. Oh, there it is again. There's 222 that's, you know, mom used to always point out when the, when the clock had the same digits.

Yeah. And I was like, well, you know, you you ever think that doesn't make much sense. Just convert all your clocks to analog in year or and then, you know, I won't ever notice I see and so like here I am in full asshole fashion, like using, you know, rationality and probability and talking to these people about, you know, it's just a coincidental.

You're there's nothing here. You know, I'm like, ruining this, that thing that they have this like, you know, it's it's it's mom from heaven, you know, like she's telling me. She's reminded me she's there. Right. And so it's like this heartfelt, absolutely no innocent, you know, naive thing. And I'm like, you're like, well, let me tell you about these patterns.

Yeah, yeah. Then really it's it's a core human skill. It's it's the reason we were able to develop mathematics. We recognized patterns. We were. That's the reason we dive into art and design, because we recognize patterns in usage. And and it's really it's it's the crux of what you manatee uses to build and create. Oh, no. And I'm I'm guilty of clinging on to those things myself, like all of us, you know, that was buried on 1111.

My tattoo place is at 1111 Central Avenue, and it's there. I said, nice, which one's that? Is? It's heaven sent out there or who's it? It's a halo arts. Okay. There's seven distinct things are 11. And now 7-Eleven has a new club. Has. I mean, this is this this goes on, right? It's endless. So that's also like, right after my dad died, I was sitting on my porch.

I was real upset. I was just like, God, I wish like, I'm so atheist, but if you could give me a fucking sign. Yeah, dude. And a fucking bald eagle flew through my yard, right? A bald eagle in South Carolina. I could have been in there, right? Right. It could have been anything but myself. I've never in my life seen a bald eagle in real life.

True. Not in a zoo environment of some sort. Oh, the only time outside of, like, the lot of Plantation Raptor Center that I've seen. One. Right? Was, is a couple of years back, I showed up to see my grandparents, and my grandfather was like, he was he got in the car because he wanted to see the car I rented.

They upgraded me to this BMW. And so he's looking at all the things he's playing with stuff, and he's like, hey, want to go see a bald eagle? I was like, what? I can see a bald eagle. And so he's like, he's direct. I mean, this man is dementia ridden. There are so many things he cannot do.

And he's like, perfectly guiding me down the road to take the right turns and, you know, and then he's like, okay, the nest is coming up on your right. And he remembers the bald eagle. Yeah, exactly. And so then we sit there for like 5 or 6 minutes just staring at it. He's like, that is pretty neat, isn't.

And then he directed me all the way back to the house because I would have got lost. But now the bald eagle thing has become like a pattern, like 1111 thing now. Because like when I was in new, I'm in New Orleans there I'm talking me and my sister are on like a swamp cruise, going to see alligators and stuff.

And I'm like, my dad or dad would have loved this. Like he would have fun fucking bald eagle is over. And I'm like, all right. First of all, it's weird that they're in New Orleans because they don't usually like this climate. And then I'm sitting on my porch later like a month or two ago, I caught a video of it.

This time there had like southern swamp eagles there. They're like the swamp eagles. And like, I'm sitting on my porch, I'm listening to, Van Morrison into the mystic. It reminds me of my dad, like, real dad vibe there. And I'm like, I'm just, feeling it. And I'm like, okay, you dad hope you're good. Motherfucking bald eagle.

Fuck, yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, this is nuts. And in my brain I'm like, I know. I'm just now like, because I'm looking at the sky or I'm doing this and like, it's a pattern. I'm noticing the pattern, but also like, I can see how people are like it's a sign from hell. Yeah, yeah, because that's fucking wild.

It is. Why? These are this is not their natural habitat because of course, God couldn't just, like, couldn't just say, Lindsay, it's me. Yeah, right. Check this out. Your dad is up here. He loves you. Like, you know, that's not possible. It's got to be a fucking bald eagle. What's my direct one? Of course. Like I couldn't just show up and ghostly drop off Cheetos.

And, of course, my dad was turned into a majestic, like. That's probably what he did. He turned into a majestic fucking bird of America. Like, course he did. So he just wants you to be very patriotic. And you, propagandist, are inheritors of his rule change. Now is a divine propaganda. This. And you just don't need God to show you.

Just not putting it together. These gods chief propagandist. Well, it's funny, like my dad, like most of my life, was hardcore Republican. Well, he was moderate Republican, I would say. And then, like, he was a Trumper. And then by the end of his life, he was like, man, I could really use some universal health care. You know, cancer is expensive.

Woo. So it's just, you know, it's funny to me that it would like it would manifest. Sounds like a fucking bald eagle because he's like, let's take some birth. America. So he's on this cloud now in heaven with red, white and blue cloud. Right? He's like, dressed almost like Uncle Sam and go like, you know, like his theme song is.

Yeah, he's got jets flying over with red wine. Blue control. Oh, yeah. Look at that. That lady. Yeah. No, he's like, you know what? I really miss Lindsey. Let me send her another sign. Oh, I'm gonna send her America's bird. That's right. And the crazy thing was, it was almost the turkey. Like, we almost had the turkey as the national bird.

Oh, my God, you got some turkeys hanging out my yard. Now, that's really cool. You know, it's funny because, like, the bald eagle is such a really good not not we'll go long on this one, but, you know, it's such a really perfect symbol, symbol here because, you know, it's like it really susceptible bird. It's like, not really that resilient.

It's very, you know, it's very extinct. The bull kites, you see. Oh yeah. He's a really particular Abdu. He did a number on that. Yeah. So it's that that its whole existence is precarious. You know, we're such a young nation and all this bullshit we've been doing for all these years now in the world is like setting us up for failure.

This kind of, you know, wealth inequality is setting us up. It's like the topple factor, right? You put too much center, Gravity's too high, you have too much resources at the top. And it's only going to go one way. As soon as it starts to tip, the whole thing just falls over. That's just that's just basic physics. So it's like all the signs of the end of empire are, like, converging upon us, right?

Yeah. So like a bald eagle being such a precarious species and so vulnerable is actually a pretty good symbol. Yeah. Is that they're just tying that in. So. So anyway, I do like this could topple at any moment. So yeah. To bring it back to poodles real quick. Right. Here we go. I'm timing our neurodivergent theater. So, I'm doing the,

I'm doing the. We've. Oh, here we go, here we go a little bit, but, but I'm doing the I'm doing like, the actual, like, I guess you could say actual version of it, not just post rationalizing. You're not that Trumpian version where his brains could revolve inside a peanut shell for a thousand years without ever touching the sides.

I have phrase as I'm trying to work into our forecast. That is one that's deep shot, but it's a good word. Zevon's hatchlings the his penis is they meet it at night for our gutsy large stuff. But it's a for PSA number 1 in 50. You just don't wish it. Finish it. That was love. Our country's large. That was a who knew the Matt.

So did Trey Parker. We're going to save America. It but it's in that part. It's in that punchy sarcastic right. It's like satire will save the world. His pit is going to. His penis is terribly. It's got a saddle. It's got that funkiness to it. Right? No, but his love for our work. But you. Yeah, but that's it.

I think she just made a great point there. You're saying satire and you were going to rescue us because they're going to give us that. They're going to build it. Exactly. But it does every time enduring them. I remember what I was like in fucking seventh grade when Bush and Gore were running. Right? Yeah. That's when I got, like, real big into political cartoons, a satire.

I had a teacher that was like real big into it. So into our social studies, you know what? Like make us write political cartoons and satire and stuff like that and like it really. I noticed even at that age that it got people to read the election with SNL, Will Ferrell playing Bush and stuff like that. It, like, it really makes it not so hard.

It gives it takes your trauma and turns it into comedy. So like, it's taking all this traumatic shit that's happening and giving an outlet in satire form. Yeah, it lampoons things so you can highlight the ridiculousness of it, get some objectivity, stand back and say, this is dumb. We need to change it, right? Nobody's going to look at the guy going, Fuck Trump, but everybody's going to look at Trump in bed with Satan.

Like they're going to look at that and they're going to go, oh, they went there. Yeah. And bow way. Maybe they're right. So bring back that to bring back that like motif from early South Barton put it back right at the perfect time was just well he's just so cute. Yeah I mean he's they used the Saddam idea back.

They use the exact same. The exact same. They say that Saddam was a dictator. Right. That's up there. So there's the double entendre. Yes. That you have to kind of know South Park to know that, but. Right. It's still in it. But so this, you know, poodle thing. All right. Is now back to the poodle. Sorry. Yeah.

There there is this this is back in the day. This is like, probably, Yeah, something like, 2010 or something. There's this new story that came out of this lady and somewhere, like in South Park or somewhere around Charlotte or Greater Charlotte area or whatever, who, but their dog out to, like, little poodle out to tinkle in the backyard.

Right. And so here's a little feed one on the backyard, where I'm going to do the sprinkle today. Right. It's like frolicking, but all of a sudden, the freaking bird of prey, a lot of forgot. What's it, Falcon, baldy or stuff? This guy comes down like, grabs the grip. Yep. And it's like the freaking monkeys in, Wizard of Oz taking the.

And you know, take it, though. And puddles is hanging off the the, you know, things is flying away. And so it's like up there like obviously feeding it to its babies, you know, it's so like this is a French cuisine today since mom whipped up some for us food. I have a question. Boston. You know, so, you know, you can imagine the owner of this dog, like, is like, you know, would generally, like, nightmare scenario.

Your beloved pet is just gone in an instant from this. Like, devil that comes in the sky. Comes the devil. Yes, yes. That is. Yeah. And so, like, these things are all perspective and to the, to the fur to praise for dinner. You know, lunch where breakfast or whatever. And you know, to the mother or the owner, the pet.

It's like devastating. Oh my God. All right. We gotta get rid of these damn people. And to the poodle, it's still probably the whole time, like, what the hell is going on? Like, you know, it's a dumb dog. It's, you know, frolicking in the yard. It's, you know, it's like, oh, sorry, it's not a cop. It's it's not too late.

Right? These we anthropomorphized animals. But at the end of the day, they're not really that complex. Wow. Complex. Yeah. Complex or contemplated is the word I've going for like this. You know, the little the little dog mouth. They're, like, frolicking and finding out words tinkling, imagining. Oh, I better watch my back right there, you know? And then when it gets grabbed, it's sort of flying through the air, like wriggling and trying to trying to break free.

But it has no idea what that was going on. Right. Like I'm being like, oh, my back hurts and my legs are no longer on the grass. Oh no. Good. I never knew I could fly, but it's like, oh, Jack, I'm flying. Yeah. And, you know, you're here. I wouldn't, I wouldn't think the, the local, HOA ordinance where you have to clean up after your pet with a pet just dropped, you know, across a half the county, I don't think, I don't think would fly in this case, but, you know, there it is.

So that happened. That was one thing. And so the two people I was in business with at the time were running this, online, database type thing and web applications. It was in the.com bubble and I was going to start. We will laughed about that like and I acted it out. We had a stuffed animal, the little dog in the in the office.

I don't know why we had some stuffed animals. I don't even remember why. It's the things. So I jump up on the desk and I have the stuffed animal on there. Oh, you know what? No. I need to see you go full hawk. Right there. These things are so put on the desk. Can do it. No. So see this, my friend that I was in business with was an architect, and he made these desks that have solid wooden doors and cinder blocks and, like, like scaffolding type material.

Right? So these desks could hold like big clunky servers and all types of printing equipments as well. Yeah. Oh, beyond thought he was like, this dude is a great architect, right. Okay. And so these desks, no yurts, you you'd see the, tempered glass give way. But shortly after you see this plane of tempered glass before me, if I jumped on this turn to all those little squares, and, you, instead of seeing the the the, the stuffed animal get carried away in my, reenactment.

You see me, like, getting ready to go to the hospital, scaring away. But lastly is echo, so. And and trust me, it would be extremely comedic. It would, it would. It's almost it's almost tempting for the possible either any of the ways this could go down due to the failed physics of this desk. Yeah. Would be hilarious indeed.

I mean, none of the outcomes are deterring me from wanting to see this. Yes, yes. All right. And most of the outcomes still even don't deter me, which is rude question. But but I like it would still be cool since I'm older and wiser now. It's not going to happen. You know, just let me tell you. Yeah, yeah.

My. Yeah. That's right. My oh my job. It's going to rain because I have my hips bothering. So 90% chance it's already rain. Oh it's going to I feel I really feel I feel it's going to rain in my bus. So anyway, you know, I reenact this thing and I jump down on it, and I. And I take my shoes off and I try to grab the stuff, and I do grab the stuffed animal with my toes.

Right? Oh my God, I know you know these these because it's Allen toes, right? I'm laughing because I can do the same thing with my toes. Like I could like Harambe. Anything with no beat. Oh, yeah. Some, like, crushed cans, I'm sure. Holy shit, man, yeah, I can, I have a pretty good, pencil like, pincer strength with my big toe and my prehensile toes.

One of those people who's, like, second toe is bigger sticks out further than anyone that makes a leap. I can like I can spread those three. Oh, yeah, I could grab some. I could slip the undies up and catch them, you know. All right. Yeah, I could, I could move just our toe. I well, I'm glad we're not recording for the foot fetish.

Me here. I was not that cost extra. Yeah, that's what I'm saying that we don't want to be giving that up for our Patreon. Right? Yeah. That extra countries. I would definitely make sure if I sent a, like, rag to get that, I would make sure I put a really thick rubber band on your food. France ready?

And a hot tub.

So anyway, I reenact the scene and I have my two coworkers or, you know, business partners. I mean, crying, laughing right here. And I take the reenactment again from the position of the lady. Oh, my God, so easy. You know, it's like I did the whole thing. It's like, yeah, right. It's like you. I did like, a multiple, I did the multiple multiple layered.

No. Can you leave that open? You got I'm way too high and you're lost yesterday. Okay, well, because the air conditioning is not on. Oh. Would you can you rectify that verse? I thought I was excited you, ma'am. You're about us and much appreciated. Those are cool shoes. The AC got us. Yes, absolutely. She does.

It's temperature regulation upon us. So my Cedric, really quick cool stories that I heard this. This was a true story. It was like it in the news. It happened as an incident that happened near the airport. There's a small fender bender. This guy was late for the airport, and this lady in front of him stopped, you know, suddenly.

And he was he was following her too close or whatever, and, you know, couldn't stop in time. But it wasn't a bad idea. It was just just a bump. It was like one of those things where you can just get out and look and be like, clearly there's no damage, right? Let's go our separate ways. And he's trying to catch his flight.

So he's stressed out, right? He's like thinking he's going to miss his flight. And he looks and there's no damage whatsoever. I mean, there's a slice of what bombed. And so you know, they pull over to the side and he comes up and this lady starts turn, turn and turn into him. And she's like, you know, you're going to pay for this, you know, insurance.

So yeah, we're going to exchange, we're going to wait for no, we're going away from the police. And he's like, no, lady, I got this, I got this. Like I got to get to the airport. Like, please, here's my information. Oh please. Right. And she's like, nope. The police are you were not leave it and Boba and she got this little poor robot and they put us like oh my gosh.

Yeah. But let's yeah, yeah. Attack real you. Yeah. Yeah. Like in Christmas Story that little toady. Yeah. That's a very. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You tell oh my. Yeah. So this guy is like on this last year, he's already late. He's on his last nerve and he's doing this lady apparently is really stressed out and he's got this yapping poodle now, like, like, you know, buffing up to over simulating the shit of ever seeing.

Right. And he was probably like, you know, who knows, maybe he's autistic or whatever he was for so long story short, is this guy is like finally, you know, feels his last fiber is, patient. Oh. Come back. Yeah. The last fiber of his patients has been triggered like he's it's gone. He's he's now like, has tripped. He's in rage mode.

And he takes the poodle. He reaches in, grabs the pool off the ladies lap in one fell swoop and whips it into oncoming traffic. Oh my gosh, no way. And the cars were going fast the other way because it's a highway there, right? And what? Cars are going fast. And he throws the poodle onto incoming traffic and obviously kills it.

What kind of evil bastard do you have to beat a whip, a poodle, like a piece of trash into oncoming traffic. So obviously, temporary lost your mind? Yeah, yeah, and I'm very impatient. Good point. But so he. Potter, you know, he he the story was in the observer. And, you know, I added to the extra content. The story was in the observer and I read it.

And so this was way back in the day. And we were talking about this group dynamics and perspectives. Yes. Right. So like here's a guy who's like, you know, kind of in a construction van type thing, right? Like kind of blue collar and there's this like, you know, the way the describing stories, a wealthy, pretentious lady driving this Mercedes SUV or something.

Yeah. Like her plate says something like no one, you know, or. Yeah, something like that. Right. Yeah. And so all of like the the rules and all the etiquette and everything was like for that moment, completely gone. Like it was, it was a it was a sober moment, like, especially with the dark. But you know, it's like you that's you can imagine the perspective.

It's almost like we have this false environmental shields around us. Sometimes we feel like we feel this false sense of, what normal and reality is when somebody can just disrupt that so potently. Right? Like, so like lightning strike change, you forget the rest of the world is there and can penetrate your bubble. Yes there was. So that's the words I'm looking for.

Damn. And that's what that's what was so interesting about the story. There's other we're looking for the word country. It's apropos in so many situations. You know, that just makes me think of when the guy threw the mashed potatoes at David from the car on the highway. Okay, after you finish this story, we're going to tell this story.

But no, that wasn't the end of my story, is that I was segue into our conversation about group dynamics. Okay. Right by how this there are these weird kind of cases where, you know, like someone feels the world in a certain way, but then instantaneously they're like their bubble, like you said, is is penetrated and completely realized there's it was false to the intimate like what a sobering reality to to face.

You know what I mean? Like this. The way I think things work is all of a sudden you're proven to be totally wrong. Yeah. If we may briefly derail the, store or the podcast for, this story, I think you should be able to tell it better than me. Know what? Well, it's. And it's simple. It's. David was driving down the road, right.

It was safe to drive. And, you know, it was God damn was driving down the road in the Impala. In the Impala. You know. And David had his window open there, you know, lax in 250 as you go in, just having a good time. And they see this guy on the high, I think it was on either 45 or 77 know.

So I on the side of the highway like inner shoulder on the side of the highway and there was J. I reinforce going, what the fuck is this guy doing? And no, I don't think you know where this is going. I'll tell you if I'm right or wrong, I'll be honest about it. All right. So, they're driving.

They're they're like, probably about a mile or two away from this guy. They're, like, trying to figure out why this guy is on the side of highway. Next thing they know, that, no, they see this guy. We're up. And David's like, what is? What's happening? She going nuts? For who? Something. Yeah. And he lets loose like he's in an MLB pitch off left loose.

And next thing you know David is covered in mashed bits. So the the the mashed the KFC mashed potatoes hits the rim of the window, flips and just catapulted into his face, wanting to move back into his van. He's like, perfect strike. What is this? It's like playing Call of Duty and throwing the tomahawk at the beginning, and you get the first kill free second.

In the metaphor y mashed potato. Yeah, yeah. And they were all there where you grew great. And it were. You guys can't see it, but she just licked her finger like she said. It's a great me. So the trauma of the story like has I'm saying to this day it was mashed potatoes, but it was it actually, you know, it was a big load of homeless man's fault.

I was just thinking, like, you know, some people that, you know, are living out of their car sometimes use the bathroom in their car and they go in a container. Yeah. So throwing a dog into a highway made you think of mashed potatoes head. Right. Do you imagine, like a white fluffy pool or something like that? It looks like a cloud.

Like a like a fluffy cloud of mashed potatoes that probably wouldn't actually. Why is that? I and the guy throwing the poodle, though, was mashed potatoes with ketchup. Oh, damn. Oh, man, it's like gravy. Nope. That's a oh that's brutal. Bluh. My bad. So I wrote down that I think I know where the story's going. It's a guy through mashed potatoes that somebody yelled at you, but you got I wrote it down so I could prove that I did.

Guess you got it. Sort of a bright idea I wanted to. We're on their way to the last potatoes. At times when they were on their way to the shop and David was going to stay in the car and jump, was going to go in there and shoot the shit. And probably buy a weird sex toy for Lisa.

Now you could do the same thing with mashed potatoes on his face, right? David still stayed in the car and I mean talking about a story you can tell for the rest of your life with multiple layers. So yeah, it was covered in mashed potatoes in a way, and bought a sex toy. I don't even think I could put those kind of things together.

And so reality stranger than fiction, you know, 100%. Right. Okay. What that changed the group dynamic that it did right though, is brute speaking. Everyone was a little quieter. Yeah. None of us could hardly believe it, but it was true. So there's there's circumstances that can happen like this kind of a grenade that gets thrown. Right. So there's a, you know, something that something can happen in the group that changes the group dynamic.

I will forever now call it a potato grenade. Titter. It was a mash up. Oh, it was a mash up. Mashable. It was a mashable. And so, there's, there's things like a different person entering the the conversation. Right. If you have two people talking, the third person comes into the conversation. It's going to automatically radically especially the.

Yeah. So we do random asshole enters the chat. Yeah. Or just seeing someone you know and they bring. So okay so if Lindsey and I were talking like one on one and we were like having coffee or something together, sometime we would have our own flavor of conversational dynamic between two of us. Right. Travis, you a little quieter, you and just you and John talking, right?

Which would have its own louder. Yeah, yeah. All right. You're done for us. And then Sean and I talking would be like, you know, the same thing. You just listen to them via verbal assault upon your ears. And so like, you know, you have one, two, three different possible dynamics just with two people just within this group of three.

Right. And the raised three of us together and that's it now creates a brand new dynamic. Yeah. Right. And so then you add a fourth person or change the environment, whether you're on a park bench, walking on the street or sitting in a studio with from the some panels on the wall. Right. All these different factors are going to change that dynamic or at least add variable or wrinkle to them.

Right? Right. So whether you're recording or not, recording is going to be right. So our conversations change just by introducing the element of actually recording the podcast. Right? Right. Because we self edit a little bit more, we think we try to sound potentially more on topic. You guys are self editing. Yeah. I love that so much.

Like, based on what I told you earlier. Yes, very much so. All right. I'm trying I don't know if it's. So it would be really. It'd be really interesting. I could actually go back. I don't know if I could even do it, but, they're saying that kind of go back over a conversation, one that was recorded and then have a secondary track of what you were really thinking, right?

Yeah. If there's some possible way to connect, like if I sat here and type the whole time, like, right, maybe not. While we were talking and just yeah, I don't know, somehow we manage the video recorder or something. So I know what I'm saying. Documented your inner monologue? Yes. Just one time to talk about totally different from what comes out of the mouth.

First rules are the most true. And, I was told as a kid that that's like what you should always do. Like you should always think before you say it, like, you know, going straight to what hit your mind and have a good mind to mouth, you know, have it go to mind and then think about it and then go mouth.

Right? Yeah. Or however it is. Think before you talk or whatever. Yeah, sure. Before you speak. So make it after that one. And, you know, that's that is sound advice. Yeah. You know, but there's, there's value I think in not like doing that too. We talked about that a little bit a minute ago like this. You have this double edged sword of blessing and burden curse and liberation.

If you are the kind of person who just says immediately what comes through my stream of consciousness unburdened you as a person, could you imagine? So you're living like more just in pure romantic. Yeah, than in purely environment. Imagine if human beings lived authentically just for a few days. It would be like the Purge. Like if people really said, what?

It's oh my gosh, magic. And well, I'm okay, but I'm just presuming, you know, it's like coworker comes up to you, starts talking to you, met the family that you don't care about. You're like, I don't like this conversation. I'm going to leave. Yeah. And then you go and be much more productive for your day. In unburdened, this conversation is not stimulating.

I would like to leave it. Dallas. Woo. And you know, that would be fun. This was in some kind of comic or something joke. Some point I heard it's hilarious. Is that that that, like, really reserved person in the office, like, female, you know, it's like everyone's just saying all of a sudden what's on their mind, and there's like this really, like, perfect.

Well, to do everything's perfect in her life, person, I think. Oh, it was, family Guy. It was the news reporter. They thought the world was the end, and the, the the, the the the weight news commentator was just like, I just plain don't like black people. Like a place, dude. And it was like, whoa, right?

Like, could you imagine imagine some person at the office, at the watercooler, just say whatever the hell. You know what? We have a perfect example of that in today's day and age is Kanye. Yes, Courtney, it's the perfect. Oh, yeah. Oh, just saying, whatever comes out of your mind or even Ellen, Ellen is just flip through. And Kanye just released his newest album cover as a cover up the album.

Yet it is. He took a picture of a white supremacist couple and that was from their wedding, where the woman is in a red hood and robe. The man is, in a way, who is a sort of romantic. And yes, he's he's crying, cradling her lovingly. And they have a dog, a little cockapoo in the corner with this looking.

I mean, it's looking it things it has this ironic look on its face, like what the fuck is going on it? It's got a little robe on it. That's what, what was the anti-hero back in the day? And he just randomly was like, George Bush hates black people, you know, like, if that's the. And that was at the beginning of it all, that was the most mild thing he's probably ever said.

And what can you decide to do with this original picture was put the woman in blackface. Oh that's good. Yeah. This is this sounds just like how can I juxtapose, you know, a whole bunch of things? It's going to get a lot of attention that that doesn't even sound that creative to me. No. Yeah. Well, whatever. You know, we all have our own tastes, and he's a jackass.

And we should be, you know, treated accordingly, presented accordingly. So, so this this dynamic. Right. Going back to that, this, this group dynamic thing is like, man, there's so many different it's it's impossible to navigate this really. Right. Because you, you'd have to if you had this like, this it's the main character syndrome. Like, we're all the main character of our own story.

Sure. And it's always perspective based. Always. It's never like you guys are right now. You guys are like, you know, really top stars. You know, in my in my movie, but and vice versa and. Oh, well, then, right, your costars in this can't go this they're going to this career soon. All this currency in my in my drawers.

Honestly, I presently like please, I could go my whole life without ever hearing you say that again. Yes, I remember lovely. I probably for both, I guess. I'm it's a funny to say, but also to this. But. So, right in in my you guys are costars. I mean, this current scene in my movie, which I'm the main character.

Right? And so right now in your movie, which is your life, you're the main character of. Right? We're costars right now in yours, the scene that you're right. And so I have to know that perspective. I have to know everything about you and the the act, the character that you're playing right now to really understand the true group dynamic.

That's it's impossible. I can never understand. Right. Because we're locked into our own frame every other own main character energy. Yeah. When it comes to their own life, I gotcha. Yes, yes, exactly. And so if there was a way to like, wave a magic wand, you know, and make it to where all of a sudden people drop all shields and they're just like, full on, could you imagine?

But the chaos, but also the larger anarchy, but pure bliss. Yeah. People would have from not having to like. Yeah. You're not you're not put on these airs. You're not you know, you don't have these strictures and limits. You. You are living your main character and you take it to the brink. Could go never again in my life hearing Lindsay.

You don't have to say everything that pops into your head. Oh, okay. So you can imagine you you still say everything that pops into your head. Okay. Please do. I don't know if I can take that, that that that, dipper off that I've put on over the years. They have mom reputation, like, she has the greatest comedy routine from years ago that she wrote.

That is so hilarious. Please do it in public sometime, someday. I got a bunch of new material. My kids are just given. Dole it out. New material all day. Yeah, every single day. But there there is, one joke in there that might have been considered hot button back in the day, I think. I think people will be just fine with it.

Now go make it. Make a call to. And dude, that's that's Sean's favorite. Oh, my God, it's so good. You said John Ball like Pope. No, it is also her favorite. Like football. Yeah. It was about, when the Redskins were talking about, like, changing their name. I'm like, okay, well, I'm trying to explain it to my husband at the time, and I'm like, it's we can't.

We do have to change that. It we can't, we can't keep that name, like, come on. And he's like, why do we have to change that name? And I'm like, well, having a football team in America called the Redskins, it's like Germany having a soccer team called like the Red sea pedestrians or something. Because like, this is not we can't just take a whole group of people.

That was it was the Israelites. They Korea having the Red sea history or Israel having the Red sea. It was Germany having the Kikes. Yeah, yeah, it's real and having the Red sea. But you can't just you can't do that. No, nothing is you can't take this inherently terrible racist thing and make it a subordinate. It's like and you know, Trump just recently it's so apropos because Trump wanted to he was trying to hold up a, stadium deal because he wanted the Washington commanders to change their name to act as the Redskins.

Yeah, exactly. Back to the kids. So hold on. Wait a minute. Are is I don't even know or the Washington Redskins is no longer valuable. Yeah. So they're called a Syrian competitor. So you don't follow sports at all to me either. It's okay. So okay, so I remember growing my whole life there in the Washington Redskins. And I never thought one thing about it, you know.

Yeah. We probably didn't matter to me or regret. Never. Rich, sir, I never, never thought to to think that it even mattered what the team was name like. Right? Right. But but it is. It does matter if I really think about it. Think it through, I guess it would matter. But yeah, it will. It has an impact on a marginalized group.

It makes them feel. Abused on her role. And then you look at colleges that have like you got like, what is it, the Florida Seminoles. Oh, you know, you can chant this. Oh, oh. And I'm like, that is oh, there's no the Atlanta Braves. Okay. So yeah. Oh, you finally do that. You go, there you go. Yeah.

Yeah. So so my high school was named well Mojo. So it sounds like a, sounds like a new tribe name or as that kind of, you know, kind of that's sounding, yeah. As a veiled native sounding hell. But what it was, is there three small towns, the their school all came together was Warren. Right. And the WA was Warren, Connecticut.

And then there was Morris. Oh, good. Okay. That was the Mo. And then there was Goshen, Connecticut. So that was that were Mogo that thing called it the the first two letters of the three towns. So you guys were a trendy neighborhood before that school and there. And the mascot or the, the, the symbol for it was a big Indian chief with a headdress on.

Oh, shit. Like for her feathers. And, you know, I just went to hilarious. I was like, have all these team names named after, like, Native Americans, but we're not out here naming team names like the Indiana colonizers, like, oh, so tell me there's not, like, there's there's a bias here, Well, the current administration, I wouldn't be a bit surprised this term.

Yeah, if they started coming out in DC. This next amendment is going to be not the Washington commanders, the Washington colonizers. You know what? I can't get behind that because it was like a this true route of what's going on. Okay. Absolutely. People need to be like taken down a notch. Okay? I mean, we're down another. Yeah. Yes, yes.

Let's take them down and like, shake the Louisiana crackers any day, you know, like. A, I was thinking, like, the Kentucky commander clan or something. Oh, that I love that along those lines there, I love it. Well, we could just do it with the unique spelling. We could do quadruple K the Kentucky Klu Klux Klan. Yeah. Just go it.

Just go Frank for it. Yeah. It's. You can go to you KKK. It's true, true, true. You know, truly opening free speech society. That's, that's the right answer. Yeah. This is bald faced openness with your predilections and preferences. Maybe it's like, you know, go ahead, everybody get it out. Let it run its course. Whatsoever. All right, so we run a free for all cultural purge break.

There you go. Just and it showcases how ridiculous it is. So frankly was that one's folly. And I think satire again I can't remember who it was. He said we should name cookies derogatory racist names were because then nobody would be mad about it anymore. Like you're like, oh, can I get one of them wetbacks right there?

This is delicious. Way, way back I've ever had in my life. So take the power. Do you take the power back? Repurpose the word. Yeah, I like that. So it was just like I out kind of edgy. So if there's, like, if there's a bunch of Mexicans making them, that's that would be kind of wrong. These hunky cookies have no flavor for each human.

Tasteless. No. They're they love it. Not a bit of fruit and vegetable. These are Lindsay cookies. Oh, damn. Damn. Lindsay. Sugar in meat. Yeah, yeah. Mika spice to me. But, What's up them. So creepy when you say it. It did sound pretty creepy. Anyway, back to you. You said you said that. You said that with authority.

Kind of weird. Rates 60. That's a sailboat for later. Yeah. It was able that could be featured I think. I think it's going to be featured sometimes when people say things you can almost like sense experiential story behind what they're saying. That was that was that was there somehow that was a weird sound you could talk about. Yeah.

I need to unleash my inner trauma surrounding space. No. Yeah. This isn't this is positively pedestrian, not confessional. That's the extra content you guys got to pay for. To hear about the spice meats. Subscribe. Hit this. That's like subscribe for Spice Me. That's not just a buy me a coffee. That's the Patreon paywall right there on Patreon. Pay to get that story.

Yeah, yeah. So, I've experienced this group dynamic thing like many, many times. Sure. And in some cases in really awkward fashions. Right. So we recently, like Sean and I recently had this like totally awkward group dynamic thing happen, right? Yes. Which brought up the necessity to talk about hit group tenement. Yeah, we had to get it out.

So I had this boss one time that inside the office. Okay, this this is this is awesome. Like, this is this is weird, but awesome. Summary. Right. So this boss, there is a series I worked for Caroline is Healthcare, which is now atria, and I worked in this little it's kind of side, cubicle farm. And I work on the edge.

Right. It wasn't it wasn't big enough or good enough or pay great enough to have a window, right? Sure. I mean, I'm it's all I'm in my cubicle, you know, but I'm in this nice kind of, juxtaposition with several coworkers, get along really well with them and cut up an all time laugh, go to the watercooler and joke and pull these antics, much of which is on the podcast.

I we go back and, you know, there's stories about some of the antics of people that were vulgarities in this office. And, so to this day, you know, we when I get together with some of my friends that I made there, we talk about these things that happened in the office that were hilarious, like these little pranks and, you know, things, benign pranks.

Not like something that's going to be marvelous, right? When you're right. I mean, like, put, you know, put something, something or does you're making something that would change the TV from Fox News. Yes. That was that was one of them. Is that. Yes. There was this guy that was like a vigilante about it will always be on Fox News in the break room, right.

Like always. And I mean, like, he'd go in there and grab the remote and change it to Fox News. Like we go, you know, someone put on CNN, he'd be like, no, that's communism writing that. It's got to be on Fox News. He was like, we had joked about this guy so many times, like, you know what kind of person?

Yeah. So like his idea was that since Fox News is always this is the idea that I got a sense of this guy is that since Fox News is always playing in the break room, the viewers, the people were hearing the truth. The right, like, this is this is healthy for people because they're they're hearing the truth. Wow.

And so I'm going to I'm going to do my public service. So he was liberating minds. That's a that's really how I think he saw it. So what I saw my friend John and I did is we, we bought this stigma from like some kind of Chinese website or whatever. That was like an automated channel changer, right? It was this little tiny, thing that you had to solder together.

And there's this guy that did shortwave radio. And so he's an expert solder because he made his own shortwave radio is a shortwave radio. And this is. Yeah. You know, and, we had him solder it for us and we let him coming out it on the, on the scheme. Right. And so I got up one night, one evening I got up on the top counter really high.

High ceilings of this high cabinets. Right. And I got up there and I put position perfectly. This little device that runs randomly like it runs every 30 minutes. It would change the channel like inside the drop ceiling. So he has perfectly lined up, right? Yeah. It was it was hidden very well. And so like people would be sitting in the break room, Fox news would be on this guy Tom.

I won't use his last name. I don't want to defamation like Tom Morello. Okay? That would sit there and then everyone's like eating lunch under the veil of Fox News. So he was happy. And then also CNN would come on right. And the remote is like, within his arm's reach. Oh, right. And so he was like, what the hell, Fox?

Fox. No no no no. Quickly. Fox. Yeah. Puts it back on Fox News and then like, you know, like ten minutes later, CNN. Right. This guy went berserk. And talk about how that changed the group dynamic. He lost control. He wasn't a he wasn't the main character of his little five one dude goes berserk. Like, I mean, toward that break room, our perception of reality bubble was up.

Is he thought he had control of his. He thought he had full dominion mastery of this technology. This dude is in there with a fucking stepladder. He's looking. I mean, he's up on cabinets, countertops like a fucking monkey eye. He's it was like someone was playing the hurdy gurdy and he was like, that's my gear. Is it around?

Yeah. Do you get to listen to Herbie during music all day? No, not at your now that's your Renaissance Festival job? No, no. So I love the hurdy gurdy. Hurdy hurdy gurdy. I didn't know what it was. I just knew from cartoons. Right. The played to the monkey would jump around and get money from you. So I always wondered what the thing was.

And then later on, my life when I had internet, that's how I even know the phrase herd. I'm surprised you guys know organ grinder, hurdy gurdy. And I'm so the hurdy gurdy for our, younger, less is this, mechanical device that you crank, and as you crank it, it plays. It plays piano to it. Yeah. It's like.

It's like a music box that's manually cranked. And it's for all the awesome sound. French Riviera and. Yeah, and I'm good for this. And the eyebrows on fleek. Oh, yeah. So they I'm definitely the on fleek story is when, the the the joke here is that once, soccer moms start using, new slang as it emerges, it kills, it's out, it's dead.

It goes from into out. I'm sure it also applies to nerdy neon white dudes using the slang like me. Yeah, it was so it's it is like the, you know, the adult class or you know, where she. I have the problem where I'll use slang that's like current and hip ironically, but then I can't stop. Like I was saying, this song slaps for years and I can't stop.

That's gorgeous. Enters your personal looks. It does, it does like my grant. Stop calling people bro. Like, Yeah. It's like brah looking to.

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