0:00 That is so. I will never get over him coming outside. I know right. And then running back behind the fence and then start. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yep. Oh, nice. Looks good. Thank you. Know that haircut? Like, it looks like it would be perfect with, like, a porn mustache?

0:18 Yeah. This was one of those, like, quick things. It's not the normal haircut she would have given me. It's like I ended up being ten minutes late for the haircut, and she's like, what the hell am I going to do with your hair? 20 minutes I was like, I don't know.

0:31 It's like, we don't have time. We don't have time to do it. It's like. She's like, oh my God. Right. Work your magic, baby. Yeah. I was like, just do something. It's so she could get a 70s porn. Yeah, so that's what I got.

0:47 Like, kind of furry mercury mustache. That would go perfect. Oh, yeah. I know what you mean, girl. Pencil thin, you know. Yeah. You could either be a porn star or a baker. Yeah, like one of the old fashioned ones that were with a Pfizer and had on the desk. Yeah, right. It's like on the side. Be a high profile accounting on the side.

1:08 Right. Runs books for the mob on the side. Yep. I'm not happy with it myself. I see you wear a vest.

1:18 Yeah I've got to, I've got to wear the vast if it with a green visor, I've got to have the green lamp on the desk. I have to have one of those calculators with the excessively large, you know, roll on the back. Oh, you're talking about the handle. The one they handle that you commit. Like omit the transaction.

1:35 Exactly. That was like, you know, and then they checked the tape, you know, like smoking in the office. Right. That's it. Smoking in the office while you check the tape and, like, the whole entire office has a haze. But I'm doing cigar. If I get one choice here. And cigars. That is fancy. Yeah. You're like the the the high dollar, high paid accountant.

2:03 Yeah. So I could be anywhere from the 1940s to the 1970s. Yes, sir. How you tip your hat to the mob like that's your. That's your signal? Yeah. Virtue signal. Yes. That's my that's my dog. Whistle to the mob.

2:21 Virtue signaling. I love it like the one finger salute at the Cuban on Trump rally. Oh, wow. Yeah. Did you see that one? No. Crap. The one finger. Where do we go? One. We go all. Wow. And, So Trump is, like, gone full on cue because, I guess it in hot water. Oh, yeah. So he's trying to have to save him.

2:46 Yeah. He's he's he's he's, like, you know, drawing on the energy of conspiracy theories to, I don't know, try to try to maybe increase the, the interesting enough and I won't say much about it, but, some of the,

3:05 People I work with are Freemasons. Oh, geez. Yeah, it's it's hard, like, you know, as from yesterday's conversation, just all these various cults and trappings that we could fall into. And whether you in one or not, you're in one by default, right? It's by. Right. American culture. Yeah, yeah. And that was the that was the crux of what we were saying yesterday, that, you know, a cult is really the idea of a culture that you belong to.

3:37 Yeah. Like the designated as the word. Because there could be certain things that you could be a part of that maybe can be positive, like, let's say you're in some kind of like Helicon group that's not just about riding the bike, but there's like a philosophy extension to it as well. Right, right. Like there's some guru that's leading you in the bike, but then also it's like like a Tony Robinson, you know, trying to boost you, giving you little moral tips.

3:58 It's like my life coach. Yeah. So you're trying to, like, double dip, you know, while you're riding the bike, you're throwing out these little inspirational things, you know? Yeah. Not just to get the body in shape, but try to, like, enhance the mind and stuff. And then it turns into, like a really popular, right exclusive thing. And people can get pretty, you know, wrapped up in it.

4:16 Hey, that's in a way that can be as long as the messaging was positive, that could be like a positive cause. It was a messaging was positive. And the messaging the, you know, didn't lead you to do anything like, yeah, stormed the Capitol on bikes like like, like ten speeds. The peloton. Yeah. The peloton. Mega mega.

4:39 Peloton extraordinaire. Whatever. Give us some acronym, dude. Trump. If he fucking wrote a bike, that'd be nice. You know, you probably get obsessed with something else. Go scamper off in the field. Yeah. He subscribes to some theory of, like your your body, your bio. I heard this obscure at one time. Like, your body has a certain amount of energy.

5:04 And, exercise is, like, not not a good thing because, like, robs your body of energy. Wow. So you've got a it's got to keep his energy for his own use. Yeah. So, like, the golfing is the exercise because you're, you're playing a game and you're you're you're making business. You're making some usefulness out of that energy.

5:23 Who's saying, you know, hey, I'm. I'm making some use out of it. So the golfing fun business and and exercise. Yeah, there's there's a theory that like your, your wife energy is kind of a cumulative thing, but I think the data shows that, you know, exercise returns more energy than it than it takes for me. It does. And I did read something interesting the other day.

5:48 Talking about.

5:52 Talking about talking about resistive breathing. Oh, interesting. Okay. It was saying you can bring your, this is on a PR. You can bring your, blood pressure down.

6:11 As it. Nine. Is it nine millimeters of or something like that? Okay, so that's the equipment, like, bring it down by nine points. Yeah. Okay. And so that's the equivalent of what a drug often does. Not in points. Wow. If you have high blood pressure take the drugs and do this technique right. And, so it requires a device to offer some resistance, but the devices aren't that expensive.

6:43 And so they were basically talking about doing 30 breaths every day with this device. Maintain lung capacity. Helps the diaphragm and other muscles, not atrophy as you age. Absolutely. There's a, something to be said for, like a morning regimen of stretching, like yoga style stretching combined with meditation. Yeah, you could probably get into a really, really beneficial routine, with those two things.

7:13 Like, even if you dedicated just, you know, ten minutes. Yeah. You did some yoga breathing, you know, you did some meditation, you did some stretching kind of the day before, like at night, kind of square away your schedule for the next day. Like, this is actually how I, when I, when I decided I'm going to be very productive.

7:30 This is how I do it actually is like I go in the night before and I go into my calendar and I do my time blocking. That's right. What do you do? 45 minutes at Dean. Minutes. I, I tried I try to do somewhere around an hour because that's what works best for me. I know that that's not recommended.

7:47 I mean, do whatever works for you, though. Usually when I'm into my tasks, the way my brain works, I get kind of fixated. That's my way of, like, you know, kind of mute your phone. Do not disturb. Yeah. You know, and then just start. That's for me. That's the thing. It's like starting. So if I use the time blocking on the calendar, once I get started, I can go almost forever.

8:07 Cool. So I do the hour. Our loop, you know, for just health. You don't just sit there, sit there, sit there. Right. So, And I try to, I try to do, like, a chore or small task between the, the blocks. Okay. So what I do is like an hour of something like, say, reading or studying for something or whatever.

8:25 Yeah, whatever. I have time blocked off programing, and then I'll take a break and it'll be like dishes. So, like, what I'll do the day before is I'll make the actual chore list that I interweaves and my break cycle. Yeah. Because I feel good when I get like, micro things done, you know, like. Yeah, like feed bets, you know, walk the dog that get that little dopamine hit of accomplishing something.

8:47 Yes. So then, like, I feel good coming back from my break, which is something usually physical, like a chore. Yeah. And you've taken that break from mentally. Physically. Right. Exactly. That's what works really well for me. And then in the morning, actually stretch and meditate about my day that I that have time blocked the night before. That's cool.

9:06 So when I enter into a really highly productive phase in my life, that's how I always do it. That's awesome. And then when I was running a business back in the day with my friend Sean, know if you know him, I met him. He lives in Australia now. Yeah. But, we went through a phase where, this is before 911, and I joined the military.

9:25 We went through a phase where our business was very productive. Right. So, like our we were making a lot of money. Cool. And, what I would do is I would do the same exact thing. The time block would be. Would this like stretching meditation morning combined with some exercise? Right. And then I would, first thing in every day of the business day, I would focus on the money aspect of the business.

9:45 Like, I would block off the first 1 hour or 2 hour cycle to be your accountant. Yeah. To explicitly focus on, focus on the cash flow for the business. Cool. Right. So I, like, make the money matters the first thing of every day. Okay. You know, and that might mean, like, emailing someone out to collect or, you know, that owed to collect, starting up new business, you know, everything, all that stuff and that initial focus.

10:12 Because, like, you're you're kind of bright and ready for the day. So that initial focus like that is huge. Like it becomes define it. It's really really really huge. So like this for example we're doing the podcast, you know like you've described as edifying before. Yes. You know and so we use this kind of like as a meditative morning.

10:33 All you. And I've also noticed that really it's, honed and refined to my communication skills at work. I'm a lot faster at processing ideas and what people throw at me, and I'm a lot faster at responding. And, Oh, yeah, that's huge. And that's good to hear. Yeah, it's it's great. It's, and, you know, it's like I was always pretty good and dynamic in conversations at work, but I really feel like I'm fat.

11:04 I'm that much faster. And I get there a lot quicker than I used to. Yeah. I have a real fan of, like, rapid communication, getting ideas out quickly. And I love fast talking people because I can hang. Yeah, always. Like no matter how fast somebody talks, I can usually hang with it. And you know, I was always pretty good with it.

11:22 You know, I kind of pride myself on that, but I feel like it's gotten better. Yeah. That that idea of kind of like, massive barrage of ideas, kind of like this, this really rapid fire brainstorming. It's like so exciting to me. I love that it's amazing. And, you know, it's and what I like doing also is the rapid fire brainstorming with a small group.

11:41 But I like to also kind of try to make sure that everybody is being heard. Everybody's included the ideas and get built on every idea gets a full treatment. Yeah, that's that's really fun. That mentioned that being your job, just being like this think tank that just goes from one top to the next and just with people that are bright.

12:00 We were talking about that at work. We were talking about the, because we came up with these ideas. We had like an idea session surrounding blockchain and technologies that I already talked about. And, we were like, yeah, we should just be a think tank for Wells Fargo because we had a we had revamped the infrastructure in this, this vault and everything.

12:25 And we were doing that again yesterday gracefully having like a collective architecture discussion. Yeah. That's awesome. So, not to not to like, insert myself, but by all means, call me up sometime and ask me to drop by. I'd come in for free and help. You know, I run a nonprofit that's about education. Yeah. True. Yeah. And,

12:45 And ideas. Right. And so, I have usually have a out of the box, some out of the box contributions. Well, yeah. And you're well versed in all things it as well. I mean, you know, we were talking about, I guess just the sample of the architecture we were talking about. We have this,

13:06 DNS management platform called info Blocks. Yeah. And, we were like, well, how can we make it more redundant? We were just like, okay, we have a couple of physical Linux servers with 768GB of Ram. Let's turn these things into virtualization platforms with KVM or RH from Red hat. And then let's do, let's set up a H, a pair between two windows VMs for info blocks, basically in the, in the VM infrastructure itself.

13:42 And you do like an active active thing. That's cool. We should turn that little clip into a YouTube video and then have a translation underneath a translation guide for normal people. Right. What did he just say? Right. This is what he said. And this is what it means. Yeah, it it's really not that complicated when I don't use acronyms, right?

14:05 Yeah. It's like have two instances of info blocks and both of them are at the same time and sync their data. And then when when one fails we go to the other one. Yeah. Dude. That's that's like super cool. It is. I actually do understand it, but it, it's super cool creative use of the of that those resources.

14:25 But at the same time it would be really interesting to like have a complete layman in your group, someone that's like, outside looking in, right, right. That can ask the naive questions because you're like, help me. Definitely. Because you know, what happens all the time in it talks is you start talking on this like on a periphery, right?

14:44 And some of the basic core stuff gets completely overlooked because you all are past that mentally. Yeah, yeah. And and that's the thing our, our lab and the tooling in it is so basic. So we haven't really gotten anything crazy yet. You know that rubber ducky idea? Yeah. Where you talk to the rubber ducky? Yeah, because you have to explain it to the duck, you know?

15:06 And then by explaining something out loud, it causes your brain to work a little differently. Yeah. And then you see the problem differently. And a lot of times it leads to a solution kind of idea. Right. So sometimes just explaining the full process that you're trying to unfurl, having the naive.

15:22 Person. Yeah. The rubber ducky. Really. Yeah. So there's sometimes and you know, I would say 99% of times isn't true, but sometimes having an IT manager that's not it or that can benefit. I could see that if they if they manage correctly. Yeah. But my overall experience is, is that technologically naive IT managers are terrible a horrible the worst thing in the world unless they are the ultimate in people.

15:47 People. And they can still somehow recognize talent. Yeah. And have the uncanny ability to clearly listen. Yeah. And trust later than what your IT minions are saying. Yes. And trust. Trust and back them up. Yeah. And like me, you know you shouldn't say things to your non IT manager saying that you have no business being on that side of the desk.

16:10 Oh shit. You know, those are the kind of things that don't win you favor. No, no it doesn't curry favor to be like look you don't deserve your job. Yeah. Being like, you know, I have no idea why you're on that side of the desk. I actually said that. Oh, shit. One of my managers. Oh, well, because it was just frank and honest.

16:28 Yeah, right. It is. It is because he was always like, you know, how long is this going to take? And I would give a great estimate at the time, like, that's too long. Well, then you can't have the product. Like you can't just invent time. Yeah, right. And the thing is the phrase that's too long. You wanted me to back up my estimate, right?

16:45 Why can't you back up your two? That's too long. That's a great point. I wish I had used that point. That's that's that's fantastic. So what I would do is I would give like, from my experience, I would give what I perceived as very accurate estimates of the time block like that would be required to to to achieve always not so well defined function x.

17:05 Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's a more defined thing. I've got to bring it to fruition okay. This is how long I think it might take. Right. So I sketch up on the back of a napkin, you know, the whole, basic specifications of what this thing is going to do. Yeah. Formalize that into, like, a basic, you know, 1.0 beta version of the specs.

17:25 Right. And then send that back for review. Like, is this what we're talking about? You know, I kind of based on our discussion, this is what I think you're saying you want. Right. And then invariably it would come back of oh yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's it. You got it. You know like like because I'd add in the things that, fill in the blanks that had to be filled out.

17:44 Right? Right. Like what technology you were using and why? Reason for an ill specify to, you know, a decent set of requirements that somebody might actually be able to implement. Yeah. I'll give you a specific example, is that they wanted on the internet a photo library of the different facility. Because I was in this one, I was working for Atrium Health, which was formerly Carolinas Healthcare.

18:04 Yeah, I was I worked there five years as a, you know, advanced senior level programmer. Nice. And, I was I was on special projects and, just because that's where they found my talents to be best utilized. Yeah, yeah. You were the you were an innovator that got brought in the special projects, right. And so I, I rolled out about 50, like, novel.

18:25 Applications while I was there, probably something like that about a five year timeline. A lot of them were small, you know, processes, cron jobs, things like that, that I would invent and implement. Yeah. And then, but some of them, like, were really huge project like I built this reporting dashboard that was just freaking massive, like massive.

18:43 And that thing was I, I could do a whole podcast, but you know, more. No one wants to do it. But it turned out to be a really useful tool for the company. Right. So anyway, one of the special projects was they had me build a photo database of various facilities, and there's about 30 or so major facilities and a bunch of like MLB medical office buildings, you know, so the wrinkles around this, these campuses, you know, so I organized, photos and media for each one of the main campuses, under different ways to sort it.

19:15 So like you sort by campus, you can sort by name, you can sort by, you know, all these different things. Okay. And then it would pull up all the media that we had, relevant to those things. So talking about a huge photo project, I had to go through sounds and photos. Wow. And, they gave you a completely unorganized set of media.

19:36 You had to organize the media and then structure a project around searching it. Yes. So I was able to take advantage of Exif data that was on all the JPEG. Yeah, man, that's what I was going to say. Did they had the metadata? All those they did, I didn't even know they did. And so was able to locate that and use the use Google Maps API.

19:57 Yes. I had to do that at home because it was like, a home user rather than, you know, business because the business license was huge to use it. And, there, you know, no way I was going to get a budget for a, for that because it was it was really expensive at the time. So basically I just did it at home and, ran each pictures, geolocation across Google Maps to get coordinates.

20:19 Right? Yeah. And then use those coordinates to identify which campus it was in, you know, nice and a bunch of other stuff from there, like a bunch of other things. I was able to, match up like, so a photographer would go to one of, one of the cities, take a bunch of pictures. Well, those pictures, the date timestamp would be around the same time.

20:39 So I use the, just intelligence to to say that, you know, that person obviously wasn't on campus A and campus B within the same hour. Right, right. So there's able to use the time stamp to then fill in blanks for other keywords and tags that I could put on the photos. Okay. And so, after writing the routine, took me about 3 or 4 days to write all the routine.

20:59 I was able to get 95% of all the pictures located there, and then the other 5%, you know, was wasn't too hard to, surmise where it came from. Yeah, based on visual. And then I used some of the Python tools for image matching. Oh, some other things. That's the AI tools really weren't robust zero today, so I wasn't able to really roll that into it.

21:21 Right. But I was able to use like statistics to, to like match the photo to, what it most likely is. Cool. Man. I wrote that one in another day. So like four days in I've, I've, I've managed to take pictures and get them. Yeah, yeah. So then using all that tag data I was then able to post them and post them onto this like general forum where the upper brass of the company can look through it.

21:45 Cool. And they could add their own comments and keywords to the pictures. Right? So basically it was just a keyword tagging, you know, working working with the database, just keyword tagged each photo. Each photo was ID'd in the database with a file name. And it's, you know, it's a meta data. Yeah. And yeah. So next thing you know, I spin up this, like, full photo gallery.

22:08 Way to view different media that we have. And you can download the full original high res photos. So I used the G.D. tools to make the, the thumbnails. Right. Nice. The various sizes of each image. Yeah, right. And then I had the source image, which was the full resolution. Right. And some of these were frigging don't do like they were taken by airplane.

22:27 Wow. Some of them were like, right. Like they'd hire a plane to go fly over the facilities. Oh, that's. So it was like the bird's eye. Yeah, but all high resolution. It was actually really cool. So awesome. And so then this is the best feature of my program is you can put the photos in in chronological order and see how the facility has changed over time.

22:46 Oh, that's cool as hell. So you had a really large corpus of photos for every facility. Absolutely. And so some of them were historic too, like going back to the 20s and 30 40s. And so basically, you could take the go to a campus or a particular facility, filter it by that, and then sort of chronologically and see the full evolution of the building over time.

23:07 Right. In some cases it was like full demo rebuild. Wow. So you can see like what it was back in the day, So anyway, the, the, the top dog and the city's management team was like, heads over heels. Oh. Loved it, loved it. Like like salivating at the mouth at how awesome this tool was. Right. And he's like, I got to meet the guy that made this.

23:28 Yeah. So he meets me and I explained, like, you know, how I did some of the stuff and he's just, like, wowed, right? He's like, this is incredible. He's like, I'm so excited to show this. Right. So, I go to the boss and say, the problem with this is that this thing doesn't live on an official web server.

23:46 This just lives on, on on my desktop. Oh, shit. Right. Because I don't have you have never given me access to an official internet web server. Yeah, right. So I told the boss, there's like, there's caveats here. Like, if my computer is asleep and, you know, or whatever is off, no one can access the service. Yeah, I don't have admin rights on my computer to to wake the computer and someone requests.

24:08 Right. So, so the whole the whole system is vulnerable because it's not served properly. Yeah, right. Because it basically went from prototype to production. Within a week or two. Right. It was on your laptop? Yeah. Where? On my desktop. Yeah. Okay. But you might as well on my laptop. Right? Yeah. So, anyway, I saw the boss.

24:29 The boss is like, you know, not an IT boss. It's like, okay, whatever. You gotta gotta. Rolls his eyes. Doesn't care. Right? And then I'm out to lunch. My computer is locked. Yeah. Goes to sleep. Okay. And the boss is in a meeting trying to show off the the deal, and he can't do it. I do this.

24:49 This was like, you know, a show all. Yeah. Yeah. They're cool. It's like three weeks into I watched Beverly Hills with Megan, like, 50 times when she was younger. Yeah. A little Chloe dog, like, you know, it's like they anthropomorphize the animals and. Yeah, like, she's just loving it as a little kid. Set her up with a little juice box and her crackers, you know, or animal crackers.

25:12 Yeah, man. Which is kind of funny because you're eating a dog. I various animals. This is just great. While you're watching a movie about anthropomorphic rising. So it's almost like cannibalism. But anyway, you know, I mean, I digress. At least intellectual cannibalism. Yeah. So this boss, right, like that just didn't listen to me at all. Right. All of a sudden, the big boss is calling.

25:33 I'm out at lunch and my phone's blowing up like, what the hell? And my boss calls is like, what did you do? And what did you do? Wow. Like what? What what's going on? He's like, you know, I don't want to name the person who's like, you know, such and such. The big boss is like, in in the meeting, trying to show the website and it's down.

25:49 I'm like, no, go wiggle the mouse on my computer and I'll give you my login and start up the server. And he had no idea what that meant. Like, I had to explain. I was like, the whole thing runs on my computer, my computer. I'm at lunch and my computer is asleep right now. Right. So he goes over here, wiggles my mouse.

26:06 I give him when she should never do. But he came in a password, right? But, I mean, you know, what else would you have done? Yeah. So, you know, go back and change your password. Do the right, right, right. You know. So anyway, the, that saved the day, but, you know, then finally, the big boss is like, comes down.

26:23 It's like, what the hell? So, you know, try to go saying, oh, just give me a blank screen, you know, kind of pissed. And I was like, well, you know, I kind of kind of press this issue previously. Yeah, I drove Apple. Yep. It needs to be on official web server to be hosted permanently. A production forward facing internet web server.

26:42 Yeah. You know, so I just need some permission to get a slice on one of those. You know, there's some requirements. Yeah, yeah, I'm running PHP version, blah blah blah. Yeah. And so they ended up giving you something like, you know, they set up their engine accident or whatever and gave you a. Yep. Yeah. So then they gave me, finally put it on a production server that was internet facing within the dress.

27:08 Oh, I posted everything up on there. Like, I designed it to, of course, be served on a official web server. Yeah. So, basically just put the files over, changed a couple of configurations, everything. Bam. Working just fine. Cool. And then, I added to it a small API so that all the other, systems on the, on the network could then access via the API.

27:33 The you guys have a place where you had to register your APIs? We we do. No. Back then it was, you know, APIs were still kind of new. Yeah. So basically, I just I just did a mapping to basic, you know, it was like the most basic version of API you can imagine. Yeah. You know, let you retrieve information from your service.

27:56 Yeah. Then I was able to help create hooks into aka boss and some of the other things. So like, oh, nice. So they could add right into the main display of a campus. Yeah. Photos of the building. Yeah. Yeah. So I was able to make like a little retrieval tool to do that. That's cool as hell and help implement it.

28:12 Yeah. So overall, it was about a month total of effort, and I was able to do all that in about a month. Yeah. And, Morning. So with the big boss, I went from, like, a guru hero to, like, the worst person in the planet to guru hero again. Like to to almost hero level again. Right. Yeah. Just a tad below where you live.

28:33 Take. But if the middle management boss that didn't that had some kind of it understanding where it actually listened. I could have saved Guru Hero the whole time. Right, right. And that's the thing, you know, it he never quite probably internalized his role in the whole thing either. Absolutely. And didn't listen at all to the idea that it might not be available.

28:55 The service might not be available. It's on a local desktop. We just thought it was some IT nerd prattling on with unfounded fears. Yeah. And I said, at a minimum, what we can do is we can put my computer into always on, you know, from the. And that was like over his head. Yeah. He kept saying the same thing.

29:14 Oh, God, I hate this phrase. This day is like, oh, I'm a high level person. Oh, oh, your high level. Oh, yeah. Like, I need this. I need the 300 zero foot view of things because I'm high level. I can't get in the weeds. And so that translates to me is like I'm not smart enough to understand detail.

29:30 I mean, that really is it. And it's like, you know, if I give you the 30,000ft view, we're not always working on the 30 zero zero foot view level guy. I'm never at the 30,000 view level except for in concept and design. Yeah. Always down in the weeds programing the small, nuanced things that have to be that right?

29:47 That build each pixel of that 30,000ft view. Yes. Yes. No. Because, hey, if you want the 300 zero foot view, someone has to descend to a lower level to build what you see on your 30,000ft view, you dick. Yeah. I have to give that one, boss one credit, because he kept saying to me all the time something along the lines of I'm too big for the for this job.

30:10 Like, yeah, he was like, hey, you deserve something more. Yeah. It's like you're you're just to. The way you think is, is beyond, you know. Right. The boundaries of what we get, what we're giving you. Yeah. And what you're doing with your your role. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like, well, I'd appreciate that, you know. So, so the guy, you know, at least did from time to time recognize, you know, that that I had a lot to offer.

30:33 And it also seems like it could have been a slightly backhanded way to say you're hard to manage. Absolutely. Yeah. 100%. 100%. It was. He would never say something like that. That wasn't a loaded comment. Now, this is bizarre to I went out to his house and actually worked on some of his personal stuff and even during work hours, worked on a couple of his personal projects.

30:54 Jesus. Because, you know, he knew I could do anything, get get anything done. You know. Right, right. And so, the big boss and he, both lived both had a cabin up on this mountain, like, you know, there's, like, their second home type thing that they were going to retire to. Right. Right. And so I love it because the the big boss had literally the cabinet, the very top of the mountain.

31:16 That's so funny. And then he had the cabin, like the bitch cabin like down on the crown of the mountain, like, lower and smoke. Yeah, exactly. And it it really just encapsulated the, where they were on the ladder. He was willing to, like, translate that into his retirement, like. So he was okay with the idea of, like, I'm always never this man's shadow.

31:37 Yeah. Yeah. Literally. I could never be like that. I could never do that. Well, the thing is, I just don't understand why you'd have the same aspiration. It was bizarre and, well, like. Okay, you can imagine, like, brown nosing, taking to its extremes. Yeah. And this guy built a career on masterminding the the the brown nosing principles. Right, right.

31:58 And so he would to the point where his identifying. Right. Like like he just permeates every facet of his personal personality. Yes. Every action is geared toward brown nosing. Yes, exactly. And even to the point where he'd be willing to take a retirement where he's still, like, in that shadow. Right? Oh, because. Because within the context of the career, this guy, like, have the big boss like having his boy, you know what I mean?

32:23 Right. Like carried over. And it was, it was brown nosing to the to the, I'm not wanting I might run into, you know, big boss number one as the at the store or whatever. Yeah. Yes. Right. And, like, just creepy. Creepy at the end of the day, really stupid. And also, like, how, what's the word?

32:46 Emaciated or whatever the word is? We're like, you've been diminished as a human being. Yeah, yeah, he's just been. Yeah, it's it's very reductionist. It's very. There you go. The reductionist. That's a good. And so this, experience. I'm over at this guy's house working on some of this personal projects, sticking six up his PCs and stuff because I didn't know how to do all that shit, right.

33:08 So he's like, you know, what do I owe you for doing this? You know, because it was outside of business. So said, come on, dinner. You know, just a company with your family. It's fine. You know, see it. So anyway, outside of work. Coolest dude to sit down and have a beer with. Oh. That's cool. So he was and treated me completely differently outside of the.

33:22 All right. I had a boss like that. It's a and it was it. You see. What that was like cool factor. Sit down and be like. Yeah. Like he was really cool. Outside of work. Inside of work. He was the non it guy. Yeah. Yeah. He was a developer though. That's what bothered me. So he was a like that's what he did.

33:50 He would come up with concepts and ideas and develop the software and technologies for the company that they were going to spin off from. Unk okay. So he's a really big idea guy. He really knew how to develop in a few different languages, but beyond that had no clue of it. Yeah, well, I've got I've run into so many people like that, because they can come up with cool concepts and, like, do enough of the development to get it, get something rubber band and tape together.

34:19 That's working. That's it. And then they think that that's like the final how it needs to be from the ocean. And they're not even close. Like you look at their coding you're like no. Yeah. And so before he became my boss, he would come to me and be like, okay, so we need I've come up with version 1.0, the infrastructure on my laptop, as you said.

34:40 Here we go. And then he'd be like, I need a server that you can put this on. And whatever became my boss, it got so funny you'd go from, you know, spinning up the server to, I really wish I could get in there and help you guys break down those servers. That's what he would say all the time.

34:56 It's like we're not breaking down. Shit, man. Stay in your lane. Yeah. Like. Right. Totally. Oh, totally. But. Yeah. And he was just. He was so he he was really the unicorn guy. He was like the the ultimate brown noser. Really cool to hang out with outside of work. A pretty decent developer. And he was spinning off all these companies and getting shared, you know, shares for it and getting paid way more than a lot of developers that were getting paid.

35:25 He was getting paid over 100,000 a year. Hey, nice. Very fun and niche. Good friend. Yeah. Sounds like he had a value. So he did ahead tell you? He did. But it was like it was the night part. That was a little annoying. Yeah. Oh, wait. I have encountered so many people like that. And then, I'm really good at rapidly spinning up like a prototype that's working.

35:45 Yeah, I've learned how to do that over the years. And so, that could be a huge, huge problem if you don't communicate up front that this is not the system. Right? Right. You gotta fail you. How many times people have, like, wanted, like, in fact, commanded me to put a prototype into production? You know, and I'm kicking the screaming the whole way.

36:07 It's like, no, it is not ready for that. There's no load balancing. There's no, you know. Yeah. Look, we haven't architected the how it's all going to work and, you know, like, it's not ready for just just because it can serve a page. Does it mean it can handle, you know, 3000 users in five minutes? Exactly. That's a completely different beast, you know?

36:28 Yeah. And so I can't tell you how many times. Wow. I then had to, like, work day or day and night endlessly to spin up because they're like, hey, it has to be done by Friday. And it's Tuesday after day. Yeah. Or just no push to put what you have into production and then we'll, we'll sort out from there type mentality.

36:46 Yeah. You know and but it's not like you just copy. You got to do you got to think about the architecture. 85% of the way to put what you have in production. Exactly. Exactly. And so then, you know, at the end of the day, I learned my lesson there and would just, just kick my like, I would make the prototype be the production, like in the future.

37:05 Like I learned to start at least making it hybrid, right where you don't have the work already. Yes. So like start the basic development from a production mindset. Yeah. Rather than ever bothering making a rapid prototype. Right. Like, because they. Will it be time to take a rapid prototype to production. Ready. So you have to just be production ready from go.

37:25 Exactly. And so I, I would then, you know, that's back in the day when we had like literally three boxes dev test fraud. Yeah. Well we do similar architecture still. And so I would just have those three boxes be mirrored. You know, the yeah. Their set up would be mirrored. And so I would just start developing remotely in death.

37:42 Yeah. Not allow config drift between the three. Yeah. And then my prototypes, I spin up and tests and then when they said yes, you know, post that as soon as possible, I would just push the product. Yeah. So, like, I just started making prod production ready. Software from the beginning. Just saying fuck it. If it's another week that they have to wait, at least I'm not.

38:03 Then up night and day, right? Trying to make something production ready. That was just a prototype. Yeah. That is so awesome. You know, and then by gosh, going back in hindsight, it's like, what an idiot I was to to do all that extra effort. Like, you know, I allowed myself to be led by the nose. Yeah. Coming years.

38:20 Yeah. And but, I mean, if you want to pull a positive out of it, you learn from it. You changed your work. Your methodology and your personal workflow to accommodate their. My vision and idiocy. Yeah. And then you have this whole, like, university professor, like, I took a database class example, at the university level and, like, holy shit, half the stuff that the person was saying, the feature was saying, oh, it was, was, was not best practice at all.

38:52 Like, in fact, it's what not to do in many cases. You know, it was like, yeah, okay. The SQL server 2005, the way you're architecting this, you know, you're going to as a developer, you're going to kill yourself going for, you know, like N7 level normalization or something. Right. Like that's not how you do it. You know, it would run you through all these normalization steps and they would be always half assed and they'll specified.

39:22 But if you know the query, you're going to have to write to get that, to get that, third level, you know, consistently now in every oh my God, you're basically then creating a series of views, that are grabbing a tremendous number of tables and then writing queries off the view. That's why, you know, to go ahead and speak disparagingly of my alma mater.

39:46 They suck. Yeah. Just it's checked the block. Learning. Yeah. It really is. And, you know, I really realized that my last year there, when they tried this flipped class model. Yep. And it was like I was supposed to be learning PHP and MySQL and, you know, the whole stack, right? Yep. And, she's like, yep, yep. Watch these YouTube videos.

40:13 Yeah. And then teach herself how to program and then come back to class. And we're going to have a five minute discussion. I was like, fuck you. Yep. What am I paying to have an instructor for? Yeah. You know. Yep. Yeah. There's, Oh, gosh. I watched this really cool YouTube video of a history, professor. And, it's it's not normally my favorite topic, but, the history professor was talking about slavery.

40:42 Oh, that's. And the topic of the video is when did slavery end? Right. Say never. Well, you know, he he explained right on what he means by that. Oh, yeah. He he said he he said, okay, let's define our terms. And then, then I can tell you when this definition ended, right. Yeah. Basically. And then, he used, he picked on Prager University.

41:12 Online university. Yeah. Right. And, I don't know how he was able to do it for fair use or whatever. Maybe. Maybe, commentary, I don't know, but he took some of their course content and, was showcasing why it was so horribly wrong. Yeah. Like, not only to, not only to produce that content, but to say that that's how it really is.

41:35 Gotcha. And so, Yeah. Anyway, long story short, he's breaking it down. He's like, you know, this is this is atrocious. The standard, public school slash university, public university version of American the. I hope it's not the same in other countries, you know. Well, yeah. It's like, you know, he didn't necessarily get much into whitewashing, but he's like, basically this idea that this is how this particular concept is depicted, right?

42:09 And taught and disseminated to everybody is absolutely horrible. Yeah. And here's the truth on how this whole thing actually played out. That's awesome. I love those kind of. Yeah. And so he no longer works as a history professor because of these reasons. Right. He was like, I realized that I was teaching the wrong stuff for years. And then when I actually did the real learning of how this history really, I went back unlearned and learned it enough to present it to you.

42:38 100%. That's exactly it. And so how many times have you gotten into a class at an advanced level, and they've actually gone ahead and said something like that? Yeah. Like take everything that you've ever learned in the past about this and throw it out because you're gonna learn how it really is now. Yes. And you're like, what the motherfucker?

42:53 What did I learn it for? The. Exactly like the the model of the atom, you know? Shit. Yeah. So, like, you start off proton, neutron, electron. Right. Right. Worry about the Niels Bohr. Yeah. The Bohr model, where it's like, you know, little orbitals of the electrons in different on shells and, and it's like, well, we needed enough energy in introducing the system to make the electron jump to the next level.

43:16 And you make some equations and you feel like you have some kind of understanding, and then you get into a college level course about the same topic. And it's not even nothing is like that. Like everything has changed. So that was a model with lots of abstraction and detail hiding. There you go. And now we have reality. Yeah.

43:37 It's like what happens in the supercollider, right? And what is how is it really the best of our knowledge? Composed. Yeah. It's nowhere close to, the Bohr model at all. No, no. Yeah. And you find that out when you look at how the atom smasher works and what falls out of it when you smash them and, and and also let's, let's, you know, tip our hat to that.

43:59 This is all still being trying to understand. Yeah. Yeah. This is not this is not to the level where it's a law. You know what I just wish is that when they're teaching the Bohr model or one of the primitive models, knowing that it's not like that in reality because they never. Yeah, it'd be to us. This isn't the way it really is, right?

44:21 It'd be nice to say we're teaching it this way to give you the foundational understanding of what you're going to modify later. Yeah. Then modify it later. That'd be cool. Well, just show it to show that the more detailed version that's over one's head. Yeah. But you still put it out there that there's a much more complex understanding.

44:39 Yeah, yeah. It's like, look, this is your entry into the subject. We had to hide some details. Yeah, the curriculum at Fisk grade. Right? Yeah. Shows that we teach it this way. And so this what you're going to learn? But. But no. Right. Right of the gate. You'll learn later in your career. There is much due for a version of this.

44:58 Some teachers would tell us that. No metrics for middle school. They would be like, you know, hey, as you go into deeper courses, this is going to change. You should have seen these kids. What were they? Middle school level kids, seventh graders. I was doing from one of my internships for education degree. I actually explained planetary body movement.

45:18 Oh, that's cool as hell. And actually explained it to, like, a way that the kids can understand. So I set up an actual lamp to represent the sun. Right. And then I showed how the moon goes around the Earth and how it's tidally locked. Explain that concept. And they were all blown away to realize that a day wasn't really 24 hours.

45:35 Nice. The 24 hours has a correction factor. Right. Yeah. It's not one revolution of the earth. It's that plus a little bit of a of an arc to compensate for how much of it swept the one 300 and 65.25 arc length that was swept. There's wobble on the axis right by the orbit. And so 24 hours is is not an actual one rotation of the Earth.

46:01 That's all one rotation of the Earth plus a correction factor. So that that same part of the Earth is facing the sun again. Otherwise every six months Am and PM would swap. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? If a day was one rotation of the Earth. Right? Right. And so I explained that to him. And why? Right. And that's why you need something like an algorithm to figure out when the next sunrise is going to happen, or sunset is going to happen.

46:26 Right? Exactly. As the myth and the, the zenith and then the perigee and the procession, all these things start to come into focus when you understand the actual how the earth rotates on the sun and how the Earth rotates once every 24.1 hours or whatever. Yeah. You know, that's actually one. Rotation is less than 24 hours is one rotation.

46:48 The 24 hours is is a compensation for, like I said, the the angle. So that the angle is a correction factor there has to be built in or else, like I said, every six months of the swapping a and then that would just be weird. Well in the summertime midnight is is bright is noon. That's weird. It's really weird when you go to southern hemisphere in, the seasons are backward.

47:09 Right now we're fucking weird. I'm sure that is really odd. And then, on top of that, you know, going to the North Pole of the South Pole or close enough to it that you can see the effects of, you know, it being light for a week, for two weeks? Yes. That's great. We're dark for two weeks here.

47:29 I've seen a time lapse video of that and like, wow, that's so cool. Yeah. Like, the sun never sets, right? It just gets close to the horizon. Yeah. Right. And sound weird. Sam was saying even in Alaska, where he lived, you get to turn it. Yeah, it's almost like another planet type shit. Yeah. Yeah. But, you could perpetually stay in summer and summer.

47:47 In spring and summer, you could, you know, have a vacation home in southern hemisphere or second homes in the hemisphere, and then every six months, swap back and live the rest of your life. Live your favorite season? Yeah. No matter what it was, I just refuse to experience another winter. Fuck it. I'm tired of it. Because I grew up up north.

48:05 And I don't ever want to look at a snow shovel again. So now you live in Chile and in the US. There you go. Yeah. So that's obtainable. You know, it's part of a retirement plan. You can say, I always want to live in spring and summer. Yeah. Now why am I. I want to just be able to garden year round.

48:23 You know, pretty cool idea. Yeah. And then, set up a set up. Another family for the Ironman idea will probably be ravaged by global warming, but.

48:35 Yeah, you'll be looking for a winter somewhere. Yeah. That's not underwater. Right? Did you see the models for, like, the the the the highest levels of sea rise? Predictions are just so scary. Are they? Oh, my God, you're talking about, like, 3 billion climate refugees. Oh my God. Because of how many cities are on coastal. Oh, if if the full extent of, like, global warming isn't thwarted in it all plays out in the full, high winds?

49:02 Yeah. When you take the highest predicted model, like the one that's like the worst case scenario right now. Right. And you project in the level three rise. Google has a tool using Google Earth. You can actually have a slider and show sea rise. And it shows which part of the coast just disappears. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. And, you know, if you, if you take the worst case scenario model, which unfortunately keeps turning into the model.

49:28 Right, right. Because there's, there's all these holistic feedback mechanisms that the people that do the modeling have haven't been able to integrate. Yeah. And then when they integrate them, they get these even worse predictions. And then that's matching the reality. Oh. So they're like, oh shit. You know this is a this is like doomsday scenario. But the idea like in 30 years that there's 3 billion climate refugees is awful.

49:50 That's game changer. Like that's, that's that's, the gale of creative destruction gone awry. That's the gale of, unfortunate destruction. Anyway, our consequences have come home to roost, unfortunately. We'll leave it there.