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In this free-flowing and unfiltered conversation, hosts Kris Tyte & Sean Snodgrass are joined by Lindsay, creating a brand new, brilliant group dynamic. Join us as we explore internet culture, from cross-eyed e-girls to in-depth discussions on grief processing, symbolism, and the power of satire. It's a hilarious and unexpectedly touching journey.

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“Jovial pseudo-intellectual was the nighttime says or, you know, just a jovial, intellectual ride if we're feeling generous.”
— Sean Snodgrass
Self-deprecating description of the show's brand as "jovial pseudo-intellectuals" acknowledging they present as smart and happy while being self-aware about their limitations.
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“There's a specific name for it for always noticing repeat numbers like 222 or 11... you start noticing that you're noticing them and you start noticing them.”
— Lindsay Nelson & Kris Tyte
Explanation of pattern recognition and confirmation bias - how assigning significance to repeated numbers makes you notice them more frequently.
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“The bald eagle is such a really perfect symbol... it's very extinct... its whole existence is precarious... all the signs of the end of empire are, like, converging upon us.”
— Kris Tyte
Analysis of bald eagle as apt symbol for America - both species and nation being vulnerable to collapse due to environmental and structural instabilities.
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“If there was a way to like, wave a magic wand... and make it to where all of a sudden people drop all shields and they're just like, full on, could you imagine? But the chaos, but also the larger anarchy, but pure bliss.”
— Kris Tyte
Hypothetical scenario where everyone communicates completely authentically without social filters acknowledging both the chaos and liberation this would create.
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“We're all the main character of our own story... And so I have to know that perspective. I have to know everything about you and the character that you're playing right now to really understand the true group dynamic. That's impossible.”
— Kris Tyte
Philosophical insight about the impossibility of fully understanding group dynamics because everyone operates from their own subjective main character perspective.

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Because it did. The telling factor is that when I have no glasses on, my eye goes like this, right, I cross it. This is on a lazy I knew I was. I think these days is called a me girl or something. Oh my God. God, I don't know what you're talking about. No. Bad. There's this puzzle. Something like call the devil that is like a internet girl.

Like, electronic girl, I guess. Okay. Right. And apparently it's just like a young kawaii kind of, Hello, Kitty. Wears headphone ears on them. Got things that, like, plays ridiculously like young, juvenile, innocent. But then really is, like hellacious, not innocent. The the woo the woo woo. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, no, what's what's that guy's name who pretends Vlad.

Vladimir. He pretends to be a girl. Oh, wow. And that he's like, what are you talking about? So he gets she's like, you know, how are you? Oh, yes. I look like Bobby. Who are you talking to? That's hilarious. Of my favorite videos to watch. Okay, so that's the general idea. Is that before he turns into this scary man.

That. That's scary Russian torturer type. But apparently there's like this, this cross-eyed pleasure thing. Oh you know that they do. Oh yeah. It's like some type of like I don't know. So when you're the grip of pleasure you're going to cross your eyes sort of thing. Well yes. It's like, you know, it's like, I mean to get on Omegle, I guess.

There we go. Oh my God. Chat roulette. Oh, not a good answer. How much of that should exist still? No, they did that on South Park. And like Kirby's gone through and he's like, you know, has Butters with him or somebody like roulette and he's like, you know, kind of with his dick out guy with his dick out.

Gotta stick out. Yeah. Like, oh, here's something. Oh, guy with a dig out. That's one thing Dan did that I always thought was weird. The omega. Yeah. But you know, it's like, man, is this really that interesting? Like you, you do meet some interesting people on there, but like 90% of the people as the guy with a stick out.

Right. I did it with him in one night, and it was. It was funny, but weird. Yeah. It's a very the the the penises were very plentiful. Wonderful. But they look.

Carnival. There's an a platform that I could be on. It wouldn't take me long to not be on if that's what standing by the way, y'all got, like a legit setup. Almost no more perk bench for us, right? Yeah. We're camping at a. It was a brewery that was closed. Yeah. Yeah. You got the job done. So we're going to just add the sound effects in.

So it's going to sound like we're walking even though gravel crunching underfoot. Garbage trucks following this drew the city re random dog barking. So we're like you're we. So we say we're at all these different places. But you hear the same dog barking. He just add the GTA backtrack to it. That's the whole dollar. Oh my god. Yeah that's great.

Yeah. And then everything we put out against copyright violation and then you we got kicked off of you too. We're not even sure why. Oh, yeah, that was right. It was completely random. There was no strikes, no anything. We didn't do anything wrong. You're like, you guys have a few thousand views. Fuck you. That was pretty good. You're is.

It seemed to me almost like you're growing to rapidly. You're breaking the rhythm. Yeah, yeah. Like people like your content. Too much. But it's because we, like, had this massive spike there. Like there's enough white men on YouTube. Guys, we gotta. There's plenty of pseudo on here. White people that they can know everything. Oh, yeah. That goes back to what's hurting our brand.

Hurting our brand? What's the. Yes. We're heavily diluting the YouTube brand. But, what was the, what was our two word elevator pitch? The dude studio intellectual? Yes. Jovial. Pseudo intellectualism or intellectual? Yes, I think this or or, you know, just a jovial intellectual, right. If we're feeling generous. Yeah. Okay. Yes. If we're doing delusional, says jovial intellectual ism, you're meaning like happy smart.

Yeah. Happy smart people. More people. It was. Which is we have to call it out because it's so rare. Usually, if you're smart, you aren't. You're in the land of blissful. You're my brother. Are.

No, no. His gate. So we had this funny thing yet that we came up with the other day is like, you know, there's like, proximity or, like, dog bark colors. It's like the shocks, the dog if they too closely invisible fence or whatever. Like, so it's like basically like this collar the dog wears. We're going to engineer one for me.

We're gonna is there one for Sean that's got a just a simple, you know, 30 cent little, chip on it. Right. That just has decibel reading. And what's silver level? That's why when I go out to eat with Sean, whenever I would go out to eat, we take them to a loud restaurant. Yep. Something with a band playing.

It's the best idea. The best idea. I fit in then. Yeah. He's, like, so comfortable. For some reason we went to a quiet and not your once and everyone.

Like, you know, it's like every syllable that man says reverberates off the rafters. I'm biased. We didn't get I'm surprised they didn't get more like noise violations in that Oprah compartment because we were not quiet. None of us were. I, I can do that like I can put on if I want to, like a really powerful man voice.

And I learned it while I was in the military. Yeah. Like or the kids do something, right? Yeah. Hey. Yeah, right. Until you get there really quick, you know? And, it works. Yeah, it works on animals. It works on children. On most adults. It's 11 later. Sorry. I had a story about that, but. Yeah. So, I, you know, I, I could do that too.

So I'm thinking of be a fun social experiment. If we go someplace like a IHOP or some shit, that doesn't matter that we'll never go to again. Right? And see if we can get. Let's go to I help on Cox Road. I have on Cox. I love calling them. I have on Cox. How can we help you? This isn't a confessional.

Well, I used to call it when Desiree worked so that she would have to say it to me. I.

Know I have no volume control either, like now I do in my elder years, but like I was younger, it was like ongoing. Knowing Lindsay, I'm right here. I'm right next to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. And now I get to like, belt it out because I worked at the Ren Fest and the mermaid.

Grotto in there, and I get to yell at people in British accent and I've never felt more seen. That's amazing. No matter how loud, how weird I got, how, like, sarcastic I got, the people were like my spell workers were like, yeah, I hate it when you told me that that was going to be your job starting, I was like, that's a beautiful job, right?

I mean, who would ever think that their, you know, issues that they have with, with Mojo voice modulation would turn out to sell mutton joints as a bar for at the Renaissance. Yeah. We ever know diving and you're a babe out here left and right. It helps. And what's funny is the one of the guys, he was like, hey, you know, do it for your stomach.

You're going to lose your voice. I'm like, buddy, I've been I've been preparing my whole life for this. And I don't get your message. Like, if I could do this ten hours a day. Yeah, I could love seeing, like, open up the journal of a ten year old girl. Right. And then there says, someday I will be. I will be working.

I will sell the Shelby a pirate. I'll be able to hire it, right. Or I sell this mermaid. She was so wonderful, this body young.

Orbison. So he called the shot collar thing that we invented yesterday. We called it the noise gate 3000. Right. So 3000 sounds sophisticated. It sounds powerful. You're right. That and then where he's gate is like that thing where it just clips noise after a certain over a certain decibel. And that really came about because now the we have a background filter that filters out like gravel and like garbage trucks and dogs barking.

That's part of our post process, and it clips my laugh every time I missed. So you hear the you hear this word like, yeah, I'm gonna get him one of those eggs that you can put in your house for dogs that, like, just gets out of high pitched noise when they get too loud. It's a little sounds like.

Yeah, well, he can hear me. Hear it. Yeah, well, they thought about it. They were talking about making something that was shocked me, and I was like, I would probably just get used to that. He'd be the dog that runs through the fence. Yeah. So I can't get back in. Yeah, nerds came back to get back in. And you have that, like, stubborn dog that's smart.

That just figures out if it keeps going, it stops on the other side, like so. Then the whole time thing that you trained it, you put it up to the invisible fence, the wire was buried and you shipped the flag, and you did all these little things to train the dog. Yeah. You know, you told it. No. And you use the boys.

They had this whole training video and how to train the dog. Right. And then you're like, for a few days, you're like, wow, this is going to change the game. And then you see the dog in the other side of the fence and you're like, oh, pull the whole thing up. It's rude now. And the dogs figure it out.

The fence won't be back. It's like coming up to go back to the exact, you know, it burns that just it can then endure that, suffer that little shock and then continue to mount the poodle. Next it was out of range. And it goes in, folks. The poodle. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And it's like somewhat even more accelerating because of the shark.

Yeah. It's like, well I got it I into that right. It's like new peak activity. You came back to me I didn't know I was into that. Yeah. It's like red rocket ready to go. Their friends poodle just Tommy, all kinds of new stuff.

I'm going to go see the beagle down the road now. Oh, there was this two hilarious poodle stories. Yeah. Oh, first tell the 1111 story is that I had relatives that, They're there. My grandma died years and years ago. And, you know, everyone has their own way of coping with death and the family and stuff like that.

But anyway, my three relatives would always notice when the time was like 222 or 1111 or. Yeah, those, those did it. What is that called the, the the repeated it. Yeah. There's a, there's like a special name for it for always noticing repeat numbers like 222 or 11. Yeah. Well well so they're all over the place. And so you start noticing you start noticing that you're noticing them when you start noticing them.

Right. So it's like that whole you realize you're noticing it when you've added some significance to it. So like you never had significance to it before you saw it, didn't think twice about it. But now every time you saw it, now that you've added significance to it now, now. Right, you're saying it like you never see a Camaro on the road, but suddenly Transformers comes out and now you see cameras everywhere.

Yeah, exactly. They're all canary yellow Camaro. Right. So as soon I were doing that with spoilers.

Like, I'm not kidding when you talk about like, how no cars have spoilers now. But then we started to see. She started seeing them. Yes, exactly. What do you have them have? Spoiler. And you know, part of that is there might be a specific name for it, but part of it is evolutionary advantage. I mean, we if you notice patterns, you're more likely to see a situation coming, react and survive.

Oh, every person on the planet sees patterns, right? Right. But our brains are hard wired to survive by identifying threats through pattern. And from what I understand specifically, faces. Yes. See faces everywhere. We have a huge amount of neurons dedicated to that. Neurodivergent tend to be better at recognition because they have more neurons devoted to pattern recognition than somebody of a neurotic brain would.

That's neat. I mean, it kind of makes sense. If you look through the bushes, you hear Russell in the bushes, and you look in there and, you know, leaves are coming together, a certain pattern, you see a face there and you get you get on guard. That's probably better than saying, oh, I hear the Russell in the bush.

It's probably nothing. And then get pounced. Oh yeah. Is it all be better to on the side of a positive affirmation that there's something potentially dangerous, that history and horror movies get a little shittier over time as you learn the patterns and tropes of movies, because you're able to predict these patterns and how they will go and blow up.

And the person really didn't get stabbed in the eyes. Special effects. And it's not as gruesome anymore, right? Right. Like like that movie hatchet were 250 people die on screen in four minutes. You're like, you're a. Yeah. So this 1111 thing is that my some of my relatives are like, you know. Oh, there it is again. There's two, two, two.

That's you know, mom used to always point out when the, when the clock had the same digits, you know, and I was like, well, you know, you ever think that doesn't make much sense? Just convert all your clocks to analog and.

You know, you won't ever notice, I guarantee. And so, like here I am in full asshole fashion, like using, you know, rationality and probability and talking to these people about, you know, it's just a coincidental. You're there's nothing here. You know, I'm, like, ruining this thing that they have this like, you know, it's it's it's it's mom from heaven, you know, like she's telling me.

She's reminding me she's there. Yeah, right. And so it's like this heartfelt apple, you know, innocent, you know, naive thing. And I'm like, you're like, let me tell you about these patterns. Yeah, yeah. Then really it's it's a core human skill. It's it's the reason we were able to develop mathematics. We recognize patterns. We were. It's the reason we dive into art and design because we recognize patterns in usage.

And and it's really it's it's the crux of what you uses to build and create. Oh, no. And I'm, I'm guilty of clinging on to those things myself. Like LSU that was buried on 1111. My tattoo places at 1111 Central Avenue. Like it's nice. Which ones that is it. Seven sent out there or who's out? It's a halo Halo years.

Okay. And there's seven distinct things or 11. And now 711 has a new class. I mean, he's just this just goes on, right? It's endless. So that's why it's so like, right after my dad died, I was sitting on my porch. I was real upset. I was just like, God, I wish like I'm so atheist, but if you could give me a fucking side.

Yeah, dude. And a fucking bald eagle flew through my yard, right? A bald eagle in South Carolina could have been anything, right? Right. It could have been anything. But I've never in my life seen a bald eagle in real life. True. Not in a zoo environment of some sort. Oh, the only time outside of, like, the lot of Plantation Raptor Center that I've seen one.

Right? Was it was a couple of years back. I showed up to see my grandparents, and my grandfather was like, he was. He got in the car because he wanted to see the car I rented. They upgraded me with this BMW. And so he's looking at all the things and he's playing with stuff and he's like, hey, want to go see a bald eagle?

I was like, what?

Let's go see a bald eagle. And so he's like, he's direct. I mean, this man is dementia ridden. There are so many things he cannot do. And he's like perfectly guiding me down the road to take the right turns and, you know, and then he's like, okay, the nest is coming up on your right. And he remembers the.

Yeah, exactly. And so then we sit there for like 5 or 6 minutes just staring at it. He's like, that is pretty neat. Is it?

And then he directed me all the way back to the house because I would have got lost. But now the bald eagle thing has become like a pattern, like 1111 thing now. Because like when I was in New York, I'm in New Orleans. I'm talking to you. My sister are on like a swamp cruise, going to see alligators and stuff.

And I'm like, my dad. Our dad would have loved this. Like he looked that fun fucking bald eagle over. And I'm like, all right. First of all, it's weird that they're in New Orleans because they don't usually like this climate. And then I'm sitting on my porch later, like a month or two ago, I caught a video of it.

This time they had like southern swamp eagles in my area, the swamp eagles. And like, I'm sitting on my porch, I'm listening to Van Morrison into the mystic. It reminds me of my dad like real dad vibe there. And I'm like, I'm just. I'm feeling it. And I'm like, okay, miss you dad. Hope you're good. Motherfucking bald eagle.

And I'm like, this is nuts. And in my brain I'm like, I know. I'm just now like, because I'm, I'm looking at the sky or I'm doing this and like, it's a pattern. I'm noticing the pattern. But also like, I can see how people are like, it's a sign from God. Yeah, yeah. Because that's fucking wild. It is white.

This is not their natural habitat. Because of course, God couldn't just, like, couldn't just say, Lindsay, it's me. Yeah, right. Check this out. Your dad is up here. He loves you. Like, you know, that's not possible. That it's got to be a fucking bald eagle direct. Well. And, of course, like, if I couldn't, dad just show up and ghostly drop off.

And of course, my dad was turned into a majestic, like. That's probably what he turned into. A majestic fucking bird of America. Like. Of course he did. So he just wants you to be very patriotic and propagandist. Or in heaven. His role changed. He know. Is it divine propagandist and you just don't. He's just. Just not putting it together.

He's God's chief propaganda. Well, it's funny, like my dad, like most of my life, was hardcore Republican. Well, he was moderate Republican, I would say. And then, like, he was a Trumper. And then by the end of his life, he was like, man, I could really use some universal health care. You know, cancer is expensive. And, you know, so it's just, you know, it's funny to me that it would like it would manifest and like a fucking bald eagle because he's like, let's do some birth, a miracle.

So he's on this cloud now in heaven, this red, white and blue cloud. Right? He's like, dressed almost like Uncle Sam. Oh, I guess, you know, like his theme song is. Yeah. He's got jets flying over a red light and blue control. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, he's like, you know what? I really miss Lindsey. Let me send her another sign.

I'm gonna send her America's bird. That's right. And the crazy thing was, it was almost the turkey. We almost had the turkey as the national bird. Oh, my God. Got some turkeys hanging out my yard. Now, that's pretty cool. You know, it's funny because, like, the bald eagle is such a really good not well go long on this one.

But, you know, it's such a really perfect symbol symbol here because, you know, it's like it really susceptible bird. It's like, not really that resilient. It's very, you know, it's a really extinct type species. Yeah. He's a really particular app. He did a number on that. Yeah. So it's that the its whole existence is precarious. You know, we're such a young nation and all this bullshit we've been doing for all these years now in the world is like setting us up for failure.

This kind of, you know, wealth inequality is setting us up. It's like the topple effect, right? You put too much center of gravity is too high. You have too much resources at the top. And it's only going to go one way. As soon as it starts to tip, the whole thing just falls over. That's just that's just basic physics.

So it's like all the signs of the end of empire or like converging upon us, right? Yeah. So bald eagle, being such a precarious species and so vulnerable is actually a pretty good symbol. Is the day just tying that in? So. So anyway, I like this could topple at any moment. So yeah. To bring it back to poodles real quick.

Right. Here we go. I'm timing neurodivergent theater. So I'm doing I'm doing the, I'm doing the we've really go here we go alone. But but I'm doing the I'm doing like the actual like, I guess you could say actual version of it, not just post rationalizing. You're not the Trumpian version where his brains could revolve inside a peanut shell for a thousand years without ever touching the sides.

I have phrases I'm trying to work into our forecast. That's as one. That's that's good.

Never touching. His penis is teeny tiny. Is that large?

But his love for PSA number 150. Yes. Finish it. That was love for our country.

That was a who knew that Matt and Trey Parker were going to save America? He thought it is. But it's in that it's in that punchy sarcastic right. It's like, you know, satire will save the world. He's it is going to his penis is teeny tiny. He's got that sad that he's got that funkiness to it. Right?

No. But his love for our.

Yeah, but that's it. I think she just made him great point there. You're saying satire and you were going to rescue us because they're going to give us that. They're going to build that activity. It does every time. And during the I remember I was like in fucking seventh grade when Bush and Gore were running, right? Yeah. That's when I got like real big into political cartoons to satire.

I had a teacher that was like real big into it. So and so our social studies, he like, make us write political cartoons and satire and stuff like that and like it really. I noticed even at that age that it got people to read the election, which SNL Will Ferrell play in Bush and stuff like that. Like, it really makes it not so hard.

It gives it takes your trauma and turns it into comedy. So like, it's taking all this traumatic shit that's happening and giving an outlet in satire form. Yeah, it lampoons things so you can highlight the ridiculousness of it, get some objectivity, stand back and say, this is dumb. We need to change it, right? Nobody's going to look at the guy going for true, but everybody's going to look at Trump in bed with Satan.

Like they're going to look at that and they're going to go, oh, they went there. Yeah. And Bo, maybe they're right to bring back that, to bring back that like motif from early south. Pardon. Put it back right at the perfect time was just well he's just a cutie. Yeah I mean he he's a they used the Saddam idea back.

They used the exact same thing that same things about it. So that was a dictator right. That's something. So there's the double entendre. Yes. That you have to kind of know South Park to know that. But. Right. It's still in it. But so this, you know, poodle thing right is now back. Yeah. There was a this is back in the day.

This is like probably something like 2010 or something. There's this new story that came out of this lady and somewhere like in South Park or somewhere around Charlotte, great or Charlotte area or whatever, who, let their dog out to, like, little poodle out to tinkle in the backyard. Right. And so, like, here's little thing. They went on the backyard.

Oh, where I'm going to do this sprinkle today. Right. It's like frolicking all of a sudden, the freaking bird of prey to figure out what's falcon, bald eagle or something comes down like just grabs the grip. Yep. And it's like the freaking monkeys in The Wizard of Oz taking the damn, you know, take it and put those just hanging off the, you know, things just flying away.

And so it's like up there, like obviously feeding it to its babies, you know, like so it's like this is a French cuisine today kids mom whipped up some Abraham mom Frost I have a cross-country.

And so, you know, you can imagine the owner of this dog like is like, you know, vegetatively like nightmare scenario. Your beloved pet is just gone in the instant from this like devil that goes sky Hill comes from camel. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. And so like these things are all prospective to the, to the fur to praise for dinner.

You know, lunch where. Breakfast whatever. And you know, to the mother or the owner of the pet. It's like oh my God my dude. Right. We got to get rid of these there.

And so the poodle, it's still probably the whole time, like, what the hell's going on? Like, you know, it's a dumb dog. It's, you know, frolicking in the yard. It's, you know, it's it's like it's not it's not contemplated. Right. These we we anthropomorphize animals, but in the end of the day, they're not really that complex. Complex. Yeah.

Complex or contemplated is the word of God for like the, you know, the little the little dog out there like frolicking and and finding out where it's tinkling, imagining. Oh, I better watch my back. Right. You know, and then when it gets grabbed, it's sort of flying to the air, like wriggling and trying to trying to break free, but has no idea what the hell is going on.

Right? Like I'm being like, oh, my back hurts and my legs are no longer on the grass. Not good. I never knew I could fly. But it's like, oh, Jack, I'm flying. Yeah. And, you know, yo, he I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't think that the local h h ordinance where you have to clean up after your pet, the pet just dropped, you know, across the half the county.

I don't think I don't think we're fly in this case, but, you know, there there it is. So that happened. That was one thing. And so the two people I was in business partner with at the time we were running this, online database type thing and web applications. It was there in the bubble and all this kind of stuff.

We will laughed about that, like, and I acted it out. We had a stuffed animal, the little dog in the in the office. I don't know why we had some stuffed animals. I don't even remember why it's a penis. So I jump up on the desk and I had this stuff. Dave on the ground. You know what? No.

I need to see you go full hawk. Right. Do it, do it. These things are soak up on the desk and do it. No. So see this, my friend that I was in business with was an architect, and he made these desks out of solid wooden doors and cinder blocks and, like, like scaffolding type material. Right? So these desks could hold like, big, clunky servers and all types of printing equipment.

Yeah. Oh, beyond the Amish code. He was like, dude is a great architect, right? Okay. And, so these deaths know you, you you see the, tempered glass give way. But shortly after you see this plane of tempered glass before me. If I jumped on this turn into all those little squares, and instead of seeing the, the the, the stuffed animal get carried away in my, reenactment, you'd see me, like, getting ready to go to the hospital.

Last is echo, so. And and trust me, it would be extremely comedic. It would. It would almost. It's almost tempting for the possible vaccines, any of the ways this could go down due to the failed physics of this desk? Yes. Would be hilarious indeed. And none of the outcomes are deterring me from wanting to see this. Yes, yes.

And most of the outcomes still even don't deter me. Which is rude, but but but like it was still be cool. It's since I'm older and wiser now. It's not going to happen. Oh no. Just can't take it. Yeah, yeah my. Yeah that's right. Oh, it's gonna rain because my hip is bothering her. It's a 90% chance it's already raining.

Oh, it's gonna feel. I feel, I feel it's got rain in my bus. So anyway, you know, I reenact this thing, and I. I jumped down on it, and I. And I take my shoes off, and I tried to grab the stuff in. I do grab the stuffed animal my toes. Right. God, dude. And and these guys are telling toes, right?

I'm laughing because I can do the same thing with my toes. Like I can like anything with my little monkey feet. Oh, yeah. Some, like, crushed cans and shit. Holy shit man. Yeah, I can, I have a pretty good pencil, like pincer strength with my big toe, my prehensile toes. One of those people who's, like, second toe is bigger sticks out further than big toe.

Like, I can. Like I can spread the Tutsi. Oh, I can flip the undies up and catch them, you know? Good, right? Yeah, I can move just out. Well, I'm glad we're not recording for the foot fetish. Yeah, I was not that cost extra. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We don't want to be giving that up for our Patreon.

Right? You. Yeah. The extra conscious. I would definitely make sure if I send like Greg to get that, I would make sure I put a really sick rubber band on your food for eating a hot tub.

So anyway, I reenacted saying my two coworkers or, you know, business partners. I mean, crying, laughing, right? And I, I takes it reenactment again from the position of the lady. Oh my God, CC you know, it's like I did the whole thing. It's like, yeah, right. It's like I did like a multiple. I did the multiple multiple layered.

Oh no. Can you leave that open? You got way too hot in here last yesterday okay. Well because air conditioning. Oh, oh would you can you rectify that for us? I thought I was precise. Thank you ma'am, you were a badass and much appreciated. Those are cool shoes. The AC goddess. Yes, absolutely. She deserts temperature regulation upon us.

So my centric really quick poodle stories that I heard this this was a true story. It was like in the news. It happened as an incident that happened near the airport. There's a small fender bender. This guy was late for the airport and the lady in front of him stopped, you know, suddenly. And he was he was following her to close or whatever, and he couldn't stop in time.

But it wasn't a bad accident. It was just just a bump. It was about one of those things where you can just get out and look and be like, clearly there's no damage, right? Let's go our separate ways. And he's trying to catch his flight. So he's stressed out, right. He's like thinking he's going to miss his flight.

And he looks and there's no damage whatsoever. I mean there's a slight little bump. And so he you know, they pull over to the side and he comes up and this lady starts tearing and tearing until and she's like, you know, you're gonna pay for this, you know, insurance or. Yeah, we're going to exchange, we're gonna wait for no, we're going away from the police.

And he's like, no, lady, I got this. I got this. Like, I got to get to the airport, like, please. Here's my information, please. Right. And she's like, no, the police. You are not leaving. And she got this little poodle on her way. And the poodle was like, oh my God. Yeah. Well that's yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Like, you know, Christmas story, that little toady guy. That's a very. Yeah yeah yeah. You tell. Oh my God you're tell this guy is like on his last nerve. He's already late. He's on his last nerve. And he's doing this lady apparently he was really stressed out. And he's got this yapping poodle now, like, like, you know, buffing up to overstimulating the shit up.

And he was probably like, you know, who knows, maybe his autistic or whatever. He was true. Yeah. So long story short, is this guy is like finally, you know, feels his last fiber, his patience. He'll come back. Yeah. The last fiber of his patience has been triggered like he's it's gone. He's he's now like, has tripped. He's in rage mode.

And he takes the poodle. He reaches in, grabs the pool off the lady's lap in one fell swoop and whips it into oncoming traffic. Oh my God, no way. And the cars were going fast the other way because it's a highway. They're right. What? Cars are going fast. And he throws the poodle into incoming traffic and obviously kills it.

What kind of evil bastard? Do you have to beat a whip, a poodle, like a piece of trash into oncoming traffic? So obviously, the temporary temporary lost your mind? Yeah, yeah. And I'm very impatient. Good point. But. So he probably, you know, he he the story was in the observer. And, you know, I was the extra content the story was in the observer and I read it.

And so this was way back in the day and we were talking about these group dynamics and respectively. Yes. Right. So like here's a guy who's like, you know, kind of in a construction van type thing, right? Like kind of blue collar. And there's this, like, you know, the way that scribing the story is a wealthy, pretentious lady driving the Mercedes SUV or something.

Yeah. Like her, her plate says something like, no one, you know, or something like that. Yeah. And so all of, like, the the rules and all the etiquette and everything was like, for that moment, completely gone. Like it was, it was a it was a sober moment, like, especially with the dog. But, you know, it's like Jesus. You can imagine the perspective.

It's almost like we have these false environmental shields around us. Sometimes we feel like we feel this false sense of, what normal in reality is when somebody can just disrupt that so potently. Right? Like, so like lightning strike changed. Forget the rest of the world is there and can penetrate your bubble. Yes. Yeah. That's the words I'm looking for.

Damn. And that's what that's what was so interesting about the story. There's other work penetrating.

It's apropos in so many situations. You know, that just makes me think of when the guy through the mashed potatoes that David from the car on the way. Okay. After you finish the story or did it tell this story? But no, that wasn't the end of my story, is that I was a segway into our conversation about group dynamics.

Okay. Right by how this there are these weird kind of cases where, you know, like someone feels the world a certain way, but then instantaneously they're like their bubble, like you said, is is penetrated and completely realized there's it was false to be intimate. Like what a sobering reality to face. You know what I mean? Like this. The way I think things work is all of a sudden you're proven to be totally wrong.

Yeah. If we may briefly derail the, store, the podcast for the story, I think you would be able to tell it better than me. No, it's a it's simple. It's. David was driving down the road, right? It was saved driving. You know, it was gum was driving down the road in the Impala. In the Impala? Yeah. And David had his window open there, you know.

Yeah. Blacks in 250 AC go in just having a good time. And they see this guy on the I think it was on either 45 or 77, 77 on the side of the highway like inner shoulder on the side of the highway. And they're like going, what the fuck is this guy doing? Yeah. And I don't think you know where this is going.

I'll tell you if I'm wrong, I'll be honest about it. You drive in there, they're like probably about a mile or two away from this guy. They're like, trying to figure out why this guy is on the side of the highway. Well, and that thing, they know that. No, they see this guy rear up, and David's like, what is what's happening?

Is he gonna spruce up thing. Yeah. And he lets loose like he's in an MLB pitch off, lets loose. And next thing you know David is covered in. So the, the, the the KFC mashed potatoes hits the rim of the window, flips and just catapulted into his face. One in the middle into his face. He's like perfect strike.

What is this?

It's like playing call duty and throwing the tomahawk at the Gary. And he get a first kill three seconds in the.

White man's potato.

And they were all the way. It was that grainy. And when you got kids see it. But you just licked your finger like that. She said it's that great me. So the trauma of the story, like, has him saying to this day it was matched potatoes, but it wasn't exactly. It was a big load of homeless man's phone.

I was just thinking like, you know, some people that, you know, are living out of their car, sometimes use the bathroom in their car and they go into container, you know, so they're owing a jog into a highway to think of mashed potatoes. It did. Right. Did you imagine, like a white, fluffy pool? Right. It looks like a cloud.

Like a like a fluffy cloud of mashed potatoes, actually. Probably wouldn't actually would. And the guy throwing the poodle, though, was mashed potatoes with ketchup. Oh, damn. Oh, man. It's like gravy. Nope. That's a oh, that's beetle blood. My bad. So I wrote down that I think I know where the story is going. It's nice mashed potatoes at somebody.

Yeah. You got it. You got it. I wrote it down so I could prove that I did. Guess you got it. Sort of ideas. I wanted to put on their way to the mashed potatoes at them when they were on their way to the sex shop, and David was going to stay in the car, and Gump was going to go in there and shoot the shit and probably buy a weird sex toy, probably.

So now I could do the same thing with mashed potatoes on his face, right? David still stayed in the car, and I think talking about a story you tell for the rest of your life, but with multiple layers. So yeah, I was covered in mashed potatoes and I went and bought a sex toy. I don't even think I could put those kind of things together.

And so reality stranger in the section, you know, 100%. Right. Okay. What that changed the dynamic that it did. Right. That its fruit speaking. Everyone was a little quieter. Yeah. None of us could hardly believe it, but it was true. So there's there's circumstances that can happen like this kind of for grenade that got thrown. Right. So there's a, you know, something that some things can happen in the group that changes the group dynamic that will forever now call it a potato grenade cheddar.

It was a mash up. Oh, it was a mashup. Mashable. It was a mashable. And so, there's, there's things like a different person entering the the conversation. Right. If you have two people talking, a third person comes into conversation. It's going to automatically, radically especially the yes do random asshole enters the chat. Yeah. Or just seeing someone you know and they bring.

So okay, so if Lindsay and I were talking like one on one and we were like, having coffee or something together, sometime we would have our own flavor of conversational dynamic between the two of us. Right? Probably a little fighter, you and you and Sean talking right would would have its own louder your stress. And then I would be like, you know, the same thing.

You just listened to a verbal assault upon your ears. And so like, you know, if you have one, two, three different possible dynamics just with two people just within this group of three, right. And then you bring three of us together. And that's now creates a brand new dynamic. Yeah. Right. And so then out of fourth person or change the environment, whether you're on a park bench, walking down the street or sitting in a studio with a phone, the sound panels on the wall, right.

All these different factors are going to change that dynamic, or at least add variable or wrinkle to them. Right? Right. So whether you're recording or not, recording is going to be right. So our conversations change just by introducing the element of actually recording the podcast. Right? Right. Because we self that it a little bit more we think we try say potentially more.

On topic. You guys are self editing.

I love that much. Oh my god based on what I told you earlier. Yes, very much so. Right. I'm trying. I don't know if it's, you know, so it would be really it'd be really interesting. I could actually go back. I, I don't know if I could even do it, but, the interesting to kind of go back over a conversation, one that was recorded and then have a secondary track of what you were really thinking, right?

Yeah. There's some possible way to connect, like if I sat here and type the whole time, like, right, maybe while we were talking and just, I don't know, somehow we managed to a video recorder or something. So I know what I'm typing. Document your inner monologue. Yes. Just one time to talking about totally different from what comes out of the mouth.

First rules are the very true and a I was told as a kid that that's like what you should always do. Like you should always think before you say it. Like you know what hit your mind and have it go to mind to mouth, you know, have a go to mind and then think about it and then go to mouth.

Right? Yeah. Or however it is you think before you talk or whatever it is, you're free to speak. So make that one. And, you know, that's that is sound advice. Yeah. You but there's, there's value I think in not like doing that too. We talked about that a little bit a minute ago like this. You have this double edged sword of blessing and burden, curse and liberation.

If you are the kind of person that just says immediately what comes to your mind, stream of consciousness unburdened you as a person, could you imagine? So you're you're living like more just in pure. Yeah, it's in purely informant. Imagine if human beings lived authentically just for a few days. It would be like The Purge. Yeah. Like if people really said what they thought.

Oh my gosh. Imagine. Well, I'm. But I'm just presuming, you know, it's like worker comes up to you, starts talking to you about a family that you don't care about. You're like, I don't like this conversation or I'm going to leave. Yeah. And then you go and be much more productive for your day and unburdened. This conversation is not stimulating.

I would like to leave it. Dallas.

Woo! You know that. Be fun. This was in some kind of comic or something joke. Some point I heard. It's hilarious. Is that that that, like, really reserved person in the office, like female, you know, it's like everyone's just saying all of a sudden what's on their mind, and there's like this really like, perfect will to do.

Everything's perfect in her life. Person I think. Oh, it was on family Guy. It was the news reporter. They thought the world was going to end, and the, the the, the the the wait news commentator is just like, I just plain don't like black people. But he praised her, and it was like, whoa, right. Like, could you imagine imagine some person at the office at the water cooler, just say whatever the hell.

You know what? We have a perfect example of that in today's day and age is Kanye. Yes, it's the perfect example of saying whatever comes out of your mind or even Ellen. Ellen is just like true. And Kanye just released his newest album cover. He has the album yet. It is. He took a picture of a a white supremacist couple, and there was from their wedding where the woman is in a red hood and robe.

The man is in a white hood, sort of a man. And yes, he's he's creating, cradling her lovingly. And they have a dog, a little cockapoo in the corner with that's looking I mean, it's looking at things. It has this ironic look on its face like, what the fuck is going on? And it's got a little robe on it.

That's what. What, was he on TRL back in the day? And he just randomly was like, George Bush hates black people, you know, like, that's that's that's. And that was the beginning of it all. That was the most mild thing he's probably ever said. And what Conyers decided to do with this original picture was put the woman in blackface.

Oh that's good. Yeah. This is this sounds just like how can I juxtapose, you know, a whole bunch of things that's going to get a lot of attention that that doesn't even sound that creative to me. No. Yeah. But whatever. You know, we all have our own tastes, and he's a jackass. And he should be, you know, treated accordingly, treated accordingly.

So, so this this the dynamic. Right. Going back to that, this this group dynamic thing is like, man, there's so many different it's it's impossible to navigate this really. Right. Because you you'd have to if you had this like, this it's the main character syndrome. Like, we're all the main character of our own story. Sure. And it's always perspective based.

Always. It's never like you guys are right now. You guys are like, you know, really tough stars, you know, in my in my movie and vice versa. Oh, well, then write your costars in in this this here good beard to this current assumed this current scene in mind drills on sleep I presently. But please, I could go my whole life without ever carrying you say that again.

Yes, I remember, I remember.

I guess I'm so funny to say about honestly to this, but. So, right in in my you guys are costars and this current scene in my movie, which I'm the main character. Right. And so right now in your movie, which is your life, you're the main character of. Right? We're costars right now and you're the scene that you're right.

And so I have to know that perspective. I have to know everything about you and the, the, the character that you're playing right now to really understand the true group dynamic. That's it's impossible. I can never understand. Right. Because we're locked into our own frame. Everyone's had their own main character energy. Yeah. When it comes to their own life, I gotcha.

Yes. Yes, exactly. And so if there was a way to, like, wave a magic wand, you know, and, and make it to where all of a sudden people drop all shields and they're just, like, full on, could you imagine, like the chaos, but also the you were anarchy but pure bliss. Yeah. People would have from not having to like.

Yeah. You're not you're not putting on these airs. You're not you know, you don't have these strictures and limits you. You are living your main character energy. Take it. I could go never again in my life hearing Lindsay has to say everything that pops into your head. Oh, okay. So you can imagine you still say everything that pops into your head.

Okay. Please do. I don't know if I can take that a that that that a damper off that I've put on over the years.

Mom reputation. She has the greatest comedy routine from years ago that she wrote. That is so hilarious. Please do it in public sometimes. Someday. I got a bunch of new material. My kids are just giving dole it out. New material. Dairy? Yeah, every single day. But there there's a one joke in there that might have been considered hot button back in the day, I think.

I think people will be just fine with it now. Oh my God, my cup. I'll tell me. Yeah.

And dude, that's that's Sean's favorite. Oh my God, it's so good. You said John Ball like no it's so favorite. It like football. Yeah. It was about when the Redskins were talking about like changing their name. I'm like, okay, well I'm trying to explain it to my husband at the time and I'm like, it's we can't we do have to change that date.

And we can't, we can't keep that name like, come on. And he's like, why do we have to change that name? And I'm like, well, having a football team in America called the Redskins, it's like Germany having a soccer team called like the Red sea pedestrians or something. Because like, this is not we can't just take a whole group of people.

That was it was the Israelites having the Red Sea or Israel, the Red sea. It was Germany having the kayaks. Yeah, it's real having the Red sea. But it can't just you can't do that. You can't take this inherently terrible racist thing and making a sport, Nate, it's like and you know, Trump just recently it's so apropos because Trump wanted to he was trying to hold up a stadium deal because he wanted the Washington commanders to change their name to the Redskins.

Yeah, exactly. Back to the kids. So hold on. Wait a minute. Are is I don't even know. The Washington Redskins no longer followed their goal to your ears. So yeah, we'll follow sports at all. Me either. It's okay. So okay. So I remember growing my little life. There were the Washington Redskins and I never thought one thing about it, you know.

Yeah. Like probably didn't matter to me or never register. Never. Never thought to to to think that it even mattered what the team was name like. Right? Right. But but guess it does matter if I really think about it. Think it through. I guess it wouldn't matter. But yeah, well, it has an impact on a marginalized group. It makes them feel.

Abused on her. And then you look at her colleges that have like you got like a what is it, the Florida Seminoles. Oh. And chants oh!

And I'm like that is. Oh there's no Lena Braves. Yes yes I know they do that. Oh dude. So yeah. So so my high school was named Mogo, which sounds like a sounds like a new tribe name or has that kind of, you know, kind of that that sounding. Yeah. Has a native sounding. But what it was is there's three small towns that their school all came together.

Was Warren. Right? The law was Warren, Connecticut. And then there was Morris. Okay. And that was the mole. And then there was Goshen, Connecticut. So that was the one mole go. So they called it the the first two letters of the three towns. So that's where trendy neighborhood before that was cool. And there. And the mascot or the, the, the symbol for it was a big Indian chief with a headdress on.

Oh, shit. Like full feathers. And, you know, I just went to hilarious that we, like, have all these team names named after, like, Native Americans, but we're not out here naming team names like the Indiana colonizers. Like, oh, so tell me there's not like a there's there's a bias here. Well, the current administration, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Yeah, if they started coming out and his next amendment is going to be not the Washington commanders, the Washington colonizers. You know what? I can't get behind that because it was like this. What's going on? Okay, absolutely. People need to be, like, taken down a notch. Okay. We're down another. Yes, yes. Take them down. An I shake the Louisiana crackers any day, you know, like.

I was thinking, like the Kentucky commander clan or something. Oh, that I love that. Along those lines here, I love it. Well, we could just do it with a unique spelling. We could do quadruple K, the Kentucky Clue cleft clan. You know, just just go straight for it. Yeah. It's. You can go to UK k k. It's true, true, true.

You know, truly open free speech society. Oh, yeah. That's the right answer. Yeah. Just bald faced openness with your predilections and preferences. Maybe it's like, you know, go ahead, everybody get it out. Let it run its course. Right. What's it for? All right, so we run a free for all cultural purge, right. There you go. Just. And it showcases how ridiculous it is.

So fine. That one's in satire again. I can't remember who it was. He said we should name cookies. Derogatory racist name, because then nobody would be mad about it anymore. Like you're like, oh, can I get one of them wet backs right there? This is delicious. Went back I've ever had in my life. So take the power. You take the power back.

Repurpose the word. Yeah, I like that. So there was this kind of kind of edgy, though. If there's, like, if there's a bunch of Mexicans making them, that's. That would be kind of wrong. These honky cookies have no flavor free tune. Didn't taste of us, mother, I love it. Not a bit of fruit and vegetable. These are Lindsey cookies.

Oh, damn. Damn. Lindsey. Sugar and meat. Yeah. Sugar cookies. Spiced meat.

But, So creepy when you say it. It did sound pretty creepy. Anyway, back to you. You said. You said that. You said that with authority. Kind of a weird right take. Yeah, that's a sound bite for later. Yeah. It was that could be featured I think. I think it's gonna be featured sometimes when people say things you can almost like sense experientially story behind what they're saying.

That was that was that was there somehow. That was weird, son. Do you talk about that? Yeah. I need only he's my inner trauma surrounding spice. No, this isn't this is positive. Pedestrian, not confessional. That's the extra content you guys got to pay for. To hear about the spice meets. Subscribe. Eat this. That's not subscribe for Spice me.

That's not just a buy me a coffee. That's the Patreon paywall right there. Patreon fail to get that story, you know? You know. So, I've experienced this group dynamic thing like, many, many times. Sure. And in some cases in really awkward fashions, like so we recently, like Sean and I recently had this like totally awkward group dynamic thing happen, right?

Yes. Which brought up the necessity to talk about the group dynamic. Yeah, we had to get it out. So I had this boss one time that inside the office. Okay, this this is this is awesome. Like, this is. This is weird, but awesome. Sorry. Right. So this boss, there is a series I work for, a Carolinas Healthcare, which is now atrium.

And I worked in this little kind of side cubicle farm. And I worked on the edge. Right. It wasn't wasn't big enough or good enough or pay a great enough to have a window, right? Sure. But so I'm in like hell. And, but I'm in this nice kind of juxtaposition with several coworkers. I'm going really well with him and cut up an all time laugh and go to the water cooler and joke and pull all these antics, much of which is on the podcast.

So you have to go back and you know their stories about some of the antics that were pulled that were Valerius in this office. And so to this day, you know, we when I get together with some of my friends that I made there, we talk about these things that happened in the office that were hilarious like these little pranks and, you know, things, benign pranks.

Not like something that's going to like spring. Right? Right? Right. Like, put, you know, put something, something or you're making something that would change the TV from Fox News. Yes, that was one of them. Is that. Yes. There was this guy that was like a vigilante about it will always be on Fox News in the break room, right?

Like always. And I mean, like, he'd go in there and grabbed a remote and change the Fox News like, we know, you know, someone put on CNN, he'd be like, no, that's communism writing. But it's got to be on Fox News. But he was like, we joked about this guy so many times, like, you know what kind of person you know?

So like his idea was that since Fox News is always this is the idea that I got a sense of this guy is that since Fox News is always playing in the break room that he was, the people were hearing the truths look right, like this was this is healthy for people because they're they're hearing the truth. Wow.

And so I'm going to I'm going to do my public. So he was liberating minds. That's that's really how I think he saw it. Wow. So complex. So what my friend John or I did is we we bought this thing off of, like, some kind of a Chinese website or whatever. That was like an automated channel changer, right?

It was this little tiny thing that you had to solder together. And there's this guy that did shortwave radio. And so he's an expert solder because he made his own shortwave radio as a shortwave radio and. Yeah. Yeah. And we had him solder it for us and we let him kind of got him in on the, on the scheme.

Right. And so I got up one one, one evening I got up on the top counter really high high ceilings with this high cabinets. Right. And I got up there and I put position perfectly, this little device that once randomly like once every 30 minutes it would change the channel like inside the drop sailing. So he asked perfectly one and up.

Right? Yeah. It was it was hidden very well. And so like people would be sitting in the break room, Fox News and beyond this guy Tom, I won't use his last name. I don't want a defamation lawsuit. Tom Morello okay, that. Yes, we sit there and then everyone's like, eating lunch under the veil. Fox news. So he was happy.

And then also seeing everyone come on.

And the remote is like within his arms reach. Right. And so he's like, what the hell? Fox. Fox. No no no no. Quickly. Fox. Yeah. What's it back on Fox News. And then like, you know ten minutes later scene then. Right. This guy went and talk about how that changed the group dynamic. He lost control. He wasn't he wasn't the main character of his little fission.

Dude goes berserk. Like I mean, tour that break room. I thought perception of reality bubble was up. He thought he had control of his. He thought he had full dominion mastery of this technology. This dude is in there with a fucking stepladder. He's looking. I mean, he's up on cabinets, countertops like a fucking monkey. I he he's it was like someone was playing the hurdy gurdy.

And there was like, this Mikey dancing around her. Yeah. Do you get to listen to her during music all day? No, not at your. Now that your Renaissance Festival job? No, no. So I love the hurdy gurdy. Hurdy hurdy gurdy. I didn't know what it was. I just knew from cartoons. Right. They played the monkey would jump around and get money from me, like so.

I always wondered what that thing was. And then later on my life, when I had internet, that's how I even know the phrase. Heard it surprised you guys know it working grinder, hurdy gurdy and, so the the hurdy gurdy for our younger list is this, mechanical device that you crank and as you crank it, it plays.

It plays. Yeah. It's like it's like a music box. That's me, like cranked. And it's for all the awesome sound. Offensive. Yeah. Yes. And and good for this. And the eyebrows on fleet. Oh. So the I'm the on fleek story is when, the the the joke here is that once, soccer moms start using a new slang as it emerges, it kills, it's out, it's dead.

It goes from into out. I'm sure it also applies to nerdy white dudes using the slang like me. Yeah. So as soon as, like, the, you know, the dolt class or whatever. You see, I have the problem where I'll use slang that's like current and ironically, but then I can't stop. Like I was saying this on slaps for years and I can't stop.

Let's go. Just enters your personal looks. It's all it does. Like my grant. Stop calling people, bro. Like, yeah, it's like bro leading to.

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