0:00 It's also talking about. After that I was like, how immature we are. I was like, yes, yes, you actually start to score your novel ideas based on the level of juvenile, you know, like you score your own jokes based on, like when in your life you could have come up with it, right? That one was probably fifth grade.

0:19 Yeah. It was like sixth grade, man. Yeah. Came up with that.

0:24 And and they remember like, coming up with something when you're, when you were younger. Oh. And it was the best idea. Oh, it's so funny. Yeah. Like, I was convinced that I came up with dick weed. Oh. Like, I was convinced that that was mine. Like, I made it up, and, you know, maybe I did, or maybe I didn't.

0:43 Well, most likely I didn't. Yeah, like I heard it, but then thought I came up with it. Well, it's it's it's really possible you derived it independently. This happens. Yes. Yeah. And, that's how that Lopez guy gets away with all his jokes. He just said he came up with him. Yeah. Anyway. Is that really it? Who was the guy they did on South Park, where Kanye West is a gay fish.

1:06 He's, like, beating the shit out of him with his George Lopez. George lopez? Yeah, I think it was like none of his jokes are his own. So funny. Just steals him. Oh, shit. That's our Campbell Tobin. It's everywhere. Yeah, yeah. I'm just so happy that they fixed it. And they're working. It's the life of a middle aged player.

1:26 You get Campbell toe everywhere you go.

1:30 Could you know. Hey, so what if you have to break out the tow truck? It's fine. The tow truck, I love it, tow mater. Yeah, once a month.

1:45 It becomes that we come to mare. Yeah. As rednecks, for some reason. Redneck.

1:54 What the fuck? Oh, these are fifth grade. You know, fifth grade. You know, jokes happening right now. Oh, totally. Oh, I love this. Like, when they take this, this old brick building and they deconstruct it and make it look like complete shit, right? That, like, it's cool, right? Yeah, yeah. The one accent wall that looks like total shit.

2:16 They spend $1 million. Yeah. We painted two walls out of all of them. This. We're going to hang like the the local art up there that's selling for like, $300, but it's like, you know, somebody made it in 10s. Right. I wonder what they're going to do with this thing.

2:33 Do you see the AI won the art contest? I do not. What are contests? Oh, some art contest. Oh, it's like a I fucking crushed it. That's cool. Yeah. It's like, there's a there's a there's a trend, right to like, I guess when an artist is going for some kind of job nowadays, I guess they want you to talk about your process.

2:57 Oh, instead of, like, just your output, they want to know what your process is. Now, I'm of the complete opposite school of thought. I care about the fucking product. Well, yeah, I'm results oriented. Does it really matter what the president. I don't give a fuck if you cut and pasted some shit six months ago, and then fucked with it for six months in Photoshop, I don't care.

3:17 Well, I care about that. I don't want someone to plagiarize, but you know. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, you know, it's the bottom line of how good are you? Like, what is your output look like? I don't know. Absolutely. And I mean, I guess maybe if you have to work side by side with the person, then the process matters.

3:36 Yeah. And and if you intend to have them as an artist in residence, maybe the process matters. Maybe, you know, because then you're thinking about what things I have to provide them with. What? You know, all that. Some of these corporate logos and stuff that are like, so simplified, like two color logos and or they're completely flat, you know, like.

3:59 Right. Like so obvious. And yeah, just embracing minimalism to the green. Yeah. But somebody actually went through and put a tremendous amount of like actual research and like everything into it. So, so like they, they get back to this really simple organic form, you know. But they weren't they went out there like way out there with all this history and iterations and, you know, breaking it down to its minimum.

4:25 Yeah. Then expanding it just to break it back down again. There's like divine geometry and everything built into it. And then you end up with, you know, and you end up with this line drawing at the end with like one color. Sonya. But it's like great for some reason. Yeah. Those are like the truly good artists. I guess they are the ones who just evoke the this set of feelings and that every time you look at it, you just, you hit, you have this pop.

4:58 Yeah. So I was going to be an artist. I don't know if you knew that about me. Did not like that was my first major. Oh, cool. Yeah. And, there's this guest speaker that came in that was a potter and, successful commercial. Potter had a Pottery Barn and did all these things and sold a bunch of works.

5:15 It was a master potter then. Awesome. Her husband's name? Harry. But, anyway, she says that she struggled for years and years, and finally she found her stride in her niche and whatever, and got commercial success and was basically mostly on who she knew and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, she said, this statistics show that, well, 1 in 10 artists can make it commercially as an artist.

5:44 And I'm like, change major, right? That ain't me and that's not me. And, I had a couple setbacks in art. There's twice in my high school I lost my entire portfolio. Oh, yeah. There must have been 150 drawings in there. Yup. And then, I decided to rebuild my portfolio. Nice. And this is. I was at private school for a year, and I had about, another hundred pieces or so in a portfolio.

6:13 Okay. I had this really detailed study of anatomy from bones. Bone anatomy. Like. Oh, like I did all this cross-hatching and all these different bones. They had an articulated skeleton. It was pretty neat. And I picked that as my subject. Matter of study. How to lose it the second time. So, the second time was no shit.

6:37 The. I was one of the last people on campus. For the for the year I was waiting for. My father should come pick me up. You was busy. He adds up to. Yeah. And the absolute last day to get out of there was, like, a Sunday. Oh, shit. At 5:00 or something? Yeah. So it was like Sunday at four, you know?

6:55 And, anyway, there was an advisory that went out. I never saw it. I missed it, which is if your portfolios aren't out of the art room, because I was just going to go grab my portfolio when I my way out. Right. If your portfolio wasn't gone by Saturday at such and such time, it was internally. Yeah, well, fine.

7:12 But. Well, the day before, day before I went to the dumpster and it had been empty. So I was like, you know what? Fuck, it wasn't meant to be. So I lost two major like works. Collection of works. Yeah. And that ever since has taken the wind out of my sale, as far as I'm sure. But you'll see my office on Sunday.

7:33 You'll see that it's, like, filled with canvases. That's cool. So it's like I have a collection again. Yeah, exactly. But still, the, Yeah, it took took a took a thing. Took a hit to my art. Enthusiasm, I guess you could say. Sure. Oh, I, my main thing that I always wanted to do was, biology.

7:56 Yeah. And I took, every biology class I could take. I mean, microbiology class after microbiology class and, nanotechnology classes, all kinds of other stuff. Cool. You know, bunch of different schools that I went to because, you know, I, you know, I would like the five different schools in the last few years. And, really, then.

8:26 I was really interested in that whole space in 1999 when I was supposed to go to college. Basically. Well, I hadn't come across the term bioinformatics yet. Yeah, but that's what it was. Yeah. And, you know, because I liked computers and I liked biology. So, I done, you know, experiments along those lines and all that, but very room entry things.

8:54 And then, wherever I finally got back into college and my 30s because I got kicked out that first semester, and then my parents refused to say anything and blah, blah, blah. You know. Yeah. So common trajectory, I'm sure. Yeah. It's like this weird phase in your life where you just kind of hit, like, this weird mental block.

9:15 It's like in your mid 20s. I think it happens to a lot of people where you just, like, you get burned out on education to some extent. Oh, I wasn't burned out on education. I just didn't have I didn't understand that I got the funds part of it, and I didn't understand how to get back in there. I was still in the biology of my early 20s, my, one of my best friends at the time, he he was taking a biology class with me back in 11th grade, and he and I just used to, talk and hang out.

9:49 And basically he ended up going to school and going into it, going, moving to the area and all that. I wanted our 20s, but, he was an accountant, a night accountant at Winn-Dixie. All right. Yeah. That's like, he just, like, took words. Put them together. Right. Like like a like a career in a place. And so isn't that kind of crazy that you could do accounting at night?

10:20 Grocery store, but I guess they're open during the day, so. Yeah, you just could have said, like, you know, he blacksmiths at the Renaissance Faire. Yeah. And that would have been equally as bizarre to me. Yeah. His weird. I was shocked to hear that was a thing. And so what's missing at the Renaissance either way? For accounting at the Winn-Dixie?

10:39 Yeah. And so. Oh, and he was supposed to get her out of any of us, but he. How many cans of split peas are there, son? Right. Let me check my files. 12, sir. It's like we need the biweekly split pea report. Jensen.

11:01 So,

11:05 Basically, I ended up going back and I early 30s, and then, went most of the way toward a biology degree. Like, I only have a couple of classes left, and. But what threw me off was, okay. So I passed organic chemistry, which was the hardest two classes of ever taken. And, but then after that, there were a couple of other classes, and I was like, you know what?

11:34 I could do computer science. And I'm almost there, and it's easier. And I get paid more. Yeah. Some advantages there. So I was like, let's do that. So pivoted to that. But I almost have a anthropology degree, a biology degree and a bio from degree of biomedical degree. I have like five classes left. Wow. So you're like, kind of like me.

12:00 You must be up there in credit hours. Yeah. A ton. I wonder we, when you come over on Sunday, we got to compare notes. Hell, yeah. Like, and and, kind of laugh at ourselves. At how dumb we are for not having five degrees each. Right.

12:19 But, yeah, if I, if money was no object, I'd have those. All three. Definitely. Can you get paid? Is it possible to get paid to just study? It would be amazing if it was right. And like, I don't know, somehow, like, find some kind of social, social circle where you can just bullshit because you've learned so much in academia.

12:41 And plus you've had a lot of experience to write if something along the lines of, you know, the the salons of the Victorian age where you would attend these parties and just be one of the floating on the upper crust of society. Yeah. You're just floating like your particular area of expertise. Yeah. Or like the thing that you're good at talking about.

13:03 Right. And you're just attending all these meetups. All these. All these sucked. All these things. Kind of skimming the cream up. This up? Yeah, like a socialite, but with an intellectual bent. Yeah. Which is what's the whole point of the the salons back in the day? Like the first programmer, lady Eddie Byron. She was a socialite who was very well versed in math and science and,

13:34 Then there was a Charles Babbage, who was her friend. Right? Charles Babbage. Right. We pretty much same scene. Same scene. Same. You know, and the man. That'd be a cool thing to bring back. Right. I mean, to kind of people who uttered things like, I wish to God. These calculations were computed by staying.

13:57 Well, I could utter that, but it wouldn't be nearly as profound today as it were. Yes. Back then, I'm just saying that the kind of profound, forward thinking people like that. I was washing my car and the sunlight was hitting the soap bubbles just right, and the kind of rag I was using, was causing not just like bubbles, like significant like micro bubbles.

14:23 Right. And so I was like, swipe across the hood and there's thousands and thousands, if not millions of these little tiny dots and dashes. Oh, shit. And I was thinking, there's words here. Yeah, right. Like, this is Morse code. Can I somehow take a picture of this and decode what this says? Right. Right. Do some image processing with the, you know, one of the easier, maybe open CV or one of the other frameworks and then, like, spray it off with the hose and do it again and again and again and it's get messages from the university.

14:58 Yeah. Yeah. Like it's the source of all my ideas. Oh, shit.

15:04 No. But the the bubble pattern was like, totally. You could look like, binary. Like. That's crazy. You could totally make a case that that's binary bricks and dolls all around. Totally. Dude, it was awesome. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And I was thinking, like, you know, if there was a way to capture that and d literally decode it. There's words there.

15:25 There's no doubt about it. There's words there. Right? Right. You'd end up with something whether or not you could make sense of it. It would just be so neat if it, like, put together 2 or 3 words that otherwise never would have come together. And if you did that, you know, 300 times it, you'd find all kinds of stuff.

15:43 Yeah. It's like a monkey on the typewriter. Monkeys on the typewriter for all eternity. Brady Shakespeare was that stupid shit. Yeah. Which, I mean, it's just a stupid phrase. Wouldn't happen. Wouldn't happen. You can give it all the turn. It never happened because they wouldn't hit the spacebar. Enough. Right. Absolutely. Yeah.

16:04 Just not happening. And, they wouldn't hit the little carriage return lever at the right at the right time either. Exactly. We're just talking about too much chance and too much syntax. And just the fact that the monkey isn't actually random. Right. You know, it's not a perfect random engine, and it can't be right. Because during this whole process, there's going to be external stimuli.

16:29 There's going from the other monkeys, there's going to be external stimuli, other things in the room. Heavy Thieves Brewing Company, that's badass. Yeah. And you'd get too much like, you know, poo punctuation. Yeah, yeah.

16:43 And I mean, you got to count on a number of typewriters. Just ended up broken. Yeah. And I. And I reckon you will get the word banana where you you get banana. That'll happen. Yeah. But but your, your entropy pool is going to go down as they break the typewriters for sure. For sure, for sure. And realize that that's more fun than plugging away at.

17:02 Yeah. Taking away exactly as they start throwing the typewriters, each of the spaces, you know, they realize that's way more fun.

17:12 Yeah. So there's, there's there's endless numbers of reasons why that endless scenario couldn't take place. Yeah. But it's it's one of those naive, stupid things that people say, like everything is a computer or everything happens for a reason. Yeah. Everything is a computer. The pile of rocks over there. Because. Because you can take the pile of rocks and you can position them in a way where it can record a number.

17:31 Therefore, it's a computer. Shut the fuck up. No, exactly. Rocks. Exactly. Now, maybe if you're trying to idiot the concept that everything takes inputs from its environment. And possibly you could say that the quantum mechanics. I agree. Action. You can stretch anything to fit any narrative. You know, a little bit of creativity. Yes. What I'm saying. At least that's a little bit better than everything is a computer.

17:57 Yeah, but it's still shit. It's still dog shit. That's still a dog shit idea. Yeah, I agree. And you know, I'm still stuck on, like, simple concepts, like the idea that the atom is, you know, if it was, if it was the size of a pea in a stadium, right? Like the the outer stands would be the electron shell, you know, and the nucleus would be this little pea in the center.

18:21 Right. I don't know if I'm really buying that. I you know, it's one of those things that's so hard fathom that there really could be that much empty space in an atom. Relatively. Yeah. Like, it's all about, like, our knowledge of empty at that point. Right. Right. Like which, really, we don't have a lot of experience with empty.

18:45 Yeah. And, you know, the infinitesimals and the extremes, you know, the extreme infinites and the infinitesimals are bizarre world. So us, because we're in this, like, middle ground, you know? Yeah. Like this discrete kind of bumbling at our level. There's. Well, yeah. At our level, this discrete happened. We're in this weird level between the ins and and the infinite.

19:07 Yeah. Yeah. We can we can experience both analog and discrete. Yeah. And so and so we're like lost, right. You know, because we're like well Buzzer those things exist in our world. But in the quantum world they do not. And then we have to put everything really in the framework of our own imaginations based on our experiences.

19:24 So we have to somehow find a way to put that model of an atom into our reality. Speaking of that, as a kid in like late middle school, you were talking about getting paid to think. Yeah. That's that's how my father described to me what a theoretical physicist was, like seventh grade. He getting paid to think? Yeah.

19:42 And I was like, I want that job.

19:47 And so, like, for about three years, I tried to become a theoretical physicist. Oh, man. That's a great motivation. Like doing something extremely cerebral because of the laziness factor. Yeah, exactly. You've totally got me there. That was where I was going. It's like laziness is the mother of all invention kind of comes. Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, I've reinvented myself 50 times in my life to be more increasingly lazy.

20:15 Well, that was a lot of change on it. On the sidewalk there. It was six pennies and the. And the wear and tear on my joints to pick him up. It was great. Yeah. Right. It it's not like we're sitting here calculating that our net worth is too great. It's that our knees are born. That's right. Bodies are to just destroyed to.

20:34 And if there are quarters, I would have stopped, right? I would have done that for a buck 50. Right. But like $0.30. Come on. That was like $0.06 I got you. Oh, okay. My. See, my sixth sense told me it's approximately. Dad jokes about. Oh, dad. You know, that's the funny thing is, dad jokes just means bad jokes.

20:56 It does. It does. And also dad jokes that very much akin with where we started in fifth grade. Joke. Excuse me. Yeah, exactly. Revisiting fifth grade JS. Right, right, right. Yeah. It's a way to relive your, nostalgia of your childhood through now regurgitating much of old bad jokes, just maybe rebranding them to a certain extent. Yeah. You got to rebrand them because you're a dead.

21:18 Yeah. You're not near as correct. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be able to, you know, tell them a new light. Yeah. Right. Like. Right. You have to put them through the political correct filter of the day and phrase rephrase them in the context of your children's knowledge. Yeah. Like, use the terminology. That's still crass, but currently in the vernacular.

21:40 Acceptable now. Nice. You know what I'm talking about? Yes. That is a fine line. It's like just another word. Divisive word. It's just the one that's currently. But it's. Yeah, it's one that doesn't carry as negative connotations. Right. It's one that isn't in the current list of arbitrarily chosen bad words. Yeah. And in fact, there's like a certain amount of, of, acceptability in terms of like it's the proper therefore a good word to use now, like you're doing somebody a favor.

22:10 It's been blessed as the proper word to use in that arena. Yeah. And yet it still has the same core functionality of being divisive and being a label that carries with a bunch of pejorative. Exactly. And that's what bothers me about the customer thing. It's just arbitrarily chosen words that over time, you know, change, ebb and flow. Yep.

22:38 It's like, I'm just going to use whatever words I feel the most apropos.

22:45 Knowing those still context. Well, yes. Like I can't use that in this meeting today. Right. Right I can't say.

22:54 You know, the light went on with this. Awesome. You said that like that. And it's like the porch light came on, basically. Maybe it was. I hit the resonant frequency of the porch light that vibrated it and turned off. Or someone inside was like, oh my gosh, what is that? Turn on the air. They're like, is that a dying animal?

23:12 Where's my gun? They're still putting the shells in right now.

23:18 The the advantage of walking fast. You don't catch as many bullets. You also. Hey, you know, we're kind of in the hood. Maybe they were a little blurry eyed from last night. Securities a little slow. So we live again the other day that. That's great. So, we we said yesterday we talk about Truth Social. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, that is, first of all, first and foremost that you talk about that form for fifth grade.

23:48 There's a hilarious name. It is it is just the connotations to go back to that of truth social or hilarious. It's, it it's like, so obvious that it's almost, like, not worth talking about because it's like, it's so bad. Like it's so bad that it's good. Like, in that things, that's where Trump dwells dwells. And I say bad.

24:13 It's good. He dwells in that. It's so over the top that man. It's come full circle to possibly working.

24:22 I wouldn't give that up. I wouldn't say possibly workable. It's, But I'm a I'm an independent. I'm an independent. I of both. Hardie's only reason I say possibly working is because so many people go on to it. Yeah, it's inversely proportional to your education level. True. So I think that really says everything you need to know. That's that's like a correlation that's worth bothering me is I've run across a couple of people in my work life recently who are.

24:53 I thought would be beyond that threshold of education to have fallen for this. And they are not. Isn't that. Isn't that so weird? How like you can have people that are hyper educated and just you talk to them and within a very short period of time, you're like, they're profoundly down. Yeah, yeah. Like, how did they possibly get a shape?

25:17 Like partly like how? Yeah. No, I understand, like the school probably wasn't the best, but but still, a PhD is a mountain of intellectual effort, no matter where you get it, right? Yeah. I have a friend of mine who has their PhD, and, I read her dissertation, and, Yeah, I could have, like, shit that out in the night.

25:36 Wow. She spent months, fun months, maybe years on it. Yeah. And you could tell that, like, she got tired. Oh, yeah. So it's like it was like reading a Stephen King book, like. Oh, wow. That's creepy. Yeah. So it was it was literally like, you know, lose that on purpose. So it was it was like literally like chapter one of this book was like literally decent, like profound.

26:04 Some really good. Good. Good idea. Yeah. So so she was she was starting out with some really decent stuff, you know, it was like the ass watch. It was. It was like it was like the, the the the Adderall and the Prozac were perfect levels in it. Chapter one. Right. All right. And then it was just, oh my gosh, this is steady decline and then option up cliff and accepted it and and the whole.

26:30 Yeah. Because the whole back end of the book was nothing but filler. Wow. Like you could just tell. So it's like she blew her wall in the first chapter and then just couldn't come up with supporting stuff afterwards. Yeah, I guess that's one way to say it. I didn't know worlds had wads to blow, but, well, in this case, she hurt her.

26:49 Yeah, her electoral ward, I don't know, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. There you go. She shot her shot. Yeah. And and so, like, I was taking notes in the margins, you know, reviewing it for her, doing a a solid critique, you know, and it went through page by page. And then I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

27:08 And I just couldn't raise any else. Like, cuz it's like it's such drivel. And near the end you're like, there's nothing to critique. Yeah. It was that domain of this is my friend at like this person. And if you don't have something nice to say. Right, maybe keep mouth shut. Don't say anything at all. But she had she wasn't submitting this.

27:30 It was already done, right? Yes, it was done because she wanted to expand it like she thought it was. Did she want to use this as a basis for future research or something? Yes, exactly. Okay. She wanted to try to use it as a segway to get into some other things. Okay. And, I forgot how I worded it.

27:51 I was I was really politically correct kid gloves type thing, right? Definitely focus on the positive. I put enough notes in that book, though, to like to write another book. To rewrite it. Yeah, and it's not like I'm. I might sound kind of arrogant talking about all this, but it was like subject that I actually knew a lot about.

28:10 So that's cool. I was able to put a lot more ideas down. She chose a good reviewer. Then you had a base of knowledge and you could effectively critique it because you knew about it. Yeah. And so if she was going to redo that or rebroadcast it or reform it somehow. Right. I think what she could do is like, take the first chapter, try to expand it into 2 or 3 and then that be it.

28:34 Well, it sounds like, you know, she should she should definitely go through that exercise to crystallize her ideas, to reforge them, you know. Yeah. And I'll give you more detail offline because, I this is an important person in my life. I don't want to insult them. And they and they and they do listen to our podcasts that maybe you said too much.

28:55 Well, we can always edit this. No, no, that's something we we refuse to do. We will not. That's right. I, I it has to be real. In the beginning in the ranted about how well should've said that, but fuck it, I already did it. It's out there. Canon. Ring a bell? It's on recording. It's permanent. Yeah, yeah. The internet has has it now.

29:18 That's right. We can't get rid of it. I'm not going to walk around all morning in the dark like this, with this reel to reel on my back, with this array of microphones. Yes. Yes, exactly. Only to edit something away. It will not be on the floor of the cutting room. This man is. He's humping a studio. He's got 100 pounds of equipment on his back.

29:43 He's making a sacrifice. He don't don't realize what an actual workout this is.

29:53 Well, of course they don't realize that we're sitting in the studio drinking coffee, but, hey, hey, you know, you know, I mean, this ambient noise generator that you programed up is pretty badass. I'm just saying, I know that AI algorithm is kicking it, right? Yeah. This has got to be pretty using right now. GPT three. Yeah, yeah. It's like, kind of kind of the latest.

30:14 Oh, cool. Cool. And, I'm, I'm a beta tester, so I'm able to pull it off. That's nice. Pretty cool morning. And that's got to be awkward. It does. And I mean I get the whole I'm just going to go as fast as possible. Pass them. Yeah. That's that was uncomfortable for me. Yeah. It's like totally two dudes.

30:37 They're like not small right. You know and and this like really dainty female. Yeah. I want you to tell swinging in the dark going by us. The kind of chick who people are like, I wish I had that thigh gap. That's the kind of woman we're talking about.

30:52 Yeah, that made me feel uncomfortable. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. I was just like, I'm gonna try to not move. That was my strategy. Really went over to the edge. Like. Yeah, totally. I don't like we're not a threat, lady. We're not as we're at, you know? Yeah. We were like. We were all like, up in the grass, man.

31:10 Chris was struggling with that header. Pounds of equipment in the grass. For real. And, if if Megan was. If I knew Megan was jogging at 530 in the morning or whatever. You're buying new Megan was in the habit of jogging at 530 in the morning. I would strongly advise her not to jog at 530 in the morning.

31:27 I was riding a bicycle behind her. No shit with a with a pistol? Hell, God. Maybe a couple. Maybe one in your boot. Maybe one in your hand. Yeah, maybe this is, like, somewhat open enough, but I. That did not feel good at all. It didn't, it didn't. And I felt I felt the weight of guilt and or anything that might happen to her.

31:54 Right. What I felt. Yeah. Yeah, I know, it's it's like, you want to you want to assault her just so no one else could hurt her. Like, not really hurt her, but, like, assault her to to teach her her lesson. So you're back home? Yeah. Like, go back that way. Now. This is not safe, right? You know, like, because we're really good guys, and we can't stand the idea of something terrible happening to you.

32:16 Well, all we would do at this point is just scream loudly. That's probably the most we could boast about, because, I mean, I felt I'm all in my mind. There's all these possibilities playing out and all these things that could happen. It was terrible. And, you know, I, I don't know, but that that seems really strange. That's like, it just seems like it.

32:40 This isn't the best neighborhood in Charlotte, and it just really seems like anyone would think that was a bad idea to do, right? That's. That's what I was thinking. Like, there's no way that's smart. She had two dogs with her. Maybe, like, could pull it off, right, or something, but my God, she looked so vulnerable. She did. And it was like pitch fucking nowhere.

33:03 Like we couldn't even see who. We couldn't even see her. We could see her silhouette. Well, yeah. I mean, it could have been a dude. I mean, as far as we knew, right? It could have been. But that that was very uncomfortable. That was. I didn't like it. And we're the guys. Yeah. So, I mean, brave to her for sure.

33:20 Well, yeah. I mean, she's got bigger balls than I've got. Well, she's not bigger balls than me, but I, I would jog on this course by myself at this time of night. But I'm a guy for one. For two. I'm not 100 pounds. Right. She was 100 pounds. That she was lucky, right. She might have been like somewhere around 90.

33:42 Jesus Christ, yeah. This, don't need to revisit all those conversations. We know, but. But enough. Enough of that. Let's go back and talking about AR. All right. Yeah, that's our main mainstay. That's home base, home base, comfort zone, cover zone. All right. So true social. Yeah. So the name I obviously fucking hilarious why you can't on the face of it, it's just it makes you kind of groan and roll your eyes immediately.

34:14 Yep. And then instantly remember it because it's it is catchy. It's an earworm from what I understand. It's like deeply bankrupt. Good, good, good. I'm happy about that. Not that I know anything, you know, I don't know. This is what's circulating online, right? It's circulating online that he spent millions on it and tried to build contractors out of money.

34:41 Trump doing not paying people. No, no. Yeah. So, I would like to see this trail much better lit if people are going to single females are going to. Sorry I can't get it out of my mind. If single single females that are 9,200 pounds are going to jog in the absolute dark. I wish this trail had lights all down there.

35:01 Oh hell yeah, good lord. I mean, there's barely ambient light in this motherfucker. There was no seeing. Like I couldn't make out a face. I couldn't make out no, no details about her other than it. She was most probably a 90 pound woman. I mean, she could have been just like a fucking specter as far as we knew, right?

35:18 Like, right. Like we're just hallucinating. She. She wasn't even there. She was a collective hallucination. A mere shade that makes me feel better about it. Yeah.

35:28 She was up. What? What did what did Scrooge say in that play? A bit of bad and dyspeptic. A bit of bad cheese in the night of it. But yeah, you could just be a peptic ulcer. It could be a something that's causing me hallucinate. Yeah. Why should I believe my own eyes? Certainly, rabbit. So, the boy was something else.

35:54 Which? True social bots. Yeah. So you get kicked off the Twitter, you know, because you're a jackass. Yeah. And that's that's it. He's he's placing blame on this other service and saying I had to create this. Yeah. And then basically just say you plagiarize Twitter or you make a Twitter clone, you know, that's so cool. Creepy. This is like creepy morning, right?

36:18 That, there's a empty trash helmet just laying here right in the middle of the trail. Yeah, like someone died there, and they just left the helmet kicking the body weight of haste. Yeah. It's like if you have a chalk outline around. What the hell? What was that? Okay. Who was that? Oh.

36:37 That's like the cat looking out the window in the dark. Yeah. You're like, what the what? What do you see? What do you see? What's out there? Yeah. And and they're just wide eyed and fixated. Yeah. Their eyes are huge. Yeah. Because, you know, they see their they see their reflection. You know, it's probably what it is. Have you ever been a peeping Tom?

36:59 No. Really. No. Like for as a kid, for fun, you never, like, ran out in the neighborhood and looked in someone's window. Yeah. Like it. I think I was like 10:00 at night or something. 8 or 9, something like that, and was looking in the neighbor's window watching their TV. I have a very similar experience. I was going to share my story.

37:20 That's just like that. So we had the local cable company had these remotes that controlled the cable boxes. Yeah, well, every single remote was the same. Yeah, right. Yeah. And I ran across the street, my friend Shane, his two brothers, it was 10:00 at night or something like that. That was I went in their window and I had the remote from my mom's house, and I started changing the channel, cranking the fucking volume.

37:48 Oh, my God. Their mom came in and they were fully freaking out. They were freaking out. Hilarious. They're arguing with each other and each other. Yeah, totally. They probably still tell that story to this day. Oh, I spilled the beans. Oh. You did? Yeah. It's like the next day or two, I went over and told them I. That was me.

38:09 We were all. We're all louder. That's good. And, I was there for long enough to where? When I first got there, the the older brother was asleep on the couch. Oh, shit. Right. Yeah. And the two younger brothers came in. They were watching some cartoon or something on TV. Yeah. Before I started messing with the remote, I was just kind of watching them for a second, you know?

38:31 Well, saying the older brother was on the couch and he actually rips a fart in his sleep. Right. And you're close enough to the window to hear this concussion. Well, it was so quiet outside that I can hear everything inside. You know, anything they didn't want to stop.

38:48 Today's weird morning. So anyway, he rips off, fart in his sleep, and the other two brothers are, like, laughing, you know, pool poo humor. Oh, yeah. The other two brothers are dying laughing because, you know, just randomly in his sleep, he rips apart. And, so then they start messing with them, they wake him up or whatever. Right.

39:09 And that's when I started screwing with the TV, and it was fucking hilarious, like, I was I was biting my time like, what's the right moment? I wasn't going to crazy with it. Yeah. You know, I was like, every once in a while, like, turn it up one notch or turn the channel just one, not wait 30s one notch, you know what I mean?

39:30 Yeah. You know, it's like at 100 or whatever. The max was a little psychological warfare here. Yeah, and like, you'd actually see the TV tick up another, you know. Yeah. You know, it has the on screen display, right. Like you get your green bar or however they did the on screen display. Yeah. And then of course change the channel, shut it off.

39:47 You know, all that fun shit. And the mom came in and the mom was like, determined to figure out why this is happening. And they were raised like, when they were really young, when, before their parents divorce, they, they lived like, kind of remote, like outside of the town quite a ways. And they had a football field, literally a literally a football field because their property butted up against another school.

40:16 Okay. They didn't go to that school, but it was adjacent to the school. Yeah. And it was so cool to go over their house because we had a whole football field to play it. That's fucking awesome. You know, and talking about the parents having peace of mind, you know, right outside and see a football field and the kids right there.

40:32 Yeah. So it's like ridiculously safe. Yeah. Type things. And we'd ride our bikes in the field and everything else. Right. So it was really cool I remember. But they were really religious, like they were raised like really some orthodox or some really. It was Christianity, but it was some really, really strict, oh my god. And, they even went as far as to have like this, that thing with the, with the different linens.

41:02 So, like, you can't mix fibers. Oh, wow. And so their mattresses were like these. They're on the floor. And they were like these really thick, series of, like, cloth linens, tethered together. Wow. Yeah. Their mattress was, like, 100 sheets. Wow. Like fun together. And just on the floor. On the floor. Yep. And I remember later, it was super comfortable.

41:31 Oh, wow. It was. Yeah. It was like, really? It was like, had that firmness. Yeah. To it. So it was this perfect blend of firm and soft. Yeah. And I guess it was like this whole thing against mixing fibers. Okay. And the monastery, the mom made all the clothes. Oh, wow. But they didn't look like homemade clothes.

41:51 They looked, like, decent. Yeah. Oh they did. Yeah, the kids were. The kids were dressed always dressed very nicely and decently, but it looked like they could have bought them from some store. Yeah. It was close enough to the. Yeah. Okay. So she had modern patterns, modern fashion and. Yeah. She was she was really skilled and all that stuff.

42:11 But they had all this like very old school traditional rules. I guess you're going to call it. Yeah. It was very little House on the Prairie ish. Wow. That's crazy. And the tie into the story. They had no TV. Yeah, the parents barred them from TV when they were case, but then as they got older, they kind of.

42:30 Yeah. The the old man ran off with them was like, I need a babysitter TV. You know, there's probably probably something to that. It was probably a big part of it. Well, I'm sure you got to keep the kids occupied. And the youngest one was like, probably 6 or 7. Oh, oh. We. And, so anyway, there are three boys, and, the divorce hit this lady really hard.

42:53 She started smoking and like, she had to go work a job now, like, couldn't be a house maker anymore, right? So she's like, you know, renting an apartment, basically making it happen, you know? Yeah. He's busting her ass. Right. And if we were working a couple of jobs. Yeah. And and so all the rules change. Well, they have to have an associate.

43:14 Yeah, because all the rules change for her big time. Yeah. And I don't know the details. Like, I was too young to. I, I'd have to. I'd have to, like, reconnect with this person and ask. Right. If you tell me about your life for my podcast. Yeah. I mentioned you in my podcast. I'd like some details.

43:35 And so now I need details on your parents divorced when you're seven. How about it? Yeah. Starts going into, like, a rocking back and forth. You know, it's like the worst thing I ever could have said to him. He's like, daddy. Daddy would come in and night, daddy, where's my blankie? Where's my boy? Oh, God.

44:00 Don't take off your belt, dude. Calm down. No, daddy. Not more than one finger fits in there. Oh, God. Yeah. I don't think it was that much of a Christian household. There is that kind of Christian, I'm saying. Yeah, they weren't that. They weren't that devout. Yeah, exactly. They weren't the Duggars. Yeah. So they they do the whole, you know, only only single fiber clothing.

44:29 And, you know, they do all that stuff. And they'd read Leviticus, but they weren't really hardcore. They didn't figure their children. Yeah. They tried, they tried to follow the way of the Levites, the fucking priesthood, but you know. Yeah, I think that was the classic scenario where the religious, the religion put so much pressure on them, like society was so asynchronous to the way they were living that they that eventually.

44:57 Yeah, the pressure of society. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Because, I mean, TV back then was a very social component. People would talk about it as the watercooler. People would talk about it at school. Did you see this? Did you see that? Yeah. There's a certain amount of, participation in the the norm. What do you want to call it?

45:14 Yeah, you have to. And I've talked to I talked to my ex-wife about this a lot. Like figuring out one of the reasons I didn't become, like, a, doomsday prepper is I'm too painfully aware of the need to participate in society. In what level? You have to engage. Yeah. And if you're in this scenario, we talked about this before, but, you know, you're basically terrorizing your own mind, playing out these scenarios constantly.

45:44 You are just fixating on it. You're wasting all of your resources and you're denying yourself opportunities. And, you know, you have to really be educated to, like, know how to rotate out your food stocks. And yeah, like, have a real plan in a lot of mistakes to make. Yeah. And you would have to be, part of a network as well.

46:03 You would, you would because you need that social component. You need the people to support. You need the skills from outside of you because there's no way you have the time to learn them all. Yeah. Because it doesn't. People that are out there in a, in a, you know, all arms roving around in a few pickup trucks, you know, notice a light on or smoke coming out someplace and you're fucked.

46:24 Right. So you have to have a posse. Yep. And now that you have scale, you have to have everything else at scale, right? So like your food, your shelter, your clothing, everything. You know, all your means real, your organizational hierarchy. Right? Yeah. You have to have. Right. And now you're dedicating a pretty decent chunk of your life to like your militia group and getting very asymmetric to society.

46:49 Oh, yeah. And being perceived like suffering in the moment for a hypothetical possible, you know. Yeah. Rare chance future. There was a guy I mentioned before, that was desert is best friend's husband. He grew up in a basically cult. Oh, you know, the, what you said the bakers. Yeah. Members. Him. So they had a bunch of land?

47:22 I think it was pla. They called it. Can't remember what it stands for now, but it was basically they ran a cult. Weird. And, well, you know, my theory that it's like we're all just. We are by different names, but this was a very this was one that was very harsh on people. Like they lived in tents on this land, got the bakers and.

47:42 Gotcha. And they dedicated all their resources to the bakers. That's that's not cool. No. Very extractive. Well, hey, a lot of those models are. And I think all of them are cults. They're all. They all have various degrees of extraction. True. Yes. Change the language. Right. You just call it tithing instead of extracting, and it sounds better. And how much are you really putting your thumb on the scale of someone's life, you know?

48:09 Yeah, but yeah, I'm not down with any of it. Maybe. Dude. Totally. So the. We can't seem to get too far on the true social, but it must not be something we really want to talk about. I know that's something I'm about to discuss heavily. That's funny. Well. Good morning. Morning.

48:29 Yeah. So, that last way to do it right there. Yeah. I have a big dog and a and I had a light and ignore everybody and, neon colors. Yeah. So, I will I will go somewhere with the truth idea. Right. And that is this idea of these, you know, echo chamber vacuums. We talked about that a bunch of times, too.

48:50 Yep. And how really polarizing and kind of, identifying these things become. So to a lot of these people, it becomes the crux of their identity. Yeah. And it's not what they call a cult of personality. Yes. Here we go. There we go. You know, and so Trump has figured out how to be that cult of personality and extract resources from these people.

49:16 You know, with one scam after another. Right. With, with the, with the, with the wealthy immunity of that two tier system and hiding behind that. Yeah. Hiding behind that and also saying, oh it was an accident that we left the. This is a monthly contribution checkbox checks by default for all of our donations. Yeah. Then they they got basically an interest free loan of a few million for a while until the suits went through.

49:46 It's crazy. And then something like 4 million and then the time value of money they still made out because you didn't put it back. They, they, they sat on the money for some say in an interest free loan. Right. They were able to use it to make money. Right. Yeah. And, you know, without calling out anybody specific, I have a family member.

50:07 That's, that's, you know, wrapped up in that. Hey. And, you know, I, I, I've tried to talk to him, but. Right. It's like fucking see, you know, once, once you get into the. I don't even know what it is like once you get into a certain brain change. Right. Like once your, once your mind has, has agreed that that that's the narrative that you're going to going to believe and it gets integrated into your identity.

50:34 Yeah. You know it's like smoking. Yeah. True. You know it's like someone eats. They have to go smoke. Yep. They're driving the car. They have to smoke a cigarette. Get up. Yeah. Just. Right. Right. All these little triggers, they have their coffee. They got out of smoke with their coffee. Yeah. All these couplings, right. Of the cigarette integrating into their life.

50:54 The same thing happens with this, these ideas. Because these ideas lead ideas lead to behaviors. Oh, 100%. And leaf is the seed for action and behavior. Yes. And so those ideas lead to these actions that are coupled with them. And it's the same idea. And it becomes becomes an addiction just like smoking. And it becomes a habit to that.

51:21 Just a habit of mind and body. Right. Yeah. And so, for example, tuning into Fox News that at night, as part of this ritual and listening to Tucker Carlson basically tell you how you're going to think, you know, and that's it. He spoon feeds you these chunks of ideology that you are to pare it back. And it doesn't.

51:43 You can just go to Fox News for and watch it for, let's say, a week and then talk to one of these people and that you know exactly what they're going to say, right. About everything. Right. You know, the thing is that we will probably let you coast for a few months. Yeah. That's right. With the general ideas.

52:00 Yeah. Right. And, you know, this person that I'm talking to you about is a, you know, really close to home and. Yeah, basically, now alienated from everything that has to do with my family. That's rough. Oh, and and, his son actually is, is now having a big problem with him. Really? Yeah. It's actually causing a division between him and he and his son, like.

52:25 Yeah. And his son is, like, about to become college age and all kinds of stuff. Like, I think next year coming, coming into his own intellectually and, socially and. Yeah. And I, I fear that he's just going to ghost it, you know, when the time comes. I mean, it would be the easiest thing for him to do over what, you know.

52:43 A fucking dumb ass ideology. But it's not worth it. But worth it. So. So if I had a if I had a if I had a wedge issue with my kid, right. That like, we couldn't get over, you know, I'm way big enough to say to my kid, look, my relationship with you is way more important than this.

53:03 Is it even possible for you to use that phrase with wedge issue to describe it to that person? I don't know. I don't know because, yes, I don't know if that language would help. Well, that that really clarified it for me. I guess that really said, hey, this is driving a wedge between the two of us. This is really this is something where I might lose the person.

53:24 Yeah. There. Right. And so, you know, if you love your kid. Of course you do. Right. Like. Yeah. Of course. Absolutely. You know, you think that you'd be able to zoom out and not be so engrossed? Yeah. You know, like like a what are the stakes? You know, but the intellectual weight of this ideology, you know, it has all the hallmarks of a cult in that it does require you to get rid of all the other opposing ideologies.

53:52 You can't. It says, no, these ideas cannot exist in companion with anything else. Yeah. And it's the use of language is so remarkable. Like, you know, the person a mr. Smith, you know, stabs Mr.. Mr.. Carpenter. Right. Right. And so, or Mr. Stevenson, the third easier name. So then, like in the court of law, you know, maybe the defense says, you know, Mr..

54:21 Mr. Stevenson wasn't really happy with the outcome of the altercation that he had with Mr. Smith. You know, he's he's dead. You know, like, because he was stabbed to death. And so you can use this, like, use of language where you can say, you know, the defendant wasn't.

54:38 Rather the plaintiff. You know, plaintiff's family, his guys did. The plaintiff's family was not happy with the outcome of their altercation. Yeah. Right. And then and then the prosecution might turn around and say, you know, Mr. Smith stabbed and Mr.. Right. Because but, you know, in horrible, horrible rage. Yeah. The plaintiff's family is trying to exercise, euphemism here.

55:02 They're trying to lighten it. They're trying to skate. Really? What happens right by this use of of misappropriated use of soft language? Yep. To inappropriately describe the encounter. Yeah. Which then frames it in people's mind in a different flare, different flavor and theme. That's very that's very much the crux of the kind of things that happened on Truth Social.

55:24 That kind of things happened on Fox News. Exactly. That's exactly what I was getting at. Yeah. Yeah. And so, like, Tucker Carlson will use terminology like they raided his home. Right. And so the saying the police, the FBI, executed a search warrant looking for a particular things at. At Mar-A-Lago. Yeah. They choose to inflame certain things. They choose to use certain.

55:48 Okay. So they've they've all changed the meaning of certain words right through their usage. Yeah. So they have all these trigger words that they use to get their base inflamed. Yeah. So when someone is explaining something to you and that's your single source of, of explanation for how something was or how something went down and they used that language.

56:09 They say he raided his home, raided his private residences. Right. They rifled through his personal effects. They took his passports. Yeah. Right. You know, and that's the single trough by what you're feeding and getting your narrative. Those specific use of those words frames something in your mind. And really, that's a really different picture of what happened to their credit.

56:33 They use very simplistic language that is hard to hard to refute because it's very emotional too. Yeah. Emotionally driven, simple language rated almost like barbarians. Yeah. No. You know, and then they imply that they pillaged by saying they took his personal things. They went into his son's room and went through his son's personal effects. Of course, they get like they violated the son that, you know, wasn't even there.

57:00 Yeah. They don't they they don't leave that part out. Almost like the kid is on the bed shaking and crying while they're ripping the head off his teddy bear, looking for, you know, in documents. And we all know Baron is of school age. Baron would have been in school. We even know what school. Baron goes to its public.

57:16 I don't know about that, but. Yeah. Yes. Right. So this this use of language to frame things in a very particular, you know, light and to shape a consistently shape. And I know is I go to Florida. Go ahead. You know, and DeSantis has this commercial right now about a bunch of people thanking him, right, for not shutting down the Florida during Covid.

57:41 And, you know, it just dead people don't talk. So. Yeah, it's a it's an easy commercial to pull off because there's nobody to rebut because they're all dead. Yeah. All the people who might have a contrary opinion have been long since dead. Yeah. Dead men tell no tales. So. Hey. There you go. So good. Time for a commercial.

58:02 Yeah. I mean, it's it's the it's the small minded dictator tactic, right? But, you know, so someone that's constantly fed this narrative. Right? You can almost see why they would get their worldview shaped as their way. You can, you can. So it's almost like a way you can kind of have empathy for them and say they just don't know the difference because they're being fed this narrative.

58:27 Because Fox News isn't about news, even though it's in the name. It's about a narrative. It's about a worldview. It's about engaging you in this ecosystem so they can pump you for cash. And then the other side is doing it in a different way. Right. Like if you want to just say their size. Yeah, there are sides so to speak.

58:50 But it's all the same game. I mean CNN, MSNBC, BBC, all them the same thing. You know, like, oh my God, it's so outrageous. You know, look at what's happening in the world now. Watch this at. So it's all the same game. It is. You know, it's just in some cases a little less overt. Yeah maybe. And I guess I guess one of them like you can kind of argue that MSNBC or maybe even CNN is, is even more insidious because they can clear a lot of the critical thinking filters.

59:21 They can get through a lot of critical thinking filters and people just because of their their previous reputations. Well, they're presenting the information in a in a way that will get past most critical thinking filters. Well, so people will say they're giving me the facts. Yeah. And now watch this ad. And that's where people come with Fox News too.

59:41 They they turn off their critical thinking. Thinking filter after after you've established something as a credible source in your mind. Critical thinking filter for the most part, most people maybe, but I, I don't know, I, I still I've never been never watched Fox News and been like wow, that's I'm you know, I've never been able to turn off my critical.

1:00:01 I've been huge into questioning things forever. I got kicked out of my grandparents house at 16 because I dared to argue with my grandparents about points in the Bible and argue with Rush Limbaugh every day after school. Yeah. So you're looking at probably, you know, probably two standard deviations away on the on the stream of people in the modern era that can actually navigate the misinformation buffet before us.

1:00:32 I mean, I'm going to say it's tough. I would say that very few people, I don't even think I, I'm good enough to, to to see it all. I, I definitely don't have a view on all of it. I, I feel like occasionally I just catch the bright spots. There's probably like 1 to 3% of the population that is mostly immune to misinformation.

1:00:55 Like it's got to be a really small because we are so endless, very rich people who are outside the flow of it. Maybe, maybe. But you know, I, I haven't watched news and I can't even tell you how long because I, I can't, I just can't do it. It's like I'm too busy in my life. My my mind is is too engaged, you know, with things that I have that must have my attention.

1:01:21 Yeah. I don't do it either. I and and when I do, I don't get anything out of it. Right. And but in some ways, I lament it because I feel like I should know the news of the day. But then I keep coming back to the fact that the news of the day is so low content now. It is.

1:01:38 It feels very low, these kind of nominator. Yeah. You know, and it's like push, push through the headlines and now you're informed. Right. You know. Right. You got your little five minute dose of knowledge. And then let's not let's not forget the selection of topics that are reported upon is that pre filter. But I used to really enjoy pre-selection of knowledge is vice news vice news here I really enjoyed that.

1:02:06 So these these you know media moguls have this massive I mean I've said this a million times, but it is worth repeating. You know, the various media companies have this massive power over people because they can pre-selected the topics. You know. Right. They say these are the headlines. This is the important things that you should be focused on right now.

1:02:25 And then I don't think many people get past that. Right. You know, when, when when in truth, in our society right now, the biggest story, there's two major stories, in my opinion, that should be drummed into people's heads every day on the nightly news. One is the diabetes epidemic, right? Yeah. Huge. It's killing everybody. So it's like fucking horrible.

1:02:50 You know that. And and two is the actual separation of wealth in this nation. The distribution of wealth in this country. Like those those are the two newsworthy themes on a, on a regular basis. And whenever you bring up the diabetes epidemic you bring up, you know, hopefully you're bringing up with it all of the other health crisis crises that surround it.

1:03:11 Oh, it's like it is a central hub of so many other things. Yeah. You know, it's being poisoned from the from the food industry. You know, heart disease correlation tied in with that. The obesity, the dysfunction, the disability, the obesity cap. Yeah. Everything that comes with the function and disability from it is just that's such a horrible scourge.

1:03:33 But it just takes it. Sure these people live but their quality of life plummets. Right. And that's why it should be a daily news thing like all the different angles of it. Right? Drum it into people's mind that something has to change, right? Yeah. It's not just personal choice is a factor, but it's just one of many factors and keep beating all the different factors.

1:03:54 You know personal choices. What the primary idea in most people's minds. But as we've discussed unfortunately personal choice can be winnowed down. Personal choice can be a, you know, moved much like you would engineer moving a river. Absolutely. From there, social norms and defaults. Well, there are social norms and defaults, but also that are overlapped into personal choice.

1:04:23 Yeah, social norms and defaults. But also we're tying in this information stream that we keep talking about. Your information stream affects a ton of your personal choices. Yes. And misinformation is a component of marketing. Yeah. So like it's a completely viable function before profit company. Let's say that selling some some some product that's not healthy for you. Yeah.

1:04:46 It's completely within the domain of moral acceptability. And in fact it would be your, your your duty if you will, if you're in that role in the company to disseminate misinformation about the terrible health, negative health consequences. At least create a cloud around it of happiness and good times and good feelings, right? Yeah. I mean, it's not called a Happy Meal for no reason.

1:05:13 Right. You know, it's McDonald's is the largest toy manufacturer. And we set up for ten. Yeah. It's like because they're they're selling an emotion. Well, there. And the children at a young age to get them emotionally tied to that product. And if you hear right there on the guy who founded the place. Right. He says what business story end and ultimately his conclusion that he comes to his real estate.

1:05:42 Yes. There you go. And you know and that's the thing. It's they are in the best corners. Where you get the most traffic to most eyes. And then that facilitates them doing anything they want. Yeah. It normalizes their product in society. It does. And you know like I said before with the canvasing idea of the Coke machines everywhere, you know, it gives you the impression that soft drinks are what you're supposed to be drinking.

1:06:09 Well, all the time. Every time. Right. And it it makes it easier. It reduces that friction. Yeah. I mean, if if cocoa had it their way, they'd have a Coke machine in your house. Right. That you paid the vendor yourself. Right. Exactly. You're paying a monthly fee to to fill it up. Like you. You rent the vending machine from them, and they come and get the dollars out of it.

1:06:31 Yeah. That's how they'd want it. Oh. And you pay for your own inventory.

1:06:38 Nasty. I mean, you'd probably be popular amongst your friends. Oh, you would. You know, you have that a few pinball machines, but that movie big. Yeah. Did he have that in there? He had a fucking coke. There you go. Then he could throw a sock at and get a Coke at us. I rest my case. It's exactly what I'm talking about.

1:06:56 Yeah, it's like there's there's these cultural chains that have come normalized in the vernacular of our society. Yeah. Culturally normalized. And they were trying to come up with things that should be the dream of every kid, right? Yeah. In that movie. Right. And there we go. Right. Like. Like real time access to soft drinks. Yeah. Yeah. Like you want one?

1:07:13 Throw the sock at the thing. It's out. It's ice cold. Ready to go? Yo, don't worry about the the health effects. Don't worry about it. It's a culturally, you're taking the pinnacle of the culture, right? Yes. Distilling it down to having it direct access at your fingertips and using that to amplify your own critique. Like your own persona.

1:07:37 Yep. Like, so you're you're you're, piggybacking on the the cultural acceptability of those things around you. Right. Like, that's what fashion is. Yeah. It is. Fashion is adorning yourself with the labels and logos. And that's why we apply the word fashion to, you know, those are the things we've been talking about. To what the, you know, not just the close of the day, but what are the fashions as far as thought and, you know, action.

1:08:06 Yes, yes.

1:08:10 Morning. Morning.

1:08:18 It's funny how, he couldn't hear us because he had earbuds in, but he was relying on us not having earbuds in. Yeah, exactly. He. He had a tiny little ding of a bell, hoping that we would hear it. Yeah. And if we both had earbuds in and weren't doing what we were doing, we'd have the conflict, right?

1:08:36 Yeah. Yeah. So the preponderance of one's existence becomes your affiliation with those fashionable norms of your society, you know? And like you can you can reduce pretty much any individual to their interplay with those artifacts of society. Right. And then you call that the bulk majority of people, you know, and that's what people say in the colloquial sense of keeping up with the Joneses and, you know, all that kind of stuff.

1:09:03 Right. It's like you're you're just trying to fit in. Yeah. Simple as possible. Yeah. And you know all about trying to fit in. You you reduce all the bumps, all the all the protrusions, all the weird things about yourself. You flatten yourself out so that you fit in. You blend in. That's the thing you want to blend in.

1:09:24 You want to be not. And it's this idea of being almost wholly unremarkable. Yeah. And that might be the conduit by what your, see, you know, is able to propagate. Yeah. Because you've hidden from all the prey. I mean, not predators. I mean, you are in your predator. You worked yourself into the center of the herd. Yeah.

1:09:47 Acting exactly like everyone around you. So you're nondescript. Yep. And then you don't get eaten by the lion. And you. And you lay low. Just enough. There is taken down, not you. Yeah. You know, in a in a metaphorical sense. And so what you end up with is the ability to then spread your seed. So your biological function is fulfilled to propagate.

1:10:10 Yeah. And it could all come down to that base level, you know, and I'm sure it's that and a whole host of other things. The fact that we are so socially driven, you want to belong and you want to feel like you've achieved. You want to feel like you've climbed the ladder, you know. Yeah. It's it's it's our biological function to procreate like every other living thing.

1:10:32 It's a meaning of life. Well, yeah. Procreation. But I'm also saying there's a central component of success and and moving on up. To and and that measure of success is constantly shifting. Yep. Right. So you just just look around and you just, you just tether yourself to what would be considered the middle class at any given moment in history.

1:10:53 Right. And that's being successful. Yeah. That's enough to pass your genetics. It is. It's enough to ensure that, you know, your progeny will live on in a healthful sort of way without parasites and be able to do the same thing he did. Yep. And then he'd say, well, oh, God, what's the point of that? It's terrible. You know, you hope civilization progresses enough with enough peace to where people can start to define their own purpose, you know, beyond survival and preparation.

1:11:24 Yeah. You want the next generation to move beyond where you were.

1:11:30 But you want them to have greater latitude and freedom, which in modern society just means more money. It really wants to be honest. Money and resources. Yeah. Oh, aren't they one in the same? Oh. One can equate to the other, but one can quickly sour.

1:11:52 Like, let's say. And this has happened overnight in a few African countries or in Cuba or other places. Your money becomes worth nothing.

1:12:09 You know. What do you mean? Because the economy is like the fiat currency of the economy. Yeah. Right. So people just get by in another way. Right. Yeah. But what I'm saying is, all those resources you amassed, if they're in the form of money. Oh, okay, I see. Yeah. There. So you have to verse five. Yeah. In a, in a climate where the money in of itself could possibly be viable.

1:12:32 Yeah. Okay. So you have to own some chickens and cows and land. Yeah. So you get maybe on whatever whatever passes is as a secondary currency in your society. So I guess it's always in everyone's best interest to invest in a pretty decent set of tools. There we go. Because you can always make money with others. Yeah. Even if you just let them out to people or even maintain yourself.

1:12:59 Like. Yeah, yeah. You maintain your resources and increase the value thereof of those resources. So I guess you'd want a certain, you know, back to the doomsday idea. Right. And you'd have to consider a decent firearm collection with a decent ammunition stockpile. I guess I suppose part of that. I guess it depends on the level of of the area we're talking about and why it's volatile.

1:13:23 Yeah. Well, they do like the currency collapses type idea. Yeah. You know, and all hell breaks loose. Oh, yeah. You're gonna need to shoot some people. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. So, you know, we've talked before about this, like a basic basic income. You know concept. Yeah I love it. And I was thinking about that and my conclusion was that we really kind of, we really kind of have that already as it is.

1:13:52 It's just it's just a shrouded system. Like a lot of people are on disability. For example. Right. Like a lot of people are like lifers when it comes to being on disability. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yep. And so that's a form of but basic income. It is a form of basic income. But it's not the easiest thing to get.

1:14:14 Really. Yeah. I don't know man I yeah there's a lot of places where like everyone's on this. Well yeah. In Kentucky, where my family is, everyone is eventually. But like my uncle who's on it, who also works. He, we took him years to get on it, like, nearly a decade. I mean, there's people that are just fat.

1:14:39 They get on it. And their diabetes, they're so bad they can't walk, right? He has degenerative disease and all of the, I guess, pads between his vertebrae of ruptured and it's bone on bones, bone on shit and subjective. You can go to your doctor and say you have certain pain, you know, part of your body. Well, research how to fake it.

1:15:01 Well, sure, pain is highly subjective. And then within a certain amount of iterations, you're on a disability. They're not. They're not really. He doesn't have the money to be on in pain management. So he just deals with it with no drugs. Whereas my dad, he has the money has the same disease. So he's a lifelong learning addict. Guess as long as you have your morphine, that's okay.

1:15:24 Yeah. You know, but seriously, about this idea is that there's so many people on on some type of disability or. But but it's not universal. No, it's not universal, but it's a step in that direction. Sure. So many people are on some form of, you know, government pay out of your mommy. Yeah, but it's not much. It's a pittance.

1:15:45 Yeah. It's not it's not like, yeah, you're not going to like really get ahead. And that's what we're talking about with UBI. It's enough to provide basic needs. It's not a pittance. It's enough to let someone. I think the key here that we keep talking about integration into society, it's enough to give someone that basic integration of society.

1:16:06 Yeah. Yeah, but I know that I know personally plenty of people that are on disability that are working. Yes. Under the table, you know, like I, I just met the other day with this lady and that's what I'm saying. My uncle is there. She's on disability, but she also works as a nanny and is making pretty decent money doing that.

1:16:25 My uncle is doing shitty construction jobs and killing himself that way. You know, if you're a widower and you're on disability, you have your Social Security survivor benefits. Right? Yep. You have the retirement payout from whatever insurance policy that bill man had that are bad with. If if right if your family had and disability. So disability social security payout from a fund from the insurance from the death.

1:16:56 Assuming you. Yep. Yep. You can even if it's rudimentary. Right. And then working working a side hustle as a nanny. Next thing you know you're you're making 120 K here and you know. But I think she's an outlier like no no doubt. But if she's found her niche, she has and she's managed to put together a few things to give herself a comfortable life, and she's probably not making it in 20 years, probably making 50.

1:17:22 Well, I think she said she made 120. Holy shit. She said that? Think so? That's insane. You know, she sees it as she sees it as part of her own, Crowley's, well, I guess. Morning. Hey. How you doing?

1:17:39 Everybody. She sees it. She sees it as part of her. Her, intelligence. Like she was smart to put herself in that angled situation. Let me in two degrees. Sure, but I don't respect it.

1:17:54 Yeah, it's funny, because all these people that are in the top 1%, right? They have a the system itself is hustling for them. Right. Like every day. Yeah. But we look so in such disdain about someone that's milking the system. Yeah. And excuse me. And you're right, it guess it's the degree and methods what you're using that we glorified.

1:18:14 Right? Yeah. We're like we we we look up to those that, you know, just just basically the system is rigged to work for them. Right. They're there where they live their lives on perpetual debt and just leverage asset after asset that they acquire. Right. And everything grows and they make out like bins. Yep. And we mentioned Tucker Tucker Carlson.

1:18:35 It's like he's on tape talking about how he doesn't have to work. He does his trust fund. And you know, his parents set him up. Well, I mean, okay. And to bring up somebody else who doesn't have to work that has a trust fund and comes from a rich family who's also in the news. Interesting. Cooper. Yeah, he's from the Vanderbilts.

1:18:52 Right. And so they they get themselves in this nice position of like some kind of, you know, newscaster or whatever. Because but a top newscaster, a high profile newscast. Sure, sure, sure. And, you know, there's there's there's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, so it's like, literally living a charmed life. I mean, it really is. Yeah.

1:19:15 Package for you. That's be. Wow. Sam.

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