Bowing to the Absurd

0:00 To a particular environment and lifestyle they must adapt to and you know. Same, same sort of thing, I say. So like humans in general, just we adapt to our circumstances regardless. So even back when, you know, people had lived with parasites and, you know, like right buttons on them, they found a way to coming out on the pilgrimage road using a shit stick that other people had used.

0:25 You know, but they find a way to to find a piece of obsidian and sharpen it to cut all their hair off their head and then, like, cover themselves in a certain type of mud that that removes the parasites and freshly shorn. I've got to get rid of all the lice, and then I've got, you know, to, cover myself in mud to help with some of the skin stuff.

0:48 But, you know, whatever it is, right? You know, like, just finding a way, right? Things not suck. Figuring out, figuring out for one how to repair and heal themselves. That was like, you know, whether or not they knew it. That's priority number one. Yeah. And then, you know, there was a point where, like, I sent you the statistics the other day about all the people that are dying from drugs every month, you know, like just one type of drug.

1:16 And, you know, it's like you put them all together and you're like, oh my gosh, what's the what's the monthly or, quarterly or annual death toll. Right. Just in the United States from overdoses and, collateral fallout effects of drugs. It's got to be astronomical. You know, it's it's just nuts. Right. And so I remember this, stuck out.

1:38 I saw this video one time. It was your nurse, and she's talking about, the things that she would never, if she had, if she could control it, the things that she would encourage no one to ever do. Wow. And like, she listed a range of drugs that she sees people dying from. And then she said, ride a motorcycle.

1:56 Oh, yeah. Never let someone do that. Right. And then she said, mess with a firearm on any level, like any capacity, like get rid of guns. So it's like guns, drugs and motorcycles are I mean, they're tripping her out, you know? Right. I mean, especially if she's like the darkness. I'd imagine. You know, it's interesting that those are like the categories of, like, things that take out young people.

2:19 Well, yeah, I mean, it's a category of things that takes a while. People go shot wounds. Right. And then we go into some of the other things like riding a motorcycle that takes out dumb asses of all ages as well. Well, you know, sure, there's been a been a clever person on a motorcycle before, but yeah, in general, you know, you kind of have to be able to put two and two together.

2:45 Yeah, yeah. You go. I'm not against 101 hundred miles an hour on the interstate on a motorcycle, weaving in and out of cars right. You kind of have to maybe understand that you're on borrowed time. One little mistake. That's it. Yeah. You're right. You're toast. Yeah. You don't get another quarter in this game. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Why take that kind of risk.

3:11 That is an interesting aspect of youthful exuberance that that, kind of invulnerability. Well, yeah. Invincible invulnerability. You're willing to try or do anything because you think you're definitely going to come out the other side. It's weird how that's a thing. Maybe. I wonder if it's universal or if it's cultural. Oh, I think it's universal. I mean, I've seen yeah, I've seen like other animals just be like, fuck it, let's do it.

3:36 Taking major risks unnecessarily because there you go. Yeah. That youthful exuberance just overrides all logic. Well, hey, maybe other animals are similar in that they don't develop good decision making skills until later. Okay. Yeah. And then, you know, look at people. So like, we're, you know, we criticize all this risk taking of the youth and then but the youth have it fully developed.

4:02 Their, forebrain. Oh. So this way, right? Yeah. And then and then, you know, the, the adults and you look at the state of the world, you like, look, well, look what they've created. You know. So I don't know, I don't know. Yeah. Right. So it's it's it's, painfully obvious to me that a majority of all of my bad decisions that I've ever made almost invariably come from a, a knowledge gap, cognitive blind spots type things.

4:33 So, like, you don't know what you don't know to afraid to use a popular phrase, I guess. Yeah. And then if you take, life as a, as a preponderance of these cognitive biases, blind spots for majority of people in every aspect of every decision making and institution around you, you never have enough data. Yeah. Now, now, like the whole fuckery, if humanity is qualified and kind of excusable, it's like we're just doing the best we can with what we got.

4:59 Yeah. And it. Yeah. And the what we have is so overly estimated, like people have, you know, it's not taught people human nature is just to burn in order to to Tories for overestimating ourselves. Bring brain something stupid. You know, there's a theory that, Say, any aliens or sky daddies that must exist that may exist?

5:27 There's a certain idea of benevolence, like, hey, we're seeded from their genetic material or their transit groups, right? Oh, so inevitably it will be okay because they're seeded from divine alien DNA, right? Yeah. We can make up anything we want. And that's what I'm saying. That's what it is. It's like we've got guardian angels. You guys can suck it up.

5:46 Okay? We know you're going to suck it up. Yeah. So, like, the first, the first person that ever, you know, had had some type of, sufficient, like, nighttime lighting, right? Like, not just torch and candle light, but like, mechanical, modern bright light. Right? Right. Like 2000 lumens or better up in your eyeball. Yeah. That, that inevitably obscured the, glimpse into the Milky Way, you know, through light pollution.

6:16 Because, you know, I'm looking up in the sky right now, and there's a big, bright, almost like it's just missing the Batman symbol. Spotlight above Charlotte, North Carolina. You know, it's like there's a there's a, literally like a glow around glow above the city. It's this nimbus of light. It just permeates everything. And it's just always here.

6:35 It never quite gets dark. Yeah. And the symbol for Charlotte would have to be some silhouette of bad art, you know, like the the whole city is littered with like that. Oh, come on, it's cool. Or it's, there's very expressive of well done murals all over the place. Yeah. But I'm talking about in preponderance, not just one example, one artifact.

6:55 I'm talking about like the art on display in Charlotte in general is, in my opinion, freaking terrible. I mean, you know, I don't like the, the sculpture either. Looks like it's 1970s, you know, disco dancer met a bird, and they produce. Yeah. So if there was a beacon for Charlotte that was being projected in the sky, like the Batman symbol, it'd be a silhouette of some lousy piece of artwork.

7:23 Yeah, that would be that. That'd be the icon. The healing icon, for sure. Let's play with it. But we picked the Phoenix one with, with a with a, Queen's crown on it, too, like, it's, jauntily cut. Yeah. So it's crown, some shitty artwork, but it's crowns. So there you go. That's that's Charlotte's beacon. And maybe in the in the left or right corner, you see.

7:47 Yeah, yeah. There you go. You see it? It I mean, it somehow draws these drug induced people that are pseudo art artists from no duh love walking towards it like zombies to go create the next great thing. You know, I think they come on now, this is probably our audience, so. No, no, no, no, our audience is they're older females.

8:10 For some reason, our audience is probably hipsters. Come on. I think that's what you're driving right now. Yeah. You're right. You're protesting hipster hatred, right? But. But I think so far the data suggests our demographic is like older women, which is really is interesting to me. Yeah. I was talking to my grandmother, an older woman who about this and then and she's like, she goes, yeah, I don't really get that either.

8:37 She goes, she goes there. I will sit here and listen to you talk for hours. But it's totally different. It is. And, it's it's really like a very strange phenomenon to try to explain how the number one demographic of our podcast is older ladies. Anyway, let's change the of because I don't even want to want to guess as to how that came about.

9:04 Hey, man, I mean, I can make several guesses. And the older ladies in their experience knowledge, it probably had all of them already. But yeah, I don't need to say, okay, hey, we need to do a Q&A episode one time of like, all the questions that have rolled in from the website. Yes, yes. And, try to try our best to answer them.

9:24 Yeah. And then, you know, instead of just inline text and stuff like, like we have now, like, actually record verbose, answers to some really poignant questions that have been asked by some savvy older ladies. This is like, you know, possibly podcast bus and it's like, you know, it's on the overhead, system in nursing homes around the country.

9:50 Well, it's like, okay, we make fun of everything. So we're also making fun of the fact that someone would listen to us. We're kind of lampooning and being self-deprecating here and saying, you know, fuck could also do this. Like pedestrian recurring theme. That's self-deprecation. Welcome, everybody. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's like that's what we fall back to. That's home base, guys.

10:11 Well, one of my one of my favorite quotes from Star Trek this generation is this episode of lights is kind of, inordinately, brightly lit. Yeah, especially for about 6:00 in the morning. Right? Yeah. That's part of the art beacon silhouette, for sure. Like it's light pollution, like you were talking about. Yeah. So, anyway, there's this episode where they take on this.

10:34 There's a couple series of dying planets, and we're trying to evacuate the colonists, and colonists aren't that populous. So the ship can handle it. Now, it's not like a whole planet bustling with billions. It's like, you know, 7000 or something. Oh, shit. They can accommodate it. So there's to put these, people in the cargo hold temporarily. Well, this particular group of people is.

10:54 Oh, it's like a slave ship. But I wouldn't go that far. But they're, They decided to intentionally take on a more primitive, form of of living, like a certain. They they've adopted a certain amount of technology, and that kind of stops there. I think there's a mason Knights or, I don't know, some, some kind of, group here at Knights, Mennonites.

11:16 Is that them? Are the ones that swirl, but they allowed differing amounts of technology. Yeah, but there is actually a they seem to be an offshoot of Amish. Yeah. I was just going to say Amish two. Like I think has kind of ideas about limiting technology. Yeah. Well, so, you know, that that was the premise is a colony based on it.

11:40 And, so, you know, they have like cows and chickens and pigs and hay and spinning wheels and they probably have like, sensors that go out in their fields and, and, you know, a certain level of let's monitor it because we're on the order for an environment. So but nothing more complicated than maybe a few handheld terminals or something like that.

12:03 Sure. And, so they, are now aboard the enterprise because their, their, planet is supernova. Stars are being some, some terrible threat until enough generations that they've been on their planet that they're, you know, got this insular, small mind. Not really. They're they're like, very content with, with, what they have, what they are, who that who they are.

12:28 And so understanding the contrast I think so. Okay. And then, they, you know, trying to light fires for cooking, you know, even with all the technological sophistication around them, of course, they're just being germane to their own lives. Yeah, yeah. That's true. So, so, okay, I just that we've the some the point of all this is that, Picard in a really off character moment for the show, for his character in the show, starts laughing and, you know, while he is after some, you know, kind of interaction with these people, and, Riker asks him, you know what?

13:05 What's so funny? You know, good idea. Right? And his quote is, sometimes you just have to balance of the absurd, that the and, you know, is in reference of how this whole thing's playing out right now. He was he was in criticizing or mocking these people. He was it was the situation. Yeah. The the absurdity of it.

13:23 And boy, if I ever if I ever internalize that sometimes you have the power to be absurd. I have no idea why, but that resonated with me so much that I have completely internalized that philosophy, like in my life. Yeah. And if you do, it lets you be more adaptable and you get to laugh and a lot more because you're looking at things from the view of irony.

13:50 And that's like an X-ray. It just cuts through shit. Yeah. It's like it's like a not really an eye roll because with an eye roll, you're just like rejecting and mocking something. It's more in depth. It is. It is seeing it for what it is. What? See, you sarcastically with not running any, you know. Yeah. And that the, the idea of bowing to the absurd.

14:15 Well, yeah. Just giving in, letting it go. Yeah, yeah. Letting it go and stop trying to rationalize it and saying like, you know, like, what's the best way for me? It's like, I have a track record of, like, having to understand things. You know, like, like, come on, like, you know me, right? It's just, but it's it's a challenge.

14:34 It keeps coming up. Hey, this new thing, this new things, new things this year. Yeah, and certain beliefs and certain concepts that people adopt and subscribe to, to me, have been, almost paralyzing because, like in trying to understand how the hell some how can someone possibly think that, you know, like, for example, something to my mind that is, in my pseudo intellectual fashion, something that's, you know, not hard to understand.

15:07 And is clear, like, clean coal technology is a good idea, right? Yeah. So anybody that knows what coal is, it knows what the word clean means.

15:21 Rook. It knows clean means, has to understand that the chemical process of transforming coal into energy and waste brought waste products. That chemical equation up. Yeah. You you can't just invent like, you can't just change physics with an adjective. Yeah, well, you can't just throw a positive action for something and be like, well, of course it's that they called it that.

15:45 Guys. Yeah. And and I know that like that kind of marketing works. You know it does. And but the idea that that, that you know, and you can get soundbites of really famous politicians, who are. Yeah. Well, like Obama, for example, on stage talking about clean coal. Yeah. Because they paid him like $7.5 million or something.

16:10 Yeah. Which feeds into a clip talk cryptocurrency and all that. We don't even get into that conversation again. But, you know, at least not right now. Yeah. But, the point is, it's like, you know, in, in the past, I would spend a lot of time trying to understand, like how how did how it comes to be that large groups of people can, can believe that there's like, such a thing as clean coal, like.

16:32 Right. What how is that possible? Okay. The Clintons, they were on the speech circuit and making millions a year, you know, and, they, they were willing to sell their power, cachet and influence for more. Yeah. And, you know, that's probably an easy payday, you know, just just utter some nonsense that has a limited audience anyway. Probably what is something that needs to be quickly and heavily marketed, right.

17:03 That's that's your solution. Yeah. That's that's a, that's a problem for a lot of companies. Really potent bang for your buck. Yes. I think like you said, the change kind of framed concepts quickly in people's minds, which is, I guess, you know, part of the game. But the idea that that, Yeah, that's just one example I can go on forever about examples, but but that, that kind of idea of like, just bowing to the absurd has liberated me to some extent.

17:32 Yeah. Because you can just laugh. You can just say, oh my God, that's ridiculous. But it's still leaves you to room to analyze. Correct. Except deny you get you get that stand back some things a little bit. There's a certain objectivity. Yeah. And my, my previous like energy would be, you know, how could I reverse that. Like, so can I start up a website that, you know, helps set the truth or could I, you know, do do, so you can broadcast it?

18:02 You want to. Yeah. How can I work against it? Because it's so terrible, right? Because it's it's falsely shaping people's beliefs and it's harmful, you know, and on and on. But then maybe there's a better way. Maybe there's just this way of just saying, look, look at there's faux infomercials. There's got to be a better way. Yeah. And that better way just might be to just just literally just give in to it and say like, okay, it I can't fight it.

18:28 It's impossible. Because if let's say that I did, let's say that I temped that down and somehow managed to get an audience and that came to like my my single life objective was to go with the flow to the extreme. Yeah, well stop people from believing in clean coal. That became my focus right? Getting yourself still talking about the the flexibility.

18:48 Yeah. So what I'm saying is that, reclining on the divine couch, kind of. But but that's kind of like the, the after that. That's the conclusion. But I'm saying, like in the lead up to it, that if you put it in this like grand scorecard, you know, you can take your entire life the ambition and, and, and move against one particular piece of nonsense.

19:10 Yeah. One piece of absurdity. Right. And, you know, whatever you remove one piece of absurdity, a lot of other things get along with it. Yes, it is in context. Yes. And so so you combat an entire group of things at once, you in, in its entirety, you become, a complete waste of your life because in all the time it's a perspective that's just don't read opinion.

19:35 Like if that person who engaged in that all of their lives didn't feel like it's a always they've dedicated themselves to because they want it. Okay, I understand you want to in this choice and freedom and all that kind of fun stuff. But if you're if you're like ambition, okay, is to eradicate an absurdity from this world and to I think you're done this personally.

19:54 But look at the well, the reason that I think at the end of the day, your dumb ass is because in the time that you're sitting there combating it, a thousand of the things have emerged of equal weight that requires that attention to. And there's just not enough. Right? Right, right. How could you be so myopic to build your life around one particular issue?

20:11 Is that what you're saying? Yes. And so maybe what's the best thing to do is go to the absurd and just say, look, people are going to believe certain things. Yeah. And just about anything. Oh, definitely just about anything. Like yes. And so instead of trying to like, I guess there's like maybe two main schools of thought, you know, like if, if someone here don't oppose the flow of the river, you're standing in row.

20:37 Yeah. So if you're if you're faced with what you perceive as misinformation or ignorance amongst a large group of people, there's like maybe two competing ideologies. One would be to teach them to like, focus on teaching them to prevent that right or to improve that situation. I think that's the most effective. You'd get the most change. Yeah. I think another competing interest would be to say fuck it and take advantage of them.

21:02 Well, I think that's it's already happening. So like saying, okay, well if people are just organic members of what is that no difference in this current reality in which we are. Yeah. Well I, I just the way I'm, the way that I'm personally wired, I can't help but be in the teaching mode, not the. Yeah. And at the same way, I'd much rather gain wisdom and truth and understanding as well as impart it then to be in the.

21:32 Let me use people for my own gains. Yeah. And in the Oh yes. And in the, in the realm of like the unmeasurable, the question becomes like, what's the net effect of that attitude? If you're wanting to choose between the two attitudes, or if you want to choose between, this kind of false paradigm that I set up, this false duality of, like, take advantage of them or teach them right.

21:58 What do you actually estaran? What what what do you actually, for yourself end with at the end of the day, maybe it's no net effect with option A, which is then maybe in reality, there's no net effect. And then B, you just didn't do what you needed to do in life to, to get anything like you just sacrifice your whole life to what end?

22:21 There's something that's and does not clear and not measurable. That's the thing. Each person's Dom, they might not be able to define it, the thrust of their life in a way that necessarily someone else understands it. But we all kind of choose the thrust of our life. The way we spend ours is the way we spend our days.

22:39 So we all choose how the allocate or time. So let's say one is successful in stamping out the idea of clean coal and and figures that out. And you're right like society that and people would say that was a waste of your time. Other people would say that they would be much lauded and, you know, heralded and said, you got you did great.

22:59 There's clearly a point in the future where coal isn't even a fuel anymore. And right, like, sure, whether we burn it all up or on alternative, the sound, you know, which is obviously where technology is moving, but. Right. So there's a point in the future where it's absolutely irrelevant. And so the person that dedicated their life to stamping out a falsity about a particular thing, you see what I'm saying?

23:23 It might actually be better to just be out of the absurd and say, okay, if people are going to believe that that like clean, there's clean coal, what sort of purpose do you wish to have to just drift along the river of life to just be, be an observer, a chronicler, a jester at time? Well, thank you for asking, because that's exactly you.

23:44 You fell into my trap. So. No. So what I'm thinking is, like, you know how, if you were going to try to create a firewall for children, let's say using a, a technology like a router or something, right? Right. Like a, a router with a black list and a white list. Yeah. For different websites. Okay.

24:07 Makes sense. And you decide to start going about this task of getting, pornography, having less pornography come through to children. Yeah. Sounds like a good. So you sit there and you monitor the traffic and you see this one, website come through, and you're not you don't know what it is. And so they look up the website and sure enough, it's pornography.

24:30 Right. So you go to the little black list on the the little black list on the router, and you add the website. And now those kids aren't seeing that website anymore. Right. And then time goes by and another Wednesday pops up with pornography. So you put that one on the black list, right. And here you go. You're you're squirting the pornography.

24:50 Right. Well you're giving you're giving people a product potentially they can use to. Yeah. You're you're selling it or giving it away that they can use to make that change their lives. Right? I mean, that's having, you know, and multiplying effect. So what I'm saying is I'm spending my life time in my life to try to do what I perceive is something to which is systematically block pornography.

25:20 Through this router, I get what you're saying. This is saying you've made you want to stamp it out across the world, so you're distributing it somehow, your product or free. Sure. So that's happening too. But it's because I'm multiplying and trying to, you know, get it out there, open source it whatever. Right. Sure. And here I go.

25:38 Time day after day after day, blacklisting site after site after site after side after site. But I mean, there used to be something called Dans Guardian and it existed for a long time. It was like it. And so slowly but surely I read in the small pools, whatever, how many users I have, younger users. I'm slowly but surely, drawing down the the net volume of or really the parents of the other users.

26:04 Yeah. Or whoever, you know, whoever parents and guardians of younger users. Really, I would imagine the younger users would rather not employ here fortifications. Yes. And some, some of the younger users are finding ways to bypass my intervention. They're finding ways to tunnel fixing those. You're blocking some of those. You're mitigating some of those. You're making some of the more difficult.

26:24 Right? Yes. And so I'm sitting here playing cat and mouse with hundreds of thousands or have millions of users. Let's say there's a couple of people who have made their lives thrust, network time, protocol. Yeah, sure. You know, so I mean, yeah, it's just yeah, they're they're all equally ridiculous ways to spend your time. They have, like you said, a force multiplier effect because there's a distribution aspect.

26:54 Yeah. And so I decide after, a decade goes by, let's say I do a survey and I find out that an overwhelming majority of my, people that are that are under this umbrella of this technology of creating C-4 on a regular basis, and not only that, they whenever they want to, they can still access pornography. Okay, let's just say the estas children, you know, do you ever see this stuff?

27:24 And they're like, yes, yes, yes, eat it. And it's an honest answer to like it's yeah, yeah. So like Johnny trying to be cool refer to his friends. Yeah. So snarky smart ass answer it's the truth. And so I realized that that last decade that I just spent, making these blocks for certain types of content online was an absolute futile effort.

27:47 Right? Man, I just let it saying. And then. No, hold on. Then on top of this, another study comes out that, is a really deep psychological study involving 50,000 people, let's say younger people. And the conclusion of that is that, the pornography has no harmful effect. I think it probably does. But let's say that this psychological study confirmed that it did not.

28:09 Okay. So not only did I spend all this time my life energy for ten years trying to block Joe, this, this, this content enough understanding that it was, in terrible flow. There's no way you could block it all. It would be a torrent that you would be fighting against the daily. Yes. And then I go, you know, what?

28:30 Was there a different approach? My objective is that I disagree with the study. There's massive studies. Don't disagree with that. Do believe that it's really harmful. And in reality, I would believe that it is. Yeah, I would think so too, especially for younger people. So so I hone in on younger people. Let's say that the study suggests that the younger the person, the more damage.

28:51 Right? Let's say, oh yeah. So I honed it in a younger people. And now I say, you know what? Why am I blacklisting? Why don't I just wait, list these dozen sites that these kids are allowed to use, right? Right. So you're just saying I see changing the way you're thinking. You flip it, you, you were the dark side of the yin yang.

29:14 You're the light side, right? So instead of filtering off one by one, every instance of something I think is bad, just just say here, we'll just just say yes. Just instead partition it down to a small set of things that are considered healthy, good, you know, positive for this. Yeah. But for these again for these young users you're switch you think about has an effect on your users.

29:36 Like recently Debian Linux distribution decided that they were going to have vote. Now it passed but it's affecting everybody who's using it. It's whether or not they're going to allow non-free firmware blobs for software and other non-free essential software like software. Codex. Gotcha. You know, and it passed by a two thirds majority. They that was one of the tenets they were founded on, you know, but now they're flipping completely over and saying, yeah, we'll allow non-free in the kernel as well.

30:15 What. Well, because like what a certain percentage of people have that video card that needs the proprietary codecs and stuff like that. And, you know, if people want to listen to MP3's and so they want to turn people off, they don't want to turn off users by not making that even possible. Right? Right. Yeah. Makes sense. So so to finish off my little metaphor here, which is, really not not as good as I wish it was, but it's okay.

30:39 It's kind of getting the point across is that, at the end of the day, I went about dramatically putting an incredible Herculean effort to something that, at the end of the day, made no difference whatsoever. You. Right. You're never going to be able to just say you didn't have impact, only because I lacked the skills to learn how to out of the absurd.

31:07 But you see what I'm saying? It's like that rabbit hole that you go down in software development trying to solve a problem, like you're trying to solve a problem, and then it dawns on you after, you know, just breaking your brain on this code that you just can't seem to get the work that wait a minute, I don't even need to do this to begin with.

31:25 I could do it this way. Right? You see that approach? I mean, I see where you're saying that for you that has somehow seeded out of the absurd. These take another approach to me. Out of the absurd means you go with the flow. You deal with whatever came at you. You just trying to, to bring down the river.

31:44 That's that's to me that. Yeah, that that's, that's down to the that's not how I see it. What what I'm thinking about where I'm going. What I'm going for here is, people, the society in general, with all types of these beliefs and ideas that they have about things is that stop trying to they're there.

32:05 There's no, there's no value, really, at the end of the day, to trying to offset these beliefs because they're just going to get displaced with the next ridiculous thing. Okay. But you're just talking. You're just saying life is futile and you're being a nihilist in a particular thing, specifically to people with outrageous beliefs. Specifically that. Right. So, you know, you tell the kid you shouldn't eat candy because it's bad.

32:34 It's going to hurt your teeth. It's not healthy for you, right? It shouldn't eat too much candy. A little piece here and there is. Okay. That's some facts here, right? So, you know, the kid says, you know, can I have this? And it's like a bag M&Ms. And you say, no, they can't. You can never feel them.

32:48 That's okay. That's candy. Like I said, candy is unique, and it's not healthy sleep, right? You should only need a limited amount in. You know for sure of measure amount sparingly in moderation. And it's fine, but it's definitely something you don't want to eat on the regular basis. And so then you turn around, the kid brings in Twizzlers and you're like, no, that's candy.

33:07 Candy. You know, you tell what's the ingredients, you know, it's like you train the kid on how to. Right? And then you go to the dentist and the kid's got cavities and you're like, well, you know, you're eating too much candy. I keep telling you, right? Like you're not brushing your teeth off or saying, oh, well, you know, I have these, nerds, these nerds, you know, that I'm eating and you're like, dude, that's candy.

33:29 It's the same. Look at the ingredients is obvious. And the chain. Yeah, all those are things. So he's happy now. And then he goes to the Snickers bars. Yeah. And so, inevitably, who's going? After they're. But it a lot but inevitably okay. Like you only have a limited range of control over the situation. And that's the way it is.

33:53 It's very much with everything. Right. And if and if that person is determined where there's a will, there's a way, if that person is determined that they're going to eat some derivative candy and all their teeth are going to run out of their head, and they're going to become diabetic and fat and all the other health consequence, because they didn't do that on purpose.

34:09 They just got to do the candy. Yeah. There you go. You know, that wasn't really that gory. They're not like, man, I want to have both my legs amputated. Right. You know. But so once the once you've once the information is presented, once it's out there, it's like you you did it. You went, you tried to whitelisting. Right, sir.

34:29 And if people then subverted it. So this is your application 182 and you've got a different set of users. Now.

34:39 So, you know, then then it begs the bigger question, you know, should you even bother needs to begin with like, you know, was that even your business? Answer but I'm not. That's a, that's a separate town from what I'm talking about. And so I literally got to the point where it's like, you know, results only everything else is just absurd.

35:02 Like for example, give a specific example. There was I was offering some tutoring to about 75 people. Okay. And I had a choice. I could go through this, make this nice little interface. It will take me probably two days. That's, you know, two 12 hour days of coding, probably to make this nice interface that I can distribute the URL people can go on and schedule time to come in and tutor.

35:28 Okay. Right. Like, you know, nice. They click on the time slot and it brings up a form. They can book the time and then look at it once they confirm their email, then it goes through and completes that booking. And then nobody else can take that space, put it in a queue. And the first come first come system right.

35:49 Or I can say, let me spend about 30 minutes on this and just put up a freaking, little Excel spreadsheet of the sign blocked, take a snapshot of it. Yeah. And say, hey, upload me any copy of this thing where the you want to schedule is. Yeah, they put on the put on there, put on the web page if you want to book and it is open time slots, just text me when you text me, I'll put you in on that slot and I'll play it.

36:14 Okay. Just edit it. Right. Just and then put my number up there for people to text. Yeah. And then 30 minutes time. And of those two days like, like you know, 24 hours. So this will be like three days of three full, you know, three days of, of work blocks. You're taking a cognitive and semantic shortcut, saying what I really need, well, I need it.

36:36 I need to know from people when they want to do something, okay, I can I still have synchronous communication. Fucking text. Right. Done. You know, done when it goes out. And the irony is that the time then spent, would have been spent on creating this product. Would have been time that I couldn't spend tutoring. Well, yeah, there's an opportunity.

37:01 Cost. Is everything right? Yes. If you have multiple skills and multiple things going on at once, it's. And that's what you had to say. Hey, can I make the workflow more manual to pay for myself Frontload myself so that I could have more time ultimately to do this short term but affect my job or what I'm doing in the long term?

37:25 Because you have this more manual process in place, it ain't going to move after a while. And so results. Only way of looking at the world. Stop looking at stop thinking, in its absurd terms. Right? Stop kowtowing to absurdities in life and saying, what's the fucking result? But that's what down in the absurd be calculating the absurdities.

37:46 Yeah, that's what it means. Yeah. What I'm saying is not waste time in getting wrapped up into the absurdities. You say something completely different than the phrase out of the absurd. No, you bout to evolve to it like. Like you down to a partner. You know what? You're. You engage with it. You say you're bound to it and say, oh, that's just the way it is.

38:06 And you, you know, that's I, that's what I think anyway, that that would be what that means. You. He's acknowledging it his he's merciful. Right. So what I'm saying is that I'm acknowledging the absurd. But I'm not going to let let it trap. What if you do it? That's it you're doing. Let it trap. You know, you barely walk away.

38:25 It's like saying good day, sir. Like idea. No. Generally when we say bout you, we mean we are. We we yield to that. We are subservient to that, right? Yeah. So in the episode when after he made that comment, he you just got a laugh out of it and then just more or less just disengaged from it because it was there was nothing there for you.

38:45 Right. There you go. Okay. So he said, this is absurd and it will continue to be absurd. So, to wrestle. Yeah, that's that's right. That was totally my take on it, based on the attitude of the way it was performed out in the show. Yeah, he acknowledges it and then he walks away from it. So yeah, he he walks away, he goes, you realize he has to, he can't he can't get engaged.

39:05 Right? It's not going to do anything. It's going to be he's going to be on a hamster wheel. And he could do he could actually accomplish some things instead of being on a headset. Exactly, exactly that, that now you're now you're now you're getting like the way I perceived it. Right. And so applying that to my life, you know what I mean?

39:24 Like, so taking myself seriously and, you know, worried about if your wife is cheating on you and or, you know, getting getting caught up in, like, the teacher at school is teaching critical race theory. You know, it's like getting caught up in the shit is like, it's it's useless. It's useless. Yeah, right. But you still have to resist the current.

39:51 Occasionally. You still hold off, like, get up there on occasion. You still have to oppose certain absurdities that you may not be able to, you know, actually fix. Right. So my approach in parenting with my children has become just whitelisting the behaviors that are that I want them to, to see, you know what I mean? Like, like show them the kind of person that I think they should be through example and stop trying to blacklist like.

40:17 So you came to one of the major Christian, tenets of Christianity there, which is live by example. And I thought it was spare the rod spoil as well. And, I mean, that's in there, but one of the major forward ideas that Jesus tries to put forward is, you know, he's like, look, the best way to convert someone to what you're doing is to show success with what you're doing.

40:41 Live a good life. Yeah. All people will live this good life. So that's what you're saying, right? You you live this good life. You live a life of value. You try to get some good to say. Said, I'm trying to wait. List what's important in life, not blacklist. Are you trying to show them what's good? I'm trying to show them that I'm not going to spend my precious time on nonsense.

41:05 Yeah, and you're not going to be at the PTA meeting, ranting about the, school uniform change, right? You know, I'm. I'm sick and tired of, like, stop jumping on the couch. Just jump on the fucking couch. I don't care, it's just a goddamn couch. And if the kid is like, you know, jumps on it enough to break it down or go buy another damn couch, you know, it's like, stop, stop, stop dealing with like that.

41:32 That's a child, you know, the youthful exuberance is going to make the second that that organism jump on the goddamn couch. I mean, to a degree. Yeah. So. But after fashion, they don't have to be a dick either. Yeah. Now, if they go get a sharp knife from, you know, get a chair and go up in the top cabinet and get a sharp knife and come out and start plunging it into the couch.

41:48 That might be a different story, but yeah, you know, but but ultimately you're saying you're giving up this battle to hopefully win the war. You're saying, right, these things just don't matter. Right? So I think it's about I think let's figure out what matters exactly. I think I think it's about whitelisting, not blacklisting, and whitelisting through result driven application.

42:12 If you're not, if something that you're doing is, is not resulting in in reaching, you know, the settings that you're trying to obtain, or some kind of secondary goal that's, you know, and it's going to come as a byproduct, assume somebody has got a clear aim, you know. Well, that's, that's right. And insisting that you have clear.

42:33 Right. And you have a clear aim and also, you know, and decide the thing you're going to dedicate yourself to. But, you know, you may have certain things at work time sinks or waste that you did do. But to dwell on those issues from seeing the opportunities that you have before you to learn from those lessons, you got to do, you know, through.

42:57 Yeah, if you try to thou shalt not the world, you're going to be there for a while and and yeah, it's so and negative or just harder to deal with in general and like trying to prove a negative. Right. What's awesome, like trying to disprove or prove a negative is way more to. Yeah. So it's like, you know, one by one trying to, disprove various religious ideas.

43:21 Right? But really, what do we good for? I would agree with that. Well, values that maybe some intellectual values, critical thinking that went in. There you go. Maybe, maybe you did it as. And if you framed it as a personal exercise, it was it not a wasted time at all. Right. Yeah. So let's say, for argument's sake that you are becoming extremely skilled at this, this, you know, kind of activity, and you go around and you kind of have a decent success rate at having people leave their religion, you know?

43:56 Sure. Like, so you're like deprogramming people and mass. Well, I was thinking more like one on one, but, in mass would be much more powerful. Yeah, I feel like. I feel like they're doing the same thing. We gotta do the same thing, right? Yeah. Do you think mass marketing, the mass media channels. So. So you can see you go through and, you know, find someone who's like from from cradle the Grave going to be integrated into this, right?

44:22 Well, based on their environmental circumstances, like they grew up in a place where everyone goes to church on Sunday. The whole family's there. Yeah. Everyone they know, everyone that's from their school, like, right, right, right. And so then at a young age, you go in there and you, talk logic to this person and you get them to kind of see this new way of looking at it.

44:40 Yeah. And it's highly potent to them. It's very effective. They start to really think about things for themselves. And all of a sudden it's kind of like, you know, the veil is lifted. And so you can see, I want to argue though. You want to be careful about when you do that and to the degree you do it because you just put this person at all is it's their environment.

44:59 You just got one goal of conversation. So, you know, you become that guy, right? Who then goes around and just creates massive disruption in somebody's life. Who are you there and what did you actually accomplish at the end of the day in delivering someone from an ideology? But it depends on how you frame it. Like it you could have.

45:23 You should make metrics of success that make anything successful. Here you go. So so you know, in fact, in the results in the actual aggregate, when you might, might have actually done is just created a tremendous amount of discomfort in this person's life. Yeah. I mean, the religion in pain. Well, anytime you've advocated change you've created just pleasure, pain, you know, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the effective in their lifetime won't be better like you if you did it to them when we were 15 and they had gone from their parents or 19, then you'd operated a situation where they're in direct opposition to the environment and, you know, they're probably going through some

46:03 serious pain, but later in life they're being, well, more well positioned to not have such a small mindset to, take a moment to think, to accept new ideas. Right. So that pain resulted in a life that was a little bit rich. I guess you'd sure hope so. If you're the one doing that wrong. Maybe. Maybe instead the right approach is is just out to the absurd.

46:30 You can create that absurdity, value to it, and move on to it and laugh and say, I can't, I can't change it. I think you have to pick which thing you try to struggle. Guess, you know you can only struggle against a couple effectively. So pick 1 or 2 and the rest of them, you kind of just have to let happen.

46:49 So what spurred this whole conversation, this whole idea begin with, where were those statistics I sent you on the drug overdoses and right. So like, people are doing fucking drugs, man. Like, well, yeah. Like like oh what? Absolutely. And so I don't do drugs. I don't do any kind of drugs as prescribed once. Yeah, but not nothing psychoactive.

47:14 Yeah. Right. Hypothyroidism going to take levothyroxine and something else for you know to treat that day. And for muscular skeletal pain. Tylenol and freaking naproxen like, you know, Advil and Tylenol. Right? Right. Brought to sodium, aspirins from time to time. You take your 81 milligram baby aspirin. So I think the I think the doctor says I should, but I don't remember to take that.

47:44 But, you know, headache, aspirin yields, I find. Yeah, yeah. All right. And, coffee, caffeine, caffeine I do. Oh, I do drink psychoactive right there. Yeah, this is psychoactive, but it's mildly psychoactive. And the research shows that the the low dose is beneficial, not right over time that you might actually be, increasing your longevity. Drinking coffee.

48:10 The the everything that I've read said that, like, you know, the standard cup of day is good for you. Yeah, like all types of positive health benefits. Yeah. Now, sans all that crazy ass sugar and flavorings, I don't put that in beta. I drink black or I'll drink it with espresso. How to do it? Yeah, yeah. Now, there's plenty of days where I drink too much, but, you know, in general, that's my that's my range of, you know, kind of drugs, if you will.

48:42 Yeah. And then for a psychoactive, I have the most mild, this one you can imagine. Right, right. Anyway, so, you know, I'm not going to overdose and die from that, and, I've, I've stopped drinking coffee on many occasions. So even though it's short term addicting, it's like a two week kill addiction thing right there. Like, you can you can break a caffeine addiction I think in like three weeks.

49:06 Nice. At first it is a little hellish. Yeah. It's caffeine headaches. Yeah, yeah. So, anyway, what what started the whole thing? I thought, An almost like a place of. Do you have less caffeine at first? Oh, yeah. I mean, at first of these little more of the fire truck, right? Yeah, yeah. So, here's the thinking here.

49:27 Is that, you know, I don't do it. I don't do drugs, I don't, I don't, you know, promote it. In fact, any time I've talked to it at length with someone, I've been an advocate strongly against it. Yeah. I mean, that's the better path for almost everyone. But if we're here. Yeah, if you're going to do that stuff, go ahead and do it.

49:50 But what there's a there's a question there. But anyway, I guess I'm looking at if you made a decision as an adult to do a two year kind of squats, but then it still has a huge effect on society of people. Excuse about people. So that's bad for most people. No, don't do it. Yeah. So like illegal psychoactive drugs are like the number one fuel for gangs.

50:13 You know, it's like the number, the number one. It's it's the number one source of revenue. And therefore, as activity for gangs, a drug market psychoactive specifically is number one for drug trafficking. So on coke, heroin, opioids, all that shit, you know, that's, you know, the. Yeah, the gangs gangs are dealing that shit. And yeah, if the gangs are doing that shit and that's what's that's why gangs exist.

50:40 Yeah. And then the gangs are into other things like human trafficking and fucking murder and, you know, all that fun shit. We do the stuff nobody else wants to cross the prostitution. Yeah. The drug, the drugs in the legal. So it's probably the engines of the shadow car, right? Yeah, yeah. Wink, wink. So, you know, with the death rate alone that I just showed you the other day started yesterday.

51:06 As a matter of fact. You know, just that alone shows that the human cost is absolutely untouchable. Like, it's in my mind. It's my mind. Okay, so now I can say I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to do something about this. I'm going to fight this, okay? I'm going to do something about it, and I'm going to try to save some or all of those lives.

51:27 So. Right. Because that's fucking important. And that's what you decide is important. And you've decided you want to put your time forward. So I take the time and focus of my life and I put it into saving, who knows how many. And some people would say that was a waste. Your time. It's just a perspective, right? We're you know, it's really hard to give a value judgment on any particular set of things.

51:52 But if you feel like based on certain metrics that are also important to you, just as important as a task, you know, you measure your own success. Really, right? Sure. There's external validation where Zuckerberg can say, I am pretty damn successful, or, you know, I must say, I'm rich during the world, but most of the time we are small fish don't get much external validation.

52:16 It's all intrinsic. Yeah. So you could debate like, you know, who's who's the good guy? You know, Elon Musk trying to trying to drive humanity rapidly to become a multi-planet species or this, this group down in South Carolina that has a 50 acre peanut farm that they use, they take that and they combine it with, fortified minerals and nutrients, and they make these disposable.

52:45 They make these squeeze packs of peanut butter that have like a five year shelf life that gets shipped to the third world, in places where people are literally facing starvation right in this and set of proteins and nutrients. Yeah. One one packet will, like, keep the child alive for a week. So you know, there's enough nutrients and keep the child going for like a week.

53:04 That's cool. And it's like for $0.20 or something to per packet. And they have their gold star rating, they have like 100% efficacy, like all the money that you donate to that goes straight to the product because they have a secondary way to fund their administrative overhead. So like your donation to that organization is 100% effective at saving human lives.

53:33 Literally, literally. Right. And, not only saving a life, but producing an opportunity for a quality of life where a person can develop without dysfunction into adulthood. Right? Because, you know, you deprive a child of nutrients during the development phase over enough time. Well, it affects their lives, the trajectory of your life, what they can do. Yeah, they're hovering at a 7060 IQ.

54:00 Then there's a right to their brain in development. Right. So by yeah. Right. And then that person becomes a liability to that to humanity. Yeah. But anyway so you know who's the who's the good guy here. Right. Somebody that's just rich. And I mean, you don't get rich in a vacuum. And you. So he made a lot of other people rich also.

54:24 But on top of that, a lot of other people poured a lot of effort into making him rich. So. Yeah. And the and the whole, you know, let's build a colony on Mars is just different anywhere. It it's, it's a front to privatize a set of technologies that are going to be critical to the future of the world in the metamaterial space and material science.

54:43 He's really trying to gain a foothold in technology and where it's going to be important in the future. And, yeah, we're going calling in Mars is red herring. Well, that's what I'm saying. He's developing all these metamaterials and technologies that are space oriented. But that's not that's a sexy marketing goal. There you go. That's it. Right. And so, you know, if you're going to put your money down on somebody who you want to put it on, the peanut guy from Georgia that's doing this in the third world, or you're the one who told me he would rather invest in sustainable practices.

55:18 And companies like that. You want to you want to invest, you know, ethical investing or something. Yeah, 100%. Let's go investing. Why would you you know, why would anybody, once they do a little bit of homework, want to do any of the same? You know, I mean I prefer investing in device stocks. Now know I'm going to continue to make money.

55:44 Well, you know, feed it and it grows, you know. Right. So the the vice companies like the tobacco industry. Yeah. You know, to increase their profits. And they walked away, left all the way to the bank, to market, to children and to, you know, said. Right. And then they got their legs cut off for a while. Then they moved into the vaping and marijuana space right round and around we go.

56:11 So invest in that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No. How about now? There's mirrors in my house. Right. And I know what it means to invest in that. It means that you're feeding into it. The more, the more money you put in something, the more you get of that thing. Yeah, yeah. And, And you're feeding the beast. I'd rather work my whole life and not retire than retire.

56:36 Because out of necessity, out of having to use those stocks to retire. Right, I get that. I'll go with you. Double production to society. Like I'm going to get double double positive. And my wife, when I'm not contributing to the two, terrible things. Yeah. And then two, I'm contributing to good things. You know, like tutoring kids.

56:59 Yeah. Right. Yeah. And, you know, you've subjectively decided that's a good thing, too. You really subjective? Yeah. You don't think that. You don't think that you can qualify that quantum. You're sitting. You're saying this whole host of things may be a waste of time from your perspective. So there's got to be a bunch of people who think what you're doing is a waste of time.

57:19 You're probably right tutoring someone on how to do something they don't know to do, like program a computer or think critically. Isn't it positive effect you created? No? Well, I would make a distinction here. It's like spending your time teaching people critical thinking skills how to do mathematics and how to program computers. Okay, is totally different than trying to talk somebody out of clean coal, right?

57:43 You're not trying to indoctrinate or deprogram someone. You're giving them a skill and there's a net positive effect there. And someone can have a Make America Great Again hat on and you'll learn to program Python, and I'm happy to teach them. But if they start talking to you about a stolen election, I'm saying I'm sorry. I'm not interested in that topic.

58:01 Right? Right. And that's exactly what I do now rather than engage. And if. Yeah, if they said, what? What do you mean? It's, it's, you know, our whole country's our state, but it's not germane just in discussion. We are tutoring in math or we are tutoring on it. And I'd say. You're statement or you believe the whole country's a state.

58:22 Okay. You've made your statement. I don't want to talk about that. Yeah, because I'm not in. How can you not be interested in the most important thing, man? And, well, we're focused on doing something else right now. That's why I'm the editor. Well, even outside of that. Right. So, like, you know, and or conversely, I see someone with the Make America Great on hat.

58:45 I'm not going to say, why do you wear the hat? No, you're not going to confront them and start and stir the pot. Yeah, yeah. So, the other day I was in a class and this just crazy. It was like 2 or 3 minutes into the class, right? And, this dude comes in and he's got, like, a chip on his shoulder type of look, right?

59:03 It's like a medium sized guy, for, like, 25 years old or something like that. There's older guy that been talked to in the class sitting and just sitting there like, got his notebook out and he's like, you know, class and started doing normal thing. This student doesn't class, all right. But you know, it's in the notebook. And I think I think he said he's like, 30, 35 or 38, one of those two years old.

59:25 This guy, I was talking to the class and, a guy comes in and says, you're in my seat. No. Yeah. It's not like it was assigned seating right? Where people do tend to gravitate towards a certain seating, right? Right. Sure. Maybe people do sit in the same seat every time, because it depends on the class that a lot of time.

59:45 Sure. So where people are creatures of habit, it's all do the same thing. And, you know, you might be sitting somewhere because that's where you hear and see better. You might be sitting somewhere because they're people, like all sorts of stupid reasons or whatever. And, or you might sit in a different place because you can't hear so well.

59:58 And so you're moving to a place where you can hear, right, right, right. Now here, have poor hearing. It's just you. For some reason, sometimes the acoustics of the room, too, just doesn't work for you. So there you go. That's about saying they can't. They can hear or see better the right move. So anyway, he says, you're in my seat.

1:00:14 Yeah. So and after like some non indistinct words were exchanged. Right. You bu. No I didn't go. Oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no wait a minute I'll just get something straight. If I'm sitting in a seat and glasses are not my shit out. Oh class has already started. No. Irregardless, if I go to sit in a class where there's no assigned seating and somebody comes up to me and says, you're in my seat, like.

1:00:40 Like telling me to get out. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. No is going to have it. Okay, whatever. Oh, if it were me, that's what I thought you were describing it for me. And somebody came up and was was very polite and said, excuse me. I usually sit here. That's what I thought you're describing with your personal metaphor.

1:00:59 You. No, no, no no, no, this is something that really happened. I'm just telling you a story. Right. So this guy, this guy that I've now met, his name is Dimitri. And, cool dude. Like, he's super nice guy, right? It's like, quality person and. No, no problem. This guy, other dude comes in with a chip on his shoulder, basically tries to bullying, does bullying.

1:01:21 And I was like, that's my seat, you know? Well, walked and, the guy gets up out of his seat and moves and it, like, upset me, you know? Yeah. Is that the way the exchange is? Nothing. I get the first dude came in and said, hey, you know, I usually stay here because my girlfriend does. Then I get to see whatever or that's out exactly how people should behave themselves, right.

1:01:42 You know, or say, I sit here because I need an imaginary one, you know, with a semi legit reason. No, no, this is just due to the fucking attitude. I just been a cock sucker. Yes. And so for me, as soon as that kind of attitude is presented, you get the attitude right back. And I'm sorry, it's a character flaw of mine.

1:01:59 That's where I am right now, basically. I mean, I'm going to multiply it and shove it back. Yeah. You and I are similar to some extent with that, right? Like so my response to him would have been fuck off. So yeah, you know, you know, like there's no assigned sitting in this room. I was in your first fuck off the seats over there.

1:02:18 If he's being a rude dick right. Yeah. If he's if he's carried it there, it's undeniably there. Yeah. But yeah, there's a whole swath of situations where you're going to be the polite person to say, okay. Or it might be a really ridiculous, smart ass motherfucker and like, stand up out of the seat and walk all over the seat and, like, interesting.

1:02:35 I don't see your name anywhere. Yeah, or some stupid shit like that, you know, like, like a high school crap. And just because the guy came off at the fucking cunt. No, but came in and sitting on that approach might be more or less successful, depending on the social worker here, because that's where right now you're in the social domain.

1:02:53 Now you've broadcast this insult. Everybody's reacting on the other side, right, right, right, right. So it's like, be careful how you do that. And if you do it right, you win the Social War, which goes a long, long way toward winning everything, especially the older you get. Right? Well, and I'm like, smart too. I'd probably say something, you know, first of all, I say fuck off, then I say some smart ass, right then if he is pissed off and like wanted to fight or something, I'd be like, well, you know, if you want to fight, I won't even defend myself.

1:03:24 I'll let you hurt me so I can see you personally get you kicked out of school. And then the crew pay for it and pay for the rest of my life. What? More or less good? Or do you like. Oh, my God, that nerd, that retard, that asshole. No. And then when he swings, dodge it and then beat the shit out of.

1:03:37 I mean, that's like, that's what you want to do. That's what you want to project to win the social game right there. It's so simplistic thing. It is the most primal thing you're saying. All right, I've insulted you mentally. I've insulted you. Now I'm going to beat the complete shit out of you. Yeah, but I won't even announce that part.

1:03:56 I would just do that and be, you know, tried some stupid. Right? Right. But I'm thinking that's a quick attack. I think for you to win most people over. Right? Yeah. So I had said to him when he got up and moved and I was like, wow, you know, like, damn, you know, that was that was freaking. That was huge of you.

1:04:16 Like, hey, I'm freaking impressed, man. You know? And he's like, what? What? It's like you just kind of simply get out of his seat. And he did. Like that was huge reaction to that. It's like, how nice of you. He's like, what was I supposed to do? Oh, like, what was it really like? Yeah, I guess you're not supposed to do anything.

1:04:34 I'm just saying, like, if Romeo wouldn't have been able to do what you did. Yeah. The choice you made to go ahead and bow to whatever bullshit he was spewing rather than engage with it. Yeah. And so, you know, there's the kind of thing. So in that situation and I was talking to him after class about it and I said, in that situation, I have not learned in my own personal life, like, like I haven't learned myself to just get out of the fucking seat and go move somewhere else and put that you go inside.

1:05:07 Yeah, but it's due three, right? So, like, why wouldn't I tolerate some small degree of disrespect? That's not going to mean anything is over the course of my life. Right. So I should have bowed to the absurd like this jackass thinks that he just. You're in. How do you say rather than impede and resist, I'll just let it flow over me.

1:05:33 Crazy man. And then that guy message you guys enter personal it. That got me thinking, like, what is wrong with me? You know, like, why? Like, why would I care about something like that? Oh, yeah. Sure, but they don't get involved with. That's a continual struggle, right? We're out. What's important enough to sacrifice yourself to what? What you're good at, what you can safely ignore, what is what is like the absolute human ideal in some situation like that?

1:06:05 Like so, you know, you have this focused, purpose driven, life focused, purpose driven life. You know, the thing where we go, what are we doing? Yeah. Like you have a focused, purpose driven life and somebody bones up to you about it. Fucking see right in a class. So then because of your focus purpose in life, you should say, this is not my focus and all my purpose about.

1:06:36 Why? But but then in the process of bailing out, is there. Yeah, there's depending on your perspective, you're losing. Yeah. But is there a way to to like, creatively turn that into a massive win? Yes. The way we just talked about, you got to win the social game. If you want the social game it's massive win for everybody.

1:06:56 It's a balance. The people in the class agree with your show. You want. Okay okay. But then you still have like in the back of your mind, this guy, this guy just like named you out of your seat. Right. Well I mean, so you have that if you, if you just did the thing you talked about, turn it into a win, you didn't lose, right?

1:07:19 Oh, like maybe talk him out of it or just refuse or be snarky enough that he walks away. I didn't think about that. Like like, find some way to completely approach it. Find some, like, really clever choice of words that makes him give up trying to get you out of the seat. He, right, and then makes him apologize or something in the process.

1:07:46 Like Jedi mind trick. Sure. I'm sorry. I'm having that whatever scenario you want to say that is positive that you didn't make, I would think winning would. Tone. Was you not moving? Okay, so you didn't move and you made him feel like the better. He was the bad guy. Yeah. So was he, like, I mean, that's the ultimate win without having to beat his ass.

1:08:05 You affected him. You've gotten everybody. You got some mindshare of everyone in the room, right? Right. I mean, you want on every level there's a chance he might not do the thing he just did again. Next time. Well, especially for something someone else. Especially if you did that too. Yeah. I mean, I think the ultimate would be insult the shit out of him.

1:08:25 Then he tries to fight you and you beat the crap out of him too. Yeah, like I don't think I'd be doing that. I mean, that's what I'm saying. That would win anywhere from fourth grade to like, you know, to like elderly in the nursing home. Right? Right. That's going to that's a winning tack. If your entire life.

1:08:41 But as soon as people can scrap it, if you win all the scraps, there you go. Okay, so I guess we're we're agreeing that the ultimate win is saying fuck off. And then if he wants to push the issue, you end up kicking an ass. Yeah, that's the ultimate win, right? But but maybe there's this, like, really sweet, elegant, perfect.

1:09:05 And there might be with a person with the right mindset to be able to find this eloquent, elegant way that chase simplicity and elegance enough that they just immediately see this way, saying thanks to. Yeah, you just come up with this, like, caviar and champagne approach to that situation, and it just annihilates. Yeah, your small minded boy in that light, your sandwich room that lights this chicken sandwich, that the caviar.

1:09:34 And you don't want a chicken sandwich. Now, I'm speaking, but you don't want to get hit. Okay? Pain. I want you to get out. You know what I had that I thought was interesting? That's great. Caviar and potato chips. Sweet Christ, that was delicious. Wow. What, like a $4? I can change guard and get some chips. Oh, Jesus Christ, that's like the kid from the local private school getting caught in the trailer park.

1:10:05 Nah, it was awesome. Dude, it was so good. I heard about it on mine. On vice. Yeah. Vice. Munchies. And I was like, no way. So is it this, restaurant culture shop up the road? And, eating and, you know, they this was during the beginnings of the war in Ukraine. So, yeah, I bought some kind of, like, soup that was a traditional soup in Ukraine that they made, you know, it was like it was.

1:10:42 That was the. That's how I came across the caviar and chips. Nice, nice, nice. It was good. It's it's like the private school where it's like, you know, you wear a particular blazer with an emblem on it, say private school. Your parents are showing that 160 K a year for it. And there's like, culture and etiquette training. Oh, God.

1:11:01 You know, all these specialty skills that you're learning in this, in this little, this little private school, like they know and they do a they do a roll call like my surprise at, let's say 1:00 in the morning. Sure. Everyone's get everyone to stand outside their, room while they do a head count. How many times did this happen?

1:11:24 And you're missing. How many times did this happen to you? How many times? You know me so well? And, this this is the fake part. Then they find you, like, down, you know, in some trailer park with some two bits. Lucy. Oh, yeah, I know, yeah, I'm just on the snap. The the trailer park part zero.

1:11:51 But being caught out with some girl with some other kind of floozy. Nine trailer park floozy. You know, like, like being out with a girl. That's classy. Oh, y'all, you didn't do the flute. All right, all right. But being out, right, like getting caught out. And, you know, completely unacceptable for the standards of the. Yeah, the rules just festival by.

1:12:16 So like, that's in my little analogy that I was like the chips and caviar that were here, I was like, two worlds collide. Yeah. Yes. You're trolling for the rich. Okay, well, rich kid, that's like, you know, that nothing would be more horrifying to the parents. And, knock up some trailer park, you know, girl, that's like, you know, has two baby daddy.

1:12:43 They're rebellious. That's two babies daddies. And, like, you know, it's really crazy what happens when we're going to say he at least gets a nice one that hasn't been used up yet. Jesus. Oh, we got to make. We can't give them a chick. It's got, like, three C-section scars, and that's. That's what I'm talking about. You can't have, like, some diamond in the rough.

1:13:00 You have to have, like, a turd in there. Up there. No, that's way worse. That's beyond the turd. That's like, usually no situations. They just give them a minor fuckup. The person is mildly disadvantage. I don't give them, like, scorched earth, Armageddon style. Yeah, I'm talking like two kids with two baby daddies and, three C-section scars from birth.

1:13:25 Yes, yes, somehow I like that. And, you know, definitely some type of terrible drug problem. There we go. So she's a fucking meth addict living in a trailer park. Has three kids. White kids? Yeah, like real. Still the TV, you know, you know Billy LG right there. Invite that person to anything elsewhere and something is on your side first.

1:13:49 But anyway, yeah, I just thought that'd be funny. Like middle metaphor to your chips and caviar, but. So I think the finally, I think the elegant solution to deal with this kind of person. Okay, the absolute top elegant solution would be to, not only not give up the seat and not only defuze the whole situation and make him feel bad, but he then go on and befriend this person and circle back, restore upon them the largesse of your presence, and nudge and figure out why it's important to them to feel like they need to feel as if they need to kick somebody out of the seat and they stop doing their that's that's

1:14:31 the that's the top human elegant solution to the oh, of course it is. It's but hopefully you don't do too much damage. If that second thing is your intention, I hope you would come in, do the minimal amount of damage to have your effect. Yeah. And then go back and actually genuinely get to know the person and become the friend.

1:14:48 Now I guess would be the, the Holy Grail. Like the Cadillac plan here would be to man up to him, tell him fuck off, beat his ass. Oh.

1:15:00 He's about to get in big trouble. You're not. You're just defending yourself. So you're not getting in any trouble, right? You look at his ass after he hit you one time, you worked his ass. It was all self-defense. You're no trouble whatsoever. Yeah, and then you go ahead and you drop all the charges to the person. And so these he faces.

1:15:16 No, no, no penalty from, you know, to make matters worse, then you befriend him and and even help pay his tuition. I mean, if you're trying to kill a motherfucker with kindness, you may have just done it. And, you know, he would never, ever, ever, ever try to take some money, receive it, you know, here. So just to finish the discussion after class, I was telling this guy Demetri, I was like, you know, dude, you're who I want to be in those situations.

1:15:43 Like, I want to be like myself that way because I can. Yeah. And so the revelation of the whole thing, not that this was even about me, but in the context of having the conversation after the fact, the revelation is I have some fucking problems. I mean, I, you know, you have some behaviors you want to change, right?

1:16:02 Yeah. No, I'm over the whole thing. Like someone cuts me off, I'm trapped. Yeah, I'm over that. Whatever. I'm like, oh, which is its own separate of hell. Yeah. Like kind of over that, but like that direct during my confrontation. I'm sorry, I, I'm not past that. Yeah, well, in this thing, do you ever need to be. Maybe you can soften it.

1:16:20 Would you not have to kill it? Maybe you can still have that hard core where you let people push you to a point, you know, like, hey, if somebody came up with, you know, I usually sit there. No, that's 100% right now, though, I'm out of that seat in a second. Yeah, like, oh, dude, no problem. I'm happy to move.

1:16:37 Well, then you might be at a healthy level. Yes. Oh, yeah. Extreme thing. If this guy was a dick to you, then you'd be a dick back. That's all you're trying to. That's all you're saying? I don't feel like you're doing anything beyond the pale. Yeah, you're not talking about ripping his fucking larynx out. Yeah, like arising in your personal space.

1:16:52 Yeah, but you're not hollering over you saying you're in my seat. I, you know. Yeah, but you're not proposing ripping apart and killing him. You're just saying I will refuse. Yeah, and I'll make it feel good. No man is that bad. Yeah. I was like, just out of the blue. If it were having me, I'd know for a fact my net reaction was like, that's not going to happen.

1:17:13 Yeah, sure. Now with that and what's what's wrong with that? You're not rewarding that attitude that you just respect. I think that's probably my exact phrase would be like, you come to me with that kind of attitude. Now that's not happen. Yeah. Did you come that. So I'm gonna stay in the city so I might accommodate. Sorry. I'm staying right here.

1:17:31 And I'm sitting to that. I think everybody should be allowed to make this kind of lines in the sand. Now it's going to vary from person to person. My level of reaction. Your level of reaction. Sam's depends. You know. Right. Yeah. No. The figured the whole conversation. If I was 50% as sophisticated as I wish I was or thought I was, would be making some progress.

1:17:49 But anyway, that's all. So you're saying that's a friend? Really? It. You just feel like you need to be more sophisticated in high brow. Need to find the way, find the way, find the path. You can do it. You got an example at school?

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