0:00 To do a particular environment and lifestyle they must adapt to and, you know, same, same sort of thing. I see so like humans in general, just we adapt to our circumstances regardless. So he even back when, you know, people had lived with parasites and, you know, like bugs on them, they, they find a way to overcome on the pilgrimage road using the stick that other people had used, you know, but they find a way to, to find a piece of obsidian and sharpen it, to cut all their hair off their head and then, like, cover themselves in a certain type of mud that that removes the parasites and freshly.

0:37 Sean, I've got to get rid of all the lice, and then I've got, you know, to. Cover myself in blood to help with some of the skin stuff. I don't know, whatever it is. Right. Yeah. Like just finding a way to make things not suck. Figuring out, figuring out for one how to repair and heal themselves. That was like, you know, whether or not they knew it.

1:02 That's priority number one. Yeah, yeah.

1:07 And then, you know, there was a point where, like, I sent you the statistics the other day about all the people that are dying from drugs every month, you know, like just one type of drug. And, you know, it's like you put them all together and you're like, oh my gosh, what's the what's the monthly or or or quarterly or annual death toll.

1:24 Right. Just in the United States from overdoses and, collateral fallout effects of drugs. It's got to be astronomical. You know, it's that's just nuts, right? And so I remember this, it stuck out. I saw this video one time this year. Nurse. And she's talking about, the things that she would never, if she had, if she could control it, the things that she would encourage no one to ever do.

1:48 Wow. And like, she listed a range of drugs that she sees people dying from. And then she said, ride a motorcycle. Oh, yeah. Never let someone do that. Right. And then she said, mess with a firearm at any level. Like any capacity. Like get rid of guns. So was like guns, drugs and motorcycles or. I mean, they're tripping her out, you know?

2:10 Right. I mean, especially if she's, like, in the yard nurse, I'd imagine. You know, it's interesting that those are like the categories of, like, things that take out young people. Well, yeah, I mean, it's a category of things that takes a whole lot of people go shot wounds. Right. And then we go into some of the other things like riding a motorcycle that takes out dumbasses of all ages as well.

2:35 Yeah. Well you know, so there's been a been a clever person on a motorcycle before. But yeah in general you know you kind of have to be able to put two and two together. Yeah, yeah. You go. Yeah. I'm not against 100, 100 miles an hour on the interstate on a motorcycle, weaving in and out of cars. Right.

2:55 You kind of have to maybe understand that you're on borrowed time. One little mistake. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. You're toast. Yeah. You don't get another quarter in this game? Yeah. You know? You know why take that kind of risk? That is one interesting aspect of youthful exuberance that that a kind of. Well, yeah. Invincibility and vulnerability. You're willing to try or do anything because you think you're definitely going to come out the other side.

3:24 It's weird how that's a thing. Maybe I wonder if it's universal or if it's cultural. Oh, I think it's universal. I mean, I've seen it. I've seen like, other animals just be like, fuck it, let's do it. Taking major risks unnecessarily because there you go. Yeah, that is still exuberance. Just a ride, a whole logic. Well, hey, maybe other animals are similar in that they don't develop a good decision making skills until later.

3:52 Yeah. And then, you know, look at people. So like, we were, you know, criticize all this risk taking of the youth and then but the youth haven't fully developed their forebrain this way. Right. Yeah. And then and then, you know, the, the adults and you look at the state of the world, you're like, look, look what they've created, you know?

4:13 So I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Right. So it's it's it's, painfully obvious to me that a majority of all my bad decisions that I've ever made almost invariably come from a, a knowledge gap. Cognitive blind spots type things. So, like, you don't know what you don't know to to use a popular phrase, I guess. Yeah.

4:38 And then if you take, life as a, as a preponderance of these cognitive blind spots for majority of people in every aspect of every decision making an institution, right. You never have enough data. Yeah. Now, now, like, the whole fuckery of humanity is qualified and kind of excusable. They're like, we're just doing the best we can with what we got.

4:59 Yeah. And yeah. And the what we have is so overly estimated, like people have, you know, it's people, human nature. It's just notorious for overestimating ourselves to bring us something stupid. You know, there's a theory that, it say, any aliens or sky daddies that must have that may exist? There's a certain idea of benevolence, like, hey, we're seated from their genetic material, and they're trying to take care of.

5:34 Right. Oh, so never will be okay because they're seeded from divine aliens, right? Yeah. We can make up anything we want. And that's what I'm saying. That's what it is. It's. Look, we've got guardian angles. You guys can fuck it up, okay? We know you're gonna fuck it up.

5:50 Yeah. So, like, the first. The first person that ever, you know, had had some type of, sufficient, like, nighttime lighting, right? Like, not just torch and candlelight, but, like, mechanical, modern, bright light. Right. Right. Like, 2000 lumens are better up in your eyeball. Yeah. That, that inevitably obscured the, glimpse into the Milky Way, you know, through light pollution.

6:16 Because, you know, I'm looking up in the sky right now, and there's a big, bright, almost like it's just missing the Batman symbol. Spotlight above. Charlotte, North Carolina. You know, it's like there's a there's a, literally like a glow around glow above the city. This is nimbus of light. It just permeates everything. And it's just always here.

6:35 It never quite gets dark. Yeah. And the the symbol for Charlotte would have to be some silhouette of bad art, you know, like the whole city is littered with like, that. Okay. Come on, it's cool. Or it's, there's very expressive of well done murals all over the place. Yeah. But I'm, I'm talking about in preponderance, not just one example, one artifact I'm talking about, like the art on display in Charlotte in general is, in my opinion, freaking terrible.

7:03 I mean, you know, I don't like the, the Phoenix sculpture, either. So fucking 1970s. You know, disco dancer met a bird and they produced. Yeah. So if there was a beacon for Charlotte that was being projected in the sky, like the Batman symbol, it'd be a silhouette of some lousy piece of artwork. Yeah, that would be that.

7:24 That would be the icon. The healing icon, for sure. It's with a we picked the Phoenix one with the with a with a Queen's crown on it too. Like some jauntily. Yeah. Queens crown, some shitty artwork, but it's crowns. So there you go. That's that's Charlotte's beacon. And maybe in the in the left or right corner QC. All right.

7:47 Yeah yeah yeah. There you go. You see it. And then it somehow draws these drug induced people that are pseudo art artists from Noda. Whoa. Walking towards it like zombies to go create the next great thing. You know, I think. Come on now, this is probably our audience, so. No, no, no, no, our audience is older females.

8:10 For some reason, they're audience is probably hipsters. Come on. I think that's what you're striving right now. You're asking hipster hatred. Right. But but I think so far the data suggests our demographic is like older women. What is really is interesting to me, and I was talking to my grandmother, an older woman, about this said thing, and she's like, she goes, yeah, I don't really get that either.

8:37 She goes, she goes, now I will sit here and listen to you top for hours. But it's totally different. It is. And, it's it's really like a very strange phenomenon to try to explain how the number one demographic of our podcast is older ladies. Yeah. Anyway, let's change the subject, because I don't even want to want a guess as to how that came about.

9:03 Hey, man, I mean, I can make several guesses. And the older ladies, in their experience and knowledge, it probably led all of them already. But yeah, I don't need to say. Okay, we need to do a Q&A episode one time of like, all the questions that have rolled in from the website. Yes, yes. And try to try our best to answer them.

9:24 Yeah. And then, you know, instead of just inline text and stuff like, like we have now like, actually record verbose, answers to some really poignant questions that have been asked by some savvy older lady.

9:41 This is like a, you know, positively podcast bust. And it's like, you know, it's on the overhead, and the a system in nursing homes around the country. Well, it's like, okay, we make fun of everything. So we're also making fun of the fact that someone would listen to us. We're kind of lampooning and being self-deprecating here and saying, you know, the fuck would listen to this pedestrian recurring theme, that self-deprecation?

10:05 Welcome, everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, that's what we fall back to. That's home base, guys. One of my one of my favorite quotes from Star Trek Next Generation is this episode fucking whites. Yeah, it's kind of, inordinately brightly lit. Yeah. Especially for about 6:00 in the morning. Right? Yeah, that's part of the art beacon. Silhouette over.

10:26 Charlotte. Feel like it's light pollution, like you were talking about? Yeah. So, you know, there's this episode where they take on this. There's a couple series of dying planets, and we're trying to evacuate the colonists, and the colonists aren't that populous, so the ship can handle it. That's not like a whole planet bustling with billions. It's like, you know, 7000 or something.

10:45 Oh, shit. They can accommodate it. So they have to put these, people in the cargo hold temporarily. Well, this particular group of people is like a slave ship. I wouldn't go that far, but they're a they. They decided to intentionally take on a more primitive, form of of living like a certain they've adopted a certain amount of technology, and they kind of stops there.

11:09 I think there's a mason or, I don't know, some kind of, group here. Mennonites. Is that them or the ones that were the sect? They allowed the differing amounts of technology. Well, yeah, but they're they seem to be an offshoot of Amish. Yeah. I was just going to say Amish, too. Like, I think have kind of ideas about limiting technology.

11:34 Yeah. Well, so, you know, that that was the premise. Is this colony based on it? And, so, you know, they have like, cows and chickens and pigs and hay and spinning wheels and they probably have like, sensors that go out in their fields and, and, you know, a certain level of let's monitor it because we're on a foreign environment, sort of, but nothing more complicated than maybe a few handheld terminals or something like that.

12:02 I don't know. Sure. And so they, are now aboard the enterprise because their, their planet is Super Nova star or something. Some, some terrible threat on enough generations that they've been on their planet that they're, you know, got this insular, small mind. I'm not really there. They're like, very content with with what they have, what they are and who who they are.

12:28 And they still understand the contrast, I think so. Okay. And then, they, you know, trying to light fires for cooking and all, even with all this technological sophistication around them, of course, they're just being germane to their own lives. Yeah, yeah. That's true. So, it's like, okay, I just need to cook some shit. The point of all this is that, Picard in a really off character moment for the show, for his character in the show, starts laughing.

12:57 And, you know, while he's after some, you know, kind of interaction with these people. And, Riker asked him, you know what? What's so funny? You know, good idea. Right? And his quote is, sometimes you just have to bow to the absurd, Yeah. And, you know, is in reference of how this whole thing is playing out.

13:16 Right. He was he wasn't criticizing or mocking these people. He was. It was the situation. Yeah, the absurdity of it. And boy, have I ever have I ever internalized that. Sometimes you have to bow to be absurd. I have no idea why, but that resonated with me so much that I have completely internalized that philosophy, like in my life.

13:40 Yeah. And if you do, it lets you be more adaptable and you get to laugh at a lot more because you're looking at things from the view of irony. And that's like an X-ray. It just cuts through shit. Yeah, it's like it's like a not really an eye roll because with an eye roll, you're just like, rejecting and mocking something.

14:01 It's more in depth. It is. It is seeing it for what it is, but seeing it sarcastically and ironically, you know. Yeah. The, the the idea of bowing to the absurd. Well, yeah. Just giving in, letting it go. Yeah, yeah. Letting it go and stop trying to rationalize it and saying like, you know, like, what's the best way?

14:25 For me, it's like, I have a track record of, like, having to understand things, you know, like, like, come on, like, you know me, right? It's just a but it's it's a challenge. It keeps coming up. Hey, this new thing, this new thing, this new thing. This new thing. Yeah. And certain beliefs and certain concepts that people adopt and subscribe to, to me, have been almost paralyzing because like in trying to understand how the hell will some how can someone possibly think that, you know, like, for example, something to my mind that is, in my pseudo intellectual fashion, something that's, you know, not hard to understand and is clear,

15:09 like a clean coal technology. It's a good idea, right? Yeah. So anybody that knows what coal is, it knows what the word clean means.

15:21 And clean means, has to understand that the chemical process of transforming coal into energy and waste products, waste products that end up. Yeah. You can't just invent like you can't just change physics with an adjective. Yeah, well, you can't just throw a positive adjective for something and be like, well, of course it's that they called it that guy's.

15:46 Yeah. And and I know that like, that kind of marketing works, you know, it does. And but the idea that that that, you know, and you can get sound bites of really famous politicians, who are from the. Yeah. Like Obama, for example, on stage talking about clean coal. Yeah. Because they paid him like $7.5 million or something.

16:10 Yeah. Which feeds into clip talk, cryptocurrency and all that. We don't need to get into that conversation again. But, you know, at least not right now. Yeah. But the point is, is like, you know, in in the past, I would spend a lot of time trying to understand, like how, how how it comes to be that large groups of people can, can believe that there's like such a thing as clean coal, like.

16:32 Right. But I think, how is that to okay, the Clintons, they were on the speech circuit and making millions a year, you know, and, they were willing to sell their power, cash and influence from like. Yeah. And, you know, that's probably an easy payday, you know, just just utter some nonsense that has a limited audience anyway.

16:57 Right. But something that needs to be quickly and heavily marketed. Right? That's that's your solution. Yeah. That's that's a, that's a probably for a lot of companies, a really potent bang for your buck type of thing. Like you said, to change kind of frame concepts quickly in people's minds, which is, I guess, you know, part of the game.

17:18 But the idea that that, you know, that's just one example I can go on forever about examples, but but that, that kind of idea of like, just bowing to the absurd has liberated me to some extent. Yeah. Because you can just laugh. You can just say, oh, my God, that's ridiculous. But it still leaves you to room to analyze.

17:39 Correct. Except deny you get you get to stand back from things a little bit. There's a certain. Yeah. And my, my previous like energy would be, you know, how could I reverse that. Like, so could I start up a website that, you know, helps set the truth or could I, you know, do do, do you have it?

18:02 You want to. Yeah. How can I work against it? Because it's so terrible, right? Because it's it's falsely shaping people's beliefs and it's harmful, you know, and on and on. But then maybe there's a better way. Maybe there's just this way of just saying, look, look, there's infomercials. There's got to be a better way. Yeah. And that better wages might be to just just literally just give in to it and say like, okay, it I can't fight it.

18:28 It's impossible. Because if let's say that I did, let's say that I tamped that down and somehow managed to get an audience. And that became a like my my single life objective was to go with the flow to the extreme. Yeah, we'll stop people from believing in clean coal. That became my focus seeking. You're still talking about the the flexibility.

18:48 Yeah. So what I'm saying is that reclining of the divine account kind of. But but that's kind of like the, the after that. That's the conclusion. But I'm saying like in the lead up to it, if you if you put it in this like grand scorecard, you know, you can take your entire life and ambition and, and, and move against one particular piece of nonsense.

19:10 Yeah. One piece of absurdity. Right. And, you know, whatever you prove, one piece of absurdity. A lot of other states don't along with it. Yes. In context. Yes. And so so you combat an entire group of things at once, you in its entirety, you'd become a complete waste of your life because in all the time it's perspective that's just complete opinion.

19:34 Like if that person engaged to that, all of their lives didn't feel like it's a waste they dedicated himself to because they wanted. Okay. And I understand you want to in this choice and freedom and all that kind of fun stuff. But if you're if you're like ambition, okay, is to eradicate an absurdity from this world. And I think you're dumb ass personally, but.

19:55 Well, the reason I think at the end of the day, you're a dumbass is because in the time that you're sitting there combating it, a thousand of the things have emerged of equal weight that requires that attention to. And there's just not enough. Right? Right, right. How could you be so mean to build your life around? One particular issue is that we were saying yes.

20:13 And so maybe what's the best thing to do is bow to the absurd and just say, look, people are going to believe certain things. Yeah. And we're just about anything. Oh, definitely. Just about anything. Like. Yes. And so instead of trying to like, I guess there's like maybe two main schools of thought, you know, like, if, if somebody don't oppose the flow of the river, you're standing in role.

20:37 Yeah. So if you're if you're faced with what you perceive as misinformation or ignorance amongst a large group of people, there's like maybe two competing ideologies. One would be to teach them to like, focus on teaching them to prevent that right, or to to improve that situation. I think that's the most effective. You get the most change. Yeah.

20:58 I think another competing interests would be to say fuck it and take advantage of them. Well, I think that's what's already happening. So like saying, okay, well if people are just organic members of what is that no difference in this current reality in which we are.

21:16 Well, I, I just the way I'm the way that I'm personally wired, I can't help but be in the teaching mode, not the. Yeah. And in the same way, I'd much rather gain wisdom, true understanding, as well as impart it then to be in the let me use people for my own gains. Yeah. And in the Yes.

21:37 And in the, in the realm of like the unmeasurable, the question becomes like, what's the net effect of that attitude? If you're wanting to choose between the two attitudes? Well, if you want to choose between, this kind of false paradigm that I set up, this false duality of, like, take advantage of them or teach them. Right. What do you actually let's turn around.

22:00 What what what do you actually, for yourself and with it the of the day. Maybe it's no net effect with option A which is teach that maybe in reality there's no net effect and then be you just didn't do what you need to do in life to, to get anything. Like you just sacrifice your whole life to what end.

22:21 That's something that's that's not clear and not measurable. That's the thing each person stone they might help to define it, the thrust of their life in a way that someone else and he sends it. But we all kind of choose the thrust of our life. The way we spend hours is the way we spend our days. So we all choose how the allocator time.

22:42 So let's say one is successful in stamping out the idea of clean coal and and figures that out. And sure. Right. Like society people would say that was a waste of your time. Other people would say that they would be much lauded and, you know, heralded and said, you got you did great. There's a point in the future where coal isn't even a fuel anymore.

23:03 And right, like, sure, whether we burn it all up or on alternative, the sound, you know, which is obviously where technology is moving, but. Right. So there's a point in the future where it's absolutely irrelevant. And so the person that dedicated their life to stamping out a falsity about a particular thing, do you see what I'm saying?

23:23 It might actually be better to just bow to the absurd and say, okay, if people are going to believe that that like, there's clean coal and like, sort of purpose. Do you wish to have to just drift along the river of life to just be, be an observer, a chronicler, a gesture at time. Well, thank you for asking, because that's exactly you.

23:44 You fell into my trap. And so. No. So what I'm thinking is like, you know, how, if you were going to try to create a firewall for children, let's say using a technology like a router, right? Right. Like a router with with a blacklist and a white list. Yeah. For different websites. Okay. Makes sense. And you decided to start going about this task of getting, pornography, having less pornography come through to children.

24:18 Okay. Sounds like a good. So you sit there and you monitor the traffic and you see this one, website come through, and you're not you don't know what it is and say, look up the website. And sure enough, it's pornography. Right? So you go to the little blacklist on the to little blacklist on the router, and you add the website.

24:37 And now those kids aren't seeing that. What's that anymore. Right. And then time goes by and another website pops up with pornography. And so you put that one on the blacklist. Right. And here you go. You're sorting the pornography by well you're giving you're giving people a product potentially they can use to sell it or give it away that they can use to make that change for their lives.

25:03 Right? I mean, that's that's having, you know, the multiplier effect. So what I'm saying is I'm spending my life time in my life to try to do what I perceive as something good, which is systematically block pornography. Yeah. Through this router, you're saying this this thing you've made, you want to stamp it out across the world, so you're distributing it somehow.

25:28 You're product or free? Sure. So that's happening too. But it's because I'm multiplying it. I'm trying to, you know, get it out there, open source it, whatever. Right. Sure. And here I go. Time day after day, day after day. Blacklisting site after site after site after site after site. Yeah. I mean, there used to be something called Dans Guardian that it existed for a long time.

25:47 It was like that. And so slowly but surely, I read in this small pool of whatever how many users I have, younger users. I'm slowly but surely, drawing down the the net volume of or really the parents of younger users, right. Yeah. Or whoever, you know, whoever parents and guardians of younger users. Really, I would imagine the younger users would rather not employ here fortifications.

26:14 Yes. And some of some of the younger users are finding ways to bypass my intervention. They're finding ways to tunnel fixing this. You're blocking some of those. You're mitigating some of those. You're making some of them more difficult. Right? Yes. And so I'm sitting here playing cat and mouse with hundreds of thousands or having millions of users. Let's say there's a couple of people who have made their lives thrust, network time, protocol.

26:39 Yeah, sure. You know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah, it's just. Yeah, they're they're all equally ridiculous ways to spend your time. They have, like you said, I'm almost quite a fact because there's a distribution aspect. And so I decide after a decade goes by, let's say I do a survey and I find out that an overwhelming majority of my people that are that are under this umbrella of this technology of creating see porn on a regular basis.

27:13 Yeah. And not only that, they whenever they want to, they can still access point out. Okay. Let's just say the Astor's children, you know. Do you ever see this stuff and right like yes yes, yes. And it's an honest answer to like it's you know. Yeah. So like generally try to be cool or further strange. Yeah. So snarky smartass answer it's the truth.

27:35 And so I realized that that last decade that I just spent, making these blocks for certain types of content online was an absolute futile effort. Man, I just saying. And then. No. Hold on. Then on top of this, another study comes out that, is a really deep psychological study involving 50,000 people, let's say younger people. And the conclusion of that is that, the pornography has no harmful effect.

28:04 I think it probably does. But let's say that this psychological study confirmed that it did not. Okay. So not only did I spend all this time my life energy for ten years trying to block, you know, this, this, this content understanding that it was a interminable flow. There's no way you could block it all. It would be a torrent that you would be fighting against the Taylor.

28:28 Yes. And then I go, you know what? What's a different approach? My objective is that I disagree with this study. This massive state has done this. I do believe that it's really harmful. And in reality, I would believe that it is. Yeah, I would think so too, especially for younger people. So. So I hone in on younger people.

28:47 Let's say that the study suggests that the younger the person, the more damage. Right? Let's say. Oh yeah. So I honed in on younger people. And now I say, you know what? Why am I blacklisting? Why don't I just waitlist these dozen sites that these kids are allowed to use? Right? Right. So you're you're just saying I see changing the way you're thinking.

29:09 You flip it, you, you you are the dark side of the you're the light side, right? So instead of filtering off one by one, every instance of something I think is bad. Just just say just just say yes. Just instead, partition it down to a small set of things that are considered healthy, good, you know, positive for the.

29:29 Yeah for the for these, for these young users. Your switch you think about has an effect on your users. Like recently Debian Linux distribution decided that they were going to have a vote. Now it passed. But it's affecting everybody who's using it. It's whether or not they are going to allow non-free firmware blobs for software and other non-free essential software like software codecs.

29:59 Gotcha. You know, and it passed by a two thirds majority. That was one of the tenets that were founded on, you know, but now they're flipping completely over and saying, yeah, well, we'll allow non-free in the kernel. And well, because like what a certain percentage of people have that video card that needs the proprietary codecs and stuff like that.

30:23 And, you know, people want to listen to them and so they want to turn people off. They don't want to turn off users by not making that even possible. Right? Right. Yeah. Makes sense. So so to finish off my little metaphor here, which is really not not as good as I wish it was, but it's okay. It's kind of getting the point across is that, at the end of the day, I went about dramatically putting an incredible Herculean effort to something that, at the end of the day, made no difference whatsoever.

30:56 Right. You're never going to be able to just say you didn't have impact, only because I lacked the skills to learn how to battle the insert. You see what I'm saying? It's like that rabbit hole that you go down software development to try to solve a problem, like you're trying to solve a problem. And then it dawns on you after, you know, just breaking your brain on these code that you just can't seem to get to work that.

31:23 Wait a minute, I don't even need to do this. Do it again with I can do it this way. Right. You see that an approach. I mean, I see where you're saying that for you that somehow seated about the absurdity to take another approach to me about the absurd means you go with the flow, you deal with whatever came at you.

31:39 You just trying to. Yeah. Tubing down the river. That's that's to me that. Yeah, that that's, down the. That's not how I see it. What I'm thinking about when I'm going, when I'm going for here is that, people in society in general, with all kinds of these beliefs and ideas that they have about things is that stop trying to there there's there's no, there's no value, really, at the end of the day, to trying to offset these beliefs because they're just going to get displaced with the next ridiculous thing.

32:19 Okay. But you're just talking. You're just saying life is futile and you're being a nihilist. You're in a particular thing specifically to people with outrageous police specifically that. Right? So, you know, you tell the kid you shouldn't eat candy because it's bad. It's going to hurt your teeth. It's not healthy for you, right? You shouldn't eat too much candy.

32:38 A little piece here and there is. Okay. You got some facts here, right? So, you know, the the the kid says, you know, can I have this? And it's like a bag of Eminem's and they're saying, no, they can't. You can have a feel of them. That's okay. That's candy. Like I said, candy. Candy. It's not healthy, right.

32:53 You should only need a little bit about in in you know from sure. Very much measure to mount sparingly in moderation and it's fine but it's definitely something you don't want to eat on the regular basis. Yeah. And so then you turn around, the kid brings the Twizzlers and you're like, no, that's candy and candy. You know, it's hell.

33:09 It's the ingredients. You know, it's like you train the kid on how to write, and then you go to the dentist and the kid's got cavities and you're like, well, you know, you're eating too much candy. I keep telling you, right? Like, and you're not bursting your game off and say, oh, well, you know, I have these, nerds, these nerds, you know, that I'm eating and you're like, dude, that's candy.

33:28 It's the same. Look at the ingredients. It's obvious in the candy aisle. Those are the things. So we stopped being there. And then they go the Snickers bars, you know? And so.

33:40 Last year. Sure. But it never. But inevitably. Okay, like, you only have a limited range of control over the situation. And that's the way it is pretty much with everything. Right. And if and if that person is determined where there's a will, there's a way, if that person is determined that they're going to eat some derivative of candy and all their teeth are going to ride out their head, and they're going to become diabetic and fat and all the other health costs.

34:08 They didn't do that on purpose. They just got through the candy. Yeah, there you go. You know, that wasn't they're not like, man, I would have both my legs amputated. Right. You know. But so once the once you've once the information is presented, once it's out there, it's like you you did it. You you tried to waitlist it, right?

34:28 Sure. And if people then submitted your application, 182 and you've got a different set of users now.

34:39 So you know, then then it begs the the bigger question here, should you even bother to begin with, you know, was that even your business answer. But that that's a, that's a separate time from what I'm talking about. And so I was literally got to the point where it's like, you know, results only everything else is just absurdity.

35:02 Like, for example, give you a specific example. There is I was offering some tutoring to about 75 people. Okay. And I had a choice. I could go through this, make this nice little interface worth taking me. Probably two days of, you know, 212 hour days of coding, probably to make this nice interface that I can distribute the URL.

35:26 People who go on a schedule, time to come in and tutor. Right. Like, you know, nice. They click on the time slot and it brings up a form. They can book the time and then book the at. And once they confirm their email, then it goes through and completes that booking. And then nobody else can take that space, put it in a queue.

35:44 And the first come first come system. Right. Or I could say let me spend about 30 minutes on this and just put up a freaking, little Excel spreadsheet of design blocks, take a snapshot of it. Yeah, and say, hey, upload me any copy of this thing and you want to schedule something. Yeah, they put on the put on their put on the web page.

36:08 If you want to book any of these open time slots, just text me. When you text me, I'll put you in on that slot and I'll put it. Okay. Just edit it. Right. Okay. Just and then put my number up there for people to text. Yeah. And then 30 minutes time instead of those two, two days like like you know, 24 hours.

36:26 So basically like three days of three full, you know, three days of, of work blocks taking a cognitive and semantic shortcut, saying what I really need, well, I need, I need to know for people when they want to do something. Okay. I can still have a synchronous communication fucking text. Great. Done. Boom. Done. Wink goes out. And the irony is that the time then spent, would have been spent on creating this product.

36:56 What would have been time that I couldn't spend tutoring? Well, yeah, there's an opportunity. Cost us everything, right? Yeah. If you have multiple skills and multiple things going on at once, it's it. And that's what you had to say. Hey, can I make the workflow more manual? The painting for myself front loaded myself so that I can have more time ultimately to do this thing of the short term but affect my job or what I'm doing in the long term, because you have this more manual process in place that a goal move after a while and so results only way of looking at the world.

37:33 Stop looking at, stop thinking in terms right. Stop cow tailing to absurdities in life and saying, what's the fucking result? But that's what it means to be calculating the absurdities. Yeah, that's what it means. Yeah, what I'm saying is not waste time in getting wrapped up into the absurdities. You saying something to different than the phrase father be absurd.

37:56 No, you bow to it. You bow to it like. Like you down to a partner, you know. Well, you're you engage with it and you say you bow to it and say, oh, that's just the way it is. And you, you know, that's I, that's what I think. Anyway, that that would be what that means. You he's acknowledging it.

38:14 He's he's merciful. Right. So what I'm saying is that I'm acknowledging the absurd, but I'm not going to let it let it trap me. But if you bow to it, that's what you're doing. You let it drop. You know, you're bound to walk away. It's like saying good day, sir. Like idea. Generally when we say about you, we mean we are we, we give it to that.

38:33 We are subservient to that, right? Yeah. So in the episode when after he made that comment, he, he just got a laugh out of it and then just more or less just disengaged from it because it was there was nothing there for. Right. There we go. Okay. So he said, this is absurd and it will continue to be absurd.

38:49 So that's the rest of it. Yeah. That's that's my that was totally my take on it. Based on the attitude of the way it was performed out in the show. He acknowledges it. And then he walks away from the group. So yeah, he he walks away because he realized he has to he can't he can't get engaged. Right.

39:06 It's not going to do anything. It's going to be he's going to be on a hamster wheel. And he could do he could actually accomplish some things instead of being on the hamster. Exactly. Exactly that. Now you're now you're now you're getting like the way I perceived it. Right. And so that to my life, you know what I mean?

39:24 Like, so taking myself seriously and, you know, worried about if your wife is cheating on you and or, you know, getting getting caught up in, like, the the teacher at school is teaching critical race theory. You know, it's like getting caught up in the shit is like, it's it's useless. It's useless. Yeah, right. But you still have to resist the current.

39:51 Occasionally. You still have, like, you gotta bear on occasion to still have to oppose certain absurdities that you may not be able to, you know, actually fix. Right. So my approach in parenting my children has become just weightlifting the behaviors that I, that I want them to to see, you know what I mean? Like, like show them the kind of person that I think they should be through example and stop trying to blacklist like.

40:17 So you came to one of the major Christian tenets of Christianity there, which is live by example. And my father was spared the right spoiled child. I mean, that's in there. But one of the major forward ideas that Jesus tries to put forward is, you know, he's like, look, the best way to convert someone to what you're doing is to show success with what you're doing.

40:41 Live a good life. Yeah. All the people will live this good life class, as you're saying, right? You, you you live this good life. You live a life of value and you try to get your kids to do this. And I'm trying to whitelist what's important in life, not blacklist you, trying to show them what's good. I'm trying to show them that I'm not going to spend my precious time on nonsense.

41:05 Yeah, you're not going to be at the meeting. Ranting about the, school uniform change. Okay? You know, I'm sick and tired of, like, stop jumping on the couch. Just jump on the couch. I don't care. It's just a goddamn couch. And and if the kid is, like, you know, jumps on it enough to break it down, we'll go buy another damn couch.

41:26 You know, it's like, stop, stop, stop dealing with like that. That's a child. You know, the youthful exuberance is going to make this like that, that organism jump on the goddamn couch. I mean, to agree. Yeah. After a fashion, they don't have to be a dick either. Yeah. Now, if they go get a sharp knife from, you know, get a chair and go up in the top cabinet and get a sharp knife and come out and start plunging it into the couch.

41:48 That might be a different story, but yeah, you know, but but also, you're saying you're giving up this battle to hopefully win the war. You're saying these things just don't matter, right? I think it's about I think let's figure out what matters. Exactly. I think I think it's about whitelisting, not blacklisting and whitelisting through result driven application. If you're not, if something you're doing is is not resulting in in reaching, you know, the settings that you're trying to obtain, or some kind of secondary goal that's, you know, that's going to come as a byproduct.

42:26 Assume somebody's got a clear aim, you know. Well, that's that's right. And insisting that you have a clear. Right. Yeah. She has a clear aim. And also, you know, and decide the thing you're going to dedicate yourself to. But, you know, you may have certain things that were time sinks or waste that you did do, but to dwell on those keep you from seeing the opportunities that you have before you to learn from those lessons you got to do, you know.

42:57 Yeah, if you tried to. Thou shalt not the world. You're going to be there for a while. And yeah, it's an negative or just harder to deal with the general and like trying to prove a negative. Right. Like trying to disprove or prove a negative is way abortive. Yeah. So it's like, you know, one by one trying to, disprove various religious ideas.

43:21 Right. But really, what that good law abiding. I would agree with that. Now that, maybe some intellectual values of critical thinking value, but there you go. Maybe, maybe you did it. And if you framed it as a personal exercise and it was that not a waste of time at all, right. Yeah. So let's say, for argument's sake that you are become extremely skilled at this, this, you know, kind of activity, and you go around and you kind of have a decent success rate at having people leave their religion, you know?

43:56 Sure. Like, so you're like deprogramming people in mass? Well, I'll say get more like one on one, but, in mass would be much more powerful. Yeah, I feel like I feel like they're doing the same thing. We gotta do the same thing, right? Yeah. You're using mass marketing and mass media channels, so. So you so you go through and you, you find someone who's like from, from cradle to grave that'll be integrated into this.

44:21 Right? So there's on their environmental circumstances. So like they grew up in a place where everyone goes to church on Sunday, the whole they. Yeah. Everyone they know or when that's from their school, it's like right, right. And so then at a young age you go in there and you, talk logic to this person and you get them to kind of see this new way of looking at it.

44:40 Yeah. And it's highly potent to them. It's very effective. They start to really think about things for themselves. And all of a sudden it's kind of like, you know, the the veil is lifted and they can see. I want to argue that you want to be careful about when you do that and to the degree you do it, because you just put this person at odds with their environment.

44:59 You just got where I'm going with the conversation. So, you know, you become that guy, right? Who then goes around and just creates a massive disruption in somebody's life. Yeah. And what did you actually accomplish at the end of the day? You liberated someone from an ideology, but it depends on how you frame it. Like, you could have you could make metrics and success that would make anything since.

45:27 There you go. So, so, you know, in in fact, in the results in the actual aggregate, what you might, might have actually done is just creating a tremendous amount of discomfort. And this person's life. Yeah. I mean, they're very good in pain. Well, anytime you've advocated change, you've created displeasure of pain, you know, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the effect of their lifetime won't be better like you if you did it to them when they were 15 and they still had their parents or 19, then you did a situation where they were in direct opposition to their and, you know, they're probably going through some serious pain, but later in life they're being more

46:07 well positioned to not have such a small mindset, to take a moment to think, to accept, do what he is. Right. So that pain resulted in a life that was a little bit more rich. I guess you'd sure hope so, if you're the one doing that. Well, maybe. Maybe instead the right approach is to just out to the absurd.

46:30 You can create that absurdity, bow to it, and move on. Now to laugh and say, I can't. I can't change it. You have to pick which thing you try to circle. Guess, you know, you can only struggle against a couple effectively. So pick 1 or 2 and the rest of them you kind of just have to let happen.

46:49 So what spurred this kind of whole conversation, this whole idea to begin with? Where are those statistics I sent you on the the drug overdoses and right. So like, people are doing fucking drugs, man. Like. Yeah. Like like oh what? And so I don't do drugs. I don't do any kind of jerk. Just prescribed bullets. Yeah, but not nothing psychoactive.

47:14 Yeah, right. Hypothyroidism would take levels, oxygen and something else for, you know, to treat that. Yeah. And, for most of their skeletal pain. Tylenol and freaking naproxen like Advil and townhall. Right? Right. Sodium aspirin from time to time are, you take your 81 milligram baby aspirin, I, I think the I think the doctor says I should, but I don't remember to take that.

47:44 But, you know, headache, aspirin. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And, Coffee. Caffeine. Caffeine. Oh, I do psychoactive right there. Yeah, it's psychoactive, but it's mildly psychoactive. And the research shows that the the low dose is beneficial. Not right over time that you might actually be increasing your longevity and copy. Oh, that the everything that I've read said that like, you know, the standard cup a day is good for you.

48:16 Yeah. Like all types of positive health benefits. Yeah. You know, sans all that crazy ass sugar and flavorings. I don't put that in either. I pretty much. But. Or I'll drink it with espresso added to it. Yeah. Now, there's plenty of days where I drink too much, but. Oh, you know, in general that that's my that's my range of, you know, kind of drugs, if you will.

48:42 Yeah. And then as far as psychoactive, I have the most mildest one you can imagine. Right, right. Anyway, so, you know, I'm not going to overdose and die from it. Yeah. No. And, I've. I've stopped drinking coffee on many occasions. So even though it's short term addicting, it's like a two week kill addiction thing, right? Like, he can he can break a caffeine addiction I think in, like, three weeks.

49:06 Nice. At first it is a little hellish. He gets caffeine headaches. Yeah, yeah. So, anyway, what started the whole thing? And almost two. You have less caffeine at first. Yeah, man. First, he's a little more of the far right. Yeah, yeah. So here's the thinking here is that, you know, I don't do it. I don't do drugs, I don't, I don't, you know, promote it.

49:36 In fact, anytime I've talked to it at length with someone, I've been advocating strongly against it. Yeah. I mean, that's the better path for almost everyone, but yeah, if you're gonna do that stuff and do it, it's fine. Well, there's a there's a question there, but, anyway, yes, I'm looking at if you made a decision as an adult to do a two year consequence, but then it still has a huge effect on society and people's excuse are bad.

50:05 So that's bad for most people. Don't do it. Yeah. So, like, legal psychoactive drugs are like the number one fuel for gangs. You know, it's like the number the number one.

50:17 The number one source of revenue and therefore activity for gangs, drug market, psychoactive specifically, is number one for drug trafficking. Come on. Coke, heroin, opioids, all that shit, you know. You know, the. Yeah. The gangs. Gangs are dealing that shit and yeah, meth. The gangs are dealing that shit. And that's what that's what why gangs exist. Yeah. And then the gangs are in other things, like human trafficking and fucking murder and, you know, all that fun.

50:47 Let me do this stuff. No deals to cross it. Prostitution? Yeah. The drugs. The drugs and the legal sex. Probably the engines of the shadow of cars. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. We wait. So, you know, with the death rate alone that I just showed you the other day started yet yesterday's a matter of fact. You know, just that alone shows that the human cost is absolutely like.

51:13 It's in my mind. It's my mind. Okay, so now I can say I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to do something about this. I'm going to fight this, okay? I'm going to do something about it, and I'm going to try to save some or all of those lives. Right? Because that's fucking important. And that's what you've decided is important, and you've decided you want to put your time forwards.

51:35 So I take the time and focus of my life and I put it into saving all who knows how many. And some people would say, that was what you're saying. It's just a perspective, right? Right. You know, it's really hard to give a value judgment on any particular set of things. But if you feel like based on certain metrics that are also important to you, just as important as the task, you know, you measure your own success.

52:00 Really, right? Sure, there's external validation where can say, I am pretty damn successful or, you know, I must say, I'm rich in the world, but most of the time we are small. Fish don't get much external validation. It's all intrinsic. Yeah. So you could debate, like, you know, who's who's the good guy? You know, you must trying to trying to drive humanity rapidly to become a multi planet species or this, this group down in South Carolina that has a 50 acre peanut farm that they use, they take that and they combine it with fortified minerals and nutrients and then make these disposable.

52:45 They make these squeeze packs of peanut butter that have like a five year shelf life that gets shipped to the third world. Yeah. In places where people are literally facing starvation right in this and set of proteins and nutrients. Yeah. One, one packet will, like, keep the child alive for a week. So, you know, there's enough nutrients in it and keep the child going for like a week.

53:04 That's cool. And it's like 30 $0.20 or something to per packet. And they have a their gold star rating. They have like 100% efficacy. Like all the money that you donate to that goes straight to the product because they have a secondary way to fund their administrative overhead. So like your donation to that organization is 100% effective at saving human lives.

53:33 Literally, literally. Right. And, not only saving a life, but producing an opportunity for a quality of life where a person can develop without dysfunction into adulthood. Right? Because, you know, you deprive a child of nutrients during the development phase over time. Well, the facts of their life trajectory, of their life, what they can do. Yeah, they're hovering at a 70, a 60 IQ then.

54:00 So there's a brain in development type idea, right. And then that person becomes a liability to to humanity. Yeah. But anyway, so you know who's the guy who's the good guy here, right. Somebody that's just rich. And, I mean, you don't get rich in a vacuum. And you. So you made a lot of other people rich also.

54:24 But on top of that, a lot of other people poured a lot of effort into making him rich. So. Yeah. And the and the whole, you know, let's build a colony on Mars is just a front. Anyway, it it's it's a front to privatize a set of technologies that are going to be critical to the future of the world in the material space and material science.

54:43 He's really trying to gain a foothold in technology and where it's going to be important in the future. And yeah, but going colony in Mars is a red herring. That's what I'm saying. He's developing all these metamaterials and technologies that are space oriented. But that's not that's a sexy marketing goal. There you go. That's it. Right. And so, you know, if you're going to put your money down on somebody who you want to put it on, the peanut guy from Georgia that's doing this in the third world, or you're telling me he would rather invest in sustainable practices and companies like that?

55:21 You want to you want to invest, you know, at the goal investing or something. Yeah, 100%. That's cool. That's why would you, you know, why would anybody, once they do a little bit of homework, want to do any other thing? You know, I mean, I prefer investing in the vice stocks. No I'm going to do the right. 20.

55:44 Well you know, feed it and it grows, you know. Right. So the the vice companies like the tobacco industry. Yeah. You know, so you increase their profits and they walked away laughed all the way to the bank, to markets, children and to, you know, and they got their legs cut off for a little while. Then they moved into the vaping and marijuana space right round and round we go.

56:11 So invest in that, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No. How about now? There's mirrors in my house. Right. And I know what it means to invest in that. It means that you're feeding into it. The more you more money you put to something, the more you get of that thing. Yeah, yeah. And, you're feeding the beast. I'd rather work my whole life and not retire than retire because of having to use those stocks to retire.

56:39 Right. I get that. Hopefully with you, the double production to society. Like I'm getting a double double positive then in my life. One, I'm not contributing to the two terrible things. Yeah. And then two, I'm contributing to good things, you know, like tutoring kids. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, you've subjectively decided that that's a good thing to you.

57:05 Really subjective. Yeah. You don't think that. You don't think that you can qualify that you're sitting here saying these whole host of things maybe a waste of time from your perspective. So there's got to be a bunch of people who think what you're doing is a waste of time. They're probably in public, right? Tutoring someone on how to do something they don't do, like program the computer or think critically.

57:25 I think there's a net positive effect you've created now. Well, I would make a distinction here. It's like spending your time teaching people critical thinking skills, how to do mathematics and how to program computers. Okay, is totally different than trying to talk somebody out of clean coal, right? You're not trying to indoctrinate or deprogram someone. You're giving them a skill, and there's a net positive effect there.

57:49 And someone can have a Make America Great Again hat on and still learn to program Python. And I'm happy to teach them. But if they start talking to me about a stolen election, I'm saying I'm sorry. I'm not interested in that topic. Right, right. And that's exactly what I do now rather than engage. And it's yeah, if they say, well, what do you mean?

58:07 It's, you know, our whole country is at stake. But it's not just a discussion. We are tutoring in math or we are tutoring. And that's a.

58:19 Your statement. Or do you believe the whole country is a state? Okay. You've made your statement. I don't want to talk about that because I'm not interested. How can you not be interested? It's the most important thing, man. And I was like, well, well, we're focused on doing something right now. That's why I'm here. Well, even outside of that.

58:38 Right. So like, you know, and conversely, I see someone with the Make America Great on hat. I'm not going to say, why do you wear that hat? No, you're not going to confront them and stir and stir the pot. Yeah. Yeah. So, the other day I was in a class and this was crazy, but it was like 2 or 3 minutes into the class, right?

58:59 And, this dude comes in and he's got, like, a chip on his shoulder type look, right? It's like a medium sized guy. Like 25 years old or something like that. There's an older guy that had been talked to in the class sitting just sitting there like, got his notebook out and he's like, you know, class had started doing normal thing.

59:16 This dude doesn't class. All right. You know, and and I think, I think he said he's like, 30, 35 or 38 102 years old. Yeah. That's correct. I was talking about the class, and, the guy comes in and says, you're in my seat. No. Yeah. It's not like there's a sign. Seating. No, but people do tend to gravitate towards a certain seating arrangement, right?

59:40 Sure. Maybe people do sit in the same seat every time because there is on the class a lot of times. Sure. So we're we're creatures of habit to do the same thing. And, you know, you might be sitting somewhere because that's where you're here and see better. You might be sitting somewhere because it's near people you like all sorts of stupid reasons, right.

59:54 Or whatever. And, or you might sit in a different place because you can't hear so well. So you're moving to a place where you can hear them. Right, right, right. Now, if you have poor hearing, it's just you. For some reason, sometimes the acoustics of the room to just doesn't work for you. So there you go. That's about saying they can't even hear or see better.

1:00:10 They might move. So anyway, he says, you're in my seat. Yeah. So and after like some non distinct words were exchanged. Right. You know I didn't.

1:00:23 No no no no no no no no no no no no no. Wait a minute. Let's get something straight. If I'm sitting in a seat in class starting at my shit out. Oh, class is already started. No. Regardless, if if I go and sit in a class where there's no assigned seating and somebody comes up to me and says, you're in my seat, like.

1:00:40 Like telling me to get out. Yeah, yeah, I think you ready know what's going to happen? Okay. What happens? Know if it were me, that's what I thought you were describing. If for me, if somebody came up and was was very polite and said, excuse me, I usually sit here. That's what I thought you were describing with your personal metaphor.

1:00:59 No no no no no no. This is something that really happened. I'm just telling you a story, right? So this guy, this guy that I've now met, his name's Dimitri. And a cool dude, like, he's super nice guy, right? It's like, quality person. No problem. This guy, other dude comes in with a chip on his shoulder and basically tries to bully him.

1:01:20 Does bully him, you know? It's like, that's my seat, you know? And, the guy gets up out of his seat and moves and it, like, upset me, you know? Yeah. Is that the way the exchanges conducted? Look at the first who came in and said, hey, you know, I usually sit here because my girlfriend does, then I get to see whatever or that's how exactly how people should behave themselves, right?

1:01:42 You know, or say, I sit here because I need I need it. No, no, no, I mean the semi legit reason. No, no, this is just a due to the fucking attitude right up here. Yes. And so for me, as soon as that kind of attitude is presented you get the attitude right back. And I'm sorry. It's a character flaw of mine this way.

1:02:00 Right? Basically. I mean, I'm going to multiply it and shove it back at you. Yeah. You and I are similar to some extent with that, right? Like so my response to him would have been fuck off. Well, yeah. You know, you know, like there's no sign sitting in this room. I was here first. Fuck off the seats over there.

1:02:18 If he's being a rude dick. Right? Yeah. If he's if he's carried it there, it's undeniably there then. Yeah. But yeah, there's a whole swath of situations where you're going to be the polite person to say no. Or it might be a really ridiculous, smart ass motherfucker and like, stand up out of the seat and look all over the seat and be like, interesting.

1:02:34 I don't see your name anywhere. Yeah, or some stupid shit like that, you know, like, like, high school crap. And just because the guy came off as a fucking cunt now. But he came in and said that approach might be more or less successful, depending on the Social War here, because that's where he brought it. Now you're in a social domain.

1:02:53 Now you've broadcast this insult that is reacting with deciding on their side. Right, right right, right. So it's like, be careful how you do that. And if you do it right, you win the Social War, which goes a long, long way toward winning everything, especially the older you get. Right? Well, and I'm like smart to I'd probably say something, you know, first of all I say fuck off, then I say something, smart ass.

1:03:18 Then if they just pissed off and like, wanted to fight or something, I'd be like, well, you know, if you want to fight, I won't even defend myself. I'll let you hurt me so I can see you personally get you kicked out of school and in the group in pay for the rest of my what? What? More or less good.

1:03:32 Or it'll be like, oh my God, that nerd, that retard, that asshole. No. And then when he swings, dodge it and then beat the shit out of him. Hey, that's what you want to do. That's what you want to get to win the social game right there. It's supposed to simplistic thing. It is the most primal thing you're saying.

1:03:47 All right. I've insulted you mentally. I've insulted you. Now I'm going to beat the shit out of you. Yeah, but I won't even announce that part. I would just do that if he. If he, you know, tried something stupid, right? Right. But I'm saying that's the quickest path, I think, for you to win most people over here. Right.

1:04:05 So I had said to him when he got up and moved, I was like, wow. You know, like, damn, you know, that was that was freaking. That was huge of you. Like, I'm freaking impressed, man. You know? And he's like, what? What? It's like she just kind of said, like, get out of his seat. And he did like that was that was huge.

1:04:26 That it's like, how nice of you. He's like, well, what was he supposed to do? Oh, like, what was it really like? I guess you're not supposed to do anything. I'm just saying, like me, I wouldn't have been able to do what you just did. Yeah, the tour she made to go ahead and go to whatever bullshit he was feeling rather than gauge with it.

1:04:45 Yeah. And so, you know, there's the kind of thing. So in that situation and I was talking to him after class about it, and I said, in that situation, I have not learned in my own personal life, like, like I haven't learned myself to just get out of the fucking seat and go move somewhere else and put the ego and pride aside.

1:05:07 Yeah.

1:05:10 Right. So, like, why wouldn't I tolerate some small degree of disrespect? That's not going to mean anything over the course of my life, right? So I should have bowed to the absurd. I feel like this jackass thinks that he just. You're in the house of it, and you say rather than impede and resist, I was just let it flow over me.

1:05:33 Crazy man. And then that got me thinking. Her personal life. It got me thinking like, what is wrong with me? You know, like, why? Like, why would I care about something like that? Well, yeah, sure, but they all get involved with it. That's a continual struggle right now. What's important enough to sacrifice yourself to what? What you. What you can safely ignore?

1:06:02 What is what is like the absolute human ideal in some situation like that. Like so, you know, you're you have this focused, purpose driven, life focused, purpose driven life, you know, where are we going? What are we doing? Yeah. Like you have a focused, purpose driven life, and somebody bones up to you about a fucking seat, right in a class.

1:06:26 So then, because of your focus, purpose driven life, you should say this is not my focus. And all that purpose battle out.

1:06:36 But. But then in the process of battling out, is there. Yeah, there's depending on your perspective, you're losing. Yeah. But is there a way to to like, creatively turn that into a massive win? Yes. The way we just talked about it, you got to win the social game. If you win the game it's massive win. If everybody it's a balance of people in the class agree with your show.

1:07:00 You one.

1:07:03 Okay okay. But then you you still have like in the back of your mind, this guy, this guy just like named you out of your seat right. Well, I mean, so you have that to do if you just did you were talking about turning into wit. You didn't lose, right? Oh, like maybe talk him out of it or refuse or be snarky enough that he walks away.

1:07:26 I didn't think about that. Like like, find some way to completely, find some, like, really clever choice of words that makes him give up trying to get you out of the seat. He, Right. And then makes him apologize or something in the process, like Jedi mind trick. Sure. I'm sorry. I'm having that. Whatever you you want to say that is positive that you didn't move, I would think you winning would come with you not moving.

1:07:55 Okay. Right, right. So you didn't move, and you made him feel like the. He was the bad guy. Yeah, like like, I mean, that's the ultimate win without having to beat his ass. You've affected him. You've gotten everybody. You've got some mindshare of everyone in the room, right? Right. I mean, you won on every level. There's a chance he might not do the thing he just did again next time.

1:08:17 Well, someone else if you did that to him. Yeah, I mean, I think the ultimate would be insult the shit out of him. Then he tries to fight you and you beat the crap out of him, too. Yeah, like I don't think he'll be doing that. I mean, that's what I'm saying. That would win anywhere from fourth grade to, you know, to like, elderly in the nursing home, right?

1:08:37 Right. That's gonna that's a winning tack. If your entire life, as soon as people can scrap, if you win all the scraps. There you go. Okay, so I guess we're we're agreeing that the ultimate win is saying fuck off. And then if he wants to push the issue, he ends up kicking his ass. Yeah, that's the ultimate win, right?

1:08:59 But but maybe there's this, like, really sweet, elegant, perfect. And there might be with a person with the right mindset to be able to find this eloquent, elegant, elegant way that chase simplicity and elegance enough that they just immediately see this way of saying things to, yeah, you just come up with this, like, caviar and champagne approach to that situation, and it just annihilates, yeah, your small minded bully.

1:09:27 And your families. This chicken sandwich, the caviar and champagne. I want to check your sandwich now. You want to. You don't want to get hit. Champagne?

1:09:44 You know what I had that I thought was interesting? That's great. Caviar and potato chips. See? Christ, that was delicious. Wow. A lot like a $4 cash card and got some chips. Oh, Jesus Christ, that's like the kid from the local private school getting caught in the trailer park. It was awesome, dude, it was so good. I heard about it on mine.

1:10:11 On vice. Yeah. Vice munchies. And I was like, no way. So is it this a restaurant, the culture shop up the road? And, eating and, you know, they this was during the beginnings of the war in Ukraine. So, yeah, I bought some kind of, like, soup that was a traditional soup in the Ukraine that they had made, you know, it was like it was.

1:10:42 That was the. That's how I came across the caviar and chips. Nice, nice, nice. It was good. It's just like the private school where it's like, you know, you wear a particular blazer with an emblem on it, private school. And your parents are showing that 100 and 60KA year for it. And there's, like, culture and etiquette training. Oh, God.

1:11:01 You know, all these specialty skills that you're learning in this little in this little private school? No. And they do a they do a roll call like by surprise at, let's say, 1:00 in the morning. Sure. Everyone's getting everyone has to stand outside their room while they do a head count. How many times did this happen? Then you're missing how many times this happened to you.

1:11:26 Chris, you know me so well. And, this this is the fake part. Then they find you, like, down, you know, in some Schiller Park with some two bits. Lucy. Well, you know, I don't know. Yeah. This happened the the trailer park part zero. But being caught out with some girl with some other kind of losing out on the park, losing.

1:11:58 No, like like being out with a girl. That's classy. Oh, y'all, you didn't do the flute. All right, all right. But being out, right, like getting caught out.

1:12:10 And, you know, completely unacceptable standards of the. Yeah, the rule of a Bible. So, like, it's in my little analogy, there was, like, the chips and caviar. I was like, two worlds collide. Yes. You're trying to be the rich.

1:12:27 Well, rich kid that's like, you know, that nothing would be more horrifying to the parents and knock up some trailer park, you know, girl, that's like, you know, has to baby daddy. Gravitation. Rebellion. That's two babies. Daddies. And, like, you know, it's really common hands when we're going to say he at least gets the nice one that hasn't been used up yet.

1:12:53 Jesus. Well, gotta make we can't give him a chick. It's got, like, three seas action scars. And that's what I'm talking about. You can't have, like, some diamond in the rough. You have to have, like, a turd in the rough year. No, that's way worse. That's beyond a turd. That's like, usually no situations. They just give them a minor fuck up.

1:13:10 The person is mildly disadvantage. They don't give them, like, scorched earth, Armageddon style. Yeah, I'm talking like two kids with two baby daddies and three scars sometimes.

1:13:26 Yes, yes, somehow I like that. And, you know, definitely some type of terrible drug problem. There we go. So she's a fucking Methodist. Living in the trailer park. Has three kids or kids. Yeah, like Will still the TV, you know, you know, it'll belly LG right there. Invite that person to anything elsewhere and something is solid person.

1:13:49 But anyway, yeah, I just thought that would be funny. Like middle metaphor to your chips and caviar, but. So I think the finally, I think the elegant solution to deal with this kind of person. Okay, the absolute top elegant solution would be to, not only not give up the seat and not only defuze the whole situation and make him feel bad, but to then go on and befriend this person and circle back, restore upon them largesse of your presence and notes, and figure out why it's important to them to feel like they, to feel as if they need to kick somebody out of the seat and they stop doing her.

1:14:30 That's that's the that's the top human elegant solution to the problem. Of course it is. It's but hopefully you don't do too much damage. If that second thing is your intention, I hope you would come in through the minimal amount of damage to have your effect. Yeah. And then go back and actually genuinely get to know the person and become their friend.

1:14:48 Now I guess it would be the the Holy Grail, like the Cadillac plan here would be to man up to him, tell him fuck off, beat his ass.

1:15:00 He's about to get in big trouble. You're not. You're just defending yourself. You're not getting in any trouble, right? You look this ass after he hit you one time, you whipped his ass. It was all self-defense and no trouble whatsoever. Yeah, and then you go ahead and you drop all the charges. So the person. And so these he faces.

1:15:16 No, no, no penalty from, you know, to make matters worse, then you befriend him and make and even help pay his tuition. I mean, if you're trying to kill him by the fucking with kindness, you may have just done it. And you know, he would never, ever, ever, ever try to take somebody out there, you know? Anyway, so to finish the discussion after class, I was telling this guy Dimitri, I was like, you know, dude, you're who I want to be in situations like to be myself that way because I can't.

1:15:46 Yeah. And so the revelation of the whole thing, not that this was even about me, but in the context of having the conversation after the fact, the revelation is I have some fucking problems. I mean, you know, you have some behaviors you want to change, right? Yeah. Now I'm over the whole thing. Like someone cuts me off a trap.

1:16:05 Yeah, I'm over that. Whatever. I'm like, oh, which is it? Something separate. Ball of hell. Yeah. Like kind of over that, but like that direct ruined my seat confrontation. I'm sorry, I, I, I'm, I'm not past that yet. Well, that's the thing. Do you ever need to be. Maybe you can soften it, but you don't have to kill it.

1:16:22 Maybe you can still have that hard core where you let people push you to a point, you know, like, hey, if somebody came up and said, you know, I usually sit there. No, that's 100% right now, though, I'm out of that seat in a second. Yeah. Like, oh, dude, no problem. I'm happy to move. Well, then you might be at a healthy level.

1:16:39 Yes. So strange thing, if this guy was a dick to you, then you'd be a dick back. That's all you're trying to. That's all you're saying? I don't feel like you're doing being beyond the pale. You're not talking about ripping his fucking larynx out like arriving in your personal space. Yeah, but you're not talking about. How are you saying you're in my seat?

1:16:55 I, you know. Yeah, but you're not proposing ripping apart and killing him. You're just saying I'll refuse. Yeah, and I'll make it. No mass. Is that that bad? Yeah. Like just out of the blue. If it were having me. I know for a fact my net reaction was like, that's not going to happen. Yeah, sure. Now, with that and what's what's wrong with that?

1:17:17 You're not rewarding that attitude that you just respect. I think that's probably my exact phrase would be like, you come to me with that kind of attitude. No, that's not happening. Yeah. Did you come to say I'm gonna stay in the seat so I might accommodate? Sorry. I'm staying right here. And sign seating. I think everybody should be allowed to make those kind of lines in the sand.

1:17:36 Now it's going to vary person to person. My level of reaction. Your level of reaction. Sam's depending, you know. Right. Yeah. No, the figure to the whole conversation. If I was 50% and sophisticated as I wish I was or thought I was, would be really making some progress. But anyway, so you're saying that's an it? You just feel like you need to be more sophisticated than highbrow.

1:17:56 You need to find the way, find the way to find the path. You can do it. You had an example at school.