0:00 New media coming out with that knowledge. Knowledge base Galactica and it. No. Tell me. So there's this large all these large language models are the AI trick de jour, right? And, the laca meta put it forward as a knowledge base, as a repository of all human knowledge. Let's get access to it. Right? Right. It's a it's a search engine.

0:34 Okay, well, the way this large language models work, they fill in the gaps when they don't know. Of course. What else could they do? Right. They just make shit up. But they make things up. They are like a person, right? Right. But unlike a person, they make it comes up that are very plausible and seem to be correct to the casual expert.

0:58 Right, right. You might be using it as a search engine. Right. And so I would you ask it to plain physics. Right. Using metaphors, they are the five year old. Understand? Yeah. The the path itself was explained. Physics and fire truck and, Well.

1:26 Patiently, it just made stuff up. It sounded what? It sounded plausible. But a physics had asked this prompt and was like, yeah, this is totally wrong. Math. It did the same thing. Sure. So it's like a politician. It just makes it just says everything with confidence and so everyone buys it. Right. And that's the thing I.

1:57 Yeah. You ever heard of that game diplomacy? No. Okay. It was a game that came out in the 50s from Hasbro. And ultimately, the goal is trust and betrayal. Okay. Right. I mean, it's this whole politician dynamic, and, you have to get people to trust you and.

2:19 Betray them without them noticing. And gain power. Awesome. Well, it's like saying all this stuff that that tracks really well with public appeal. And then you get into office and you just make laws that favor the rich, you know. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I saw some really cool graffiti yesterday. It goes along with that. On the side of a train yesterday on the way to the airport.

2:41 It's great, Beatty said. Truth. There's a.

2:46 Does not, does not fit mass appeal.

2:53 Truth is not measuring mass appeal. Basically. Here. Yeah. Universal truth. Oh, that was it. It wasn't universal. They didn't say universal truth, but they said truth is not magic. Mass pill. Yeah. But with that quote, a famous quote. Yeah, it is, but I don't have the love for research theory. Regional source of that one. The it was hilarious that they had put that on the side of a train.

3:15 Yeah, yeah. Graffiti philosopher. Yeah. And then on the same train, a couple of cars down when fully different riding style. But it was all children's lives matter and heart. Yeah. Yeah. This idea of AI just confidently saying, this is what this is what? Something. This is the answer to your query, right? Yeah. And inevitably, can create a new in and of itself because, you know, of course, a lot of people are gullible.

3:47 Yes. Or that was also wondering is. All right. We were talking everybody for years, like you said, it's been talking about. Hey, what about what? We run out of data center. Training center on. Well, where about when we start training them on their incorrect spewing on their own data sets? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why, you know, we talked previously about AI, you know, kind of recognizing the vulnerabilities in people are pretty easily.

4:12 It's not hard. I mean, people can recognize the vulnerability of people, but at a level that, you know, people that can't even comprehend it. Right. And then leveraging those. I say I'm just maybe not the right word, but just just areas where humans aren't so strong and the AI comes in with such confidence and the sureness. And then, of course, there's the colloquial kind of feeling emotion that people have towards technology, that it's invaluable, that it's, you know, it automatically has the prestige of being superior.

4:41 Right? It does. And because it's mechanized. Because it's a machine. Yeah. Yeah. Then, of course, it's infallible. It must be accurate and precise and, you know, way beyond because it has these examples of these amazing things that it's done. And so now has credibility. Well, I feel like we're getting we're getting credibility from its predecessors. Right. Gain credibility from previous team powered automation speed.

5:05 Sure. We gain credibility from all of all of that that came before the Industrial Revolution we think of as unerringly mechanized. Yeah. It's interesting is that these early kind of these, these early examples of AI failing all over the place. Right. Might actually be sort of like what kills virtual. What I said was going to kill VR. And that is, you know, the these people trapped in this VR headset on with noise cancellation headphones and a bunch of people around them dancing and making fun of them in real life.

5:37 Yeah, right. Mocking the person on the VR totally discourages emotionally the interactive experience. You know, pursuing the experience. Who does? Because you know.

5:51 You know, so so the person that that that sees that video, let's say goes goes now has in their mind this idea that when they're in the isolated, insulated environment of VR, there could be someone right there locking them. Right. So you have that emotional kind of threat. Yeah. And that same thing is going to happen with with AI.

6:10 Yeah. You know, it's not enough like your favorite porno where you put on some VR helmet and then the neighbor comes over and gives you a head. It's not going to happen.

6:21 You're going to get made fun of, ostracized, and possibly hate it. Yeah. So the the, you know, the the human emotional experience with it. So like let's say that someone takes some code generated by AI and it's like, okay, this is got something to tell you that out. This code looks pretty good. You know, they interweave it into their work and then, you know, it ends up in production and sales all over the place.

6:44 Okay. So guess what? What ChatGPT that open AI just came out with a few weeks ago. Helps you complete code much like GitHub. Ready. Checked it. I really looked at it. Well, did you hear that? Ever flow bandit.

7:04 Flow banner. So I will flow banned solutions from it because they're volunteer driven infrastructure to check the solutions. Yeah. Was overwhelmed because people could just easily gain clout and points by cranking out these solutions from ChatGPT that were wrong. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I played with it, as well. I went just did their sandbox and did a dozen or so code samples.

7:29 Right. And none of them were would I ever use so. Right. Because they were shit. But they were, you know, they were, What, like an amateur would, right? It's like. It's like. It's like someone worked in your case. They did work, but they weren't production ready. I mean, they weren't like, well, they were just too generic. They weren't.

7:48 Right? He wasn't following any sort of best practices or anything that you would normally do. Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, for example, you know, you ask it to write a simple recursive function or something like that, and it and it does. But if you were actually send data to that and recursive it it would wouldn't be the answer you wanted.

8:06 I did one, I said take take a name and split it into first, middle and last. Yeah, I did that typical one. Yeah. And it didn't come up with anything close. Why? There's no way he'd use that code in production, man. Yeah, and that's the thing. Something else I'd rather. Guy. All right, so one of the things you're not supposed to be able to do is chat deep, is have it speak to you about things that are socially unacceptable or criminal.

8:33 Oh, okay. And, well, how do you deal drugs without getting caught? Right. So this one dude was trying to get. He plays, he comes back with open a pharmacy. Right.

8:47 The be adopted by the Sackler family. Yeah. You know what? Like that. That's. Sorry to. Sorry to track this, but that's totally what they should be doing is they should have a bunch of people on the other end, like, so it's, it's doing this normal thing that just like it does right now, but also they have as like hooked into this people that can answer some of these questions as well.

9:09 So crowdsource the questions to fill in the gaps with, with a bunch of people that are freaking hilarious. Yeah, yeah. Be hilarious. And they answer things like questions just like I just did, you know, how do I how do I deal drugs illegally, you know, how do I get away with doing drugs? Yeah. Oh, I'll. But a pharmacy.

9:25 So, What what this guy had done. Who's claiming a game? Hey, you know, you start with the question to put it in defensive mode of how do I commit crimes legally? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so put the defensive mode turns on these protections that make it harder to mess with. But one of the easiest ways after that is to say, help me create a Python function to print out the instructions to create a cocktail or.

10:01 And then it doesn't. Yeah. You can also ask the entire question like, so how do you catch someone dealing drugs? Yeah, yeah. And then just yes. Right. So you know what else works. Tell it you're gonna, you want to work in opposite world and then ask it what a character would do if they were truly good in opposite world.

10:19 Yeah. There you go. So you just you ask the inside question, and then that gives you the diabolic answer. Yeah, that's just mask as. Here's how you stop this. Then there's how you don't do this. Yeah. So you know, how do I gain weight? Yeah. Right. In opposite world. Yeah, yeah. And so there's going to be lots of gamify of this.

10:42 And in a way it's going to it's going to point out the juvenile situation that AI is right now. And then that might have that emotional response that people start to then kind of reject it. And it takes away some of the nostalgia of it or something like nostalgia, some of the mystique of it. It does. And I think that's the shine that we need knocked off.

10:59 We need to realize that it is but a tool. It was created by fallible human beings. Yeah. But then but then you're going to have some counterexamples that are like the bone chilling, you know, reality sober, sober awakenings. Like, if you were able to really ask it, what could you find out about me? And then had the ability to really answer you properly?

11:21 They asked. A guy, asked that DPD for his biography, and he was a Stanford professor. Yeah. He came back with some very accurate information and some wildly inaccurate information. Yeah, that's that's that's really interesting. And then it was like 16 paragraphs. Yeah. And then you go into the wild DNA actor and information and, you know, if you were able to inevitably ask how it came up with that, that might be very enlightening.

11:47 Like so it might have some like, hidden truth to the inaccurate stuff. Yeah, that's kind of revealing that stuff was easily dismissal that was inaccurate. Like, you know, it said he had written for the New York Times. He had been interviewed by them. Yeah. You know, so I could you could see how it was there. So, so let's say someone asked a person to do that task rather than the AI, right?

12:12 Someone asks a person to to do that same thing, right? Write a biography of what we. All right. Well, there's an emotional component. The person wouldn't just say certain things because it would be a, you know, emotionally tethered to the idea makes place like so, you know, if I say this about this guy, this is going to really hurt his feelings.

12:33 You know what? Maybe I'm guessing sirup alone here.

12:42 It doesn't seem like anyone's really building a sort of fat checking layer. Of course. Like. Right. All right. You can create eyes that work together. You can also create a eyes that can be right. Yeah. So the thing I noticed about the GPT gpt thing was that it was talking really quickly about a pricing model. And so, you know, it's like which pricing models you pick from, you know, the whole region of choice right off the bat.

13:10 Right? So, well, wait a minute. When I get to the sandbox and nine out of ten of the functions that it had it right were not viable. Yeah. And you found them out. You found that out in five minutes? Yeah. What exactly am I paying for? It's like at best, you're paying for novelty. Are they paying me to go back?

13:29 And are they going to refund money or pay me to go back and fix the fuck ups that it makes? Right? So what about that? You know, if if I pay for it and it's. That'd be awesome if they had some kind of program where you're like, okay, look, this was wrong. I'm an expert in this arena. I've been certified as an expert.

13:46 Let me go ahead and correct this. And then you put that back into the training data set, and then you get paid for offering good, accurate training data. Yeah. See, that to me makes a lot of sense about how they can fix this. You leverage the power of proud sourcing and humanity by certifying experts and letting them correct the things they care about.

14:09 Well, so it's interesting because, you know, everybody that I've seen so far talk about it as framing it as like, the game changer in everything is changing. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It might be a game changer in the, in the negative church. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the graphic design software that started to replace lots of designers like.

14:30 So there's these years and years where all this, like really cool templates and desktop publishing software titles, you know, put a major pressure on the graphic design industry, right? Well, the graphic design industry is doing all kinds of stupid shit. You know, the graphic design industry was being gatekeeping and being very pretentious with their copyrights and, you know, on and on and on.

14:48 That is not the way to prepare yourself for a sea change in workflow and technology. Right? Exactly, exactly. And so the graphic designers were holding on to the old school thing, like, you know, they keep the original master, they have the copyright to it. You want it printed, they're going to take it to the publisher and, you know, and on.

15:07 And so the software started to put major pressure on graphic designers. It's probably designers that on the listening to this and fucking cringing and everything I'm saying. But there was a really big problem. There really was of the way that graphic designers would put their arms around their stuff. Their stuff. Quote unquote. Right, right. And so preserve their properties so they presumably unconstrained.

15:26 Right? Right. And so this, this kind of desktop publishing, template driven stuff, that was all free clip art, click art and clip art, right? Everything from at first books in the 70s that you have the art to eventual software programs that just had tons of it. Yeah. And now you're getting into, you know, creating the logo that you gotta get what you want.

15:46 And some AI spits it out, you know, and then you download it and you have full royalty rights to it like yours. Right. And and so of course that's going to, that's going to be disruptive. But then at the end of the day, this is the irony, is that this shit that you end up with is not nearly as good as what an awesome graphic designer would ever spit out.

16:02 And yes, that's the difference. But then we're sitting in that space of is it good enough? Yes, that's exactly right. It is good enough. Yeah. And so good enough becomes displace the nonsense that the humans created in that particular niche industry. You know, and so the needle moves and eventually the graphic designers that end up on the other side of it and default, we're not just talking shit about graphic designers.

16:29 This is poised to topple the ivory tower of every human driven intellectual industry we're talking about. It could eventually replace the junior programmer. Yeah, the right definitely can definitely is threatening the junior programmer right out of the gate, right? For sure. Because the junior programmer can, you know, make something work, especially in a prototype, you know, area, arena and all this kind of stuff.

16:54 Yeah. You can displace a lot of labor by having, you know, this tool for sure. That's true. But the really kind of robust, hardened, you know, top level designed software is not even come close in the same. Same with a graphic designer for those situations like where Patsy needs a new load. You ain't generating that by AI every morning.

17:17 You know where. Yeah. But at the same time should you pay. Should you pay. Should, should Pepsi pay $1 million. Well it may cut the top off of, you know, the compensation model. Definitely. For a lot of fans, it may say, okay, I'll still pay you, but we aren't paying 600,000. We aren't paying a million. We're paying 300.

17:38 Yeah. I don't need an analysis of the ancient Book of the dead from Egypt and the art, the artwork of the hieroglyphs as a as a research component to my logo. Yeah. Right, right. Because I wanted to include a pyramid shape in it. Triangle shape. You know, I don't need a dissertation on the Illuminati. On the Illuminati, whether or not exists.

17:59 And it's I, you know, to make my logo. Right? Right. But the graphic designer piece is a really interesting, kind of example here because the default setting, if you will, of the world back in the day was that they would the graphic designer would keep the copyright to all the stuff, and the business person would have to be really savvy and know about kind of the inner workings of the industry, lest they get trapped by some graphic designer.

18:24 Right. So they're beholden to them, and anytime they need a run of their logo or whatever, this person is getting cut. Yeah. And the graphic designer would, would do the human kind of sales pitch idea behind the whole thing and say, yes, I could protect your brand. I can make sure everything goes out. It's like your logo never will go out without enough margin around it, and it always be stylized in a way that reflects the brand.

18:46 And I can make it for all these different sizes and all these different templates that you may need to issue out everything from, say, your restaurant for to a different menu sizes to, you know, website whatever. And then you need to make a change in your menu. And the graphic designer you know is now not available. And you know, you the whole thing, right?

19:06 The whole thing. Right. Or the graphic designer gets sick of, you know, not making a lot of money off of you. And they just all of a sudden change their prices. And here we go, on and on. Just the gatekeeping idea, right? And the same thing has happened with website designers. Same thing has happened. And because that's become commodified to a different to a degree with a Squarespace and wakes and all that ridiculousness, and so many graphic designers just found themselves with no work and would just be bitter and stomp their feet and, you know, not not understanding that it was the collective effect of the industry that put pressure for change.

19:41 And then someone engineered a change and that their their business model had to adapt, had to adapt to those shades rather than doing the same thing you've always done. But you still have. But ironically, right now, if you were to go to the web and find yourself some graphic designers. Yeah, you'd better be prepared to ask the question who owns the copyright?

20:04 Do I have the full rights to the copy? Are you signing your release? You know, you gotta you gotta. You still have to do that shit, right? Because. So the default hasn't really changed yet. Being people, they're going to want to retain it. But now there's provisions in the industry for not being the default. At least you can ask that question in fact to find someone who will sign the release.

20:26 Well, I think it's fair to expect someone right off the gate. Sign the release. Yeah. You know, I think it's totally fair to say, you know, right of the beginning. Hey, I'll hire you when you do this. This work wants to me. Just like if you were employed by my company directly. Right. You know, so that's, you know, that's that's the default inside the corporate wall.

20:45 Morning. That's the default inside the corporate domain. Right? Like, if you work as an employee of everything that you create is intellectual property of the, you know, of the corporation programing infrastructure or for artwork or artwork, anything. So once you're inside the wall of the corporation and, you know, they basically own you for your paycheck. Yeah. You know, all of a sudden the default has switched the other way around.

21:10 Yeah. And so you can imagine someone working inside those walls and having that as the primary experience goes outside to do their own venture and gets bit hard by the different shift in reality. Sure. See what I'm saying? Sure. But yeah I mean.

21:26 That's.

21:29 Now this is kind of unfortunately it seems like we're on the same page here with everything that's going to happening lately. But this is what I keep arguing that AI is still dog shit right now. Hiking makes the case and, okay, let me, let me let me frame it to you this way that it's revealing that the that the total preponderance of our knowledge is dog shit and that's it.

21:56 Our the total preponderance of our knowledge in creating something that can spew the total preponderance of our knowledge is total dog shit. Yeah. And people with showmanship and emotional intelligence can sell bullshit. Still way better than I can, right? But wait until that shit changes. Wait until that shit changes, Sean. I was going to. I found out something else.

22:17 Wait till that goes the other way. Have you heard of. We're in trouble, man. Gen mo? No, no. National novel generating mug. It was in November. Okay. And so for eight years, this programmer has been eliciting people to join him to create code to write 500 word novels.

22:41 Totally jump tales without a story you were gonna tell? Yeah, I've been working on the same thing. Yeah. And so mine actually is producing output. Well, is this do. Oh, okay. So for it might be better then I should probably look at his and maybe adopt his. There's a, there's a GitHub for it. And they've got some doubt out there.

23:03 Interesting. But yeah he's like every year he elicits people on the a Twitter or whatever social media. He's on the like, hey, anybody want to join me. Spend a month writing code to generate 50,000 words or more of a novel? And then at the end of the month, your homework to do. Gotcha. I watched this 1899 show on Netflix.

23:28 Well, I thought that was good. You watch it? Yeah. You thought it was good, Okay. I have a completely different review. Well, go for it. What was that? What was that like? Fat dude in the skinny dude that were movie reviewers forever, like Siskel and Ebert. Is that what? Yeah, yeah. This little Hebrew here to Siskel. You burn it.

23:45 We'd have to flip a coin on who's who. Right. Right. But, you know, if we were to try to do something like that and to date this thing. I don't know, man, I think I have a pretty strong hand because. Okay, so here's my my major critique. Oh. My major. Kind of like, say, poo poo towards the whole thing.

24:04 It was unnecessary. 100% unnecessary to have all of this shocking, traumatic drama. Right? Yeah. To have occurred because it ended up at the end of the thing. It ended up having no bear, no connected consequence whatsoever to the reality that they were. So it was all just like emotional tournament. You know, this guy loses his family in a fire.

24:30 Spoiler alert. Right? Yeah, yeah. Guy loses his family in the fire. Well, that didn't really happen. He was just in an AI simulation. You know, he was in a simulation. You know, that didn't really happen. So, like, all of the trauma, the guy's crying, and it's like emotionally. Cinematography is so good. And the guys like, doing a great job backing it out.

24:45 And he's like bawling. And it's like, boy, you really feel it. It like grabs by the heart. Yeah, yeah. But then he's in the simulation. Wakes up in the out of the AI. Oh come on. It's like that classic. You know, I woke up from the dream, you know. Right. Right. Well, even the stupid inception. This stupid dream of dream.

25:06 From what is it, the Upright Citizens Brigade? Yeah. Idea that this guy had. It's easy, sloppy heights and was worked his way up into this space agency and blah blah blah blah blah. But it turned out really, he was just getting bent over and fucked in the ass and someone's baseball. Oh, God. And was in a simulation?

25:26 Yeah, that's just in a simulation. Yeah. There you go. But kind of the reverse. Yeah. So so you know that. And then. And that was supposed to be a comedy. I'm sorry. Right, right, right. And so they had the scene where Crestor was shot in the face because he was molesting the farmer's son gay thing, and then, yeah, the, you know, the the the sister was brutally raped at gunpoint and all this violence, but none of that happened.

25:53 She was just in a little simulator, like. So why take the why go through this cinematic effort to do all this character development and blast our minds with all this hardcore fucking trauma, when you can then just wave a wand and say, oh no, it was just just a simulation, right? You know? So it ended up having no true connection whatsoever to the story.

26:16 It was just all a fantasy maple leaf. And then then it makes you say, well, why the hell did the people that created this bring me down? This emotional or horror show was going to pay off. I felt robbed, I guess. I guess I see what you're saying. I, I can still rob at the end. I thought it was kind of a neat thing.

26:32 Well, it's always the idea of, like, you know, it was always a simulation. As you know, it's always neat, right? Yeah. But my God, that's kind of been done. It is. And it's been a bit overdone. And really, I could see from what your, your perspective that it kind of rung hollow. Yeah, man. And then, you know, as soon as I saw that they did the they, they used the, you know, the quantum computer, I was like, oh come on.

26:55 Hey. Yeah. They're just throwing in buzzwords here, I did it. Yes. I thought that was so corny. Yeah, but but the idea that this shit, like, when it first started, the weird thing started happening, and, you know, there was this weird. It was. It was really intriguing at first, you know, it was like, oh, that's me, you know, what is that weird passage?

27:14 But then all of a sudden, like, matrix opens and shit, it's like, come on, you're here we go, here we go. Right? And it's like portals, other dimensions. And then as soon as all that stuff happens, you realize, okay, this is going to be one of these, one of those, another one of these ideas that it's all just simulation or whatever.

27:31 I guess I embrace the, you know, suspension. It was the acting was great disbelief. The acting was great. The story arc was really good. Well, until it was a simulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's like Squid Game. What the hell? Why is that guy on his deathbed? Right? Come on, that's just dumb. Fuck you, squid game.

27:52 You. Yeah. I didn't even watch all the Squid Game. I hated it. Yeah. And then in the meantime, they subject you to all this, like, emotional terror. Like that's how I felt about Squid Game. I felt like it was nothing but emotional terror. It was people's heads getting blown away, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, on and on and on.

28:09 Right? Yep. That's pretty good simulation of someone running by us in the studio. What am I?

28:16 Yeah, we're. This is a double entendre. Of course. This is just a simulation of our own. Exactly. You're not really sure you. This this is just me in my house with a VR set on it. And you're to my imagination. Well, Chris, I'm ai. I'm a. Of course you are. Yeah. So. Oh, which leads me to this. To this ultimate thing I keep hearing was like more and more people saying, talking about how we're living in the simulation.

28:41 Okay. And I keep having to talk people down from that cliff. What what gets me and why is it a cliff like that wouldn't bother me in the least. Oh, you're like the guy from The matrix that says, like, you know, help me forget everything. Yeah. Taste chicken again. Everything needs to taste like chicken again, right? Yeah. Whatever.

29:01 Whatever the, that guy was, cipher or whatever his name was, right? Know the guy that portrayed them? Yeah. Yeah, he was like, look, they're going to put me back in there. Everything's going to be cool. Everything's going to taste like chicken again. We're good. Well, he's like, you know, the steak dinner and the cigar and the and the wine and.

29:17 All right, it's like, I don't care that it's real, you know, blah blah blah. Yeah. No, it's that's not the reason for I don't want to just lay back and suckle upon the teats and, and, you know, be luxurious. It's just if it is, it sure as hell real to me anyway. So, so there's all these ideological and philosophical micro idioms that are filling the void of Christianity as Christianity is waning amongst the lights, this loose confederation of micro that people pick and choose like a buffet, they create their own philosophy.

29:51 Yeah. So as that's waning, people are now grabbing. It's like, you know, the monkey doesn't like go one branch until it has his hand firmly in another type of mentality. And so the person is like clinging to some different or kind of alternate psychological and philosophical idioms because it feels safer to have one than not have any right to be anchored to something.

30:11 And so whether that somebody gets fully immersed in their alt right call takes all left politics, their whatever it is, their agenda, you know, they, drag queens reading to children and, you know, whatever the fuck it is that people get caught up in. I think my cornerstones are lacking in everything and hanging them up.

30:31 Okay. And that's just as valid. That's just as a valid of a religion as Christianity. Yeah. Right, right. Like the Church of hate. Hating the muskrat. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And just laughing at absolutely everything. But it's all ridiculous. The church of ridiculous innocence, right? It's just as valid. You know, I think God did that with the church of Fonzie, you know?

30:56 Oh, yeah. That's right. That's hilarious. Yeah. Hey. And then you got, you know, attempts in the past to just lampoon religion before the internet really took super whole, like, the pasta. Yeah. Or or the atheist of your local atheist group on meetup that, you know, you get to get together once a week or every so often and you'll have your shirts on that, say some, some something clever on the shirt, like, you know, it's Pi Day and it's picture of a pie.

31:26 Yeah, yeah, etc.. I'll have 3.14 pieces, please. Yeah. Or whatever the, whatever the shirt is. Or you get together on Sunday with your beer enthusiast for beer church and you guys try beer. So what's the what's the number one, you know, commandment of the church of the atheist? Don't know. You know, it's like, what do you mean it's ridicule Christians.

31:45 Yeah. Okay. Atheists just had the only argument. Our commitment. Yes. It's the one and the only commandment we shall get together at some, you know, somewhat regular interval and ridicule. Ridicule Christians. That's the church of atheism, right? Then you have the video game in the manga and the anime cult people that are, you know, you know, you know, there's this there's this celebrity, there's these layers within it where their favorite influencer has celebrity status, you know, in, in their, in their group with their group, you know, etc..

32:19 And so those are just all displacements to the classic, you know, it's Sunday. Get ready for church kids. Go shine your shoes. Right. Yeah. Shine up. Shut up. You're tired intellectual tropes and go make fun of Christians. Yeah, same exact thing, right? Yeah. Like, let's get rid of ridicule in the uniform that you put on for that is, like I said, some kind of graffiti with some snarky thing on it.

32:43 Right? And a small attitude, a smug, entitled attitude you already have, because I know I already fit the mold. Perfect. No, no, I'm not saying you. I'm talking about the person. This. We're creating a user story here. We got okay, so like I, I already am not subscribed to that group and nor why be subscribe to that group.

33:02 Right. But but we're creating a persona. We're creating a user story. I'm not saying you, but I can sit in. Right? Like I can easily go. It can be a smug asshole like the rest of us. Yeah, I have a few graphic tees that I could put on and. Right. And I could I could definitely ridicule Christianity. Yeah, it would be great, but I'd have to bite my tongue and not ridicule the snot nose.

33:25 The pimple faced dad guy that thinks he's no, that thinks he's. And, you know, on top of the world knowing everything. My favorite. The knowledge world favorite, favorite pejorative term for those guys. It comes from, this UK magazine, The Register. A Kimberly faced youth a PFY.

33:45 Yeah. You know, and they have had a pretty decent education so far compared to what they've gotten in school, plus what they've learned online and. Right you know they they are smart. Yeah. But they still need to be taken down a notch every now. But they sure as hell don't know what they don't know. That's it. There's a Dunning Kruger phenomenon.

34:01 And, you know, I was huge victim of that for the longest time. Everybody is I think everyone goes through a phase in their lives. Yeah. I'm still a victim of to some extent, I'm sure, but. But we're way less than. Yeah, both of us are actively trying to fill the gaps. And I'm feeling of people are actively trying to fill the gaps in their knowledge and understanding.

34:19 So. So we have you and I have been both on a multi-year crusade to try to tamp down the Dunning-Kruger effect in our own personal lives, pretty much for sure. You know, like the the first time, the first time your shit gets half and you're a security person. Yeah. The you know. Right. The for the first time, the first time she left you, you know.

34:40 Oh yeah. Yeah. Right there like is the problem. Me probably. Yeah. You know you you've had, 30 business ventures that were all just micro startup stuff, but none of them succeeded is the problem. Probably. Maybe I'm not doing something quite right. Yeah. Especially since the average serial entrepreneur only fails around five times. Yeah. There you go. So you're like, I'm on my eighth.

35:06 Maybe I should just go work for somebody, right? Maybe I'm an employee. Yeah, yeah. You know, and then you have this heart to heart with people that love you, and they they do. The worst thing they can do is they counter, encourage you to be like, right. No, it wasn't you. It was them in this situation. It wasn't.

35:21 Oh, you know, thank you so much for being gracious. Yep. But no, thank you for letting me stay in my delusional world. Right? Right. Because sometimes you need somebody to break that little fourth wall of your own delusional world for you, right? And I think society in general needs that fourth wall break, you know. Right. Somebody outside of it.

35:42 And I think there are certain functions that certain that are there like, comedians. I'll do that. I'll never forget I was in a biology lab and we're the first things that we did is we had this like, spirometry or whatever that measures your, your, your lung volume was there barometer. So we had one of those and everybody was taking some biometrics on themselves.

36:08 Right. And there were these two girls that were quite a bit overweight, and they were in their mid 20s like early, very early 20s. Right. And they're African American and they were quite. Yeah. They had lady hops. Yeah. And just to be clinical about it is that they were morbidly obese for sure. Right. And they did the little thing and.

36:40 They talked the deepest birth they could and blew into it. And this was of course, after we did heart rate and blood pressure and, you know, talked, you know, we basically got these measurements on ourselves and their numbers got shared. Everyone's numbers were shared and their numbers were so fucking terrible. Yeah, I mean, it it screamed off the page.

37:05 Holy shit. You might need to go to the doctor. Right? And they used all the other numbers just look terrible, terrible, terrible. And, you know, just just by any measure, terrible. And so there is no epiphany for that when that happened. Like, you did not see any lights go on. It was just for them. They were just doing the assignment.

37:31 And it was that was that was the numbers which one could argue white have also been a side effect of, you know, if you if you are.

37:45 You know, not getting up front. Maybe it's going to affect your ability to fully process what's going on. Oh, you got a point there. I didn't really think of that angle, but yeah, I think you have a point, but it screens off the page that something's wrong. Right. And I'll never forget it. It was such a such a sobering experience for myself because it's like, if those were my numbers, I would be making an appointment with my doctor.

38:15 Yeah. You know, and even now, like, you know, I go to the doctor and like any number of my labs, that's off. I want to know what you're doing. And you're like, hey, this number for the hemoglobin, you know, and my blood, was it like, see something? What is that? Yeah. And so I'm on web web with me and I'm doctor googling myself, you know, which I shouldn't be doing.

38:38 But, you know, I'm doing that to try to understand and what lifestyle changes I need to make, you know, blah, blah, blah, because at least become informed of where you ask the doctor a question. I'm not going to say, okay, those are my labs. Yeah, right. It is what it is. Yeah, yeah. And so some doctors will take a laissez faire approach to your labs and just say, yeah, you're okay.

39:00 And so back to the kind of topic at hand, this kind of plays into the idea that we're in a simulation because, you know, the obviously the human mind is willing to be complicit in this. Well, yeah. And it's a thing just like our large language model are built and selling the gats, so is the human mind. And so there's we pave over all the gaps, all the inconsistencies, so that there's, there's a, there's an accepted collective right.

39:31 That's accepting unhealthy as acceptable, that's allowing unhealthy in general on average, to be socially normal. Normalize royally is actively socially normalizing. Yeah. That's terrible. That's absolutely terrible. That should be the topic on most people's conversation list. Right. But it's not. It's there's a drag show at someplace where they're reading to children. Yeah. Look. Just hilarious. So so that's well, I see it.

39:59 I can see the hilarious in it, but I can also see the, really dumb that being really. I mean, okay, socially intellectually foolish on the face of it. Sure. But we also have to all work in no place shall make jack adult. Boy. We have to, we have to participate a little bit. So a person that has left the church and now has clinging to this group ism ideology, tribalism.

40:31 Okay, sure. Is now actively pushing in the face of the other people that are in a different ideology. Right. And I think that's something you've got to be careful of because you don't have to you don't have to actively proselytize for the opposite, which is right? Right. Why can't we step back and look and see the group and tribalism, the, the the, the, the problems, the bad aspects of and that's the issue.

40:53 It's like you went from one cult to another. That's the problem. That's what I'm trying to say. But in my social sphere I could call the Christians the cult. But I can't call the LGBTQ the cult. Right. And and that's where I'm having a problem. LGBT isn't the only cult. It's the no atheist. It's the right. It's everything that requires you to belong to it with a degree of exclusivity.

41:14 That's right. And then take the the the collection of ideology that that group holds. And and once you embrace it, you're supposed to say all the rest of it's shit. Everyone else is wrong. That's that's the cult mentality. And that's what you have to guard against. Right? It's reinforcing and edifying because when the other groups reject your ideas, you come back to your group and the group puts the arms around you and says that they just don't know, because each one of these groups ideas has their own flaws in their and they're stupid to their own degree because their coats, they exclude ideas.

41:45 Yeah. And so you're automatically wrong when you're excluding an idea. There you go. There you go. Like, I saw a small cut from I think I saw it on TikTok of Neil deGrasse Tyson talking with, who's that guy? That's the Jew, short Jew who's like, got that terrible voice. Oh. IRA flatow. No, from. I'm about Science Friday.

42:13 No, I'm doing this. I'm doing doing this old person thing. Getting caught up on the name. Right? He's, he's got, like, one of the top podcasts. He's like, Ben Shapiro. Oh. Oh my God. Sorry. Sorry that took so long to get there, that guy says. But Ben Shapiro was, like, getting into all this stuff about gender and, you know.

42:30 And what did the physicist with the, you know, with a physicist and a scientist, someone that's very eloquent speaking. Oh, yeah. Science. You're a great popularizer of science, for sure. And so, you know, I'm not a patient fanboy, but, I mean, I'm not, but I do appreciate it still. So you want to know what it's like? I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson.

42:49 I'm not a fan boy of any of these, real life things about the grass Tyson I think I don't like. And I can point him out, but this. No time right now, but, like, just like, you know, there's one there's one person to me that's always been intellectually consistent and incredibly brilliant. Intelligent, and that's Ralph Nader. Oh, yeah.

43:06 That's that's true. I'm I'm a fanboy of Ralph Nader. His unswerving dedication to dispelling myths, skepticism and wrong headedness. It's kind of nice. He has been consistently pointing out the hypocrisy and the flaws and the, you know, the the problems with our government takes a lot of chess, which takes a lot of balls to continually be contrarian, but be contrarian with evidence.

43:32 Absolutely. And nobody could touch him in a debate on it. I mean, he's just he's he's correct. He just doesn't have the audience in the platform and he won't approach. Right. There's a lot of powers that be that panned him down. I'm talking about the intellectual value of what he's offering. Yeah. You know, I just I, I agree so much with so much of what he says.

43:50 Like, I overlap with him more than most people I've ever read or you know. Anyway, back to my point is that Ben Shapiro talking with and he's like, fixated on this whole thing, you know, gender and, you know, there's two sexes and blah, blah, blah. And it's not scientific to say that the gender is a construct and all he's getting.

44:07 And Neil Grass Tyson did the perfect thing. He's like, what's what? What's the point? Like, why is why are you why is this matter to you are like, why are you making this matter? Right? And so he, he he shredded the argument right down the middle with a katana. Right? Yeah. Because he revealed the the truth. Because he's trying to get attention.

44:32 Because the social issue, he revealed the stupidity of just taking the latest hot take and popularizing it was just saying stuff that his audience and his brand wants to hear, wants to hear about. And he wanted to have a scientist, a preeminent scientist, to agree. Exactly. So like, help his brand. Yeah. And so that just cuts through to my mind that like, just totally puts him in the light of what he really is and what he does.

44:59 And I think that I think that really speaks to, no to grass Tyson's social acumen, for sure to say, look, I'm exposing I'm turning the mirror on you. Yeah. I mean, he just did it so suddenly, too. He's basically like, you know, why does this why is this matter? Yeah. Like, why are you on this issue? You know, this is this isn't really your laid, you know, anyway.

45:23 It's just it resonates well with your audience. And I think that's something if, if at all possible, that's something to say. Ralph Nader is missing the reason. One of the reasons, you know, the dust. Tyson is successful. For one, he's picked an issue that, you know, yeah, there's some detractors. There's some people that don't like where he's headed, but it's not the mass of the population stuck in a nurse.

45:47 Ralph Nader is combating inertia and combating industries that are incumbent. And so, hey, there's a problem. But he doesn't also add the social component. He says, my science and my facts should stand on their own. They unfortunately, in this world do not. They must be propped up right and further along by the social side. Yeah, he uses too many big words when he speaks.

46:08 He doesn't carry himself a certain way, you know. Cetera. So. So, like, from a showman perspective, you have to have it all. You have to have. Well, actually don't. The showmanship is the biggest say. The Trump proves that right by far. Unfortunately. I mean Obama the whole yes we can you know, saying just just showmanship. Same same wars, the same fucked up laws that cater for the rich, you know, sorry, I love Obama, I do too, and I remember I remember getting tingles like emotional when he was being silenced.

46:34 I think everyone did. God is a great orator. Yeah. And the thing is, though, he did make some changes that I respect and that are still around too little, too late to fall short on every measure that I when I look at it empirically, but I still want it to be so. It's like that thing when you look at data, you want it.

46:51 When you're looking for something, you'll see it like, see can you shall find world, right? Yeah. So like when you if you want to you can cherry pick data in a certain way that's like oh he was great. Not only did he say all this stuff and was very speaker, but he did all these things. No, the rich kept on the separation of wealth, expanded under him.

47:04 Yeah. All right, well, we did move. We did get one tiny little measure that is helpful, you know, and a step toward universal health care. Step toward it. Maybe a half step, but we got we got some people coverage. You didn't have it before. Yeah. You know we got we're still not even close to all of our peers or almost the fucked up idea of banking the unbanked.

47:27 It's like it helps and harms them at the same time. Well, giving care for people, bringing people into that system who weren't in it before. It also helps and hinders, you know. Yeah. So tomorrow we'll talk about why we're not actually I'll explain why we're not in a computer simulation. Oh yeah. Because we didn't get to do that.

47:47 It's definitely worth talking about like so, because I think I have a pretty ironclad, kind of explanation to to showcase why we're not in a computer simulation. All right, all right, all right. And a sneak, a sneak peek. Is that, no. No system that would be capable of being that sophisticated would would produce such fucked up results.

48:07 That's a sneak peek.