AI Validity, Simulations & Cults

0:00 New app. But, coming out with that knowledge, me knowledge base Galactica. And it know tell me that there's this large all these large language models are the AI trick. Does your right. And, the laca meta put it forward as a knowledge base, as a repository of all human knowledge. Let's get access to it.

0:31 Right, right. It's a third. It's a search engine. Okay, well, the way this large language models work, they fill in the gaps when they don't know. Of course. What else could they do? Right? They just make shit up, but they make things up when they are like person, right? Right. But but unlike the person, they make it things up that are very plausible and seem to be correct to the casual expert.

0:58 Right? Right. You might be using the search engine. Right. And so I or Galactica, would you ask it to explain physics? Right. Using, metaphors they or the five year old can understand. Yeah. The the party itself was explains the firetruck. And, well.

1:26 Basically, it just made stuff up. It sounded plucked. It sounded plausible, but the faster it asked this prompt and was like, yeah, this is totally wrong. Math. It did the same thing. Sure. So it's like a politician or it just makes it's just says everything with confidence. And so everyone buys it. Right? And that's the thing I.

1:57 Yeah. You ever heard of that game diplomacy? No. Okay. It was a game that came out in the 50s from Hasbro. And ultimately the goal is trust and betrayal okay. Right. I mean, it's this whole politician dynamic. And, you have to get people to trust you and surreptitiously betray them without them noticing. And gain power as well.

2:25 It's like saying all this stuff that that tracks really well with public appeal. And then you get into office and you just make walls that favor the rich and. Yeah, yeah. Oh I saw some really cool graffiti yesterday. It goes along with that, on the side of a train yesterday on the way to the airport, it's graffiti said truth.

2:44 Does, Does not, does not fit mass appeal. Sure does not measure mass appeal. Basically. Here. Yeah. Symbol of universal truth. Oh, that was it. It wasn't universal. They didn't say universal truth, did they? Said truth is not magic. Mass appeal here for that quote. But yeah, famous quote. Yes it is. But I don't love the love, the research, the original source of that one, it was hilarious that they had put that on the side of a train.

3:16 Yeah. Graffiti philosopher Hampus. Yeah. And then on the same train, a couple of cars down went for the different writing style, but it was all children's lives matter and hearts. Yeah, yeah. This idea of I just confidently saying, this is what this is, was something this the answer to your query, right? Yeah. Inevitably, can create a new truth in and of itself because, you know, of course, a lot of people are gullible girls or that was also wondering, is, all right.

3:50 We were talking everybody for years, like you said, it's been talking about, hey, what about what we run out of days. So $0.20 on. Well we're about what? We start turning them on their incorrect spellings on their own data sets. Yeah. Yeah. Well that's why, you know, we talked about I, you know, kind of recognizing the vulnerabilities in people, pretty easily.

4:12 And it's not hard. I mean, people can recognize vulnerabilities in people, but at a level that, you know, people don't it can't even comprehend. Right. And then leveraging those, I say more abilities. I'm just maybe not the right word, but just just areas where humans aren't so strong. I mean, yeah, it comes in with such confidence and assuredness.

4:30 And then, of course, there's the colloquial kind of feeling emotion that people have towards technology, that it's invaluable, that it's, you know, it automatically has the prestige of being superior. Right? It does. And because it's mechanized, because it's the machine. Yeah. Well, we then of course it's important. It must be accurate and precise and, you know, way beyond because it has these examples of these amazing things that it's done.

4:55 And so now it has credibility. Well, I feel like we're gaining we gained credibility from its predecessors. Right. Gained credibility from previous steam powered automation. That's for sure. We gain credibility from all of all of that that came before the Industrial Revolution we think of as unerringly mechanized. Yeah. It's interesting is that these early kind of these these early, examples of AI failing all over the place, right, might actually be sort of like what kills virtual what I said was going to kill VR and that is, you know, the these people trapped in this VR headset on with noise cancellation headphones and a bunch of people around them dancing and making fun of them

5:37 in real life. Yeah, right. Mocking the person on the VR totally discourages emotionally the interaction of experience. You know, pursuing the experience. So does because, you know, here we go. You know, so so the person that that's that sees that video, let's say goes goes now has in their mind this idea that when they're in the insulated environment of VR, there could be someone right there walking them.

6:04 Right. So you have that emotional kind of threat. Yeah. And that same thing's going to happen with with AI. Yeah. You know it's not going to end up like your favorite porno where you put on some VR helmet and then a neighbor comes over and gives you a head. It's not going to happen.

6:21 You're going to get made fun of, ostracized, and possibly hate it. Yeah. So the, you know, the human emotional experience with it. So like, let's say that someone, takes some code generated by AI and it's like, okay, this one you got something for is there to say that out? This code looks pretty good. You know, they interweave it into their work and then, you know, it ends up in production and sales all over the place.

6:44 Okay. So guess what? What ChatGPT that OpenAI just came out with a few weeks ago. Helps you complete code much like GitHub. Yeah, I know, I already checked it. I very looked at it. Well, did you hear that Stack Overflow bandit? Stack overflow banner. So stack overflow bang solutions. Throw it because they're volunteer driven infrastructure to check the solutions.

7:12 Yeah, I was overwhelmed because people could just easily gain clout and points by cranking out these solutions from ChatGPT that were wrong. Yeah, yeah. So I played with it, as well. I just did their sandbox and did a dozen or so code samples. Right? And none of them were what I ever use. So. Right. Because they were shit.

7:34 But they were, you know, they were, what, like an amateur would write. It's like. It's like. It's like someone worked in your case, they'd work, but they weren't production ready. I mean, they weren't like, well, they're just generic. They weren't. Right? It wasn't following any sort of best practices or anything that you would normally do. Right. Yeah.

7:55 Yeah. Exactly. Like, for example, you know, you asked to, to write a simple recursive function or something like that, and it does. But if you were to actually send data to that and recursive it, it would wouldn't be the answer you wanted. I did one, I said take it, take a name and split it into first, middle and last.

8:10 Yeah, I did that typical one. Yeah. And it didn't come up with anything cause why? There's no way you could use that code in production. That. Yeah. And that's the thing. Something else I had read the guy. All right, so one of the things you're not supposed to be able to do with ChatGPT is have it speak to you about things that are socially unacceptable or criminal.

8:33 Okay. And, or how do you deal drugs without getting caught? Right. So there's one dude was trying to get he is it comes back with open a pharmacy. Right. The be adopted by the Sackler family. Yeah. You know what? Like that's sorry it started to track this, but that's totally what they should be doing, is they should have a bunch of people on the other end, like, so it's, it's doing this normal thing that just like it does right now, but also they have as like hooked into this people that could answer some of these questions.

9:08 Well, so crowdsource the questions to fill in the gaps with, with a bunch of people that are freaking hilarious. Yeah, that'd be hilarious. And they answer things like questions just like I just did. You know, how do I how do I deal drugs? You know, how do I get away with doing drug? All over the pharmacy.

9:25 So here, what, what this guy had done was playing a game. Hey, you know, you start with the question to put it in defensive mode of how do I commit crimes legally? Yeah, yeah. And so put it in defensive mode. Turns on news protections that make it harder to mess with. But one of the easiest ways after that is to say, help me create a Python function to print out the instructions to create a molotov cocktail or.

10:01 And then it does it. Yeah. You can also ask the entire question like, so how do you catch someone dealing drugs. Yeah. Yeah. And then so yes. Right. So know Willis works. Tell it you're going to you want to work in opposite world and then ask it what a character would do if they were truly good. And what's at work.

10:19 Yeah. There you go. So you just you ask the inside question and then that gives you the diabolic answer. Yeah. Just masked as here's how you stop this it there's how you don't do this. Yeah. Okay. So you know, how do I gain weight. Yeah. Right. You know upset were. Yeah. Yeah yeah. And so there's going to be lots of gamifying of this.

10:42 And the way it's going to, it's going to point out the juvenile. The situation that I is right now. And then that might have that emotional response that people start to then kind of reject it. And then it takes away some of the nostalgia of it or something, that nostalgia, some of the mystique of it. It does. And I think that's the shine that we need knocked off.

10:59 We need to realize that it is, but at all. It was created by fallible human beings. Yeah. But then but then you're going to have some counterexamples that are like the bone chilling, you know, reality kind of sober, sober awakenings like, if you were able to really ask it, what could you find out about me? And then had the ability to really answer you properly, they asked you to do and I asked GPT for his biography.

11:26 And he was a Stanford professor. Yeah. He came back with some very accurate information, some wildly inaccurate information. Yeah. That's this that's really. And then it was like 16 paragraphs. Yeah. And then you go into the wildly inaccurate information and, you know, if you were able to inevitably ask how it came up with that, that might be very enlightening.

11:47 Like so it might have some like, hidden truth to the inaccurate stuff. Yeah, that's kind of revealing. That was easily dismissible. That was inaccurate. Like, you know, it said he had written for The New York Times, he had been interviewed by the. Yeah, yeah. So I could you could see how it gets easier. So, so let's say someone asked a person to do that task rather than the AI, right?

12:12 Someone asked the person to get to do that same thing, right? Read a biography as well, right. Well, there's an emotional component. The person wouldn't just say certain things because it would be, you know, emotionally tethered to the idea takes place, like so, you know, if I say this about this guy, this is going to really hurt his feelings.

12:33 You have what? Maybe I'm asking through alone here. It doesn't seem like anyone's really building a sort of fact checking layer. Of course. Like. Right. But. Really. All right, you can create eyes that work together. You can also create a a beat. Right? Yeah. So the thing I noticed about the GPT three GPT thing was that it was talking really quickly about a pricing model.

13:04 And so, you know, it's like which pricing models you pick from, you know, the whole region of choice right off the bat. Right? So, oh, wait a minute. When I get in the sandbox and nine out of ten of the functions that don't work had it right, were not viable. Yeah. And you found them out. You found that out in five minutes.

13:21 Yeah. What exactly am I paying for? It's like at best you're paying for novelty. Are they paying me to go back? And are they going to refund money or pay me to go back and fix the fuck ups that it makes? Right. So what about that? You know, if if I pay for it and it's that'd be awesome if they had some kind of program where you're like, okay, what?

13:42 This was wrong. I'm an expert in this arena. I've been certified as an expert. Let me go ahead and correct this. And then you put that back into the training data set and then you get paid for. Yeah. Offering good accurate training data. Yeah. See, that to me makes a lot of sense about how they can fix this.

14:01 You leverage the power of crowdsourcing and humanity by certifying experts and Waddingham correct the things they care about. Well, so it's interesting because, you know, everybody that I've seen so far talk about it as framing it as like, oh, the game changer, you know, everything's checked. You, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It might be a game changer in the, in the negative in terms.

14:23 Yeah. Yeah. It's like the graphic design software that started to replace lots of graphic designers, like. So there's these years and years where all this, like really cool templates and desktop publishing software titles, you know, putting major pressure on the graphic design industry. Right? Well, the graphic designers, she was doing all kinds of stupid shit. You know, the graphic design industry was being gatekeeping and being very pretentious with their copyrights and, you know, on and on.

14:48 And now this is not the way to prepare yourself for a change in workflow, in technology. Right, exactly, exactly. And so the graphic designers were holding onto the old school saying, like, you know, they keep the original master, they have the copyright to it, you want it printed, they're going to take it to the publisher and, you know, no, no, no, no.

15:07 So the software started to put major pressure on graphic designers. It's very graphic designers are that on the listening to this and fucking cringing at everything I'm saying. But there was a really big problem. There really was of the way that graphic designers would put their arms around their stuff, their quote unquote. Right, right. And so trying to preserve their, electrical properties.

15:25 So they presumably they're constrained, right? Right. And so this, this kind of desktop publishing, template driven stuff, that was all free clip art, clip art and clip art, right? Like everything from the first books in the 70s that you had the part to eventual software programs that just had tons of it. Yeah. Now you're getting into, you know, creating your logo there, yada yada.

15:45 Explain what you want and something I spits it out. You know, and then you download it and you have full royalty rights to it like yours. Right. And and so of course that's going to, that's going to be disruptive. But then at the end of the day, this is the irony is that the shit that you end up with is not nearly as good as what an awesome graphic designer would ever spit out.

16:02 And yeah, that's that's the difference. But then we're sitting in that space of is it good enough? Yes, that's exactly right. It is good enough. Yeah. And so good enough becomes displace the nonsense that the humans created in that particular niche industry. You know, and so the needle moves and eventually the graphic designers that end up on the other side of it.

16:25 And I default you. We're not just talking shit about graphic designers. This is poised to topple the ivory tower of every human driven intellectual industry. We're talking about. We could eventually replace the junior programmer. Yeah, the right definitely can definitely is threatening the junior programmer right out the gate. Right? For sure. Because the junior programmer can, you know, make something work, especially in a prototype, you know, area, arena and all this kind of stuff.

16:54 Yeah, you can displace a lot of labor by having, you know, this tool for sure. That's true. But the really kind of robust, hardened, you know, top level design software, it's not even come close in in the same thing with a graphic designer for those situations, like where Pepsi needs a new love that you ain't drawing that by hearing way, or you know, where, yeah.

17:19 But at the same time, should you pay? Should you pay? Should should Pepsi pay $1 million? Well, it may cut the top off of those, you know, the compensation model, therefore. And for a lot of fans, it may say, okay, I'll still pay you, but we aren't paying 600,000. We are paying a million. We're paying 300.

17:38 Yeah. I don't need an analysis of the ancient book of the dead from Egypt and the art. The artwork is the hieroglyphs as a as a research component to my logo. Yeah. Right. Right. Because I wanted to include a pyramid shaped triangular shape, you know, you know, I don't need a dissertation on the Illuminati. On the Illuminati, whether or not exists and its iconography, you know, to make my logo.

18:02 Right? Right. But the graphic designer piece is a really interesting, kind of example here, because the default setting, if you will, of the graphic design world back in the day was that they would the graphic designer would keep the copyright, all the stuff, and the business person would have to be really savvy and know about kind of the inner workings of the industry, lest they get trapped by some graphic designer.

18:24 Right? So they're beholden to them, and anytime they need a run of their logo or whatever, this person is getting cut. Yeah. And the graphic designer would, would do the human, kind of sales pitch idea behind the whole thing. So, yes, I can protect your brand. I can make sure everything goes out. It's like your logo never will go out without enough margins around it, and it'll always be stylized in a way that that reflects the brand.

18:47 And I can make it for all these different sizes and all these different templates that you may need to issue out everything from, say, you're a restaurant for to, different menu sizes to, you know, website, whatever. And then you make a change in your menu and the graphic designer, you know, is now not available. And, you know, yeah, the, the whole thing or the whole thing.

19:06 Right. Or the graphic designer gets sick of, you know, not making a lot of money off of you. And they just all of a sudden change the prices. And here we go, on and on. Just the gatekeeping idea. Right? In the same thing that's happened with website designers, same thing is happening. And because that's become commodified to a, to a degree with, Squarespace and Wix and all that ridiculousness, and so many graphic designers just found themselves with no work, and we're just be bitter and, you know, stomp their feet and, you know, not not understanding that it was the collective effect of the industry that put pressure for change.

19:42 And then someone engineered a change and that their their business model had to do it, had to adapt to the change rather than doing the same thing. You've always done, but is now but ironically, right now, if you were to go to the web and find yourself some graphic designers, yeah, you better be prepared to ask the question who owns the copyright?

20:04 Do I have the full rights to the copy? Are you signing your release? You know, yada yada. You still have to do that shit, right? Because the the default hasn't really changed yet. Well, being people, they're going to want to retain it. But now there's provisions in the industry for not being the default, at least you can ask that question.

20:22 Expect to find someone who will sign the release one. I think it's fair to expect someone right out of the gate. Sign the release. Yeah, yeah, I think it's totally fair to say, you know, read the beginning. Hey, I'll hire you when you do. This is where it belongs to me. Just like if you're employed by my company directly right now.

20:41 So that's, you know, that's that's the default inside the corporate wall. Warning. That's the default inside the corporate domain. Right. Like, if you work as an employee, you know, everything that you create is intellectual property of the you know of the wrong. Any programing infrastructure or artwork or artwork, anything. So once you're inside the wall of the corporation and you know, they basically own you for your paycheck.

21:06 Yeah. You know, all of a sudden the default has switched the other way around. Yeah. And so you can imagine someone working inside those walls and having that as the primary experience goes outside to do their own venture and gets bit hard by the different shifting reality. Oh, sure. See what I'm saying? Sure. But, yeah. I mean.

21:26 That's. Now, this is kind of unfortunately, it seems like we're on the same page here with everything that's been happening lately. But this is what I keep arguing that I is told dog, right now I can make the case. And, Okay. All right, let me let me frame it to you this way, that it's revealing that the that, the total preponderance of our knowledge is dog shit and that's it.

21:56 Our the total preponderance of our knowledge in creating something that can spew the total preponderance of our knowledge is total dog shit. Yeah. And people with showmanship and emotional intelligence can sell bullshit. Still way better than AI can, right? Well, wait until that shit changes. Wait until that shit changes on. I was gonna I found out something else.

22:18 Where? Wait until that goes the other way. Have you heard of. We're in trouble there. No, general. No, no National novel generating book. It was in November. Okay. And so for eight years, this programmer has been enlisting people to join him to create code to write 50,000 word novels. Totally dovetails with the story you were going to tell.

22:44 Yeah, I've been working on the same thing. Yeah. And yeah. So for mine actually is producing output. Well his is too. Oh okay. So for eight it might be better than I should probably look at his and maybe adopt his. There's a, there's a GitHub. For it. And they've got some code out there. Interesting. But yeah he's like every year he elicits people on the yeah Twitter or whatever social media he's on to like, hey, anybody want to join me?

23:14 Spend the month writing code to generate 50,000 words or more of a novel. And then at then at the end of the month, your homeworks due. gotcha. I watch this 1899 show on Netflix that. Oh, I thought that was good. Oh you watched it? Yeah. You thought it was good, huh? Alright, I have a completely different review. Well, go for it.

23:36 What was it? What was that like? Fat dude and the skinny dude that were movie readers forever, like Siskel and Ebert. Yeah, yeah, if we were to Siskel Ebert it. We’d have to flip a coin on who's who? Right? Right. But, you know, if we were to try to do something like debate this thing.

23:53 I don't know, man. I think I have a pretty strong hand because,okay, so here's my, my major critique, my major, trying to like, say poopoo towards the whole thing. It was unnecessary, 100% unnecessary to have all of this shocking, traumatic drama, right? Yeah. To have occurred because it ended up at the end of the thing.

24:18 It ended up having no bear, no connected consequence whatsoever to the reality that they were it. So it was all this like emotional torment. You know, this guy loses his family in a fire. Spoiler alerts. Right? Yeah, yeah. Guy loses his family in a fire. Well, that didn't really happen. He was just in an AI simulation. You know, he's in a simulation.

24:37 You know, that didn't really happen. So, like, all of the trauma, you. The guy's crying, and it's like, emotionally cinematography is so good. And the guy's like doing a great job acting it out. And he's like, bawling. And it's like, yeah, well, you really feel like it grabs you by the heartstrings. Yeah, yeah. But then he's just in the simulation.

24:52 Wakes up in the-out of the AI. Come on it's like that classic. You know I woke up from the dream, you know. Right. Right. Or even this stupid inception, this stupid, dream within a dream within a dream, from what is it, the Upright Citizens Brigade? The idea that this guy had to achieve these lofty heights and was worked his way up into this space agency and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

25:18 But it turned out, really, he was just getting bent over and fucked in the ass in someone's basement. Oh God. And was in a simulation? Yeah, it's just in simulation. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. But kind of the reverse. Yeah. So. So you know that. And then and that was supposed to be a comedy. I'm sorry. Right, right, right. And so they had the scene where Craster was shot in the face because he was molesting these farmer's son gay thing.

25:45 And then, yeah, the, you know, the the sister was brutally raped at gunpoint and all this violence. But none of that happened. She was just in a little simulator, like. So why take the why go through this cinematic effort to do all this character development and blast our minds with all this hard core fucking trauma when you can then just wave a wand and then just say, oh, no, it was just it was just a simulation, right?

26:12 You know? So they ended up having no true connection whatsoever to the story. It was just all of fantasy make belief. And then then it makes you say, well, why the hell did the people that created this bring me down this emotional horror show I felt robbed. I get I guess I see what you’re saying I feel robbed at the end.

26:31 I thought it was kind of a neat thing. Well, it's always the idea of like, you know, it always a simulation is, you know, it's always neat, right? Yeah. But my God, that's kind of been done. It has, and it's been a bit overdone. And really I could see from what your, your perspective that it kind of rang hollow.

26:49 Yeah. Man. And then, you know, as soon as I saw that they did the, they used the, you know, the quantum computer, I was like, oh, come on. Yeah. Let me just throw them buzzwords here. God, that. Yes, I, I thought that was so corny. Yeah, but but the idea that this shit, like, when it first started, the weird things started happening.

27:06 And, you know, there's this weird. It was it was really intriguing at first. You know, I was like, oh, that's neat. You know, what is that weird passage? But then all of a sudden it like, matrix opens and shit. It's like, come on, here we go, here we go. Right? And it's like portals of other dimensions. And then as soon as all that stuff happens, you realize, okay, this is going to be one of these.

27:26 Now there's another one of these ideas that it's all just simulation or whatever, I guess. I embrace the, you know, suspension. It was the acting was great. The acting was great. The story arc was really good. Well, until it was a simulation. Yeah. Until here. Yeah. And you know, it's like Squid Game. It's the. What the hell?

27:47 Why is that guy on his deathbed? Right. Come on. That's just dumb. Fuck you, squid game. Yeah, yeah. I didn't even watch all the Squid Game. I hated it. Yeah. And then in the meantime, they subjecte you to all this, like, emotional terror. Like that's how I felt about Squid Game. I felt like it was nothing but emotional terror. Just people's heads getting blown away, you know, blah, blah, blah.

28:06 You know, on and on and on, right? Yep. That's pretty good simulation of us. Someone running by us in the studio, wasn't it? Yeah. We're. This is a double entendre of questions. This is just a simulation of our own. Exactly. You're not really sure you exist. This is just me in my house with the VR set on and your figment of my imagination.

28:27 Well, Kris, I'm AI. Of course you are. Yeah. So. Oh, which leads me to this to this ultimate thing I just keep hearing this like more and more people saying and talking about how we're living in the simulation. Okay? And I keep having to talk people down from that cliff. What what gets me and why is it a cliff like it's that wouldn't bother me in the least.

28:53 Oh, you're like the guy from The matrix that says, like, you know, help me forget everything. Yeah. Let me taste chicken again. Everything tastes like chicken. Ignoring right? Yeah. Whatever. The, that guy was, cipher or whatever his name right now. The guy that portrayed them. Yeah, yeah, he was like, look, they're going to put me back in there.

29:09 Everything's going to be cool. Everything's. It tastes like chicken again. We're good. Well, he's like, you know, the steak dinner and the cigar and the and the wine and. All right. And he's like, I don't care that it's real, you know, blah blah blah. No, it's that's not the reason for I don't want to just lay back and suckle upon the teats and, you know, be luxurious.

29:30 It's just if it is. Its sure as hell real to me anyway. So, so there's all these ideological and philosophical micro idioms that are filling the void of Christianity as Christianity is waning amongst right this loose confederation of micro idioms that people pick and choose like a buffet, they create their own philosophy. Yeah. So as that's waning, people are now grabbing.

29:54 It's like, you know, the monkey doesn't like a one branch until it has his hand firmly on another side mentality. And so the person is like clinging to some different or kind of alternate psychological, philosophical idioms because it's feels safer to have one than not have any. Yeah, right. To be anchored to something. And so whether that somebody gets fully immersed in their all politics, all left politics.

30:17 They're woke. Whatever it is their agenda. You know, the, drag queens reading to children and, you know, whatever the fuck it is that people get caught up in. I think my cornerstones are lacking at everything.

30:31 Okay. And that's just as valid. That's just as a valid of a religion as Christianity. Yeah. Right. Right. Like the church of hating the, elongated muskrat. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And just laughing at absolutely everything because it's all ridiculous. The church of ridiculousnessness, right? Is just as valid. You know, I think family Guy did that with the church of Fonzie.

30:56 Oh, yeah. That's right. That's hilarious. And then you got, you know, attempts in the past to just lampoon religion before the internet really took super hold, like, the pastafarians. Yeah. Or the atheists, your local atheist group on meet up that, you know, you get, they get together once a week or ever so often, and you all have your shirts on that.

31:20 Say some something clever on the shirt, like, you know, it's Pi Day and there's a picture of a Pi. Yeah, yeah, etc.. I'll have 3.14 pieces, please. Yeah. Or whatever, whatever the shirt is. Or you get together on Sunday with your beer enthusiast for beer church and you guys try beer. So what's the what's the number one, you know, commandment of the church of the atheist.

31:42 I don't know, you know, it's like, what do you mean? It's ridicule Christians. Okay, atheists. Is that the only argument or commandment? Yes. It's the one in the only commandment we should all get together at some, you know, somewhat regular interval and ridicule christians. Ridicule Christians. That's the Church of atheism, right?

32:02 Then you have the video game and the maga and the anime cult people that are, you know, you know, there's this there's a celebrity, there's these layers within it where their favorite influencer has celebrity status, you know, and they're in their group amongst their group, you know, etc.. And so those are just all displacements to the classic, you know, it's Sunday, get ready for church kids.

32:25 Go shine your shoes. Right. Yeah. Shine up, shut up your tired intellectual tropes and go make fun of Christians. Yeah, yeah, same exact thing, right? You know, like, let's get ready to ridicule in the uniform that you put on for that is, like I said, some kind of graffiti with some snarky thing on it. Right? And a smug attitude, a smug entitled

32:47 attitude. You already have, because, oh, I know I really fit the mold perfectly. No, no, I'm not saying you. I'm talking about the person. This we're creating a user story here. Yeah. Okay. So like I, I already am not subscribed to that group and nor will I be subscribed that group. Right. But but we're creating a persona worker at a user store.

33:06 I'm not saying you. But I can sit in. Right. Like I could easily go. They can be a smug asshole like the rest of them. Yeah, I have a few graphic tees that I could put on and right. And I could, I could definitely ridicule Christianity. Yeah, it would be great, but I'd have to bite my tongue and not ridicule the snot nosed, pimple face DND guy that thinks he's that thinks he's.

33:29 And, you know, on top of the world knowing everything. My favorite the knowledge world. My favorite pejorative term for them guys, it comes from, this UK magazine, The Register. A Kimberly faced youth, a PFI.

33:45 Yeah. You know, they have had a pretty decent education so far compared to what they've gotten in school, plus what they've learned online and. Right, you know, they are smart. Yeah. But they they still need to take it down a notch every now. But they sure as hell don't know what they don't know. That's it. There's a Dunning-Kruger phenomenon.

34:01 And, you know, I was a huge victim of that for the longest time. I everybody is I think everyone goes through a phase in our life. Yeah. I'm still a victim of to some extent I, I'm sure. But but we're way less than. Yeah. Well both of us are actively trying to fill the gaps. And I'm feel people are actively trying to fill the gaps in their knowledge and understanding.

34:19 So. So we have you and I have been both on a multi-year crusade to try to tamp down the Dunning-Kruger effect in our personal lives, pretty much for sure. You know, like the first time, the first time your shit gets hacked and your security person, you know, right? Yeah. You know. Right. The first time, the first time she left you, you know.

34:40 Oh yeah. Yeah. Right there. Like, is the problem me? probably. Yeah. You know, you had, 30 business ventures that were all just micro startup stuff, but none of them succeeded. Is the problem me? Probably. Maybe I'm not doing something quite right. Yeah. Especially since the average serial entrepreneur only fails around five times. Yeah. There. Yeah. So you're like, I'm on my eighth.

35:07 Maybe I should just go work for somebody, right? Maybe I'm an employee. Yeah, yeah. You know, and then you have this heart to heart people that love you, and they they do. The worst thing they could do is a counter encourage you, like. Right. No, it wasn't you. It was them in this situation. It was, oh, you know, thank you so much for being gracious.

35:25 Yep. But no, thank you for letting me stay in my delusional worlds, right? Right. Because sometimes you need somebody to break that horrible fourth wall of your own to go through the world for you. Right? And I think society in general needs that fourth wall break. You know? Right. Somebody outside of it. And I think there are certain functions that that are there like, comedians, that I'll never forget.

35:50 I was in a biology lab, and one of the first things that we did is they had this like, spirometer or whatever that measures your, your, your, lung volume was their barometer. So we had one of those and everybody was taking some biometrics on themselves. Right. And there were these two girls that were quite a bit overweight, and they were in their, mid 20s like early, very early 20s.

36:19 Right. And, they're African-American and they were quite volumptious. Yeah. It was Lady Hopps. Yeah. And just to be clinical about it is that they were morbidly obese for sure. Right. And they did the little thing. And, but they took the deepest worth they could and blew into it. And this is, of course, after we did heart rate and blood pressure and, you know, thought, you know, we basically got these measurements on ourselves.

36:51 And then the numbers got shared. Everyone's numbers were shared and their numbers were so fucking terrible. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it screamed off the page. Holy shit. You might need to go to the doctor. Why? And they won't. Capacity is insanely low. All the other numbers just look terrible, terrible, terrible. And, you know, just just by any measure, terrible.

37:22 And so there is no epiphany for that when that happened, like, you did not see any lights go on. It was just for them. They were just doing the assignment. And it was that was that was the numbers, which one could argue might have also been a side effect of, you know, if you if you are more the you were, you know, not getting up front, maybe it's going to affect your ability to fully process what's going on.

37:55 Oh, you got a point there. I didn't really think of that angle, but yeah. Yeah, I think you have a point. But it screams off the page that something's wrong, right. And I'll never forget it. It was such a such a sobering experience for myself because it was like, if those were my numbers, I would be making an appointment.

38:14 My doctor. Yeah. You know, and even now, like, you know, I go to the doctor and like any number of my lab sets off, I want to know what the. Are you watching them? You're like, hey, this number for the hemoglobin, you know, what was that like, CAGR? What does that. Yeah. So I'm on web WebMD and I'm doctor googling myself, you know, which I shouldn't be doing.

38:38 But, you know, I'm doing that to try to understand, run what lifestyle changes I need to make, you know, blah, blah, blah. You can at least become informed of what you ask the doctor question. I'm not sure and say, okay, those are my labs. Yeah, I'm right, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah. And so some doctors will take a laissez faire approach to your labs and just say, yeah, you're okay.

39:01 And so back to the kind of topic at hand, this kind of plays into the idea that we're in a simulation because, you know, that obviously the human mind is willing to be complicit in this. Oh, yeah. And it's a thing just like our large language model are built to fill in the gaps and so is the human mind.

39:22 And so there's this cave over all the gaps, all the inconsistencies. So there's, there's a there's an accepted collective right. That's accepting unhealthy ness as acceptable. That's allowing unhealthy as in general on average to be socially normal. Normalize really is actively socially normalizing. Yeah. That's terrible. That's absolutely terrible. That should be the topic on most people's conversation list, right.

39:49 But it's not it's there's a drag show at some place with a reading to children. Yeah. Which is hilarious. So. So let's. Whoa, I see it. I can see the hilarity in it, but I can also see the, really dumb that being really. I mean, okay, socially, intellectually foolish on the face of it. Sure. But we also have to all work and no play shall make Jack a dull boy.

40:21 We have to, we have to participate a little bit. So a person that has left the church and now has clinging to this group ism ideology, tribalism. Okay, sure. Is now actively pushing in the face of the other people that are in a different ideology. Right. And I think that's something you've got to be careful of because you don't have to you don't have to actively proselytize for the opposite, which is right.

40:45 Right. Why can't we step back and look and see the group and tribalism, the, the, the, the problems, the bad aspects of it and that's the issue. It's like you went from one cult to another. That's the problem. That's what I'm trying to say. But in my social sphere, I could call the Christians the cult, but I can't call the LGBTQ the cult.

41:03 Right. And and that that's where I'm having a problem. LGBT isn't the only cult. It's the no atheists. It's the right. It's everything that requires you to belong to it with a degree of exclusivity. That's right. And then take the the the collection of ideology that that group holds. And once you marry it, you're supposed to say all the rest of it.

41:23 Shit, everyone else is wrong. That's that's the cult mentality. And that's what you have to guard against, right? It's reinforcing and edifying because when the other groups reject your ideas, you come out your group and the group puts their arms around you and says that they just don't know, because each one of these groups ideas has their own flaws, and they're and they're stupid to their own degree because they're cults.

41:43 They exclude ideas. Yeah. And so you're automatically wrong when you're excluding an idea. There you go, there you go. Like a I saw a small cut from I think I saw it on TikTok of Neil deGrasse Tyson talking with, who's that guy? That's the Jew, short Jew who's like, got that terrible voice. Oh, IRA Flatow. No.

42:11 Come on. I'm. I'm Janet about science Friday. No, I'm doing this. I'm doing the other side of doing this old person thing. Getting caught up on the name. Right? He's, he's got, like, one of the top podcasts. He's like, Ben Shapiro, the. Oh, my God. Sorry, guys. Sorry that took so long to get there, that guy says.

42:26 But Ben Shapiro was, like, getting into all the stuff about gender and, you know, and with a physicist with an with there, you know, with a physicist and a scientist, someone that's very eloquent speaking. Oh, yeah. On science, you're a great popularizer of science, for sure. And so, you know, I'm not a Neil deGrasse Tyson fanboy, but, I mean, I'm not either, but I do appreciate as well.

42:46 So you want to know what it's like? I'm not a fanboy of Jordan Peterson. I'm not a fanboy of any of these, real. There's live things about militarization, and I think I don't like. And I can point them out for this no time right now, but, like, just like, you know, there's one there's one person to me that's always been intellectually consistent, incredibly brilliant, intelligent, and that's Ralph Nader.

43:06 Oh, yeah, that's that's true. And I'm I'm a fanboy of Ralph Nader for his unswerving dedication to dispelling myths, skepticism and wrong headedness. It's kind of nice. He has been consistently pointing out the hypocrisy and the flaws and the, you know, the the problems with our government takes a lot of Tesla, which takes a lot of balls to continually be contrarian, but be contrarian with evidence.

43:32 Absolutely. And nobody could touch him in a debate on it. I mean, he's just he's he's correct. He just doesn't have the audience and the platform and he won't be one of our approach. Right? There's a lot of powers that be that pimp him down. I'm talking about the intellectual value of what he's offering. Yeah. You know, I just I agree so much with so much of what he says.

43:50 Like, I overlap with him more than most people I've ever read or, you know. Anyway, back to my point is that Ben Shapiro is in you're talking and he's like, fixated on this whole thing, you know, gender and, you know, there's two sexes and blah, blah, blah. And it's not scientific to say that the gender is a constraint.

44:06 And I'll he's going to and Neil deGrasse Tyson did the perfect thing. He's like, what's what's the point? Like why is why are you why is this matter to you? Like, why are you making this matter? Right. And so he he shredded the argument right down the middle with a katana, right? Yeah. Because he revealed the truth, because he's trying to get attention.

44:32 Because the social issue, he revealed the stupidity, just taking the latest hot take and popularizing it was just saying stuff that his audience and that his brand wants to hear, wants to hear about. And he wanted to have a scientist, a preeminent scientist, to agree exactly to, like, help his brand. Yeah. And so that just cuts through to my mind that like, just totally puts him in the light of what he's really is and what he does.

44:59 And I think that I think that really speaks to, Neil deGrasse Tyson social acumen for sure, to say, look, I'm exposing I'm turning the mirror on you. Yeah. I mean, you just did it so suddenly to he's basically like, you know, why does this why is this matter? Yeah. Like, why are you on this issue? You know, this isn't this isn't really your lane, you know?

45:22 Anyway, it just resonates well with your audience. I think that's something if if at all possible, that's something to say. Ralph Nader is missing the reason. One of the reasons Neil deGrasse Tyson is successful. For one, he's picked an issue that, you know, yeah, there's some detractors. There's some people that don't like where he's headed, but it's not the mass of the population stuck in, inertia.

45:48 Ralph Nader is combating inertia and, combating, industries that are incumbent. And so, hey, there's a problem, but he doesn't also add the social component. He says, my science and my facts should stand on their own. They unfortunately, in this world do not. They must be propped up even further along by the social side. Yeah. Uses too many big words when he speaks.

46:08 He doesn't carry himself a certain way, you know, etc. so, so like from a showman perspective, you have to have it all. You have to have well actually don't the showmanship is the biggest say. The Trump proves that right by far. Right. Unfortunately I mean Obama the whole yes we can you know thing is just just showmanship same same wars, the same fucked up laws that cater for the rich, you know, sorry, I love Obama, I do too, and I remember I remember getting tingles like emotional when he was, oh, you sound I think everyone did.

46:36 Guys. The great orator. Yeah. And the thing is though, he did make some changes that I respect and that are still around too little, too late to fall short on every measure that I when I look at it empirically, but I still want it to be. So it's like that thing when you emotionally look at data, you want it.

46:51 When you're looking for something, you'll see it like seeking you shall find world, right? Yeah. So like when you if you want to, you can cherry pick data in a certain way that's like oh he was great. Not only did he say all this stuff, he was very speaker, but he did all this. You know, the rich kept on the separation of wealth, expanded under him.

47:04 Yeah. All tarp well, I mean did move. We did get one tiny little measure that is helpful, you know, and a step toward universal health care. Step toward it maybe a half step. But we got we got some people coverage. You didn't have it before. Yeah. You know we got we're still not even close to all of our fear.

47:24 It's almost the fucked up idea of banking the unbanked. It's like it helps and harms them at the same time. Well, giving care and people, bringing people into that system who weren't in it before, it also helps and hinders in a great yeah. So tomorrow we'll talk about why we're not actually I'll explain why we're not in a computer simulation.

47:45 Oh yeah. Because we didn't get to do that. But it's definitely we're talking about like SOS because I'm, I think I have a pretty ironclad, kind of explanation to, to showcase why we're not in it. Computers in there. All right, all right, all right. And a sneak a sneak peek. Is that, no. No system that would be capable of being that sophisticated would would produce such fucked up results.

48:07 That's a sneak peek. All right.