IT Moonlighting & Consumer Lives Matter

0:00 You know, more clever titles on Spotify. We're there. Yes. Fake it til you make it. Love it. Yeah. Got my ears lowered. And she did something with the damn beard. Yeah. Wow. Presentable. Yeah. Well, I got to be on camera now, right? Oh. What happened? Celebrity. No. Working on it. Licking away. Oh, you got it.

0:33 Yeah, I've got an OnlyFans now. No. No bugging. Work. They just want us on camera, for team meetings. I see, for the, every other meeting, we can do exactly what we've been doing, which is be disembodied voices. You know, if you record yourself nodding and saying. Like for an hour. Yeah. Like one time.

1:02 And then you play that shit and see how long you can get away with it. Oh that is so awesome. Like you're there in the same space. Like a student in an experiment. I think I need to do, like, four different recordings, maybe with four different bow ties. Yeah. And just rotate them out. Dude, if you can get away with that, like, fully.

1:21 Yeah. Like awesome. Yeah. Be totally cool. You know, especially for, like, the town halls or whatever the hell they call them these days or whatever the corporate buzzword is. Thank God none of us have to be on camera for this. Yeah, because, you know, like, I go for something similar where, you know, you don't really have to participate, but you have to be there.

1:38 Right. Right. And you're. And you're expected to show your face. Just you have the hour long video of you in advance. Record me in in the depths of ennui. Nodding. Yeah. Like you just like looking around a little bit, you know, from time to time. Yep, yep. Maybe a bang in the background. Me? We'll cover. Yeah. Yeah.

1:57 Right. Or just enough. Enough or, you know, nuance and make it sound like, you know, it's at least a couple of minutes. So, like, when those nuances repeat, it's not so obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you fully get it perfectly stitched to where the final when it absolutely loops. You know, it's like, not just like quick snap. Yeah. Yeah.

2:17 Like you do some filter where like, which is the webcam and then you cycles. That's so funny. Two minutes and 30s of you, you know, looking around in your normal thing. That's pretty great. And you just hit play and then go do something. Yeah. You pull something like that off. It's pretty epic. That would be. So I heard the story of this guy who is working as a programmer and, he was, you know, got to working on time and all this kind of stuff.

2:43 And he was, like, made employee of the month multiple times. And he was pretty, pretty known as being a pretty decent programmer. Okay. And, I think he's going to like, well, you know, I forgot how they discovered what he was doing, but all he was doing is taking all the specs for everything that he had to code and sending it over to China.

3:04 So literally, his workday consisted of, here's what I need to do today. Send all those tasks to my doppelganger in China. Yeah. And then put my feet up on the desk for the rest of the day. So he was basically paying a small, much smaller portion of his salary to have all of his work done for him. So have you heard about a gentleman who got caught doing that twice?

3:26 Basically, I had two jobs, like working for each other the same time. But he was farming them out to teams in India. So he was project managing teams to do two jobs. Wow. It's like at one one hand. That's clever, you know? And it's kind of like, admirable, but the other hand, it's like, extremely unethical. Like, especially right when something sensitive.

3:49 And this guy from this story that I heard worked for, like, you know, the work that he was doing is sensitive, you know, like Hitler. And I was going around. Give me one second. I'm going to there's a, there's a whole over there's a website that is all about helping you get a second job covertly. No. Yes.

4:11 Okay, so, like, moonlighting.com. Well, it's it's takes advantage of the whole idea of traditionally called moonlighting. Right. But this is talking about this. A second job at the same time as your first job, And basically, the idea is, hey, we're all working remotely, right? In both room, but at the same time. Oh, shit. That's that's like, great is to, like, trip up.

4:40 Oh, yeah. Like, mix them up, reverse and buy the coffee. I know I would. Just like the sitcom scenario where the guys like dating two girls at the same time. So he's like, got you got one on one side of the restaurant, the other side of the restaurant. And he's like, not going to the bathroom. Goes to the other one.

5:00 No talking about. Yup. Absolutely. And that would be me trying to handle that. So I did run across when I worked at, a managed service provider. Right? This guy that did work for two companies in the same industry and used us for hosting for both of them. Wow. You could basically, if you pulled this off, right?

5:21 Double or even triple did. Yeah. And what this guy did, though, he worked for a pretty niche industry. It was, It was, one of the companies manufactured and sold boats, like, you know, consumer high end, pleasure boats. Okay. And the other company just sold them. But I mean, their infrastructure's probably like, really goddamn similar.

5:51 Yeah. Right. So he took advantage of that. Oh my God, that's so funny. And he was like okay you cannot mention he was telling this all the time. You can not mention this company to this company. Now. So, so like a certain amount of it, you just have to keep under wraps or else you'd be exposed. Yeah. Gotcha.

6:10 Well, you know, there's all kinds of that, that kind of stuff happening with the insider trading and all this kind of bullshit. You know, for the people that are all in the hedge fund and all this kind of crap. You know, that's that's not that's not surprising here in that, in that industry. But like, when you're actually working for a wage like labor, you know, when you're on salary or wage and you have like three jobs simultaneously and all three don't know about each other, that's pretty skilled.

6:33 Yeah. Isn't it. Oh, take a certain degree of skill. It would, it would anyway. I don't think I can handle that. That's a lot like two would be you know, two is cognitively very difficult. And the thing is, he really did have us handling almost everything. We were a managed service provider. Yeah. And we could if you gave us access and set things up properly, we could do your ad for you so we could handle user management.

7:02 We could handle everything. You had a handle on it all. Do you like it? I can imagine, like, do it, do it, do it once. I think I might be able to handle that if it was all virtual and I could, you know, be slick about it. I think I could do for a while. It might be right with it.

7:14 I don't know. I'm doing it. So I looked up the account. Yeah. True, true. But I looked up the. You've got the extra cognitive load, though, of having to be secretive. That's true. That's that's true. Like morality in real life to men. If you're fucking more prick and you go around line everybody, you get to remember all that shit.

7:31 Yeah. Like you said, a cognitive load, you know? Yep. It's. It's difficult to be like a spin doctor and, you know, weave a web of lies. Yeah. To all the people that are in your life. Speaking of which, there's this guy, that passed away last year or maybe a year before at this point. Now, I think it's been within a week, you time know.

7:53 Anyway, he was that guy. Bill, I probably don't want to say his last name, but sure. Yeah. That philosophy, thing. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. He had the overarching philosophy of life and approach. Right, right, right. And, you know, I was always he asked me to be really critical of it. I remember you talking about this.

8:14 Yeah. He wanted me to be really critical of it to, like, so he could improve it. Yeah. Yeah. And, so that's kind of cool, you know? Somebody who's pretty strong in their ideas.

8:27 Would accept criticism. Okay, so he did accept criticism. Yeah. Like he accepted the criticism only because he wanted to, like, practice his defense of the of his positions. Right? Yeah. And but, you know, I'm not a bad debater. And so I was able to not only, like, poke holes at a thing, but then go do, like, a deep dive and say, this cannot absolutely be true for these reasons.

8:53 And that's where he started to get to where he didn't like it so much now. You know, because, you know, when you build a philosophy, one tenant on top of another, if you pull out one, I got it. If you pull out one of the lower tenants, the house of cards comes tumbling down. Absolutely. And, I mean, that's what almost anyone, any amateur armchair philosophers constructions.

9:16 Yeah. You're going to end up with something that doesn't hold water after a little while. Yeah. And like, once you've really committed to something and you've, like, put it put, written it down in ink and, you know, put up a website and put up the whole thing and had t shirts made. It's pretty hard to change some of your core.

9:33 I know what you're thinking. Oh, no, dude. Go ahead. Yeah. So this dude, you know, he inevitably committed suicide. Holy shit. Really? Yeah. So that was, like, pretty much further testament to, like, maybe his. Maybe his theories weren't so great. Wow. Like, philosophy probably wasn't so hot. If he's in that kind of domain. But, his his son did.

9:54 His son committed suicide jam. And his daughter, like, was completely strange. He didn't want anything to do with him. And so, I so who went first? The son. Okay. Yeah. And then when he got older and suffered some medical setbacks, and he wasn't able to live the life he wanted to live. I guess he was limited.

10:15 Yeah. You said that was enough. You know, I have this mixed. We've talked about this before, too. I have this, like, mixed relationship with suicide. Like, you know, I think to certain someone's in this pain, you can't find remedy, you know, by all means, I think it's their right to do what they want. I'm with you on that.

10:34 If you are terminally ill or if you're in chronic pain or whatever. But I'm not. Well, there's certain psychological, you know, situations. Yeah, where a person just can't have any joy anymore. Like. Right. They've gone so far and they have. Right. But what they do, they can't find them. And, you know, maybe I need to expand my definition of what I think is okay for suicide, because it's a highly personal thing.

10:58 Yeah. And like, chronic mental illness could be a chronic illness just like. Yeah. Or something else. Absolutely. You know, especially when someone's like in therapy three days a week, five days a week. Right. And just can't sort that shit out. And Jesus doesn't do anything here or whatever. Well, of course not. Yeah. The bag, the bag of dope or Jesus just doesn't do it right.

11:16 What's your. I mean, it can't just do a week. Exactly. We can't go past the fact that really, those are people's two main remedies. Yeah. And so many people are using those remedies. Makes you wonder, like, isn't it time to look at the core, you know. Right, right. I mean, you know, they're considered by their, by their, by their adherence.

11:44 Yeah. They're considered, you know, to be panaceas. That just should take care of it all. Wipe it all the way. Yeah, I've used the metaphor a whole bunch of times. Like when fires are breaking out all over the place. Like maybe it's time to start looking at arguments. Inevitably. Right? Right, right. Like, you know, of course, we need to expand the fire department and make sure that we put all the fires out and save as many children as possible.

12:08 Yeah, but at the same time, you know, fire after fire, fire, fire breaking out and statistically is way out of normal. It may be time to start saying, hey, you gotta look into what's going on here, right, right. And the fact is in both of those situations, fires or people. Feeling hollow because of their philosophy, the one that they performed on to, we can come up with a general, culprit here.

12:41 Yeah. Right. Right. And so, like, the basic, you know, fundamental American lifestyle is just hollow. Consumerism and individualism has left us just all in despair to some extent. Which, personally, is why I think over employed com came about. They they retired to that. But really I feel like it if he was wearing a hat. Thank you kind sir.

13:06 Thank you. But over employed.com is really about okay. We're in this extractive model. We're in this. It's kill you drain you of all things, You know situation. So why not turn the tables on them and, you know, capitalistic responsibility. Yeah. In in labor as a function. And that's what this site argues. It has, it has the high ground on the argue.

13:33 It says work to remote. The title is work to promote jobs, reach financial freedom. There you go. Yeah, totally. Like within the idea of capitalism, labor is supposed to try its best to get as much money for for your labor as possible. Yeah, that's your job under capitalism. And so like even organize them like union and all that kind of stuff would be your, your function.

13:54 Like your responsibility being on that side of the labor coin, the production coin. Right under capitalism. Is that your duty to make sure you maximize your income? You're right. If that means change, you know where you live, increase your education, whatever it is. And these were traditionally all levers that you could pull. But location location strategy doesn't matter so much anymore.

14:16 Yes, yes. Yeah. Like in the past you'd migrate to where the work is, you know. Yeah. And you uproot your family and all this kind of. Right, right. And you send your kids to new schools and they hate you for a while and all that. Hey, fresh. Hey. Hey, you. Blood. Yeah, there's in there, like, in the in the cafeteria.

14:35 Like, you know, staring at you menacingly holding, holding the metal utensil. We're going to beat you in jump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a jump. You almost forget you want to be a Santa Monica cougar. Yeah. You want to take a few scratches? A Santa Cruz slug? Yeah. Well, this is California. You know. You got to be the Sacramento plumber.

15:00 Yeah. And I'm going with all derivatives of, like, wild cats, right? Right. Yeah, yeah. If you want this, if you want to be a San Francisco, if you want to be a, bobcat, let's see, a Carlsbad. What was I going to say? Damn, I totally forgot it was, man. Let's go back to this website a little more.

15:25 So basically the premises. Go ahead. Since everything's virtual remote, just go ahead and double dip. Yeah. If you can double bounce, they will help you do it. This website really does help you do it. It's not just some guy ranting about how he's being used as a service. He does it like train you how to manage it.

15:42 Does it help you like it? But it it trains you for free. Okay. Does it have tools built into it? It does not currently, but it could use some. The guy appears to be a developer when you read it, and he heard the story about some of the developer double dipping, he got really jealous. Well, this guy has this website which is a job and he monetizes.

16:05 Yeah. Then he claims to have two others. Well, he has to do it. He's done the presence of right. So but some people on this, on this forum claim to have 3 or 4 cheeses and that it does like gets to some extent to where it's like I think quickly you can get in some, some into some terms that's unethical because, you know, you can be doing things like, intentionally overestimating over inflating.

16:37 Just so you can accommodate. So you can accommodate. Yeah. The for different. Right. Right. And I mean I'll just say with my job in the randomness of scheduling meetings and such is that there's no way I can do two. Yeah. So I maybe I'm wrong about that as well. Like maybe that's also just a function of your responsibility for labor capitalism.

16:56 If you can work 25 jobs at one time and get away with it, maybe that's, you know, because there's a there's a bit of deception like implied and built into the capitalistic model. There is, I mean, like, look at marketing for one. We're all when we are working for the corporate world, we're, we're shilling for ourselves. We're selling ourselves anyway.

17:19 Yeah. It's, funny, you can actually make that case that there's a certain amount of deception and unethical behavior. That's what gets not only appropriate, but your responsibility. Right. Okay. And so sorry. For example, if you're if you're going into, like a job interview or a job situation and you have some kind of chronic illness, right, you certainly don't want to unveil that.

17:41 Yeah. You're not, which is a major part of your life. You know, the chronic illness is like you're not going to be like, yo, I have Crohn's disease, and I'm usually out twice a month. Yeah. And during the day I'm in the bathroom for three hours. Yeah. So, you know, you're putting on a front that's different from the reality, you know.

17:57 Yeah, I can handle, you know. Yeah. It's just like, just like dating or anything else you're putting on, like your best face on unquote. But there's a bit of deception, you know, certain things. I mean, even in crappy jobs, I had to lie somewhat like, okay, whenever I didn't have a car and had those crappy jobs, they would always ask, do you have a car?

18:14 Right? And I said, yes. And I would say, I have transportation. I transportation by two feet or but I didn't say my transportation at your feet, but I would stop it. I have transportation to go. Yeah. So and then, you know, when you first go on a date with somebody, it's not like the first thing you say is what your body count is, right?

18:31 Right. And that's a crazy thing I had never heard it called body count until about eight months ago. Yeah. See, I'm I'm up on all the current terms. Yes, yes, I can hook you up. There we go. Well, thank you for, you know, validating the, What is it? Modern day parlance.

18:53 It just means you have a child. That that object that. Yeah. Doesn't mean I'm sophisticated. This means that I'm vicariously observing from some form of, like, modern hip parlance, as you say it to my children, living through my children has always. And yes, I carry a flag, but we're yet to have a guest on this, podcast. I want to have somebody who has two jobs on the podcast.

19:20 Let's give them a third. Yeah, a third one. Yeah, yeah, that's only if we inevitably monetize. But, a lot of the articles are how not to get caught or how people get caught. And a lot of them are things like how to minimize your chances of getting caught, how the internet has made the world small, and you can leverage, you know, commonalities between the companies.

19:44 Sure. And things about jealously guarding your metadata. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, thereby leaving less of a trail, jealously guarding your metadata. It doesn't work. No, it doesn't say that. It says don't reveal your metadata. That can lead back to you. Oh, oh, so zealously hide your. Yes. Okay, there we go. I guess it actually.

20:10 So, like, at all costs, don't don't let people kind of meta meta track you. Yeah. Gossip and so, so like don't put on LinkedIn what companies currently work right. And, the fact that there's articles on, avoid being caught with passive or being caught with active avoidance, passive and active avoidance. Yeah. I mean, yeah, definitely the baseline to this whole thing is just as well.

20:40 Yeah. You know, creating a fake profile for yourself before entering a particular field, quote unquote.

20:50 Pleasant meeting. That's an interesting topic to talk about. Is like, you know, necessary deception. Like, there's obviously, you can view being deceptive and being being able to get away with being deceptive, like a component of intelligence, emotional intelligence.

21:09 I mean, yeah, yeah. Well, they I guess they cover the Earth, on purpose of getting good score. Yeah. It's like they're like that being company. Yeah. Sherwin Williams yeah. That's it. We've been sponsored today, guys. Yeah. I used to work at Durham which was an arm of Sherwin Williams. We just want to give a shout out today to our sponsor.

21:30 Yeah exactly. Yeah. Ain't doing it. You know I mean it really depends on how much money they pass. I'm just saying. Yeah that like, we can't we can't take any stuff like that. So we don't know what. Like if we ever do get a demographic, what that demographic is going to be right? Yeah. We could never get started because we thought that up from shit like that.

21:54 And then, you know, we haven't even established that that's something we're going for. Yeah. Do we want a million listeners? No. And I don't really care about this. It a million people want to hear the phone. No, dude. No. First of all, I couldn't imagine, you know, second of all, if it did happen that that put some pressure that I'm not sure I'm ready for.

22:13 It put a lot of pressure and really like thinking about what I'm saying. And really what I wonder is what to maintain a million listeners like, what kind of engagement platforms do you have to have, and what kind of engagement do we personally have to have with them in three?

22:32 How much money does that bring? You know. Yeah. So, you know and then once it's 1 million them what do you shoot for. 10 million. But if 1 million is a high rate of monetization and we're both happy with the cash, well, the thing about that makes our thing the brand or whatever we call it, our stick genre or whatever, like fluid, is that the way we the way we interact, like we talk fucking forever.

22:59 We do talk. Yeah, right. Over time, we've always gotten together for all these years. Like it's like, hey, we're drinking, let's drink until the sun comes up and talk. Yeah. And for some reason, like, it just doesn't ever stop. Yeah. Like there's no exhausting of the topics. There's no exhausting, like, you know, you just, like, play like I spy.

23:19 Yeah. For five days. Yeah. Let's like, I spy this, you know, like, why do we have telephone poles? Because of the green. The race of green giants that once tread upon the earth. Then you go. There you go. And mountains are just ancient trees that were cut down right?

23:42 I love all that. Oh, my gosh, conspiracy theories of oh, they're great. Like, yes, to some extent are creative and at the same time like they're sad. But but I as a kid I always enjoyed the I don't know what other term to put to it than this. The cognitive dissonance of maintaining what I know is probably correct versus what is a little crackpot.

24:09 Yeah. And looking at the two, I would even write papers just for myself on conspiracy theory. Cool, man. That's pretty creative. I guess it's better than taking two toys that look like warriors and smashing them together. Yeah, I just was never into that. Yeah, there's some degree of, like, I don't know, I don't even know what it's called.

24:32 But yeah, I'd wake up in the middle of the night and listen to conspiracy theories on the radio and then write papers on a that go nowhere. Yeah. So do you have them still? No. What a treasure trove that would. That would have been cool. 12 1314 year old me scribblings about, supporting a conspiracy theory that I didn't support.

24:55 That's scary. Oh, I got a battery low indicator. Oh, shit. I think my podcast.

25:05 Is working well. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully I don't have any gaps. Do you want me to hold it? Because, like, you're, like, slightly louder than me. So I've found that if I'm holding it, it's like a little bit of a natural balance. Yeah, well hopefully we got something, but if I see red light, we're good. If we didn't. No, no, no.

25:24 We're good. I have faith. So, Yeah, I was saying, like these conspiracy theories, it's like it's natural when you have this, like, major event that otherwise really has no explanation in floods, the conspiracy theories, because the mind can't. Which I've understood it, is that the mind can't comprehend the magnitude of the situation. Like the twin towers coming down like they did.

25:46 Right, right. And so we don't want to believe that that could have just happened from, you know, being hit by a plane. They would have planned for that. You know they would have you know the mind starts grasping at straws. You know, there's no way that could happen. You know, we have this air traffic control and quick response force and all these things.

26:00 It's impossible. That couldn't happen. Well, especially after the first one hit, you know, they never would have let the second one, just like in the same idea. And there's certain things that culturally blind you like. I was watching that mini series Chernobyl last night, a couple of years late, you know? Never. You heard it. Okay, well, it came out and, HBO Max owns it, and ultimately, it's a it's a people and cultural centric view of how the hell Chernobyl happened.

26:31 Oh, okay. Gotcha. And, we've had it even happened to begin with. Yeah, because, like you said, Twin towers, crazy catastrophe. Well, they're Chernobyl crazy. Yeah. And so their take on the basic take on it in the first episode is this went down because, blind faith in Soviet socialism and, Pretty much like you said, this, just general disbelief that our systems could fail.

27:01 Our best laid plans could have cracks and. Yeah. And so, you know, these towers coming down and then all these questions are flooding into the mind. But there's no it's American exceptionalism. And it's the same thing with our plans. Couldn't fail. Well you spend that kind of kind of price on the military. You'd expect a pretty good safety net.

27:21 Yeah. True. Yeah. You spend that kind of cash on something, you know, you kind of expect some kind of decent. So some kind of return on your intelligence apparatus, right? Yeah. And then the government steps on this deck and comes out with all this other bullshit that like, so unbelievable, like, there's no way it's either a flat lie or a miracle happened for that.

27:41 You know, thing. And any other government would have done the same thing. Perhaps it's like they're talking about how they found the ID cards of the hijackers in the debris. It's like, no, no, you did. Yeah, yeah, that's that. So for me, when I when that hit me, it's almost like it's almost like, but it made people feel better.

27:57 So we made the lie. Yeah, but it's almost like a counter psyop because it's it's like a sign up on a psyop. Because. Okay, so first of all, the dumb people are going to say, oh, I see. Yeah. Right, right. And then you're going to catch, what, the bottom third of America. Yeah. And then the smart people are going to say, wait a minute.

28:17 Yeah. And then what you've just done is you've, you've, you've lullaby the masses. Right, right. And then secondarily you've like gotten the, the intellectual elite to start looking at conspiracy theories and other misinformation. Right. Coding their thought patterns. More than likely, you cut the edges off the bell curve with your first attempt of we found the idea.

28:40 Well, I think what you've done is you've taken the middle. You just got the middle, okay. Or at least the bottom, you know, 2/5. All right. So we got the so we know we got the bottom and we got the bulk majority because in the bulk majorities the average is in the middle. All right. People of average intelligence are going to believe that.

28:56 So we got we got the ramp up to the curve. Yeah. Yeah. So we got the ramp up to the curve when. Well the bottom you know let's say second standard deviation on the bottom and and beyond. It's not in the game. Right. Right. And so then the bulk in the middle, the 67% or whatever is in the middle you've got the the lie.

29:14 So you've pacified 67% roughly. And now you're pretty much your golden. Yeah. They're you're already in good shape because then you've got a vocal minority that is going to look a little insane at this point. Right. And then you have that kind of like above average tier, you know, kind of, you know, maybe, one senior deviation from the center right on the right hand side, right.

29:38 That are going to like be searching for the truth, like they may land upon conspiracy theories, like you said. Right. Which have more than likely been seeded by your, government of choice here. Exactly. So they've been baited right. And then what's left on the on the far right, intelligent fringe. Yeah, but what's the left on the far right?

29:59 Why? They say the sidewalks. Oh, yeah. I love our circular conversation, you know, and, the farmer, you know, very intelligent people are just going to be like, you know, above the fray. Yeah. You know, and, and I and I was the, you know, one, like, looking for the truth online, you know, like, of all the places to try to the church.

30:18 Yeah. Do you know, I've came to the conclusion and all that, like, I, I believe I know the answer to how the towers actually did fall. Okay. Never sure that we know. So it's really interesting. I was like, looking into the chemistry. She goes like, yeah, let's go this way. We will. I don't think we were minutes waiting for I don't recognize this, I don't either.

30:38 So I never had the yeah. It's like no school bus going right. Great. So I started doing some of the chemistry and trying to understand like some of the, reactions. Excuse me, some of the reactions that might be taking place in that, in that kind of cataclysmic event. Right. First of all, the idea that, if we start breathing heavy, it's because we're going up, like the steepest hill in Charlotte.

31:04 Yeah. This is like a 60 degree. And there's this is like one of those no winter maintenance parts of the road. Right? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. It's like nobody's getting out of here. Yeah. This just the sweater is coming off. If we ever get snow to this fucking road right here and then. Okay, we're past it.

31:22 Yeah. Now, once we catch our breath, who do you smell the wood from that construction? Yeah, dude, it's like, such a strong smell. It's off gassing. It's, volatile organic organic compounds. The VOC, you know. Sorry. There was a bunch of jokes that popped in my mouth. I'm trying to stay focused. There, so that's like, you know, like a fart.

31:44 Yeah. Anyway, the systems really need for a bong. Keep it from having to use the wrap. Oh, it's. You have to use that Tyvek stuff or whatever. Right. Gotcha. So, Sure. So this idea, there's so there's chemistry. Okay. What's happening? First of all, and this is like way, way, way down the road, right? Oh, like, I got into conspiracy theory is pretty heavy about 911 for a while.

32:12 Jesus. Not that I was believing them like I was trying to study like I was trying to know the truth, because to me, it had a specific significance. You know, I actually joined the military after 911, okay. And went overseas because of this, you know, and, because I was so distraught by 911 when it first happened. Not that, you know, how dare someone attack our country type mentality.

32:36 Just we got to do something about this crazy world, right? You know? And I just had the fidgets. I couldn't sit still, and I couldn't think of what to do. So I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring. Yeah. So, like, my fucking brilliant idea. Yeah, yeah. So. So I went into the whole thing. Oh, sorry. I don't know, on ramps, but maybe it's important to know, I went into the whole thing with this.

32:56 This misconception that when I'm in the military, I'll get to see the inside. Right, right, right. I'll be an insider. I'll be privy to what's happening and what's going on. Yeah. And I'll be able to better understand the world, because I'll understand better the geopolitical. Hey, like it makes sense when you aren't familiar with the military, but then when you become familiar with the military, you realize it's just another layer of bullshit.

33:19 Yes, absolutely. That and you're so mission focused. And when you have a low rank, you're not privy to all the top stuff anyway. No. And you're so mission focused. The details of the mission become the thought consumption really assumes your thoughts. And so you're not you're not thinking often about the geopolitical situation because you can't. Right. You have to focus and you have to be there and conscious.

33:40 And and if you want to live right, you have to be paying fucking attention. Right? Yep. And so then your brain gets in the micro of the mission and you yeah, you're you'll forget, but you don't have time to deal with the macro that you're mired in the minutia. There you go. Yes, that's what I'm saying. So anyway, so after I got out of the military, I got a little bit obsessed.

34:02 Yeah, well, just use the right words. I got obsessed with, like, trying to rationalize what happened on 911. Right, right. And so then I saw that loose change video and all these other things that, wow, they're like connecting dots that make sense, you know? Holy shit. Maybe this. I didn't watch any of this shit. I just opted out.

34:20 Yeah. So because I didn't figure a man of my station and intellect could fathom the what actually happened. You know, this is the beauty of being positively pedestrian is that you have a sense of at least knowledge of, you know, where you stand. And so that'll help you avoid mistakes, right? By not overspending yourself. Yeah. I mean, for the most part, I was still in that mode where I was trying to survive.

34:44 You'd come out of the military, you had a stipend for living and for school. Yeah. And I'm going to school 28 credit hours. Yeah. Which is insane. Making sure that I'm like, really, really heavily into my education to kind of retrain my brain. Right. At least had some meta understanding for that, reintegrate yourself into society. But in my spare time, I was playing video games or looking at stuff about 911.

35:08 Right? So, Hey, what's happened here? Hey, I don't know. So pretty heavy. Construction or homeless take over. So, anyway, I was spending a lot of spare time looking into ideas about Natalie. But anyway, I get to the fucking point. Well, this carried over the years. It waned. It dwindled off. Right? It started to go away.

35:31 But I kept looking at it from time to time. Right. And so I don't spend any time on it now because I'm very satisfied with what I feel is the escalation. And that is when the when the planes hit the building, all the aluminum, that is the plane is made of basically atomized. Right. So like I came to this because, I saw a videos like MythBusters or something.

35:54 I don't know where they I think it was MythBusters, but they took a rocket sled, all right, and slammed it at, like, a thousand miles an hour into a brick wall. Okay. Right. Oh, yeah. Excuse me. And it was an automobile made of steel and aluminum and plastic and fiberglass and everything else. Right. And they played it in super slow motion.

36:15 Something close to constituent materials that a modern day plane would be made out of. Sure. And when they when they slammed it into the, brick wall, reinforced brick wall at a ridiculous speed, like rocket propelled speed. Yeah, man, they showed it in super slow motion. And it doesn't like crumple. So it didn't like the metal, didn't like, crinkle and then crush dramatically and then fly off at some angle.

36:39 Right. It hit with such force that it actually particularized all the material. Okay. Like basically turned it into a into the pond Adam sized myth. Yeah, that's a good way to say it, right? It turned it into a series of microparticles because it hit with such force. It didn't the material didn't have the energy to stay together. Okay.

37:01 And so so it disintegrated. It literally disintegrated. That's perfect work. That's what we're right there. Exactly. Perfect. Thank you. And then my mind was like being, oh, wait a minute. That's what happened with the planes. They disintegrated when they hit the you know, a majority of it disintegrate. I hit that when I hit the buildings. The the bonds that created aluminum were broken and the constituent atoms blanketed the area.

37:26 Yeah. So now you have all of the tons of aluminum that's in that thing now inside the building. Okay. So you have multiple multiple I did the math on it. And metal dust is flammable. I mean, well, that's the thing interesting thing about aluminum is when you combine aluminum with water and, in high heat. And at this point, it's water vapor is all we need.

37:49 Yeah. Which we have. When that hits the exposed steel, it creates thermite. Because we're talking we've got we've got oxidation. Exactly. And so that, that oxidation is thermite. Yes. Right. Aluminum aluminum oxide. Right. Aluminum oxide combined with water combined with the exposed steel. Right. Create that oxidation reduction reaction which then melted the steel. You see. Oh.

38:17 And then that's why in the video you see like molten metal dripping out of the side of the building, but like, not long, you know, because it was hit by a multi ton thermite bomb. Yes. Holy fuck. And so yes, the diesel fuel, you know, kerosene, whatever you want to call it, kind of level, what they call jet fuel, you know, burning inside that building.

38:38 Absolutely indeed was not enough to take the building down because the steel can resist that level heat. Sure. Right. Not the thermite, not the reaction with the aluminum. I mean, there's there's a reason we, use thermite for bunker busting and all sorts of other things that shape. Yeah, go through almost anything. Yeah. You use thermite to weld railroad ties together, you know, shit like that, right?

38:57 Because it melts steel. And so there you have. I want to use the pile of thermite to burn through someone's engine block. Homemade thermite for the wind. Raw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a story. Now tell it later. And so then the building falling after lighted with the magnesium ribbon. Oh, there you go. That's exciting. So, I think people, over time, we need the idea that with fucking terrorism, maybe we are.

39:21 Oh, my God. Yeah. I think we're just really curious. This is another. That's a better word than terrorist. Yeah, I'd rather have that label a very curious thing than domestic terror. And I'll be honest, I've wondered the same about myself. Am I committing terrorism? So, yeah. Yeah. What's wrong with my brain or what's right with it? And usually I'm on the camp.

39:43 What's wrong guys? What's wrong? Well, it's wrong, you know? That's that's how we reflect. That's how we grow. So, so, so, you know, put all this together now and then, you weaken a few flaws of these steel, basically turn it into butter. You know, you're turning the steel into molten steel, fucking right it over a few floors.

40:01 And now the full weight of the third of the building, whatever is above it, by gosh, is enough to then crush. Oh, and the reason that you get this splendor is, you know, incredible, you know, polarization of concrete. Yeah. And like the ejection of 30ft beams, you know, steel beams and shit is because the force equals mass times acceleration.

40:24 We know the acceleration. I mean, ultimately, and the mass is fucking incredible, right? Seems too simple. But ultimately you would have to come down to simple chemistry and physics as to what happened. Right. And so the government, as far as I know to this day, never has come out with that on that explanation. And that's a fucking crying shame, because what they've done is they've just let it stay in the, in the ether.

40:44 But the idea is they're easier than trying to explain to average American. This probably it's way easier, but it's disingenuous because you have this like 9/11 Commission report. If you explain it this easily, don't you miss the opportunity to subjugate, control and redirect all that? Yeah, that's that's that's cosmic. Like. Yeah. But that's exactly like the problem, dude.

41:09 That's what I'm saying.

41:16 Yeah. So that's exactly what I'm saying. I stand for it across the road looking toward hamster. Okay. You move pretty well for, Okay. There you go. I got a shot from a fat ass. No, I'm not going to put any labels on chubby. Yeah, right. So, so, yeah. So, you know. No. So I'm a fast slug.

41:42 Yeah. Yes. You can take anything like that. And in a psyops kind of mode, like, you know, do it, do it, do the calculus or do like an analysis on what, you know, gives you more control and power and influence over people and, and what allows you to do that? Fuck that. Do the right thing. I'm with you.

41:59 But they needed people to help them retaliate. And so like, that's what I'm talking about. I didn't want to just be another one of those dumbasses that signed up waving the flag, you know? Right. And so I'm bitter about it to this day. And there was no weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is just an excuse to go open that market.

42:17 Fucking so so so I come to a conclusion that most people who decry the whole search for WMD is having. Usually they say bullshit the government want to control, but they don't talk about. They really wanted. We talk about oligarchs controlling Russia. Well, oligarchs controlling Russia might be a little bit more fair than corporations then. And faceless, controlling America.

42:44 Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yeah. Happened. Exactly. And the idea that the idea that America is the good guys is so I'm so past that is not even funny. But but that's my case. But the end game ultimately is open up the markets for those who run the country. Yeah. There you go. So so we talk all this bullshit about China.

43:05 Look at the propaganda they're bestowing upon their people and all this kind of stuff. Right. And like, oh, you know, but one thing you got to call pony, it is. But look what we're doing here, right? One thing you got to give the Chinese, though, they continually are online, they're continually they want to be protesting in meatspace, but they're usually using whatever channels are available.

43:25 Them to say this isn't right a lot of times. And then the government shuts down that channel for a while, or bans talking about this thing because they keep talking about things that aren't right. Yeah. And we've talked about this many times too, is that you control the narrative by controlling the topics like, right. You let people say whatever they want about the topics.

43:45 But then and, and you call that freedom of speech and freedom of thought, but you've already steered them to that topic right and right. And so but sometimes China doesn't get it right is what I'm saying sometimes. Oh, I was talking about the US. Oh okay. You know, the Associated Press has you turn in every news station has generally the same topics.

44:03 Right, right. So why. Well because there's a there's a concerted control over the at least the topic selection. Right. And then once you've gotten the topics kind of mostly corralled, you've now you control the narrative. Let people say whatever the fuck they want on Twitter, blah, blah, blah. But they're talking about the shit that you've led them to talk about, right?

44:21 And they're not talking about the separation of, you know, the the wealth gap in America. They're not talking about the health care for the for the for the people that really need it. They're suffering. You know, you're not talking about issues. You talk about it. It's a footnote for if they do talk about it, it's an article, but they're not talking about the amount that it needs.

44:38 It's just to invoke change. Yeah. It's not a sustained campaign. You know, you get people waving to black lives Matter flag or whatever. They know that last that of damn wild. Yeah. But what I'm saying is you get the people in this certain level out there in the street protesting, not not protesting. You know, we need to take we need to take care of our people that are diabetic.

45:00 And I'll just be honest, you know, we're we're a whole lunch. And this is a really important point to me, okay? It's like if you think Black Lives Matter, health care and treatment for diabetes is the number one thing you should be talking about. Yes. Not like what a cop to look at the statistics on what cops have done to black people, right?

45:17 Oh, they're pretty nasty. No they're not actually, when you look at the fucking body count, it's like nothing I'm talking about. I mean, body count. The way we talk about body talking about, you know, I'm not talking about killing people. I'm talking about how sometimes there are terror in communities. You know, whenever we look at sticks, we only have the final state, which is, okay, something worth recording a death or an an outright abuse that got reported.

45:42 I totally agree with you 100%, but I still am and committed to saying the scale and the magnitude is like is not even on the same fucking scale. So like the amount of suffering that's happening due to lack of health care. And I agree with you, obesity related diseases makes what anything that happened with police brutality and antagonistic, you know, behaviors.

46:02 There's a whole there's a whole raft load of things that come with BLM. And that should be one of those things like top ten. I don't think it is. Right. So. So if you were to write down, like looking at that particular demographic, even though I don't like to do that, because I think that's a patchwork idea of race, you know, like that's a whole, you know, we've had that conversation to some extent, but not too deeply.

46:22 But, you know, this constant, continuous, perpetual, hey, good morning. Right. So let me, let me zero zero check it out. Where I'm going here is that if you look at that, you know, you say people with X amount of melanin, right. Calling them a cultural group or something. Right. And you call that the blacks, you know, for lack of a better term and or African-Americans or whatever, insert pejorative here, right.

46:46 And you take that and you make an ordinal list of what is affecting that quote unquote community or that micro culture, that subculture. Right. The most police brutality and killings is, oh, like, got to be like, hardly even on the list. But again, it's easy to energize people for and you might be able to get these other things.

47:06 Okay. Right. Okay. Right now, now we're getting somewhere. That's what I'm talking about. But it's you know, it isn't a known problem. That's the thing. That's not a non problem. Right? Okay. You know what else is a major problem. Fucking young 1513 year old boys shooting each other. Yeah. Because over a fucking street turf you know. Yeah. Look at how much weed money go.

47:30 I thought it was a skunk. Maybe it's skunk weed. Yeah, maybe it is not. It's not like it's going to be the first thing I thought of. All right. So, you know, track it down. So, so so what violence is bestows what magnitude of violence is bestowed from gang activity on blacks compared to police activity. What's the scale difference here.

47:51 You know, we would have to really look. But from intuition, at least from our standpoint would probably say it's bigger. The gang. Right. Yeah. Five fucking magnitudes right. Different. So but again that's probably something that's not reported in in statistics. You don't even need it to be recording statistics. You just see it like you can like just take your time.

48:16 Let's go through a couple neighborhoods together and look it's fucking obvious what's happening, what's going on. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, look okay. Want to know look at the amount of look at the amount of shootings that are happening that are gang related. Yeah. Right. I mean, when you compare that to police, like the drive by, they took my car out.

48:33 I guess. Yeah. Well, the one guy that died at the park down the road from your. From your place. Well, yeah, in the same drive. Driver. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. There you go. And then I can show you the, activity reports and death reports of people all around my neighborhood, too. Yeah, right. And so that doesn't even come close to the number of people getting killed at the hands of police.

48:56 Right? But then again, it's not even a movie. Awesome. You know, it's like 1 to 1000, 1 to 10,000. We're talking about covering things up. Probably some cover up there to see who died. Oh, so you're saying a lot of the gangland murders are just cops taking people out? Not saying a lot of them. I don't believe that for a second, but I certainly believe some of them have been pinned on people.

49:16 I don't trust it. Yeah. I have never trust, I don't I don't trust them. Never will. I don't trust them either. But that kind of stuff is just too much. That's like to where? No, it's not how it is. Because what's happening is somebody was in the wrong neighborhood stepping on someone else's fucking turf. Right? Words were said and the guns came out and fucking, you know.

49:36 Yeah. 50 witnesses say what just happened? If it was a cop, you know, murdering somebody. Yeah. You know, but what you're saying indeed happens. Of course it does. Of course it does. But at what frequency? Right. It's probably not high frequency, but, you know, take a couple off the top every every city or every state, right. So if we if we decouple black lives, we decouple that to American lives.

50:02 Right. What's really attacking us? What's really right. Right, right. And eroding the underpinnings of what could be a fairly healthy society? Exactly. What's really taking people out? The obesity epidemic by far, by far, I mean, people like magnitudes more people die in car wrecks every year and like, get taken out by police. Wouldn't this be funny if, like, for some reason we went viral?

50:32 Got some, you got some people to listen. And then this is one of the things that contributed to our cancer cancel culture. We stopped. So that'd be hilarious. Please, guys, if we get famous. What? This be it, let this be the lights, man. I'm on it. What's this? People cancel this. Yeah, because really, ultimately, what we're trying to do is take a niche conversation, generalize and elevate and say, look what affects everybody and the and disproportionately low income Americans that poverty, you know, are in the grip of poverty, relational poverty like not poverty by global standards, with poverty by relational families.

51:11 Yes, yes. In relation to the upper crust of the US, they are extremely in poverty, right? I mean that that means unite to it. Yeah, it does scale. I mean, I'm, I'm lower middle class at best. It's just that's just a term. Think of the actual dollar value that you make per year and put it on how far my money goes.

51:31 Put it on a continuum. Right. Compared to like. So in other words, I'm like 100 represents the richest American and zero represents the poorest American. Right. And take your salary and see where you fit on that timeline. You might as well be at zero. Yeah, yeah. And same with me and same with like everyone we know. Right? I mean, you know, and we're not we're not.

51:52 So ultimately we're not talking from our high horse guys. Absolutely not. We're talking from a space. If we have just an we're we're on high enough of a hill to see what some of the problem is. Yeah. And, and we both live in an area of the city where we hear gunshots from time to time. And I have police helicopters going overhead at least.

52:11 At least, you know, flying every couple of weeks. And over this weekend there was a massive police presence uptown, including my own neighborhood, because there's now an appetite for cleaning things up and that all that. This is cyclical in my neighborhood to to last a week, then it will cut it off for six weeks or four weeks. We'll come back and do it again.

52:35 So George Carlin said the, the, the ultra poor are they're just too scared to share the middle class. Oh shit. But the middle class is a is a is a, a misnomer by far, because there's absolutely no fucking chance in hell that you and I are in the quote unquote middle. Right? Because in the middle, we'd be making several million a day.

52:53 Several million. The traditional middle that existed in the 40s and 50s has been gutted. Absolutely. There's there's the ultra wealthy and everybody else. And it started being perfectly clear. Yeah. Yeah, it's it really, truly is, this, the the wealth distribution is like an El, you know. Right. But see how the terminology shapes the idea in the mind.

53:14 So like the terminology middle class. Right. Just like the terminology of job creator. Right. Or or angel investor, which I mean, really, it's so funny. Those are, What are they what would you call those when the word carries connotations of one thing? But really it means this completely different thing. Yeah. Like the Patriot Act, right? Yeah.

53:39 We can think of millions of examples, right? Yeah, yeah. Like venture capitalist, you know, when vulture capitalism is way better fitting, right? Instead of angel investor, we're talking, you know, evil, you know, whatever. Yeah. I mean, money grubbing, greedy, fucking, money grubbing, middle level asshole who has too much money that shouldn't have it, right? Like, if, you know, in a just world, a lot of the people that have money shouldn't have it.

54:06 Correct. You know? But, I'm not about to Robin Hood anything. Yeah, well, it just wouldn't work. Wouldn't work if it worked, I would do it. Yeah. And it's too much of a great, great line. Like I don't have a problem with a great line. No, I mean, like, how do you actually make the determination of who's ethically right, you know, and I would be fully aware of the fact that I'm arbitrarily choosing basically no matter what criteria I put around it.

54:27 Yeah. And then we're like self self righteous. Yeah. We're self-aggrandizing, self-righteous assholes who were taking resources from one person and arbitrarily giving it to another. And then if that's my on line mentality, we deserve to be poor. You put it within our same paradigm. Good point, good point. Yeah. So back to this whole BLM and you know, this idea.

54:46 So people organizing around this, this topic that was the media, just the media produced. They fomented it. They oh my God. Because it's great. It gets viewers right. And now watch this ad and and we know the game and but actually two there, there were elements of the community. There were passionate about it, including some of our favorite, you know, city council people.

55:15 Of course, it's Braxton Winston. So of course it's a, it's a it's a topic that people can emotionally rally behind. And it's and and it gets votes. Well. And Braxton Winston didn't have the intentions of political aim. The guy was, out of work. You know, anthropologists which I think those two are synonymous with each other. Our political, say, quality.

55:41 Yes. Song. There's something happening here. Yeah, that's not right. Right. He says in that he says in that song. Right. He says, they're singing songs and they're carrying signs, but mostly are just saying hooray for our side. And that's exactly what it is. It's just people just saying, championing something. They just want to wave the flag.

56:01 They want to have be on that team. Right. Because that's natural. That's human. To be part of a group, be a part of a collective that's just a building that says it's called the collective. Wow. If we planned that, it would be, say, Berkeley Genius. And, yeah, you know, that's on camera, right? Should be like $5,000 with a bike hanging there in the wide open.

56:24 Gosh, it's on camera, you know. But anyway, you know, it's it's so much of just that you know, I would argue those are maintained by the, apartment complex to maintain the image that they want. So when people do walk by her in the neighborhood, like, I want to walk community like that, they just buy more bikes every time they get so goddamn.

56:43 You have diabolically clever mind missing your calling? You should be in, like, creative marketing. I thought about it like. Like the, like the fringe. Yet that's like really edge. Oh, God. Like real live campaigns. Yeah. Not like standard. Like, you know, the guy who crazy gluing his head to the steel beam and, you know, is supported by it.

57:01 Not that kind of marketing like the kind that you're talking about, like planting these little seeds in the community to try to make a shape or perception. Oh, yeah. That's that's where you belong. Oh, with your genius day biking. Thank you, thank you. I take that as an ultimate compliment, but it also scares me. It scares me that you take it as a compliment.

57:24 That's all that's outstanding. Yeah. Anyway, back to the site. So if you create an ordinal rank, like someone saying, hey, you know, I have this power of investigative journalism, let's say like, and I have 10 million listeners, right? So I have some amount of, you know, 10 million, you got 330 million people in the United States. You have an audience of 10 million.

57:44 You know, you got to have 3.3 million have 1%. Right? So, yeah, what's close to what, I don't know, whatever small percentage is still a really small percentage. Right. But even at that scale, that's a lot of fucking people. That's a lot of influence. Right? Right. And so enough to consider yourself a quote unquote influencer. Oh, there we go.

58:01 That's another popular term at the time. Yeah. You know you count that one. Well thank you sir. Thank you. I, I appreciate your connection to what's cool. Yeah. And, if it were true. Yeah, I would appreciate it. But anyway, so you have this influence, you have this audience, and you say, oh, people. Look, let's, like, really commit ourselves to making some real change in our country.

58:23 Yeah, let's, like, let's look at the stats, look at all the drug use, look of all the self-abuse people do look at the type of comfort foods people turn towards, the things that are just become ingrained in our culture that are highly destructive and severely erode quality. And ultimately, that's the thrust of this conversation. We were mentioning people who kill themselves.

58:42 We were mentioning people who try to have multiple jobs so as to get out of the rat race, find me. And we were mentioning all of these things, and they're all going in the same direction. Yeah, there is a theme here. Even it was unintended. Yeah. Just like most of our shit, you know, like you can actually draw the thread between most of what we talk about.

59:00 Right? So imagine, you know, you have this like, platform where people are actually listening and you get people behind this idea of like, let's just stop and take a look at where we're at, okay? Right. And then let's do an accurate assessment. State of the Union, whatever. And then corporate buzzword warning, you know, sensitivity warning here.

59:19 Find the low hanging fruit. Yeah. To dramatically improve quality of life and reduce suffering for people in America. So what's our MVP here? Right. MVP is definitely diet lifestyle for for for the that's the elephant in the room no doubt about it. So what's hurting Americans the most is their their diet and exercise. What do you do. You attack that with something like a free version of Noom that uses psychological principles to groom people into making better choices and meeting goals that they've stated?

59:54 Well, I think that the first step is, is to say that a 35 BMI or higher is not okay, like that's an illness, that's a that's a direct illness affecting that person. Yeah. So I wasn't like, so we add some more labels and then we put some action behind the labels. Yeah. Put some action in the community behind the labels.

1:00:12 You know. And yeah it's technology. Some kind of technology layer can be applied to, you know, like make things better. Then by all means, let's do that. But let's be honest with the situation. Well, let's I guess I'm saying if we want to engage people, let's be honest about how people are going to be best engaged. It's their phone, no doubt about that.

1:00:32 And through some form of entertainment. Yep. So Gamifying being better and it's almost like we want to displace consumption right? Right. So like if you can get people to consume healthy things, healthy alternatives to the typical thing they're consuming now, whether that be what they put in their mouth or what they put in their brain, right, right. If you can convert just 1 or 2, you remember, I don't propose to be the final arbiter of what's healthy.

1:00:57 But yeah, me neither. But I think if we get enough people together that are, you know, good intentioned and educated in this area, we can come up with some general idea. But yeah, we we need a steering committee that is maintained on to perpetuity. Big words, I guess. So, yeah. You're so smart. Yeah. I'm just. Let's see. I look at it like this.

1:01:20 You use big words to allow yourself to be lazy because you're basically using bigger Lego blocks to build the idea. I have to say, less. I'm lazy. Yeah. And then for the people that don't can't understand the big words, it's like you then that's like a filter. Filter, right? You just filtered them off because you don't want them anyway.

1:01:41 Yeah. I mean I'm not saying that. Oh, I know, I'm saying it in a different thread. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, if someone wants to listen to my blather. Help. Sure. Hey, might be good. Like when you're in the car or taking a shit, you know, one of those kind of activities, right? Sitting down where you're otherwise don't have an alternative, right?

1:02:04 Where you're an app, more a captive. Yeah. Where you're captive. It's like, that's a good one.

1:02:12 Yeah. Where you're held hostage. That our podcast is perfect for those currently held hostage by a huge shit for structure car driver track. Stuck in their car with traffic and bad cell service. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've accidentally downloaded our podcast locally to their phone, so traffic and low fiber diets are our friends. Okay, we've just nailed down the demographic that's so, so well, we do our target marketing.

1:02:39 That's what we're going to have to. We're target. So like middle aged men that, you know, have an abortion issue and, you know, according to their food Lion, bonus card or whatever, shopping is a lot of meat or those who spend large amounts of time in the bathroom and have Crohn's or IBS. Yeah, right.

1:02:57 You know, if we if we can tap into the hippo data, we'll do that to. And then people with ridiculously long commutes. So he gets a gas bill, right. I'll be him. Yeah. Their fuel bill like it. And then, you know, all of a sudden an ad pops up for positive evolution and boom, you hit that sweet spot.

1:03:13 And I'm like that. These people know me. Yeah, that just that run white joke where they go, oh, so funny. He's talking about like, this. I don't know. Is this, like, copyright? No. Where I was for commentary. So yeah, it's very, very. Yeah. He's like, you know, I'm sitting there eating Cheetos on a beanbag, naked, watching TV.

1:03:34 Oh, God. And and the and the preacher comes on and goes, you know, are you are you not happy with your life? And he's like, yes. Are you naked right now sitting down in the valley of Cheetos? Damn it. He's like, yes, right. There you go. So you want to send me some money? And he goes, oh, I thought he was talking about me.

1:03:55 It's so good. It's so good. We broke off at that point, you know. Damn, I love this car. What is it? Chevelle? Oh, continental. Oh my bad. Coming up on the hill, y'all, right? It's party. Yeah. It's like like 30 of you are great. This is, like, longer than my house is wide. Damn. Probably worth the same amount to.

1:04:21 Yeah, it might be.

1:04:24 Do you know where we're at right now? No. It's very nice. Yeah. Can you, journey back? Because I actually have to get going. Yeah. A lot of private cars around here. It's really nice. Every. You hear the buzz of that, like, Holy crap. Yeah, it's, that's like one that hasn't been converted to LED yet.

1:04:46 Oh, yeah. It is. Incandescent bulb. And it it's like classic. Yeah. It's like, you know, you have to worry about the snow on that one. Okay. You know, there's the thing with the LED stop lights up north is that they don't have the heat signature that they. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. I never thought about that. Yeah. So when it snows and ice is sometimes they have issues with the lights.

1:05:07 Not like automatically melting snow off. Turn right. You won't believe it. You know, you're going down one third place place. Oh. Yep. All right. Oh, I'm taking a big risk trusting your GPS. But last time I got say, I'm going to trust it. Maybe there's been enough updates on my Google platform trip home. My former flagship phone.

1:05:31 We know we're getting close to your place. If we see busses again. Right? My. Yeah, it really must be. My neighborhood is just like the land of busses. I don't know, it's like, you're the density of school age children in your area is like, off the charts. It has to be. So. Yeah. Anyway, I'm getting back to this thing, which is so important to me, and I think it's critical.

1:05:52 Critical topic is to be able to steer the narrative. Imagine the power to steer the narrative in the direction of like, look, this is what we're suffering from, and let's find and these are some counter measures to start changing the ship and keep drilling and drilling and drilling. So because that's where we get what we need, what. What I guess this is kind of crazy, but, why do we think.

1:06:14 Because we veteran a couple of times in all of our different talks, our government not being willing to be honest. Well, I do you think it would take for a governmental agency with clout to embrace what you're saying? Well, so I was saying that the kleptocracy and the, industrial complexes, right, are so, so entrenched in America that there's no real dividing line between where corporations and the government begins their one in the same.

1:06:44 Got it. And so that's locked. That's locked. We've had over 100 years now of this just entrenching. So we just need we don't be sure. You sure know like, yeah, yeah, we're going straight. Okay. We need an NGO. Yeah. The correct group. It has to start at workplace.

1:07:06 They has engagement. It has access to information and understands. Be more understands the culture in which they're operating. Yeah. So I'm saying it has to be grassroots. It has to be grassroots. Has to start from a massive grassroots counterculture. So that's the way. But there again, you know, it's the very thing you described a few minutes ago, which is, people flag waving and just wanted to be part of the team.

1:07:33 We need it. Yeah. We need well, no, I was saying, okay, I'm saying people are doing that because within our nature, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. And so a lot of people that are in the crowd waving the flag, it's just because that's a natural thing for us to do, to be part of it. Do you part of something happening.

1:07:48 Yeah. Right. And so yeah, absolutely. That's part of this is that we want people to rally on. Look, we're being poisoned. Perpetually poisoned in this country, both in the mind from misinformation and in the in the belly from a toxic fucking array of food. The mind, our hearts are very essence. Yes. And wellspring of who America is and fucking right.

1:08:13 And fuck anybody that's not intelligent to know that's beyond personal choice. Okay. Personal choice is always a factor. It's always in the room. It's always a present thing. But it's not just personal. And arguably these people with this 4000 square foot home, we're walking past with four cameras. They've exercised their personal choice and they've got this lifestyle, but they only have.

1:08:32 So they two are on a leash and they only have so far they can go. Right. It's all it's all a matter of like all these, you know, really highly orchestrated connections of, you know, of, you know, these, yeah. So you're trying to trying to weave traffic, you're trying to navigate the landscape. Nearly silent. New boat, new cars.

1:08:55 Yeah. Oh, that was quite a shift. It's about 1000ft to your next turn. Yeah. It's another problem with electric vehicles is we have to get used to a new culture of, like, not being able to hear vehicles or pedestrians. Yeah, right. Because like, most of them are whisper quiet. At least you have the tire. So you really fit into what you just said.

1:09:15 Okay. Thank you. That's it. Bulbs go ahead and take care of themselves in the cold and the accumulation of ice. But LEDs don't, right. Same idea. Right. So when you when you engineer like a new light system to like, you're an engineer and you're tasked to, you know, put in a much lower energy system, save electricity for the government, you know, for efficiency reasons.

1:09:34 Right? You were part of your design, part of your use case wasn't. Oh, and it's going to melt the snow off, right? Right. Because nobody thought about that because it was just happening. Yeah. And that's my whole rant about technology too, is that people aren't thoughtful enough. And so they're putting in all these kind of in systems that have.

1:09:52 Now I'm going to argue, being a cog at the bottom of the machine. We keep going. And when Miles we take a left on the Pinckney Avenue, we're not far. We're like, not too far away every 20 minutes. Oh, shit. Yeah, we had to go. Oh, shit. So. So you had to go to work early today too.

1:10:10 Oh, okay. Well, we we turn the podcast off and just walked now. Yeah. Can't do that. Well, maybe we wrap it up. We haven't talked a while. Yeah. Oh yeah. You're right. This is a long one okay. So we'll just make this a continuation. Let's make for part two okay. Awesome. And and part one due to time constraints.

1:10:30 Fair enough.