0:02 New clever titles on Spotify. We're there. Yes!

0:08 Fake it til you make it. Love it. Yeah. I got my ears lowered. And she did something with the damn beard. Yeah. Wow. Presentable. Yeah, well, I gotta be on camera now. Oh. What happened? Everybody know working on it. Oh, make me wait. Are you guys. Yeah. I've got an only fans now. Yeah. No, no. Fucking work. They just want us on camera.

0:43 For team meetings. I see for the, every other meeting, we can do exactly what we've been doing, which is be disembodied voices. You know, if you record yourself nodding and saying. Like for an hour. Yeah. Like one time. And then you play that shit and see how long you get away with it. Oh that'd be so awesome.

1:06 Like you're there in the same space. Like the student is an experiment. I think I'd need to do like, four different recordings, maybe with four different bow ties. Yeah, you just rotate them out. Dude, if you can get away with that, like, fully. Yeah. Yeah. Like awesome. Yeah, that'd be totally cool. You know, especially for, like, the town halls or whatever the hell they call them these days, whatever the corporate buzzword is.

1:29 Thank God none of us have to be on the camera for those. Yeah, but that's, you know, like, I go for something similar where, you know, you don't really have to participate, but you have to be there, right? Right. And you're and you're expected to show your face. Just you have the hour long video view in advance. Record me in in the depths of ennui.

1:48 Nodding. Yeah. Like, just like looking around a little bit, you know, from time to time. Yep, yep. Maybe a bang in the background and me look over. Yeah. Yeah, right. We're just enough. Enough, you know, nuance. And so, like, you know, it's at least a couple of minutes. So, like, when those nuances repeat, it's not so obvious. Yeah, I get it perfectly.

2:11 To where the final when it actually loops, you know, it's like not just like quick snap. Yeah. Like you do some filter where it's like glitches the webcam and then recycles. Yeah. So funny. Two minutes and 30s of you, you know, looking around in your normal thing. That's pretty great. And you just hit play and then go do something.

2:31 You pull something like that off. It's pretty epic. That would be. So I heard the story of this guy who was working as a programmer and, he was, you know, got I was working on time, and I was kind of stuff. And he was like, made employee of the month multiple times. And, you know, he's pretty pretty known as being a pretty decent programmer.

2:50 Okay. And his it is going really well. You know, I forgot how they discovered what he was doing, but all he was doing was taking all the specs for everything that he had to code and sending it over to China. So literally, his workday consisted of, here's what I need to do today. Send all those tasks to my doppelganger in China.

3:11 Yeah. And then put my feet up on the desk for the rest of the day. So he's basically paying a small, much smaller portion of his salary to have all of his work done for him. So have you heard about a gentleman who got caught doing that twice? Basically had two jobs working together. Same time kind of thing.

3:30 But he was farming them out to teams in India. So he was project managing teams to do two jobs. Wow. It's like at one one hand that's like clever you know. And it's kind of like admirable. But the other hand it's like extremely unethical. Like, especially with something sensitive. And this guy from the story that I heard worked for, like, you know, work that he was doing was sensitive, you know, like HIPAA.

3:54 And I was going to crop. Give me one second. I'm gonna there's a, there's a there's a website that is all about helping you get a second job covertly. No. Yes. Okay, so, like, moonlighting.com. Oh, well, it's it's takes advantage of the whole idea of moonlighting. Right. But this is talking about the a second job at the same time as your first job.

4:28 And basically the idea is, hey, we're all working remotely, but at the same time, that's that's like, great. It's like trip up. Oh, yeah. Like, mix them up. Reverse engineer. I know, I would, just like the sitcom scenario where the guys like dating two girls at the same time. You know, she's like, got got one on one side of the restaurant and the other side the restaurant, and he's like, oh, I gotta go to the bathroom and go to the other one I'm talking about.

5:00 Yep. Absolutely. And that would be me trying to handle that. So I did run across when I worked at a managed service provider. Right. Oh, this guy that did work for two companies in the same industry and used us for hosting for both of them. Wow. You could basically, if you pulled this off, right? Double or triple dip?

5:22 Yeah. And what this guy did, though, he worked for a pretty niche industry. It was,

5:31 It was one of the companies manufactured and sold boats, like, you know, consumer high end. Pleasure boats. Okay. And the other company just sold them. But I mean, their infrastructure is probably really goddamn similar. Yeah. Right. So he took advantage of that. Oh my God, that's so funny. And he was like okay, you cannot mention he was telling us all the time, you cannot mention this company to this company.

6:03 Wow. So like a certain amount of it, you just have to keep under wraps or else you'd be exposed. Yeah. Gotcha. Well, you know, there's all kinds of that, that kind of stuff happening with insider trading and all this kind of bullshit. You know, for the people that are all in the hedge fund and all this kind of crap, you know, that's that's not that's not surprising here in that, in that industry.

6:23 But like when you're actually working for a wage like labor, you know, when you're on salary for wage and you have like three jobs simultaneously and all three don't know about each other, that's pretty skilled. Yeah. You have to admit that would take a certain degree of skill. It would, it would. I mean, I don't think I can handle that.

6:40 That's a lot like two would be, you know, two is cognitively very difficult. And the thing is, he really did have us handling almost everything. We were a managed service provider. And we could if you gave us access and set things up properly, we could do your ad for you so we could handle user management. We could handle everything.

7:03 He had a handle on it. All I could imagine, like doing doing two at once. I think I might be able to handle that if it was all virtual and I could, you know, be slick about it. I think I could do it for a while and get away with it. I don't know, I'm doing it with school.

7:15 So I looked up the account. True. True. But I looked up the account. You've got the extra cognitive load, though, of having to be secretive. That's true. That's true with, like, morality and real life to man, if you're a fucking immoral prick and you go around lying, everybody, you gotta remember all that shit. Yeah, like you said, cognitive load, you know?

7:34 Yep. It's. It's difficult to be like a spin doctor. And, you know, we've a web of lies. Yeah. To all the people that are in your life. Oh. Speaking of which, there's this guy, that passed away last year. Or maybe it's the year before at this point. No, I think it's been within a year time window. But anyway, he was that guy.

7:55 Bill, I probably didn't want to say his last name, but. Sure, he had that philosophy. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. He had the overarching philosophy of life and approach. Right, right, right. And, you know, that was always he asked me to be really critical of it. I remember you talking about this. Yeah. He wanted me to be really critical of it to, like, so he could improve it.

8:16 Yeah. Yeah. And, so that. That's kind of cool. You know, somebody who's pretty strong in their ideas.

8:27 Would accept criticism. Okay, so he did. Except criticism. Yeah. Like, he accepted the criticism only because he wanted to, like, practice his defense of the of his positions. Right? Yeah. And but, you know, I'm not a bad debater.

8:46 And so I was able to not only, like, poke holes in a thing, but then go do, like, a deep dive and say, this cannot absolutely be true for these reasons. And that's where he started to get to where he didn't like it so much. And because, you know, when you build a philosophy, one tenant on top of another if you pull out.

9:02 Oh, I got it. If you pull out one of the lower tenants, the house of cards comes tumbling down, right? Absolutely. And I mean, that's with almost anyone, any amateur armchair philosophers constructions. You're gonna end up with something that doesn't hold water after a little while. Yeah. And, like, once you've really committed to something and you've, like, inked it, put it put written it down in ink and, you know, put up a website and put up a whole thing and have t shirts made.

9:30 It's pretty hard to change some of your core pens anyway. What you're saying. Oh, no, dude, go ahead. Yeah. So this dude, you know, he never committed suicide. Holy shit. Really? Yeah. So that was, like, pretty much further testament to, like, maybe his. Maybe his theories weren't so great, right? Wow. His life probably wasn't so hot if he was in that kind of domain.

9:52 But his son did. His son committed suicide. Damn. And his daughter, like, was completely strange. He didn't want anything to do with him. And so I never. So who went first? The son. Okay. Yeah. And then when he got older and suffered some medical setbacks, and he wasn't able to live the life he wanted to live.

10:13 I guess he was limited. Yeah, that was enough. You know, I just mixed. We've talked about this before, too. I have this mixed relationship with suicide. Like, you know, I think to a certain extent, someone's in this pain. You can't find remedy. You know, by all means, I think it's their right to do what they want. I'm with you on that.

10:34 If you are terminally ill or if you're a chronic pain or whatever, but I'm not. Well, there's certain psychological, you know, situations. Yeah, where a person just can't have any joy anymore. Like, they've gone so far and they have what they do, they can't find remedy. And, you know, maybe I need to expand my definition of what I think is okay for suicide, because it's a highly personal thing.

10:58 Yeah. And like, chronic mental illness could be a chronic illness just like. Yeah. Or something else. Absolutely. You know, especially when someone's like, in therapy. Three days a week. Five days a week. Right. And just can't sort that shit out. And Jesus doesn't do anything or whatever. Well, of course not. Yeah. The bag, the bag of dope or Jesus just doesn't do it, you know?

11:15 Right. Which are. I mean, it can't we exactly. We can't go past the fact that really, those are people's two main remedies. Yeah. And so many people are using those remedies. Makes you wonder, like, isn't it time to look at the core, you know. Right. Right. I mean, you know, they're considered by their by their by their adherents.

11:44 They're considered, you know, to be panacea that just should take care of it all. Wipe it all away. Yeah, I've used the metaphor. Homeless times, like the fires are breaking out all over the place. Like maybe it's time to start looking at an arsonist. Inevitably. Right. Right. Right. Like, You know, of course we need to expand the fire department and make sure that we put all the fires out and see the many children as possible.

12:08 Yeah. But at the same time, you know, the the fire after fire, fire, fire breaking out. And statistically, it's way out of normal. You know, it's maybe time to start saying, hey, you know, look into what's going on here. Right, right. And the fact is, in both of those situations, fires or, people.

12:31 Filling hollow because of their philosophy that the one that they bombed on to we can come up with a general, culprit here. Yeah. Right, right. And so, like, the basic, you know, fundamental American lifestyle is just hollow. Consumerism and individualism has left us just all in despair to some extent. Which, personally, is why I think over employed.com came about.

12:57 Good. Perfect to that. But really I feel like it was wearing a hat. Thank you. So thank you. But over employed.com is really about okay we're in this extractive model. We're in this till you drain you of all things right. You know situation. So why not turn the tables on them and, you know, capitalistic responsibility? Yeah. In labor as a function.

13:27 And that's what this site argues. It has it has the high ground on the argument. It says work to remove the title is work to remote jobs reach financial freedom. There you go. Yeah, totally. Like within the idea of capitalism, labor is supposed to try its best to get as much money. For what? For your labor as possible.

13:48 Yeah, that's your job under capitalism. And so like, even organizing like union and all that kind of stuff would be your, your function, like your responsibility being on that side of the labor coin of the production coin. Right. Under capitalism. Is it your duty to make sure you maximize your income. You're right. If that means change you know where you live, increase your education, whatever it is.

14:09 And these were traditionally all levers that you could pull. But location location strategy doesn't matter so much anymore. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like in the past, you'd migrate to where the work is, you know, the work is. And uproot your family and all those kind of thing. Right, right. And you send your kids to new schools, and they'd hate you for a while and all that.

14:30 Hey, hey, hey, new blood kids in there, like, in the cafeteria, like, you know, staring at you menacingly, holding this, holding the metal utensil. We're gonna beat you in. Jump in. Yeah! That's it. Jump! You get to be a Santa Monica cougar. Yeah. You're going to take a few scratches. A Santa Cruz slug. What's this? California. You.

14:58 You gotta be in Sacramento. Yeah. And I'm going with all derivatives of, like, cats. Right. Right. Yeah, yeah. If you want to be a San Francisco, if you want to be a, bobcat. Let's see a Carlsbad. Yeah. What was I going to say? Damn, I totally forgot. It was just go back to the website. More so.

15:25 Basically the premises. Go ahead. Since everything is virtual remote, let's go ahead. If you can. And double dip. Yeah, if you can double dip, we'll help you do it. This website really does help you do it. It's not just some guy ranting about how he's being used as a service. Because it like, train you how to manage that.

15:42 It does help you like it, but it trains you for free. Okay. Does it have tools built into it? It does not currently, but it could use some. The guy appears to be a developer when you read it, and you heard the story about some of the developer double dipping and got really jealous. Well, this guy has this website which is a job, and that he monetize.

16:05 Then he claims to have two others. Well, he asked him if he's done the presence of. Right. So but some people on this on this forum claim to have 3 or 4.

16:21 And that like gets to some extent to where it's like I think quickly you can get in some, some into some turf that's unethical because, you know, you can be doing things like, intentionally overestimating, over inflating, you know, just so you can so you can accommodate. Yeah. The four different. Right, right. And I mean, I'll just say, with my job in the randomness of scheduling meetings and such as that, there's no way I could do to.

16:50 Yeah. So maybe I'm wrong about that as well. Like, maybe that's also just a function of your responsibility for labor capitalism. If you can work 25 jobs at one time and get away with it. Maybe that's, you know, because there's a there's a bit of deception like implied and built into the capitalistic model. There is I mean, like look at marketing for one.

17:10 We're all when we are working for the corporate world, we're we're shilling for ourselves. We're selling ourselves anyway. Yes. It's it's funny, you can actually make that case that there's a certain amount of deception and unethical behavior that's not only appropriate, but but your responsibility. Right. You can. So, so like, for example, if you're if you're going into like a job interview or, or job situation and you have some kind of chronic illness, right, you certainly don't want to unveil that.

17:41 Yeah. You're not, which is a major part of your life. Yeah. The chronic illness is like, you're not going to be like, yo, I have Crohn's disease, and I'm usually out twice a month. Yeah, and during the day, I'm in the bathroom for three hours, man. Yeah. So, you know, you're putting on a front that's different from the reality, you know?

17:57 Yeah, I can handle it. You know, it's just like, just like dating or anything else you're putting on, like, your best face. But there's a bit of deception, you know, certain things. I mean, even in crappy jobs, I had to lie somewhat like, okay, whenever I didn't have a car and had those crappy jobs, they would always ask, do you have a car?

18:14 Right? And I said, yes. And I would say I have transportation, I transportation by two feet. But I didn't say my transportation to feet, but I would stop at I have transportation. There you go. Yeah. So and then you know, when you first go on a date with somebody, it's not like the first thing you say is what your body counted, right?

18:31 Right. And that's a crazy thing I had never heard of called body count until about eight months ago. Yeah. See, I'm. I'm up on all the current curves. Yes, yes, I can hook you up. There we go. Thank you for a, you know, the, What is it, modern day parlance?

18:53 It just means you have a child that's on TikTok.

18:57 It doesn't mean I'm getting. Just means that I'm curious about some some form of, like, modern hip parlance, as you say to my children living through my children, as always, yes, I care, yes, but you have to have a guest on this podcast. I want to have somebody who has two jobs on the podcast. Give him a third job.

19:20 Give him a third one. Yeah, yeah, that's only if we inevitably monetized. But a lot of the articles are how not to get caught or how people get caught. And a lot of them are things like how to minimize your chances of getting caught, how the internet has made the world small, and you can leverage, you know, commonalities between the companies.

19:44 Sure. And things about jealously guarding your metadata. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, thereby leaving less of a trail, jealously guarding your metadata. Is that the word jealous? It doesn't say that. It says don't reveal your metadata. That can lead back to you. Oh, so zealously hide your metadata. Yes. There we go. I guess I see, so, like, at all costs.

20:11 Don't don't let people kind of meta meta tracking. Yeah. That's it. And so like don't put on LinkedIn what company is currently working for. Right. And there's articles on, on avoid being caught with passive avoidance, being caught with active avoidance, passive and active avoidance. Yeah. I mean yeah, definitely the baseline for this whole thing is to say, well, yeah.

20:42 You know, creating a fake profile of yourself before entering a particular field, quote unquote. So that's interesting. That's an interesting topic to talk about is like, you know, necessary deception, because obviously, you can view being deceptive and being being able to get away with being deceptive. Like a component of intelligence. Emotional intelligence.

21:09 I mean, yeah, yeah. Well, they I guess they cover the Earth on purpose of getting good school. Yeah, it's like that. Like that company. Yeah, sure. William. Yeah. That's it. We've been sponsored today, guys. Yeah. I used to work at Darren, which was an arm of Sherwin Williams. I just want to get a shout out today to our sponsor.

21:30 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Ain't doing it. I ain't doing it. I mean, it really depends on how much money they pass. I'm just saying. Yeah. Like, we can't we can't take any steps like that because we don't know what. Like, if we ever do get a demographic, what that demographic going to be, right? Yeah. We can never get started because we set up open to it like that.

21:54 Yeah. And then, you know, we haven't even established that that's something. We're going for it. Yeah. Do we want a million? No. And and I don't really care about a million. People want to hear the bullshit. No, dude. No. First of all, I couldn't imagine it, you know? Second of all, if it did happen that that put some pressure that I'm not sure I'm ready for.

22:13 It put a lot of pressure and really actually like, thinking about what I'm saying. That's scary. And really, what I wonder is what to maintain a million listeners. Like what kind of engagement platforms do you have to have and what kind of engagement do we personally have to have with them in three?

22:32 How much money does that bring? You know. Yeah. So, you know and then once it's 1 million then then what are you shoot for 10 million. But if 1 million is a high rate of monetization and we're both happy with the cash. Well, the thing about that makes our thing the brand or whatever to call it a stick, whatever, like fluid.

22:55 Is that the way we the way we interact? Like, we could talk fucking forever. We do talk forever. Yeah, right. Over time, we've always gotten together for all these years. It's like. It's like, hey, we're drinking, let's drink into the sun. Comes up and talk. Yeah. For some reason, like, it just doesn't ever stop. Yeah. Like, there's no exhausting of the topics.

23:15 There's no exhausting, like, you know, you could just, like, spot play like I spy. Yeah, for five days. Yeah. That's like I spy this, you know? Like, why do we have toll phone poles? You know, because of the Green Giant, the race of green giants that once tread upon the earth and, you know.

23:36 And mountains are just ancient trees that were cut down. Right?

23:42 I love all that. Oh my gosh. Conspiracy theories are the best. Oh they're great. To some extent are creative. And at the same time, like, they're sad. But but I as a kid, I always enjoyed the I don't know what other term to put to it than this. The cognitive dissonance of, maintaining what I know is probably correct versus what is a little crackpot.

24:09 Yeah. And looking at the two, I wouldn't even write papers just for myself on conspiracy theories. Oh, man, that's pretty creative. And that's what's better than taking two toys that look like warriors and smashing the other? Yeah, I just was never into that.

24:27 There's some degree of, like, I don't know, I don't even know what it's called. But yeah, I'd wake up in the middle of the night and listen to conspiracy theories on the radio and then write papers on them that go nowhere. Yeah. Do you have them still? No. What a treasure trove that would be. That would have been cool.

24:45 12, 13, 14 year old me scribblings about, supporting a conspiracy theory that I didn't support.

24:55 That's scary. Oh, I got a battery. Low indicator. Oh, shit. I think my podcast.

25:05 Is working well. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully, I don't have any gaps. Do you want me to hold it? Because, like, you're, like, slightly louder than me. So I found that if I'm holding it, it's like a little bit of a natural balance. Yeah. Well, hopefully we got something, but I see red light. We're good. If we didn't. No no, no.

25:24 We're good. I have faith. So, Yeah, I was saying, like these conspiracy theories, it's like it's natural when you have this, like, major event that otherwise really has no explanation in floods, the conspiracy theories, because the mind can't. The way I've understood it is that the mind can't comprehend the magnitude of the situation. Like the tune towers coming down like they did.

25:46 Right. Right. And so we don't want to believe that that could have just happened from, you know, being hit by a plane. They would have planned for that. You know they would have you know the mind starts grasping at straws. You know, there's no way that could happen. You know, we have this traffic control and quick response force and all these things.

26:00 It's impossible. That couldn't happen. Well, especially after the first one hit, you know, they never would have let the second one hit in the same idea. And there's certain things that culturally blind you like. I was watching that miniseries Chernobyl last night, a couple years late, you know? Never even heard of it. Okay, well, it came out and HBO Max owns it.

26:22 And ultimately it's a it's a people and cultural centric view of how the hell happened. Oh, okay. Gotcha. And it even happened to begin with. Yeah. Because, like you said, twin towers. Crazy catastrophe. Well, they're Chernobyl. Crazy catastrophe. Yeah. And so their take on the basic take on it in the first episode is this went down because of blind faith in Soviet socialism, and,

26:56 Pretty much like you said, this, just general disbelief that our systems could fail. Our best laid plans could have cracks in them. Yeah. And so, you know these towers coming down and then all these questions start flooding into the mind. But there's no it's American exceptionalism. And it's the same thing with our plans. Couldn't fail. Well you spend that kind of kind of price on the military.

27:20 You'd expect a pretty good safety net. Yeah. True. You spend that kind of cash on something, you know, you kind of expect some kind of decent, some kind of return on your intelligence apparatus. Right? Yeah. And then the government steps on this, dick and comes out with all this other bullshit that, like, it's so unbelievable, like, there's no way it's either a flat lie or a miracle happened for that, you know, thing that they're saying.

27:41 Any other government would have done the same thing. Perhaps it's like they're talking about how they found the ID cards of the hijackers in the debris. It's like, no, no, you didn't know. Yeah. That's that. So for me, when I when that hit me, it's almost like it's almost like, but it made people feel better. So we made the lie.

27:59 Yeah, but it's almost like a counter psyop because it's. It's like a sign up on a psyop because the. Okay, so first of all, the dumb people are going to say, oh, I see. Yeah. Right. Right. And then so you're gonna catch, what, the bottom third of America. Yeah. And then the smart people are going to say, wait a minute.

28:17 Yeah, yeah. And then what you've just done is you've, you've you've, Lullaby the masses. Right? Right. And then secondarily, you've like, gotten the, the intellectual elite to start looking at conspiracy theories and other misinformation. Right. Promoting their thought patterns. Like, more than likely, you cut the edges off the bell curve with your first attempt to. We found the ideas.

28:40 Well, I think what you've done is you've taken the middle. You just got the middle. Okay. Or at least the bottom, you know, 2/5. All right. So we got the so we know we got the bottom and we got the majority because in the book of the averages in the middle are people of average intelligence are going to believe that.

28:56 So we got we got to ramp up to the curve. Yeah. Yeah. So we got to ramp up to the curve and well the bottom you know let's say second standard deviation on the bottom and beyond is not in the game. Right. Right. And so then the bulk in the middle, the 67% or whatever is in the middle.

29:12 You've got them the lie. So you've pacified 67% roughly. And now you're pretty much your golden. Yeah. Right there. You're ready in good shape because then you've got a vocal minority that is going to look a little insane at this point. Right. And then you have that kind of like above average tier, you know, kind of, you know, maybe one standard deviation from the center right on the right hand side, right, that are going to like be searching for the truth like that may land upon conspiracy theories, like you said, right.

29:43 Which have more than likely been seeded by your government of choice here. Exactly. So they've been baited, right? And then what's left on the on the far right, intelligent fringe. Yeah, fine. What's left on the far right until it's the sidewalks? Yeah. I love our secular conversation, you know? And, the far, you know, very intelligent people are just going to be like, you know, above the fray.

30:11 Yeah. You know, and I and I and I was the, you know, one, like looking for the truth online, you know, like, of all the places to try to look for the truth. Yeah. Do you know, I've came team to the conclusion and all that, like, I, I believe I know the answer to how the towers actually did fall.

30:25 Okay. Did I ever share that with you? Nope. So it's really interesting. I was, like, looking into the chemistry. Should we go? Yeah. Let's go this way. I don't think we've ever been this way before. I don't recognize it. I don't either. So nice neighborhood though. Yeah. It's like no school bus. Go, miles. It's fucking great. So I started doing some of the chemistry and trying to understand, like, some of the other reactions.

30:51 Excuse me? Some of the reactions that might be taking place in that, in that kind of cataclysmic event. Right. First of all, the idea that, if we start breathing heavy, it's because we're going up, like the steepest hill in Charlotte. Yeah. This is like a 60 degree angle. There's. This is like one of those no winter maintenance parts of the road.

31:09 Right?

31:11 You know what I'm talking about. It's like nobody's getting out of here. Yeah, this, this. The sweaters. Come if we ever get snow to this fucking road right here and then. Okay, we're past it. Yeah. Now, once we catch our breath.

31:25 Do you smell the wood from that construction? Yeah. Dude, it's like, such a strong smell. It's off gas, and it's a volatile organic organic compounds, the VOC.

31:37 Sorry. There was a bunch of jokes that popped into my mind. I'm trying to stay focused here, so it's like, you know, like a fart. Anyway. Systems really neat. Or a bong keeps them from having to use the wrap. Oh, it's. You have to use that tie stuff or whatever. Right. Gotcha. So, Sure. So this idea, this chemistry.

32:00 Okay. What's happening? First of all, and this is like, way, way, way down the road, right? Like, I got into conspiracy theories pretty heavy about nine over 11 for a while. Jesus. Not that I was believing them like I was trying to study. Like I was trying to know the truth. Because to me, it had a specific significance.

32:21 You know, I actually joined the military after nine over 11, okay. And went overseas because of this, you know, and because I was so distraught by 911 when it first happened. Not that, you know, how dare someone attack our country type mentality. Just. We got to do something about this crazy world, right? You know, and I just had the fidgets.

32:41 I couldn't sit still, and I couldn't think of what to do. So I'm going to throw my hat in the ring. Yeah. And so, like, my fucking brilliant idea. Yeah, yeah. So. So I went into the whole thing. Oh. I'm sorry, I want to go, but maybe it's important to know. I went into the whole thing with this, with this misconception that when I'm in the military, I'll get to see the inside.

33:00 Right, right, right. I'll be an insider. I'll be privy to what's happening and what's going on. Yeah, and I'll be able to better understand the world, because I'll. I'll understand better the geopolitical. It makes sense when you aren't familiar with the military, but then when you become familiar with the military, you realize it's just another layer of bullshit.

33:19 Yes, absolutely. That and you're so mission focused. And when you have a low rank, you're not privy to all the top stuff anyway. No. And you're still mission focused. The details of the mission become the thought consumption really consumes your thoughts. And so you're not you're not thinking often about the geopolitical situation because you can't. Right? You have to focus and you have to be there and conscious.

33:40 And if you want to live right, you have to be paying attention. Right. Yeah. And so then your brain gets in the micro of the mission and you. Yeah, you're you're forget, but you don't have time to deal with the macro. You're mired in the minutia. There you go. Yes, that's what I'm saying. So anyway, so after I got out of the military, I got a little bit obsessed.

34:02 Yeah. Let me just use the right words. I got obsessed with, like, trying to rationalize what happened on nine over 11. Right? Right. And so then I saw that loose change video and all these other things that, wow, they were like connecting dots that make sense. You know, Holy shit. Maybe I didn't watch any of this shit. I just opted out.

34:20 Yeah. So because I didn't figure a man of my station and intellect could fathom the what actually happened. You know, that's the beauty of being positively pedestrian, is that you have a sense of at least knowledge of, you know, where you stand. And so that'll help you avoid mistakes, right? By not over sending yourself. Yeah. And most part, I was still in that mode where I was trying to survive.

34:44 You'd come out of the military, you had a stipend for living and for school. Yeah. And I'm going to school 28 credit hours. Yeah, which is insane. Making sure that I'm, like, really, really heavily into my education to kind of retrain my brain. So I at least had some meta understanding for that, reintegrate yourself into society. But in my spare time, I was playing video games or looking at stuff about 911.

35:08 Right. And so, that's, I don't know, some pretty heavy construction or homeless takeover. So, anyway, I was spending a lot of spare time looking into ideas about mental health. Anyway, I'll get to the point. Well, this carried over the years. It waned. It dwindled off. Right? It started to go away. But I kept looking at it from time to time.

35:34 Right. And so I don't spend any time on it now because I'm very satisfied with what I feel is the explanation. And that is when the, when the planes hit the building, all the aluminum that the plane is made of basically atomized. Right. So like I came to this because I saw a video, it was like MythBusters or something.

35:54 I don't know where they I think it was MythBusters, but they took us rocket sled, right, and slammed it. It like a thousand miles an hour into a brick wall. Okay. Right.

36:05 Excuse me. And it was an automobile made of steel and aluminum and plastic and fiberglass and everything else. Right. And they played it in super slow motion. Something close to constituent materials that a modern day plane would be made of. Sure. And when they. When they slammed it into the brick wall, reinforced brick wall at a ridiculous speed, like rocket propelled speed.

36:27 Yeah, man. They showed it in super slow motion, and it doesn't like crumple. It's like it didn't like the metal, didn't, like, crinkle and then crush dramatically and then fly off at some angle. Right. It was such force that it actually all the material. Okay. Like basically turned it into a into a bind Adam size myth. Yeah, that's a good way to say it.

36:52 Right. It turned it into a series of microparticles because it hit with such force. It's in the material. Didn't have the energy to stay together. Okay. And so? So it disintegrated. It literally disintegrated. That's the perfect word. That's the word right there. Exactly. Perfect. Thank you. And then my mind was like, dang, wait a minute. That's what happened with the planes they did when they hit the you know, a majority of it disintegrated right when it hit the building.

37:19 The the bonds that created aluminum were broken and the constituent atoms blanketed the area. Yeah. So now you have all the tons of of aluminum that's in that thing now inside the building. Okay. So you have multiple multiple I did the math on it. And metal dust is flammable. I mean, well, that's the thing interesting thing about aluminum is when you combine aluminum with water and in high heat.

37:47 And at this point, it's water vapor is all we need. Yeah. Which we have when that hits the the exposed steel, it creates thermite. Oh because we're talking we've got we've got oxidation. Exactly. And so that, that oxidation is thermite. Yes. Right. Aluminum oxide. Right. Aluminum oxide. Combined with water. Combined with exposed steel. Right. Create the oxidation reduction reaction, which then melted the steel, you see.

38:17 And then that's why in the video, you see like molten metal dripping out of the side of the building, like not long, you know, because it was hit by a multi ton thermite ball. Yeah. Oh, fuck. And so yes, the diesel fuel, you know, kerosene, whatever you want to call it, kind of level what they call jet fuel, you know, burning inside that building.

38:38 Absolutely indeed was not enough to take the building down because the steel can resist that level heat. Sure. Right. Not the thermite, not the reaction with the aluminum. I mean, there's a there's a reason we, use thermite for bunker busting and all sorts of other things. That shit, you go through almost anything. Yeah. You use thermite to weld railroad ties together, you know shit like that, right?

38:57 Because it melts steel. And so there you have. I once used a pile of thermite to burn through someone's engine block. Homemade thermite for the wind. Raw.

39:06 Yeah, that's the story. I'll tell it later. And so then the building following the it with the magnesium ribbon. There you go. That's exciting. So, I think people over time are going to get the idea that we're fucking terrorists. Maybe we are. Oh my God. I think we're just really curious. This is another. That's a better word than terrace.

39:27 Yeah. I'd rather have that label of very curious than domestic terrorists. And I'll be honest, I've wondered the same about myself. Am I committing terrorism? Yeah. Yeah. What's wrong with my brain or what's right with it? And usually I'm on the camp of. What's wrong, guys? What's wrong? Well, you know, that's that's how we reflect. That's how we grow.

39:48 So. So, you know, put all this together now and then, you weaken a few floors of these steel, basically turn it into butter. You know, you're turning the steel into molten steel, fucking right over a few floors. And now the full weight of the third of the building, whatever is above it, by gosh, is enough to then crush.

40:07 Oh, and the reason you get this splendor is, you know, incredible, you know, a polarization of concrete. Yeah. And like, the ejection of 30ft beams, you know, steel beams and shit is because the force equals mass times acceleration. We know the acceleration. And the mass is fucking incredible. Right. This seems too simple, but ultimately it would have to come down to simple chemistry and physics as to what happened.

40:35 Right. And so the government, as far as I know to this day, never has come out with that, that explanation. And that's a fucking crying shame, because what they've done is they've just let it stay in the, in the ether. But the idea of is that easier than trying to explain to the average American this probably it's way easier, but it's disingenuous because you have this like nine over 11 commission report.

40:56 But if you explain it this easily, don't you miss the opportunity to subjugate, control and redirect all that? Yeah. That's that's that's quickly. Yeah. But that's exactly like a problem. Dude, that's what I'm saying.

41:17 So that's exactly what I'm saying. I just came across the road looking at hamster. Okay. You moved pretty well for a guy. There you go, guys. Sorry about ass. No, I'm not gonna put any labels on chubby. Yeah, right. So, so so, you know. No. So I'm a fast look. Good. Yes. You can take anything like that.

41:44 And in a sci ops kind of mode, like, you know, do it, do it, do the calculus, or do, like an analysis on what, you know, gives you more control and power and influence over people and, and what allows you to that, that do the right thing. I'm with you. But they needed people to help them retaliate. And so like, that's what I'm talking about.

42:07 I didn't want to just be another one of those dumbasses that signed up waving the flag, you know? Right. And so I'm bitter about it to this day, there was no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was just an excuse to go open that market. It was fucking so. And I think so. I come to a conclusion that most people who decry the whole search for WMD have it.

42:27 Usually they say bullshit the government want to control, but they don't talk about they really wanted. We talk about oligarchs controlling Russia. Well, all the guards controlling Russia might be a little bit more fair than corporations. Nameless and faceless, controlling America, which is what you're saying happened. Exactly. And the idea that the idea that America is the good dies is so I'm so past that is not even funny, but, you know, but that is my case.

42:55 But the end game ultimately is open up the markets for those who run the country. Yeah. There you go. So, so when you talk all this bullshit about China, look at the propaganda. They're upon their people and all this kind of stuff, right? And like, oh, you know, but one thing you got to get it is. But look what we're doing here, right?

43:13 One thing you got to give the Chinese, though they continually are online, they're continually they might not be protesting in meatspace, but they're usually using whatever channels are available to them to say this isn't right a lot of times. And then the government shuts down that channel for a while, or bands talking about this thing because they are talking about things that aren't right.

43:37 Yeah. And we've talked about this many times too, is that you control the narrative by controlling the topics, like you let people say whatever they want about the topics. But then and, and you call that freedom of speech and freedom of thought, but you've already steered them to that topic, right and right. And so but sometimes China doesn't get it right, is what I'm saying.

43:55 Sometimes I was talking about the US. Oh, okay. You know, the Associated Press has you turned on every news station is generally the same topics. Right, right. So why? Well, because there's a there's a concerted control over at least the topic selection. Right. And then once you've gotten the topics kind of mostly corralled, you've now controlled the narrative, let people say whatever the fuck they want on Twitter, blah, blah, blah, but they're talking about the shit that you've led them to talk about, right?

44:21 And they're not talking about the separation of, you know, the wealth gap in America. They're not talking about the health care for the for the poor, the people that really need it. They're suffering. You know, you're not talking about the core issues. Talk about it. It's a footnote. If they do talk about it, it's an article, but they're not talking about the amount that it needs to invoke change.

44:39 Yeah. It's not a sustained campaign. You know, you get people waving the Black Lives Matter flag or whatever. The LGBT that that lasted are damn wild. Yeah. But what I'm saying is you get the people in this certain level out there in the street protesting that, not protesting. You know, we need to take. We need to take care of our people that are diabetic.

45:00 And I'll just be honest. You know what? Hold on. This is a really important point to me, okay? It's like if you think Black Lives Matter, health care and treatment for diabetes is the number one thing you should be talking about. Yes. Not like what, a cop. Look at the statistics on what cops have done to black people, right?

45:17 Pretty nasty. No, they're not actually. When you look at the fucking body count, it's like nothing. I'm talking about body count in the way we talk about body, talking about. You know, I'm not talking about killing people. I'm talking to you about how sometimes there are terror in communities. You know, whenever we look at statistics, we only have the final state, which is something worth recording, a death or an outright abuse that got reported.

45:42 I totally agree with you 100%, but I still am committed to saying the scale and the magnitude is like is not even on the same fucking scale. So like the amount of suffering that's happening due to lack of health care. And I agree with you. Obesity related diseases makes what anything that happened with police brutality and antagonistic behaviors.

46:02 There's a whole there's a whole raft load of things that come with BLM. And that should be one of those things like top ten. I don't think it is. Right. So so if you were to write down, like looking at that particular demographic, even though I don't like to do that, because I think that's just the idea of race.

46:17 You know, like that's a whole you know, we've had that conversation to some extent, but not too deeply. But, you know, this constant, continuous perpetually. Hey. Good morning. Right. So let me let me see. See where. Check it out. Where I'm going here is that if you like look at that. You know, say people with X amount of melanin.

46:35 Right. He calling them a cultural group or something. Right. And you call that blacks? You know, for lack of a better term and or African-Americans or whatever. Insert pejorative here. And you take that and you make an ordinal list of what is affecting that quote unquote community or that micro culture, that subculture. Right. The most police brutality and killings is like, got to be like, hardly even on the list.

47:02 But it is easy to energize people for. And you might be able to get these other things along for the ride. Okay. Right now, now we're getting somewhere. That's what I'm talking about. But if you go it isn't a non problem. That's the thing. It's not a problem. Like okay you know what else is a major problem. Fucking young 61513 year old boys shooting each other.

47:23 Yeah. Because over a fucking street turf, you know, look how much weed. I thought it was a skunk. Maybe skunk weed. Yeah, maybe it is. Smells like a skunk to me. The first thing I thought of. All right, so, you know, track it down. So, so so what? Violence is bestowed. What magnitude of violence is bestowed from gang activity on blacks compared to police activity?

47:50 What's the scale difference there? You know, we would have to really look. But intuition, at least from our standpoint, would probably say it's bigger the gang. Right. Yeah. By fucking magnitudes. Right. Difference. So be on again. That's probably something that's not reported in in statistics. You don't even need it to be reporting statistics. You just see it like you can like just take your time.

48:16 Let's go through a couple neighborhoods together and look it's fucking obvious what's happening, what's going on. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, look. Okay. No, no. Look at the amount of look at the amount of shootings that are happening that are gang related deaths, right? I mean, you compare that to police. Like the drive by the took my car out, I guess.

48:35 Yeah. Or the one guy that died at the park down the road from your. From your place? Well, yeah, in the same drive, but. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, same. Okay. There you go. And then I can show you the, the, activity reports and and death reports of people all around my neck, too. Yeah. Right. And so that doesn't even come close to the number of people getting killed at the hands of police.

48:56 Right? But then again, it's not even a, you know, it's like 1 to 1000, 1 to 10,000. We're talking about covering things up. Probably some cover up there too, as to who died. Oh, so you're saying a lot of the gangland murders are just cops taking people out? Not saying a lot of them. I don't believe that for a second, but I certainly believe some of them have been pinned on people.

49:16 I don't trust that I have never trusted police. I don't trust them. Never will. I don't trust them either. But that that kind of stuff is just too much. That's like to where? No, it's not how it is. Because what's happening is somebody was in the wrong neighborhood stepping on someone else's fucking turf. Right. Words were said and the guns came out and fucking.

49:36 You know, we have 50 witnesses. Say, what just happened? If it was a cop, you know, murder and somebody. Yeah. You know, but what you're saying indeed happens. Of course it does. Of course it does. But at what frequency? Right. Probably not a high frequency, but, you know, take a couple off the top every every city or every state.

49:56 Right. So we if we decouple black lives, we decouple that to American lives. Right. What's really attacking us? What's really, Right, right, right. Eroding the underpinnings of what could be a fairly healthy society. Exactly. What's really taking people out? The obesity epidemic by far. By far, I mean, people like magnitudes. More people die in car wrecks every year than, like, get taken out by police.

50:27 Wouldn't this be funny if, like, for some reason, we went viral? Got some. You got some people to listen. And then this is one of the things that contributed to our cancel cancel culture. So that'd be hilarious. Please, guys, if we get famous, let this be it. Let this be the linchpin. I'm on it. What's this? People to cancel?

50:47 Yeah, because really, ultimately, what we're trying to do is take a niche conversation, generalize and elevate and say, look, what affects everybody and and disproportionately low income Americans that poverty, you know, or in the grip of poverty, relational poverty like not poverty by global cameras, but poverty by relational standards. Yes, yes. In relation to the upper crust of the US, they are extremely in poverty, right?

51:17 I mean that that means you and I too. Yeah, it does scale. I mean, I'm, I'm lower middle class at best. It's just that's just a term. Take the actual dollar value that you make per year and put it on how far my money goes. Put it on a continuum. Right. Compared to like. So in other words, on the like 100 represents the richest American and zero represents the poorest American.

51:39 Right. And take your salary and see where you fit on that timeline. You might as well be at zero. Yeah, yeah. And same with me and same with like, everyone we know, right? I mean, you know, and we're not we're not. So ultimately we're not talking from our high horse guys. Absolutely not. We're talking from a space of we have Justin.

52:01 We're we're on high enough of a hill to see what some of the problem is. Yeah. And we both live in an area of the city where we hear gunshots from time to time. And I have police helicopters going overhead at least. At least, you know, same here a couple of weeks. And over this weekend, there was a massive police presence uptown, including my own neighborhood, because there's now an appetite for cleaning things up and that'll that this is cyclical in my neighborhood are the last week.

52:27 Then they'll cut it off for six weeks or four weeks and then come back and do it again. So George Carlin said, the ultra poor, they're just a scare. The share of the middle class. Okay. But the middle class is a is a is a misnomer by far, because there's absolutely no fucking chance in hell that you and I are in the quote unquote middle.

52:49 Right? Because in the middle, we'd be making several million a day, several million. The traditional middle that existed in the 40s and 50s has been gutted. Absolutely. There's there's the ultra wealthy and everybody else. And it started being perfectly clear. Yeah. Yeah. It's it really, truly is this the the wealth distributions like an L you know. Right. But see how the terminology shapes the idea in the mind.

53:14 So like the terminology middle class. Right. Just like the terminology of job creator. Right. Or or angel investor which I mean really it's so funny. Those are what are they. What would you call those when the word carries connotations of one thing. But really it means this completely different thing. Yeah. Like the Patriot Act. Right. You know, we can think of millions of examples, right?

53:40 Yeah, yeah. Like venture capitalist, you know, when culture capitalism is way better fitting, right? Instead of angel investor, we're talking, you know, evil. You know, whatever. Yeah. I mean, money grubbing, greedy fucker, money grubbing, middle level asshole who has too much money that shouldn't have it, right? Like, if, you know, in a just world, a lot of the people that have money shouldn't have it.

54:06 Correct. You know? But, I'm not about to Robin Hood anything. Yeah, well, it just wouldn't work. It wouldn't work if it worked, I would do it. Yeah, that's too much of a great, great line. I don't have problem with a great line. No, I mean, like, how do you actually make the determination of who's ethically right, you know, and that would be fully aware of the fact that I'm arbitrarily choosing basically no matter what criteria I put around it.

54:27 Yeah. And then we're like selfish, self-righteous, you know? Yeah, we're self-aggrandizing, self-righteous assholes who were taking resources from one person and arbitrarily giving it to another. And then if that's my mentality, we deserve to be poor within our same paradigm. Good point. Good point. Yeah. So back to this whole BLM and, you know, this idea. So people organizing around this, this topic that was the media, just the media produced, they found minted it.

54:53 They oh my God. Because it's great. It gets viewers right. And now watch this ad. And you know we know the game. But actually to there, there were elements of the community that were passionate about it, including some of our current, you know, city council people. Of course, it's Braxton Winston to of course, it's a it's a it's a topic that people can emotionally rally behind and, and and it gets votes.

55:24 Well. And Braxton Winston didn't have any intentions of political aim. The guy was a out of work, you know, anthropologist which I think those two are synonymous with each other. I probably just apologize.

55:41 Yeah. Song. There's something happening in here. Yeah, that's not right. He says in that he says in that song. Right. He says, they're singing songs and they're carrying signs, but mostly they're just saying hooray for our side. And that's exactly what it is. It's just people just saying, championing something. They just want to wave the flag.

56:01 They want to have be on that team. Right. Because that's natural. That's human. To be part of a group, be part of a collective that's just to be passing a building that is called the Collector. Wow. If we plan that shit, we'd be diabolically genius. And, yeah, you know, that's on camera, right? Should be like $5,000 worth of bike hanging there in the wide open on camera, you know?

56:26 But anyway, you know, it's it's so much of just that, you know, I would argue those are maintained by the apartment complex to maintain the image that they want. So when people do walk by her in the neighborhood, like I want a community like that, so they just buy more bikes every time they get stolen. God damn. You have diabolically clever mind missing your calling?

56:47 You should be in like, creative marketing. Oh, I thought about it like the like the the friendship. That's like really edge. Oh, God. Like love campaigns. Yeah. Not like standard. Like, you know, the guy who crazy glues his head to the steel beam and, you know, is supported by it. Not that kind of marketing like the kind that you were talking about.

57:04 Like planting these little seeds in the community to try to make a shape or perception. Oh, yeah. That's where you belong with your genius. Diabolic genius. Thank you, thank you. I take that ultimate compliment, but it also scares me. It scares me that you think it is a compliment.

57:24 Outstanding. Yeah. Anyway, back to the thing. So if you create an ordinal rank, like someone saying, hey, you know, I have this power of investigative journalism, let's say like, and I have 10 million listeners, right? So I have some amount of 10 million, 330 million people, approximately United States. Do you have an audience of 10 million? You know, you got to have 3.3 million have 1%.

57:46 Right? So you have was close to what I don't know what small percentage. It's still a really small percentage. Right. But even at that scale, that's a lot of people. That's a lot of influence. Right? Right. And so enough to consider yourself a critical influencer. There we go. That's another popular term at the time. Just you know you count that one.

58:04 Well thank you sir. Thank you. I, I appreciate your connection to what's cool. Yeah. And if it were true. Yeah, I would appreciate it. But anyway, so you have this influence, you have this audience, and you say, all right, people, look, let's, like, really commit ourselves to making some real change in our country. Okay? Let's, like, let's look at the stats, look at all the drug use, look at all the self-abuse.

58:28 People do look at the type of comfort foods people turn towards, the things that have just become ingrained in our culture that are highly destructive and severely erode quality. And ultimately, that's the thrust of this conversation. We were mentioning people who kill themselves. We were mentioning people who try to have multiple jobs so as to get out of the rat race, find meaning.

58:48 We were mentioning all of these things and they're all going in the same direction. Yeah, there is a theme here. Even it was unintended. Yeah. It was just like most of our shit, you know, like you can't actually draw the thread between most of what we talk about. Right? So imagine, you know, you have this like, platform where people are actually listening and you get people behind this idea of like, let's just stop and take a look at where we're at, okay?

59:10 Right. And then let's do an accurate assessment. State of the onion whatever. And then corporate buzzword warning. You know, sensitivity warning here. Find the low hanging fruit. Yeah. To dramatically improve quality of life and reduce suffering for people in America. So what's our MVP here? Right. MVP is definitely diet and lifestyle for for for for the that's the elephant in the room no doubt about it.

59:36 So what's hurting Americans the most is there there is an exercise. What do you do. You attack that with something like a free version of Noom that uses psychological principles to groom people into making better choices and meeting goals that they've stated? I think that the first step is to is to say that a 35 BMI or higher is not okay, like that's an illness, that's a that's a direct illness affecting that person.

1:00:04 Yeah. So I was in like so we had some more labels and then we put some action behind the labels. Yeah. Put some action in the community behind the labels. You know. And yeah. If technology some kind of technology layer can be applied to, you know, like make things better, then by all means let's do that. But let's be honest with the situation.

1:00:23 Well, let's look, I guess I'm saying if we want to engage people, let's be honest about how people can be best engaged. It's their phone, no doubt about that. And through some form of entertainment. Yeah. So gamify being better. And it's almost like we want to displace consumption, right? Right. So like if you can get people to consume healthy things, healthy alternatives to the typical thing they're consuming now, whether that be what they put in their mouth or what they put in their brain.

1:00:49 Right, right. If you can convert just 1 or 2, you remember. So I don't propose to be the final arbiter of what's healthy. But yeah, me neither. But I think if we get enough people together that are, you know, good intentioned and educated in this area, we could come up with some general idea. But yeah, we would need a steering committee that is maintained unto perpetuity.

1:01:12 Big words. Yes. So you're so smart. Yeah. I'm just see, I look at it like this. You use big words to allow yourself to be lazy, because you're basically using bigger Lego blocks to build the idea. I have to say less. I'm lazy.

1:01:31 And then for the people that don't can't understand the big words, it's like you. Then that's like a filter. Filter, right? You just filter them off because you don't want them anyway. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying that I know I'm saying it in a different thread. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, someone wants to listen to my blather.

1:01:51 Hell sure, it might be good. Like when you're hitting a car or taking a shit, you know, one of those kind of activities, right? Sitting down where your otherwise don't have an alternative, right where you're an applicant, a captive. Yeah, we are captain. That's a good one. Yeah. Where you're held hostage. Our podcast is perfect for those currently held hostage by a huge shit.

1:02:18 Or.

1:02:21 Stuck in their car with traffic and bad cell service. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've accidentally downloaded our podcast locally to their phone, so traffic and low fiber diets are our friends. We've just nailed down the demographic that's so. So when we do our target marketing, that's what we're going to have to worry about to target. So like middle aged men that, you know, have an obesity issue and, you know, according to their Food Lion.

1:02:48 A bonus card or whatever. Shopping. There's a lot of meat or those you spend large amounts of time in the bathroom and have crowns or IBS. Yeah, right. You know, if we if we can tap into the data, we'll do that too. And then people with ridiculously long commute. So we get their gas bill. That's how we tie it all together.

1:03:05 Yeah. Their fuel bill I like it. And then, you know, all of a sudden an ad pops up for positive reviews and boom, it hits that sweet spot. And I'm like, these people know me.

1:03:18 Does that Ron White joke or the guy? I was so funny. He's talking about like this. I don't know. It's just like, you know, we're he's for commentary. So yeah. It's fair. Yeah. He's like, you know, sitting there eating Cheetos on a beanbag, naked, watching TV. Oh, God. And the and the and the preacher comes on and he goes, you know, are you are you not happy with your life?

1:03:39 And he's like, yes. Are you naked right now? Sitting down in a bag of Cheetos? He's like, yes, right. He goes, do you want to send me some money? And he goes, oh, I thought he was talking about me.

1:03:55 That's so good. That's so good. We broke off at that point. Yeah. Damn. I love this car. What is it? Chevelle. Oh, continental. My bad. Continental, y'all. Nice. It's party. Yeah. It's like it's like 30ft long. It's great. It's like longer than my house is wide.

1:04:18 Damn. It's probably worth the same amount to. Yeah, it might be. Do you know where we're at right now? No. It's very nice. Yeah. Can you, journey back? Because I actually have to get going. Yeah. A lot of project cars around here. It's a really nice everything. You hear the buzz of that light? Holy crap.

1:04:40 Yeah. It's, that's like one that hasn't been converted to LED yet. Oh, yeah, it is. It's like classic. Yeah. It's like, you know, you have to worry about the snow on that one. You know, the thing with the LED stoplights up north is that they don't have the heat signature that the old you know who? Shit.

1:05:02 I never thought about that. Yeah. So when it snows and ices, sometimes they have issues with the lights not automatically melting snow off. Turn right. You won't believe that. You know, you're going down Lunsford place. Oh. Yep. All right. Oh, I'm taking a big risk trusting your GPS, but last time it got us there, so I'm going to trust it.

1:05:22 We'll see. Maybe there's been enough updates on my Google former flagship home, but former flagship phone. We know we're getting close to your place if we see busses again, right? My. Yeah, it really must be. My neighborhood is just like the land of busses. I don't know, it's like, your the the density of school age children in your area is like off the chart.

1:05:45 It has to be. So, Yeah. Anyway, I'm getting back to this thing because it's so important to me and I think it's critical. Critical topic is to be able to steer the narrative. Imagine the power to steer the narrative in the direction of, like, look, this is what we're suffering from, and let's find and these are some countermeasures to start changing this shit and keep drilling it, drilling and drilling it.

1:06:05 So because that's where we need what.

1:06:10 What I guess this is kind of crazy, but why do we think? Because we've mentioned a couple of times in all of our different talks, our government not being willing to be honest? Well, I think it would take for a governmental agency with clout to embrace what you're saying. Well, so I was saying that the club and the industrial complexes, right, are so, so entrenched in America that there's no real dividing line between where corporations and government against their one and the same.

1:06:43 Right. Got it. And so that's locked. That's locked. We've had over a hundred years now of this just entrenching it sure. Is that. No. Yeah, yeah. We're going straight. Yeah. We need an NGO that that has it's about a quarter mile to your next. It has engagement and has access to information and understand more. Understands the culture with in which they're operating.

1:07:16 Yeah. So I'm saying it has to be grassroots. It has to be grassroots, has to start from a massive grassroots counterculture. That's the way. But there again, you know, it's the very thing you decried a few minutes ago, which is, people flag waving and just wanting to be part of the team. We need it. Yeah. We need well, no, I was saying, okay, I'm saying people are doing that because within our nature, that's what I'm saying.

1:07:40 Yeah. And so a lot of people that are in the crowd waving the flag, it's just because that's a natural thing for us to do, to be part of it, to be part of something happening. Right. And so, yeah, absolutely. That's part of this is that we want people to rally on. Look, we're being poisoned, perpetually poisoned in this country, both in the mind from misinformation and in the belly, from a toxic fucking array of food.

1:08:05 The mind, our hearts are very essence. Yes. And wellspring of who America is. And fuck it. And fucking anybody that's not intelligent to know that's beyond personal choice. Okay? Personal choice is always a factor. It's always in the room. It's always a present thing. But it's not just personal choice. And arguably these people with this 4000 square foot home we're walking past is full of cameras.

1:08:27 They've exercised their personal choice and they've built lifestyle, but they only have so far. They too are on a leash and they only have so far they can go right. It's all it's all a matter of like all these, you know, really highly orchestrated connections of, you know, of, you know, these, yeah. Sorry. We're trying to trying to weave traffic here.

1:08:50 Trying to navigate the landscape of nearly silent new, new cars. Yeah, that was quite a shit. About 1000ft to your next turn. Yeah. It's another problem with electric vehicles is we have to get used to a new culture of, like, not being able to hear vehicles when we're pedestrians. Yeah, right. Because, like, most of them are whisper quiet.

1:09:11 At least you have the, the tire really feel to what you just said. Okay. Incandescent bulbs go ahead and take care of themselves in the cold and with the accumulation of ice. But LEDs don't, right? Same idea. Right. So when you, when you engineer like a new light system to like you're an engineer and your task to put in a much lower energy system save electricity for the government.

1:09:33 You know, for, you know, efficiency reasons. Right? You were part of your design, part of your use case wasn't. Oh, and it's going to melt the snow off, right? Right. Because nobody thought about that. Because it was just happening. Yeah. And that's my whole rant about technology to is that people aren't thoughtful enough. And so they're putting in all these kind of systems that have secondary you being a cog at the bottom of the machine.

1:09:57 We keep going and point one miles left onto Pinckney Avenue. We're not far. We're like, not too far away, aren't we? 20 minutes. Oh, shit. Yeah, we gotta go. Oh, shit. Susan. So you had to go to work early today, too. Oh, fuck. Okay. Where did we turn this podcast off and just walk? No, no, can't do that.

1:10:17 Well, maybe we wrap it up. We have been talking a while. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right. This is a long one. Okay, so let's just make this a continuation. Let's make a part two. Okay. Awesome. And in part one, due to time constraints. Fair enough.