0:00 I absolutely am curious about what dynasties there will be, or if there's already any tendencies to break our rhythms. Like for example, one of the reasons, and this might not be this might not be like such a, well, recent fear, but one of my fears of getting into subscriptions with music is that I don't want the algorithm to feed me what I'm listening to already.

0:24 I want to be curious, and I know that there are playlists and stuff, but like, sometimes I absolutely hate that I keep being fed the same thing. I can say that's why I refuse to subscribe. Yeah, no. So I have this is great. And then like, I get all these ads that are super annoying and I try to download music and then to download music.

0:42 Sometimes it's like a tricky if you want to use Google, you cannot do it anymore. Google stopped selling songs and albums then and now I mustn't heights it so that if you're on the app, you're cannot buy it through the app. You have to go on a website and then like blah blah, know you want a laptop because if you do it on your phone, it'll take you directly to the app.

0:59 It's like all these ways to hide you from buying songs and then like, it's kind of like this gaming of the algorithm just to cry. Yes, cries Everson, used to be all about DRM free music, and that was one of the big places to go to buy it. And now it's it's nearly impossible. Like you said. Yeah, yeah.

1:18 No, you have to go online on the laptop or a PC and then go on your Amazon account, and then you can browse music by it and download it without issues. But it's not you know, it's not up front. You have to like, work through it. And I'm wondering, I mean, like in the sense of like arguments and being gaming to like, you are playing this game and you're like, I don't want to play this game, you know, or I want to get this, but I don't want to be stuck in this game like I want to like here.

1:45 Some like, I don't know, I want to hear like what music they have in in Ukraine right now or Russia. And you can do radio and there are tools, but there sometimes if you're using you don't always maybe have these tools like somewhere in the car or something. And if you just go through your regular apps, you're not going to get it.

2:02 You're like trapped in algorithms and then like, so I wonder, like, how can you game algorithms, what ways can you like be breaking algorithms for news music, right. Everything so that the future is at the content generation is going to be so prolific in the artificial intelligence generative, you know, domain. Is that the you could have an entire what would now be the entire Spotify or music collection specifically made just for you?

2:30 Money on the fly? Yeah, for an amount for a month, for any amount. How do you how do you break out and connect to what have you considered genuine or real? Is what you're saying? Where do you find the tools to do that? Right. What I'm saying is, yeah, I'm saying that, and I'm saying the game itself, these layers of games that we were talking about are ultimately going to be displaced by the ultimate game generator and the new game generator in turn, because it's making anything, any derivative that you can imagine is then there for your consumption.

2:58 And so, like you're being named because of the volume of and diversity of what you have, you get exactly what you want. Specifically, you're saying, I don't want to be pigeonholed into a specific jara of music. I want to hear all this different stuff. I want to hear something to Ukraine, and it generates it and presents it. Yeah.

3:14 I'm thinking it's like, yeah, a genie is granting your wish, right? And so it's a new game because you're now dealing with the genie. And the only reason we're calling it the genie is because right now it's presenting this. Right now, people are being constantly diagnosed with AI and do psychosis. They believe because the AI mirrors their their feelings, amplifies theirs specialness.

3:39 They're there, you know, and it amplifies all the things that are all their mental illness, their bias. Yeah, they believe they're gods. Some people think they're just amazing. Whatever mental issue you've got. It's just going to mirror it and increase it. So it's a confirmation bias. But but but you can imagine this like generative bias right. So like is generating what you what you have a bias towards an inclination towards accepting as good or positive or what you want.

4:07 Right. And so then when that becomes generative endless, you're now attracting the matrix like you're in this brand new game. You're playing by a whole new game that you never stop coming. Right? So this this is actually kind of pretty old in terms of how the internet ended up doing that, instead of being just like this huge library for everybody to have all knowledge about available and to connect them across the world and break barriers, which is what they don't work out like that and they work out more like what you're saying now in terms of these algorithms and bubbles that just reinforce.

4:36 But yes. Yeah, yeah, these small town, these small town, effects happening to city dwellers through the lens of the internet, social media. So, for example, like someone thinks that because they're on social media, they're now tapping into the entire world. But what really, when you dilute it down there, tapped into a smaller bubble than they would have been even without the internet?

4:54 A filter bulb has gotten the guilt or bubble. Yeah, coming back to. And it's a safe space, right? Oh, you gamed yourself and you didn't realize it. Yeah. No, he's doing the opposite of what people thought the internet might do. But I'm wondering what you were saying at some point in the way that you were presenting AI, the generative AI, it seemed like you were talking about basically what I know.

5:16 I'm guessing suspecting this was something that definitely was feared in the beginning of the AI boom. And is that the monopoly thing? And I'm not talking about the game, but the thing of like, if you have one generative AI that uses music, books and everything for you, then the game not just chooses, but creates. Yeah, yeah. Right, right.

5:38 And creates. But then like of course, in terms of industry wise, because my question is always who's behind it? And if you have only one, let's see that ChatGPT is the one who rules everything because Amazon didn't get it, didn't get into AI, a game or like this other Gemini, they didn't do the Gemini and stuff. So that's why I'm guessing they're all trying to get it, because otherwise, if they don't play a role in the AI, you know, madness, they're going to be eaten up by one big AI.

6:05 It seems like that you were getting a little bit of at that one BK. I kind of like doing everything for you and creating a monopoly, or least a personal instance. It doesn't even have to be a monopoly. It could be a constellation of personal eyes that manage all these different pieces of your life. That could be the Amazon one is the one you choose to manage your music.

6:24 It could be the, you know, this other one, you know, and they could all carve up pieces like you're saying. So is your genie. Yeah. So they could all be different genies and own different markets, which is what they're trying to do or so. Right. So extinction and like, you know, environmental change for example, is is almost never done out of malice.

6:45 It's just displacement, right. When you look at nature. So like a lot of a lot of the species in this planet that have gone at state is because human activity has displaced their habitats, and human activity didn't displace their habits out of malice. It wasn't because they hated the spotted owl. You know, you know, you know some subspecies of the spotted owl in this neck of the woods.

7:07 We just needed the lumber because we had a housing crisis. Right. So we displaced the, the, the habitat, not out of malice because of our, our needs or our perceived either perceived or real right. Had and then led to activities was in displaced and extinct. Did this other species. Well you can imagine like just that same concept extrapolated to almost every domain of our lives.

7:32 Right? So it's like you like a specific just go back to the music thing. Right? So all of a sudden this, this exactly what you could best thing you could ever imagine as far as, like the kind of music that you'd be exposed to, new music, new ideas, thoughts, all this. So great, I love it. Sounds good at all in it.

7:47 It's all generative. Imagine it's all generated for you. It just displaced then all the other music that's out there in the world. So it didn't do it out of malice. It tried to do give you what exactly what you were looking for. And it did. It succeeded. That was the best you could find anywhere. Right. But the genie granted that wish, but in the process displaced all the other.

8:07 But this is this is what bugs me. It's like this is what bugs me about the generative thing, though. It's like, okay, you you don't want it necessarily. Part of you exploring new music is not just I want new and novelty. It's I want to know what other people are listening to. I want to shared experience. I want to dig into that generative AI, if it's making it for you, steals that from you.

8:32 And so thereby, I would think to some degree, you know, in some situations you are going to want bespoke generated new bullshit. I know I'm not. Fuck you. You better stop that. Yeah, I'm going to want instead the Star Trek version of it where, hey, it's the 24th fucking century, and I'm listening to fucking 1930s jazz. Yeah. You know.

8:53 Yeah, I think that. I don't think it does that. I don't think it does. I, I think that what happens is like the, the system realizes your sensibilities. Right. And this is what do you think about this, this, this and this. And then you start, you know, then then here's a it will expose to you. This is a piece of generated content we think you might like.

9:11 Try it out, see what you like. And then it's got you Peg. You look at it, it's like, this is freaking great, boy. And then over time, it starts to change your sentiments without even trying. It's just trying to give you your water rights. But I'm trying this. I'm raw from the pool of human experience. I don't give a fuck if I made a funny ass song or a good country song.

9:31 I don't give a shit, I want that, I want. So the reason I listen to music and the reason I'm not subscribing is because I want to have some control that agency over what I'm listening to, what I'm diving into. I don't want to find communities who are listening to things or experiencing things. I want to draw from that pool of human experience.

9:49 Generative music steals that for me. But I still listen to some generative music and I'm like to be a component. But I guess I'm saying I don't necessarily think generative is going to take over just because it gets me, quote unquote, what I want, because it might not give me what I want, which is human connection and understanding.

10:09 Being a member of a tribe, being able to go to a show and say, you guys like this band too, you know, feel like, well, it was just it might just show you the illusion that you belong to a tribe. That's true. That's that. And it could do that. And he could do that better than has ever been done.

10:24 But it's not that. It doesn't mean that it's good. Of course, I keep thinking about the cow. I haven't the awareness of like because the I mean and again, of course, you know, AI generation, I mean generative AI, AI, it's, it's it really matters like in what context and where are you using it and what for. Right. You know, there's a huge difference between using it for cancer research and using it just to I want to create art and post it on the wall.

10:51 And I'm going to use all the art from you that may not pay them assent. And I'm going to sell that, and I'm going to make money in the Silicon Valley. There's like a big gap between that and doing AI. You know, AI, you know, for cancer right now in in terms of like consuming, as, you know, in algorithms and tastes and stuff, I'm thinking that it's similar to there's this book that I read back in the 90s called for arguments for the elimination of television.

11:18 So it touches upon that's that's just what it doesn't say eliminated completely. But it's these are the arguments, you know, almost a play of arguments of why and going and now it's eliminated, but for not those reasons. But one of the arguments made in that book, by the way, the authors called gerrymander. Yeah, yeah, not with a G, but with a J.

11:41 Yep. Gerry. And anyways. But, one of the things like, there was one one the ones he mentioned that there was one channel at some point that just was playing a fixed camera video on the shore of a sea. That's it. Not doing anything else. And then one of the things that he was kind of like questioning in terms of, like the experience that you get when you consume and also us forgetting, sorry, us forgetting how much of this is second hand.

12:13 So it's not that you watch documentary of National Geographic and you're not letting learning something about nature, but also keeping that awareness that there is a second hand process here that is not allowing you to have like the experience is not the same as you're learning it in person. Yeah. And of course, I mean, it makes all the sense in the world, but then we can forget that and we feel like we obtain truth, hard truth by a documentary.

12:40 Right? And we forget how much there's an intermediary. Same thing, I think, with AI, when you, like, look up a search and I'm like, I'm searching. I'm pure truth now, right? Right, right. Okay. I'm looking up medical stuff all the time because I'm checking out churns that are new or I'm refreshing stuff for the interpretation that I'm doing for the patients.

13:00 And then I find myself with the AI popping up, telling me already what it is, and I'm like skipping it quickly. And even if it's telling you the same thing that the Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic is telling me, or John Hopkins is telling me, I least I'm going directly to the source, and I am eliminating a risk of other stuff that is putting in there that I cannot confirm at the moment.

13:24 It's almost kind of like when you watch YouTube and take it as a fact, without with no bibliography. With no quotes of any sources. And then you don't know like they tell you like the ten most dangerous, you know, roads in the world. My dad will be watching that and I'll be like, I was there in China. It's definitely not that it dangerous like you're lying to you.

13:43 This was clickbait right? So the the game information here is that you can say to somebody is that social media, in its aggregate, is the primary source of missing disinformation in modern society today. You can state that and show that the empirical data that proves that as a fact that you can ones to that that's a that's a failure, that's that that that we we use that as a basis of fact.

14:05 Right. Because we have data that supports this claim. And then you say to that person, okay, now let's let's evaluate now that you have that information, let's evaluate where you get your information from. And then it's determined in the aggregate that that person gets the majority of the information from social media. Right, right. And then you put those two things together in the person and then you say, okay, I'll see you later.

14:30 We see your friend six months later and they're still doing the same thing. Well, that's because they've been gamified where they've, they've their mind has been gamed. You gave them the clear facts of, you know, you could even ask, do you want to use the primary source of disinformation as your primary source of information? Is that something you want to do in your life?

14:51 Right. And they'll say, no, of course not. That's ridiculous. That would be a terrible mistake. Okay. But then you look at what people are doing collectively, right? What they're spending your time doing and what they're actually doing is that's exactly what they're doing. Yeah. And so it. Right. So that's exactly what I'm saying. And so we're the game of is in full effect.

15:11 Well and I'm just using the actual to prove it. Not even saying let's jump into the algorithms and look at how some of these things work and whatnot. We don't even need to. We just need to look at the net, the the actual like what's actually happening, like what the net effect is of these different technologies. And when you do that, you realize that it's a game.

15:29 It's a game of of the human mind and imagination and it's and it's here, they're ready and I'm done. What I'm saying. Once we change courses in that direction now, the people that are doing that have more potent tools and the not so distant future to use to to amplify that even more. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. We need to be careful that that's all.

15:47 We're that's all we're saying. We're taking what is now the mirroring that llms do the delusion creation that social media and Elon's do the myths and disinformation that they currently do. And we're extrapolating out, we're saying this is the path. And but like you're saying, we have to be careful with our sources. We have to skip the AI overview or eliminated entirely.

16:10 But it's the dash AI to the Google search or whatever it may be, and we have to keep seeking out the citation, the bibliography, the true source. We have to understand, great critical thinking. We have to smell a whiff of that base AI and say, hey, that's just there to keep me engaged. And, you know, go with something else.

16:33 We have to put time controls around ourselves. We have to have accountability partners, like you mentioned. I mean, all this stuff there, they're all this a mass of tools should help us. Correct. So the way I understand it now is that it's there are certain drugs that are on the market. You have to part of the drug when you prescribe the drug to somebody in the medical industry, right, is that the drug has to disclose the side effects of the drugs, have to disclose by law, like when you go get your prescription filled, you get a big piece of paper that comes with the and it talks about all the effects of the drug, and

17:04 it also talks about the side effects. And right, it's it has it by law that has to be disclosed. But when when you're on these other systems, these other games. Right. Is it the rules and the disclaimers are not in present at all. In fact, there's no disclosure. Like who? Tell me the last time you've been disclosed on how scrolling your favorite social media platform, the effect, how that actually works.

17:28 Like show me where that's ever been in your entire life, disclosed you exactly how psychologically that works and how the algorithm is. You know, there's there's no nothing whatsoever, even on the horizon that says, you know, this this information has to be disclosed for the individual so they can make a rational choice. Our education and laws that kept up with the game application.

17:51 And I and I use the metaphor of a loaf of bread, bread baking and Ryzen. Is that it? It expands above the the parameters of the pen, right, the head or whatever it's called, the, the top of the loaf as it's baking and the yeast is rising and it's, you know, the carbon dioxide gas is blowing it and blowing it up.

18:11 It grows so fast that there's like fissures even created in the bread as it breaks crusts and breaks. Right. You get these like, big fissures and cracks in it. Right. Well, this is what technology is doing on all fronts. And there's so many fissures because it's expanding so fast. It's faster than even bread breaking, bread baking. And then all those little fissures are impossible for humanity to keep up and make all the laws in those gaps of this great technological expansion.

18:37 I call it the Third Renaissance. What we think we're in right now, right. And this in this third Renaissance and this great technological expanse, the void spaces of cognitive blind spots of humanity collectively, are so vast as impossible for any body, any government body or anybody at all, even with any kind of technology tools to keep up with the pace of the expansion.

18:58 And so it becomes like a wild, wild west of like, for all intents, for practicality purposes. No, no holds barred, like anything goes. Oh, it sounds crazy to think. Yeah, it sounds crazy to me of talking about a renaissance in terms of the the equivalence of the Renaissance back in the like, you know, 15th century terms of, you could say like changes in terms of paradigms in society, from back then, you know, whatever information was back then to now with the huge risk of misinformation or people not looking at the sources.

19:37 And this is and I think that there's way more to come. Like you, you know, like you're trying to think into the future. I'm, I'm also thinking like, well, AI right now what it's doing, it's kind of like it's not doesn't go that long and it's not socially like, it's not such a big artificial intelligence. You know, you can definitely develop an evolved much more than what it is right now.

19:59 Sure. And in terms of doing, it's kind of like serving some purposes to an extent and in part of like the limits of it is not so far from what we've had already in terms of just algorithms. And for example, you know, thinking about sources whenever you go to Wikipedia, you like, if you go to college, you happen to me being in college, like I was reminded, I hate if you read whether you read that, oh, Wikipedia, that's not a source.

20:23 And then where? And then like what I learned was like, okay, I can look up with cathedra because Wikipedia will give me a lead, me at least to some sources that I can then Robert you so like those are side of all sources. So like if I and sometimes I even do that we ai AI will tell you something and I'm like, okay, this is what Bob who knows what he's if he knows what he's saying.

20:49 He's telling me he's nobody for me. That's how I treat the AI. This is Bob telling me this. Is he right or wrong? I don't know, let me see. And then, like, I then I look at the sources. Well, well, Bob saying that it's coming like this disease is this and this and that. And then let me say what the John Hopkins says.

21:04 Okay. So it seems like Bob bubbles right on that. So, you know, it's okay to but then having that awareness of like that's not your final source. Yes. I should not be your final arbiter. AI should not be your single source of truth. AI might be a starting point. AI might be a place to try to learn it about something, or filling gaps about something you're already expert on, but do not, and you might use it as your first port of call like you used Wikipedia, but you need to go other places, so in every single domain, you can take the time to really research and get all the credible sources and figure one tiny

21:43 threat and one of these end points out and have it accurate. Meanwhile, all these other endpoints that are majorly affecting your life have now also just continued to go without your scrutiny because it's not possible to scrutinize because of the the vastness is so large and expanding so quickly. No mind or imagination or technology tool can possibly navigate through.

22:06 But like with this, with this level. So the only way, the only way to my mind, the only real solution of it is to go back to the core pragmatic truth, like the foundational elements and say, that's a that's the limit to which I can go, like, like I said, my health, my wellness, my family, my, you know, the basics, right?

22:26 I can I can get those in the right Truth Center and gain those right for myself. Right outside of that, I have to let go of trying to think that I'm going to be able to navigate all this rest because it's beyond the mind, any human being, it's way beyond the mind. What the rich avoids done is make systems.

22:43 And we keep talking about systems, whether we're talking about games, whether we're talking about programs, whether we talk about LMS, whether we talk about social media. So the rich to manage their lives, created systems that other people managed well. In this instance, we are probably tending towards creating systems that are own, that our own LMS or Agis artificial general intelligence is managed.

23:08 That's what I think has to happen if we're ever going to use the tools to get ourselves ahead of it, is I think we need to use the tools to say, these are my core values of importance outside of that filter it, filter, filter. For me, every other distraction that detracts me from these corbels. And I'm saying, yeah, it will be ideal to kind of like attack it in every possible way to safeguard, you know, safeguard from the dangers of this.

23:32 Right. So I'm thinking like if you have a I generating text, it will be great. If the AI did what Wikipedia does that it will highlight, have a link to every reference like it has. Like if it says this, it'll give you a footnote. Like you watch YouTube videos, even like medical YouTube videos. And then they will not.

23:51 They can talk to you and they can be respectable. But then like who looks at the description to see for any sources like right quotes actually sources tells you like this study about vaccines here. This study about this over here. Look it up over here. Like how many look it up. No. Did you just trust whoever you trust that is saying right.

24:08 And then like the but then like including that in the process I think will be a great tool within the system. Like playing the game like including that will help. And then also what you're saying in terms of like going to the four, I'm just thinking like also like exercises in terms of like our analog life, you know, go get lost in the library to you want to expand your knowledge, just go to the library and just be surprised.

24:33 So library is the best source. The books are the best, most accurate source of information that we know of. Like statistically it's the most accurate because people put their own, they put themselves in the book, they write their name on the cover. They've done the vetted research, all this stuff. Right? Yeah. There's so books still remain the most.

24:49 And they used to is an accurate form of and it was reputation Amazon will sell you. No no no. It's a you know they will send you a generated with old school and old school books. There was also reputation risk. Your name was on it. You were also sure to it. Yeah. Actually I did buy a generated book by mistake because I just thought I just it was the only Portuguese.

25:14 No, I think it was the only like book that I found on Amazon to learn for cookies for Spanish speakers. But I think, like, I'm not gonna get over here, right? Because like, over here, they're like, I'm it's going to be for English speakers. Sure. And then when I got it, I found that it had no publisher at all.

25:29 And I didn't read it at all. I just like I just returned it. And then when they returned it, they said, you don't need to return, it will return you the money. And it just went into the recycle of the. So I really like to know about the colonial experience of Portuguese women that were we that traveled with their men in seafaring vessels during the colonial period.

25:47 Right. Let me hallucinate something for you. Yeah. Right now, like Amazon has a book that is exactly that from a credible author. And but the whole thing is, was just generated from your search. I mean, like, this isn't hard to do. This is like, right. They're ready possible now. Yeah. Right. And then and then you. Oh that's really interesting.

26:05 Let me, let me peruse it and it generates it right before you peruse it. And it's exactly it has your profile. It's exactly what you were looking for and what you want to hear. Click by now and the thing comes. And in the future we would even need to know, like, you know, you might possibly not even know that the whole thing was just generative without really digging down that rabbit hole.

26:25 But now that's just one more thing that you now had to divert your time and attention to. It becomes method. It's too. It would take too much of a time commitment. Then there is time to navigate the truthfulness or falseness, if you will, or just generative reality that you're interfacing. I did say, I think we have to have tools to verify the veracity of something we have to seek.

26:48 We have to have something to help us seek truth. Right. So what I'm saying, Sean, is like, people will go down this rabbit hole on YouTube for 12 hours. Binge. Yeah, yeah. And about vaccines. Okay. Right. Come up with the wrong conclusion after that 12 hours most likely. Right. Most likely come up with the wrong conclusions. And then the mayor and.

27:10 Yeah. Right, right, right. And made a conclusion. Let's say that vaccines are full of somersault and mercury and they're made some chicken eggs and there's allergies and the Jews space lasers. Right. And they come up with these wow conclusions and are adamant now and have a belief system in place. But they have a 35% BMI. And so what happens is that we are distracted.

27:33 We're gamified away from the core things that matter to us, that really matter, that will truly affect the game of our locks. By allowing ourselves to be gamified into these rabbit hole systems that are just there to extract time and attention. Because how many ads did you watch the course of of the 12 hour binge watching on YouTube, right.

27:52 Probably 1000/8002 of or however you probably watched like five per video and videos. 30 minutes. You know, you probably watched what, 112 hour of insects made an impact on you, and now you might be more likely to buy Welch's White Greg juice, which I was bringing up because I saw I saw a commercial for that with Alton Brown 100 and something done.

28:18 I will never buy Welch's white grape juice ever. And it knows that. Now for me, it's it's it's honed its profile now of you as a result of you not buying. So I think it's all you're providing data every time. If you skip the ad, it does data. Right. The fact that you watch the 12 hours of immunization is now in your profile.

28:37 Yeah. You see what I'm saying. So I'm guessing at some point I did watch too much of that emu from Liberty. Sure. Keep getting it. Just keeps killing, man. Now, is Liberty your insurance provider? No, it's not okay. That's the thing they want to be. Yeah, they really real by that. That was trying to convince me a generator so I don't know limu.

29:00 So like the the data that you really are repulsed by the limu emu could be information that they can send to all state. So then they call you on the phone stock to you about Allstate insurance that's now ready for. Because you bet your pulse open with the Braves. We're not the only moon. Well, I don't think they are on that phrase.

29:20 I think they open behind the scenes that you don't know about the edge that that you're revolted by that. So they use a different sales tactic now and voted by this one because, yeah, that's what was done is data. Everything is part of the game of occasion, right? Right, right. So if everything is gamified, all of these things plus or minus, he was like, oh, I'm not giving anything to him.

29:41 Okay, let me see your phone. Eight hours scroll lost yesterday. You get eight hours of your labor of your attention and your time to this social media platform. Are you telling me you gave them nothing? Right. Okay. You gave them your location. You gave them your microphone. You gave them your video camera. Look at the end user license agreement.

29:58 You gave them all this anecdotal data. You gave them information about things that you wouldn't even believe, that you gave their information not just where you were, but how active were you, where you said it area where you. And now they know that you're sedentary, and they probably know that your BMI is 35, and they probably know these are dealing with these health related issues.

30:14 And now you start seeing ads for certain drugs they didn't even know existed. And so it said that the algorithm knew they were pregnant before they knew. Yeah, they're seven ads for prenatal vitamins. He's like, what the hell? Yeah. It's like, oh, I'm telling you slow for my period. And I thought, you know what was so funny? I thought at some point I started like, you know, shaking out some content on Facebook, and I started getting so much like, liberal liberal stuff that it seemed like Facebook thought that I was a black lesbian woman, like, because I would get some.

30:50 And I say this because it was at some point it felt like that, because it seemed to be like some, some of the things that I would see were like, just for women. And I'm like, what's going on with the algorithm? But like, as feminist as I am, I am not a woman. Yeah. It's like the fact that I'm a feminist doesn't mean that I'm a woman.

31:10 Then on top of that, I've always joked with Chris that I used to in years past, I didn't participate that much on Facebook. I've had it up, unfortunately, this year, but I the Facebook ads I used to get, I swear to God, it must have thought I was an old ass retiree that needed a walk in tub and a whole bunch of other shit.

31:29 I would get ads for This old house, Bob Vila, and home repair stuff I'm going to add for walking dubs, kitchen remodels. You're going to get ads for tools and home stuff. Yeah, sometimes you get out them. Makes you think like, what did I clean? What did I clean? No, you're going to go to an Airbnb one day.

31:46 They're going to have a walk in tub and you're going to fall in love.

31:50 You're going to find out that although you are a, you know, male and you're we're going to find out that you have a conversation with my wife about some surgeries or something. Always going to find out that you truly I get as a lesbian.

32:06 Be joking about being a lesbian for a long. It's like, oh yeah, it's a good thing you're saying, hey, can we get that? I gotta wrap this up. I got a good enough. So, Yeah. So the conclusion of the conversation is that, you know, we've uncovered a lot today. Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And we've explored some really deep dimensions and layers of gamification of of life.

32:27 And I think that I would just conclude by saying that, like, I think that it's definitely a truism to say that if, like, we focus on the primary game, that we play this game of flying our own lives to our own benefit, play that game first and foremost, and we treat it as such. Right. And we gamify it for ourselves.

32:47 And it's a game we really focus on winning. We'd be really well off because that would minimize that will displace the negative effects of some of the other games that that other people's games that were in play. Right. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yes. Yeah yeah yeah. Like take care of your health. Play that analog game for sure. I'll take care of your health, emotional and physical, and go get lost in the library.

33:11 I love it, dude. That's a great conclusion. It's a great conclusion. And one other micro conclusion here is that, like, our children are well served by learning games that age. I love games in play. Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, we've been doing this this entire time. We've heard in the background our kids playing, which is which is not only wonderful to know, but it's part of being human.

33:34 It's just delightful to to to hear children at play, the patter of hill feet and laughter and background. And so it shows that games in themselves is intrinsically core to our spirit of who we are. Like, as right as a, as a, as a species. Right. Like the, the, the gaming and kids at play gaming is just so graphite.

33:55 Right. And we need that to we need to have fun too and laugh. Yes. And when you say that designation instead of being was homo goodness and. Yeah, that was the Dutch. Yeah. I think it was much but so. And I can't help saying one more thing. Sorry I talk a lot tonight, but, it's a topic I am passionate about.

34:16 So this, this whole, you know, conversation with gaming, bringing all kinds of full force is that one really, really critical thing in my life that I've learned. And I'm not like some old wise man on the hill yet. But, you know, hopefully this is a piece of wisdom is that I know, when I have people in my life that are are on my side, are playing, or want to see me win my game right when they win something, when I get a win in one of the games that I'm pursuing, when I win a game of some kind.

34:46 They are genuinely happy. So I think that is the easiest filter to know. Like, you know, who who is really worth your time, is worth having in your game and who celebrate your who celebrates your wins? Yeah, exactly. Even, you know, you know particularly well when, when even if one of your wins to some extent is a loss for them.

35:11 That's even a next level. So then you know you have a true person that's genuinely, you know when they mean like a real human being that cares about you, loves you. Yeah. If even if a win for you even indirectly is a is a micro loss for them, they're still genuinely happy. That's how you know you're playing the right games.

35:31 Good point. And so I would I would give that advice to anybody is like you know when you get a wing who's on your side who celebrates that, who celebrates you genuinely not just split service but who genuinely celebrates that. Yeah. And who serve you to the next winning. Hell yeah. And then conversely, you know who you really love when they get a win and you feel good, right.

35:53 And and that ultimately you know for sure. And so that's a way to pinpoint who you really care about and really love in your life is when you see somebody else win heart of their game. Right? And you feel damn good about it. You know that you love that person. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was fucking awesome. Thanks for it.

36:09 Thank you, I appreciate it. Yeah, man. Any time, we'd love to talk about something again.