0:00 Yeah. There we go.

0:03 I was listening over, you know, so I screwed up the 20th. I guess I ended up in a 37 K file. Oh, okay. Yeah, we'll make it work. We'll see. What. So the website lets you put on, like, what's called the bonus. Oh. So, like, maybe if we have, like, a fragmented day or something, we just throw it in a bonus or no reason why one can't be small.

0:28 Well, I'm saying I don't know if there's not really nothing in it. Oh, okay. I don't know what happened. Whatever. I thought it was a calling. Yeah, it's, you know, it's not a perfect system. Yeah, it was our best episode ever. Just leave it at that. Keep everyone guessing at what that content might have been. Oh, we'll never know either.

0:51 That's what I was going to say. My, My ancient and decrepit mind has completely forgotten what we talked about that day.

1:00 Dude, I was listening over to the previous podcast, and you know how you, like, just naturally just don't like your own voice on recording? Oh, I mean, it's just this is. Come on. It's kind of like how it is. It's like you don't like your own picture sometimes. Yeah. It's cringey. Yeah. Or, like, truthfully revealing. Yeah. Who knows?

1:16 Oh that's it, that's it. But, you know, I was thinking, like, half the shit that I say would probably be a lot more compelling if I didn't have this fucking voice. You know, don't I feel that so much? I was thinking that last night when you played about 10s me talking, I was like, oh, God give you out of here.

1:35 I was like, I was like, those words don't sound bad together. They just sound bad coming from my voice. Yeah. So I was thinking that, like, you know, there's all this technology. You know, it's like, nah, it's, you know, it isn't right. You can speak like Yoda. I'll speak like, I don't know. And all of a sudden, like, you know, people like the best podcasts I've ever heard, you know, in a, you know, it's funny too.

1:58 It's like, you know, the voice has to fit the the thing, like, fit the role, right? So true. You know, if you're like, a command sergeant major or whatever, you know, you'd probably want to have a commanding voice or, you know, like a nice, nice, deep, gravelly. Just smoked a cigar voice here. You, you know. Then you have like other, other times where it just doesn't fit.

2:20 But sometimes it's like creepy, you know, like, you know, I have, like, a mike Tyson, for example, you know? How you doing? My my defense is impregnable. Eat your heart. It's like. No, I don't think so, buddy. But then he does think he punches you, right? Punches you or bite your ear off Andrew Holyfield, And then next thing you know, like, maybe, that voice was a signal.

2:46 He's got that power somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, maybe it was just kind of God's joke to go ahead and give him that voice. Give him that voice. So I got. I'm scared even, like, like spoofing this guy. Like, you know, this guy is fucking terrifying. He's gonna show up with his face tattoo and rockets. Fucking guy. Can one punch my head off?

3:03 You good, though, you know? And, it would probably not feel bad about it. I I've always wondered if you had any ability to think or process the world. I bet. I mean, I think I probably pretty fucking smart. Do you think so? Yeah. Dude, did you watch that cartoon? Cartoon Network made of him? Yeah, it it is great.

3:25 It was. That was so funny, wouldn't it? Dude? Oh, my God, I still I'll still cry thinking about that. That's just cry laughing right there. Yeah. So, like, who knows? Maybe the guy's a fucking genius with a great sense of humor. And, like, all that's part of one big, you know? Yeah, we're talking about him. Yeah, I don't know.

3:45 His name's in our mouths. Don King is his bitch. Dude, there's a my girlfriend's, neighbor. He had a lot of weight on him for a little while. He was like a these guys, like, a multiple times, you know, champion, you have C fighter? Well, he looked a lot like. Like I used to call him Mike Tyson's understudy.

4:08 Okay. And they looked a lot like they sounded nothing alike, thank God. But, you stripped a bunch of laid off and started training again. Looks nothing like the dude now. That's cool. Good for him. I love it and love hearing those success stories, man, he's this guy has he owns a freaking vodka distillery. He owns like, all kinds of crazy stuff.

4:36 Cool. It's like, why are you living in this apartment? And don't buy his vodka. Kick your ass. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. Sales. By intimidating, I mean. But he's, He had found out that, you know, Gavin was into wrestling, so he used to do wrestling as well. He was. He showed up to the school, so he challenged him.

4:58 No, no, he showed up at the school, got cleared to, you know, attend the practices and help coach the kids. Oh, okay. Taught some stuff and yeah, for about two weeks off. Came in every day and was teaching them judo grappling moves. Was teaching them wrestling moves. That was awesome I mean cool. Yeah. Sounds like a pretty decent guy all the way around.

5:21 That's nice. Definitely, definitely. He's a good dude. He's also a DJ. Okay. Why not? Why not? Right. You just explain why the apartment. He's got 50 grand DJ equipment with no. With no gigs. Book, right? Right. Just kidding. Sure. He's fine. He has, like, a, He has a security business where, you know, all kinds of stuff. So he's doing something insecure.

5:50 People with security business, right?

5:55 Good morning, sir.

5:59 So, you know, imagine if imagine if Tyson, the boys actually, like, sit the fucking the body and the, you know, the the brutality. Yeah, yeah. You sound like fucking Batman. Yeah. My defense is a friend, you know, like some kind of, like, fucking devils. Like right there. His eyes are on fire. Yeah, like just evil personified. So imagine, like, you know, that, if the voice did match, if that, like, intimidated people.

6:24 Even more like when he was at his peak, you know, he won so many fights because actually. What the voice. No. Like, no. Yeah. The dog at the door and everybody standing there or was that just happened to be this morning. Yeah. That was okay. Definitely. But you know, you can imagine like so so, you know, other boxes were scared of fighting.

6:49 You know, that's like he'd one so many boxing matches because of the fact that like going out and just instantly destroying somebody. Right. Yeah. So understandable. Yeah. And, you know, until he started losing, his confidence was like incredible, you know, like so I don't know if it was genuine, but it look that way. I mean, sure as hell did, you know I mean his record shows God he was at the top of his game, right?

7:15 Yeah. So, yeah. So I can warm up this other hand. Okay. Yeah. Like, what's going on? What is he doing? Yeah. My defense is in.

7:28 Your heart.

7:31 I mean, the dude. But I wonder so many aspects of him. He. He loves pigeons, you know. Oh he did. Yeah, he actually did. Not just on Mike Tyson's ministry. Okay. So that's what. That's it. Okay, I got it, I got it. Okay okay okay. Yeah. And he would like. Sure. Brace pigeons and win. Right. It feeds them so they slow slow them down.

7:56 Well, no, no, he wouldn't raise them. Pigeons would raise other pigeons. Pigeons that he owned would race. Oh, okay. Okay. Interesting. You know more about him than I do, I think. I haven't heard much about him lately, but anyway. So I wonder, though, if, like that voice did, if he had, like, this kind of fucking evil, you know, demon voice.

8:12 If that would have even helped him even with a few more, you know, like maybe, maybe even further bolster their confidence. We probably would have. But it also would have, you know, I mean I yeah I, I think that would have been neat. That would have been neat to hear him with like the absolute evil voice. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

8:34 Did I have a fucking bonus? It's like this beautiful sliver moon out this morning, right? Oh, shit. Yeah. And, like, you know, my stigmatizes makes me enjoy it twice. Lets me enjoy it twice. Yeah, look at it. There's a fucking after image. So it's like we have two months before. Welcome to welcome to Alderaan, young Luke. That's so awesome.

8:54 Fucking stupid. It's like. And you know, they can't fix it. You know, try to get glasses. There's, like, no real, you know. Yeah. It's one of those things they just haven't been able to do anything about. Whatever I hope. Yeah, I know that there's really only one moon, so therefore I can overcome this disability.

9:15 And the after image is, you know, it's like you can sort of ignore it. Maybe we'll have, like, some kind of savant eye doctor as one of our listeners and hear here, like, I can help him. I get a phone call. My life changes. It's like, actually, that's going to solve a problem for a couple of years in research.

9:29 In the research. Yeah, yeah. You don't need to live with that deficiency anymore. I love you.

9:37 All. I'll be there tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. Oh, wait. Do you have insurance? Well, I'm not sure. Sure how far I can go. I can maybe, like, make the after image halfway needed. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. On this budget. Oh, wait. I'm doing this for free. Yeah, right, right. I don't pay for delivery. Oh, yeah? What was that shit? That was funny.

10:04 So, for a topic today, I wanted to talk about, humanity. Like, whether or not we're actually whether human beings are animals or not. Right. Like, quote unquote animals. And, you know, like the the quick short answer is yes. Right. Biologically speaking. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but, I think there's like a way to say no to that, you know.

10:26 So I want to talk about that for. Okay. I guess it's a matter of whether or not you consider the term animal to be an overloaded pejorative or. You're right. First and foremost, that's just a word. Just like everything else. So you'd have to get some definition around it. Right, right. We'd have to put connotations around it. Are we?

10:46 And it seems like we're tending towards negative connotation here. One brow. Oh. In our culture, it. Is that right? Like so. You know, Adam names the animals type thing. So our in our Christian rooted culture, animals have a pejorative. Yeah, yeah. You know, Noah had to save all those dumb beasts. Yes. You know, God, not only was I a caretaker of them, but I named.

11:10 Yeah, we named them. And then. Then decided which ones lived in the flood. Because there's no way, no matter how big that boat was, every fucking species was on that boat. Right. You have. You can have, like, fucking 6 million cubic. I did hear a great reply. Oh, boy. Here we go. You know, so somebody who's like, well, what did they feed the lions?

11:30 And they're like, oh, the floating body is the dead centers. Be some. Yeah. Right. But, you know, the population wasn't quite the same, so you probably wouldn't come across a dead center. It wouldn't happen all that often. And then, you know, all the all the fish species would just have had a feeding frenzy, right? So, you know, you have to consider that they'd have to, you know, the lines might be a little short supply of all the all the sharks and whatever.

12:03 If you go by some of the other crackpot theories, some of the mega Dylans that were still there, right? I mean, those things sort of made some short work. If you agree that humans and, dinosaurs were contemporaneous. Yes. They weren't. Exactly. Exactly. And so, well, you know, they were, you know, it depends on who you ask.

12:22 Yeah. Yeah, if you ask me, you know, I think the geological record is pretty clear that they weren't right. But, you know, hey, belief is, all over the place. Yeah. And that's it. Today we are compelled. Damn, this smells awful. That's like straight sulfur. It does smell of gas. Yeah. Somebody needs to die. Don't write a fucking match in that place.

12:47 Hope no one's dead. Yeah. That looks like it's under construction. It's a dead, bloated person. Check the fucking police scanner later and see. See if there was an explosion. And she's a North Davidson area. Charlotte. That was a lot. That's pretty strong. I definitely would have called someone if I lived near there. So, Yeah, this idea of, like, you know, are we animals?

13:11 I guess the first definition. Like, if you go by taxonomy, you know, you kind of create, like, this tree of life, you know, common ancestor thing. Biological taxonomy. Yeah. If you go by the science of classifying species, right, then, sure, you could just lump us in. Yeah. Okay. Love that. The guy who came up with that, changed his name.

13:32 Fit it. Oh, nice. Okay. I didn't know that. Do you tell. Goodness. Linnaeus, I think, is what he changed his name to. Let me get. Well, what the what? The dude that came up with the idea of classifying. Well, the what? The system that we use currently. Okay. Okay. Got it. Well, so anyway, you have this, like, from a from a taxonomy or scientific classification purposes.

13:58 It's undeniable that humans are, you know, great ape. As far as you know, we're in the same family as gorillas, orangutans, etc.. And, so, you know, if you want to make the counterargument that we're not unquote animals from a non taxonomic, if that's a work point of view, you have to start grasping at straws. You have to say, oh, well, you know, what about what about you know, our spirit right.

14:23 Yeah. So you can take that. That's one that's one angle. You can go. You can say, oh well we have a triple healing. We have the you know, we have the A, C, T and G, you know, a strand within the third. The third rung of the helix running through our DNA is our consciousness and our soul. Right.

14:42 And so humans are imbued with this special made in God's image, you know, mana that then separates us from all the other beasts. And you say, well, why is this so confusing? Then why do we have heart, kidney, liver, brain? Yeah, right. And why are we bound by the same limitations as every other animal? Yeah. Right. And then, of course, the counterargument is more not, you know, we have an internal soul.

15:02 They don't, you know, transcend the physical sacred. No, I'm not saying I'm saying some some some say. Right. Some say oh, sorry. I just wanted to hilariously put those words in your mouth.

15:18 Well, you know, I could I could probably be creative enough to to find a way to make a case for it, but I don't want to because I don't believe in that. I think that's that's a belief that leads to a lot of problems. I mean, it does, you know, anything that is going to.

15:37 Net narrow the scope of information that you can take in as you, Mandy learns more is a problematic belief. Yeah. So I think that the other I think the believing that human beings are quote unquote just another animal like you said in the sense. Yeah, leads to a series of problems as well. So so conversation. I want to try to find a way to get away from that.

15:59 Right. We that we have been in a way, we have transcended that, that we are something, you know, maybe for biological purposes. Yeah. An animal. But for other classifications. We are something else. We are more than using monkeys. We are. Yeah. So then you get into some of these specificities that like, slippery slopes or thin ice, you know, pretty quick.

16:27 Right. Like you get into this idea of, you know, oh, if you go with like, oh, we're imbued with this all, let's just stick with that for a second. Sure. You know, you go with that and then you automatically on thin ice because. Okay, well, where is it? You know. Yeah. Oh, it's like it's writing in the pineal gland.

16:44 Okay. You know, so if a hundred people die, and they're on a scale when they die, did they automatically, like, have less weight? You know. Does does the, does the soul have something? No. You got to start making up more and more shit. Right? Right. Right. Yes. And some people claim there is a slight deficit when someone dies.

17:06 You know, they quantify all of the trace elements of human being is created or from. And, you know, there's this tiny little bit of mass missing when they die, and that's the soul. But I think, like you said, oh, if it has mass and you can find it and measure it. Right. So but but I would, you know, are you that that's probably just some fucking fairy tale.

17:34 It is, it is. And you know, ultimately it doesn't matter, does it? It has no soul. It. Well, I'm saying it has no bearing on what I do right now because I don't know, man. If I had, like, irrefutable empirical evidence, there's a soul look like differently. I think that would have some kind of impact on my life.

17:57 Yeah, I think I'd do the same thing. I think that would have a pretty significant impact on me. Yeah, I mean, I, I see what you're saying, that, you know, you are some part of you that you cannot necessarily.

18:14 You know, that within the daily right survives. Yeah. That I think that changes few things from my ideology. But, unfortunately some for the negative. But anyway, you know, this I, this idea that I'm going with the idea that there isn't. But then what is there, what can we grab on to. So they're not just hedonistic. Hedonistic.

18:37 Yeah, I think assholes. I love it. He didn't mistake assholes. Yes. That, you know, are smart enough to say, oh, well, moral morality is just moral relativity. So. Right. Yeah. Royalty shifts. There's no real concrete morality and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and I'm just a fucking beast animal anyway, so I should just go about my own pleasure. And there's nothing else that matters in life, right?

19:00 Which is awful. Yeah. So that leaves us hanging. Right. What gives us a platform to build on, even if we aren't greater? What gives us an ability to stand on this platform? See greater things. Become greater things. You know what gives us the ability to say, I want to grasp for more. I want to understand more. I want to bring it into the collective human experience.

19:25 I want to have this knowledge and understanding make its mark upon humanity. Yeah. All that. Right. So I think the answer, the only thing that I've been able to come up with at least, is technology. So, you know, here we go. Wait. We're going to talk about technology. Such a rare thing I know. Right. So. So, you know, think about this.

19:48 Is that, like, you know, our technology has unlocked all of human potential, you know, like, well, there's more to come. But, I mean, you know, longevity. We've only. Yeah. And if you and if you look at capability of, of any given species. Right. And you start classifying species based on capability rather than anatomy and in a not to be an asshole, but no one touches us.

20:13 Not even close. Right? We would be. We would need our own chart. You know, we need we would need our own scale. For what? Human achievement, you know? Yeah. We need our own scale. So, I don't know how we ended up on this busy road.

20:29 And I don't even know why road is so busy at 6:00 in the morning. Maybe it was driving to do their Morning Walk podcast. That's it, that's it. You know, we've got Negatively Pedestrian podcast just passed us. We've just we've just seen our competition.

20:46 We we need to start going at 530. So we're. Yeah. Oh really early warm renters birds. I love it. So you know, like folding and tying back into our previous podcast. Yeah. That's how sophisticated the squad cars. Please listen to that first episode up now to understand anything that we're talking about. Yeah. Listen to all of our other.

21:07 So anyway self self-referential. So we're trying to make this case. Okay. So if we if we classify by capability right now some animals have some animals and insect species have collectives that, you know, the some of the, what they can do collectively is incredible. They ants, for example. Yeah. Like an ant ants can make like a flotilla and go across a stream, you know.

21:36 They have all like the collection of the organisms. Not any given ant is, you know, pretty interesting right. But not very capable. Right. But you throw the collective effect of the ants together and you have they work together on a scale that fucking impressive. Yeah. Right. And they could actually have a big impact on their local environment.

21:56 You know, answer the biomass to this day of ants is fucking crazy, right? So like, it's been really a podcast about ants, but you get it. And so if you look at their capability, you have to not just say the capability of an individual ant. Right, right. Because if you look at the capability of individual human, not that impressive, the same thing, it falls.

22:17 An individual human would fall short if that was, you know, your analytic on what the capacity of a human being is. But we've accidentally built systems that go beyond the capability of a human being. Right. And so then some people say, oh, well, humans are special because they can use tools. Sure. And someone says, oh, well, look at this chimpanzee using a stick and the termite mound.

22:38 Yeah, yeah. There's not the same as a human being capturing the natural phenomena about them. Like we are beginning to crack the code surrounding quantum computing. Right. It's like. Okay. Fucking chimp. Google motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. No shit or whatever, you know? Right. Right. Anything you want to pick? Yeah. You know, do something that does not involve grabbing something that came off of a tree to get some food.

23:07 Yeah. Let's see you drive to the supermarket, bitch, and swipe your credit card. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You stay in the fucking tree, motherfucker. But anyway, it's like you act up. I'm about to have some bushmeat. Yeah, so let's look at classification. Okay. Push me. I love it. That's got some, like, sexual joke connotation to it as well, but I'm not going to go there.

23:30 Yeah.

23:32 We need to clean up this podcast. Oh. So I'm sad. So let's look at classification in terms of, you know, specifically in terms of not just a single member of the species, but the species as a whole. Yeah. Okay. So now let's use that classification system to measure mankind versus every other animal on the planet. And we have a completely different unique thing here.

23:56 Right. So you know I have this thing I have this like philosophy, you know, technology, but also this idea of like technical technology driven humanism. Right. Which you know, it ties into technology, philanthropy. That's the whole idea using technology for the betterment of all mankind. Yeah, yeah. But also like this form of technical humanism where we can, you know, embrace the uniqueness of human beings as far as our collective capability and use that as a way not to worship humans at all, but a way to appreciate that we're something different than the rest of the species on the planet.

24:35 And I think that's permissible. I think that and an appreciation and recognition, rather than trying to get to the other side of it, rather than trying to get the other side of you. Oh, sorry. It's okay.

24:54 Walking is difficult. So that's why we have cars. Got it. And bicycles. And some kind of. Yeah, exactly. All these methods of conveyance the human beings have built. Yeah. And here we are, primitively talking about technology, primitively trotting around like animals.

25:17 With your own. Like a tandem bike. Yeah. Right. Like when bikes boom, boom bike big flags up, like, you know, reflective flags up. Now broadcasting. Oh, damn. Now broadcasting positively pedestrian. And he's so fucking confused. It's like. But they're they're not on few feet. Oh. Coming of dissonance. They think they are. Yeah. God damn, that must be some stupid shit.

25:46 Let me check this podcast. It's just like the audience audio version of jackass.

25:53 We'd be so lucky. The audio version of danger. Yeah. Oh, have that kind of success. Yeah.

26:01 Yeah. Put yourself in situations that, you know, subjected to some type of pain or disgust and have a bunch of other people around laughing at it at the same time. And you have a multi-million dollar show, right? I have to give those guys they realize they didn't have any other kids.

26:18 Okay. All right. But they said, all right. I have a high tolerance for pain. I'm a dumbass. Let me go make some money.

26:30 Fair enough. And and so, I guess the only common thread is that, you know, we understand that we're jackasses, too. So, like, you know, we're we're dumbasses too. You know, as we've talked about it being in the name. Right? We understand that we're pedestrian at best. So so therefore we have a shot in the world. Yes. Because we're, we're we're that front further ahead than most others.

26:53 We have that extra little tiny bit of introspection and understanding. Right. And that's enough for the predicate of a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. In 2022. Right. Might not have been enough in 1883. Yeah. I found, like, 3 or 4 techniques to declutter my house. That's enough for a podcast. So why not having the micro introspection that we're probably not that smart be the predicate for a podcast as well?

27:17 Yeah. Dun dun dun. Exactly. And I can and I and I have enough, like, financial problems to buy a, you know, recording device off the internet. Right. Right. And, oh, and use a web. Use a few websites to get the podcast podcast posted and a little bit of everything. Oh, okay. It's been this takes some skill. It's been thoroughly propagated and you develop and home skills.

27:42 There we go. So maybe it's more to it or maybe not just that's the question we're sitting at right now. You know the very question. How much more is there to the song of all we've done is all we've done all for naught and a tiny little note, you know. You know, just individual footnote in the history of even the Earth.

28:08 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, is our is our command over the lithosphere to some extent. Like, you know, we've been able to aggregate certain certain materials together and put them put them into certain forms. Right. We call those buildings, and we have our name and our own internal nomenclature for everything. Right. Right. And so like we're self we're self absorbed into, you know, being in awe of our own capabilities that we that we miss out, that we're, that we are primal.

28:35 We are our own God. And that was actually another piece of this whole conversation that I wanted to raise is that to some extent, there's there is an element there because we are the only species, as far as I know, that have a chance at least at becoming sort of in control of our own fate. Oh, so, you know, like the dinosaurs, you know, the asteroid strikes and, you know, it's like, just wait to die.

29:01 You know, it's either you're close enough to the epicenter of the impact where you're dead or the sky changes colors to fire, to fire. And, you know, you're just waiting for the radiation and heat to kill you. Radiation, heat. You know, if somehow you're small enough that you survive some of that. You got an underground burrow, right?

29:19 Yeah. You get another ground burrow. You know, you're 12ft down. Whatever. Then you know you're gonna hit all the food sources you eat are about to die. Right. Or, you know, we hope you have enough stored or can can scavenge enough to propagate and live through the duration of the atmosphere returning to somewhat normal. Right. And so yeah, that's why supposedly like the mammals took over.

29:44 Right. Right. So, you know that you have this idea of like this kind of early warning system, you know, that we have, we didn't want to call it, like, you know, enough of a sensor grid to where we can sort of detect now, you know, incoming asteroids and maybe, maybe intervene, you know. Right. Some Sci-Fi around that.

30:07 But but with all the shit we've been on put in space, it's becoming more and more probable. Right. Yep. And then you have, like, other things, you know, can we control a disease vector, you know, can we control, you know, right now kind of half assed in the future maybe. Yes. In a couple have eradicated a couple of diseases.

30:27 Absolutely. Right. Which is. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. And the whole gain of function research and whatnot. Right. Like to where we're predicting the future course of natural progression, of evolution, of certain, you know, viral and bacterial species. Right. We're basically playing preemptively, making countermeasures. Yeah. So to some extent, there's there's another thing you could say, that separates humans from the other animals.

30:55 And that would be our our ability to somewhat control our own destiny or our own fate. Right. You know, and you could say we are doing maybe in a curtain, but we are doing things like terraforming we are doing there. Oh, absolutely. That's right. We are controlling our environment and on purpose or not, so on purpose. What is in that environment?

31:24 No, I mean, there's this owning board, so it's on purpose. Yeah. And so the ability, you know, from what I understand, humans, augment the surface of the lithosphere more each year than nature. You know, here we go. So, you know, human activity is basically altering the face of the earth more than nature. Yeah. You know, now, I think that the 90s altering nature.

31:47 Oh, absolutely. They're by altering nature. Right. I mean, proof is just climate change. Which I know some people would not believe, but come on. Just like the just like the geological fossil record, there's never a world that, climate change is happening. Oh, I think the evidence is definitely overwhelming. And you can one could choose to believe whatever they want.

32:10 But then suffer the consequences they're in. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead and live in.

32:17 And not be swallowed up by the ocean in a few years. Yeah, I can have and believe that the ocean is not rising and say like as it as it keeps creeping up, paving up. Continue to believe. No, it's not greening up. Yeah. You all are just just all your imagination. And then I mean, maybe, you know, you're you're a really good swimmer.

32:36 You're telling your government issued advisories about sync with Terra. These five islands, they're like, yeah, they're not to go into the ocean, basically. Wow.

32:49 You know, that isn't necessarily anecdotal evidence because the whole island can be eroding from within. Underneath. Right. There could be a groundswell or a ground depression. I mean, islands are transitory on the geological scale anyway. Yeah. There's a lot of erosion happening above and at the surface. Right. Or below. Would you say it's, you know, that could definitely erase the island?

33:13 Yeah. But still, you know, it remains so. My God, we have to, like, nap out a fucking root. That's like anti traffic and just run our hamster wheel every day. Maybe. I mean, maybe for the better for the podcast and less distracting for us. Right. Right. Because like, big sounds or like cringe kind of thing. And and it comes our attention what you were talking about.

33:39 Yeah. Well, no, I remember we're talking about humanity. What makes me any special. And, you know, if we're not animals. Why? Right. Yeah. So I mentioned this idea of, like, this invisible, you know, kind of like interdimensional, you know, other dimension thread that's running through our DNA, which would be our consciousness, the Holy Spirit, whatever you want to call it.

34:00 That's from the biblical, you know, kind of perspective. Like, they don't say anything about a because the people that wrote the Bible knew nothing of stuff didn't. Right. So if there was in the Bible about DNA, that would be pretty fucking impressive. So if you look, at least in modern day translations of Sumerian myths. Yeah. Okay. There there's a lot of things that really do sound like allusions to DNA and, genetic modification by aliens.

34:33 Okay. But, I mean, I'm not looking for some kind of metaphorical stretch of applying modern understanding science and technology to ancient texts. And that's really it. It's it's, I'm not playing that game. We're projecting our own capabilities and understanding upon the past. Yeah, that's when I'm not into that, man. When really all the Samaritans are trying to do is explain why they were where they were and, and, why their society existed the way it did.

35:01 Right. And, you know, they actually went extinct because of diseases that came through cannibalism and not understanding crop rotation. So fuck that. They didn't know shit about DNA. Right. But, but but anyway, maybe maybe the, maybe the aliens that created them did, but not them the right way. Yeah. There we go.

35:22 So, this other idea here of there's a there's a there is a implied or imaginary thread running through human DNA and that is technology. So if we put technology in and so like I have this piece of artwork that I imagine. Right. Like I'll describe it. So it's a, it's a lotus flower and you know, like a lotus flower can like come out of mud.

35:46 And it's hydrophobic enough to like when the flower blooms, it's like perfectly clean. Yeah. So like you have this like cesspool. Right. And this beauty arises. Yeah. This right. This crazy beautiful flower comes out of the cesspool and it's pristine. Right. Yeah. And like I love that symbolic for humanity because, like, technology has enabled us to transcend a lot of natural things that just would just there to to make suffering and misery for us.

36:13 Right. And have for eons. Yeah, yeah. And have Rihanna's and then put us on this whole new trajectory. So I imagine like, this kind of lotus flower and micro printed in the veins of the, of the, of the petals of the flower down at the bottom right, or all of these like, things like species and different things that are in nature.

36:34 Right. Like taxonomy. Yeah. And then the stem of the flower is this triple helix. Right. One is the double helix of, of 80. Right. Right. And then running through it is another helix which is zero and one. Zero and one. Right. To imply that, that our technology combined with our DNA, especially special things about our DNA, like working together in groups, things that are imbued in us, in our in our nature, which make us fascinating.

37:03 Right. Yeah. Our propensity to have culture and civilization and all these kind of things, the technological feedback that has enabled our brains to be what they are today. Right. All working in concert to create this beautiful flower at the top and inside the veins of the flower petals are human technology. Like the printing press and, you know, the internet and all these crazy things that have made humans the thing that we are right, that which has extended our reach and, you know, created.

37:33 I mean, you know, as we've talked about before, more than likely created another species over top of or alongside of Homo sapiens. Right. And so the visualization of humans being this unique thing, due to these reasons and having the the platform which elevated us to the status that we have today, separating us from the from the rest, right from the other beasts, if you will, of the planet, is this unique affinity for technology that we have?

38:07 Right. And really like you hang that in your in your place. Yeah, yeah. You've described it to me before. It's great. Oh, sorry. I'm like I'm getting old. So like, you know, here's the same story. 50. No no, no. I think the same thing. But what I'm trying to say is I admired it to the, you know, you've only you only mentioned it in context because of certain things.

38:29 Like you were talking about an art auction and you were saying, I'd like to make this thing. I'd like to commission it. Right. You know, and that is awesome. It's a great idea and you know it. It really does. There's a lot of hope, a lot of metaphor there. And I think those are the things that we need to drive us to the next level.

38:48 We need to be able to have faith in something. We need to be able to feel like, you know, because I don't know, my argument is besides all these things that we've already pointed to as being especially human quality. We can. Yeah. Animals can be driven by the motivation of survival, but we can be driven. We can be energized, we can be brought, you know, have reach beyond our normal daily capabilities just by being inspired by a set of ideas.

39:23 And that's an inspirational and aspirational idea. And so, you know, to kind of help people along in their, in their, in their thought process and the idea that, you know, there's, there's kind of some despair, baked into the idea that, oh, human beings are just another great ape species. Right. So therefore, like, everything that we've achieved just gets marginalized.

39:50 We're just another species. We're subject to the same, you know, instinctual brain stem winds of these other species, you see, and it's just we have this, like, little bit of extra gray matter in our cerebral cortex that makes us think we're something we're not. And we classify these different, this different gray matter as an over brain. Yeah.

40:13 You know, but you know, this this, this idea of, like, falling back to this idea that we just have an animal nature and that's it. We're just we're just we're just fooling ourselves to think that that's not really the majority of the guiding forces of mankind. I reject that idea because I think mankind truly is more than that.

40:29 Well, I think to become more than that and consistently be more than that, we have to believe we're more than that. Great point, great point. You know, I think that, like I agree, as a kid, I used to really get into the occult and reading about all sorts of different things and my, the different belief systems, different whatever.

40:50 And my dad was like, hey, you know, I'm 13 years old. He's like, what? Why are you reading that stuff? I was like, to me, what it does is I basically told him it gives me a chance to believe in something greater than me. It gives me a chance to go out there and explore and, you know, grab on to other ideas and, and other things.

41:14 It, it it gives me a platform to build on. Maybe these things aren't true. And I said, you know, thanks to science, a lot of the closely held tenants of, you know, I was saying the past basically have been erased as being followed. I was like, you know, and and this helps me kind of embrace that, that what I know might not be true, but I can't have belief.

41:39 I believe I can have faith that I can be more in human beings. Could be more. Yeah. That's a nice a nice way to put that into perspective. Yeah I like that. And so I was, I was reading bullshit. But it was to me opening up the world. Yeah. So that's how I coped with this idea of like all these different civilizations that are past, present, you know, coming up with its own mythology and their own, like, you know, metaphysical ideas and explanations for the world.

42:06 The way I overcome that, and I don't want to say dismiss it because that's kind of area. But the way that I classify it in my own mind to make it make sense, because otherwise it doesn't make sense, is to put it all under the umbrella of human creativity. Yeah. You know, which is just another artifact of human capability, right?

42:27 And creativity, human creativity begets some of the things we have before us. I mean, so like in forms or begets some of the technological innovations. Yes, because it expands the imagination. Yeah. It's either form or function that creativity plays in. Right. Yeah. So you kind of have like this core path of humanity, but then you have on the periphery, like the people that are, you know, doing drugs, folding back weird ideas in people that are, that are that really accentuate a discipline of academia, folding things, people that push the boundaries of human physical capabilities and athletes and Olympic athletes and stuff, folding that back into humanity.

43:02 So it's almost like bread being needed, like, you know, folded back in upon himself. You know, so we're making the the world's finest multi-layered lobster tail of a pastry. Yeah. The lobster thermidor of a, you know, of the future. But like these people that push the boundaries, you know, the artist, the the, you know, in everything the scientists that are coming up with the breakthroughs.

43:24 And everybody is like folding that capability back in on humanity. And, you know, some some of that leads to misery for some people, like people that get obsessed or people that get drug addicted or people that get, you know, all these dashed dreams, right? You know, but at the same time, they might be adding something to the overall capability and collective capability of humanity.

43:47 See what I'm saying? Yeah. So so at the end of the day, necessary. Right. Like an important component, one could absolutely argue, just in a way, to have something to contrast with and something to measure. You need that misery as a backdrop or possibly a foundation to really have the awesomeness that is humanity. But I still think we're better off if we use all those capabilities, all those skills, all that knowledge to tamp down the misery like we have already.

44:24 Because like you said, I think that's inevitably what it does. Do you know, this is what I'm talking about. The lobster tail pastry. Oh, it's multi-layered and it's like all these thin layers of dough and they keep folding it on it, so. Damn, I wasn't hungry until now. Yeah.

44:40 That was pretty. Pretty fucking delicious. Yeah. Dude, we should get some.

44:47 Yeah, so I can. I can afford the the recording device and the the monthly fee to have a podcast. I don't know if I can afford that. The that, the. I got you on lobster tails. Yeah. All right. Good. Gotta lean on each other.

45:04 So another you know, global collectivism has to be another candidate for what separates humans from the rest. Right. Yeah. Is that, like, look what we're doing globally. You know, global global collectivism of trade and of manufacturing and production and to some extent knowledge with the internet. Right. So globalization and grand scale collectivism and I'm not going to say the singularity.

45:29 That's stupid. But you know this kind of I mean I think it's a concept to talk about and it puts a lot of things under an umbrella that we're trying to unpack. True. So, you know, by, by taking all mythology, all kind of like claims of, you know, this God or this spirit, this entity, this metaphysical thing taking all that and just tucking that under the umbrella of human creativity is how I cognitively handle that.

45:55 Okay. And so, yes, I understand to some extent that makes me dismissive of those things and to some extent closed minded. But my focus is different, and I kind of need a bit of closed minded to that, because if I were to try to unpack that whole world, that would become my whole life. There we go. There's so much content in theology and mythology and religion and quote unquote, spirituality.

46:17 There's so much human content there that that could become like a lifetime focus and never entirely scratch the surface. I think that's the key. It's it's voluminous, human created content. Yeah. And so I've made people angry in the past by, by by saying this for me, you know, saying, hey, look, your belief system is just a figment of some somebody who's probably was probably stoned or on some kind of LSD imagination.

46:47 Right? Yeah. Or woke from a dream and tried and then was very extroverted person. That was very compelling. Yes. Absolutely. Right. That's that's the most likely the source of your belief system. It is. It is. And how do you feel? Yeah. To me, when I realized that, I felt empowered. Okay. Because you're taking the you're taking the better.

47:10 Okay. The reason the reason I felt empowered. I felt like I was then free to take the things I liked from it. I see and build my own philosophy. Right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. Like, take the gems from the various, you know, religions and and metaphysical thinking philosophy. Philosophical, at least the ones I could understand.

47:32 Okay. All right. No, that's that's. I like that it's valid. And then I felt like I could move freely. I could move, but I could move into it, and I could participate in it. I could move out of it. I participate in it. Yeah. That's you said it more eloquently than me, but that's what I'm doing, too. I'm doing the same kind of thing, like, because when someone if someone explains to me, like some kind of inner tenant of Buddhism.

47:56 Right. That I like it. And I like it with you. Yeah, I like it. I, I'm free to like, not like, automatically believe in all Buddhism. No, but, but I'm then allowed to, like, take that piece and, you know, put it into the fabric of my imagination and benefit from it. Right. Yes. And in fact, I have done that with, this idea of self-compassion.

48:18 Like, that's a that's a tenant of Buddhism someone introduced me to at one point and I'm like, wait a minute. That's so true. Yeah, I'm not gracious to myself. And if you're not like I am other people, how can you? If you're gracious to yourself, you open up being even more gracious to others. Yeah, that's that's a huge thing.

48:33 And it's still something I battle with because like I just said earlier, don't like the sound of my own voice. I was saying, right, I am punishing myself. Yeah, but if I heard another podcast, like if I heard someone's podcast and that person had my exact voice, I wouldn't judge it so negatively. Right. So, like, I'm gracious to the stranger but can't find a way to, like, really make that same graciousness towards myself.

48:53 And so if I could overcome that, you're totally right. That would open up another, you know, next level power of mine, you know, in my life and enable some things. And so there again, there's the value. There's a gem that you could pull out from this, you know, pluck it from the shit. Like you talk about the lotus flower blooming from the muck.

49:15 That's it man. So I think that's a perfect metaphor for the, the, the adequate way to classify through metaphor human capability is that idea. Yeah, that. Hey, you know, there's a lot of shit there, but there's a lot of gems. There really is. There really are. And, you know, if we can start to do that, it's like, not celebrate or worship humanity, but embrace it, you know, a lot, a lot more and you know, okay, not not celebrate not not well, I mean, okay, maybe celebrate some degree, but not GFI it, right?

49:47 Not become ego theists. Exactly. Not become our own gods, but rather introspection, understanding and careful, you know, direct direction of of those things. Absolutely. And then and then appreciate it more and be less likely to dismiss it or destroy it as well. Yeah. Well, when I was a kid and and I would pray to God. Right. I would pray for.

50:18 Well, yeah. But I guess what I'm saying is I would pray for these same three things for humanity as a whole. If I were to be praying wisdom, truth seeking, seeking, truth seeking, wisdom and understanding. Great. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I think that's what we need. We we need greater understanding of ourselves, our impact upon the world, the universe, all of it.

50:43 And we need to seek the truth in that, like you said, not to glorify and deify ourselves. Because it's easy, right? Right, right. But to understand what our shortcomings are and we need wisdom. We need to live long enough to have perspective. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you. And I think that there's a certain element there to where you have to have some, some reason, some, some rational justification, not just, you know, some some person or robe telling you, but some rational justification for, for making humanity a special thing.

51:16 Right? Because you goddamn you got to get up out of the about of bed in the morning. Yeah, right. You got to have some motivator. Yeah. That, you know, so that and what you got here. Oh, I was just going to go back to. You were saying do tell. What was the guy's name? Carolus Linnaeus that changed his name.

51:34 Who created binomial nomenclature? Okay. His name was Carl von Lin. No shit. Why did you change it to that other name? It sounded because he using binomial name culture on himself. Well, my God.

51:50 That's funny.

51:53 Why did I change my name to I don't know.

51:58 Enlightened dumbass? Yeah, exactly. That's the name. Oh, you're in a class? Yeah. Is a enlightened dumbass here. And that's the thing. That's your first name. That way the teacher has to say that. Oh, dumbass. Is the first name like enlightened? Dumbass is the first name I see, so they. Okay. Okay. Right? Right? Right. So they can't get away with just saying it's enlightened here.

52:23 Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah. You don't want people to mistake where you're going with this. You don't want to be like, I am an enlightened being of light. Oh, fuck. Yeah. And then my middle name is void. And my last name is. No, because I'm fucking at the database. Oh, yeah. Yes. And I'll be. I'll be part of that comic.

52:41 I'll be a little Bobby tables. Oh, I'll be Sean drop tables.

52:48 Or drop table? Drop table. Okay. Drop select star from star. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. That's my that's my full legal name. Like, not a database in the fucking world is safe. Oh. SQL injection for the win SQL and a name that's predicated around, mockery of humanity and database. Fuck up. Right. I love that enlightened, dumb ass void.

53:16 No.

53:21 That's got to do some damage somewhere. Come on, dude, I don't think you're getting counted in the aggregate over last names. Like, you know, count, last count, star from last name. Yeah, I think that it might miss that one name. Fucking no. That's so beautiful. You know, and just getting it into a web form. Yeah. Do you, like, make this, like, snarky thing where you record your calls to different IT departments?

53:45 That is my legal name. I should have the right to use this publicly available one site. How can you not a common database? I'm a snowflake. I'm unique. I'm offended. Yeah, my parents made me this unique. So we see that you changed your name three years ago.

54:03 Fuck you Google, you're smarter than me. That's why I feel like I'm in the lighting dummies. Oh, yes. Exactly.

54:13 How much I need to pay. I like my whiny voice. That's better than my regular voice. Yeah, I should just stick with that. That's my new. That's my new podcast voice. Yes. It's like.

54:26 What do you think about. You sound like. You sound like I have Mickey Mouse balls in a vice. Nice. Fucking amazing, I love it. Those brilliant rings will stay on.

54:43 That's too much fun. Oh, Jesus. Jesus, Jesus.

54:48 So, have we solved it? Have we found a way to, like, have people create, like, at least a empirical, a rational belief? You know, that, there is something unique about humanity. I can make a good argument. Or is this, like, so easy to shoot down that, you know, it's it's so paper thin that, you know, do we need to do we need to bolster it before we end this podcast today?

55:13 I think we need to bolster it, but I'm not sure how to bolster it. I've contemplated this much myself. Movies have to, you know, Blade runner 2049. I happened to be watching it last night. Oh, cool. And they were talking about. So this guy had, the the replicant had kind of a personality inside of him. This kind of conscience.

55:38 Okay. Yeah. And, so this conscience is telling him, look, you're special. You're imbued with more than just a TCG. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You. And he replies with. Oh, yeah. Ones and zeros as well. Far more elegant. And people are getting on. People are catching on this. This isn't my novel idea. Fuck, I thought I had something special.

56:03 I mean, you may have for a time, never get beat to the punch. I'm telling you, I know you didn't get beat. I tell you, I thought I rollerblades before anybody did. I don't think he got beat. I think people have just, you know, also seen what you've seen. And you probably saw it. I'm guaranteeing you've been talking about this before.

56:25 Blade runner 2049 came out. Sure, sure. They stole from me.

56:32 But I guess I might be part of the fucking trucks. I wouldn't mind being part of the group that made flavor. I've been fucking right. Jesus said my dream. Be part of the cutting edge technological advancement, solving real world problems or making mindless entertainment, you know? I mean, they're kind of one in the same are clever. Oh, okay.

56:55 A big component we've left out to to bolster the conversation. Language. Language. Come on. Oh, yeah. Language is definitely a technology. Writing and language had so such far reaching effects on humanity. And we have to include in that because yes, I understand there's some like dolphins and shit that click that like different words for fish and all this fucking bouquet of language that we still cannot stand.

57:22 Okay, great. But, you know, go back to that. Yeah, but they're not recording shit in fucking archives. No, but they can replay. One can replay to another. Hey, I just saw this fish in the shipwreck. Here's where it is.

57:41 Okay, so scratch that language. No, no, it does though, right? I mean, but it's like can't they can't create archives. They can create memories and replay them. Cool. And so in that case has to probably be the ability to, take the replay of one Dolphins memory to another. And then that dolphin that just got the memory but not the actual experience that to another.

58:06 Yeah. So that's probably possible. Probably. Yeah. So you know dolphins have perfected and they have access to the brain because of the high diet of fish and the fats and stuff. So they can develop the kind of, you know, sophisticated brain like humans. Does that make sense? Because they have the dietary but opposable thumbs, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. Land on the record.

58:29 Yeah, exactly. Staying dry.

58:35 That's it. And they might say like, oh, my God, you know, you're so unsophisticated saying dry 70% of the Earth, bitch. Right. Right. Maine is 70% of the Earth. Fuck you. Yeah. What are you talking about? But it's really not because, you know, their domain has to include where there's fish, right? So the ocean is void of fish, and we have it when arguably created synthetic food.

58:59 Yeah. Yeah. So technology enable another like reason technology. So paramount here is that, we started cooking our food. Yeah. Which is a version of pre digestion. Right. So it allows us to take, you know, a large amount of food and condense it down to a small, very nutrient dense, you know, product. So more efficient consumption. Yes.

59:22 And supply of our big brains with what they need. Correct. And thereby enabling us to have more spare time as well. And also enabling us to support a much higher nutrient rich brain. We layered upon that preservation techniques which said, hey, you can prep stuff in advance. And so that is like a predecessor technology to then unlocking like a stair step of an ever increasing technology that brought us in modern times.

59:48 Yeah. We still have fucking flying cars. No, we fucked the fuck. Well, unless we're going back to movies and airplanes. Call them airplanes. Hey, I'm going to put my entertainment in the category of we remake the world with our own stories. I don't know who said that. Somebody.

1:00:05 Anything to justify a fucking cavity. Are you? Damn right. Or me watching the back to the future to see flying cars again? Yeah. So it's not that we can't create flying cars. We have the wisdom to not try because they're right. Because, you know, we see how people that are grounded drive. Yeah. You know, do we need to see, like I said, the fender bender.

1:00:24 You'd see the occasional fucking fireball above your head. And, you know, if you let people drive in the sky now, all fireball raining death, you know? Yeah. You're just like B every morning. You'd have all this, like, sound of, like. Yeah, we can find about garbage trucks. Imagine that shit. Yeah. When? When it hits a semi in the sky.

1:00:44 Oh, shit. Now it rains down like fucking, you know, discarded products. Banana peel on your fucking face. Yeah, whatever. Banana peel. And, you know, there'd be a spectacle. My gosh, that would be kind of neat just to watch the sky and be, like, watching for watching for shooting stars at night. Yeah, we'd be doing that. We'd be laying on our back and like, you know, lift up pattern of cars over there.

1:01:06 What does that look like to you? It looks like an arrow being shot by a warrior. Right. Going back to our fireball. Yes. Yeah. Did you make a wish? Yeah. Right. I wish that I'd never get in a flying car. Now, numerous companies have made the flying car driving car hybrids, but they've just never caught off. Caught on?

1:01:26 Yeah. I mean, come on. There's. There's a reason for that. Yeah. It's like, you know, in theory, a personal airplane that you can also drive on the street. Sounds good, but it's a dumb idea. It's. It's not. We're not there yet. We need to solve the automated driving. Automated driving first. Because these things have to have a fucking autopilot.

1:01:43 Oh, yeah. And there's no way we can let, like, you know, the stoned ape up to to bring it all full circle, you know, up and up in the air, dominating the sky. What if birds do birds ever like? Not fucking, but birds ever collide. Like I wonder. Probably. Dude. Right. You think they'd have to have never seen that.

1:02:03 I've never seen a, like, unintended vertical. Maybe you just. It was like a Paragon Falcon, you know, eating right. And then that's very much intentional from the paragraph. Right, right, right. I've never witnessed from what seemed like an unintentional bird collision. Maybe it doesn't happen. Maybe it's just, you know, I mean, they're they're really well built to for their niche.

1:02:26 I mean, maybe they just don't screw up like that. So now I have to rethink the whole conversation. Birds are, in fact, the most sophisticated birds and dolphins. The bird is now in in the in this metaphor, painting is now above the lotus. Yeah, yeah. The bird dominates the air with a snarky fucking look on his face and a worm in his mouth.