0:03 Middle Ages somewhere around there. Pretty much the way people would do it is they would get a bed. When? Somewhere down or thereabouts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wake up and then, like, have a light meal and have a second sleep. Well, yeah. Light meal or do some work. Yeah. You know. And then go back to bed.

0:26 It does make sense because the, you know, sun goes down way earlier than we do in modern times, you know. Yeah. So, like, if you go to bed with the sun, with the sunset, it's going to be, what, like 630? Yeah. This time of year. Right. So it makes sense if you popped up at two in the morning, did some stuff and then had the second shift to sleep.

0:46 Yeah. You know it. Wake up, get a couple of things done that you need to get done. That we're on your mind.

0:54 Sounds like a good idea. Yeah. So can you imagine? Like, you know, you just look in there and you see, like that junk fucking grill and whatnot. Yeah. And, like, you know, you get a general sense of, like, the stuff that's just around, like, you know, what the hell is this? Oh, no. It's like mirrored side tables. Yeah.

1:16 Is that out for the trash or is that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do I pick that up from my sex room? You know.

1:25 I think it would go well with your sex guns and throwing tripods away. Wonder what they're up to. Tripods and mirrored, side tables. Well, it looks like somebody's 76. Dungeon. Hey, I want a part. The relationships. Ever after 30 years. That's why they don't use the grill anymore. Oh.

1:49 Totally non-sequitur. Doesn't get as hot around here. Oh, down. There we go. There we go. Yeah. So, so where are you saying they were, like, on the flat? Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah, people. So you've ever ridden a train before like Amtrak? You know, like up to New York or someplace, you know? Yeah. Not far, not far.

2:17 Yeah. Like a few states away. Like to Virginia, I think. Gotcha. So you've never, like, driven? I never road, like, all the way to New York or. Oh. So maybe, like, what, four hours? Yeah. Gotcha. Well, were you with somebody conversely, or were you by yourself staring out the window? Yeah. Okay. Did you notice that you went by, like, train is, like, kind of behind the scenes, like.

2:43 So when you're running around a car walking like we are right now, you get, like, a facade of everyone's house, you know, like you kind of get, like, how the front is presented. Yeah. And so you don't usually see, like, the backyard and stuff. Yeah. Right. And so when you write a train, however. You get like this back kind of scenes impression of, of people's houses.

3:05 And because they put trains on the back end, trains where nobody wants to train in their front yard, it's in there, it's off the beaten path. Yes. And so what I noticed during this, several train rides, I've noticed this, like, long, you know, during the day, train rides, we can get a daydream and just got the window.

3:26 Oh. That's cool. I noticed, like, you know, tons. I mean, tons and tons and tons of shit in people's yards. Like old grills. Fucking old bicycles. You know what I mean? It's like you. Narrative junkyard. Yeah, you name it. Cars. You know, sheds that are that collapsed down, you know, I mean, you name it. Right. And, I was thinking, like, could you imagine if there was, like, this great reclamation, like this big thing where, like people, the gym, like everybody collectively this, this new culture kind of kicked in and everybody was to, like, recycle all their shit.

4:06 How much fucking material there is. So didn't they do something similar to. Yeah, I think so. I think so, but just accumulate it again. We we need a fake war, so. Or we might have, we might be on the cusp of war three. I don't know. Always will get the junk cleaned up. Yeah. Yeah. Half our cities will get new, but at least we'll get the junk, you know.

4:30 There. Yeah. Right. Dirty bombs. Actual nukes. Yeah. It was looking bright side either. Right. Right. I don't mean the flash of a nuclear explosion. I don't mean that. Or bright side. I mean, you know, the positives in my. Oh, it's so crazy to see the pictures of, you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki and this, like. Well, the person's not there, but their shadow is burned out of that building.

4:57 You mean. Yeah. It's one way to get a count. Right. Count the shadows.

5:05 So then, you know, men typically like, you know, women with less hair so women wouldn't have to shave as much. Yeah. There you go. A lot of women like that bare chested look, you know. Right. You know. Sure. Someone maybe a bit malformed, but they'll be bare chested. And a lot of women like, you know, ball guys like card and other beaters, you know, other balding leaders.

5:29 It's true, it's true. We just have to look on the bright side and take advantage of, you know, just what Weiss gives you. Yeah, man. I mean, we'll be given a it'll be like a couple of tons of lemons. It will I work through.

5:48 Lemon Brae.

5:51 You know, and people were worried about Covid, so that's like sterilized, you know. Oh.

6:01 Oh, man. Look on the bright side. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is the positively a desperate podcast. Yeah. Positive. You gotta stay positive. Just think about it. When your job falls off, you don't worry about wearing a mask anymore. And you don't have to brush half of your teeth. That's. That's a score. Certainly some of the top ones would fall out, too.

6:24 So, you know, you might have to you might not have to brush anything. Finally, the term toothbrush makes sense.

6:34 Yeah. You're right. We should have been calling it teeth brush. Yes. But yeah, when they invented it, maybe it was just a single toothbrush. Commonly, like. Yeah, you know, they have 1 to 4. Sure. The rest were wooden. So you use up a sandpaper for the rest? Yeah. So you need your toothbrush for your one remaining tooth and then sandpaper.

6:58 Yeah. I liked it about something like, you know, maybe like 400 or so would do it, you know, you want, and maybe you got a whole kit worth of things. You know, you get the 400 grit for the get the ruff, rough it out, and then you get the like, thousand grit for the finer size. And you're just about to go on the date.

7:17 You don't want to lose splinters in her mouth. Yeah. And you can have, like, the whole rest of their fall out. You can have them bring back the whole shoeshine kind of thing. Right. But instead, you lay back in a chair like you're at the dentist. Somebody buff? Sure, your scalp. And you open your gaping mall. Yeah, you're your jaws missing.

7:31 So then someone can shine your teeth while someone takes your shoes. It's a whole new service, man. It's from tip to toe.

7:43 I love it, and then, you know, you can reciprocate. You can just say, you know, to the poor gentlemen, let's do it. That has no, no jaw and no hair as well. You can see it. Now it's my turn. You can buff his ball peach and then, you know, see, this whole new thing will just create new industries, see all the new jobs that will be created.

8:04 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know I would love to be a shoeshine T sander, head buff head buffer. Yeah. So it's like triple threat. I mean, who has those skills today? Nobody. No. The MPs. You don't have to worry about full stack development. So you can just do triple threat body as. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you know those the government says they do have some pretty badass ultra magnetic pulse guns.

8:39 We would have the situation where we'd have, when people talked about, you know, what you do for work, they'd be like this pre and post type world, right? Yeah. So yeah. What did you do before the fallout. All right. Well I was a I was a web developer. Yeah. What's a web? Well, got kicked back to the stone age.

9:02 From what I understand, the MP is no joke. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, hey, I highly targeted at MP. Take out a few vehicles, a wide band MP. You're fucked. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That back there was like saying chicks like that lady back there was like 100ft away. Like it's not a cigarette. Like it was right in my nostrils.

9:28 I mean, it just kind of it just for black of a better term. It assailed me and I was like, the right nostril guy got got a smoke while the left one snow. The ladies perfume. It's like, what the hell? Yeah. And I don't have Covid, apparently. I guess I was nice, I did like her. Her sneakers and pants combo, but, yeah, she was wearing, like, striped business pants with a pair of Nike's.

9:57 Cool. Why not? It looked comfortable and serviceable. Just saying. Yeah, that's like the when I wear, you know, like a blazer with, with jeans and and sneakers and, like, the douchebag look is complete, right?

10:11 Like, I'm ready for business, but I'm casual. Well, she seemed like she was going for the mid-level office manager who needs to go on a run during her. Yeah, right. Hey, based on the way I see. Look, I don't think running is really you, right? Happening to you often? You're right. Maybe. Maybe as soon as you can put her feet up comfortably on the desk, I don't know.

10:31 Sure. Yeah. I think you're the ballpark. Yeah.

10:38 Don't you know, like that that situation. I'm sure you find yourself in it at one point where you, you know, had that had that manager that was had no business being your manager. Oh, hell yeah. Like, not just like, maybe being younger than you and less experienced, but didn't know shit about what you did. Oh, well, I guess my favorite one was not younger than me and experienced, but older than me.

11:05 Like. All right. This man is retired from another university, and so he's been retired for ten years, so he's like 65. Okay. Well, then he was a developer who developed like, applications for a speech pathologist. Okay, okay. They, for some reason, decided he'd be a good candidate to hire to manage it. Support. And. And I guess we did.

11:43 We did everything, like, you know, if you were a grad student and you needed some software installed, if you needed, if you, needed a new computer set up, if you wanted, you know, whatever. Stuff done in your lab. Anything. Okay. Printers, whatever. Okay. So, just it stuff and VMs have all of it. So, it it he he goes from fearing narrow development in one programing language to managing basically an IT department.

12:26 Oh. What. And it's like we're already managing ourselves now. We were coming in at noon. Oh, boy. But we were staying till 8 or 9:00 at night. I see, you know. So yeah, he was like, all right, you guys come in at 730, you know, like. So it was a disaster. At first. But we said that her shit done.

12:53 He just needed to be. He was more concerned with appearances and, you know, I mean, look at me. And my concern to the seemed to rein him in. The team needed to rein him in. We tried, like, teach him how to how he needs to. What is the catering feeding of our group basically. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we tried and eventually after about two years, we came to understanding.

13:22 Gish. But yeah, it was a it was interesting. Like he was in there all the time. Just he was just getting a wild hair up his ass and decide we were going to fix some particular thing, like, all right, all the BJA cables need to go in boxes. It's like okay. Sure. So we have about good leadership, you know, 60 or 70 of those VGA cables.

13:48 All right. You have boxes first. Put them in. Nope. Okay. How about, why don't we just get rid of them? All right. And that's an option. And so we, we, you know, decided to keep like 20 of them. She was.

14:06 Gee whiz, when you realize how much you're paying the employees, right. Versus the cost of certain things to have them spend their time on that as well. That wasn't that wasn't a big deal. They were paying. Is it an hour? That's three hours a week. Okay.

14:27 Still still ten bucks an hour. What's the cable these days? Right. $0.50? Yeah. I mean, for real, right? You're right. And so if you ever needed one. And then when you put them in the boxes, they need to be stored somewhere, which is another cost, right? Because then you space, you take some. Right. And then if you are actually managing inventory, you're.

14:49 And what she eventually started doing, you're deprecating assets. There you go. And so.

14:57 You know, eventually those things end up worth negative. Yeah. For real. I mean, the way that I've ever done, you know, in in all the different workflows I've tried, you know, over the course of my career is like, by gosh, I've learned that less is more by a lot. Yeah. So, so, like, the less things I have around me, you know, less use, less paver, no sticky notes, like, keep a pen and pencil away from you at all times, you know, type setting everything digital, you know, etc. like the the more I, I, I've worked into that kind of workflow, the like magnitudes more efficient I've become.

15:38 I find that really interesting. You're like stay away from analog, keep it digital, keep it stored digital. Exactly. Okay. Like and I don't just mean, like one thing, I mean everything. That's awesome. Well, I would have figured maybe, you know, you might be doing some kind of wireframe mock up or something. Do a quick back and sketch. Nope.

15:59 I have a tablet for that with a stylus. Nice. And then I can take the image and have it on the computer. This way I can send it to somebody I can, you know. Yeah. As opposed to having drawn it and being stuck at the drawing. Yep. Scrapping paper. Now I got a file. I got to put somewhere.

16:15 Yeah, definitely. That's nice. Downloads. What we just do like a about face here in a second to head back because much time this morning. Cool. I got, I gotta go to Dennis.

16:35 Okay. Yeah. So, Definitely. Man, 100% is. I've learned finally, after so many years, like, how to do things efficiently. Whoa. So, like, when when coding something, right? Oh, it's like for 99% of things, you don't need a framework. You don't need, you know, a lot of your shit is going to be one and done. Yeah. You know, you you always need a maintenance plan, right?

17:03 You know, because software will always eventually be outdated and need to be updated. But my gosh. But if you if you're on a framework, I mean, just as an example, I was just playing around with this book that I bought Wireshark for security professional is a five year old book it comes with are awake the Get Hub with like a set of labs that they built this application for in flask with Python.

17:33 And basically you're supposed to run this dashboard that lets you control a bunch of Docker containers and, you know, you get to see a visual network and visual indication of traffic. Yeah. Well, it's five years old. It didn't work out of the box.

17:56 What's that telling you? Right, right. Like you're saying software needs to be maintained. Bit rot. You know, they use the book frameworks. Yeah. If you don't use frameworks, maintenance is probably a hell of a lot easier. You got that right. And, you know, you'll you'll pull in all these vendor libraries and then when you, you know, do your unit testing, get down to the meaty, gritty, you know, you're like, oh, I see there's, 280 supplemental files in this library to deal with non-English language.

18:26 Why not use. And I don't need that, which is great, but this is a this is for English only. Yeah, yeah. And so wait a minute. Okay. Now what is where where where are the key functions that I'm using from this framework. Oh I'm using 1% of the framework. Wow. You know. Oh. Okay. Wait, can I just pick that out then can I just like, you know, pull that code out and just use that one function?

18:48 Actually, yes. Oh, okay. Wait. So all I need to do is grab these three functions from this library and fucking throw away the library. And then I'm maintaining three functions. Instead of dealing with a raffle, dependencies and relying on developer time and effort over a period of years. Not to mention like this, the code bloat and all the all the, associated things that come with the code bloat.

19:10 Yeah, right. I was like, how how many vulnerabilities do you introduce with introducing all that code that you don't have time to even look at? So you're reducing your attack surface by narrowing the functions to three instead of 300, right. So at the end of the day, you can, you know, basically kill yourself with the framework. Yeah. And you know, but it's all use case based.

19:31 So, you know, another project, you could be pulling in 500 frameworks and. True, true. I mean, really does depend on what you're doing. And it does depend on I don't need developers. Do you have to maintain this? And and it's nice that you found an open source library to do something. And it's a popular one on GitHub. Well maintained.

19:51 It hasn't been six years since it was last touched. Something like this, right? Yeah. And so it's cool to have that there for you, but you need to really still get under the hood and see how that frameworks white or just in case you gotta fix it or replace it. And when it when you're looking at a service or a web or web application or something like this, right.

20:11 You have the added thing with the, the load time associated with all those periphery libraries that automatically are down with every call. You know, you're like, wait a minute, life. My page weren't so low. Yeah, but yeah, it took me two weeks to fix this to get a working. Yeah, because I'm not a developer and I don't know what I'm doing.

20:30 You think about, like, you know how much the company paid for two weeks for you to work on a, you know, it's crazy, man. Oh, no. This was this is like spare time. I was reading a book. Oh, I was reading the book, and and it was like, get GitHub project that came with the book. So I was like, this looks really cool.

20:50 I'd like to use it. Yeah. So, you know, I built that auction site recently and I just used a completely different design model when I did it. I know frameworks, no, like, you know, only minimal stuff. Yeah. You know, like jQuery and a couple other small, kind of like, you know, normalized CSS and stuff like that. Okay.

21:14 So I'm really basic kind of every project stuff, right. And call it from, from Ken, you know, right on the page. Okay. So you're not loading it. It's it's basically cash at every router in the world. Right. All right. Because I mean, you're using something like Cloudflare or or something like that. Exactly.

21:32 Google. Google is pretty, pretty reliable. Okay. Google. Cool. Because it's like they they have it in static memory. Wow. So it's it's basically instantaneous, you know, and almost every almost every person with computer in the world is using Google's DNS. Sure. Directly. Yeah. Directly or indirectly. So all that shit's kind of like preloaded in Vail before you ran out of the gate?

22:01 Yeah. So anyway, little tips like that, and then next thing you know, you're like, wait a minute. I'm getting, like, near real time load time on the site.

22:15 And then using some of the classic tricks to like, when a page loads, go ahead and use like the parallax. The same like after, like kind of after the content is loaded. Oh. So Ajax in more content. Oh. Which is like high resolution versions of the photos. Oh that's cool. Okay, so the page is already loaded, and while the user is using the site, you're you're loading in high resolution versions, getting in their local cache.

22:40 Okay. So then when they look at that items detail, the high res photos are already there. That is cool. You know, use that idle time. You want to call that. And it is because they're not expecting, you know, while there. I mean, you probably you probably got all this idle time when somebody first encounters a site and trying to figure it out.

23:02 Right. Yeah. So what are these 180 cognitive biases? I don't know, I didn't click on it. You saw 180. It was intimidated. Well I saw 180. And I saw a Gen Z looking pink haired. Yeah. Yeah, I dropped a androgynous person. Yeah, that's the token for the 180. Yes. And she was looking at you with a raised eyebrow, like, do you have 180 cognitive biases?

23:31 I have more than 180. I'm as woke as they come. Well, I feel like so is the idea here to have more biases or less? Less? Well, clearly the idea is to have none. Right. So this this report that I was supposed to be compelled to read by the pink haired, androgynous person, I guess would make me more woke to my internal biases.

24:01 Right? And thereby let me reduce them to just close to zero as possible. Right. Which you never can achieve. Of course, the goalpost will keep moving because they keep finding more biases that, you know, because you know, hey, society is a moving target. What is okay changes by the day. And what about the idea that there's cultural biases being a cultural bias.

24:25 All right. You know we are cognitive not cultural cognitive biases right. But but hey they might work into the same category really because your cognitive biases are probably propped up and created in large part by your culture. Sure. Let's go this way. Avoid these, mass these these, diesel vehicles. Yep. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, it makes you wonder.

24:56 It's like just this form of self-deprecation, you know, like, improvement through self-deprecation. Oh, shit. So, you know, you kind of recognize at some point you say, oh, yes, I have all these cultural idiosyncrasy biases. I have, you know, the, the standard, what you call the, the DSM. Yeah. You know, things going on like, I think manual basically.

25:16 Yeah, sure. You so you have the standard, you know, psychological things going on, like confirmation bias and, you know, the things that are kind of hard wired into a brain. Yeah. You know, this is a selector based on experience. So here we go. If every time, you know, a ginger redhead walks by, you get roundhouse kicked, you know, then then you'll start to have an aversion towards redheads, right?

25:39 Yeah. Yeah. It's like I have a deep seated hatred towards gingers now because I've been roundhouse kick to the face many a time. Yeah. So after a certain number of roundhouses, your brain just says, you know, wait a minute and create creates a bias for, you know, anti ginger. Yeah. And then, you know, God forbid the friendly ginger comes comes in one day, you know.

25:57 Well friendly Ginger who is my boss. Yeah. And now all of a sudden you're a special training because you have these biases, right? Well, how unfair is that?

26:12 How unfair? It is truly, truly unfair. You know, because your, your, your brain is just doing what it naturally does for defense, for survival. Right? Like, it's been hard wired for hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, you know, to work this way. And it's worked well, you know. Yeah, it you know, and but there's something to be said for, you know, we need to have some introspection.

26:41 We need to be able to retool. We need to be able to say, hey, that no longer works or that's detrimental, and pretend that we came from the same roundhouse. 50 pounds by Ginger, right? And I firmly believe gingers would do that to you, but I might have it. Biases. Of course. I mean, when you start from the premise that someone, just because of their hair color is a soulless animal, then yet you know you're gonna be have some trouble.

27:09 But the thing is, is like, you know, soulless animals skilled deep in the martial arts. Yeah, but think about what? What then? You know, putting someone through cognitive bias training, you know, in that kind of situation, what you're doing to them, you're denying their objective reality or denying you're you're invalidating their their life experience. You are, you are.

27:29 And that's what we've got to really hone in on here. Subject. Your reality is highly subjective. You know it. And is it? I mean, you do somebody a disservice. Like, okay, they grow up in an environment like, that is in transition and they have to do it. So they have to deal with a large swath of society here.

27:58 Right, right, right. So they're going to deal with for people who are on drugs, they're going to deal with rich people who just bought the house, you know, down the street. They're going to deal with a coffee shop coming in where there used to be, you know, liquor store, the liquor store or whatever shop, you know, replace the depression with a stimulant.

28:22 That's awesome. But yeah, so, I mean, their set of biases is desperately way different than the typical person from another area, but it helped them survive, like you said, right? So then so then the corporate training is going to deny your your subjective experience, tell you everything that you think that your brain has done through its experiences and how wrong somehow, and that you're to blame because of an unconscious thing happening in your brain.

28:51 And maybe you need these things because you're still in the environment where they have lot. But when you move out of that environment, maybe it is time to lose those chains. Set up beach. So you're in an artificial, subjective environment to when you acquire these experiences, and now you're an other new, completely different subjective environment telling you in delegating those experiences and trying to replace it with a new set of artificial experiences.

29:14 Yes, that is life. And pick your matrix, you know, and it really is. We're all down in a set of matrices out through our lives. Well, here comes the curve ball. Why do you then have to respect the other person's biases?

29:32 No, no. Fuck that. They're wrong. The reason we have to respect their biases is we're not stuck in this little bubble that never crosses over to these other realities. We're continually bumping. There's friction there now, so you should be like me and reject them all, including your own. That. Yeah. Think about that. If they're all subjective, they're all fucked up.

29:58 They're all biased by default, right? Right. Your own? Yep. You didn't have the slice of, you know, silver reality. That was truth. Well, everybody else got fiction, right? But but we just said it's highly subjective. So everybody got a very. Everybody got a convenient fiction. Yeah. You know. Right. So instead of all this stuff saying you're trying to buy us, why don't we turn it over all around and say, look, everybody has their own subjective experience.

30:25 Oh, right. But in this corporate culture, we're building something different. And here's what it looks like. Yep. And you are a member of this collective subjective experience. Right. And if you don't like it, you know where the door is. Yeah. But the military does it. The military does. Yes. The saying, look, you know, you should head off. Your identity is gone.

30:45 Your clothes, baggy jeans, whatever your fuck you like are all gone, right? You've all got birth control glasses on and you're all part of what do group quote unquote. Right? Right. And you live, sleep, breathe that for, you know, basic at least. Right. And then to be a person in a it a little bit. Yeah. But but now you have this new identity.

31:09 There's this, you know, new set of biases, new set of attitudes, new sets of dispositions and way of thinking and subjective experience bestowed upon you and you. Even in it, you put a layer around, wrap around. You call yourself a soldier, right? Right. Well, they do the same thing in the corporate world. They do, but it's not nearly as violent.

31:28 It's more violent. Pretty talking about, of course, in the military it's clear what the situation. But the military, there's no no, no, no. In the military it's fair because you know what it is. Think about it. In the corporate world, you don't know what it is. It's it's always it's always behind a veil of bullshit. Right. So at least you know what you're getting.

31:54 I mean, I think the military behind its own bullshit, too. It's the how. So they're also there's the enemy. There's you. What's there not to know? Because it's what the view they have crafted is, is it's us versus them that isn't life. Okay. The army. The Army didn't manufacture that gun in that plane and that tank and that uniform.

32:15 But it's all for them. But it's all part of a continuum. And see, at least through the military, when they're using it, when they're applying it, it's direct. You know exactly what that gun is for. Yeah. You know what that uniform is for, right? Nobody's there's no there's no mistaking what's going on here. Right. But in the corporate world, you could be working on the next fucking AI that makes the, you know, targeting system.

32:38 And then we're in military. Yeah, and you don't even know what you're doing. And, you know, when you find out, you might freak out like a bunch of Google employees did and start processing. Right. And then and then, you know, take that to the next level. It gets so abstracted that the, the, the culture of the cognitive bias itself is right there.

32:56 The cognitive bias is, is the, the thing calling out cognitive biases and point. But they're by though there's no easy way to reject them all because you're trying to need them as a shield no matter what situation we're in. No, that's what I'm saying. Is that you you say fuck them all because they're all bullshit. I mean, they are all bullshit.

33:19 But then ultimately, we still have a few weak claims to claim to to get through the day. So you get to where you go. Yeah. Thing you claim to when you buy corporate? No. When you go in and interact with people in your neighborhood, you have to judge them based on how they look, how they're approaching you, and you have to interact with them in a certain way.

33:41 And I do that naturally without having to worry about any cognitive bias. But I'm not sure what I'm saying. Inherent in judgment is bias and convenient shortcuts so that you can you can make that decision what second and react accordingly, have a successful interaction. Okay. So why would you want to contaminate with those? Why would you want to fuck with those biases then that work, right?

34:03 That's what I'm trying to say. We have a few that we need that work, and then we have a that we're then trying to undo in the corporate space. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant. That sounds like the right answer. So it's like we're trying to undo those things in the corporate space. Then we're also trying to build them in our normal lives.

34:23 And then we're also trying to I mean, all these different fears that we enter and exit, have all their different biases with them and arguably and they need so. Right. And the idea that you have enough brain to actually mitigate all that properly is, is absurd. That's why we have the biases to make shortcuts and help us make one second decisions.

34:43 Because now it's a, it's a it's not only helpful as necessary. Yeah. Because because rationalizing it would be impossible. Yeah. And so then we're going to deprecate somebody and or you know, then we're going to turn around and make someone feel like they're doing something wrong because they have these biases that their brain that evolution produced makes.

35:03 Yeah. Yeah. That's genius. Right? I mean, you know, you're you're considered and this is another right. Yeah. And it comes down to like, you know, people have friended this or that idea as bad. They've given negative connotations to some shit almost randomly, it seems. Sure. And then it gives it to their attack angle to dominate somebody. Yeah. So now you have an excuse to not give that person a perfect performance review.

35:32 Right now you have now you have replayed my career. Yeah. Now you have a now you have a tool that you can then use to, you know, chisel in on somebody any way you want to psychologically, economically, you know, like another form of dominance. You're right. Right. You're right. I mean and we have, you have these biases. So we get those sorted out.

35:53 Yeah. Yeah. And it's okay. It really is almost out. All right. So back in the day you know you're dominating someone out on the battlefield or out on the the hunting area. You know, whatever it was clear and present what you were doing. Now we moved abstractions up the chain. You're still dominating people because you're compelled to do so, but you're doing it in this more insidious and subtle way.

36:22 Exactly. And so then people revert to things like self-abuse, self-medication through illegal drugs or popping those pills. Yeah. And all kinds of, you know, self-abuse, self decline, all kinds of things. Right. Eating disorder all the way down to things like that. Yeah. You know, and then you wonder why the population is, you know, struggling. Well it's because there's all these indirect forms of, you know, pressure and they can't even put your finger on, you know, don't even know, you know, and then you then you self internalize it and blame yourself.

36:53 Oh, I'm not rich because, you know, I'm not this because I'm not happy because you know. Yeah. And it's all it all comes back to self you know and whatever metrics you determine you need to judge yourself by. Yeah. And then you know, these all these other people in your life are dropping hints to you, you know, that are just in their own bizarro world.

37:12 You know, you have to be more like me. You wouldn't, you know, the people that are really movers and shakers, they they don't fall for this shit, you know, they say, you know, no, I'm my own person. There we go. Okay, so I'm getting what you're saying. I'm not perfect dropping. Yeah, yeah. Recognizing you're not perfect and you need to improve and change, but not falling through the bullshit.

37:34 Definitely not really. Not especially when it comes to like, things that are just derogatory towards you or like, you know, taking tearing you down. If someone is just doing something to tear you down, they're not trying to help you. So ultimately is the thrust of what you're saying that we need to shed the ones that are the the biases and, and angles of attack that are coming at us.

37:56 You're trying to limit us. Exactly. Anything that's turned you down and not building your up is false. You know it's not there to really help you there. We go there to take advantage of you. Yeah. So directly or indirectly. So really this this whole cognitive biases thing can be used as a tool for good, but it's mostly used as a tool for bad.

38:17 There you go. It's like it's like it's like saying, oh, you're going to die someday. Something's wrong with you. Or look at this optical illusion. There's something wrong with your brain. This thing's not moving. But why are you thinking he's moving? So there's something the way your brain's built, right? So then you say you have this cognitive bias.

38:33 Well, why? Why do you say that? Oh, well, because of this, this, this literature here, you know, or because, you know, the the structure of the corporation says that we all do. There's evidence for this study, you know, and next thing you know, you have a bunch of people going around thinking there's something wrong with them, just like when they saw the optical illusion and somebody said, see, your brain's not not rendering.

38:55 You know that image, right? Well, this is something that doesn't exist in nature. Yeah. You know, there are certain optical illusions like a mirage and things like Bend Light and stuff like that. But a mirage is pretty well, well understood, right? Yeah. But there's certain patterns that, you know, your brain thinks something should be moving in that pattern or that color, you know, overlay or whatever.

39:15 And if everyone's brain is doing it, is it wrong? No, no. So if everyone's brain has a cognitive bias, is it really wrong? Right. And we and I think we've provided some good contextual evidence to say everybody has cognitive biases. And yeah, sure, in some circumstances they should be questioned and they should be retooled. But we use them to get through life because we can't, like you said, we can't.

39:42 Things are everything. It just can't happen. You don't have a brain to analyze your brain. Yeah. That's it. You think about that. You don't have that right of a second brain to to to ponder why why the one brain felt that way. Damn. You need a meta brain. Yeah, we do. And I mean, I think technology is going to be that something that someday.

40:01 Here we go again. I'm out. I'm going to get my teeth. Teeth work.