0:01 There he goes. Cool. This morning we're talking about endemics. That's pretty. Specifically, the coronavirus becoming endemic to our society. Absolutely. Yeah, that was kind of like, you know, I thought about that from day one. How, you know, it's going to be another flu type thing, and it's going to here to stay. You know, but it's making that transition.

0:26 Yeah. It's the hard thing. Herd immunity is, like they said in the article, is a pipe dream. Yep. Yep. Totally. Because, I mean, I think the large argument the, article was making was, hey, this virus has more than one host. So there's no way we can eradicate it. Right. And a big thing that we could do to tamp it down to be to change, like we were talking about yesterday, is change our land use, change the way we interact with animals.

0:55 Yeah. You know, but that, that doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon. So there's your host. There's your vector. You know, that's persistent. Yes, yes. The oh gosh. What's the word. The zero gnosis. Yep. Zoo infection. Yes. No, not a confession. Yep. You know, transfer of from one species to another of an infection. Right. Yeah. I mean, just for our listeners, swine, swine flu.

1:23 Bird flu. They kind of name the primary host. You know, flu, cowpox? Yes. Yeah. There's, you know, there are other mammals that have very similar immunity, which makes sense because the virus distribution is similar. Yeah. You know, then have certain mutations happen within them, and then they pass it along. And now when we get it, it's like kind of supercharged.

1:46 So the whole idea about the gain of function research that's done in these labs is to try to get ahead of that curve and start making, you know, antibodies, immunities, disease prevention cures, vaccines, all that stuff in advance Therapeutics. And, you know, so then we're playing with credibly dangerous things in the lab. Yeah. Yeah. Which is sounds like a great idea.

2:06 And, you know. Sure. Like like you said yesterday, we could have come from this could have come from gain of function research, or it could have come from, you know, bat. Right. But both are at our own hand because, you know, obviously the lab is definitely at our own hands, and so is the selling and eating of many different species.

2:31 Exactly. And so we have globalization. You have massive human population centers intermixing with these meat markets, you know, type things. And so this idea of pandemic being here to stay, not just as this particular virus, but all any future, you know, variant that comes through this not just of Covid, not just of the Covid strain, but of any, you know, whole host of.

2:51 Right, right. Wide variety of potentials. And there are other coronaviruses that have become endemic. One of the ones that has took a century to become less virulent and deadly. It still kills 20 to 20,000 to 50,000 people a year. Oh yeah. And you have all the flu derivatives and, you know on and on. It's, it's it's scary.

3:15 And the big part of it is, you know us being fuck fuck tardes you know, and leadership knowing how this happens but not working to change the culture. Right. Right. And we should have been, from the very beginning, educating people as to what that transition to somewhat normal looks like. And for one, it's getting everyone in the world vaccinated.

3:37 Everybody needs their 2 to 3 doses. That definitely is going to help, right? So from what I understand, there's no real way to to immunize your way out of this, but at the same time. But but it's almost like the immunization is a therapeutic. Yeah. Right, right, right. It help it it blocks the transmission it. Well and it and it makes it has started to seem like that, that it makes your symptoms more mild.

4:03 Right. Oh that that's for sure. Actually, there's anecdotal evidence for that too. I mean, I know people that have gotten it and had the and had had two shots and the booster. Yeah. And then had a mild encounter with the with with the virus. And it makes sense because each exposure to the virus is like sending your immune system to school.

4:22 Sure. You know, and, it's it's incredibly helpful to do that. Yeah. I'm curious if the, someone does get coronavirus even after being double, double, triple vax, whatever, if that there's still a chance that they can get those long haul symptoms because, you know, the virus still got through their body. Right. And we do not understand the long haul symptoms at all.

4:46 And yeah, they're crazy. Basket of symptoms. That seems to vary with a person's genetics. Yeah. There's so many variables. And, you know, that's the that's the thing that I was always worried about whole Covid is that, you know, that's my primary thing. You know, of course, you know, the possibility of catching it and dying, but yeah, really catching it, surviving and then having some kind of really major brain decline or, you know, long haul symptom that prevents me from being me.

5:12 That's it. That's it. And, you know, when I was in the hospital, I heard about a long Covid symptoms, set of symptoms from one of the doctors who was treating me. Her son was 21 years old and he had been in the military. He got it there. Yeah. Well, he ended up being discharged because he could not concentrate on anything for more than a couple of minutes.

5:44 That's how it affected him. Yes. You know, it's like, so sad because let's say that let's say that that was the cause and that was real. And it was of no fault of his own. Like he was masked and backs and all kinds of stuff. And, you know, now he really has a genuine disability. And the idea that like, there's no real way because it's so new.

6:04 So society hasn't been able to adapt and you know, get, get up with everything. But that person like would totally need disability now. Absolutely. I mean he would go on to shadow of that qualify for it. But that also goes back to our acknowledgment of the invisible disabilities. Right, exactly. The ones that aren't immediately obvious. Hey, did you lose an arm?

6:27 Sure. Yeah. Be disabled. Yeah. Hey, you know, you can't walk correctly. Right. Or at the same speed as everyone. Okay, well consider that. Right. But when it's mental. When it's inside. Sure. We have a real problem paying people for that. Well, just the spectrum of humanity. I think we have just. Everybody has disability. It's just a matter. To what extent?

6:48 Right. There's there's nobody on this planet that would be 100% functional on every one of these metrics. Right. So disability kind of becomes of what measure not whether or not exists. Yeah. And which brings up an argument for universal basic income. Exactly, exactly. Because hey, you know, everybody deserves a say you're 10% down on the average across the board.

7:11 You deserve your 10%. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you're just not that smart. Yeah. Yeah. And the only jobs that, you know, most of the blue collar jobs are snatched up already. And then the, you know, a lot of the automation, a lot of the manufacturing jobs are been replaced by automation. And so you just caught in the middle.

7:26 So. Yeah. Exactly. Vice. And you're being crushed. Yeah. And there's so many people that work their asses off. You know, and this in a lot of ways, it's like kind of, I don't know, I think it's like kind of kind of human to work hard. It's like, gives you something to do. Well, yeah, it's a purpose. It's an aim in life.

7:46 Right. And, you know, a lot of people do identify strongly through their jobs, like, as especially in America. It's one of the first questions we asked someone, what do you do for work? Yeah. Right. So, like, you know, working as a cultural norm, you know, that's another thing about being disabled or unable to work or can't find work.

8:01 Rob you of dignity. Right, exactly. You know, there was a I mentioned this before when we were talking. I don't know if it's, but, I heard about, on NPR and experiment that a nonprofit was doing in Africa, and they were providing universal basic income to a group. I think it was something like 250 people.

8:25 And they were going to do it for one year and you know, chronicle what happened. Well some of the stories that fell out of it. One guy, he had seizures and the normal jobs he'd be working, he'd be welding a machete, he'd be doing, you know, things like harvesting crops with dangerous, other dangerous implements, you know. That would be going back.

8:51 Yeah. That's right there. Yeah. And we need to figure out what the hell that got. Yeah. Like you need you need to do the thing for me is that because I don't know, this is your stomping ground. All right. But, yeah, I want to hear what happens. This guy so interested. He, He had seizures, and he couldn't do normal jobs.

9:12 Yeah, yeah. You know, nobody was going to trust this dude to climb up a banana tree and hack off some bananas with a machete. Yeah, sure. Like, all of a sudden, you know, he's. He's a airborne paratrooper. Yeah. Yeah. This guy's without the parachute. He's playing himself as a weapon and a machete at somebody. So in their culture, they would normally build, the family would get together and build a house for someone when they reached a certain age.

9:38 It was like, I think it was 20. Yeah. Sorry. This, like, idea of a human peregrine falcon, doesn't it? Anyway. Continues. Right. So awesome. Fuck that. Forget it. Keep going. I want to hear what happens. And so, you know, he didn't have his house yet. He didn't have anything, right? It was 23. Right. Well, this universal basic income gave him the support to go out and rent a home and furnish it so he was able to reach parity with every one of his peers.

10:09 Perfect. And you know, he's like, sure, it'll be gone in a year. But he goes, for now, I have my dignity. Hell yeah, man, I love it. And that should be just like universal, right? Like cross the board. Yes. Because, you know, imagine there was like this. Not, I don't want to say singular. I hate talking about the singularity.

10:28 But imagine imagine you somehow there's like this thing where human beings were like a some kind of headset, you know, like we're the thing that can read your brain waves and transmit. So like, almost like gives us the technological capability to know each other telepathically. Okay. Let's say and you could you can hook it up to where when you're near somebody.

10:50 Right. It like it's it's proximity based. So like when you and I are near each other like, right now, we'd be able to fully understand each other. Yeah. See any words? Just imagine. Right. So we're just communicating back and forth. Oh. So silently. Yeah. So. So as I come into your sister of influence, like, you know, or proximity as I come into your proximity and you come into mine, we know everything about it.

11:14 Like blue. Like near, near. Near energy communications, like, Bluetooth. Right. So. Or 50ft or something. And and, you know, it's also has an assist. So like in kind of extend my brain in that for the context of this idea. So what happens is you and I get next to each other and we know each other instantaneously.

11:34 That's super cool. I know all your history. I know you don't know all mine. Like, like like we were friends for a hundred years. You know, like we were friends our whole lives. But just imagine. But it's but it's in a buffer, so it's like a temporary understanding. Right. And when I walk away from you, it goes away.

11:50 Because, like, I still have the memory of our encounter like we would normally. Right. But you're not going to remember all the same. You may remember certain salient details, but you may not remember the entirety of me. Right, exactly. Just imagine this idea. Well, there's no way. So the only reason I'm making up this, this crazy scenario is because once you know somebody, you know, you can't not have empathy for them.

12:15 Yeah. And compassion and all the normal things that come with humans. If you don't know somebody, it's not as hard. Like, you know, if someone dies and you know them and you know them really well, it hits a lot harder than some stranger dies, right? Right. And so, you know, the more deeply entrenched you are with somebody, like it's a spouse or something.

12:32 That or a child. Right. You're one of your children. That loss is felt profoundly, more intensely. Right. Because of all the connection you have with that person? Yes. So what I'm saying is that, like, imagine this technology that allowed us to have an instant connection with each other, like, let's say we were perfect strangers. I mean, I love you anyway because I know you for so long, and it's great friends.

12:53 Right. Sure. But if I didn't. But this technology allowed allowed us to. To know each other that well, like. Like we did essence, you would be honing and sharpening your empathy on a daily basis. Just with perpetually. Yeah. Because everybody has it. Yeah. So what you would find then instantaneously is that that nobody would be able to permit because of their own emotional state, right?

13:18 Others to suffer so much. Damn. Because only by abstraction. It's only through bureaucracy. It's only through institution. It's only through, you know, ideology that that we allow ourselves so to so easily abandon our capacity is a really important one there. Yes. All those things that remove us from the situation, that allow us to rationalize or to not feel the emotion so deeply.

13:42 Exactly. And so if you have a technology like this, that would, that would make that impossible because you then you know this person on a profound level instantaneously. And then there's no way you could you could bypass empathy anymore. That's awesome. Because you'd understand why they are the way they are. Yeah. You know, or at least you'd have a good background of it.

14:02 And you, you'd be a lot closer to understand it. Yeah. Remember that movie Enemy Mine from way back in the day? Yeah. With a star. The star fighter pilot. You know, it's like, engaged in a dogfight with the enemy. Yeah. And they both crash land on a planet, and then they have to, like, they learn to survive together.

14:18 I like that movie. I mean, you're talking about, you know, it's a little outdated, but the concept is there of, like, two people that are enemies for all these other peripheral reasons. Yeah. But then once they really get to know each other, all that falls away and they become beloved friends. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because, I mean, and that's that's it.

14:41 You cannot be.

14:45 You cannot go through the trenches with someone you cannot go through. You know these.

14:54 You can't experience life with somebody and not understand and feel empathy and fill a connection to them. Exactly. And this would give you the chance to instantaneously experience their life, be in their shoes and speak like that old adage says. Yep. And so that brings me to what I think is an important conclusion here. And that is that thought experiment reveals a truth, right?

15:19 That thought experiment, I think, reveals a quick little truth about humans, about people, and about what's, you know, being honest, the truth. And that is, is that in reality, the only reason we're disassociated from someone is because of our naivete, because we're naivety who that person is. So what we should do is change our default way of first thinking of that person.

15:45 You see, like change our default disposition towards others by saying, wait, if I actually knew that person, you know, I wouldn't think and act this way at all. Right. I would be completely different towards them. So maybe we should just act that way by default towards others and give people that chance to unveil themselves by degrees to us.

16:04 There you go. Since we don't have the benefit of this technology. Right. But the that's the beauty of these experiments is they they can they can reveal through imagination, can reveal a truth, you know, like, how can we get there sans that? Yes. You know, and changing your default disposition goes a long way toward it. Yeah. Can you imagine that?

16:29 Like, you start to start to look at other people as if they would be your best friend if given a chance? Right. You know, and then then your initial interaction with them would be quite much more giving, much more pleasant, much more compassionate, if you will. Yeah. Right. And I'd be willing to say that more people will want to just be around you with that disposition, and because you're being more consistent with reality.

16:55 Right. You know, that's a really strange thing because you think that. Here we go. Here. Yeah. We didn't even go far. Oh, it was good. Good. Just disclaimer on a coffee shop. So the background music is not copyright violation. Something we can do about it. Yeah. It has to be fair use. It's ambient noise. I probably wasn't, but, you know, considering no one was used to us, it doesn't matter.

17:24 This is true. And we're syndicated. We'll go back and scrub it out. Yeah. You can't have a copyright violation if no one consumes your content.

17:34 Exactly. That's so great. I have put I have put the sample one that I have up there across about a dozen people. Oh, shit. And every one of them was like, oh, my God, you guys are freaking hilarious. And that's not even the goal. Like, we're trying to be serious most of the time, which might be a mistake, but you just just cut up.

17:50 Yeah. We should just talk shit the whole time. Yeah. Maybe we should alternate. Definitely. What we're better at. I think so. Rather than pontificating upon the ills of society, we're better at talking shit, trying to be all cerebral. But, you know, the the whole. At least we know, like we made the goddamn thing positively pedestrian. Yes, exactly. So, I mean, we're playing right from the jump right there.

18:13 I mean, he's stupid, but he knows that he's stupid, and that almost makes him smart. Yes, yes. That level of understanding, introspection. You know, it's beautiful because, you know, I have this. I had that epiphany that one time that, like. Wait a minute. From what there is to know, I am just. I'm an island of stupidity. Yeah. You know, in contrast to the to the volume of what there is to know.

18:36 I look at everything proper. Yeah. Yeah. And looking at it. But that allows you to augment yourself with decision making power using technology, doing this, doing that. Still knowing that I'm not right. No, no. Better off than I was. I mean, yeah, exactly. And I like to look at myself as, like a moat of dust floating about the universe in essence.

18:59 I mean, I'm gonna make no impact. It's fine.

19:05 I will make an impact. And I have to like, you know. And you have a decent number of people. Yeah. I don't know what what qualifies a decent number? People, but more than probably most. Yeah. You know, because of the opportunities I've had. But, when my, when my aunt told me that my, when my aunt told me that one thing, she said, you know, every, every place that you go, you make it better.

19:28 Hell, yeah. Like so, you know, best compliment I've ever seen in my life. I've been told all kinds of things. Smart jacket. Whatever. You know, people. But none of that meant anything in proportion to that comment. And it was who was coming from? Yeah, it's coming from someone that that loves me and would tell me the truth. Yes.

19:46 You know, through the through her perspective. Yes. And I didn't I didn't debate it. I just accepted the compliment. Like you should you should learn to do that in your life, right? You should learn how to accept complex, which is one of the hardest things to do. Because we're hard. Because we're so critical of her. Yes. And also, we're especially some of the subcultures that we run in.

20:09 Self-deprecation is considered something you must do. Just a norm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially in the technology culture, you know, you know, you're allowed to humble brag in some situations. But for the most part, you must humble brag. I love it. You just gave me a new term. Oh, yeah. I love it. Humble pride. Yeah. That's nice.

20:30 I like that. Where's that kind of passive aggressive bragging?

20:35 That's the progressive to yourself. Yeah, yeah. And everyone around you. Yeah. Yeah. I love it, I love it. But you know.

20:46 But you're not allowed to, like, shoot your own horn. You're not allowed to broadcast it across a whole bunch of other. Yeah. Terms that are really pejorative, but. But everybody should be allowed to brag when they do something badass. No doubt. No doubt. Yeah, that's that's that's funny, because going back to that kind of friend or someone that you know well type thing, right.

21:07 So like if everyone is in some degree of competition. Yeah. It's just natural. Normal. Right. You're always comparing yourself to others. Or at least we have to. It's just. Yeah, it's just normal to do that. Yeah. So it's really not too much to, to, to go into about that. It's just something that human human nature, you know, something we do.

21:24 But when you really know somebody and you truly do genuinely care for them and you love them and all that stuff and they're important to you whatnot, you get to a point where their successes are no longer competitive, like their successes are. Make you feel great. Yeah. You know, when you when you have an acquaintance or something like that and you just know somebody, you kind of like know them on the periphery, you're not really, you know, that close with them and they have a success.

21:45 A lot of times you can just be instantly jealous, like, why did they get that? And I didn't, you know, like, you know, type thing. Yeah. But once you once you really, really do care for someone deeply that goes away. It changes. It gets to the point where you're like, feel great that they, you know, you genuinely feel good.

22:01 And if and if you can't get to that point in your life, something's going, something's up. You need to think about yourself. You know, you need to learn more introspection. And there's you can't get to that. There's a level of emotional maturity. I mean, just important people. Well, yeah, there's a there's a level of emotional maturity there that we're talking about.

22:19 That isn't the easiest place to get to, but it should be a goal for people to at least the people that are, you know, immediate friends and family. Be happy for their successes. Cheerlead them, push them off them forward with praise. Amen. And so take that idea of the thought experiment where you know, when you're in proximity to someone, you know, when you talk about you kind of know them now on that level, you know.

22:48 And then what you come to realize is that, wait a minute, other people's successes should be internally celebrated. That again, that's the truth. Yeah. And so the kind of pinnacle of that particular emotional intelligence is to find a way to like, be internalize real, genuine success of others as your own because you're part of the fabric. Yeah. You see what I'm saying?

23:06 You are. And and you just introduced something to me saying that particular facet or part of emotional intelligence. I mean, it is a multifaceted thing. It's not a it's not a one metric. You know, it's you could be emotionally intelligent in a hundred different ways. Yeah, yeah. And my case, you know, completely step on my dick and another hundred ways.

23:28 But, you know, I mean, I'm really great at that. Yeah, I'm really great at stepping on my dick and it happens. You know so long as it's not that's just a metaphor okay. Yeah. No. Yeah. Totally. Just a metaphor. I, I am thoroughly average and almost every metric including that. And if it was that long apparently you'd be Native American.

23:52 Yeah, exactly. Just to carry on the joke.

23:58 Out of context, that probably would sound totally, totally horrible, but I'll just let it sit there. Yeah. Watch. Listen to the other podcast. Yeah. No reason to listen to the previous episode. We are going with dry. Do not repeat yourself. And to the best of our ability, even though, like I repeat it, 99% of you. Yeah, I'm sure that most of this podcast is highly derivative and repetitive.

24:23 Disclaimer.

24:26 So. So if we were doing genuine like levels of disclaimers, yeah, our whole thing would just be nothing but disclaimer like before everything. Disclaimer, we should do an episode like that. I'm not responsible for any of those retarded that comes out of my mouth. Disclaimer there might be profanity. Fuck yeah. Disclaimer disclaimer there may be slightly racist commentary that is not meant to actually be taken literally.

24:55 This disclaimer I might I might cite research that that I never saw and probably doesn't exist.

25:03 Or that a research paper once that said blah blah blah. Or at the very best I read the headline on Slashdot. Yes.

25:13 Yes, I read blah blah blah. Disclaimer I read the first sentence and last sentence of most paragraphs. If we're on the pages, I didn't see it. And if we're lucky, I read the abstract in full. Yeah, well, I didn't give him the abstract. Yes, exactly. So I'm fully well versed in this paper and all of its implications. I might as well be a subject matter expert.

25:38 Do my badge. You know, the best things that I've ever read are like to my mind that are brilliant. It's like when they don't draw the conclusion for you, but they put so much damn evidence in your hands that there's only one conclusion, right? They may. They create the shape of it. Yeah, yeah. They're not. Yeah, but I mean, I've read several books where your disclaimer I don't read.

26:03 You know, but I have indeed read several books that have been written by really brilliant people to where, they don't actually draw the conclusion. I'll give you an example that's only fair. There's this book I read called Bowling Alone, and I don't remember the the the Harvard guy from Harvard, and I don't remember his name, unfortunately. But but anyway, he didn't actually really conclude anything, but when you when you conclude it, when you do, you know, pile up all the, all the things that he's, that he mentions in the book, the conclusion that you come to is like, wow, technology has had a major impact on how we socialize and how

26:38 we interact. You know, and some of those things are negative. And, you know, that's that's the conclusion that I was just automatically led to. That's awesome. The other book I read, stuffs and stars that didn't really drop conclusions but gave so many data points of anecdotal, you know, stories that it's like you can only conclude that, wow, we really need to we really need to change the way we focus on agriculture and the way that we focus on our food system.

27:02 And that really is a different way of writing a book. It's it's to convey knowledge and information and to artfully bring someone to this nexus of knowledge, but to let them pick from it from a buffet, to use it as tools to to understand it and maybe apply it more because you didn't tell them what to do with it.

27:24 Yeah. So the interesting thing, like I said all the time, that reading is fundamental, like so fundamental thing in life is reading like 100% like literacy is key and and reading is fundamental and people are doing it less and less attention spans and all the other kind of crap and talk about for a whole host of reasons. I mean, obviously, if you have a choice between reading some kind of, you know, let's say nonfiction or scrolling TikToks, you know, there's dopamine cycle and, you know, there's there's a different thing there.

27:55 But in the long dopamine cycle, if you're if you could be a steward to your own intellect, in your own dopamine cycle over the long haul, you understand that the reading is way in, and then you can be articulate as a kid. That was my that was my primary double main cycle was reading. I'd stay up late almost every night, read and, you know, think about things and write things down and, you know, whatever.

28:21 And, I mean, I don't even think it's that long of a payoff, but it's a hell of a lot longer than a payoff than TikTok. Yeah. There's not that sense of accomplishment. There's not that sense of I've done something like, seriously, but but the amount of your life is enabled by reading is tremendous compared to like so for the long term, double mean, you know, let's just bypass the word dopamine and say, you know, happiness, right?

28:48 You know, you can get a short term fix off of a TikTok because it's funny or whatever, but, you know, but it's hollow. It doesn't leave you with that enduring a book, no matter how badly it's written, and enriches you in some way. Exactly. You know, that's why I'm saying it's fundamental. Yeah. I mean, there's because two guys made two jackasses making a podcast and encouraging people to read it.

29:12 Right. Something's wrong, but don't read. Listen. That's better. But, you know, it just makes sense. It's like you can't possibly have the time to think of all of the ideas. You have to shove them into your brain somehow. And reading is one of the best ways to do it. Yeah. And if you've ever even written anything of life, you realize you come to come to realize how much labor that is.

29:43 And so someone's willing to labor over, you know, putting together it. It must be important. It's important. And they've put their mind behind it and their name behind it. So it's going to be a different kind of statement in this modern publishing world on not just them signed off on it, but a cadre of people, right. That had to support the effort.

30:01 Yeah. So. Right. It's it's then likely to not be such a powerful force of misinformation like online. Right. Yeah, exactly. So it's a it's a it's a higher quality. It's self-selecting in a way. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Because we want to put their name on, you know, a book that's going to have an ISP and be in the Library of Congress for all eternity.

30:23 That's propaganda. Misinformation, right? Bill Riley. Yeah, but just sorry, that was just a car disclaimer, but dropping some shit on the internet can be done by any jackass or even a bot. Yes. So there's no there's no, like, cheeses. I don't know why I never thought about that, that people can self-publish AI written works now? Sure. Why not?

30:48 Are you just mess with brain up and then. And then contaminate that medium by flooding it? Right. So then, like you would get into inevitably like a selection point where you have to research the author and find a person. I want to create AI written romance books.

31:08 It's it's 5.3 billion shades of gray because you just come up with them.

31:20 My God, it's a shade of gray for every human on the planet. Oh, see, that wasn't planned, y'all. That wasn't planned. So I was talking to this of youngins. You know my situation right now? Yep. And we're having a group discussion, and, I was stunned. Stunned. I walked away like, no better word. Like, I see, I'm calling it my mind, and I'm acting stunned now.

31:49 And how profoundly naive they were to I mean, basic, basic, basic, basic stuff specifically, like the basics of finance, like as far as, like credit, the basics of, choosing your social network wisely because that might have an impact in your life. Basic understanding of metrics like, you know, where where you what you were born into.

32:13 So our socioeconomic status is likely to be where you're at. Like, that's just one of the biggest predictive indexes of where you end in life is like where you started, you know, and that's because of environmental whole host of reasons, regardless of the reasons. They're like, what are you talking about? Is if like, they never heard anything like that.

32:32 Wow. And then we started getting into, like all these, like, little nuanced things like, like hygiene and, you know, some basic living shit. And it was I had them on the edges of their seat, like, this is the holy grail of information. And I'm like, guys, this is like the basic this is like the start of well, that explains why there are all these videos on TikTok about things that blew my mind at 25.

32:57 Okay, you gotta look into that. So, you know, my naivete was how that wasn't part of their just normal thinking process. So going back and believe it. I couldn't believe it. Going back and looking at what my parents did with raising me, being a 90s latchkey kid. You know, I think adults must assume on some level that kids already have these life skills or this knowledge.

33:29 It's like a social Dunning-Kruger effect about like the adults somehow assuming these kids know these things. Yeah, absolutely. We're we're doing a big disturbance to a whole generation. Suicide rate among youth his way up. There's a lot of there's a lot of bad metrics that are trending in the wrong way as far as mental health. And. Wow. But it's because, you know, not that it's because it's like, but that that kind of what happened with me made me think about, holy crap, is it just is it just because we can't we're not paying any attention to the basics?

33:58 Yeah. Have we set these kids adrift without the grounding that they need? Because we're working on these higher level abstractions most of the time, and we just assume, hey, they've got the basics because they can do this. They can do these higher level social things. Yeah. And so I started dropping some of these old school proverbial phrases, you know, you know, like, you know, birds of a feather flock.

34:23 Okay. So just all these aphorisms and everything. Yeah. And I started just dropping a few of those, like, you know, tidbits of wisdom that are just in the kind of proverbial vernacular. Yeah, that come through the old timey culture. Right. And these are all these idioms. Yeah, they're they're shortcuts for deep, profound moral things. Right. So, like you say, birds of a feather flock together, you know, on the onset, that doesn't really mean anything.

34:47 Just taking it at face value. But if you think about it. Right. Like, wait a minute. If I'm hanging out with these other kind of birds, you know, I'm probably going to start to emulate the way those birds are. And so birds of a feather. Yeah. And so I said that and I was like, you know, you guys do understand that like the to kind of know where you're trajectory, like where your future is going to be kind of unfolding is just think about the top five people that you associate with, what opportunity they have for you, what ambitions do they have in life?

35:16 What are their. Right. Yeah. And if and you have the choice, you have the power to replace some of those people over time. You know, you can still always have them as lifelong friends. Sure. But are they in the top five? Right. Right. Right. And so if you if you top five, you know, incredible people, I think you're much more likely to become an incredible person.

35:37 Damn right. And this one kid was like, the look on his face was like a light bulb went off that never even had a spark in his entire like his eyes was like. Like you opened him to a world. It was like he was shocked that something like that could possibly be true. Damn. And so I asked. There's only three other guys.

35:57 So I asked these three other guys. I was like, just have never heard this stuff before. Like, I'm sorry, I don't want to be rude, but you've never heard, like, the stuff I'm talking about. And kind of the collective response was no or not really. Wow. And I'm like, almost fell out of my chair. Yeah. It's like these are just basic human, you know, and these are things we should just be communicating to people, you know?

36:21 But it's like you were you were mentioning the community, the fireside, you know, the friction, you know? Yeah. The hearth. We don't have those moments so much. And it's it's desperate. Yeah. Because the the human nature demands those things. And so then we put in fact similes for those things. Yeah. Doom scrolling and all this, you know, social media, which is a substitute.

36:50 Yeah. Yeah, it's a substitute. And then we don't understand why we feel disassociated, disconnected, disillusioned because we're on social media. Yeah. So we should feel connected, right? Yeah. So, you know, I've told you so many times now at this point, like, you know, disclaimer things will be repeated. That like, you know, someone needs to build that the right, the correct social media that returns people back to their nature, like helps people, helps guide people back to, well, apparently a component of it or an app.

37:18 And it needs to be daily aphorisms and idioms. No doubt. You know. No doubt. So. So one of the things that I have in my plans for social media is this idea of like, mini quests, right? So like, there's also a big contact thing behind the scenes. Like, you know, if, if you and I are friends, your contact information is available to me.

37:41 Yeah, right. And vice versa, based on our status, if your family like, you get everything date of birth, you know what information you get automatically by default in your network is based on your associations, right? If it's just a connected to the plans, then you get like their name and you know a couple of details. But if there's someone that's like family you get their all the information on them that's, you know, address.

38:03 So is there more than just a checkbox to say it's family or is it just, I just kind of worked that out to, to like, make it a double affirmation. So like the person like, so both people affirm that. Okay. Right. Yeah. And then also combine out some of the information, but that's a little detailed. The, the I was just curious.

38:23 Yeah. The idea though is these mini quest, for example, I did a prompt one day. I call them prompts, but you can look at it as many quests. So my prompts for let's say Friday, you could do it right. Your friend John, I got a friend I don't want to know if I can say his last name, but John s right, right, John because I haven't I haven't spoken with him in a while.

38:42 Right. And the prompt, my prompt or my mini question for the day is to write him a letter and here's his address. And so like everything is the data is there for me to do that. Yeah. And then it can even offer me like a 4 or 5 bullet points based on the social media history of things that it might want to refer to.

38:58 Right. In the military. How is your dog? Yeah. Yeah. How how is the kid? How's the dog? You know, so then I, I do this quest and I check off in the system that I did the quest. And the idea is that over time, it reaches my life and deepens my associations with others. See? It works. It didn't say do this within the social media.

39:17 It's like basically go offline and write this letter. Right, right, right. Dear John letter. Yeah. Hilarious. So, did you get the idea? Yeah, yeah. And it engages you with other platforms and really, I mean, you wouldn't do otherwise or even think to do it, right? And enhancement. It's kind of the opposite view of current social media. Continuous engagement is their goal.

39:42 But you know, if you love something, set it free. This is this is continuous engagement with life. And that's what social media should really be. Right. Help people engage in being human because enhance our human nature, not try to displace it. Something like that would become core to someone's routine. And you would get that continuous engagement because you're a positive force in their life.

40:07 And, you know, we talk about that dopamine hit. You're going to be a continual provider of such. Yeah. Someone makes a goal of like, I want to do, you know, this level of exercise. And they put in some metrics. They say, you know, here's my current status, here's how much I exercise. You know, they put in some data, right.

40:22 Yeah. Then you can run that through. Not that complex of an algorithm. Right. And it comes back with okay. Well we're going to try to help you get started. And here's your ramp up plan. Yeah. There you go. That's exactly what I'm talking two words out of. Here's how you here's how you get to that. But then also we're going to the algorithm is going to put a little trajectory goal.

40:39 That's realistic. That's awesome. You see what I'm saying. Yeah. So we can use it as an augmented supplemental tool to enhance our lives. Yeah. So like maybe day one is just put on your your running shoes. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even get comfortable enough. Don't even have to run. Just put on your don't even have to jog or walk or whatever the exercise that you selected.

40:56 Right. Yeah. And the exercise that it helped you select was germane to where you're at in your life right now. Right. Have you exercise in the last six months? No. Okay. Well, maybe you shouldn't talk about your marathon name, right? It's not to be couch to marathon today. Yeah. Let's talk about putting on the outfit. Yeah. See what I'm saying?

41:11 Yeah. And then have that ramp up plan, as you said, and have it there for you. It's just there for you, for the taking. You don't have to do any of this stuff. It's just there. It's there for the important thing is all right. Facebook, when it first came out, didn't have a lot of features that was provided by third parties that they paid a ton of money to.

41:30 You know, all these apps, all these tests, all these things that were added. But what you're saying is these things will be built in to the social media platform, and they won't necessarily be segmented. Market segmented through paywalls. Exactly. This is part of the platform that you're building to engage, to increase to further people. And if you're instead of being a unpaid content creator, that then they just use to entice other people to watch ads.

42:03 Yes. Right. This social media is completely different. If you're a content creator and you're helping build this fabric a positive way, you know, build, build others up and stuff like that, you get a paycheck. There we go. You share in the revenue stream of what's being created. And that doesn't have to be, you know, ads, ads. Our ads can actually be appropriate.

42:22 Sure. When they're allocated in the right manner. Yeah. So like, you know, come on. If there's someone that has a business, nobody would ever know about that business if there wasn't advertising. Right. So advertising is like a necessary fabric. You have to like, you know, it's but inundating people with that. Right. Right. Yeah. But so, like, you know, let's just say, for argument's sake that that I want to contribute in, I want to I want to know about goods and services that are in my community.

42:48 Right. Then I might want that I might like. Sure. And so, like I say to the social media site, I turn on that setting, I say, okay, please allow me to look, lads. Right. Allow me to see ads that that follow my interest based on the interests that I specify and the interest that can be an algorithmic algorithm, really determined through my post and through my engagement through my social media engagements.

43:11 Right. You say you check those two separate boxes. You know, show me ads based on these interests, and you specify and or show me ads based on my profile, based on my my data, my social media data that I've have accumulated right within the system. And now the ad revenue that comes from the display of those ads in your stream, you get a portion of that ad revenue paid to you.

43:34 That is so awesome. Because why shouldn't you. You should because you're you're attention had been sold. Amen. That's exactly right. And that has a value. Yes. And so since you since you know, you're not getting 100% value, the system would have to make money to for putting all this. But you're getting more than you would have on Facebook.

43:53 Yeah, exactly. Facebook keeps 100% of the revenue plus. Yeah. You know, every click through is like a dollar. And it's crazy the amount. Right. Yeah. And you know, if so what are you talking about? Given the average user generated 1,520% off the top, something like that. Whatever, you know, makes it has to be an analysis done. But right.

44:11 You got to figure out what makes sense enough to make it worth turning on the feature, you know, and these are all things that are determinable. You can determine what the what the add value is once you have the data set, you know. So so basically make the payout via data driven thing, you know and open to above board.

44:29 You know this is how we this is how we go about partitioning out the funds. You know and here's why. You know, the our system of servers and networks and engineers and stuff like that. Right. Necessitates that we have to bring in this much revenue. We do that through these means. The whole idea is to be transparent. Yeah.

44:50 So because you're trying to participate in the social fabric, so you're doing it from a nonprofit perspective and a nonprofit. It's a charity. We are because you have the data. You're presenting it. Absolutely. And you're.

45:09 That transparency. You want to pervade every facet of this thing, right? You know, and that's not easy to do. That's great that you're going to build up on the outset with that. Not easy to do, but at the same time it's necessary and it is doable. You know, and especially if you design with that goal. Yeah. You might have to have.

45:30 You might have to have on staff some pretty hard hitting, you know, data scientists and engineers. Oh, 100%. You know, to to accomplish these, you you're going to have to have some of the top people. But that's the kind of thing we want our data and statisticians working on, not working on, you know, how we can help some company carve up profits better.

45:47 You know. Right. You know, how can we high frequency trade better? You know what we need? We need. But that's where the data scientists are getting paid right now. That's right. That's. So you want to pay them through this kind of medium instead, and, you know, start to recruit some of the best writers, you know, this type of thing.

46:02 Yeah. So, you know, the system would need funding generated internally. You don't want this to be a charity thing to where you're begging your charity, begging all the time. No, there's incredible money in social media. So social media done right and taking some of the taking money to to make it even better every day is it's totally appropriate.

46:18 It's totally appropriate. Oh, 100%. You know, you're making everyone partners in it instead of, you know, being the. Yeah, instead of instead of farming people. You have partners. Yes. And the first thing that something we haven't got on the recording yet and I think it's instrumental, is this idea of, of how we label and look at other people.

46:39 So when we start to label and look at everyone as a consumer, that's becomes our mentality. So there's there's many things. There's much embedded in the name. Right? Yes. In a word. Words have meaning. And so when you when you look at everybody in society or in the world as consumers like that has like a infants on a tip.

46:59 You know, yeah, that's a media connotations to when you meet someone, you know, like connotation to me. Yeah it is. There's no there's no substance. It's just a consumer almost like a widget. You are replaceable. You are a cog. You are. You're a resource to be farmed. Right. You're a resource to be extracted. Yes. Right. And so corporate America doesn't hide it.

47:23 They call people human resources. Damn. They don't even try to hide it. No, it's it's above board. And so the relationship, you can use that language to understand what the relationship is from day one, from the very beginning. Yeah. You're a human resource. You're not a human being. Right. So it's wildly inappropriate to. And resources are to be managed and collected.

47:47 Consumed? Yes. Consumed is the biggest point here. They want to consume you. Yeah. And then, you know, just that qualifier saying, you know, human resource in it's so common in Irvine accurate you know that was accepted. Except that kind of language is kind of like a no thought. You know it's just passive. But but it's but it's there and it has profound meaning.

48:12 So, you know, if you sign up for a corporation and in their department, they have someone that's, you know, a certain type of individual, you know, at the top or at the board, you know, and decide, wait a minute, this is a different kind company. We're going to have personnel here. We're not going to have human resources. We're going to have personnel department because person is part of the word.

48:31 Yes. And what we're doing is we're looking we're looking to make profit and we're looking to accumulate, grow. Right. And at the same time, we're looking to have equity and be equitable through every echelon, including our relationship, psychological relationship with our employees and our customers. So respect personhood across the board and the uniqueness. Yeah. And the uniqueness that that provides.

48:55 And, you know, you're basically embracing all the problems that HR, the HR mindset wants to sweep under the rug. I mean, so it's wildly inappropriate to refer to him as resources to my, to my mind because of them. And you know every human being on the planet should be shouldn't be a means to an end for some other person's goal.

49:19 They should be an end unto themselves. Yes. What I mean? Yes. It shouldn't be. You know, Elon Musk at the top gets billions because of all the resources he has managed to consume on his way up to the top. Sure. And then insert other corporatist here, you know. Right. Any corporatist? I'm just Musk came to mind because his smugness.

49:44 Yeah, it drills into my very soul. That can be a self-defeating thing at the end of the day, because you can have that. That smugness and arrogance could can work against you and have people just naturally undermine you without even knowing their undermining. Oh, I mean, if it were possible for me to undermine that man, I would rest my case.

50:05 So there's probably lots of others that can have some hand in undermining him that that might do it without unconsciously. Right, right. Or maliciously comply with his wishes. Yeah. Which has been one of my favorite concepts of late. Malicious compliance. Yeah. Terrible. Careful. Because then someone that could trigger something at Human Resource. It could. Human resources. Good. I'm not saying I'm applying it to my own corporate livelihood.

50:34 I just find the idea hilarious. Right. So, okay. One, to be fair, a corporation that refers to people as human resources, at least as being honest.

50:47 Least you might know what you're getting. Yeah. That's right. But the thing is, I think you just start when you introduce her to everyone as your bitch. Oh, sure. Right. That's it. This is my main bitch. And she's surprised when the relationship isn't everything she had hoped for. Right. You know, at least there was some upfront there. That's true.

51:05 And, you know, especially if the side conversation was like the private conversation with this lady was like, look, this is never going anywhere. You're just you're just the, you know, you're my toy or whatever, right? Yeah. You're I come down not interested in the kind of long term relationship I don't want anything to do with those two kids, you know?

51:20 You know. Right. And I'm not going to be. I'm not going to be married with other people's children. You know, that's the relationship right up front. And if she then later on when you know she wants something other than that and the relationship is, is shocked and confused. That's really kind of on her.

51:35 Am I wrong? Oh, no, you're not. You're not wrong at all. I mean, so at least with the corporate. But there's been some upfront there. I think there's like the employee contract. Yeah. Right. The employee contract. But I think there's something else here that this human resource is the word. The concept has been bandied about so much, it's been blunted.

51:57 Yes, exactly. And you just like saying she's my bitch. Could be 1 to 2 in certain sectors. Certain spheres? Yeah. And you've just added the point back to it. You've sharpened it again and said, hey, look at this gleaming point that someone's about to drive into you like a knife. You know, it's like, because I never really thought about really what that means.

52:20 A resource and all that entails. Because they're managing you like a renewable resource. And, you know, that's the way they're thinking about you. They know you will be eventually consumed and replaced. Yeah. And, you know, so same thing. I mean, you know, I wonder why we we get into moments in our lives where we feel hollow and empty.

52:44 It's because key things that are Jermain and so important to our lives have been abstracted by these systems. Right. And so then the collective net feeling that people end up with left holding a bag is a very wanting feeling. Right? Right. They're not part of a personnel of a company that they're proud to represent. They're not being fulfilled.

53:04 Right. That's what I'm saying. Okay. And so the the abstraction of layers of these things, like human resources. Yeah, has its advantages for profits, because we're not going to get down into the fact that that guy's kid is sick. Right. And he needs these kind of things. We're going to ignore those details. Yeah. Because it's just a human resource.

53:22 Right. And we gave you PTO. Use it. That's right. That's right. It's structured to structure it in a way that you agreed is fair when you signed up for the contract. And now that your kid is sick with leukemia is just. We don't have time for that. That that the company as a whole doesn't have time for that.

53:38 Yeah. And so I'm sorry. You are a resource. Yeah. And that, that that kind of omnipresence of that being, you know, canvased across all society is a hollowing out of the soul of our nation. Yeah. For sure. Because, you know, you get people then into a consumer model to where everything just becomes abstracted like that. It's all through the idea of money, which is another abstraction.

54:01 And so when we only deal with life through a series of abstractions and then wonder why we're left empty. I mean, that's just crazy town. And also, going back to your earlier conversation, when we only deal with life through a set of abstractions and wonder why kids don't have the basics. Yeah. Great. Great point. Okay, you answered that.

54:19 You just answered the question. Thank you. That's what I was looking for because I was looking for. Why is that so? Yeah. You just pointed out that I already had. The user just didn't put it together. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And so we ever increasingly are giving these kids more abstractions like through the through their phone, through their tablet.

54:37 Right. And that's the level they're interacting on. But they don't have those foundations. So so we need to take these kids fishing. Yes. We need the the hirth the fishing and the dynamite. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Done on my fishing help. But yes, exactly. They need more of that. Oh, man. He knows grabbers like the little things you squeeze at the end and then, like, you know, like three feet away, it grabs it.

55:06 Yeah. Yeah. I would still like dynamite fish if I had that. No way. I'm holding the stick of dynamite in my hand. I'm too much of a pussy if that's got a short fuze. Hell, no. Right. We need. We need to, like, engineer. Like a battle bot that holds the very specific for dynamite. Yeah. You know, like, so pretty much no matter what, even if you drop it, it's far enough away.

55:28 Yeah. Like, this thing is holding it quite a few feet away from you. So. So there's this thing called the M1, and I think it's what it's called, something it's functional. Equivalent to a quarter stick of dynamite. Oh, sure. And, my mom's boyfriend had some of these things, and, you know, I just decided to be really fucking stupid.

55:48 And I was like, you know, I want to create some chaos. So that was up late at night and everybody was asleep, and she had a basement to this apartment. So here I have a basement and m 1000 quarter, quarter stick of dynamite. Oh, shit. And mischievous, stupid mentality. Oh, yeah. So what I decided to do to have some fun disclaimer that just means he's a kid, and these things should not have been available to them.

56:14 So, it wasn't like, under lock and key. Yeah. You know, it was like, in a little basket with with, like, a button and a string and some, you know, some, some some old M&Ms and, you know, like a fucking basically, like, surely dangerous grenade, you know, in with all this other stuff. And if I and if I get a chance to tell you the story of this guy, you know, kind of makes sense.

56:36 When he passed away several years ago, his his his a house that was up in the woods. Yeah. Was cordoned off, and they brought in a whole team of special engineers because he had what was quoted in the news as a newspaper, as an arsenal. Like live grenades, you know, etc., like all this kind of shit.

56:58 And not because he was not even a military guy. He was just had this affinity towards the glam of, of like, you know, war stuff. Yeah. And so he had really good corporate job and had great pay and, you know, great benefits, all kinds of stuff. So he was like, you know, he was going to put his life where he could accumulate something that he liked to as a hobby.

57:18 So things that he liked to accumulate was military stuff. Yeah. Because he was just into it. Yeah. So, like, no shit. It wasn't like he was trying to be the Unabomber. He just liked. Not at all. Not at all. Right. And so, like, you know, he would take a grenade and throw it and just see what it would do, you know?

57:33 And he'd cheat a machine gun. He'd have, like, a machine gun with the with the with the with the band of rounds, you know, and, he would like, have people over and he'd take the Jeep out and mount the machine gun on the back of the jeep and drive out in the woods and blow up a target.

57:48 I mean, yeah, it's kind of redneck fun. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, yeah, it's a good time. You know? So. But when you don't know who this person is, you don't know anything about their life, and they die. And you're like a law enforcement, and you go to this guy's house and all of a sudden, you see, like, military equipment, jeeps, you know?

58:03 Right. You guy had some shit, you know? Yeah. And, it might freak out a little bit. So they called him, of a bomb squad. Right. Right. I can get into this, but. But anyway, so that's kind of who this guy is. So when he was, he was dating my mom. So when he was visiting her at the apartment, he brought over some and 1000.

58:19 So these, these, like, quarter stick of dynamite. I don't know if it's a m, 1000, whatever it was, whatever. Yeah, but, yeah, that makes sense. We're distinguishing it from the M80, which is tiny and does explode. Might get rid of a finger, but this quarter stick of dynamite is going to do some serious damage. And I'll take your hands.

58:35 Yeah, I do. And so I was very scared of it and wrong. So like, you know, I don't know how fast the fuzes on this thing was pretty long, but I had this I had this idea in my mind that, God forbid, I'm holding my hand and light. The fuze in the fuze was like, yeah. Right. Like, you know, it's gonna blow my face off here.

58:52 A wily coyote moment there. Yeah. And so what I did was I got knowest people. Most people are not going to get that reference, are they? Go ahead. So I brought this thing down into the basement, and I was like, I really want to, you know, I want to blow this thing off. Yeah. And, nothing was around.

59:06 So I was like, you know, it's okay. It's like here on the concrete floor. It's not going to cause any damage. Yeah. Yeah. And, you'll see though. So what I did was I. I took a piece of, tissue paper, facial tissue, like a Kleenex, and I rolled it up like a, like a dubious most. And I put that onto the end of the fuze.

59:25 Right. So that I could light the tissue paper. And then when the tissue started to flame up, I could run away, right, so that the fuze, when the fuze finally did spark, I had like a five second delay at least. Yeah. To where the very end of the fuze was lit. That makes sense to me. So like just be extra sure that I'm hell hella away from this thing.

59:42 Yeah. I used to make similar fuzes with, like, a roll of those pop caps on paper and some wax. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So I just made my own, like, safety. Yeah. So anyway, I like this thing off and the flame start, start, start getting closer and closer to the end of the fuze. And I'm like, this is going to happen.

1:00:02 Yeah. And so I took a basket that was down there like a wicker basket. And I put it over it because you know I don't know why. Like somehow it seemed like it contained it. Yeah yeah yeah. And so then I ran back upstairs. You know, fast. I jumped on the couch and pretended I was asleep. Yeah. And I waited.

1:00:19 Yeah. And I waited and I waited and I'm like. It didn't go off. Oh, shit. It must have, must have. It must have went out. Oh, shit. And so then, like, I've, like, I'm gonna have to just go down there in the morning because, you know, I can't go back down there right now. You know, God forbid, though.

1:00:37 Oh, no no no, no. Oh, I'm on the couch. Like. Okay. You still, at this point, I've, like, forgot about it. Never forgot about it, but I've relaxed that it's not going. It's not going to go off. And as soon as I entered that phase of like, oh, it's not going to blow. Boom. So it took me by surprise and scared the shit out.

1:00:56 And this was a blast. Like I had not anticipated. Like I expect to be allowed like this rocked the foundations of the apartment. Yes, exactly. And this apartment is attached to another apartment. To another apartment. And so there ain't no way that everyone in the neighborhood didn't just hear this. This like what sounded like a gas explosion, you know, like natural gas pipeline or something.

1:01:15 Go off. Well, needless to say, every late in the neighborhood came on every, you know, dogs are barking, car alarm going off, you know, like, and, my mom comes down and this guy, his name was George. He comes down as well. And, you know, basically try to investigate what happened. And, I didn't admit to anything.

1:01:39 Of course. Well, now the neighborhood is blowing up with fire and police, and, you know, something major happened. There's no doubt about it. And so, the whole time I maintained this disposition of, like, I have no idea what that was.

1:01:55 And this thing had exploded in the basement, shattered that wicker basket into just fragments. Right. And it sent all these little tiny shards of wicker to the winds in the basement, which actually worked because it like, there was no real evidence the way it blew up and scattered. It wasn't like a corpse. It just, like, fragmented it. Right?

1:02:18 Yeah. And there wasn't even a scorch mark on the on the ground. It's like. It's like the shockwave blast. Like cleaned. That's awesome. That's incredible. Right. Because later. Because there was gunsmoke, you know, smell in the basement, right? But nobody went into the basement because they were asleep on the upper floor. So there were two floors away from the from the explosion.

1:02:39 Okay, so the whole place jumps, you know, like shockwave, right? But they didn't associate in their mind that that could have been in the basement. Right. Right. So when they came downstairs, there was like this really slight tiny in the, in the, in the, on the ground floor, slight, tiny kind of gunsmoke and smell of the gunpowder. Yeah.

1:02:57 But, not enough to, like, suspect anything. And so, like, it's like poking the hornet's nest, like they're bees everywhere, but in this form of cops and, you know, police knocking on doors asking what happened. Everyone was like, I have no idea. Just, you know, loud noise, you know? Okay. And, dude, I got away with it, man. That's awesome.

1:03:15 You got away with it. And I, I really think. But they were, like, stoned too, and you know. Sure. But I really think that there are kids have to get away with some things every now. And I shouldn't have been away with it. I mean, no, no, but there should have been accountability. There should have been. But I also feel like it's healthy for a kid to pull some shit off every now and then.

1:03:40 Agree? I agree. Agree. But see, that's the thing now is that we, you know, I don't trust my kids to not blow their hands off, right? And so, like, I'm comfortable with them on the tablet and I'm comfortable with them on the game system and whatever. Sure. Because I know they're not going to get their hands blown off, but they're probably being subjected to even worse elements.

1:03:59 Yes. Right. So it's like it's it's inappropriate. So it's like basically you need to spend a lot more time fishing. That makes sense. That makes analog activities to to supplement what they're experiencing in their digital world to to to make it less abstract, make their lives less that track and more concrete. That's it, that's it. We're talking about more concrete, tangible and fully engaged activity.

1:04:28 Whether it be when I keep toying with the idea of doing is doing some experiments with Willow. She likes doing things. She's really gotten into reading books finally. But she likes doing stuff like she wants an activity with a defined goal. So if you go dynamite fishing, just use a grabber to light the dynamite. Yeah. Throw it using the grabber.

1:04:51 Yeah. Which would probably slide out of the grabber and right into the boat that we're in. Yes. And she will remember that experience. Yes. She might have also lost a few toes. Nearly drowned, you know, nearly bled out. It's really good that we've done begun to teach her to swim. Yeah, yeah. Be an experience. It'll leave a mark upon her life.

1:05:16 And you'll be in jail for. Yeah, that's if I survive.

1:05:23 Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. You want to go to jail for maiming a child? Oh, God. Oh. All right. Maybe just leave her on the tablet.

1:05:33 What do you need to rethink this whole thing? Yeah, or maybe we need to take the word dynamite out of the whole activity. So. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Let's remove the dynamite element. So? So think about this. This idea. Right. Is that imagination is really critical to like, you know, we did a thought experiment on our way over here.

1:05:51 You, like, use that kind of idea of this head thing that when you're just, you know, somebody, you know, I just use that exercise to shed light on reality, which then can help us, you know, cut through some of the, some of the, some of the, I don't know, more typical detail. More difficult detail. Yeah. Kind of kind of reduce it to what?

1:06:12 It's what it is. Right. And then you use that to have some insight. Well, imagination I, I had this this was just last night. And Nova Scotia, when we were talking, I had this epiphany about imagination. And what it is, is that, you can imagine. You can imagine, pun intended. Is that, the boundaries by which you allow the imagination to explore?

1:06:35 Not not necessarily by by malice or by intent, but by environment. Right. So human beings are going to be highly imaginative, creative, especially the more things are exposed to, the more you know their imagination will associate more things. They have more data points for their imagination to associate with get. You know, I worked in the patent office, and so he had access to all, like the greatest inventions at the time.

1:06:57 And this was like, you know, really great minds. And he's sitting there having to understand everything. And so he's like, has to put his mind around the top minds of, you know, so working in the patent office wasn't a bad thing for him. So, so it caused him to have a creativity and imagination because he would expose to all these things, and he was able to understand the boundaries of the state of the art, which I think is critical for a creator.

1:07:20 Yeah. There you go. There you go. That's what I'm getting at. And so these so for for me, when I was a kid and, you know, life was about going through the woods and, you know, riding my bike and acting with all these different things, going water skiing, you know, my friend had a father, had a boat down at the lake and, you know, so we'd go, you know, diving off the dock and there's all this kind of shit wild all over the place.

1:07:43 Yes. You know, I wasn't I wasn't in a in a in a, artificial, contained environment. Yeah. Where where everything was harmonically sealed. Where everything was cordoned off. You weren't the bubble boy that we seem to be creating now. Right. And so the kids sitting in front of the wanting to be a content creator, the whole digital space becoming now the boundaries of that imagination.

1:08:05 What you have in Lisa case, in my kids, is there a more creative and imaginative than I were that I was? I'll have to just imagine. It's true, right? But they're but their breadth of experience. Yeah. Right. But but their range is is very limited. So what I'm saying but what's so really wild and odd about it is that the, this virtual world, these virtual worlds are like the different games or different, you know, the different videos and all the kind of thing that they're into.

1:08:31 The, the range within that own subcategory is very broad and incredibly vast, right. But it's still within that digital domain. And so even though it's massive inside that boundary, it's still is massive. And so therefore the total quantity of imagination they have, the creativity they have is greater than I had when I was a kid. But there's this clip to that certain domain.

1:08:55 See what I'm trying to say? Yes. But it's also arguable that having success in that domain is kind of the future. Yes. Can't deny that. Yeah. And so the to make them more dynamic and to give them the best opportunity round things out. Yes. Round them out but still say it's okay for them to have that huge imagination, creative exploration in that digital space because that's going to be the future.

1:09:17 But you want them to have that exploration, that hunger in the analog space as well. Yeah. So when it comes to like thinking of some new idea, shall we? Yeah. Continue. Yeah. So so let me get this this idea out so I don't lose it. Okay. Is that for me? Like what I do these, like, group projects and stuff.

1:09:39 You see, whatever. The younger people can't understand how I can come up with ideas so fast and have them be detailed so quickly. Right. And so, like, what happens in these, like, group projects that we have and stuff like that. They want to just all say, you know, like you take charge and they take it over and I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that.

1:09:59 You know, because like, here's the prompt. And then as soon as I'm hit with the prompt, I'm like, have well, here's an idea, blah, blah, blah. And they're like shocked that I can come up with such a detailed idea so quickly. Right. Well, I'm 48 years old, but a lot of worldly experience. And, you know, I and the process that it is takes experience and practice.

1:10:22 And, you know, I think that's what.

1:10:28 I've encountered the same thing when I was in school, kids gave up quick when it came to that. Like that seemed like the biggest hurdle to them coming up with the idea. Yep. And you know, I would often try to facilitate ideation instead of, like you said, because if you offer up your first ideas, it does almost make them feel robbed.

1:10:51 Yeah, it does almost make them feel like they can't participate. Right. So I refuse to let that happen. You know, I throw out the idea, okay. And then try my best to make sure that you're filling in the blanks. Yes. And so then at least, you know, it's at the end of the day, it ends up being a shared.

1:11:09 So like. Yeah, sure. I did the initial push and probably end up doing a majority of the work. Sure. But at the same time, I wasn't. But you've engaged these kids and they've gotten some value out of it. Yeah, I'm not going to allow it. I'm not going to allow them to not participate. You know. Yeah. Fuck that.

1:11:21 It's a group. Yeah. And there they are. Happy to just let someone else completely do all the work. Absolutely. You know, and, you know, so what I do is I'm just blunt about it and say, like, I'm not doing all this, you know, I'm not going to do all the work. But I'll. I'm happy to help in a maximum way I can.

1:11:40 I found some of the groups that I had were really fun, you know, because you got the right mix of people in there, and you were able to, you know, hand off things. And, you know, sometimes it was pretty. There was one group. There was this girl that I almost ended. She wanted me to go out with her.

1:12:00 I didn't, but she was in the group, and she, really dynamic. Cool girl. But she she does like PR now. And we got all of our work done in class. It was supposed to be like we were supposed to be dedicating two hours of a a week to it. It was me, her. And like, another girl and this other kid.

1:12:22 And we got it all done in 45 minutes every week. You know, it's like we were just on it. That's awesome. Yeah. The groups that I'm in, for the most part, are good stuff. This one guy and my one group who's a video game addict, it's crystal clear. Crystal clear. Based on the way he adds, it's crystal clear.

1:12:40 He can go to discord, and it shows on discord that he's playing a game during our meetings. Yeah, like, not that I'm spying on, but just right there. You can't. You can't miss it. And so I made mention of it. And then the following meeting. He wasn't on a game. It wasn't. I didn't make mention that I could see it on discord.

1:12:56 And they mentioned that, you know, so you seen distracting somebody. Could doing something else in meetings? Can you try to try to come to our next meeting, focus specifically on the meeting because it seems like you're distracting, right? Even though I had direct evidence, I knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah. All the signs and symptoms of video game addict, right?

1:13:12 But he came to the next meeting. He was respectful. He came to the next meeting, and he wasn't playing a game. He was appointed to this court, and all of a sudden he opened up a floodgate. Like he's talking the whole time and won't stop. That's awesome. Yeah. So so that's that's the thing about these, these younger people, is there this video world of Digital World has, has really, really piqued their, their imagination and creativity.

1:13:38 And boy, if you can direct that down into a, you know, tangible goal, it's going to be really powerful. So I think we might actually be setting them up for tremendous success. We are we make sure we have the breath. Yes, Brett, because breath is way more important than death depth. You acquire over time. The breadth is essential.

1:13:59 So that should be like kind of the new form of education is to make the fundamentals help the kids who have the fundamentals right, and then work on getting that that breadth of experience. So stupid idea here. Yeah, I know you're into education and all that. You know, about the the classical education, the quadrivium. Right. And so, I mean, do we do something like that?

1:14:25 You give kids almost a, not a survey course, but survey exposure to all of these major elements of knowledge and experience. Absolutely. Imagine if you had like, you know, really deep pockets and you wanted to raise your kid in a way. The only thing that you would really work on is like, homeschool your child and have them just have experience after experience, after experience.

1:14:48 There was this girl, go to Europe, go to Asia, go to have the experiences, walk the Great Wall. Don't read about it in the book. Yeah, if you did that, you'd have the you'd have a genius on your hand. There's this beautiful experience and that else. Remember, for the rest of my life, there was a girl and my third grade class.

1:15:07 Her parents must have been extremely well healed and able to do such a thing, because she was always gone. And she'd come back with these amazing stories. Now, she always kept up on her homework, so they were engaging with her, making sure she got stuff done, and she came back and she wasn't behind with us at school at all.

1:15:27 So her parents had to be insanely smart too, as well as well. Mind. So guided online learning for the book for the book workshop, right? But she was doing this back in the day before there was online learning. Yeah, that would be my vision. It was like online for all the minutia. Yeah, all the fundamentals, you know. Yeah.

1:15:42 Get your math assignment. Comic anime. Sure. And then the rest of your time is filled with action items. And I'm not even a charity she might experience. She might have been there a third of the year. Yeah. I'm not even shitting you. And we would always be so happy when she would come back, because she had all these experiences and she was such a great person to be around because she had all this depth.

1:16:07 So I visited lighthouse down in South Carolina, just part of, you know, family, you know, thing. I think we were Myrtle Beach or something. It was hard to do this side here. And, they had all these bricks, and these bricks had people's names on them. They, like, donated their name, were actually, like, carved into the brick, you know.

1:16:24 Wow. Person would sponsor, you know, the renovation, you know, charity project. And if you family, your family or you gave enough money, you'd have you name on one of these bricks, you know, so there's all these bricks with people's names and you can tell that the all the historic stuff that was about this lighthouse was so substantial, like, there's so much history involved with this lighthouse and by port and all the drama and things with seafarers.

1:16:48 Yeah. All the stuff was all like in recording this history. And, I was thinking like, you know, if we only could if we had the opportunity to, like, go in and understand that just small segment of, of American history, just from the perspective, like be able to just just take the time to just get to really know the history of that, that one place you just damn lighthouse in the middle of nowhere.

1:17:16 They even did this thing where the coastline had changed a little bit. And so the lighthouse is in jeopardy, falling into the sea. So they they engineered it and they put it on like train tracks, and they moved the whole damn thing back. Right. So it was like quite a distance away from the ocean now. So like, because it was a historical site now, not a lighthouse in use.

1:17:34 Right. So like just this one point, like on, on two acres of land or whatever. Right. Like the amount of had so many threads woven around it. My gosh. Yes. You know, and like the people who the sacrifice and I mean all of this stuff credibly rich just from one thing. But yeah, there's never any time. No. You know, it's like we're here's the tourist, get the picture and and go to the.

1:17:57 And this is why I have the social support like universal basic income. Because then that gives people time to dive into passion projects. So so wonderful. You know, and those passion projects, they might be niche and very specific, but they give people skills and abilities far beyond what they had previous to the project. Yeah. And they really add to the substantive nature of, you know, the experience of history.

1:18:21 And they do in a, in a, in a, in a detailed, you know, and conscientious way. Yeah. Not just like an excerpt. You know, somebody delving delved into the personalities behind, you know, the stuff. And they and eventually if they spend their life doing that, they'll be able to communicate those experiences give and maybe even create interactive touchpoints and things like that for people to dive in and experience the depth and richness of that.

1:18:50 You know, what a wonderful world we could have if, you know, our technology is inevitably used for the health and wellness of people and in Unlock Unlocking Life, you know, yes, if our technology is using that direction, you get the right kind of cultural, support support in place, right. Culture shifts to where, you know, being human is, is is is a valuable currency, like the ability to take care of someone.

1:19:15 You know, that that that needs your help, mental or physical or both. And that's, that's now an unseen social obligation sometimes. Or, you know, sometimes it's something you're forced into monetarily and otherwise and it's unrecognized. Yeah. We need to build the social media. Yeah. With the core, with the core of arching theme. Like so when when you work on a project that's super important, what you want to do is you want to define an overarching principle, just one, you know, clear kind of this mission statement.

1:19:49 Yeah, like a mission statement. But a I like to use the term overarching principle because it's not just saying, here's our objective, it's saying this is our purpose, okay. You know, and then when there's a design choice that needs to be made, does it fit the purpose? Yeah. You consult the overarching principle. Yeah. You go back to look at the overarching principle.

1:20:09 And then if it's not obvious then you, you know, work with the others in the group, but it almost always will be obvious. So like, you know, how should I make this? How should I make this, this, this piece? Should I actually architect it and build it? Yeah. Which is my design choices be go to the overarching principle.

1:20:24 Damn. And then that informs then exactly how it just naturally falls out. How it should be designed. Right? Yeah. Does it fit the overarching principle? It's kind of like, kind of like I said, of unit test for a piece of software, almost.

1:20:41 Yeah. That overarching principle concept is German to making something that hasn't has the right essence. That's awesome. Permeated throughout this entire. Right. Yeah. Because then you, you have focus and drive for the one goal.