Modern Corporate Racism & Causesumerism

0:00 Where you know you have a good job if you don't know what day it is. Well, is that a telltale sign they have a good job? You know, you don't know what day it is, you know, just kind of blend together. Well, that. But I mean, like, you're not like. So timeline accountable that, like, you know, you don't have to know that.

0:17 You don't even have to know the precise date. Right. Yeah. I really don't have deadlines. Okay, so you have a dream job, I guess, though maybe you can go on about taking on a second one like we talked about that day. Yeah. Like an over employee.com. Yeah. You're primed for a second one now, right? I mean, the amount of time I actually, you know, I'm doing like concerted, concentrated work.

0:52 Yeah. Is relatively low. Gotcha. It's like most of the time I'm just trying to seek out pieces of information. Uhhuh. Or, you know, share something with Carl or postman or. Yeah, yeah. Try to figure out how to set up a service. Cool. Well, set up a firewall rule. Nothing like stupid hard. Yeah. That's great. Well, I was thinking about.

1:23 I mean, just the fact that you know how to use those tools is a skill, for sure. So, you know, just that once valuable a lot of people have. I don't know what percentage of our listeners inevitably will be like, you know, understand what you just said, but that's okay. That's true. You know. I don't know. Who knows?

1:39 Our our demographic might end up being, like, really hardcore IP nerds. That'd be cool. That would be awesome. Especially if we get them folded into the conversation at some point. Yeah. Yeah. That's something I would like to do is like, open this whole thing up to to questions, you know, from Jane or from Ohio or whoever. And, you know, get that role and then be pretty cool because I know that, like, that's one thing.

2:01 Listening back over our podcast, you know, new ideas come to mind. And I'd love to interact. This wasn't me making it. I'd be like, I would love to interact with the content to some extent, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, it's it's, it's something I enjoy. Definitely. Like, I, I would have fun with, with interacting with it.

2:26 Yeah. If you weren't part of it. But you heard it, right. You subscribe to the podcast, and, you know, there's plenty of things that we've said that you'd probably want to make mention, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You're too sensitive, you know. That'd be cool. Must be just somehow already run across a fucking army of trolls. Yeah. Which. All right.

2:42 This might be fun in its own right. Yeah. Right. I think we have to prepare for that. Yeah. That's true. If we can kind of counter troll. Yeah. Just something I never really haven't done much of. I haven't really trolled much on the internet. I've not been that guy. Like, my thing, like making the 3 or 4, you know, like bogus accounts just for trolling.

3:00 I haven't really done that. It's not my deal. I'm just not, I'm just too lazy to do it. Yeah. One there's, like two. You know, I, I've never enjoyed trolling for its own sake. It's just not. Now, I will come back at somebody. If they come at me. That's fine. Yeah. I've never fished.

3:21 I've never, like, really done a lot of white, gray or black hat hacking. Yeah. I mean I've done there's a couple people that have asked me that know about my computer skills and have asked me to do stuff, and I was like, yeah, I, I'm not so sure about that. I'm not I'm not probably savvy enough to not get caught, you know.

3:38 Right. I'm not done with stuff that wasn't sanctioned or in a lab. Yeah. Fair enough. That's probably true with a lot of people. They they they could, but they don't. Because just, you know, it's too much risk. It's wrong. A lot of it's wrong here. Yeah. I mean, in general, you know, it's it's, fun, but, I would not, I wouldn't I don't think I can handle the idea of actually hurting one of these nameless, faceless corporations that have been granted more rights than an individual.

4:14 Good joke. Interestingly, though, I would definitely, if I, you know, had time, money, inclination and opportunity, I would definitely like, take some hardcore training around learning how to hack. Oh, yeah. Like on a, on a professional level, I think I'd be pretty damaged in that. Oh, yeah. There's, one, certification that's kind of entry level, but a lot of people are getting,

4:43 The OCP, it's changed fairly recently to be a little harder. But also in some ways more approachable because, big thing used to be a buffer overflow exploit. And now you might not actually get it in your, in your patch to do. Okay. But it's the offensive security certified practitioner and, who is unsophisticated. Yeah, it's a 24 hour test.

5:17 And then you get 24 hours to write the report. Okay. And, I failed at once. 24 hour test. That's pretty vibrant. Yeah. It's, you failed it once. Did you pass it on to Japan? I have not taken it again. You haven't taken me again. Okay. Well, you have the experience with it, so study up. You might write better results next time.

5:40 Oh, yeah. Definitely. And, you know, I've been doing ctfs and things like that to kind of bolster my experience to capture the flag events, all that. Gotcha. But but, and I've been taking some training on Indeed.com, but I'm not ready. It's so cool. Nice progress. You know, stepping stone in the direction. Oh, yeah. The thousand mile journey starts with the first step, John.

6:08 Oh, yeah. And it's. It's fun. I mean, the offensive security, they're the guys who made Kali Linux. If you mess with it. Yeah. No, I'm not that much. I'm familiar with it. Okay. So, I had on the way over here, I was thinking about, like, you know, we're walking in the morning. The traffic is relatively low, especially when we're smart and not walk through, like, you know, like, every so often I take us on some stupid road for some reason.

6:39 What do the cars you in general, a lot of in general, you know, we don't have a lot of cars going by like overall averaging, you know. Yeah. But I was thinking like, God forbid someone's like texting one one morning and just goes off the road and then, you know, you know, we turn this into like a fucking disability podcast.

6:58 Yeah. Oh, man. It's like two jackasses in wheelchairs. Now. I mean, that's a good alternate name. Yeah. Positively, rolling. Positively rolling comes the new. Yeah. Make the whole content converts to, like, all this stuff about wheelchair applications, accessibility, and, you know how we can make jokes like, you know, we roll. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah.

7:31 We have plastic bags now. We're rolling. But it's so, you know, it's like the precarious fragility of life. You know how fucking vulnerable we all really are. I mean, it wouldn't take much to, you know, change our lives forever and make us disabled, right? It's like, still, we're in the boundaries of, like, to my mind, like, at least I think we're still in the risk reward kind of zone where it's like, we're cool.

8:02 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not too worried about this prospect getting up, and, I mean, all right, we're not walking through neighborhoods where people are chronically fucked up. I and currently we're on a greenway with a lot of space between us and the road. Yeah. Yeah. And less traffic. We gotta stick to more of this format, right?

8:27 Yep. Right. Just for our audio quality. True. Yeah. Obviously can't do shit about the voice, but. Hey. Yeah. I mean, well, actually, that's not true. I take that back, as you said that. Like, if I was really worried about it, I could always, you know, invest in some voice coaching. Okay. You know, and then I'm thinking. Never really thought about that.

8:44 Yeah. Sound like a goddamn. What? You know, disc jockey or some kind of right newsreader, you know? Is that what I want? There was this guy. Ladies and gentlemen, in this episode of. You know, you know that's not me, man. That's not me. So I'm here. But there was this guy. Years ago, God would have had him in.

9:07 20 years ago at this point. He worked at, the there's a, Jack in the box in Pineville. Okay. He worked there at night. Yeah. And then was Reb he would you said Reb Reb Reb. All right. And, like, short for some, probably. His real name was rebel. He would go, he would answer.

9:31 He would. He was on the. They put him on the speaker. You know, the, for taking orders. You'd be like, welcome to Jack in the box. Yeah, this is Reb. Oh, jeez. And he was like, he had this old school and, radio announcer feel I might drive away. Was like, what does this have to do with fucking horrible, greasy food?

9:55 It was fucking awesome. And we got to know that. We got to know the guy, and I mean, you know, he was telling us he used to be a radio announcer and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it was it was pretty cool. Yes. I was, I was a DJ for fun at the private school.

10:11 I had an hour set. Yeah. And I went, I went there was an am, they had an am, tower that was like had, like, had like a 2 or 3 mile radius. So, like, everybody on campus was in it. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's playing like the cool tracks of the day. Yeah. You know, you used to be like.

10:31 Oh. Oh, but it's 15 minutes past the towers. Welcome to welcome to, you know, blah blah, blah. Yeah. You guys keep the conversation going. You keep the you learn to do it. You keep it flowing. Right. A cool little mixing board so you can, like, kind of, you know, cross state of track and do that kind of fun stuff.

10:46 So as you're talking, you know, you start the next music and, you know, it's kind of easy and kind of fun. Yeah, I was just playing music. I mean, who can't do that? I was a DJ for a little bit for the company that we hired to marry Desiree and I. Oh, cool. All right. And I was not very.

11:05 I wasn't as smooth as some people would be, but, they hired me to do it a few different times. That's pretty cool, man. It was kind of fun. I once I got $100 tip from the groom and $100 tip from. Hey, if you're making money, it's actually a professional, right? I don't know, a tip from the guy.

11:25 $100 tip from the, bride. And, the place that was working for one of their tips. I was like, fuck you. Hell, yeah. Fuck you. I was like, did you do the work? Did you hire me to do the work? Yeah. Okay, then the tips I get. Yeah. That boils my blood. And when some, like, restaurant owner takes the tips.

11:47 Yeah. Some shit like that. That I hate that kind of crap. You're a great service from some, you know, server, as they call them these days. You know, I like waiter or waitress because it's a shortcut. But, you know, a little bit of description about the person, right? But anyway, like, you know, you had a really good server and,

12:05 Yeah. You feeling good? You know, you have some good cash in your pocket that day or whatever. You're feeling generous. You're like, boom, 40 hour tip on a, you know, $50 bill. Yeah, sure. You know, and then the owner is like, all right, you know, fuck that. No. Yeah. It's and they, you know, thanks to the internet, we've all heard.

12:25 Oh, that's as need a relief over three.

12:32 Yeah. Relief like a f e or l e a f that like. Wow. How clever. Make like a tree and leave the. Haha. Or make, like a tree and relief. Oh, yeah. Oh the wordplay. So clever. Oh, I now feel motivated to do something about trees and the environment, even though in our temperate zone it means nothing like putting a tree is carbon zero.

13:01 Do you know what I mean? Our temperate climate zone. Yeah. In this particular, in this particular, like, climate, planting a tree is carbon zero. Like, does nothing at all whatsoever. In fact, it's better. In fact. What pavement is better? Yeah. Like like like pavement actually lowers the temperature of the air of the city area. Really? Yeah, yeah.

13:24 The city will have a lower temperature than the sea forest in this area. Wow. Yeah, right. Interesting. Yeah. Kind of like. So it's. I guess it's because of biomass. It's going to retain more heat and pavement in this area. Yeah, exactly. Like biomass doesn't doesn't lead to, like, a carbon, the carbon sink that it's like. So. That's right.

13:46 Like, so planting a tree in this area is just like a, like a symbolic act, if you will. Like, it's, Well, I mean, it probably does, you know, kind of filter the air at least a little, you think, but it doesn't. Yeah. Trees are like in the rainforest and shit where the soil can really, like, pull it down, like, really shit tons of carbon and whatnot.

14:12 And, you know, truly sequester it down in the soil. But, like, here, the trees life cycle, it just gives up, you know? It just gives up when it dies, it gives back all of its carbon dioxide. Well, yeah, but if you have old growth trees, you know, you've got an investment of the carbon sequestration. There, right? Yeah.

14:35 Well, trees at night, they breathe oxygen and release carbon dioxide. Right. But yeah. So, like, you can just you can you can, get the math on any particular, you know, you can get the math on any particular like climate region or and how much actual like carbon sequestration is in different, you know, trees and whatnot. So in some places it just doesn't do anything.

15:00 So there must be a tree that is more optimal for the climate region, probably south, probably south. And you know, let's not let's not, you know, forget the collateral things about trees, the beautification. Right. You know, like the shade that it provides, Yeah. Shade for a human, shade for an animal. A home for an animal. Right. So, I mean, those things.

15:21 I'm just talking about the pure carbon, right? Okay. Yeah. Hey, that's kind of interesting. Yeah, it is. It totally is. It is net zero, which kind of comes out in the wash. Yeah. So, like, you get this, like, oh. Company incorporation, let's say that says, oh, we're gonna plant five trees in XYZ Park, right? And they all go to Home Depot and get shovels and for bagging fertilizers and so on.

15:49 The fucking Hummers are the. Yeah, yeah. So we have this massive SUV, the branded Hummer from the company. Yeah. All right. Right. Well, they drive like this big SUV out to the park. Yeah. And to the store. Any any. And you, add up the carbon footprint of all the shit. The plastic bags, the fertilizer, I mean, everything, right?

16:12 You do the you do the carbon budget on what they're doing, right? And they just added more carbon than those trees will ever remove in this area. Yeah. I wonder really? It's like I said, you took all, I think, average trip to Home Depot. How many trees they'd have to plant? This what I'm talking about. You know, they got the golden shovel for the photo opportunity and all the bullshit, you know?

16:36 But is it like, you know, they would have zero everything out at 27.5 trees or something weird shit like that, you know? Oh, it probably in this zone would probably have to be 100 some, you know, like more trees than they could physically play in the day. Right? You have to see it. This is a interesting little building.

16:57 It is, you know, or they'd have to like, you know, reforest some place or something, you know. Right. It's to really make it be better. But this is like so typical of corporate, you know, it's like, they don't the road to profits is paved with good intentions. Yeah. It's all about I mean, I learned a little while ago, I'm sure you know it well as well.

17:21 Because Zoomer ism. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, I get it. Just in the name right? And, I mean, I think my favorite example and it's getting old, tattered and tired now is Tom's the shoes. Okay, okay. I will get worn with the Janie shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about that. So explain how that fits into the consumerism, you know.

17:47 So consumerism cause it is for your business with a car. Yeah. Okay. And using that to drive sales. Right. That's our primary marketing for us. Yeah, yeah. Or could be a secondary or tertiary effort, like you said with, Well, we plant trees every year in the community. Right. And then, you know, you do the math. Those what I'm talking about.

18:12 You get it down to brass tacks, you get it down to the actual, like, you know the truth. You get to the truth and you just start rolling your eyes. Yeah. It's like, okay, so let's say, for example, that, some company wants to be really environmentally friendly. We want to be carbon zero by 2040 or whatever.

18:32 Right? Okay. So the easiest way is allocate some of the budget to buying carbon credits. Yeah. But you look at what their activities are. And if you legitimately count like if you legitimately do the math, you know, you actually account for the things that produce carbon. They're not even on the fucking radar as far as like, you know, they have all these people go to the office and, you know, drive to the office, you gotta count that shit.

18:57 Yep. You gotta count the fucking farts, you know? Whatever. Right? I mean, you do not get the methane farts from all your fucking employees. There we go. You know? You know, or cheddar, you know, Taco Tuesday, you guys brought in a food truck and increased net methane. They don't count that, right? So just count the things that are, you know, whatever that they have the offsets for to make their claim.

19:20 And then, like, like you said, it goes back into consumerism. Yeah. It folds right back into this bullshit thing. It does because. So you just got to roll your eyes into this biscuit. Now that's a huge dogging it. Yeah, it is near. We're not right next to the yards we get here and there. Yeah, that's what I thought it was for a second.

19:43 I was. This is a strange neighborhood.

19:49 Like weird sounds to you, right? Yeah. It's not, we take a bit to get used to. It sounds like these, like like we're passing some bullshit is like. It's where somebody is in there giving a handy.

20:03 So the consumerism thing is, interesting to you from all these different aspects, like, you know, does it is that, like, kind of the ultimate evil when someone is just doing this, knowing full well that they don't even believe in it themselves, right. It's like it's just sort of a derivative marketing or is that all it is anyway?

20:19 You know, is that all marketing anyway? You know, I feel like, if you're careful and you personally give a shit, you could run a marketing department that actually does something. Yeah. I remember Bank of America coming to me back in the day, way back in the day before I joined the military. And I was run that, run that business.

20:42 We were doing web applications, database stuff and 3D printing. And that's not true. Pretty. I'm sorry. Large format. Okay. And, we were approached by Bank of America to make a, gay pride banner. Oh, shit. Okay, this is, like, a little bit when that was, you know, you say, get out of here. That you know.

21:02 Yeah. No. Get the hell out of here. I'm not printing that. Right. And I probably would have, because fuck this money. Well, we didn't really make that much on it, but, and we had a queue of, you know, we had to work. Okay, so you had steady queue. You didn't need to fill it didn't need to fill it at all.

21:17 Yeah. And, I was like, yeah, well for why not go. Yeah. And you know, that was back, you know, Bank of America making the banner. Okay. Right. So like it's all tied in. So you guys are doing like one of those printers. It's like 72in by whatever the fuck you have on the roll. Yeah. As long as the roll is right.

21:36 Yeah. And sure enough, you know, there's a bunch of people marching with that banner. Yeah. And, Yeah, of cool. Whatever. But, secretly watermark with your watermark. Yeah, yeah. It didn't lead to really any, any, massive additional business or anything, but at the same time, you know, Bank of America is not up to anything good. Really?

21:59 Correct. Yeah. I mean, what are they doing? Trying to get their name out there as soon as you say. Bank. Yeah. Yeah, right. You know, you start to consider the, set of activities they might be involved in, right? Right. I don't know. Yeah. It was, it was really like, I don't want to say obvious, but, you know, the bank doesn't have any legitimate skin in the game when it comes to the LGBTQ community.

22:23 Right? Back then or today, but that they're really going to try to champion it to, like you said, for sales. You know, I just don't trust it. I don't trust the board. It and I definitely don't trust the sincerity as far as like I properly accounting for things. I enjoy the idea of diversity and inclusion. And you know, I just can't see that a corporation.

22:49 I see it as more perpetuation of racism. But whatever I can, it's I think you know, the right way to have an impact and do something. And maybe it has in some places, but nowhere that I have words have I seen it up and I felt the measurable impact of it and people talking about it on the air, around the watercooler fondly or anything like that, where it's like, well, this really helps.

23:16 But again, you know, maybe I'm outside of that whole sphere. I really I have attended some of the meetings that we have like, Friends of the disabled to be, you know, this or that. And, you know, what can I do? Okay. If you're if you're right now, like at this point in your life is your age and your experience, if you're not fully looking past sex, age, race, you have sexual orientation, you're something fucking wrong with you, right?

23:49 Yeah. It's not up to the corporation to fix that shit. It's up to you to fix it because. Right. You know there's something wrong with you. If you know, no amount of computer based training is going to fix that exact that you read. My mind does exactly what I'm getting at. Exactly. And so you're the one that's fucked up, right?

24:06 You need to, like, change your social network. You need to change your exposure personally, you know, to fix that. And those are the two biggest things. If you're exposed more often and you change who you associate with more often than, yeah, your your attitude is going to change. So like let's say for example, in LinkedIn I get a I get a request for connection.

24:28 All right let's do this. I planted a neon planetoid in someone's room. Yeah. There we go. It's like the, number also reminds me a little bit of the, band icon for nice party. Oh, shit. A little bit. Yeah. So, like, you know, what I'm getting at here is, you know, I get a LinkedIn friend request, right?

24:49 And, or a connection request where, what do they call it? And, it says on there, you know, Tyrone Jackson has got a black guy, you know, faces on there and it says like, something in there like, marketing specialist. Okay, boom. Reject. Because I don't want someone to just to say, hey, you know, send me an automated marketing thing and badger me for a week to see if they can get a phone call or a meeting with me, right, to sell me some stupid shit sometimes.

25:21 You know, I've had more than one recruiter named Tyler, and they were they were, equally distributed amongst women and men. Yeah. So, you know, if that person is fucking white, green Chinese, I don't give a fuck if that's what I perceive. Then are is just somebody trying to market on LinkedIn. Reject. Yeah. Fuck. Conversely, if it's like, you know, anybody I don't care.

25:46 You know, zig zags or bait from white Zoltar right here and hit me up with, you know, hey, I'm afraid to piss looking to expand my philanthropy network because that's in my profile. Philanthropy. Right. And I notice that you have philanthropy in your profile as well, if that's what I get. You see what I'm saying? Right?

26:09 Then I'm like, boom, approve. And it doesn't matter. Like the color of the person. It matters. Like what the what the exchanges. Yeah. Most likely to be the content of how do they come at you. What are they asking for exactly. Exactly. And so like not that I've transcended race and all that kind of stuff, but the way I think about it fucking has.

26:29 I don't even think of race, like how much melanin someone has in their skin is not fucking important to me at all. Right? At all. But if somebody opens their mouth and they start sounding like a complete jackass and they don't do anything for other people and they're a piece of shit, I don't care what color they are.

26:43 Yeah, I'm going to reject them. And if they have a lot of melanin, I'm not going to say, oh, look at that nigger. You know, I didn't come into my mind, hey, we might want to be careful with that one. Yeah. It just doesn't come into my mind. I'm just saying we might want to be careful that words.

26:58 Now. Fuck that. Bullshit. Bullshit. No, no no no, I'm not playing that game. I'm saying it. I'm saying it in the context of how I don't think of that. Not right. Come on. No way. I'm not playing that game because. Because, you know, I'm not going to call them colored. I'm not going to call them Bipoc. Well, you know, whatever the latest fucking corporate buzzword is, which is Bipoc, by the way.

27:18 Yeah. You're exploiting that to me. You know, that's the latest word. Hey, you know, the latest racist woke word. You know, the people are using it, you know, and, yeah, just not playing that fucking game, man. And so I don't go around on the street thinking that way. I don't go around in business world thinking that way.

27:37 Now, I don't go along with my Facebook channels thinking that way now ever. Because, all right, if you do, you are limiting what ideas what, you know, approaches and people and processes you're exposed to. You're hurting yourself. And that's just too selfish and right. Not even to mention, like, what you're what you're reinforcing, you know, for reinforcing a false paradigm in your own head.

28:07 Yeah. And for your children. You're modeling incorrectly for behavior. Right? That's that's all like it's 20, 22 people. Let's get the fuck past it. And when the when the corporation says, oh, we have to have diversity. And I know there's tax incentives and there's all this bullshit behind the scenes, I get all that right. But sir, when, when, when, when the company is like, you know, you look at the social network of the hiring manager online and there's not a single person of color, and then they're the ones doing the fucking diversity check.

28:35 Fuck you. You don't know what you're talking about, right? It's like, shut the fuck up. Seriously, there was this guy series like he was a recruiter, a payment processor around Charlotte and then was David. He was, and I did the social media check, you know. And I was pleasantly surprised at the depth and breadth this guy's network.

29:00 Yeah. That's the way it should be man. If you're going to be like modern right. Yeah. But it's like I can't even describe it like because, because in my mind I only see the color of the skin as just a quantity of melanin. Just like I would see if they speak or if they have blond hair. What a population of people.

29:21 10,000 years to change the human bone and content of their skin. So if you and your family and 100 other families moved to, you know, down near, near the equator, you would be darker and around 10,000 years? Yeah, it's just another feature of humanity. And that's what I'm saying. Yes, it it just depends on where did you where did your family come from.

29:49 So I just look at it from the scientific aspect. Right. And then the whole entire race issue is a nonstarter. It's just the human beings. And that's it is as far as it goes. Yep. Right. All these little genetic traits that have all their, you know, fine, have this like history of where it comes all irrelevant. Right? Yeah.

30:07 It's like we're genetically compatible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're not different species, if I need blood, all I care is that the person had the right blood type. Yeah, not how much melanin they had. Right. We aren't different races. We. There's no, there's there's no such thing that it is just genetic. The abundance of genetic variation in our genome.

30:28 Yeah. So the whole thing is just this fabricated social structure that we've put on top of this one trait that we decided to decided to make it, layers and layers of social structure, including the diversity training at the at your woke ass company. You see, I mean, you could argue the diversity training work similar to how. And, the colonial days when, say, Britain or, you know, whoever Spain invaded in Ireland and took over the culture.

31:06 Often what they tried to do was segment the society based on how much melanin someone had. Right? Artificially. All nonsense and you know, you know, the diversity training in some ways highlights that division and possibly creates even more fissures depending on how you're doing it. Yeah. And the jackasses of the time thought that if they, you know, for their syphilis, for their puffed penis, if they fucked a virgin, it would make it go away.

31:31 I mean, you know, they thought all kinds of stupid shit back then, too. So, so so why, you know, why bring that forward as any kind of relevancy into 2022? Come on. There's a scientific understanding of what makes someone's skin darker than than the next person. And so it's nothing more than the genetic traits for how much melanin you have for me.

31:49 These guys, we're out here just spreading syphilis to virgins. Exactly. Now. Because, like, you know, the whole witch trials and all this nonsense and and we have, we have our modern day equivalents, but, you know, my God, you know, the this, it's just so, so shortsighted and so uneducated. You know, it drives me crazy. You know, like the corporations, they always use these buzzwords like vertical markets, you know, or our product has a good fiduciary standing in the vertical market with this similar product in this domain, you know, all over the place.

32:21 The Gartner Magic Quadrant has us you know what they have the vertical market on really it's fucking topography. That's the they have the vertical market on it. You know, like, you know, Bank of America being involved with a whole bunch of companies that do payday loans, you know, fuck you and you know, fuck you. You're not doing anything for anybody who's trying to extract.

32:41 It's not just Bank of America, it's a lot of corporations have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Exactly. And, you know, then they do a mia culpa tour and it's all they pay a fractional fine to the whatever government agency. Yeah. You know that that finds them. So like they've really walked away with billions, but then they're paying a fraction of that.

33:02 Incredible. Fine. And now it's okay. Nobody's nobody's held responsible. You guys have made billions. We're gonna find you 1 billion. Yeah. So that's what I mean. It's like this. This company behind the scenes, doing this fucking thing that's ravaging the poor community, extracting incredible interest rates like, way beyond, you know, any kind of reasonable usury level. Yeah, but then let us print a banner for, for for a fringe for a, minority cause because we care about the community.

33:31 Right? Oh, come on, you see what I'm saying? And, you know, there's your there's your cause called a Sumer ism. Right? Cause Sumer ism right there. And it is finance. You know, it it really. And there may be individuals that care about that community are engaged with that community and are, you know, at least redirecting some of insert, large globe flying megalithic corporation name here their resources to actually helping something.

34:01 I don't know, but helping themselves to the corporate welfare, that's what they're doing. I would say governments requiring a certain number, checking the block, requiring a certain amount of diversity training that ends up having a net effect of nothing, or making the people that are already entrenched on the side either confirm what they've always believed or further reject privately.

34:21 Right. Like like if you have somebody who's, you know, hardcore racist person, let's say, right. And has learned to just mask it, okay. And you send them to diversity training, it's going to just make them double down. They're going to kind of use in a way what I'm saying as like, yeah, see, see, see. Right, right. They're just forcing me.

34:43 They're trying to force my mind to think a certain way when I have the freedom to think whatever the fuck I want, but I think there is value in understanding what they want you to achieve and where they're headed. And, you know, going ahead in adding some of that to your ability to, to act in a, in the corporate sphere, you know, so what's wrong in the corporate sphere of telling the HR or whoever's doing it to third party company, they bring in to do it, telling them that they're racist for doing this.

35:15 Right? What's wrong with that? Because I think they wouldn't agree with you for one. Well, that's fine, they don't have to agree. But let's look at the evidence. Okay. Let's look at the evidence. Now. You know we're going to have the debate, right. You can say, okay, I'm sitting in this room and you're presenting this scenario to me, trying to allow me to see my unconscious bias.

35:34 Right? Okay. And here's the scenario. You're working as a store clerk and a white guy and a black guy come into your store, right. And the black guy is like, looking around. He's like looking at the looking up in the air. Right. Okay. Am I white or black? Oh, you're yourself, you're white. I'm white. Okay. And so they're equal distance apart.

35:53 And part of your job description is you have to go and interact with customers. Like, how can I help you? Is there anything I can help you with today? You know, be polite. Yeah. And, you know, who do you go to first? Whoever's closest to me. Probably the guy who looks. It looks like he's, you know, looking around, shifty eyes and shit.

36:11 I don't because you're, like, suspicious. Maybe. Maybe. But it really depends. I seriously, when I worked retail, there are multiple customers, whoever is closest to me or whatever people. This is what I just said. Okay, well, whoever it looks like I can help the fastest because I'm lazy. Okay, that was my call. So. So what I've done is I've committed you automatically upfront, okay?

36:36 Like I've committed your mind to make race the issue here. You see what I'm saying? That's the first thing I did. I committed your mind to that. You have I made that the primary detail. You see, I'm trying to say I did make it the primary detail. Okay. Next, if you go to the white guy that works. Cool, man.

36:54 Pretty straightforward. One, two, three, four. You know, you go up to the white guy and now I'm going to tell you how you're racist. You go to the black guy and I'm like, oh, because he was like looking around, you know, you're suspicious of him, right? So now you're fucking racist in both choices. So, so what they've done, if they just set up a racist scenario and what they've just done is racist, that's racist.

37:17 To do that to somebody, they're pigeonholing you. You're pigeonholing you. Exactly. And I mean, and then trying to say it's your unconscious bias. It's their fucking scenario that's racist, Sean. That's what I'm saying. Right? Not use the boundaries. They put it around it. And which is exactly if they were to game it out and they had people in front of me, or they recorded my interaction as a retail worker, most of that probably wouldn't figure in.

37:46 So so you, you know, you look bigger, you look at the broader picture, you see the meta of this thing, right? And you see how nonsense it is. Right? And you know all that. Oh, what's going to get in your corporate party? What's going to get in your record to exist in the corporate world where this these things are being bandied about.

38:01 You take the training, you gather the essence of the training. You see the behaviors that they want you to have, and you double check you have that behavior and you roll on them. What I'm saying is that, like if you don't recognize it as racist, then you have something to worry about. If you don't recognize that training is racist, then you need to start doing the soul searching, reflecting.

38:22 I mean, they are putting the spotlight on the negativity. They're not putting. Amen. That's exactly what I'm saying. They're not putting the spotlight on positive interaction. Exactly. They're not putting the spotlight on.

38:37 Just treat people like people. That's all I'm talking about. And every institution that does the same thing all the way up and down government all the way up and down these big corporations, I think it best are just perpetuating the fucking problem at best. You know, it really comes across like, all right, so if you're racist, hide it.

38:56 That's exactly what it does. You know, it's exactly what it does. It just change someone and it doesn't really fix things. And that's exactly I'm talking about. You're reading my mind. And so like if you're the if you're the genuine person, okay, that says this in and of itself is inappropriate. Okay. And you and you're right about it.

39:16 All that's going to do is harm you in that environment, in that racist fucking environment. So so fuck the corporation that does that kind of bullshit. So ultimately, since, you know, the ineffective and harming don't come at it that way. Yeah, just ignore it. Either ignore it or, you know, maybe talk with someone directly one on one about it if you have strong convictions.

39:43 But, yeah, protesting during the diversity inclusion training. Not going to help you. All of them. Yeah. Like can can we just look at our lives and do like, you know, just ask ourselves like, if you can't have an honest conversation with yourself, you'll never have one, right? Right. So like, if you know, you just ask yourself internally, like search your feelings, you know, like say, hey, you know, if there's someone with darker skin, how do I really feel?

40:10 And if and if you feel threatened and intimidated, wonder why is that right? Right. Question your internal monologue. Do that right. That's what everyone should do about everything in their life, right? Introspection. And that's where you break the thing, you know, take the time to think and you know, okay, if the if the interaction that looms largest in your mind when you think back on the last time I was scared or intimidated is in a certain neighborhood or in a certain and in a certain time, you know, you need to unpack that to like, okay, why am I on edge?

40:44 Because of this environment, right? Sure. But then you have this like, other like, ridiculous danger factor that you're doing for yourself, like an unconscious bias that could be dangerous for you, right? Yeah. And like, so someone that you're in a certain neighborhood that that looks a little scary as it is, like, then maybe you should exit it is what I'm trying to say.

41:02 Yeah. Yeah. So so let's say somebody, you know, you're driving, you're a stoplight, and someone's like, kind of approaching your car with a big hoodie on their hands in their pockets. You know, you don't know what the hell why they have their hands in the pockets. It's like a warm day, was it? And, they're like, have a fucking scowl on their face.

41:15 And they're looking being right at you. Right? Yep. If you're like, oh, you know, oh, it can't be. I can't be a little nervous in this situation. You know, this if you think that like, oh, that looks kind of come up to you and they carjacked you. Yeah. Right. Then you just fucked yourself. And here's the thing. You'd be crazy to not.

41:34 I be wary of something like that. Healthy paranoia. I try to check, check on my daily level of paranoia. And sometimes it gets a lot and I have to fix it. But what if that guy was fucking black white Chinese? Like I said, gold. I said, nah, you haven't. You should have the same reaction. I can describe an exact situation where I did prevent this story from getting in the back seat of a car that summer, and I ran it just over a year ago.

42:03 Could have saved your life. Yes. So. And that's like natural and normal. What happened? Because you're some kind of racist? I was sitting I was sitting in a gas station in this neighborhood. This dude would he's got a earpiece on, and I'm like, just immediately looking at him like he's not actually talking to anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, the way he's looking at us, he's trying to look at us, but act like he's not looking at us.

42:29 Yeah. So you just picking up on all these subtle cues and your brain is putting it together, like, naturally it's supposed to for for, you know, danger to sense and and intuition here for a reason. And, you know, I'm not saying anything this summer, but I have my hand on the lock to lock all the doors. And he starts walking toward us.

42:46 The way he walks, he's walking in an angle to the car so I can tell he's actually been lining for us, but trying to act like he's doing it off that angle, right? And you're on top of it. Your intuition has gone off and spider senses are taking. Oh yeah, and something's not quite right. Lock the door. Moments before he gets to the car, and he actually tries to open the back door Jesus Christ.

43:09 And so like, you know, he's like he says out loud to us, oh, oh, sorry. I thought you were my friend. Like, no, you fucking did. Yeah, exactly. So, so like you could if you wanted to, like, you and Summer could be sitting there and gone. Gone through like this big mind fuck of your own. Of saying like, look how racist I am, right?

43:28 Right. And like, all of a sudden have all this quote unquote white guilt and all that really all I did was tell her I was like, see, sometimes paranoia is helpful. Yes. You're just a natural instinct. It's there. It's a survival mechanism for a reason. Right? If you don't think that some people in this world have bad intentions, you're a fucking idiot, right?

43:47 I don't care what you want to call race and blah blah blah. You're an idiot if you can't, you know, separate the bad intention and instinctual into your reaction to it. Yeah. You know, from if you can't separate that from some kind of like, woke social paradigm, you know, my god. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're separate things. Yeah. Someone intending you harm is completely separate from their outward appearance.

44:08 And and if and if that was a white black dude, white dude, any kind of dude. Right. It doesn't matter. You'd have the same fucking reaction if you saw the same set of behaviors. Yeah, and it really was the behavior. Exactly. I mean, it was the behavior that allowed me to predict, okay, he's probably coming over here to fuck with us.

44:26 And sure enough, and he was absolutely, man. Let's see. Like there's there's not a scrap of racism there. There's not a scrap of anything. It's just you having like a fucking sense sensibilities. Right? Yeah. And that's not racist. Yeah. No it's human man. Yeah. It's human. And like you said, my brain was doing what it was built to do synthesize conclusions from inputs.

44:52 And I was I was giving it the space to do that. I was saying, well, it doesn't matter if I'm in a bad neighborhood, it doesn't matter this or that. It matters that this person is acting sketchy toward me. Totally, man. You see someone going down the street like yelling to themselves. They have a scowl on their face.

45:10 They're like, you know, make it a making a gun with their hand and, like, pointing it at cars. And they're like, fuck it. Obviously crazy or momentarily have something going on. Right? And you cross the street to like, avoid that person because you're on foot. That's not fucking racist. No, because it doesn't matter. It could be, you know, it could be like a 13 year old white boy, you know, like, or white girl doing that shit.

45:35 And, or and I have no, no know, I got to contradict myself because an Asian boy or it doesn't matter if he's young enough child. I try to intervene here, but. Right. If it's a young kid. But if it's like a grizzled old adult. Yeah. No matter what that grizzled is like, if they're acting like, like that.

45:52 Yeah, yeah. It's time to like, you know, get some, get some separation of, say, if you want to avoid them and hopefully you've seen them far enough off due to their bombastic behavior and energy they're putting off, that you cross the street where they can even notice you. Right, right, right, right. That'd be ideal. So they don't have like some way to like mentally start paying attention to you specifically.

46:15 Exactly. Like blend in their thing. Yeah. Socially blend in. But but yeah what the cop that pulls over somebody simply because they're black. It's completely fucked up, you know. Right. No shit. Like now if they're how obvious, you know. And they may add on behaviors there that they say they saw like you were waving. You were doing that.

46:38 Now the body cam footage. Now take care of all that shit. Exactly. It's like couldn't happen fast enough. As far as I'm concerned. You put body cam and all these cops and shit. You know, civilians are having their own cams, and you have cams on all these, like, exchanges, and it starts. Everyone is going to start cleaning up those exchanges because everybody in chat.

46:56 Probably because, I mean, this is there's an example here of paranoia run amuck. Like I was saying, I feel like I have to prove my paranoia and think about it. Well, no, there's probably a healthy amount of that anyway, because the media like only focuses on the negative and it can induce paranoia. Like you're watching the evening news every night.

47:16 You can see the fucking world on fire where you are. And there's studies that have shown that if you if you are watching the evening news, you are your world is different than the person who doesn't. And that's why I don't engage with it, because it's fucking racist to it talks all the time about showcases all the time.

47:33 You know, people with more melanin in their skin doing bad things all the time. All the time. Right. And then it shows, you know, even just I mean, it makes everything scary, right? It makes every aspect of your life scary. It shows people with more melanin. It shows people with it says scams are out there. You're going to get scammed in every facet of your life.

47:57 Not true. Yeah. And the media has done like a superb job at, sowing the seeds of racist thinking and behavior for a long, long time. So fuck them. They can keep their own game. And that's why I don't even watch the evening. I don't even watch it because ultimately, it doesn't matter where you're from now. Race baiting.

48:14 Yeah. It's, it's become this. It's not become the news. It's become a narrative. Right. And they're selling a worldview. That's right. And so now that, like the society has gotten like through the Black Lives Matter movement and is now hyper aware of all this, like, you know, idiosyncrasies of racism and all this kind of stuff. And you have, like, thousands and thousands of younger people, you know, millions of younger people especially like being ultra, ultra woke with their antenna feelers, like out making racism everywhere.

48:43 Right? Right. The news is like right there to clickbait the fuck out of them. Like, you know, black man, you know, questioned by police, you know, blah, blah, blah, some kind of clickbait headline race baiting, right? Whole race baiting. And then the person, you know, clicks on it, it's like, oh, this is terrible, you know, contributes ads to the comments.

49:00 Now watch this ad. Yeah, right. No, no, watch this ad like we've done that reinforce what was in the content. Now that we've reinforced it, take some time to process what, what we told you. Agree with it and we'll come back. There you go. There you go. And so now the person has this, like, their ideas reinforced, but also they have their their mind reinforced to always be thinking about race.

49:27 How much how much melanin someone has in their skin. That's something that's very important, right? But instead of the true scientific truth, which is irrelevant, it's irrelevant. It's just a trait. It's just a trait. It's just a descriptor. Exactly. Thank you. It's just a trait. You know? It's not like, you know, fucking attached earlobes where they have a widow's peak color, eye hair, you know, like how fast your fucking fingernails grow or whatever.

49:50 Seriously, it really is just a trait. Yeah. And it's like, it's just something that I am going to take note of whenever. Like, hey, have you met Josh? I don't know his last name, but this is what he looks like. Exactly. And you use all the descriptors that you know of this person. Yeah. What? How much melanin their skin and how what shade they are happens to be another one of the descriptions of them.

50:15 And, you know, that's I mean, you're racist if you say the person is real dark skinned. Yeah. So to be true, just like if you say they're very, you know, they're, super pale, super pale, that's what you'd say. They'd be like, I can, you know, I might say something a little crazy, like, hey, you know, this person so pale I can almost see the veins in their face right?

50:37 Right. Yeah, sure. You know, but again, talking about someone's someone's, you know, feature set in describing somebody who's in a racist activity. Well, you know, it's like, holy shit, dude, I can't I can't get over enough. And, you know, anyone that's fucking bigoted in 2022 needs to check themselves in the fucking times, needs to do some soul searching of their own.

51:03 Because it's a moot fucking point in my mind is. And that's how I believe I just have to believe that that's how we move past this shit, man. Well, we have to recognize it, and we have to deal with it on an individual and group level. So many times we're just dealing with it on a group dynamics level, and that's all the training does.

51:25 It's built in on a group dynamics level. It doesn't help you as a person deal with whatever latent feelings you have. So like how does how does the corporation really go about making the determination that someone is part of the of a marginalized group? I don't know, they can't. It's impossible. Yeah. It's impossible. The person put in their job application that the black I mean, you're gonna need a lot of social data to determine if someone's marginalized dude.

51:52 Exactly. Exactly that. And, like, you know, let me see your bank statements. Right. Yeah. If you're if you're rolling at, like, six mil in the bank, I don't know how marginalized you are. Right? Yeah. In fact, yeah. If you got six figures or more in the bank, yeah, you might not be marginalized. Oh, yeah. And then, you know, but the company, the company, we could we could do it.

52:14 Jeff Foxworthy, you might be a redneck if you might be marginalized, if you. Let's do it. You might be marginalized if you're worried about your car starting. Yeah, yeah, start it off. You might be marginalized if you feel unsafe walking to your driveway. You got walking in your driveway. Yeah. There you go. You may be marginalized if you smell gunsmoke and it doesn't disturb you, you might be marginalized if.

52:46 A a cycle of cop cars and fire department vehicles in your neighborhood. You might just as normal there. Yeah, you might be marginalized if you always check your balance before driving from the ATM. Yeah, yeah. And we're talking withdrawing 20 bucks. Oh, yeah. For supports for 250. Yeah. Because you're not at your bank's ATM because your bank is a credit union.

53:10 Right. That's on the other side of town. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's like you're not plugged into the large corporations because you can't afford to be, okay. So you might be marginalized if, this is maybe a good one, you might be marginalized if paid little to actually make sure it's making sense. Oh, like, as an option. Yeah.

53:31 Or. I mean, that's just fair, right? Or putting a lien out on your car or the what do they call it? Violence. Yeah. Right. Right. You might be marginalized. Yeah. You might be marginalized if you, seriously consider on a regular basis turning point. Oh oh, that was a horrible experience. Here you go. You might be marginalized if you.

53:53 None of your friends can help you get a job. There we go. There we go. Like, if your social network isn't able to help you get a leg up, you might be marginalized. If you live near me, right? You might be marginalized if you live near me as well. Oh, wait, you may be marginalized if you're a jackass doing a podcast.

54:16 Yeah, 6 a.m.. Yeah, exactly. That's awesome. You might be, because we're looking for the way out. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is the way. This is the path through. This is the way through. Hey, it might not be, but we got to try something. At least it's helping us collect some thoughts. Yeah. Through, you might be marginalized if the bus is how you get around the room.

54:39 Well, yeah. If public transportation is your your one and only way of getting around. Yeah. You know, that might be marginalized. How about that one? Especially if you live in an area where there isn't good public transportation and that's your only transportation. Yeah. If your underwear has your older brother's name on it because it was a fucking hand-me-down, you might be marginalized.

55:00 Oh, shit. Just go so easy. I'm stuff first of all experience, right? Right. I mean, you know, for me is if you're if a sweatshirt that you're required to wear by your mother is covered in puffy paint and was a hand-me-down and was the me. Yeah. Okay. I'm fucking if you know what hand-me-downs are. Yeah, exactly. Period. Let's see if, here's here's one for you.

55:31 If you don't have a relationship with your primary parent and you don't know that you're your secondary parent like your other, you might be marginalized. Okay, another personal experience one, if your favorite shirt is pockmarked with holes and more than ten years old, you're you're. Yeah. That happened when I was, I don't know, nine if you're if you're not shocked and, and taken aback by a needle on the street, you know, then then you might be Mark.

55:59 Yeah. All right. Basically, if we just do this all day, if the trappings of your life. Are worrisome and stress reducing in their individual form, much less the aggregate. You know. Yeah. If you don't know if you don't, if you don't know if you don't have, but if you don't know what a 401 K is, you might be marginalized.

56:23 There we go. And that's a thing. I mean I, I don't know where we go. I just don't understand why they didn't teach us in school. I don't know if you had financial literacy classes. We did not. But I've just had them throughout the course of being kicked so many times in my life that it's time to, like, learn some shit, right?

56:44 It's like you've got a self taught. You've got to, worry about things on your own. You've got to invest your own. You've got to make your own safety net. First time the bank took a $35, overdraft fee from me, I made sure that shit never happen again. Oh, man. So, I was about to get on check systems because I had a couple of overdraft fees.

57:04 I got them to take one away, so I got them to take one away. Then I went to another friend I have to deal with overdraft fees that very much like. Right. If you have a credit, we deal with them. So I went to another branch of that bank, took all my money out and moved it to another bank before they could put me on check systems.

57:24 There you go. And then, because I couldn't afford to pay the overdraft fees that they were going to charge me. Oh, my gosh, I made a deal with them. Hey, you got to charge me at the end of the week or, you know, I beat that game so long ago. This stuff's been fucking money, right? Sounds stupid. But if that was my like.

57:44 Like, like sickening, you know, having to pay so much for, like, a fee, which is just money lending at thousands of percent interest. And so, like, you overdrawing your account by a dollar, right? And you charge 75. Right. So for them loaning you a dollar to complete the transaction. Yeah. Right. They're going to get 35%. They're going get 36 out of you.

58:03 Yeah. Right. So so right there is like beyond loan sharking. You know what. Hey. And you could be a fee. It could be as much as a few cents. I have over drafted by a few cents and then charge 35 bucks. Three, I would just go without a bank account if I'm just having, I did for a while and then I got robbed a few times.

58:22 So, you know, you can tell me about that I never I oh, I, I've never been robbed, but I've always been fucking smart about how I, you know, not that you weren't smart. Well no, it wasn't that it was where I live. And then I was carrying around money, like, you know, Desiree had a gun put to her head whenever we were held up one time.

58:43 Jesus Christ, dude, that's why I was talking about some of these neighborhoods. You know, people are coming out of these some of these neighborhoods, greater level of PTSD than our soldiers from the front line. It's so insane. Yeah, man. And, you know, the fact that that that exists on the richest country in the world, it's just fucking abominations and a huge stain on our our culture and our government, you know, and our society at large.

59:03 It really is. Yeah. One time I was robbed at Pipe Point by a guy. I was waiting outside for 80 points. Yeah, I was waiting out from the outside to, you know, pick me up at my apartment to go work at Sam's Club on third shift. And this guy had a pair of gencos on with the really deep pockets.

59:21 And, you know, he's talking to me about the weather and the weather, and it's it's this Asian guy, right? You know, and, you know, I don't think anything of it. He's got a shaved head. He looks kind of like he's in the same socio economic status as I am. He fucking pulls a pipe out of these long as pants.

59:38 Like a weed pipe. Yeah, I do, what the fuck? And was basically threatening to bash my skull in if I didn't give him money. So I gave money. Wow. Really? Oh, just for the fucking guy. What do you do? You seem to. Yeah, yeah, I would just. I mean, grab the pipe like me and jump on him. I mean, you probably have fucking shit, right?

59:58 Yeah, you probably have a lot more, you know, fighting skills than I do. I have won almost every fight I've been in except for the, If it's a knife or a gun, I'm not even going. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to charge. You can't run a run for the knife. But it was a pipe, and, you know, it was like.

1:00:17 It's like I could give him some money and walk away and then go to work and make some more. Pretty good logic. Yeah. You know, and so I gave him like 35 bucks. I just handed them some money out of my, out of my wallet and then walked away and still looking at him, like I'm walking to my apartment.

1:00:37 Wow. Because I was like, this is like, legit, you know, traumatic experience. And that another time I was standing outside of my apartment, talking on the phone to this girl. And this young guy comes this way. And the way he's looking at me, like, oh, fuck. And like, he straight up pulls a gun on me, robs me for five bucks, took my wallet, wouldn't give me my wallet because I asked.

1:01:06 And then I go back inside when I get I. Well, I screamed like a little girl when he pulled the gun, I was like, oh shit. And you know, he armed robbery for five bucks, you know, five bucks. So I go back inside and I tell everybody, my buddy Gump, from the description I gave of the guy, knows who it is.

1:01:24 No way. Yes. And so he goes over to their apartment because it's in the same apartment complex. They're shitting where they were. They eat and fucking. He gets my wallet back. No way. They had, you know, of course you're not going to get that five bucks back. But he gets by. Was actually and supposedly because and I can at least corroborate he did something because the police showed up at their place later that night.

1:01:51 But, he grabbed a cordless phone. He said there was a girl in the bathroom freaking out saying she was going to call the police. So he grabbed another cordless phone that was sitting there, dial 911, and threw her into the sink. And so I was watching slick, slick maneuvers, right? And I was like, well, holy shit. And police later did show up, so how weird.

1:02:11 Yeah, I don't know. But, you know, you're marginalized if you know. Right? These kids were 16. Jesus Christ in their own apartment. Like, you know, you live in a shady apartment complex. When they were right, the 16 year old boy fucking. You know, it's, it's funny because, like, if there'd be a strong case, like, let's say that that, you know, somehow, you know, I make it make that first million, you know, like something happens in, like, the next few years and I make that first million bucks, let's just say, for argument's sake, and people try to say to me that that was due to some kind of fucking privilege.

1:02:48 Could you imagine? I mean, you know my life. You know my life. Yes, exactly. Fucking privilege. The amount of struggle and effort and, you know, pulling yourself up and finding opportunities and really, I mean, no privilege exists between betwixt us. I can't I'm still to find someone that works harder than me. Yeah. I can't find him. I would agree with you.

1:03:11 You know. You know me. Yeah. And fuck off. If someone says something at some point in future that this is because a privilege is how I mean, you know, if it was me. Oh, and by the way, I will never have the million. But what we've talked about, because it goes right into supporting the community. Exactly, instantaneously, exactly as soon as I have it.

1:03:30 And and here's the thing. So. Fucking right. Yeah, exactly. Anybody that would even dare to say that. Because if it was from privilege, you would have had it when you were 20. If it was from privilege, you would've had it by you were 30. I mean, exactly, man. Like, you know, all of the things that we talked about most of all and our joke about, marginalization, which was, was, you know, they were poverty, mostly related to poverty.

1:03:52 Yeah. And there were a lot of them were rooted in things we both experienced directly. So it's like, you know, I didn't grow up as poor as you can be. No, I didn't either. But yeah, I wear underwear with my brother's name on it, so I did I did do luckily we had a decent enough, laundry system, so there was no shit thing going on.

1:04:10 But you know, know with the, with the, with the permanent marker, you know? Yeah. That ain't faded. It was still there. Yeah. It's not going away somewhere. When I was bullied in high school and got the wedgie and had my brother's name in my underwear, I had to take extra shit for that. Oh. That's terrible. Right. You get that, you get, like, pinned down by the soccer team and they, they wedgie you, you know, like, just part of this, like, stupid, you know, like, whatever 50 year initiation thing that that particular school happened to do.

1:04:36 Yeah. And that is all dogpile. You can give you a wedgie. Big deal. Right? No big deal. No big deal. You know, laugh in two seconds later. But then they see your brother's name on the underwear, right? They're like, yeah, he's wearing his brother's underpants. You're like you know. Yeah. They're you know, you're marginalized if you get a wedgie for being, hey, there's this one kid who was getting.

1:04:54 At least I got the police. He kind of looked like Popeye. All right, you can have them, like, folded in face, and he, he would all the time get harassed. And people, they actually ripped his sphincter. Oh, with the wetness going too far. Right. You see a simple wedgie? Come on. Nobody's. Yeah. You don't need to pull this shit over somebody's head.

1:05:14 Right. It's a victimless crime, right? Yeah. And, like, two seconds later, your fist bump in the guy's it. Just what did you do? And you're laughing like that's not even really hazing. It's like fun, is it? Boys playing around. And that's when you go to the hospital. It was a rip. Yeah. Some asshole. That's maybe not right. Yeah, this this kid was,

1:05:34 He was a piece of work. Another time, he was making invisible ink in science class, and, he did something wrong. It blew up, and I didn't even know you had, I guess you have caps on your fingers like joints because they were down here. Weird. And he had to, have to go to the hospital, like, right then.

1:06:01 Weird. And I guess they fix whatever's going on. Holy shit. That's crazy. And but, there was an explosion, and he had to go to the hospital, is what I know. And it was something with his hands. How crazy. Yeah, I've seen weird injuries. I've never heard of anything like that. I had, like, the skin peeled back and stuff I've never heard of, like, knuckle caps.

1:06:20 I didn't know you had them. And I'm not. I'm still not sure you have them. You might have, but I was in seventh grade. Had been born. Yeah. Maybe something. Maybe something was down there, but yeah, you know, I was in seventh grade. Yeah. Fucked his hands up. And I'm not sure what exactly happened, but he had to go to the hospital right then and there, and they had to fix something with his hands.

1:06:42 And he was out for, like, four days. Wow. This kid just had it rough. He was fucking. But, I mean, when you're a ginger and you look like Popeye, you don't start from a good space. Like, you probably have a whole podcast one day about Ginger. But on that note.