0:00 Well, you know you have a good job if you don't know what day it is.

0:05 Well, is that a telltale sign that you have a good job? You know, you don't know what day it is. They all just kind of blend together. Well, that. But I mean, like, you're you're not like so timeline accountable that like, you know, you don't have to know that. You don't even have to know the precise date, right?

0:22 Yeah. I really don't have deadlines.

0:27 Okay, so you have a dream job, I guess. So maybe you can go on about taking on a second one like we talked about that day. Yeah, like an employee.com. Yeah. You're primed for a second one now, right? Yeah.

0:44 I mean, the amount of time I actually, you know, I'm doing, like concerted, concentrated work. Yeah. Is relatively low. Gotcha. It's like most of the time I'm just trying to seek out pieces of information or, you know, test something with curl or postman or. Yeah, yeah. Try to figure out how to set up a service. Cool. Well, set up a firewall rule.

1:17 Nothing like stupid hard. Yeah. That's great. Well, I was thinking about. I mean, just the fact that you know how to use those tools is a skill, for sure. So, you know, just that alone is valuable. A lot of people, you know, I don't know what percentage of our listeners inevitably will be like, you know, understand what you just said, but that's okay.

1:36 That's true. You know, I don't know. Who knows? Our demographic might end up being, like, really hardcore IP nerds. That'd be cool. That would be awesome. Especially if we can get them folded into the conversation at some point. Yeah, yeah, there's something I would like to do is like, open this whole thing up to to questions, you know, from Janet from Ohio or whoever and, you know, get that role.

1:57 And that'd be pretty cool because I know that, like, that's one thing. Listening back over our podcast, you know, new ideas come to mind and I'd love to interact. This wasn't me making it. I'd be like, I would love to interact with the content to some extent. Right, right. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's something I enjoy. Definitely.

2:19 Like, I, I would have fun with a, with interacting with it. Yeah. If you weren't part of it. But you heard it right. The podcast. And you know, there's plenty of things that we've said that you'd probably want to make mention, you know, you know, add your too sensitive, you know, and that'd be cool. Must be just somehow right, right across a fucking army of trolls, you know which.

2:42 Or it might be fun in its own right. Yeah. I think we have to prepare for that. Yeah. That's true. We can kind of counter troll. Yeah. Something I never really haven't done much of. I haven't really trolled much on the internet. I'm like, not been that guy. Not my thing. Like making the 3 or 4, you know, like bogus accounts just for trolling.

3:00 I haven't really done that. No, that's not my deal. I'm just not a just too lazy to do it. Yeah. I'm one. There's like two. You know, I've never enjoyed trolling for its own sake. Just not now. I will come back at somebody if they come at me. That's fun. You have never fished. I've never, like, really done a lot of white, gray or black hat hacking.

3:26 Yeah. I mean, I've done there's a couple people that have asked me that know about my computer skills, and I've asked me to do stuff. And I was like, yeah, I don't know. So, so sure about that? Yeah. Not not probably savvy enough to not get caught. You. Right. I've not done any stuff that wasn't sanctioned or in a lab.

3:44 Yeah. Fair enough. That's probably true with a lot of people. They they could, but they don't. Because just, you know, it's too much risk. It's wrong. A lot of it's wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in general, you know, it's, it's, fun, but, I would not I wouldn't I don't think I could handle the idea of actually hurting one of these nameless, faceless corporations that have been granted more rights than an individual.

4:14 Okay. Good joke.

4:17 Interestingly, though, I would definitely, if I had time, money, inclination and opportunity, I would definitely like, take some hardcore training around learning how to hack. Oh yeah. Like on a on a professional level, I think I'd be pretty damaged in that. Oh, yeah. There's, one, certification that's kind of entry level, but a lot of people are getting a.

4:43 The OCP. It's changed fairly recently to be a little harder. But also in some ways more approachable because there's.

4:56 Big thing used to be a buffer overflow exploit. And now you might not actually get it in your in your pack. Okay. To do. Okay. But it's the offensive security certified practitioner and that sounds sophisticated. Yeah. It's a 24 our test. And then you get 24 hours to read the report. Okay. Cool. Cool. All right. And I failed at once.

5:25 24 hour test. That's pretty great. Yeah. It's, Did you you failed it once. Did you pass it on to Japan? I have not taken it again. You haven't taken again? Okay, well, you have the experience with it, so study up. You might right have better results next time. Oh, yeah. Definitely. And, you know, I've been doing CTF and things like that to kind of bolster my experience to capture the flag.

5:49 Man. Saw that. Gotcha. But, I and I've been taking some training on am. But I'm not ready. So cool. Nice progress. You know, stepping stone in the direction. Oh, yeah. The thousand mile journey starts with the first step, Sean. Oh, yeah. And it's. It's fun. I mean, the offensive security. They're the guys who made Kali Linux.

6:17 If you mess with it. Yeah. No, that's what I'm familiar with it. Okay, so, I had on the way over here, I was thinking about, like, you know, we were walking in the morning. The traffic is relatively low, especially when we're smart and not walk through, like, you know, like, every so often I take us on some stupid road.

6:38 For some reason, it's loaded with cars in general. We don't have a lot of in general, you know, a lot of cars going by like overall averaging it. Know. Yeah. But I was thinking like, God forbid someone's like texting one one morning and just goes off the road and then, you know, do do do do we turn this into like a fucking disability podcast?

6:58 Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. It's like two jackasses in wheelchairs now. I mean, it's a good alternate name. Positively, rolling. Positively rolling comes the new. Yeah, like the whole content converts to, like, all this stuff about wheelchair accessibility and, you know, and we can make jokes like, you know, we roll and. Yeah, they hate. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

7:31 We have cost me bags now we're rolling dirty.

7:40 But it's so you know, it's like the precarious fragility of life. You know how fucking vulnerable we all really are. I mean, it wouldn't take much to, you know, change our lives forever and make us disabled, right? It's like, still, we're in the boundaries of, like, to my mind, like, at least I think we're still in the risk reward kind of zone where it's like, we're cool.

8:02 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not too worried about this prospect getting up, and, I mean, all right, we're not walking through neighborhoods where people are chronically fucked up. And currently we're on a greenway with a lot of space between us and the road. Yeah, yeah. And and less traffic. We got to stick to more of this format, right?

8:27 Yep. Like, just for our audio quality. True. Yeah. Obviously can't do shit about the voice, but, hey. Yeah, I mean, well, actually, that's not true. I take that back, as you said that, like, if I was really worried about it, I could always, you know, invest in some voice coaching, okay? You know, and then I'm thinking. Never really thought about that.

8:44 Yeah, it sounded like a goddamn. What? You know, this jockey or some kind of newsreader, you know? Is that what I want? It was this guy. Ladies and gentlemen, in this episode of. You know, you know that's not me, man. That's not me. Same here. But there was this guy. You ago. God, it would have had him in.

9:07 20 years ago at this point. He worked at the. There's a, Jack in the box in Pineville. Okay. He worked there at night. Yeah. Name was Rev. He would he said Reb Reb Reb. All right. And short for some probably. And his real name was rebel. He would go, he would answer. He would. He was on the.

9:32 They put him on the speaker, you know, the and for taking orders he'd be like, welcome to Jack in the box. This is real. Yeah. And he was like, he had this old school announced a radio announcer feel I might drive away it. Like, what does this have to do with fucking horrible, greasy food? It was fucking awesome.

9:56 And we got to know the joke. We got to know the guy. And I mean, you know, he was telling us he used to be a radio announcer and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Wow. You know, it was it was pretty cool. Yeah. So I was a, I was a DJ for fun at the private school. I had an hour set.

10:13 Oh, yeah. That's when I went there as an am a m. Tower that was like, had, like a had, like a 2 or 3 mile radius. So, like, everybody on campus to listen in. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Was playing, like, the cool tracks of the day. Yeah. You know, used to be like, oh, oh, 15 minutes past the hour.

10:33 Welcome to welcome to the, you know, blah, blah blah. Yeah. Keep the kind of conversation going. You keep the you learn to do it. You keep it flowing. Right. A cool little mixing board so you can like, kind of, you know, cross state a track and do that kind of fun stuff. So as you're talking, you know, you start the next day of the music and yeah, it's kind of easy and kind of fun.

10:51 Yeah. I was just playing music. I mean, who can't do that? I was a DJ for a little bit for the company that we hired to marry Desiree nine. Oh, cool. All right. And I was not very. I wasn't as smooth as some people would be, but, they hired me to do it a few different times. That's pretty cool, man.

11:15 It was kind of fun. Once I got $100 tip from the groom and $100 tip from. If you're making money, you're technically a professional, right? I don't know, Chip. From the grim hundred dollars chip from the, bride and the place that I was working for. One of the chips. I was like, fuck you. Hell, yeah. Fuck you.

11:36 I was like, did you do the work? Did you hire me to do the work? Yeah. Okay, then the tips I get. Yeah, that that boils my blood when some, like, restaurant owner takes the tips or some shit like that. But I hate that kind of crap. You great service from some, you know, server, as they call them these days.

11:55 You know, I like waiter or waitress because it's shortcut. Let you know a little bit of description about the person, right. But anyway, like, you know, you had a really good server and, you know, you're feeling good. You know, you have some good cash in your pocket that day or whatever, and you're feeling generous. You're like, boom.

12:11 $40 tip on a, you know, $50 bill. Yeah, sure. You know, and then the owner is like, all right. You know. Fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. It's. And they, you know. Thanks to the internet, we've all heard. Oh, that says you to release hug a tree.

12:32 Yeah. Relief like LEAFERLEAFI. How clever. Make like a tree and leave. Or make a tree. And relief.

12:48 Oh, the workplace so clever. Oh, I now feel motivated to do something about trees and the environment. Even though in our temperate zone it means nothing like playing it. Tree is carbon zero. Do you know that? What? Temperate climate zone. Yeah. In this particular, in this particular like climate. Planting a tree is carbon zero. Like does nothing at all whatsoever.

13:12 In fact, it's better. In fact, what pavement is better? Yeah. Like like like pavement actually lowers the temperature of the air of the city area. Really? Yeah, yeah. The city will have a lower temperature than the deep forest in this area. Wow. Yeah, right. Interesting. Yeah, it's kind of like. So it's. I guess it's because of biomass is going to retain more heat than pavement in this area.

13:39 Yeah, exactly. Like biomass doesn't doesn't lead to, like, a carbon. The carbon sink that it's like sold as. Right. Like so planting a tree in this area is just like a, like a symbolic act, if you will. Like, it's, Well, I mean, it probably does, you know, kind of filter the air of a little, you'd think, but it doesn't.

14:04 Yeah. Trees are like in the rainforest and shit where the soil can really, like, pull it down, like, really shit tons of carbon and whatnot. And, you know, truly sequester it down the soil. But, like, here, the trees life cycle, it just gives up, you know? It just gives up when it dies, it gives back all of its carbon dioxide.

14:24 Yeah, but if if you have old growth trees, you know, you've got an investment of the carbon sequestration there. Right. Yeah. Well, trees at night, they they breathe oxygen and release carbon dioxide. Right? Yeah, yeah. So, like, you can just you can, you can get the mass at any particular, you know, you can get the math on any particular like climate region on how much actual like carbon sequestration is in different, you know, trees and whatnot.

14:57 So in some places it just doesn't do anything. So there must be a tree that is more optimal for this climate region. Probably so. Probably so. And you know, let's not let's not, you know, forget the collateral things about trees, the unification. Right. You know, like shade that it provides. Yeah, yeah. Shade for human shade for an animal, a home for an animal.

15:20 Right. So, I mean, those things. I'm just talking about the pure carbon, right? Okay. Yeah, that's kind of interesting. Yeah, it is. It totally is. But it's net zero kind of comes out in the water. Yeah. So, like, you get this, like, oh. Company, corporation. Let's say that says, oh, we're gonna plant five trees in X, y, Z Park.

15:41 Right. And they all go out to Home Depot and get shovels and bags of fertilizer. So drive a fucking Hummer to the. So this massive SUV, the branded Hummer from the company. Yeah. All right, all right, well, they drive like this big SUV out to the park, you know, into the store. And you and you and you add up the carbon footprint of all the shit.

16:07 The plastic bags of fertilizer, I mean, everything, right? You do the you do the carbon budget on what they're doing, right? And they just added more carbon than those trees will ever remove in this area. Yeah. I wonder really? Like I said, you took a thing. Average trip to Home Depot. How many trees they'd have to plant because I'm talking about, you know, they got the golden shovel for the photo opportunity and all this bullshit.

16:36 You know, but is it like, you know, they would have everything out at 27.5 trees or something weird shit like that, you know? Oh, and probably in this zone would probably have to be 100 something, you know, like more trees than they can physically plan today. Yeah, yeah. To see that this is a interesting looking a little building it is.

16:59 You know, or they'd have to like, you know, reforest someplace or something, you know. Right. To really make it be like. But this is like so typical of corporate, you know, it's like a they don't the road to profits is paved with good intentions. Yeah. It's all about I mean, I learned this term a little while ago. I'm sure you know it well as well.

17:21 Cause them. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, I get it just in the name, right? And, I mean, I think my favorite example, and it's getting old, tattered and tired now is Tom's the shoes. Okay, okay. The Bible one. Get one with the genie shoes. Yep yep yep I heard about that. So explain how that fits into the consumerism.

17:47 So consumerism costume is your business with a cause? Yeah. Okay. And using that drive sales. Right. That's our primary marketing thrust. Yeah, yeah. Or it could be a secondary or tertiary effort, like you said with a. Well, we plant trees every year in the community, right. And then, you know, you do the math. Those I'm talking about, you get it down to brass tacks, you get it down to the actual like, you know the truth.

18:16 You get to the truth and you just start rolling your eyes. Yeah. It's like, okay, so let's say, for example, that some company wants to be really environmentally friendly. We want to be carbon zero by 2040 or whatever. Right? Okay. So the easiest way is allocate some of the budget to buying carbon credits. Yeah. But you look at what their activities are.

18:40 And if you legitimately count like if you legitimately do the math, you know, actually account for the things that produce carbon, they're not even on the fucking radar as far as like, you know, they have all these people going to the office and, you know, driving the office. You got to count that shit. Yep. You got to count the fucking farts, you know?

19:00 Whatever. Right. I mean, you do. I got the methane farts from all your fucking employees. There we go. You know? You know, or, you know, whatever. On Taco Tuesday, you guys brought in a food truck. It increased net methane, but they don't count that, right? They just count the things that are, you know, whatever that they have the offsets for to make their claim.

19:20 And then, like, like you said, it goes back into consumerism. Yeah. Folds right back into this bullshit thing. It does because. So you just gotta roll your eyes at that shit, man. Now that's a huge dog in that yard. Listen, we're not right next to the yard. It's like a deer. And there you go. That's what I thought it was for a second.

19:45 This is a strange neighborhood. Like weird sounds, too, right? Yeah. It's not a you take a bit to get used to. It sounds like there's like. Like we're passing some bushes. I could swear somebody in there giving a handy.

20:02 So the costume or something is interesting to you from all these different aspects like, you know, just does it is that like kind of the ultimate evil when someone is just doing this, knowing full well that they don't even believe in it themselves? Right. It's like it's just another derivative of marketing. Or is that all this anyway? You know, is that all marketing anyway?

20:22 Yeah, I feel like.

20:25 If you're careful and you personally give a shit, you could run a marketing department that actually does something. Yeah. Remember Bank of America coming to me back in the day? Way back in the day before I joined the military, and I was running that, run that business. We were doing web applications, database stuff and 3D printing. Not not 3D printing.

20:48 I'm sorry. Large format printing. Oh, okay. And we were approached by Bank of America to make a gay pride banner. Oh, shit. Okay, this is like, a little bit when that was, you know, you get out of here that, you know. Yeah. No. Get the hell out of here. I'm not printing that. Right, right. And I totally would have, because fucking is money.

21:08 Well, we didn't really make that much on it, but, and we had a queue of, you know, we had a worksheet, so you had study queue. You didn't need to fill it didn't need to fill it at all. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, we'll print it. Why not? Yeah. And you know, that was back. You know, Bank of America was making the banner.

21:26 Right. Right. So, like, it's all tied in. So you guys are doing, like, one of those printers. It's like 72in by whatever the fuck you have on the roll. Yeah. As long as the role is right. Yeah. And sure enough, you know, there's a bunch of people marching with that banner. Yeah. And, Yeah. Cool. Whatever. But, secretly watermarked with your secretly watermark.

21:49 Yeah. Yeah. It didn't lead to really any any massive additional business or anything, but at the same time, you know, Bank of America is not up to anything good. Really? Correct. You know, I mean, what are they doing? Trying to get their name out there as soon as you say. Bank. Yeah. Right. You know, you start to consider the set of activities they might be involved in and you're like, I don't know.

22:14 Yeah. It was it was really like, I don't want to say obvious, but, you know, the bank doesn't have any kind of legitimate skin in the game when it comes to the LGBT community. Right. Back then or today. But but they're really going to try to champion it to, like you said, for sales. You know, I just don't trust it.

22:32 I don't trust the motive and I don't trust us. Sincerity as far as like I properly accounting for things, I enjoy the idea of diversity and inclusion. And, you know, I just can't see that the corporation, I see it as just more perpetuation of racism. But whatever, I can't. It's I think it's the right way. It could have an impact and do something.

22:57 And maybe it has in some places, but nowhere that I have worked have I seen it.

23:04 And I felt the measurable impact of it and people talking about it on the around the water cooler fondly or anything like that, where it's like, well, this really helps. But again, you know, maybe I'm outside of that whole fear. I, I have attended some of the meetings that we have like.

23:29 Friends of the disabled to be, you know, this or that and you know, what can I do. Okay. If you're if you're right now, like at this point in your life, is your age and your experience, if you're not fully looking past sex, age, race, you have sexual orientation. You some fucking wrong with you, right? Yeah. It's not up to the corporation to fix that shit.

23:52 It's up to you to fix it because. Right. You know there's something wrong with you if you're. No amount of computer based training is going to fix that. Exactly. You're reading my mind. That's exactly what I'm getting at. Exactly. And so you're the one that's fucked up, right? You need to change your social network. You need to change your exposure personally, you know, to fix that.

24:11 No. To the two biggest things. If you're exposed to more often and you change who you associate with more often than, yeah, you're you're attitude is going to change. So like let's say for example, in LinkedIn I get a I get a request for connection, right. Let's just plan a neon planetoid and someone's room. Yeah. Right. Cool. It's like the,

24:35 No. Reminds me a little bit of the, band icon for nice party. Oh, shit. A little bit.

24:44 So, like, you know, what I'm getting at here is, you know, I get a LinkedIn friend request, right? And, or a connection request, what do they call it? And it says on there, you know, Tyrone Jackson, it's got a black guy. You know, his face is on there and it says like, something in there, like, marketing specialist.

25:07 Okay. Boom. Reject. Because I don't want someone just to say, hey, you know, send me an automated marketing thing and badger me for a week to see if they can get a phone call or a meeting with me, right, to sell me some stupid shit. You see what I'm saying? You know, I've had more than one recruiter named Tyler, and they were both.

25:25 They were equally distributed amongst women and men. Yeah. So, you know, if that person's fucking white, green Chinese, I don't give a fuck if that's what I perceive, then are just some somebody's trying to market on LinkedIn. Reject give fuck. Conversely, if it's like, you know, anybody I don't care, you know, zig zag from planet planet Zoltar.

25:52 Right. And hit me up with a, you know, hey, I'm a philanthropist looking to expand my network because that's in my profile. Philanthropy. Right. And I noticed that you have philanthropy in your profile as well, if that's what I get. You see what I'm saying? Then I'm like, boom, approve. And it doesn't matter. Like the color of the person.

26:13 It matters. Like what the what the exchanges you're most likely to be the content of how do they come at you? What are they asking for? Exactly, exactly. And so like, not that I've transcended race and I was kind of stuff, but the way I think about it fucking has. I don't even think of race, like how much melanin someone has in their skin is not fucking important to me at all.

26:34 Right? At all. Right. But if someone opens their mouth and they start sounding like a complete jackass and they don't do anything for other people and they're a piece of shit, I don't care what they are. Yeah, I'm going to reject them out of hand. And if they have a lot of melanin, I'm not going to say, oh, look at that.

26:49 You know, they don't come into my mind. Hey, we might want to be careful with that one. Yeah. It just doesn't come into my mind. I'm just saying we might want to be careful of that work now. Fuck that bullshit. Bullshit. No, no, no, I'm not playing that game. I'm saying it. I'm saying it in the context of how I don't think of that.

27:06 Not right. Come on. No way. I'm not playing that game because. Because, you know, I'm not going to call them colored. I'm not going to call them Bipoc. No. You know, whatever the latest fucking corporate buzzword is, which is Bipoc, by the way. Yeah. You were explaining that to me. You know, that's the latest word. And, you know, the latest racist woke word, you know, that people are using, you know, and, yeah, just not playing that fucking game, man.

27:30 And so I don't go around on the street thinking that way. I don't go around in business world thinking that way. Yeah. I don't go along in my channel thinking that way. No. Ever. Because all right, if you do, you are limiting what I did was what, you know, approaches people and processes you're exposed to. You're hurting yourself.

27:57 And that's just a selfish angle, right? Not even to mention, like, what you're what you're reinforcing, you know, reinforcing a false paradigm in your own head. Yeah. And for your children, you're modeling incorrectly for behavior, right? Etc.. And so like it's 20, 22 people, let's get the fuck past it. And when the, when the corporation says, oh, we have to have the adversity.

28:20 And I know there's tax incentives and there's all this bullshit behind the scenes. I get all that right. But sure, when, when, when, when the company is like, you know, you look at the social network of the hiring manager online and there's not a single person of color, and then they're the ones doing the fucking diversity, I fuck you.

28:36 You don't know what you're talking about, right? It's like, shut the fuck up. Seriously, there was this guy. Seriously? It was a recruiter at a a payment processor around Charlotte. And then was David. He was, And I did the social media check, you know. And I was pleasantly surprised at the depth and breadth of this guy's network.

29:00 Yeah. That's the way it should be man. If you're going to be like modern right. Yeah. But it's like I can't even describe it like because, because in my mind I only see the color of a skin as just a quantity of melanin. Just like I would see if they had a peak or if they have blond hair.

29:18 What kind of population of people? 10,000 years to change the bone and content of their skin. So if you and your family and 100 other families moved to, you know, down near the equator, you would be darker and around 10,000 years. Yeah. But it it's just another feature of humanity. And that's what I'm saying. That's it. It just depends on where is your where does your family come from?

29:48 So I just look at it from the scientific aspect. Right. And then then the whole entire race issue is a nonstarter. It's just a human beings. And that's it as far as it goes. Yeah, right. All these little genetic traits that have all there, you know, finally have this like, history of where it comes from. It's all irrelevant, right?

30:07 Yeah. It's like we're genetically compatible. Yeah. If we're not different species, if I need blood, all I care is that the person had the right blood type. Not not how much melanin they had there. We aren't different races. We. There's no such. There's no such thing, man. It's just the abundance of genetic variation in our genome. Yeah. So the whole thing is just this fabricated social structure that we've put on top of this one trait that we decide to decided to make it layers and layers of social structure, including the diversity training at the at your gas company.

30:43 You see, I mean, you could argue the diversity training work similar to how.

30:54 And in the colonial days when, say, Britain or, you know, whoever, Spain invaded an island and took over the culture, often what they tried to do was segment the society based on how much melanin someone had. Right? Artificially. All nonsense all. And you know, you know, diversity training in some ways highlights that division and possibly creates even more fissures depending on how you're doing it.

31:24 Yeah. And the jackasses at the time thought that if they, you know, for their syphilis, for their puff penis, if they fucked a virgin, it would make it go away. I mean, you know, they thought all kinds of stupid shit back then, too. So, so so why, you know, why bring that forward is any kind of relevancy into 2022?

31:41 Come on. There's a scientific understanding of what makes someone's skin darker than the next person, man. So there's nothing more than the genetic traits for how much melanin you have telling me these guys were out here just spreading syphilis divergence. Exactly. Because, like, you know, the whole witch trials and all this nonsense. And we have we have our modern day equivalents, but, you know, my God, you know, the this it's just so, so shortsighted and so uneducated.

32:07 You know, it's drives me crazy. You know, like the corporations, they use these buzzwords like vertical markets, you know. Yeah. Or our product has a good fiduciary standing in the vertical market. This was similar products and this domain, you know, all over the place. The Gartner Magic Quadrant has us. You know what they have the vertical market on really is fucking hypocrisy.

32:27 That's what they have the vertical market on. You know like you know, Bank of America being involved with a whole bunch of companies that do payday loans, you know, fuck you and you know, fuck you. You're not doing anything for anybody. You're just trying to extract. It's not just like of America. It's lots of corporations have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

32:47 Exactly. And, you know, then they do a me a couple of tours, and it's all about pay a fractional fine to the whatever government agency. Yeah. You know that that finds them. So like they've already walked away with billions, but then they're paying a fraction of that in unquote fines and that's okay. Nobody nobody is held responsible. You guys have made billions.

33:07 We're going to find you 1 billion. Yeah. So that's what I mean. It's like this, this company behind the scenes doing this fucking thing that's ravaging the poor community, extracting incredible interest rates like way beyond, you know, any kind of reasonable use level. Yeah. But then let us print a banner for, for, for a, for for a minority cause because we care about the community.

33:31 Right. Oh come on, you see what I'm saying? And, you know, there's your there's your cause. Cause. Right. Cause ism right there. And it's finest. You know, it really isn't. There may be individuals that care about that or engage with that community and are, you know, at least redirecting some of insert a large globes playing megalithic corporation name here their resources to actually helping something.

34:01 I don't know, but I'm helping their selves to the corporate welfare. That's what they're doing. I would say the government's requiring a certain amount of checking the block, requiring a certain amount of diversity training that ends up having a net effect of nothing, or making the people that are already entrenched on the side either confirm what they have always believed or further reject privately.

34:21 Right. Like like if you have somebody who's, you know, hardcore racist person, let's say, right, and has learned to just mask it, okay. And you send them to diversity training, it's going to just make them double down. They're going to kind of use in a way what I'm saying as like, yeah c c c. Right, right. They're just forcing me.

34:43 They're trying to force my mind to think a certain way when I have the freedom to think whatever the fuck I want, but I think there is value in understanding what they want you to achieve and where they're headed. And, you know, going ahead and adding some of that to your ability to to act in a, in the corporate sphere, you know, so what's wrong in the corporate sphere of telling the HR or whoever's doing it, the third party company they bring in to do it, telling them that they're racist for doing this.

35:15 Right. What's wrong with that? Because I think they wouldn't agree with you for one. Well that's fine, they don't have to agree. But let's look at the evidence. Okay. Let's look at the evidence. Not, you know, going to have the debate. Right. You can say, okay, I'm sitting in this room and you're presenting this scenario to me, trying to allow me to see my unconscious bias.

35:34 Right? Okay. And here's the scenario. You're working as a store clerk and a white guy and a black guy coming to your store, right? And the black guy is like, looking around. He's like looking at the looking up in the air. Right? Okay. Am I white or black? Oh, you're yourself, you're white. Right. Okay. And so they're equal distance apart.

35:53 And part of your job description is you have to go and interact with customers like, you know, can I help you? Is there anything I can help you with today? You know, be polite. Yeah. And, you know, who do you go to first? Whoever's closest to me. Probably the guy who looks looks like he's, you know, like looking around, shifted his eyes and shit.

36:11 I don't because you're, like, suspicious. Maybe. Maybe. But it really depends. Seriously, when I worked retail, there were multiple customers. Whoever is closest to me or other people distance apart, I just said, okay, well, whoever it looks like I can help the fastest because I'm okay. That was my. So. So what I've done is I've committed you automatically up front, okay?

36:36 Like I've committed your mind to make race the issue here. You see what I'm saying? That's the first thing I did. I committed your mind to that. You have. I made that the primary detail. You see, I'm trying to say I did make it the primary detail. Okay. Next, if you go to the white guy, that's cool, man, it's pretty straightforward.

36:54 One, two, three, four. You know, you you go up to the white guy and now I'm going to tell you how your raises. You go to the black guy and you're like, oh because he was like looking around. You know you're suspicious of him, right? So now you're fucking racist in both choices. So, so what they've done is they just set up a racist scenario, and what they've just done is racist.

37:16 That's racist. To do that to somebody, you're holding their pigeonholing. You. Exactly. And I mean, and then trying to say it's your unconscious bias. It's their fucking scenario that's racist, Sean. That's what I'm saying, right? Not you. It's the boundaries they put around it. And it is exactly. If they were to game it out and they had people in front of me, or they recorded my interaction as a retail worker, most of that probably wouldn't fit in.

37:45 So so you, you know, you look bigger, you look at the broader picture, you see the meta of this thing, right? And you see how nonsense it is. Right? And you call that out, what's going to get in your corporate? What's going to get in your record to exist in the corporate world where this these things are being bandied about.

38:01 You take the training, you gather the essence of the training. You see the behaviors that they want you to have, and you double check you have that behavior and you roll on them on saying, is that like, if you don't recognize it as racist, then you have something to worry about. If you don't recognize that training as racist, then you need to start doing the soul searching and reflecting.

38:22 I mean, they are putting the spotlight on the negativity. They're not putting this. That's exactly what I'm saying. They're not putting the spotlight on positive interaction. Exactly. They're not putting the spotlight on.

38:37 Just treat people like people. That's all I'm talking about. And every institution that does the same thing all the way up and down government, all the way up and down. These big corporations are just perpetuating the fucking problem at best. You know, it really comes across like, all right, so if you're racist, hide it. That's exactly what it does.

38:57 You know, it's exactly what it does. It just someone and it doesn't really fix anything. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You read my mind. And so like if you're the if you're the genuine person, okay, that says this in and of itself is inappropriate. Okay. And and you're right about it. All that's going to do is harm you in that environment, in that racist fucking environment.

39:21 So so fuck the corporation that does that kind of bullshit. So ultimately, since, you know, the ineffective and harm you don't come back it that way, you know, just ignore it. Either ignore it or, you know, maybe talk with someone directly one on one about it if you have strong convictions. But, yeah, protesting during the diversity and inclusion training.

39:47 Not going to help you or them. Yeah. Like can can we just look at our lives and be like, you know, just ask ourselves, like, if you can't have this conversation with yourself, you'll never have one. Right? Right. So like if you know, you just ask yourself internally, like search your feelings, you know, like say, hey, you know, if there's someone with darker skin, how do I really feel?

40:10 And if and if you feel threatened and intimidated, wonder why is that right? Right. Question your internal monologue about right. That's what everyone should do about everything in their life, right? Introspection. And that's where you break the thing. You know the time to think and you know, okay, if the if the interaction that looms largest in your mind when you think back on the last time I was scared or intimidated is in a certain neighborhood or in a certain at a certain time, you know, you need to unpack that to like, okay, why am I on edge because of this environment, right?

40:47 Sure. But then you have this like, other like, ridiculous danger factor that you're doing to yourself, like an unconscious bias that could be dangerous for you, right? Yeah. And, like, so someone you're in a certain neighborhood that that looks a little scary as it is. Like, then maybe you should exit it. It's what I'm trying to say.

41:02 Yeah. Yeah. So. So let's say somebody, you know, you're driving your a stoplight and someone's like, kind of approaching your car with a big hoodie on their hands in their pockets. You know, you don't know what the hell why they have their hands in the pockets. It's like a warm day, let's say. And, they're like, have a fucking scowl on their face.

41:15 And they're looking right at you, right? Yep. If you're like, oh, you know, oh, it can't be. I can't be a little nervous in this situation. You know, this if you think that like, oh, that looks kind of come up to you and they carjack you. Yeah. Right. Then you just fucked yourself. And here's the thing. So crazy to not I be wearing something like that.

41:36 Healthy paranoia. I try to check, check on my daily level of paranoia. And sometimes it gets a lot of hands. I have to fix it. But if that guy was fucking black, white, Chinese, like I said, you'd have the you should have the same reaction. I can describe an exact situation where I did prevent this from getting in the back seat of a car that summer, and I rented just over a year ago.

42:03 Could have saved your life. Yes. So. And that's like natural and normal. What happened? Because you're some kind of racist? I was sitting I was sitting at a gas station in the sketch neighborhood. This dude, he's got a earpiece on, and I'm like, just immediately looking at him. I'm like, he's not actually talking to anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:23 And you know, the way he's looking at us, he's trying to look at us, but act like he's not looking at us. Yes. You're just picking up on all these subtle cues, and your brain is putting it together, like, naturally, it's supposed to for for, you know, danger to sense danger and intuitions there for a reason. And, you know, I'm not saying anything this summer, but I have my hand on the lock to lock all the doors, and he starts walking toward us.

42:46 The way he walks, he's walking in an angle to the car so I can tell he's actually be lining for us, but trying to act like he's doing an offset angle, right? And you're on top of it. Your intuition has gone off. Your spider senses are taking. Oh yeah, and something's not quite. I lock the door moments before he gets to the car, and he actually tries to open the back door.

43:07 Jesus Christ. And so, like you, he's like he says out loud, oh. Oh, sorry. I thought you were my friend. Like, no, you fucking did. Yeah, exactly. So, so, like you could if you wanted to, like you. And some are going to be sitting there and gone through like this big mind fuck of your own of saying like, look how racist I am, right?

43:28 Right. And like, all of a sudden have all this quote unquote white guilt and all bullshit, really, all I did was tell her I was like, see, sometimes paranoia is helpful. Yes, dude, it's a natural instinct. It's there as a survival mechanism for a reason. Right. If you don't think that some people in this world have bad intentions, you're a fucking idiot.

43:46 I don't care what you want to call race and blah blah blah. You're an idiot if you can't, you know, separate bad intention and instinctual into reaction to it. Yeah. You know, from if you can't separate that from some kind of like, social paradigm, you know. My god. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're separate things someone intending you harm. It's completely separate from their outward appearance.

44:08 And and if and if that was a white black dude. White dude, any kind of dude, right? Doesn't matter. You'd have the same fucking reaction if you saw the same set of behaviors. Yeah, and it really was the behavior. Exactly. I mean, it was the behavior that allowed me to predict, okay, he's probably coming over here to fuck with us.

44:26 And sure enough. And he was absolutely man. That's see, like, there's there's no scrap of racism there. There's not a scrap of anything. It's just you having like a fucking sense sensibilities. Right. Yeah. And that's not racist. No it's human man. Yeah. It's human. And like you said, my brain was doing what it was built to do synthesize conclusions from inputs.

44:52 And I was like, I was giving it the space to do that. I was saying, well, it doesn't matter if I'm in a bad neighborhood, it doesn't matter this or that. It matters that this person's acting sketchy toward me. Totally, man. You see someone going down the street like yelling to themselves. They have a scowl on their face.

45:10 They're like, you know, make it a make it a gun with their hand and, like, pointing at that car and they're like, fucking obviously crazy or momentarily have something going on. Right. And you cross the street to, like, avoid that person because you're on foot. That's not fucking racist. No, because it doesn't matter. It could be, you know, it could be like a 13 year old white boy, you know, like, or white girl doing that shit.

45:35 And, yeah, I know now I got to contradict myself because an Asian boy or it doesn't matter if it if it's young enough child that try to intervene. Right. If it's a young kid, but if it's like a grizzled old adult. Yeah. No matter what that was like. If they're acting like like that. Yeah, yeah. It's time to like, you know, get some, get some separation of safe.

45:57 You want to avoid them and hopefully you've seen them far enough off due to their bombastic behavior and energy they're putting off that you cross the street before they can even notice you. Right right right right. That'd be ideal. So they don't have like some way to like mentally start paying attention to you specifically. Exactly. Like blend in I think.

46:18 Yeah. Socially blend in. But but yeah, with the cop that pulls over somebody simply because they're black, it's completely fucked up, you know. Right. No shit. Like no. If they're how obvious, you know. And they may add on behaviors there that they say they saw like you were weaving. You were doing this the body cam footage. Now I'll take care of all that shit.

46:41 Exactly. I was like, couldn't happen fast enough. As far as I'm concerned. You put the body cam in all these cops and shit. You know, civilians start having their own cams, and you have cams on all these, like, exchanges, and it starts going to start cleaning up those exchanges. You know, everybody in chat because I mean, this is there's an example here of paranoia.

47:01 I run amuck. Like I was saying, I feel like I have to prune my parents and think about it. Well, no, there's probably a healthy amount of that anyway because the media like only focuses on the negative and it can induce paranoia. Like you're watching the evening news every night. You can take the fucking world on fire. Well, you are, and there's studies that have shown that that if you if you are watching the evening news, you are your world is different than the person who doesn't.

47:26 And that's why I don't engage with it because it's fucking racist to it talks all the time about showcases all the time. You know, people with more melanin in their skin doing bad things all the time. All the time. Right. And then it shows, you know, even just. I mean, it makes everything scary, right? It makes every aspect of your life scary.

47:47 It shows people with more melanin. It shows people with it says scams are out there. You're going to get scammed in every facet of your life. Not true. Yeah, and the media has done like a superb job at sowing the seeds of racist thinking and behavior for a long, long time. So fuck them. They can keep their own game.

48:08 And that's why I don't even watch the evening news. I don't even watch it because ultimately it doesn't matter where their tactics race, race baiting. Yeah, it's, it's become this. It's not become the news. It's become a narrative. Right. And they're selling worldview. That's right. And so now that, like the society has gotten like through the Black Lives Matter movement and is now like hyper aware of all this, like, you know, idiosyncrasies of racism and all this kind of stuff.

48:33 And you have, like, thousands and thousands of younger people, you know, millions of younger people especially like being ultra, ultra woke within antenna feels like out making racism everywhere. Right, right. The news is like right there to create the fuck out of them. Like, you know, black man. You know, questioned by police, you know, blah, blah, blah, some kind of clickbait headline race baiting, right?

48:54 Total race baiting. And then the person, you know, clicks on it, it's like, oh, this is terrible, you know, contributes as to the comments. Now watch this ad. Yeah, right. No, no. Watch this ad. Reinforce what was in the content. Now that we've reinforced it, take some time to process what what we told you. Agree with it and we'll come back.

49:18 There you go. There you go. And so now the person has this, like their ideas reinforced, but also they have their their mind reinforced. Always be thinking about race, how much, how much melanin someone has in their skin. That's something that's very important. Right. But the true scientific truth, which is irrelevant, it's irrelevant. It's just a trait. It's just a trait.

49:38 It's just a descriptor. Exactly. Thank you. It's just a trait, you know? It's like, you know, fucking attach ear lobes where they have a widow's peak color of your hair, you know, like how fast your fucking fingernails grow. Whatever. Seriously, it really is just a trait. Yeah. And it's like, it's just something that I'm going to take note of whenever, like, hey, have you met Josh?

50:01 I don't know his last name, but this is what he looks like. Exactly. And you use all the descriptors that you know of this person? Yeah. What? How much melanin their skin and how they are happens to be another one of the descriptions of them. And, you know, that's I mean, you're a racist if you say the person's real dark skinned.

50:19 Yeah. Sounds to be true. Just like if you say they're very, you know, they're, super pale. Super pale. That's what you'd say. You'd be like, I can, you know, and I might say something a little crazy, like, I, you know, this person's so pale, I can almost see the veins in their face, right? Right. Yeah, sure.

50:40 You know, but again, talking about someone's someone's, you know, feature set and describing somebody who's in a racist activity. Yeah. You know, it's like, Holy shit, dude, I can't I can't get over it enough. And, you know, anyone that's fucking bigoted in 2022 needs to check themselves, needs to give them the fucking times, needs to do some soul searching of their own.

51:03 Because it's a moot point in my mind. Yes. And that's how I believe it just has belief that that's how we move past this shit, man. Well, we have to recognize it and we have to deal with it on an individual and group level. So many times we're just dealing with it on a group dynamics level, and that's all the training does, is built on a group dynamics level.

51:26 It doesn't help you as a person deal with whatever latent feelings you have. So like how does. How does the corporation really go about making the determination that someone is part of the of a marginalized group? I don't know, they can't. It's impossible. Yeah. It's impossible. The person put in their job. That's a black. I mean, you're going to need a lot of social data to determine if someone's marginalized dude.

51:52 Exactly, exactly that. And like, you know, let me see your bank statements. Right. You know, if you're if you're rolling at like, six mil in the bank, I don't know how marginalized you are, right? Yeah. In fact, yeah. If you got six figures or more in the bank, yeah, you might not be marginalized. Oh, yeah. And then, you know.

52:11 But the company. The company, we could do a Jeff Foxworthy. You might be a redneck if you might be marginalized. If. Yeah, let's do it. You might be marginalized if you're worried about your car starting. Yeah, yeah, start it off. You might be marginalized if you feel unsafe walking to your driveway. Walking in your driveway. Yeah. There you go.

52:36 You may be marginalized if you smell gunsmoke and it doesn't disturb you, you might be marginalized if.

52:46 A a cycle of cop cars and fire department vehicles in your neighborhood, you just as normal. Yeah, you might be marginalized if you always check your balance before drawing from the ATM. Yeah, yeah. And we're talking withdrawing 20 bucks. Oh, yeah. Of course, of course, for 250. Yeah. Because you're not at your bank's ATM because your bank is a credit union.

53:10 Right. That's on the other side of town. Yeah, exactly. It's like you're not plugged in to the large, low spending corporations because you can't afford to be. Okay. So you might be marginalized if, this is maybe a good one. You might be marginalized if payday loan actually makes starts making sense, like, as an option. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's just fair, right?

53:32 Or putting a lien out on your car, the what do they call it? Tidal loans. Yeah. Right, right. You might be marginalized. Yeah. You might be marginalized if you, seriously consider it on a regular basis, don't you? Oh, that was a horrible experience.

53:48 Here you go. You might be marginalized if you. None of your friends can help you get a job. There we go. There we go. Look, if your social network isn't able to help you get a leg up. You might be marginalized. If you live near me, right? You might be marginalized if you live near me as well. Wait.

54:13 You might be marginalized if you're a jackass doing a podcast. Yeah. 6 a.m.. Yeah, exactly. That's awesome. You might be, because we're looking for the way out, guys. Yeah. Oh, this is the way. This is the path. This is the way through. Hey, it might not be, but we gotta try something. At least it's helping us collect some thoughts.

54:32 Yeah, true. You might be marginalized if the bus is how you get around. Well, yeah. If public transportation is your your one and only way of getting around, you know that you might be marginalized. How about that one? Especially if you live in an area where there isn't good public transportation, and that's your only transportation. If your underwear has your older brother's name on it because it was a fucking hand-me-down, you might be marginalized.

55:00 Oh shit. Just go. So easy to start off first of all, right? Right. I mean, you know, for me, it's if you're if a sweatshirt that you're required to wear by your mother is covered in puff paint and was a hand-me-down and was hand-me-down. Okay. If you know what hand-me-downs are. Yeah, exactly. Period. Let's see if,

55:29 Here's here's one for you. If you don't have a relationship with your primary parent and you don't know your your secondary parent like your other. You might be marginalized. Okay. Another personal experience one, if your favorite shirt is pockmarked with holes and more than ten years old.

55:48 Yeah, that happened when I was, I don't know, nine if you're if you're not shocked and and and taken aback by a needle on the street, you know, then you might be marked. Yeah, right. Basically, if we can just do this all day, if the trappings of your life.

56:08 Are worrisome and stress reducing in their individual form, much less the aggregate. You know. Yeah. If you don't know if you don't, if you're not, not if you don't have, but if you don't know what a 401 K is you might be marginalized. There we go. And that's a thing. I mean I, I on we go.

56:28 I just don't understand why they didn't teach us in school. I don't know if you had financial literacy classes. We did not. But I've just had them throughout the course of being kicked so many times in my life that it's time to learn some shit. Right. It's like you've got a self-taught, you've got to, worry about things on your own.

56:49 You've got to invest your own. You've got to make your own safety net. First time the bank took a $35 overdraft from me, I made sure that shit never have it again. Oh, man. So I was about to get on check systems because I had a couple of other draft fees. I got them to take one away, so I got them to take one away.

57:10 Then I went to another branch to deal with overdraft fees. Right. But you have to creatively deal with them. So I went to another branch of that bank, took all the money out and moved it to another bank before they could put me on check system. There you go. And then, because I couldn't afford to pay the overdraft fees that they were going to charge me.

57:31 Oh my gosh. I made a deal with them. Hey, you guys are charged me at the end of the week, so.

57:37 You know how I beat that game so long ago? They stopped spending fucking money, right? Sounds stupid, but that was my like, like like sickening. You know, having to pay so much for like, a fee, which is just money lending at thousands of percent interest. So like, overdraw your account by a dollar. Right. And you charge 75. Right.

57:55 So for them loaning you a dollar to complete the transaction. Right. They're going to get 35. Plus they're going to get 36 out of you. Yeah. Right. So so right there is like beyond loan sharking. You know but hey and it could be a fee. It could be as much as a few cents. I have over drafted by a few cents and then charge 35 bucks.

58:15 See I would just go without a bank account if I'm. That's just having I did for a while and then I got robbed a few times. Shit. So, you know, you didn't tell me about that. I never I oh, I've never been robbed, but I've always been fucking smart about how I, you know, not that you weren't smart.

58:32 Well, no, it wasn't that. It was where I lived. And then I was carrying around money. Like, Desiree had a gun put to her head when we were held up one time. Jesus Christ, dude. That's why I was talking about some of these neighborhoods. You know, people are coming out of these some of these neighborhoods. Greater levels of PTSD than soldiers from the front lines.

58:52 It's so insane. Yeah, man. And you know, the fact that that that exists in the richest country in the world is just a fucking abomination. It's a huge stain on our our culture and our government, you know, and our society at large. It really is. Yeah. At one time, I was robbed at gunpoint by a guy. I was waiting outside for somebody to point.

59:10 Yeah, I was waiting on somebody outside to, you know, pick me up at my apartment to go work at Sam's Club on third shift. And this guy had a pair of Jenkins on with the really deep pockets. And, you know, he's talking to me about the weather and weather, and he. It's this Asian guy, right? You know, and, you know, I don't think anything of it.

59:31 He's got a shaved head. He looks kind of like he's in the same socioeconomic status as I am. He fucking pulls a pipe out of these long ass pants like a wet pipe. Yeah. What the fuck? And was basically threatening to bash my skull in if I didn't give him money. So I gave money. Wow. Really? I just thought the fucking guy.

59:49 What? Did he seem tough. Yeah. He did. And I grabbed the pipe like me and jumped on him. I mean, you probably have fucking, right? You probably have a lot more, you know, fighting skills than I do. I have one. Almost every fight I've been in except for the, if it's a knife or a gun, I'm not even going, you know?

1:00:10 Yeah. You don't want to charge a gun and from a knife, but it was a pipe, and, you know, it was like. It's like I could give him some money, have him walk away, and then go to work and make some more. Pretty good logic, you know. And so I gave him, like, 35 bucks. I just handed him some money out of my walk out of my wallet and then walked away and was still looking at him like, I'm walking to my apartment.

1:00:37 Wow. Because I was sitting right. Apartment. These are, like, legit, you know, traumatic experiences, man. Another time, I was standing outside of my apartment talking on a portable phone to this girl, and this young guy comes this way. And the way he's looking at me like, oh, fuck. And like, he's straight up pulls a gun on me, robs me for five bucks, took my wallet, wouldn't give me my wallet because I asked.

1:01:05 And then I go back inside when I get I. Well, I screamed like a little girl when he pulled the gun, I was like, oh, shit. And you know, he grabbed for five bucks. Yo, five bucks. Wow. So go back inside and I tell everybody my buddy Gump, from the description I gave, the guy knows who it is.

1:01:24 No way. Yes. And so he goes over to their apartment because it's in the same apartment complex. They're shitting where they live, where they eat and fucking. He gets my wallet back. No way. They. You know, of course you're not going to get that five bucks back, but it gets my wallet back. And supposedly because. And I can at least corroborate, he did something because the police showed up at their place later that night, but, he grabbed a cordless phone.

1:01:54 He said there was a girl in the bathroom freaking out saying she was going to call the police. So he grabbed another cordless phone that was sitting there, dialed 911 and threw it under the sink. And so he was slick. Slick maneuver, right? And I was like, well, holy shit. And police later did show up. So how weird.

1:02:11 Yeah, I don't know, but, you know, you're marginalized if. Yeah, right. These kids were 16, Jesus Christ in their own apartment. Like, you know, you live in a shady apartment complex when they rent a 16 year olds. Holy fuck. Dude. You know, it's, it's funny because, like, if there would be a strong case, like, let's say that that, you know, somehow, you know, I make but make that first million.

1:02:37 You know, like, something happens in, like, the next few years and I make that first million, let's say, let's just say fragments sake. And people try to say to me that that was due to some kind of fucking privilege. Can you imagine? I mean, do you know my life? You know my life. Yes, exactly. Fucking privilege. The amount of struggle and effort and, you know, pulling yourself up and finding opportunities and really, I mean, no privilege exists between betwixt us.

1:03:05 I can't I'm still to find someone that works harder than me. Yeah, I can't find them. I would agree with you. You know, you know me. Yeah. And fuck off. If someone says something at some point in the future that this is because a privilege is how I mean, you know, if it was. And by the way, I will never have the million.

1:03:23 But what we've talked about because it goes right into supporting the community. Exactly. Instantaneously. Exactly. As soon as I have it. And here's the thing. So everybody. Yeah, exactly. Anybody that would even dare to say that. Because if it was from privilege, you would have had it when you were 20. If it was from privilege, you would've had it by you were 30.

1:03:42 I mean, man, like, you know, all of the things that we talked about most of all in our joke about, marginalization, which was, was, you know, they were poverty, mostly related to poverty. Yeah. And there were a lot of them were rooted in things we both experienced. Exactly. So it's like, you know, I didn't grow up as poor as you can be.

1:04:00 No, I didn't either. But, yeah, I were unaware of my brother's name on it. Same. I did, I did too. Luckily we had a decent enough laundry system, so there was no shit staying in them, but, you know. Yeah. But but the. But the permanent marker, you know. Yeah. That ain't faded. It was still there. Yeah. It's not going away.

1:04:17 When I was bullied in high school and got the wedgie and had my brother's name in my underwear, I had to take extra shit for that. Oh. That's terrible. Right. You get the. You get, like, pinned down by the soccer team and they, they they wedgie you, you know, like, just part of this, like, stupid, you know, like, whatever 50 year initiation thing that that particular school happened to do and there's all dogpile and give you a wedgie.

1:04:38 Big deal. Right. No big deal. No big deal. You know, laughing two seconds later. But then they see your brother's name on the underwear, right? And they're like, hey, he's wearing his brother's underpants. You're like, you know. Yeah. Marginalized. If you get a wedgie from being. Hey, there's this one kid he was getting hanging out the place. Curtis.

1:04:55 He kind of looked like Popeye. All right? Like you had the, like, folded in face, and he. He would all the time get harassed. And people, they actually ripped his sphincter. Oh, it was the wedge going too far, right? Simple wedgie. Come on. Nobody. Yeah. You don't need to pull the shit over somebody's head. Right. It's a victim.

1:05:15 Was crime, right? Yeah. And like, two seconds later, your fist bump and the guys that just wedgie you and you're laughing. Like, that's not even really hazing. It's like fun. It's just boys playing around, and that's. You're fucking go to the hospital with a rip. Yeah. You asshole. That's maybe not right. Yeah, this this kid was. He was a piece of work.

1:05:35 Another time, he was making invisible ink in science class, and he did something wrong. It blew up, and I didn't even know you had a. I guess you have caps on your fingers because they were down here. Weird. And he had to. He had to go to the hospital, like, right then. Weird. And I guess they fixed whatever's going on.

1:06:04 Holy shit. That's crazy. And but, there was an explosion, and he had to go to the hospital, is what I know. And it was something with his hands. How crazy. Yeah, I've seen weird injuries. I've never heard of anything like that. I had, like, the skin peeled back and stuff I've never heard of, like, knuckle caps. I didn't know you had them.

1:06:21 And I'm not. I'm still not sure you have them. You might have, but I was in seventh grade. Yeah. Maybe something, maybe. Maybe something was down there. But, you know, I was in seventh grade, and I. Yeah. Fuck this. Hands up. And I'm not sure what exactly happened, but he had to go to the hospital right then and there, and they had to fix something with his hands.

1:06:42 And he was out for like, four days. Wow. This kid just had it rough. He was fucking. But I mean, when you're a ginger and you look like Popeye, you don't start from a good space. You probably have a whole podcast one day about gingers, but on that note.