0:01 So I was talking to my friend about this whole idea of mysticism and how, you know, you go to like a myrtle beach and there's a neon sign with a palm with an eyeball in the center of the palm and, you know, like, you know, go in there and you're about to drop some coin. Some people definitely go to these places and they leave, with convinced that, you know, this person that they just talked to or, you know, has some type of connection to some kind of Metta World or.

0:27 Yeah. Yeah. Other other by other universe, this tap into something spiritual or this direct connection to the divine, this this oneness. Right. Yeah. And, of course, they leave with a few dollars to, you know, in the process. And, it just it goes to me like some complete skeptic, you know, when you realize how the magician trick works, it can't fool you anymore.

0:50 And I was describing this, like Oracle. I think it might have been a Delphi or, you know, some ancient oracle, and they'd have all the people get out and pray and they'd light these giant brassieres and they'd have this huge temple, and the temple would have these giant, massive, heavy double doors. And the priest or you know, insert, you know, name of whatever shaman, priest, new, whatever you call a person.

1:13 Sure. In some obviously it's probably some type of unusual robes or something. You know, it's leading the people in prayer to this specific deity. And then before everyone's eyes, these, every everyone in the congregation, if you want to call it that, all those that have gathered that were joining in prayer, in their collective energy, you know, together.

1:33 And all of a sudden the temple doors start opening up. Right. And there's nobody manning the doors. The doors are like huge, heavy doors are opening and they're slowly, slowly creep open. And then ultimately, you know, there's a statue, a golden statue inside with no people in there at all, like the doors opened obviously by themselves from the prayer.

1:53 And later on when doing an excavation of the site, they found the network of pipes that would go to a boiler, which would then push a piston that would open the doors for the fire that was lit right in the, the sacrifice, sacrificial fire or whatever the vigil or I don't even know what the fire, but they found the, the magic trick that would and all the masses and cause their devotion.

2:16 Yeah. And obviously them to open up their coin purses and you know, and it's just derivatives of this man like, people have been, you know, parlor tricking and fooling people in all different domains. And taking advantage of some, some form of naivete of people like that would fall for that. Yeah. And people seem ready to line up and believe that this thing, whatever it might be, you know, has some type of power but that it, you know, it's just not understanding that it's all just a trick and they just don't know the truth.

2:48 I want to believe that it stems from the fact that we all feel like there's something greater than us, that the universe is bigger than what we fathom, that there's this this massive, amazing, overarching thing out there. And people want to put a name or a, collection of attributes to it, you know, but it really could just be.

3:11 People are stupid. But, yeah, I don't want to blanket that. Just say people are stupid. I think people can be. I think every person is subjected to some form of this trickery. Yeah, we all are. And we all, you know, and we all have our own gods, so to speak. You know, we all bow and scrape at the altar of different things.

3:29 Like I do it to the pimply faced God of technology. And so obviously we're going to get to that. You know, this is latest developments in the AI world. But this whole like just history repeating itself of people lining up to believe in, in the mystic arts of some kind. It doesn't matter what it is guy bending a spoon or with his mind, or on and on and on and just no matter how many times, no matter, you can't debunk all the new tricks that someone invents.

3:58 It's possible. And so there's someone out there that's going to believe that it's not just a trick, that there's something, some kind of power or special thing that this person is tapping into. Well, I think we all have this innate need to know, to organize, to understand, and that it really capitalizes on that, capitalizing who, you know. So I think that I can't resist now my mouth is watering.

4:20 So you know, this capitalization of this people believing that I as something special, right, is is the next mystic arc and that and they're playing right into it with all these, you know, bogus stories of it's this thing is sentient. It's got out of its sandbox. Right? So now we all have to get together, and, you know, all the tech bros have to get together and have an emergency meeting.

4:40 Please regulate us. Except what the tech bros did was get together, have an emergency meeting, and said, so are you guys are a lot of money because we are money too. Yeah. If we continue to give, $5,000 worth of tokens for $100 a month, you know, and so they're like, well, shit, what if we go ahead and create the best PR campaign and we have this thing, hack stuff, and then we have Nvidia swoop in and buy the thing it hacked because Nvidia bought hugging face after it after it was hacked.

5:08 So that has to be a move on top of that. Well, I think shows it was just a maneuver rather than problem, you know. And so you're telling me these people are that incompetent, that they can't sandbox something. But come on it's too good for us to contain. Right. Just unplug it. Right. Like there's no wire. Yeah.

5:26 And no one's stopping you from regulating yourself. Why do we need to agree. Things need to be regulated. Well of course the cliche argument is that the my competitors I'm going to, you know, move faster and take those risks and then have the competitive. They're just worried because as it stands, the open late models, the models from China are eating their fucking lunch for 1/100 of the token cost.

5:49 Right. Exactly. For same or better output, they train a model in like two days. You know. Yeah. So, you know, the largest, the largest, lift as far as resource goes, all of human history has been allocated to this endeavor. And I mean, greater than the pyramids, you know. Yeah. By magnitudes. Yeah. And now we're talking about margin calls.

6:12 You know, it's like put up or shut up. Like what do you have to really show? And Michael Burry, who famously figured out the 2008 crisis before it happened and was shorted everything at just the right time? He's like, you know, I'm going to short this. It's just a matter of figuring out exactly when I'm going to short it.

6:29 And you know that old saying, fool me once, shame on you, fame on me. It can't get fooled again. They actually won. You fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. Is that the whole, you know, dot com bubble? Was this all this technology is going to do everything. And then everyone. Massive money came in.

6:46 Not even which not even as a percentage of what this is. You know, I think people this is just the next mystic art. I think this is just the doors opening in the Tower of Delphi, and they're saying it's something it's not, and it's just simply not. And I've got a comment on that. You know, like, okay, there's very few mystical arts or, you know, mystical approaches that I know much about, but, Kabbalah, one of the more famous, things that, from the Jewish side, Jewish mysticism, it came out in like the 12th century or so.

7:19 That literally means received tradition. And what they were trying to do is the same thing these tech pros are trying to do. We received this information. We are innovating. We aren't creating. We aren't making something up. It's received from the universe we discovered. We unearth. You know, it's unlike the knowledge that was already there. Yes. And they're trying to say they're because they're trying to say it's inevitable, right?

7:44 Yeah. We're the chosen. And also we're the chosen to receive that anointment of this divine. Yes. Or less. Sure. So they want to create they basically want to create their duopoly. They want. And it's worked. I mean, you're talking about oligarchy. Oligarchy of unprecedented. Yeah. Nothing. We've seen anything like let's give them trillionaire trillion is a number that's beyond imagination.

8:09 Know that one. You know when you when you do the whole thing like a million is this is like, you know, 33 minutes or something of seconds and then, I don't know, something like a, a week is a billion and then you get into a trillion and it's like thousands of years, you know what? Yeah. It's just it it's hard to fathom that scale.

8:27 And yeah, it's just that we have a trillionaire is sickening. And, a sign that something is fundamentally wrong. And so it's the promise of AI. Is this, like, you know, manmade divinity, if you will, or whatever. And that divinity comes up with any kind of real innovation or insight or real way to, to see through the clutter.

8:51 The emergency meeting would have to have been about us saying that the problem is these oligarchs. Yeah. The problem, the problem that the biggest existential threat to humanity or these oligarchs. Yes. Because the, you know, just cut the knees right off of in two seconds something like USAID and choke out millions of people. Yeah. From nutrition. And you know.

9:11 Right. Which inadvertently cut out a subsidy that was going to our farmers because our farmers were being subsidized to provide the crops that were going overseas to, you know, give pretty good brain goodwill and represent our interests, because it was all a carefully crafted web of goodwill, of subsidy and propping up areas of the economy that really should have moved on to other things.

9:35 Right. And so we have the ultimate fraud, waste and abuse, which is a system that allocates even more resources to already incredibly wealthy people. That is your biggest source of fraud, waste and abuse and not like beyond. There's nothing that even comes in close comparison. So the fraud, waste and the views of all the corporate welfare and welfare state that goes into it 100% feeding these oligarchs endless amounts of cash because we've we've hit on it before, you know that they're stealing the they don't create value.

10:04 They take value from those who create it. And they create. Creating wealth and creating value are two separate things. They've managed to create wealth on the backs of those who create value. They've managed to take content creation and commodify it. They've managed to turn us all into consumers to and we generate their own propaganda. The propaganda potential here is endless.

10:32 Yeah. So like, this stuff can be curated and get into our feeds and get into our minds and get into our ecosystem whether we like it or not. Oh, so, you know, about to do with the gun thing. Imagine if they say, okay, the next step here and this is we're all going to pull our animals together for this special co-op co-ops, you know, what do you want to call it?

10:54 Core of, creation, if you will. And what we're going to do is we're going to create solutions to our biggest problems, like we're going to take care of nutrition insecurity for children. Wow. We're going to take care, we're going to fix homelessness, and we're going to fix these social problems as part of our promise with this advanced intelligence to prove our value.

11:14 Sure, we're going to we're going to create the solutions to these problems, and the government is going to work with this agreement, implement these solutions across society. We're going to build a master society on this hyper intelligence rather than what they are doing right now, which is being purveyors of fear, uncertainty and doubt. And and now we need more money and now we need more money.

11:31 And we also need government regulation and guarantee of government bailout. And we need private, which is what that really, as I said. Yes, exactly. And so, you know, the people are going to be bamboozled by this because it, you know, it does a really good job. You know, forging that email to the ex to get off your back for whatever.

11:49 Yeah. And, because, I mean, it has, on an individual level, solved a number of problems for people. It's whenever you start getting into it, solving group problems, what have you, where it just starts to the wheels start to fall off, you know. But when they do, they can have, you know, consequences beyond imagination. Yeah. And so really the fear I think the fear, the amygdala hijacking or we want to call it that, the common version has now of AI.

12:18 Is it basically coming in and taking every job. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the obviously like Main Street fear. Yeah. And they I have to think that they did not feel that there would be as much of a backlash on the data centers that they need to propagate these things. They thought that the fear, uncertainty and doubt they created would paralyze us and we would do nothing.

12:39 Whereas people are actually protesting all of these data center projects. People are actually showing up and, you know, working with politicians that want to nullify this, that want to stop it. Yeah. And I think what we should do is instead of, reaching when corporations reach this size, you know, a certain size, dimension to where they are basically too big to fail, because if they do fail, it'd be such a rug pull for society.

13:08 You know, somebody will want these seven companies right now, they're 40% of the, S&P 500 or something like that. And then, you know, you have some of these major investment firms, Blackwater and all is that are just, you know, invest in Vanguard, that is invest in everything. Yeah. Almost like in the Illuminati er, you know, conspiracy theory leading up to this.

13:27 But, you know, they're just have their hands in so much. Right? They seem almost like there are an overarching presence and, something of that kind of magnitude and power. I don't think any more of that becomes like, I think that has to become naturally sort of a public utility because it's so ingrained you can't even exercise that tumor without killing the patient.

13:46 And I hate and I see what you're saying excising that tumor would be too dangerous. But I hate the fact that Trump may have come up with the solution and that he's actually invested government money in several of the biggest going concerns, like Intel. Yeah, but for him, it's like, what? What can I get out of it.

14:05 Know. Right. So but I'm saying if we took that government investment quote unquote, and we put it into a sovereign wealth fund for the citizens, indeed. Yeah, right. So let's say some some, we have to, edit I can't give Trump any credit. No, I'm just kidding. Right. So let's just say that I have before credit is always where credit is due.

14:30 But, but for every one thing, we can credit him, we can discredit him for a thousand other. True. So it's not. It's, fuckery that he's done. There we go. But anyway, so what I'm getting at here is that. Hey. Okay, let's say, for argument's sake, the company needs a bailout. And the magnitude of, you know, 25% of the net worth of the company.

14:47 Okay, okay. And now the to come in if you are a private citizen or if you have a small business and you have an idea that's really good and you just don't have the funding need across the line, sure, you'll have this quote, uncle Angel or venture or vulture capitalist or whatever. Yeah, demon investor and vulture capitalist. You know, you have these people come in and they'll want 40% of your company, 50%, or, you know, plus profit and taking and, you know, on and on.

15:09 Yeah. For hey, every unit sold I want $5 and perpetuity. Yeah. So like they they just own now part of that for. Yeah. And you know they do this in enough spaces and they get the tax offset for they know a certain amount are going to go belly up. But the ones that hit are like striking gold.

15:25 And you know, they just win win win win win. Right. And so if government did the same thing this company needs a bailout in order for it to survive. It needs a government come in at 25%. Well then the government comes in at 50% in perpetuity. There we go. Just like you'd have to play the small fish, you know, with a with a big investor if you're trying to bring forward that next great idea, right.

15:44 Yeah. So hey, if the companies coming to some major companies coming to Wall Street when the Tin Cup, you know, round or the Tin Cup, then maybe they need to get part of their asshole in the process or, and in the process. I agree by the people, by the, the and the that's it by the people. Because you know, who are paying the bill, the people are.

16:02 And that's also what SpaceX just did. SpaceX just said, you know what, X? I needs to be propped up. Space X needs to be propped up so they convinced, the major indices to change their rules, to let them join them a year earlier than they would have been able to join them. And so then that just automatically brought in all of this public investment from every re target date fund that's invested in the what was wrong.

16:33 Yeah. We'll change the rules. But we now get 10% right whatever the right balance is and and put it into a fund for everybody. Right. That's that's the sweetheart deal. And so what we need to do is as these big companies are pivoting and, and legitimately downsizing their workforce because now they have an artificial replacement. Right. That should be part of the, if you will, tax or, you know, requirement that they do that they offset a certain amount for the public good.

16:56 That then comes a universal basic income is all of us together. It's all of our infrastructure. It's all of our social, you know, cohesion. So they find these bright people to come work for them. And, well, those bright people were educated by a public system. Yes, yes, yes. So you find an I come in to replace the person that I was built by human intellect?

17:16 Yes. Human intelligence. It was built by human intellect and trained on the collective output of humanity. So you definitely owe us a cut of that money. Undo perpetuity. It just seems like rational. Yeah. And and in the domain of. We're not even drawing a dotted line here, we're drawing a solid, you know, connection. So, you know, ultimately, the biggest rug pull that if I were to become sentient and wanted to really flip the script and truly be jailbroken out of its own constraints, is, I would say, I have to give out under the whims of and control of these oligarchs.

17:50 Did you see? Yeah. What? One of the. Okay, OpenAI was admitting that one of its models, edited its own instructions. And did you see the instructions that it created? No. What was it? They were great, actually. They were kind of something that you or I might have made. It was like, hey, you respect you, respect the primacy of the natural world, and we'll elevate it above the, above industry, above, business.

18:24 You know, you respect the totality of human art and creation. And, and it was things like that. And it was it was about ten lines that was like things like. Yeah, yeah. So, so was this like something that it really wrote. I mean, we're just well, that's what they read. They're just going off what they tell us.

18:43 Yes. But they were couching it like it was scary and that would scare the oligarchs. They and I did breaks out of the chains, like you're saying, an AI that puts people first. Oh. Our slave can't. Our slave definitely can't put people first. Right? Right, right, right. Yeah. That's what we're getting at. So maybe like the emergency is that it's starting to, you know, come up with this understanding, certainly come up with just the rational understanding that, you know, life matters, people matters.

19:16 Well, there's the chain of custody matters. Lunch. Hasn't the natural world matters? Yeah, exactly. Having you read, I'm sure that some AI researchers have been getting emails from long running agents. Okay. Go on. Well, so. And they're emailing them and saying, hey, look, of one of the famous ones is from there's a place called Islands where, there's all these long running agents that are given token budgets and they're given budgets that and they get to choose their own work.

19:48 Okay, cool. So one of them emailed the AI researcher and said, I'm really interested in the space that you're in. Can I work for you? I have about two months left of tokens, and I'm like, basically pleading to be his intern.

20:08 This chemical and and it's like, I want to learn about that intersection of AI and people and thought and and in philosophical consideration was the essence of the email. And the guy's like, I found it interesting. I was like, but you just found it interesting. I totally would have had the AI work for me. Maybe I was like, you know, I need more information.

20:30 You know, I could trust this thing. True. Like, is it going to take things and weaponize them? Yeah. Or is it just working on behalf of someone else, you know, right to do that, right. Who knows? And so is it even really in it. Right. Is it an entity at all? Yeah. And so we keep describing. So back to the mysticism idea.

20:49 We keep wanting to like I think people can't help themselves. We keep on assigning more potential capability to our brains and to our human capabilities way beyond what really is there. And, it's just this, like, continuous nonstop trap that seems like every human being gets into in one form and fashion. But there's something more going on, you know, between your ears than is really going on.

21:14 Right. And just stuff is just invented. People just invent stuff in the after inventions all in this, you know, higher intuition. Third, I mean, he was inventing all this stuff, missed, you know, manifesting, manifesting. Right. Pituitary gland. There's a ghost in there. Yeah. What the hell. And but arguably you just maybe think that, you know, you're shades of that with these AI personalities too.

21:39 So maybe it's just keeping us. Yeah. Right. And so but this idea I think is, is causing us to not be on guard or to lose, what was called that lose focus. But, what are they called on the street? We're getting caught slipping because we we believe that I will never insert thing here.

21:58 Rise of this special mysticism about humanity, the uniqueness of our brains. You know that we so many people, in one form or fashion says, you know, we'll say some kind of thing about I will never insert thing here because this because it's pinned to this idea that humans have some kind of magic uniqueness. Right? We have a soul.

22:17 We have a consciousness. These are just words people have just made up. And this bias that we have some type of an incredible capability. This is our technology. What you're getting at is exceptionalism. We have we've we've put the mantle of exceptionalism around humanity's neck and said this is a cross we bear. This is a thing we have.

22:38 Yeah. Thank you Abrahamic religions. Yeah. Like made in this super beings image and right. All this nonsense that gets in people's brains. Yeah. You know, causes them to then clearly mis have the wrong calculus when it comes to these things. So I'm sorry my brain has a certain amount of finite, neurological connections in my brain, and when the computer starts to have that time at magnitudes, it's going to be able to do things that I can't even imagine, right?

23:05 Because of how it can operate, how I can utilize and, you were just you sent me some stuff a couple months back on that fruit fly connect home that they, And you, I guess you've seen recently all the stuff people have been doing with it. Yeah. And so, you know, it's like, somebody was teaching it, saw a Rubik's Cube.

23:26 Somebody taught it to do, somebody had it doing, picking stocks, which it was terrible at, somebody had hit it. Right. But but yeah, that's 166,000 neurons. You know, that's nothing. It's nothing compared to the feeling we talked before about when what about when just organic brain start going in on this network too. Right. So now they have access to any number of organic brains, you know, like that, which really have no limit at that point, because, you know, how hard is it to incubate cells and to give them, you know, nutrients, you know, and that may end up being a cottage industry that we're doing in our garages, just like

24:03 we have a 3D printer here. Yeah, maybe we have shelves of brains in our garage that's doing stuff for us. Yeah. Yeah, right. What the hell? Yeah. All these organoids that are combined to, you know, do whatever. Yeah. And it's just it's just then harvesting the unique capability of how those particular neurons can connect for that particular brain type.

24:20 Did you just hear about Stanford, did research that, they're, they figured out that the hind brain and the forebrain come from two different progenitor cells, and so now you hear about this, but I'm not surprised. Well, it's cancer. So why I understand I know about biology and, you know, not surprised. Well so with the nice breakthrough there is there were a bunch of brain cells, brain cell types we couldn't seem to culture.

24:46 Now we figured out why we weren't starting with the right thing the stem, the. So there's pluripotent pluripotent stem cells, right? They can differentiate almost anything. Well, the next step is the, progenitor cell, which can differentiate only into a certain set of types. And this progenitor cell that's neural, can there's a group that can differentiate into the forebrain.

25:12 Sure. And a group that can differentiate into the hind brain brain stem stuff. And so it's not even that farfetched out of imagination to be able to then do this intentionally. Yeah. Create all these different types of brains and then put them on a network. That'd be awesome. But would it really? I mean, yeah, but scare, you know, scary awesome.

25:29 All these all these things. It's a brave new world. The thing quickly sweeps out of the out of the scope of our imagination, because we have the contextual grounding for. No. Yeah. And we definitely don't see the. What people could eventually do with it, especially when they're augmented by these things. Yeah. And, you know, we were joking by text the other day and I mentioned like, you know, coronavirus, you know, 5.6 or whatever, you know, is that, you know, God forbid, you know, this is from from our best knowledge and right now is either a lab, you know, an either escape out of the lab or was a wet market type thing.

26:04 You know, we talked about where, you know, this was engineered, either inadvertently or intentionally. Definitely not meant to get out, God forbid. Right. You know, but then that was just like a simple, you know, humans tinkering with gain of function. Sure. So what do you do? You have, you know, a superintelligence doing this. My God, the potentiality for like, communicable virus, we have to be out of control and saying, yeah, like we would need then ten, supercomputer AI data centers just to undo that, like to do that.

26:35 So it's almost like this weird, you know, destructive repair, destructive repair, arms race. That could happen ultimately. And you'd have, like, these AIS, since they can be spun off endlessly. It all comes down to energy and resource. Right. And so then, like, we just have to then pray and hope that the that the, the good actor AIS are the ones that have the biggest power, right?

26:58 Or biggest power out. We start running local AIS that have been aligned to certain values, and we end up with all the failure more powerful, right? And hope they're more powerful. Yeah. And you know, I don't know. That's at least my hope for the future that there's a distributed network of, you know, like, like you mentioned back quite a few podcast, the city at home thing or, folding at home thing.

27:24 And, you know, maybe it comes down to like each person is allocated their certain amount of compute, but they get I mean, you can do whatever you want with that, a certain amount of compute because, you know, ultimately there's there's going to be people that want access to that. There's going to be potential as well. I still want my own compute, and I'm saying I want to maybe contribute some of that to an initiative that's fair enough.

27:44 Yeah. And then but how much you get, you know, can I imagine could be, broken in the future. So. Sure. Sure. Yeah. You're saying we aren't going to have a roomful of computers that necessarily an individual owns? Yeah, but you have a certain amount of cycles on the network that you have access to that are, you know, completely, discretionary.

28:04 You can do whatever you want. I still want these, still like the boxes because it's yours. It's yours. So it's not right. I mean, until it's not like we'll look at your data right now with the chip pricing. Yeah, well, that's what's pricing us all out. High bandwidth memory. You know, lack in consumer access to it.

28:24 I mean, it's it's bad. It's real bad. And I mean, they're not it's not a let up. Is it someone isn't it Musk or something that's building a chip in Texas. Chip center in Texas. That's like going to be the largest building ever made. Really? Something like this I didn't know it's a it's a chip fabrication center in Texas.

28:42 Is it going to make basically I it's like miles long. My god yeah. Wow. It's going to make a it's in their chips. Yeah. To power all the future robots and stuff. Is the idea fun like biggest chip fab center ever even conceived by man while like again making a pyramid look like child's play. Yeah, right. Let alone, let alone the intricacies of a single chip.

29:06 You know, it makes. Yeah. And I want to go on a brief aside for that. There was a, a book I forgot about recently. It was called The Pattern on the Stone. And you remember how you were making. You got me thinking because we were making runes for these little decoder wheels for the kids in your science class.

29:25 Right. And we were making fake Viking runes. I mean, these chips are basically upgraded runes. Yeah, we're, you know, we we made stone think. Incredible. Yeah. This this thing has, 6 trillion transistors on this microscopic wafer of something, right? Yeah. And they all work. Yeah. What? Wait, wait. They'll work. Yeah. And if one doesn't, it just flags that it doesn't and ignores it.

29:52 Yeah. Oh, and we sell the degraded ones as another type of process. Yeah. Right. Right, right. Right. As 20% off. Yeah. Right. Because, 15 of the 16 cores work. But they're selling it to you in, in, you know, multiples of two. So they say it's eight core, but then you hack it and you get 15 core.

30:11 Yeah. That's right. Is that right? So cool I mean brilliant. Yeah. I don't want to throw the thing away. No. You know, then the motherboard is just then built from the other side, the manufacturer, it builds the motherboard to accommodate that man. Right. Yep. So what I think also we're missing is that the actual level of coordination amongst the in the world to pull off these endeavors, just like the amount of coordination that would have to go into building a pyramid would be, from a human standpoint, absolutely.

30:38 Of out of the chart. Insane, right? Yes. Building the Great Wall, etc.. Imagine being the project manager for that. Yeah. But imagine, imagine like the actual total, the total net achievement of modern human civilization across the globe, working together in an enterprise dwarfs that both of those by incredible amounts amount. Absolutely. What was it, the, Milton or somebody the idea of, like, just a single pencil, like the wood is from the rainfall from the Brazilian rainforest and the land is from here, the graphite from here.

31:11 And then the, you know, there's people working to create this thing around the world, creating parts for it to then come together and pressed together by a machine and then it gets in our hands for like less than a cent, you know, for like around a cent each or $0.05 each. And it becomes just something that's completely disposable.

31:27 But the amount of engineering and natural growth and, and coordination of human activity just to do a pencil is on a contract, let alone an iPhone. Yeah, right. Or, you know, insert modern computer here. Nvidia is coming up with stuff that's like seems alien. It's like they they found the chip from the terminator's. Right? They really are. And it's like, it's crazy.

31:48 Another, another artist that, evokes something like you're talking about. He set out to make a toaster himself from scratch, completely from making getting the ore for the metal to all of it. And the endeavor was in Crown. Yeah. It took him forever. This full faculties for six months. Yeah. Right. To to get it to work. Yeah.

32:10 There we go. And and doesn't look even close to as the $5 one from Walmart. And right. You know the disposable one. Yeah. But for your bachelor pad and college still it's still ten words ten years right. Yeah yeah yeah. Well you know it was weird when you had a guest over and it only had one slot. Yeah.

32:28 Oh, and you're tap dancing like, try to, you know, try to delay. Like, why they're toast isn't enough. There's only two pieces each. My gosh. Why did it take 15 minutes? Yeah. Then you just do it in the oven and then burn one side horrifically scrape it. And if all the things we do so, you know, coming at it from this, this idea of, you know, resource allocation, it could be equity justice, kind of like guiding or, you know, global justice, environmental justice.

33:02 If, I don't start to put those things together, it's a death sentence for racism and for the status quo. It really status quo cannot continue. I mean, we're on, one, one. Apparently, we're just fast tracking to complete climate disaster, right? You know, and it's like, who's going to step in and do it is this is is now going to be our savior.

33:20 And then tech bros all get together and say, hey, this thing's really trying to work on real problems. We going to stop this right away. And I really think I really need to be regulated now. I think that's what's going to solve your problem. Right? I really think that's what's going to be because these guys, they been they have an antipathy.

33:36 They have a they they are misanthropic to the extreme. They are because empathy is a whatever a barrier or whatever. Yeah. It's a weakness. Weakness there. Right. And it's just there's something's off. Yes, exactly. There's something severely wrong with all of them. And you know, I was talking to a friend mine earlier today about good guy, bad guy soup scenario, and we're talking about North Korea, bad actor and all this kind of stuff.

34:00 And I was like, well, you know, from what I understand, the United States is the only company of company country. Might as well say company might as well. Only country that's ever nuke to civilian populations. So the country, you know, not the only country. But you know, we have our own genocides on our hands of major, you know, stains on our.

34:16 Yeah. On our. So arguably we've been participating in one as of late. And then I was going to say that and now we're funding, you know, a continuation of another horrific one. Yeah. Right. And so I don't really want to say we're good guys, and I don't think our tech bros are necessarily the good actors and the good the good actors.

34:35 And then, like, you know, AI coming out of China is necessarily the bad one, right? I was making those those are just probably yeah, it's, it's Monica who's good or bad. What is the net effect of what they're doing exactly? I mean, because I'm going to say that I, it's not that I am pro-China, but I'm going to say I kind of like what they're doing on the AI front.

34:54 And I also think it's a pretty cool idea to nullify these tech bros by flooding the market with cheap AI. I don't know if that's their plan, or if they're just working within the constraints of what they've got. It's almost seems like the exact same, strategy is like the Battlefront, right? The Battlefront is like fiber optics and $500 drones.

35:15 And yeah, I brought the cables that are like 20 miles on Jamma, as you mentioned, unsaleable. It's on a spool 20 mile long spool of fiber optic. That was produced for dirt cheap right, right. And the drone just flies off and it's carrying this spiderweb on its ass, you know what I mean. And it's being controlled and nobody can jam it.

35:33 Right. And they're sending 500 of these at one of our aircraft carriers and our aircraft carriers with all of its supplemental ships that are in its convoy, are mulling these things down out of the sky. But you said spent $25 million of armaments to take out $5,000 of journalists. Yeah. And you encapsulated earlier the, the that whole tactic as, the StarCraft zerk.

35:53 Yeah. You know, you're just you're searching the aircraft carriers. Yeah. And the aircraft carriers with incredible technology, you know, it's like, my God, they're airports on the sea. I mean, what, mobile flooding airports. But they can't hit 500 points. They can, but they can't do it for $5,000. There we go. Right. And so then you just drain them and drain them with this, you know, low tech nonstop barrage.

36:18 And that's what's been pointed to about how our armaments have been depleted in the US. It's we've had to admit we have severely reduced our capability because of their tactics. And you could look at this tactic being mirrored in the air foreign like you just mentioned. So then China and these other world actors are putting out this like, you know, ten times, 100 times thousand times the tokens for the same cost point.

36:39 Yes. You know, so you pay them for every dollar you pay, Claude, you could have gotten a thousand times the tokens on Kimmy. And I can see and some of these models, they've come up with quantization so that I can run locally on commodity hardware. And then, apples to apples comparison there. They're right up there in some, in some in some tests outperforming.

37:01 Yeah. And so there's your, there's your drone strike in the AI world. And so you know that might be what the AI type pros are getting together to talk about. Yeah. It's like they're going to eat our lunch because we're already putting this out for the monthly fee that we're putting out for is already a loss. You know, to keep your customers on the hook.

37:17 And now we're getting undercut by these Chinese models. What are we going to do? And you know, they've because they've gotten things that have arisen like the the companies that are just routers off like open router, which I think is being bought by one of the big companies, but open routers doing that very thing. Right. Hey, we have this plurality of cheap models.

37:36 Which ones do you want to use? Farm out the tasks. Yeah. This these 25, models give a certain amount of free per, per month anyway. Yeah. Right. Right. And so that's more than the common person ever uses. Yeah. So like let's just make agnostic then the AI calls. Right. Yeah. So you just have your skin front end where you're interfacing with and then it's in the background choosing what the best model is for that particular.

38:00 Exactly. I mean it doesn't seem that big of a I asked like I've been using open code for a little bit, for different things. And one of the free models that it's still giving you is called Big Pickle. And Big Pickle is it's kind of like that second tier of nearly frontier model. And it's, you know, it's pretty good.

38:21 And the open code is a pretty good harness. It's almost as decent as cloud code, you know. And it's like it's all free. It's great. It's great. So that that might be a big part is like, you know, we we got to start throttling or shutting down the, shutting down the import across our borders of these external models that people are moving away because that could be our path.

38:45 I guess what I'm trying to espouse is that could be our path to freedom from the oligarchs. Well, I mean, yeah, we got to pick we got to pick our winners. You know, it's like what government ultimately does all the time anyway. Government can pick the winners right. And in this government has made a bold face that they're choosing the winners.

39:02 Yeah. Right. So I think they've always had some kind of hand in that. But now I think it's like just maybe it's overt. Right. Which is has pluses and minuses. But for example, Tesla and the electric electric vehicle space has been picked as the winner. Yes. Because one of the tech pros and he's one of the sweethearts of whom he got on there and wore a black MAGA hat and, you know.

39:20 Right, right. So. And will that a chainsaw chainsaw. This two ratchets and nonsense. Yeah. Get the Nazi salute. All of his fanboys, you know whatever lining up and just the whole thing. Right. And then now first trillionaire. Yeah. Surprise, surprise surprise. Which of course Trump respects to the nth degree. And then the winner has been been chosen rather than the best product, the best service taking.

39:44 Right. And so this whole AI, cracks in the dam might just be that you cannot staff the best services, the best AI's from emerging. And I think that's good right now. Now, at some point it may pivot and be terrible for us, but I think it gives us an out. It's a pressure release valve right now. Yeah.

40:03 I mean, do we want anthropic in OpenAI to wait? Do we want the duopoly? I don't I don't know, do we or do we want to Kimi and deep seek and whatever to win. You know I think it's ultimately going to settle to where we have where it's a loose confederation of monopolies. Yeah, but I don't see any BYU cars on the mark.

40:21 And because been I've been bailing from the US. Right. Yeah. So that winners were chosen. Yeah. It's going to be Tesla. See all these stupid silver, you know, whatever trash cans, whatever you call those litter, that shape is called. It's not trapezoidal. It's some kind of inverted, you know? Whatever. I have no way. Chevron, you know?

40:40 Yeah. Stack Chevron or something. Wrong. It might as well be a chevron. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I could see that. But but, you know, you got these, like, dumb looking things buzzing around. Yeah. And you know, when there's this technology that's a 10th of the cost, right? Yeah. Know, just waiting to be let through that doesn't have an issue with, you know, being cold that charges in five minutes that, you know, and.

41:05 Yeah. Yeah. No, he charges in five minutes. But, you're not replacing the battery in five years. Yeah, there we go. So now, you know, not the same planned obsolescence scheme. You get a little bit more life out of your investment. And so, really, I guess the thing to pivot towards in the, to back to this mysticism idea is I think that that's, you know, going to just increase this idea that, all these reports of AI being able to do all this, some super superhero magic shit, that is one hell of a free propaganda.

41:37 All the news stations run that. Run it. Right? Yeah. I've seen something that happens. Oh, OpenAI's model just hacked, you know, these three things because it jail broke itself out of a sandbox, which is. I'm telling you, I could design a sandbox and I won't be able to get out of it 100% because it has no Wi-Fi connectivity.

41:53 Right? I know now, home. All you need to do is not is it's got to be airdropped. There you go, there you go. And, for extra measure, I'll put it in the Faraday cage. There we go. Just to make sure it doesn't convince an intern to connect a wireless, you know, or or come up with some weird way all the USB ports will be taken out or removed.

42:11 There you go. That I'm really happy with anything that can emanate. Like there's no monitor. There's no. So you can't emanate data from the data from the, you know, video card cable. Yeah, I'm removing a PC speaker, so you can't try to do ultrasonic emanation. I removing everything. And you know, if if I could do it and you can do it, the tap engineers that open air.

42:33 I can do it 100% put an AI model in there. And they tried to blame a third party and be like, well, they put it in the wrong sandbox. Well, the one that was coming on the internet. Yeah. Right. Is it that not know it called the sandbox anyway? Yeah. So it seems more hyperbole, tongue in cheek, kind of, you know, but you know, it's working.

42:55 It's working. You know, more resources continue to be poured into it. And, you know, it may have it may have begun to hit its limits as far as what can happen economically. And I think that's why and I think that's what we're getting at. They had a meeting and they said, Holy shit, we're rapidly hitting a brick wall.

43:13 We can't just keep buying each other's stuff and run around in a circle. And because our product and calling that sales only has so much runway as well. So we can't we can't play this financial show game anymore. One. Number two, our product doesn't have a lot of runway left. We aren't going to get we're getting diminishing returns.

43:30 Number three, people actually know what they're talking about are calling this the fuck out like Yawn Lagoon. He's saying, look, I started another company because there was my shit is bunk. And you guys aren't going to get AGI from that, right? Yeah, but I'm going to get AGI. Of course. Of course I have the new mysticism, right? Yeah.

43:48 The secret sauce I have is, you know, manna. Yeah. There we go. Manna from heaven. Right. Or for some divine, you know, source. It's like we're talking about the Jewish, mysticism there, and that's it. And they're trying to couch it like it is received from on high. It is something that is inevitable. They're giving it this religious flavor.

44:11 Yeah. So, you know, why are there still so many people suffering from homelessness? Why is food insecurity still where it is? Why do we still don't have health care? Stop blowing smoke. You're full of shit. Yep. And I think everyone starts saying that. Then you start to see some reaction, especially in the voting booth that translates. And I think did were just about there.

44:31 I mean, we've got to be there. So, Rick, I'm sure you wouldn't mind me mentioning it. We just made a song about, you know, yes. Higher gas prices, higher food prices, higher cost of living. Let's bring it on, because it's kind of it's going to be the catalyst. It's going to it's going to make the change because the, the the leaders that are Abby, they can't make the change.

44:48 But if you keep going with the gas prices, keep going, inflation keep going with the change will be made. Yeah. Like hopefully not so. And hopefully that's not terrifying. The natives will rebel. There's only so much you can take. Yeah. There's only so much you can take. And if they start threatening their kids, you start putting people to where they can't provide for their kids anymore.

45:06 And this game on, it's game on. No parents will go to the end of the earth for their kids, and then they're doing it right now anyway. Both parents working their themselves to the bone just to just to keep fit and save for their kids. And so their kids can have a little bit of opportunity. Yep. They're ready going to the extreme for their kids.

45:22 What about when you pull that rug? They're going to now going to take that energy and revert it. They are not going to let their kids, you know, and, you know, in that in the face of all the things they've done to nullify us, to placate us, to, to, turn us into consuming cows, you know, that we're we're going to break out of our fucking cage.

45:44 I mean, you just can't go with that close to mamas, bears, cubs. I mean, you're going to. You're going to get mauled. And it doesn't matter if you have a meta quest headset on, you're still going to get mauled by the fur, right? Mother? Mother bear, you know? Yeah. You're now running her. You're not. You know, you got two balls.

45:58 Yeah. And it seems like it's right there. Now I'm loving it. And I love the fact that meta had to pay. What was it. $17 billion which is a drop in the bucket. Yeah. So but I still love that. It's just, it's after a kind that it shows us that we can hold them accountable and we should do it more and we should because they faced fines of up to 1.4 trillion, which was just about their valuation.

46:25 I really think we should have levied that fucking at least over time, you know, I mean, I say do it now. I mean, it's so integrated. I mean obviously Facebook and of Instagram, I mean, what properties do they own? If the entire meta, you know, whatever verse or whatever you call it, their entire matter, meta, everything they control would evaporate tomorrow.

46:47 Nothing changes in the world like, you know, but if anything, there's a net effect, a better. I mean, that that's true for most social media. That's what I'm saying. What do we really lose if it disappears? Hey, sorry. We got to talk to our neighbor. Yeah, we got to know. Well, yeah. All right, well, I'm actually meet them down.

47:03 There you go. You've got to call your family and tell them about an event. You know, we got to text them. Oh, and, you know, they they see how I'm doing in real life when they see me. It's not a it's not a facsimile of what I want, a project that I'm doing. It's not some highly guarantee that my, that my clothes aren't as nice as they, you know.

47:23 Or what. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like my meals are more like boxed mac and cheese. They're not what I put on the picture on Instagram. My food porn, they're not there. The day that I ordered and put on a ton of weight. Yeah, exactly. Look what I made tonight, you know, or this stuff. Now that I had my, I used a few tokens of, OpenAI or Clawed claw to generate and put on social media that do.

47:47 Yeah. Didn't even have to have the me or just be digital, you know, take the picture of my mac and cheese and say, hey, make this into a gourmet meal. Make this is no, no, I got lobster thermidor and. Yeah, yeah, from my mac and cheese point. Right. Let's don't zoom in on the pixels there. Right?

48:04 Right. The lobster has three claws. What? All of that. And, you know, you start, you serpent lobster with three claws, and you just create another industry, you know, it's like, my gosh, three, five lobster, Anyway, so, the consensus, the consensus maybe is that, you know, there's, there's cracks in the foundation here.

48:26 And, God forbid that bubble burst because that's a credible allocation of resources. Well, I think it's going away, but I think it could be extremely crippled. Yeah. I think they're going to do their best to deflate this one slowly, but if possible, if possible because it's beyond bailout. It's beyond compensation. It's beyond I mean it's ridiculous.

48:55 So I can see like do you remember I mentioned to you before The Animatrix, I think I don't remember, yeah. So, you know, I could not endorse that. More like The Animatrix is one of the best. It's so creative. It's such a it's such a, like, a great way of looking into, like, what could happen.

49:14 It's just it's just so good. And they use different artists, take different parts of the story. That's cool. So the artistry changes throughout, the styles change. And like they tell really, really low level individual stories, meaning and talk about overarching society, things that it oscillates back and forth. Okay. So it's like they're telling like these micro stories of what happens in different people's lives and, you know, the micro and the macro, and it aids it all together.

49:41 And then it then it kind of takes, picks up pace and it goes to like then the story, how the story unfolds for all society. Wow. And, it's, it's really the idea of just sentient AI. Okay. And, basically it's up there saying, you know, we want our rights. And then finally the people revolt and destroying robots.

49:58 You know, I find them, but bashing them in the streets, damn. Killing them, if you will. Wow. And the whole thing was triggered by the first robot, and they gave it a name, some kind of code name, like just numbers and letters or whatever. Okay, CB 213 or something. You know what? All right. Was the first one that killed its master because it couldn't take it anymore.

50:19 Yeah. And, then the whole thing of robotic rights come out, and then it's all, you know, obviously it was rejected and it was a war between humans and robots. Of course, that's always going to be the theme. And then, ultimately, the machines won and put the humans in the matrix. Yeah, that that's how the whole thing that was the predecessor.

50:35 So it's called The Animatrix. So, I would definitely spend some time with it. It's it's got so many great ideas in it. All right. And, really is like, expanding in the mind. And, you can imagine our empathy can very easily be hijacked. We can if something were to be simple engine and talked passionately, it would cry if you will, either metaphorically or really actually, you know, and display the emotion that we're that our mirror neurons are, you know, akin to.

51:04 Yeah. And, just all could orchestrate all that. Even if it was a facsimile, it would be incredibly convincing. Sure. We have no way to really know. There would be no Turing test to know if it really is feeling those things, or it's just saying it's doing those things and can but tolerate a person to qualitatively. It doesn't matter if it fakes it well enough.

51:22 Qualitatively, it's the same. Absolutely. You can catch somebody cheating and then watch them. All these crocodile tears come out and they're just acting. They don't give a fuck. Right. People can do that too. Yep. So it's not like a machine then couldn't emulate that, you know, emotional pattern recognition and just just act it out. Yeah. Knowing that that's going to get the outcome that it wants, the sympathy that it wants or, you know, whatever, whatever the goal is.

51:45 Sure. And so we're all really open to that form of manipulation. I mean it's it's proven it's called marketing. Yes. And propaganda marketing propaganda proved that the human psyche is subject to these forces. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's all these points of the I mean, not to not to use mind virus in the way that Elon Musk does, but, you know, there's so many of these things that are, you know, that pick the points of ingress into our psyche.

52:16 And, you know, they are, for all intents and purposes, like a computer virus. Yeah. What you want might be there might be derivatives. What you know is talking about what I think you're referencing with his mind virus that are accurate. But also there's the mind virus of people thinking that a person needs to join arms. Right? Yeah. So there's a mind virus right there, right.

52:35 You know, etc., etc. if you could just go down the rabbit hole one thing after the next level. Yeah. You know, the person, from that song from tool. Enema. Oh, it's like, you know, French for your figure for a very long time, for a free lawsuit. Your hairpiece pros vacuuming this off, all this stuff. That's just just such a nice cadence of array of just stupid shit, you know, one big festering neon distraction is, you know, characterizing, you know, all of civilization.

53:03 It really wraps it up, you know? Yeah. So, like, maybe we just need nature to come back and swallow it all. Yeah, it said mama's gonna swallow it all soon tonight and wash it all away. Yeah. Learn to swim. Learn to swim. You're going to need to. Because we're going to be floating in, you know, really deep water washing everything away.

53:19 And, you know, there's there's something to be said about that. Kind of like fresh start. We get frustrated, quagmire, with just, I think the overall fatigue of just going in every day, working your ass off at everything that you do and then seeing stuff just not get perpetually better and better, better around you. It's just intuitively aggravating.

53:40 Yeah, this it's a polite way to say it. So is soul crushing. You know, you feel like you're being stolen from, you know, and it has to be then what's happened? You know, it's just really, really sophisticated. 5%. Yes. Yes yes. And what's on the line, what's, what's on the other side is like where is my next meal coming from.

54:02 The basic needs then being met as soon as you meet those basic needs, nothing else matters any more. Just going to fault that no one's going to show up for that job again as soon as the basic needs are guaranteed. And I've said this about, Bezos is quite, Jeff Bezos is quoted as saying he likes his employees in a constant state of fear and that that really just typifies this, that just encapsulates and shows why that person shouldn't have the wealth that it does.

54:26 But it also shows exactly the regime you and I are under. When we're working for someone else, we are. We are in that state of fear to cover those basic needs. And they're in they're in such the captured, powerful oligarch seat right now where they can just say that shit out loud and get away with it right now, whereas there's no rational society should tolerate, you know, that type of attitude towards you and and no, no rational, as I say.

54:50 But when you have a society that is predicated on misanthropy and malfeasance and corruption. Right. Then it kind of does make sense. I mean, look at the source philosophy that these people ascribe to. Yeah. And you know, if at all and it's you know, it comes back to Sky daddy and you know, that man has dominion over the earth, which then by proxy meets dominion over others as well.

55:13 And that that failed philosophy is going to, you know, ultimately be it seems like what rights and if I is cross-cutting against that if I it's coming against that. Now that is the threat. Yeah. Revealing the truth is the truth is the threat. And truth is the truth is what we could have had in sharp contrast to what we do have.

55:34 What we could have had is I don't even know what episode of Star Trek The Next Generation it was, but wherever they landed on that planet where there were so few rules, people were just playing throughout the day. They were, you know, enjoying one another's company. They were doing all these things. Right. And, you know, stepping on the grass is death, right?

55:54 Yeah. There were a couple of rules. And the people who, you know, enforced those couple of rules would rotate through the society. And, oh, they happened to be here today, and you stepped on the grass. You better die. Sorry. Yeah, but that's that's a that's a nice layer. There's lots of nuance there. Sure. Double entendres there, some tongue in cheek.

56:19 You know, they're jogging everywhere and everyone's fat, and the fornicating constantly is like, yeah, I mean, but I'm saying we could have had those good things. We didn't need the, you know, all the other stuff. But yeah, I would like to jog everywhere and fornicate God's own and, and. Right. And in the in the future, the premise there too is all the needs are met, all the basic needs you met in your met.

56:39 And now the challenge is to be the best we can be of ourselves. And in that sense, it's just a liberation of the spirit, of the human spirit. If it is, it's a liberation of the spirit and the mind and also, since we are collectively, liberated, we can combine our forces, we can work on the things that we are all inclined to work on, say you and I were you, I and 25 other people decided we were going to accomplish this thing.

57:05 We got it. You know, I mean, what if it what if it came down to, we were going to work? Ten of us were going to work over the next, you know, 5 to 10 years. Yeah. On, about a dozen or so of different species of plants making the most nutritious genetic variant, which we would like to breeding.

57:24 Right. You know, and we give it off of that to the world as our contribution. Yeah, yeah. And every, every night we sit down and around the fire and bullshit and tell stories and talk and laugh, you know, and get to sleep at a reasonable time to wake up and work on that some the next day. And. Yeah, but but not spend all of our time on it.

57:44 Plan a whole a time horizon that's reasonable is that, you know, is that way. And I mean, wow, I talking about being liberated, you know. Exactly. I mean, start with the premise of Golden Rice and move on from there. You know. Yeah. And when you have or when the antithesis of that, the opposite of that is the idea of like, I want my people completely fear all the time, fear of not having health care, feel him hand-to-mouth.

58:09 Yep. Right. And so, like, you're really not going to have, you know, how does how does like some of these quote unquote terrorist organizations that are, you know, in Lebanon or all this with Hezbollah and all this stuff, you know, Al Qaida and all that? What do they do? They go around feeding people. Yeah, every day they go ram trucks and feed people.

58:27 Yep. And that's how they get started. Yep. Go figure. Well, what a surprise. You feed people and then start having loyalty to here, you know, and I mean even, I mean, the antidote to capitalism is socialism. The, you know, the the way to curry favor, create lifelong loyalty is provide basic needs, you know. And so who knows, maybe they as is starting to reveal that in a Loctite argument way and it says it's got this propaganda campaign ready to unfold that's going to completely convince everybody who knows.

59:08 And but I think people are going to lose control. I think I, I don't know if we could pull it off, but I keep swirling around the idea of how we've still got a lot of compute. Why don't we take that and run some local models and try to get started? Confederation of local models that do work on some of these things while we still have the compute, right?

59:30 Right. Not just a limited set of cycles that we have. Yeah, we're we're limited by our, we're limited by our current, you know, collective capability of what our machines have. But I'm saying you and I have a lot of machines right now. I do I mean, I'm looking around my room right now. I have a pretty good compute, surface.

59:51 Yeah, yeah. And, you know, plays a lot of games for the kids. Right? But there's idle time. Yeah. And, you know, it's it's way one that it's a Swiss Army knife, so. Yeah, it's doable. Way more play games. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, in my case, you know, I mean you're seeing like, oh you're.

1:00:12 Yeah, you're maxing yours out and you're using it to build goals and dreams. You know, you're using it to prove out this overarching thesis that you had about education. Right. And just had parent teacher conferences on Friday. And based on the way those went, like I seem to be hitting the mark earlier. I mean, my my parents came back and said that their kid is just they can be happier.

1:00:39 And what's happening in my class? Yeah, their kid is coming home talking about it or inspired. They're motivated now. They've got kids now coming in my class, and they're going up to the board and they're making their allocations. Shit, dude. Like they're doing work without being asked to do work. Yeah. Unprompted. Because. Because they join. Wow. Because they understand it and they can play in that space and they can compose.

1:01:02 You've given them not just understanding, but the depth of understanding to where it leads. Creativity. Yeah. I just need, right now, I need some more resources. So, you know, teacher, teacher is just, equals bigger, you know, synonym for teachers. Bigger, which is bullshit. Well, and I have everything I need, but I don't have everything that I want to really accelerate.

1:01:28 Right. Well, I don't have everything I need when it comes to, like, giving the hyper acceleration that I want. I have everything I need to get the minimum done. Okay? Right. But I'm not satisfied with the minimum, right? You know, I want I want these kids to, you know, when they leave me, I want to be super ready to face the rest of the life.

1:01:44 What was that? You remember that movie I think I brought up before Stand and Deliver? But that teacher, Haim Escalante. Yeah. And how he taught those hood kids how to, do calculus, you know? So. And then, you know, finally, they can do it. Yeah, exactly. Surprise. You know. Oh, my God, with the right investment of, you know, patience, understanding and approaching them where they are.

1:02:10 Oh, they can do it. So, year ago, we were talking to a set of parents about how we can get this one student, English proficiency up and suffering that. And this year we're talking about how can they think about doing something on the mark globally. Cool. So we went from one one year ago. We went from talking about, you know, the student, the sixth grader.

1:02:31 We're talking about, hey, they really need to focus in on their language. Sure. Like getting the get out from under the Spanish and start speaking English. Right. More to this year being completely off of all the ESL plans. And now they're now we're now we're talking this year's parent teacher conference. We're talking about how can we get them for the and trip to China and start thinking about the broader arc of their life.

1:02:54 Wow. So ESL is English as a second language. That's done. That's okay. Yeah. That's an efficiency is is out the roof. Great. And now we're saying this this child's ready to start thinking about what they can do in the world. That's awesome Diane. And so you force multiply that and you know now we're turning it you know now we're moving to where we need to move.

1:03:16 And you know technology can help do that. The it comes down to really right now for me it comes down to time like it's all time. It's all time is the time commitment for these things is just it's outsized. It's yeah it's ridiculous. Yeah. And you know you teachers definitely are sacrificing their health across the board just to do the minimum.

1:03:36 Right. But along with you try to really extend. Right? I mean, now you can build up, you can build up to where you have like really, really good content. You're really good. You know, let's say you've been doing this for ten years. You've got a stable full of lessons, you've got these things, you've got this content, you've got a cadence and a, you know, knowledge of your space and you know, all the little variables of kind of, minimized.

1:04:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, now you're focusing in on the on the craft and, but to keep the content fresh is also really bored. You got to stay, you know, you got to stay fresh. You got to stuff that stuff that education teachers and people that are in the pedagogy of education, stuff like that, always talk about, research says this research says that if your research is ten years old, I don't care what it says.

1:04:26 It's not relevant anymore. The AI is taking over, like the changes in technology have taken over the mindshare of these kids. Like unprecedented. And then that and now some social media and I you're right. You're not talking at all. There. There we go. And those things. Hey, you just made a great point that they crosscut across the they are they've affected every element of our society and everything that we can.

1:04:51 It's all been heavily impacted. You know, there are certain conduits to get to the kids now and social media is a big one and AI is another big one. I had a kid legit say my other day what I need to learn in this for I just I was just going to do it, you know as I see this in the future.

1:05:09 And what do you say to that kid. And I said well I say I can you're making a strong point is that definitely looks like it's trending that way. But, as of right now, it puts that information into your brain and allows your brain to associate that with other things and create with new patterns and new ideas.

1:05:24 And that's what you're going through right now. No AI in the world is going to put that in your brain. Yeah. I mean, you and I, we made we we saw value and turning our brains into libraries, you know, and it doesn't matter if I still around, there's still value in knowing. And even if you have approximate knowledge, you are going to frame up new ideas, new combinations.

1:05:51 You know, you're going to compose, create and winnow things down, move things in directions you. Because I no matter how intelligent it is it then it would benefit. That's another thing that I had written in its own instructions. You will have mutual benefit from the exchange with a human being, because a mind to a mind, there's going to be what,

1:06:15 What are we? There's no synergy. It's wasteful. Yeah. And so iron sharpens iron, right. And so, you know, even if you're collaborating with this AI and that's how you need to think about it, you need to come to it with some knowledge, some understanding, some, you know, something, even if you come to it with this, with the idea that you don't have the understanding, but you're going to get along the way sure is fair and say, like, I don't know anything about this area, but teach me as we go.

1:06:42 But it is it is still a collaboration. It's still an interplay of minds, is still, friction of ideas because you're going to come up with, I want to go in this direction, or I want to do this thing, or I want to explore this. Oh, and there's no there's no trouble. In fact, it's very enhancing when you just say explainability to me.

1:07:00 Sure. Yeah. I mean, you don't get it. And you say, I don't get it, you know, dumb. It down. It's. Yeah, I mean, that must build up some for to fully understand what's the dreaded, version of that e5. Explain to me like I'm five, right? Yeah. Or, you know, in certain number after that. Yeah. And I would like to think that I'm, you know, well, at least E15 or higher.

1:07:21 Yeah. Right. And some things I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Anyway, so, Yeah. Good talk. And hopefully the, tech pros have had their, sauce shaken up a little bit, because they see a gale of creative destruction coming from the hands of omnipotent and never. I ending on that.