0:00 That's all right. Well, you know, you have a black cat crossing your path, so everything's good. Oh, yeah. I mean, I.

0:10 I don't know, I'm crippled by enough anxiety. I'm not going to get into superstition. Right. Oh my goodness. Right. Magic. We did. Yeah. So I was thinking the other day about I do you remember me telling you how I stopped watching Game of Thrones? Yeah. After the Red wedding nonsense like that, which was needlessly violent. Yeah, like like somewhere around there, you know, like.

0:33 No, I, I think I watched a few more episodes, but anyway, I just came to the conclusion that, you know, it's just really not necessary for me to just be exposed to this, like, hyper violence. Right? And then they're kind of like, got me thinking that, you know, hey, kind of realistically, you know, through video games and movies and, you know, just evening news and everything else.

0:57 I'm like dining on a buffet of, like, pretty dramatic violence on a regular basis, you know, whether it be true. Yeah. Whether it be simulated, portrayed, reported of. Right. And then for any of our listeners.

1:16 The air quotes, if you know, if you could see, no we have listeners just.

1:24 That that have piece together right now is in the military. And I was like front line soldier for about a year and a rack and six months in Afghanistan, front line soldier with the 82nd airborne. I was a combat medic. And I, you know, you put all that together and, you know, you can imagine my mind has seen quite a few things.

1:44 And whether it be simulated violence, actual violence portrayed, right, or otherwise, you know, my brain has it has, has had one hell of a buffet of it. Right. And, fuck that. It sucks. Right. And not me, man. It's not who I am at all. It's like the end of the day. Turns out I'm a pretty goddamn nonviolent person.

2:09 Yeah. And sometimes that's the only way to explore what you really are in that arena is go to one extreme or the other. Right. And, it made me further consider that. What a craziness that we have. Like one of many in our society, you know, like fucking nipple pops out of the Super Bowl and my God, everyone's up in arms.

2:31 Yeah, because we're Puritans, you know, a nickel of all things. You know, it's like the, the, the micro organ of, you know, the delivery of life, you know? Right. You know, it's a sexual, secondary sexual characteristic. It's what it's called, right? It it's.

2:52 And come on now, boobs aren't that big of a deal. It's mammary glands. Lots of animals. Almost every animal has them. Yeah. Like the idea that that's even, like, dirty in some kind of way is, like, is fucked up, right? Yeah. I mean, we have a term for it. Nips, lip nips. There you go. Wardrobe malfunction. I remember it was a right turn thrown around at the time, you know, and it's nothing like it's so nothing that it's like, you know, it's almost insanity to make an even an issue about it.

3:25 And it wasn't even that good looking a bit. I'm just saying I don't even remember. Right. Only reason I remember is I had a hot sauce. It had a picture of it. What? Yeah. Oh, my.

3:39 You have to tell somebody. You know, you gotta hear about this. Is it called nip slip or something?

3:48 It's called something like Big Mama. But the entire label was a close up of the nip flip. The. Yeah. No shit with the brain visible. Wow. Hey. Why not? It'd be even better if that's the part where the sauce dispensed. Yeah, but anyway, we digress. So, my gosh, you know, you have this, like, you know, nipple popping out or something, you know, and it's like, freaking end of the world and no one is.

4:19 I have heard no commentary whatsoever on the on the multitude. Like putting it all together on the total exposure of violence. Right, right. And I mean, you have these people that are like, you know, the kids playing the video games and. Right. And in isolation, we know that video game play, you know, really means nothing. Yeah. And but like you said, in aggregate, with all the other exposure to violence, does it reinforce it?

4:46 Oh, it has to. It gets in the brain. Right? Yeah. Gets into the imagination. Yeah. And what's in there is what you do ultimately. Yeah. There's this really bizarre thing because like, we have this natural social constraint for like, you know, everyone's not running around beating each other up. And, you know, everyone's not out there every day, like, you know, committing massive acts of violence all day, every day.

5:10 Right? Right. And when violence does rear his head, it's like, seems few and far between. Seems right. Yeah. It's just with this 24 hour news cycle, with the global news cycle, we we have a the surface area that is exposed. I mean. Of what happens. It's so much greater than it used to be. Yeah. And then they kind of preponderance of the, the data flow into your brain.

5:37 And you know your brain my brain or all of our brains. Right. Collective brain. Collective brain from the cultural exposure we have throughout entertainment and through all these channels we're talking about is, is is massive, you know? Yeah. And if you put things in relative terms, like exposing en masse a society to hyper violence, you know, versus a nipple slip, it's not even it's not even like not even the same ballpark.

6:06 Well, just like all things, one is being just like all things, you're going to be certain elements of someone's personality or mental makeup that really.

6:19 Cause, causes to happen more. It causes to happen less. It's going to create the nice bell curve. And so maybe those people in the middle of the bell curve are the ones that are for, for this particular trait, the ones that are okay. But then you edge out a little bit more and you've got a scooter I don't know.

6:38 Yeah. The outliers are you know, it's typically, you know, white male, young white male disenfranchized until I mean somewhere, you know, somewhere in the range of, you know, whatever teenager to to 50, you know, white male tends to be like the the mass shooter or the big mass killer or whatever sewer killer. But you heard that a lot of them were the that involuntary celibate group in cells.

7:05 Well, yeah, I guess this conversation will inevitably end up conflating sex and violence to some extent. But no, I'm just saying in this instance, they themselves call out one supporting the other. Got it? Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And then, you know, just in my mind, in my just zooming out and thinking about the whole thing, the big picture, just seeing realizing that, my gosh, violence is really the enemy, right?

7:32 It's violence in all its forms, including, you know, I mean, where the for the whole thing swirls for the incels, and it's kind of bordering on all this almost rape fantasy. Yeah, sure. You know, which is a form of violence right there. Yeah. Taking from someone in Game of Thrones, they they went into sadistic, you know, derivatives of that, like the guy that they called the dog or whatever, you know, like they.

8:00 The sex and torture of him, you know, so they can play that a lot in the, in the show as well. True. The sex and the violence component. You know it's crazy man. It's like it's not healthy. Those ideas are just not healthy to be in the brain. I know from firsthand experience like I said yeah. And you're saying you've had to purge them or move them to the side, or work really hard by putting my mind.

8:24 Another direction to make it not think about that, not dwell on that. Force my mind to focus on something else for so long that it retrained itself. Yeah, my brain was kind of retrained. Yeah, it was my strategy. Nice. Yeah. And I mean it that wouldn't have been necessary had the had that exposure about taking place, you know.

8:43 Right. So you also might not have the research tools and attention span you have either. If you had not have developed that single minded focus. Yeah. Well who knows right. You know, you never know what path. But anyway, just just in my assessment, I've just, you know, it peaked when, when that kind of thing happened, when I was like, you know what this is?

9:06 This isn't this isn't good for me, you know? Yeah. To expose my my brain to this because, you know, the cinematography is great. The the character development great. You know, in Game of Thrones. Yeah. So much of it is really well done. And those elements come together pretty well. Yeah. And you know, then really the core you know, the Gordon as they call it.

9:26 Yeah. You know, that's like the there's a little bit of softcore porn too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they, they stitched all that together and made a really popular show. Yeah. Which I never even finished watching and don't even know what happened and don't care and don't care because they kind of lost me, you know, at that hyper violent stage like post red wedding, I think.

9:46 Anyway, not just Game of Thrones, but, you know, society in general. All these, like, fantasy versions of violence have been fantasized. So, like, even go into Marvel, even if you wanted to write or like the a lot of the sci fi, you know, involves space battles and, you know, different forms of violence we do down here, done in space instead.

10:09 Yeah. And more, you know, in larger fashion, larger scale, like Marvel, you know, Breaker of Worlds kind of stuff. Yeah, like the whole entire, you know, the snap killing half the life in the universe, you know, like, what the fuck? Like, that's that's pretty, pretty elaborate depiction of violence, even though everyone understands it completely fantasy. You know, then watching watching bodies disintegrate you know during the that's just, just that's just end game right.

10:39 Right. That's one movie and all of it has a deep, you know like a dark side of the force and Star Wars and you know, on and on and on and on. It's just various degrees of simulated violence. Yeah. And it's really interesting I mean I'm sure it's part of natural life. You watch every animal bestow violence upon another.

11:03 Life is on life. You know, I used to say this kind of tongue in cheek, but I was talking about, you know, WWE, f wrestling, WWE, whatever it is now. And, you say it has everything the male psyche craves simulated violence. T and a yeah. Right. And I mean, and and, you know, I like the phrase rope opera o instead of.

11:31 So I was going to say a heavy dose of drama. Yeah. Heavy dose. Drum rope opera. Yeah, absolutely. Squared circle and blah blah blah. And, you know, there's there's some things that you can question there to somebody that like, is pretty obsessed with watching really buff men oil the oil up, rubbing against each other. And simulated violence is pretty, pretty strange.

11:54 Yeah. It's like a gateway for some other things. You know, it either is a gateway or it's a tale like tell, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well, turns out little Cletus, he was guarding a $3 bill right there. So now we get into, like, the deep, deep idea here. Like the deep psychology of this. Right. So perhaps and I think I told you this before because it was really interesting to me.

12:23 I have a friend of mine that was like, really boisterous vegans, you know. And, you know, they refer to like, cows. Breeding of animals as rape and. Yeah, you know, like, all, all this like phraseology and terminology that really takes everything related to, animal farming and just just makes the language sound terrible.

12:51 Like, everything across the board. Right. Absolutely perverts it. Yeah. Perverse. It like trying trying to call it out. Every aspect of it. As as evil, as human beings being evil and also tying it in to everything bad about humanity. Right? Is through, right? And there's plenty of it through animal agriculture. And then, you know, you get down into the details and you're like, wow, it's really hard to to dispute any of this.

13:15 It's hard to justify like an anti vegan stance okay. Right. So like, you know we understand that that animals you know of animal flesh is key and heart disease and lots of other you know human disease. Right. And then if you watch any footage and have any compassion for living things, you watch any footage of like a slaughterhouse or the process of how animals are processed and it's fucking terrible.

13:43 Oh, it's actually it's gotten quote unquote more humane, but. Well, it's just so factory, factory farm now, like animals on top of each other and, you know, just yeah, you've seen the footage and it's fucking terrible. Anyone with any kind of empathy whatsoever would be like, that's shouldn't be like that, right? Right. Anyway, I was trying to come up with this counterargument to the whole idea, like the whole in his totality, and be like, why would a nation that eats meat, let's say, a very heavy meat eating nation, have some type of advantage over a non meeting, meat eating nation kind of kind of state?

14:22 Right. I think quite possibly at least nascent brain development, you know maybe. Yeah that's possible. How you doing? Yeah. That's possible. And, you know, you can you can make some arguments for like the condensed, the condensed, nutrients inside certain types of flesh. Right. Yeah. You can say there's, like a nutrient, that has a, has a really high nutrient density because there are a lot of proteins that our body needs, and it's convenient source of a lot of them.

14:53 Yeah. Laws like complete protein, which has all the ones that we need. But. Well, you run that by someone that's really well versed in veganism and they'll say that's ridiculous. You just you just, you know, put these amino acids together and you got all you need from there you go, there you go. And that plans are the original source of all proteins.

15:11 So cut out the middleman and just go get your protein directly from the plant. There you go. And site all these people that are extremely healthy, bodybuilders and everything else. Right. Who managed to be vegan or and then make arguments like the largest animals in the animal kingdoms or all vegans. The largest dinosaurs were vegetarians, were all vegans, all eight plants.

15:33 So so so it's proven nutritionally dance. And you can get what you need to grow strong. Yeah. And so with modern science, there's no reason to eat any animal protein whatsoever, because everything you get with the animal protein, as soon as you put it in your body, there's inflammation. And it's all the science now. So again, again, I'm trying to find out like, what the fuck kind of counter-argument can I make not to be a dick and just poo poo someone's argument, but like trying to train the my own mind, you know, like, what are the pros and cons here?

16:04 What are we actually doing with. And I came up with a with a really curveball idea. Okay. And that is that if you kind of go, go, go look at them, a more primal, version of humanity. Okay. You're like, not that I really don't like referencing the animal kingdom and conflating that overseas manatee, because I think beings are unique thing.

16:27 But that's not to say there's not a lot of parallels, right? Yeah. I mean, we all kind of came from the same primordial soup and in essence, the same process. So there's going to be some, some analogies, right? Yes. And when we look at what we know from archeology and anthropology, there was many, many types of large groups of humans that were completely eradicated by other large groups of humans or the vagaries of environment.

16:53 And Youmans. Yeah. Like, for example, you know, Neanderthals were pretty much wiped out by modern humans. Still crazy, you know, and, and, I've read the theory was that we were somehow more aggressive. That's what I'm getting at. You're you're sensing where I'm going with this, right? So if you have power consolidated in different groups, the group that is like peaceful and works together really well within that in-group works really strongly in concert with each other.

17:22 Okay. It's going to be better at making food, better at distributing resources, necessary resources. Right? The trappings and evolution of society, basically. Yes, yes, yes. And also if that, colony group or whatever gets invaded by another group, okay. If that group is completely passive, no matter how good they are at working together. Water. Yeah we do, no matter how good they were at working together.

17:50 Okay. No matter how good, how cohesive the were, how peaceful, etc.. Okay. They get wiped out, their DNA doesn't go forward. See what I'm saying? Right. So maybe, just maybe a a or a potential for being able to kind of turn on a ultra high level of violence is a preservation trait. And what better what better execution of that hyper violence in practice, if you will, is by slaughtering animals.

18:30 So this, this, this saying, we have an innate ability and we have to every now and then push that button. Yes. Because that allows a bit of reduced empathy or at least a potential for reduced empathy, which can then come to, allow us to override our natural instincts to not kill and to and to just be savage and go there, right, and wipe out that threat.

18:57 Practicing channeling our extra energies into that and using that to show or to, you know, in the corporate boardroom or to. Yeah, or wherever. Yeah. You know, in your, in your now more sophisticated channels. Right, of, of modern society. And so yeah, like have that killer instinct if you will. Right. Yep. Now whether you're an investor or you're this or that, you know, you got that aggression, right.

19:28 So United States, since it's been founded, has been a very warlike nation. We've been at war, you know, for a majority of our history, some type of war on conflict. We're definitely a warring nation. Yeah, yeah, we do not. So peace across our. No. And, you know, we have the largest military and we've shown time and time again that we're not afraid to use it.

19:51 We're the only country that has dropped nukes out of a civilian target, you know, and I can go on and on, you know, about this potential for violence from the United States is terrifying to the rest of the world. Yeah, there's no way, if you're a small to middling nation that you should be trying to provoke the United States.

20:12 Yeah. You don't punch the pound gorilla in the face. Yep. And expect good results. Yeah, yeah. So if you're dealing with that 800 pound gorilla and you're like, trading with it and you're, you know, like a kind of always recognizing the fact that it's 800 pound gorilla, right? The gorilla usually doesn't snap to violent mode and tear your limbs off.

20:34 Right. Usually not. Now it could just decide to. True. Right. But in general, most people can rely on if they don't fuck with the gorilla, you know? Yeah. And a lot of times the parameters of your relationship with 800 pound gorilla, as in the United States, get encoded and in treaties and relationships and trade. Right? Right. Integrated. Yeah.

20:56 So you kind of have some rules. They're going to more than likely follow by having all these supporting these supporting documents and such as that. Yeah. Right. It doesn't hurt to always bring the the bunch of grapes that the grill likes each time that you visited. Right. Yeah. Not a bad idea. Right. But, so another thing about this is that, the group, I think that if, if the logical record kind of shows that the group that's willing to, like, go there and say, you know what, you step on our turf and we're just going to go all out on you, right?

21:32 Right. Every man, woman and child is going to destroy you. Yeah. You know, goes to pass the DNA on. Yeah. Now there's like, this farm mentality that I. That I've been able to experience with some of my past, encounters with people that are like farmers, you know, like, I've done a lot of stuff like on the farm before, and what I've, what I've kind of come to realize is that.

21:56 Yeah, what I've kind of come to realize is that there's a certain mentality amongst, like, farmers, when it comes to, like, living things, it's a lot different than, like, the everyday civilian, you know, there's a certain amount of default respect there is. And then there's also like this. Oh, the barn cat died. Okay. Yeah, right. It's acknowledging reality to.

22:16 Right. Yeah. Or such and such animals are going for slaughter on Thursday and then, you know, they automatically, in their mind convert them to a means to increase the farm. Not thinking about. Well, you know, that's Bessie. Yeah. And they've always taken care of Betsy just fine and made sure Betsy had food and was properly, you know, medicated and cared for and all this kind of stuff.

22:37 It was a healthy specimen, you know. But then when it came time to go to slaughter, it was time to go to slaughter, because that's just what the you know, that's the economic and social reality of what they're doing. And there's a certain almost like edge when it comes to, to life, that farmers have because they're closer to it more often.

22:58 They're closer to the death more often than I think, like the farming community has a bit of a kind of like an edge or an insight into what I'm talking about here. Gotcha. You know, it's like the farmer can can kind of appreciate life, but at the same time be willing to take it for, for, for purposes. Right.

23:16 For, for, for, you know, the economic purposes of the farm and for the role of being a farmer that includes animal agriculture. Yeah. That's true. Animal husbandry. Animal, animal agriculture, I mean, it's.

23:32 And I think maybe.

23:36 Maybe that mentality, being close to both life and death and being intimately involved in both, helps balance you. Maybe it does. And maybe even the act of eating the meat. Okay. Especially if you engage in all, all the every level of it. Like so if you help slaughter the animal, right, and then you help take the hide off, you help skin the animal, right.

23:58 Then you help cut up the meat, then you help cook it when you're eating it, that eating of that meat has a different, kind of like experience or meaning or cultural value or like a spiritual value. I don't know best terms here. Well, then all of them. Yeah. Then it does. If you just get something wrapped in cellophane in the grocery store.

24:19 Right? Right. You have you can see the obvious sweat equity there. And you can say, you know, our family's physically mentally emotionally invested in this. Yeah. And you have to calm the animal before you slaughter it is you know, then later you're eating the meat. There's a different connection to that dinner than, you know, you just got some cube steak and you just opened up the cellophane and jumped into the frying pan, you know?

24:47 Exactly right. And so farmers and the people that are kind of close to it, I think, have a have a understanding for this kind of life and death kind of life feeds on life, understanding. And, do you have a way to emotionally disconnect from it, from the actual killing, if you will, of the animal? You have to develop.

25:07 Well, that's that's my question. Do is that a tool we have to develop and is it is it that it's required, such as, you know, like we've said, like we both agree being a farmer, you have to do something to that effect then. Yeah. I mean in different situations you build different tools. Fair enough. And so then as a society for societal preservation is one of those tools preserving the capability and willingness to to just go full on force if, if need be, if determined that you need to be.

25:40 Yeah. And that might just be 1000 examples that reinforce it or perpetuated or even, you know, even in a certain swath of the population, like shooting sports might be one that supports it. I don't know, maybe the gun culture in America, maybe the, you know, this, this, this kind of, blind patriotism, right? Maybe nationalism and patriotism, just running everything American exceptionalism to a fault, you know, kind of psychology, all these different things perhaps tie into this broader picture that we're going to survive, like we're going to America is going to go on whether the world likes it or not.

26:17 We shall persist. And if you don't like it, you can look down this huge gun barrel and you tell us that we're wrong right now. Tie that back into this, like, vegan argument. Perhaps eating meat keeps in the psychology that murderous kind of and willingness to do violence at least. But at least with what we've talked about, I'd like to point out that being involved farther up the chain of abstraction is definitely different.

26:48 There's pressures would have to be less.

26:52 Yeah. Or you can see it the other way around. You can see the pressures is even more intense because you're not involved in the other side of it. You don't have the compassion. You don't have the understanding. Yeah. Like like, almost a cremation of care idea from the Bohemian Grove. You know, that wacko thing that former presidents and celebrities.

27:13 Do you think that idea of, like, sacrificing the innocent on the altar simulated? But the idea is like care is an is a is an obstacle. Crazy, dude. Like compassion and care can just be Jimmy Carter. Yeah, well, I think compassion and care is like, what drives hope for the future is valid. But I can see in certain maybe roles how you would say I don't have room for it.

27:40 That's right. And like as a medic in the military, when someone comes up, comes in, you know, to your aid station, blown apart. Yeah. You know, and, you you can't empathize at that moment with what that person's going through to harden yourself to emotion and really embrace, I guess, logic, process and knowledge. Focusing on what you need to do to if, if to save this person's life, if possible.

28:09 Yeah, right. You need to find the bleeds. You need to make sure that your way, you know, etc.. Right? Yep. You need to not just the A, B, c as they call it in in in in trauma care, like in military terms it's called march not it's not the ABCs. You use a a different moniker called a yeah acronym called March which is massive bleeds.

28:31 Right. Airway okay. Respiration. All right. Circulation head injury. Make sense. So because that is a top down you know life threat. Yeah. Yeah. What's going to kill you first down the line. Right. So in a non hospital setting you know massive bleeds are going to get you because there's no blood. You know there's no way you're in the field.

28:53 Yeah. So you got to stop the massive bleed before you're worried about the person's breathing. Because if they lose all their blood the action has nowhere to go anyway. The point circulation is a little farther down the chain, right? So in a more clinical sense, where you have access to hospitals and blood banks and all that kind of stuff, ABCs makes more sense.

29:11 Yeah. You know, from a medic paramedic standpoint. Right. So like, you know, different, different, different formula, if you will, for different environments. Exactly. It's the theater with that you're working in. Yep. And so anyway, I got off on that little tangent. But the idea here is like when you're in that situation, you don't really have the empathy for that person at that moment.

29:33 Like you freaked out a little bit, you know, Holy shit. You know, that's like guy's guts, you know? But at the same time it's like, okay, how do I if possible, how do I play my role to save, save this person? Yeah. Yeah. Like and you and you focus in on the on the mechanics and the procedures of what you're doing in the micro.

29:51 Right to have success in the macro. Right. And so maybe as kind of a history of violence when it comes to warring nations, even what did we learn. Right. I mean, World War two is the biggest is the most potent, you know, example we have in the modern times. So you have the industrial might of America being turned into a massive weaponization of society.

30:20 You have most of society working trucks coming by and picking up the bacon grease, because that's being used to make oil for for lubricants for the war machine. Right. Like type thing. Nothing goes to waste, right? Yeah. Okay. Economic engine of a country gets transformed into, you know, production of military equipment and, you know, not quite the same degree, but, when, when the wall came down, all the economies that were related to war and were and all of that took a huge hit.

30:53 Absolutely. Eastern Europe was insanely cheap. A friend of mine I worked with was telling me just after the wall fell in, like 1990, he was in Poland and he happened to have him and his wife were there. She had to have a little bit of change from her last trip. $0.17, 17 American cents. And they were like, well, we can't go the money changer.

31:19 We're going to have to we're probably going to start for the night and get something, getting something in the morning. Well, she brought the $0.17 with her. It turns out all the beer they could drink and two pieces cost them $0.07. Let's go. All right. So, like, a good deal. And another situation.

31:45 One of his buddies who was also on the line was talked about a motorcycle trip he did in the very early 90s across Europe. And just how cheap some of it was, like, I don't remember what country had the or the new Velarde, but he was talking about in essence.

32:06 They got he was at the money changer. They saw they had $1 million, old bloody bill. So and so him and his buddy bought two of them. The idea was to keep one, spend one. Well, they go down into town and he sees, restaurants that has all these nice cars outside of it, brand new Mercedes, all kinds of stuff.

32:30 So that's where we're going. So they sit down, they end up having course after courses. Of course they do like five different courses and they're drinking the whole time. They said that he was saying they had some of the best beer. And so, you know, Jim's friend jumps up, he's like, I got it. He bust out his million dollar bill.

32:54 And they saw that the prices were in New Vlady. So it was just going to eat up their million dollar bloody note real quick. Sure. And, well, the girl that they had the money to. Do you have anything smaller? And he's like no unfortunately down. And so she leaves, said she's going to go to the bank. Well she comes back and just a little bit and says, look, I just popped by the bank.

33:27 It's going to take them a while to do this. Get your change. You guys just wants a beer and to hang out, and they're like, yeah, yeah, free beer. Hell. And then they come back like 30 minutes later with this card, and it's full of all these stuffed paper bags. Just cash upon cash upon cash. And turns out the prices were an old lady.

33:56 And the meal ended up costing them, like four and a half cents. Good lord. And so they got back over $900,000 that they had to spend. Oh my goodness, in the area they were in, it turns out was using the old currency primarily. So it sounds like Brewster's Millions or something, right? Yeah. So it took them. They spent all week like they would see people in the street and just buy them gifts.

34:22 They would, they would just buy beer for everybody in the bar. Everything they could to spend that million dollar note. Wow. And they couldn't spend it all. Wow. They even had to leave one paper bag behind because they couldn't step into all their saddle bags in their pockets, take the cab on the way to the airport and just start throwing it out the window, you know?

34:43 Good lord. Yeah. I mean, think about that. If you just had a stream of cash, like just cash, cash, cash, cash, you know, like you open up a find to find a, a hollow, wall in your in your place. Right. And in there is like 12 mil, you know, cash can't bring it to the bank.

35:03 Nope. The bank's going to ask questions. You got to wash it. You got to spend it however slowly. Yeah. You might not want to let anybody know. Right. Yeah. You know, all the things that would come with that would be fun to fantasize about, right? Right. I mean, that would be an interesting problem to have. I think.

35:22 I'd love to try it. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I'm up for the challenge, you know? Definitely up for the challenge. Anyway. So, back to this violence concept, right? Is that perhaps when you look at kind of the history and anthropology and you put it all together, you say, damn, I'm sure I'm glad I'm in the country with the biggest gun.

35:41 Yeah, I'm glad I'm in the country that's willing to go to go to war and commit violence to protect itself in its way of life. Yeah, to make sure that it stays, you know, that it doesn't get eradicated. It doesn't get wiped out, that we aren't a smoking crater like we make other countries. Yes. And, you know, genocide is real.

36:03 And you see what happens, you know, to a population that's unable to defend itself, like, yeah, the Uighurs and these other vulnerable populations, like, you take the Jews and, you know, Europe during World War two or Tibetan. There you go. And list goes on and on. Right. And we start to put it in those kind of contexts and focus on those examples.

36:23 You're like, damn. Yes. Every dime that we spend on military is justified, right? And yes, we should eat some meat because maybe it does give us a base level aggression that we need to get through the freaking day, right? The the normalization of that violence when it comes to your empathetic response to us going to war is then subdued, you see.

36:49 And so there might be a role being played by all these versions of simulated violence, normalizing it so that when it's actually then bestowed on behalf of our nation onto another nation. Yeah. It's, less empathy. You're less likely to have your empathy and compassion kicking. I feel like when you're likely to feel sorry for the other washed in this or rubbed rubbed with it almost like it's a foul.

37:17 Yeah. So, you know, we're we're numbing ourselves. We're, you know, we're with the repeated application of it, absolutely. No doubt about it. And part of the military training is to always dehumanize the enemy. Right. So like you have to dehumanize the enemy to get the soldier to fire the weapons, you know, and, and, you know, back in Vietnam era, they would they would in basic training before they ran up and stabbed the sandbag with the bayonet that yell out gook.

37:44 Yeah. Whatever the derogatory term was for whatever conflict you know. Yeah. It it varied. It was an effective tactic no matter who you were going against for probably several wars. Right. And you know, in, in World War two the Japanese were nips or kites or whatever they called them. Right. And then in Vietnam era, they were they were Charlie's or or, you know, they, they, they they weren't North Vietnamese.

38:10 No. Yeah. They were Viet Cong, Charlie's or Goose. You know, in the war I was in, it was sand nigger or or Jimmy was another term. Okay. Or, Hodges. Hodges was another term. Like Haji. Like from from Jonny Quest. Right. You know, it was insert derogatory term here. Right. In a in a in a natural way to dehumanize.

38:36 Yeah. So that combined with the, the society that saturated with violence combined with your training and you're ready to go, you're ready to get ready to lay down fire would be possible to figure out which one is eating the other, but it's feedback loop between the two things you mentioned feedback loop, for sure. And so perhaps now this is by really reaching theory.

39:01 Then, talking to this vegan person that I really, really mentioned. As I said, maybe the fact that you're here to advocate for veganism is because somebody else is out there eating meat and kicking ass. Yeah, there we go on your behalf. And so somebody else is dealing the violence. You don't have to. Just like the abstraction of the agricultural industry, the the the animal agriculture.

39:28 Right. Is the whole thing gets abstract and you now get asked what what protein you want with your burrito, not what meat do you want? Yeah. What protein as a reference to, you know, chicken, steak, shrimp or tofu. Yeah. And transforming the idea of, like a medallion of me as a lump of protein. You know, is a further using language to, to obscure that.

39:57 Right. Food science. Yeah. We can. And by the way I'm going to be clear here, I 100% believe veganism is the right answer. Yeah. For all of humanity. And in making this argument with this person, I was doing it just to try to think of the counterarguments counter like abstract counterargument. Well, one of the redneck counterarguments is the nutrients thing saying no, but that's bunk, right?

40:23 Like, you can just go online and find out that that's that's what I'm saying. One of the redneck arguments. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Which when you when you really do the deep dive, I mean, the science is clear and you know me, I if someone shows me science, that's. Yeah. Shows me science and information that that is superior.

40:41 Yeah. So my friend is contrary, even if I really enjoy me. Right, right. And I do, but I'm. I'm going to do chicken and I'm even going to then agree that that I was culturally attenuated to it, which is most likely why I quote unquote like it. Right. Because people that aren't culturally attenuated to it tend to not like it that much.

41:00 You know, like what? Buddies who's Indian, he, largely vegetables and, you know, they they eat me. They'll get sick, you know? Yeah. Because your body isn't producing the enzyme to process it. And supposedly based on our digestive tracks, we're not carnivores at all. We're we're or fungible. Okay, so vegetable and and. No, no, no. A fruit and vegetable, primarily.

41:31 Fruit, actually. Interesting. Yeah. So supposedly that's our, how our actual gut is attenuated, like our anatomy. All right. In comparison to other creatures in the animal kingdom. Okay, so the we're not there. Whole systems look different there. Oh, he I tracked is just totally has all these different features. Exactly. But we don't have exactly, exactly. And so, like, the truth is, if you will, is that, you know, human beings are best off with, with seeds and fruits and nuts and vegetables and other way easier to to grow, a lot less resources per person.

42:12 And when, when when cultivated properly, the nutrient density is incredible. Like so like, you know, seeds and nuts and stuff like that. The nutrient density and nuts is just crazy like it is. It's almost like perfect food. Yeah. Like when they feed people and starving during famines and they try to come up with like, you know, these kids are suffering from electrician.

42:35 How can we hit this in one shot? What do they do. Give them makes not. Well yeah. Sort of yes. The classic approach was like powdered milk right. But this a lot of times in these population areas there's there's some there's some like water shortages, contaminated water. Anyway right now there's like a boiling of the water requirement. And you know, turns out at the end of the day it's not necessarily the right answer.

43:00 Yeah, right. Drink makes us no good. Yeah. And so, he's really good morning day. Of course he cold and stuff. So at the end of the day, what what turns out to be really supreme and best is like, peanuts, emulsified into a certain packet, you know? Okay, so kind of like a peanut butter without a nutrient.

43:23 Yeah. Fortified peanut butter. With some modern, you know, things blended into multipliers and, like, something like potassium sorbet. Huge, huge shelf life. And when the, when these malnourished kids eat it, it's like they're good for like a week, you know, it's it's like incredible super. It's like a superfood right. For for nourishment. And what does that go to show you guys to show you that.

43:48 It's more evidence of what I'm talking about, that as long as you provide the nutrients your body, it's you know, you don't have to get it from don't have to get anything on me at all. Yeah. Right. At the end of the day, the science is, I think, crystal clear on it. I'm just stubborn because I'm culturally attenuated to me.

44:06 And so I'm trying to find an intellectual stretch to grab on to justification for continuing me, but it can't. So like, I got to stretch and say, oh, well, it's like contributing to this large violence. Yeah, yeah, there's this stuff called fool that, you know, they have iteratively developed. It's called it's short for Human Fuel. And pretty much they're like, hey, we've got a formula that will meet the nutrition needs of 96% of people out there.

44:33 It's crazy. Yeah, crazy. And Biden is powder and, you know, shake it up and boom, drink that three times a day. You get everything you need. It's kind of like someday turn to the sci fi thing. He takes this little pill and, you know, just add a drop of water. It's like a three course meal. Yeah, yeah. Perfectly nutritious.

44:52 Yeah. Right. Balance or the the, The replicator. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And, like, somehow the Earl gray is actually nutritious. Yeah. It's like the thing only dispenses, you know, all these 4 to 5 foods. It's great. Yeah. And so, you know, at the end of the day, I think that violence can, can actually be a strong case can be made that we need to attenuate away from it to have success.

45:27 As we have heard me say this a million times, as technology potency expands, the continued weaponization is going to be one of our worst nightmares. Right? Right. And so maybe it's time culturally, start to really take a hard look at violence in all of its forms and say, yes, maybe it's time the whole world transitions to a nonviolent protocol, right?

45:53 And right now, the only way to enforce that would be through the barrel of a gun. Right. Which is so funny. Right. If you ever seen that show. Peacemaker. No, but I can see where this is going. Ultimately, he would deal with these comically large and insane massive amounts of violence in the name of peace. Yeah, like Dexter going serial killer killing serial killers.

46:15 Yeah, yeah. So cancer that only kills cancer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, beyond a joke, right? Yeah. And or a collection of bacteriophages that, you know, will get this particularly drug resistant bacteria or whatever. A nanobot that that kills viruses, right. Yeah. But then in order to kill the viruses, it has to it has to propagate. Wait a minute.

46:47 Yeah. Yep. Next thing you know, Gray Goose. Yeah. Or some derivative. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Crazy crazy crazy. So I really, like, say, how do we turn, you know, the final, I guess, segment of this conversation is that realistically then how do we start to turn from this. Right. Like how do we start to turn away from this paradigm of like, violence?

47:09 And, I've linked to this now. I've coupled this with like, meat eating. Right, and animal agriculture Savage, you know, animal agriculture, we have animals on top of each other in these fucking meat markets with infections. And oh yeah, now with global transportation, you know, of commodities around the world. You have all this like meat products going everywhere, right?

47:32 Cross contaminating. But yeah, I had never heard zoonotic before. The whole pandemic thing. It's such an even though yes you did, you just didn't realize it because you heard us whine flu and bird flu and all that have the word to describe the concept, right? But you heard of swine transition from one species to another of disease. Yes, yes, yes.

47:51 I just didn't know about zoonosis. Right? I mean, it's just the formal term, you know, but you heard of you heard of results of the swine flu, bird flu, etc.. Right? Right. H1n1, all that fun stuff. Yep. H1n1. Yeah. So so, is that Berkeley? Who knows. She was talking about that or some, some some type of visa, I don't know anyway.

48:18 And I'm not making some kind of racist of joke there. We're talking about like H-1b type of yeah. Combine that with like they're a virus infecting the country. Yeah. No no no no. Not saying that there's some there's a there's some comedic value there. But that's not the point of this conversation. That wasn't there was no intent there for something like that.

48:39 Just because it's funny, it doesn't mean it's true. You can be couple of two. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I know that when I'm watching a comedian and the comedians black and they pick on black people, that I'm authorized to laugh because you're watching the comedian, the black comedian made the joke about black people. And under that paradigm, it's socially normal and acceptable for me to then also you can laugh because that's the purpose of this event.

49:05 That's what this thing exists for, right? But if the comedian was white and said that same joke and you laughed, you'd be racist and be booed off the stage and forget the guys crew would be over. Oh yeah, that. So, you know, there's all these, like, bizarro social rules that go along. Yeah, yeah. And they pretty much everything that we do.

49:24 Right. Because we have to have a even if it's an unspoken protocol for how we're going to interact, we have to be able to predict the other person and the general outcome of what we're trying to do. So we have these social conventions, these societal. These things that really kind of put the guardrails around our interactions so we can get expect to get to a particular goal.

49:47 If we follow some general steps. So does a black comedian on stage, mocking the black community, blacks or whatever, and and perpetuating black stereotypes in a really negative way to get a laugh. Appropriate or not? Well, it may also. Hell no it's not. A perfect may also be able to use some of these things as a vehicle to teach.

50:08 Or you may see some of these things as a vehicle to spotlight. And, you know, look, maybe throw it up there and say, look, this is ridiculous. You know, and if you if you put it a little bit, people, it softens it for people and they can get inside of it and maybe it changes.

50:28 If you say so. That's very optimistic viewpoint of that. I think it's somewhat just capitalizing on on being able to be racist. Remember Archie Bunker. Yeah. And all in the family. And really did you get the sense of the impact that it really had. Like it it kind of yeah. You had contempt for Archie because he was he was vicious racially.

50:52 Yeah. Towards the Polish meat head and the black people in the show. Yeah. And it made you not want to be like that and that domain. But other. But, but but the other aspects of Archie Bunker you did want to possess being the man of the house and. Well, maybe a little of that, but also when it came down to really pinched situations, he'd always come through, you know, there's there was plenty of like, subtext, admirable, you know, very decent human traits there, you know, was part of it.

51:23 So they played that dynamic. And I don't think, I think if they post rationalize it, they would have said that was all intended. But I think that was just how the character developed. I don't think it was. I don't I don't believe for a second that it was upfront, rationalized. I think that that resentment towards the disdain that you had towards the racial, the racist quality of Archie Bunker and then not wanting that thing.

51:47 It was wholly organic, like the writers didn't intend to do it, but they couldn't have wanted I totally some social change their through, you know, going ahead and taking these things and making fun of them because they thought they were vestigial, they thought they were useless and no longer needed by society. No, they wrote the character as being racist and having these different attributes.

52:09 And it just happened that it played out that way. No, but no. But like everyone's a genius when you post rationalize everything. And I'm not necessarily saying they were genius, but I am saying that and they've been firmly against those things and they wanted to kind of spotlight them, say they are ridiculous for us. We don't need them so much of a lead.

52:30 So when something has a positive, unintended consequence, the architects of the original thing go ahead and embrace that unintended positive consequence every time, every time we knew that it was going to blah blah blah, right? Don't try to tell me that people don't try to one thing at once. They got glimmers of it. They didn't screw it up.

52:49 They kept it going. Fair enough. Yeah. So there could be a feedback loop there. Yes. That that then becomes an intent as it unfolded. Right. But you know, in real life, the character Archie Bunker's character, remember the gentleman's name, but in real life was no racist. Yeah, yeah. Which probably helped inform the ridiculousness of the character. Yeah, maybe.

53:13 Maybe. No. You know, in in the, in the out in the kind of like less probable domain that it was all planned and coordinated from the beginning. If so, my God, those are wonderful. Great. Right? Great. And I mean, The Cosby Show was more. Oh, well, that's kind of tainted now, but but still, because The Cosby Show was more specifically designed that way.

53:35 Right. Because right at the beginning and, you know, his impact as a black doctor. Oh, I mean, society is always, society is always admired. Doctors and lawyers. Right? Yeah. So what's the song, mamas don't let your babies grow up through the cowboys. Oh, yeah. Let them be doctors and lawyers and such. Right. Something like this. Yeah, yeah.

53:59 So doctors and lawyers have always been regarded as top professional. Respected. Yeah. Hi, professionals. And here you have power couple two parent household. Very concerted in development mental and physical development of children. Right. Leading professional careers. Very distinguished, strong representatives of their culture. And being that being so. Right. Right. Like helping white people along. Yeah. In many cases.

54:28 Right. And then you had the different strokes. Yeah. I'm like 80s memory lane here Alf alien Alf even an alien throw an alien in there. Yeah we're throwing in alien. These cats in there for diversity. Yeah. It's such a shame like that. Cosby went that way because the his comedy of like, his comedy, like storytelling and being wholesome comedy.

54:53 Yeah. Right. To where he's like, not just dropping the F-bomb and the word, you know, all the time. Right? And then, like, consciously making sure you're funny without having to resort to that, which is hard. Yeah. It's easy to to go out there and talk about sex and poop, you know. Right. And get a laugh. But it seemed like he needed a press release about being America's dad.

55:13 I don't know if you want to call it that. Whatever it is, it's fucking terrible. It was awful. I mean, we should go off the street. Anytime you decide that you need to give another human being some drugs so you can do whatever you want. Yes. It's a it's a tragedy because. Because it really stained forever the, you know, potential quality.

55:39 Was this man getting pilots from I don't even know what a Quaaludes is since the 70s or or whatever date rape drug or whatever. I won't even know where to think about. Like, what the fuck? Right, right. Where do you get a gallon of GHB? Oh, it's, I've heard. What the fuck? Row hypno or something?

56:02 Hypnotic. What's the name of it? It's Rohit. Is it real? Hypno. That's one of them or something. Yeah, yeah. So, like, what the fuck even is that? I don't even know, right?

56:12 So the stage one where, like, people know what that shit is and know how to obtain it is fucking red flag right there.

56:24 I guess that's true with a wide range of drugs. But hey right, there isn't a drug community that doesn't have its.

56:35 Serious negativity that comes with it. For the majority of my life I wouldn't know where to get with drugs. Like I wouldn't know, like right. Like who to call upon to get x, y, z. You wouldn't know who the plug was. I mean, I could probably always find weed, right? But I've never done it, so I've never had, never had a need or desire to.

56:56 Right. If you don't start a habit, you don't need the habit. Yeah, but, but but as far as weed goes, at least I, I have kind of had some idea of where I could get that right, because, I mean, it's pervasive in our culture. It's okay. And fair enough. I would just ask that person if they knew, blah blah, blah.

57:11 Okay. Yeah, that would be my conduit. But hey, that was go. That's fine. I would probably go through the weed dealer to find something harder, you know? Yeah, it seems, but I guess that's what I'm saying. It's it's permeated deep. And I mean, it's one of those drugs that I don't think it's all that harmful.

57:32 So I have to just mention, we're walking by a church with very narrow windows, and it popped into my mind at the moment, this interesting thing about size of windows, because for most zoning laws, you have to have two points of egress from every room in the event that there's a fire or some emergency. Now, if it's one big room, maybe that's how they're going to run it.

57:55 Well, I saw a door at the bottom, but I don't think many human beings would squeeze through those narrow windows. Oh hell no. You might be able to pop one and shove a kid out one. Okay, women and children first. And, So what's going to reminds me of a second idea here, which is do you see some of these Masonic lodges or some of these Legion places and stuff like Lodge, like, literally no windows, like the whole thing is Brit.

58:22 Right, right. And so I guess the more secret and clandestine your organization is, the smaller and smaller your windows will be.

58:33 So that's encoded in Los.

58:38 Maybe wink, wink zoning laws. No. They'll have like a double door, you know, no windows in it. Right. Like windows aren't the requirement. A certain level of egress is. Yeah, to get out. Yeah. Ingress and egress. Just I remember hearing this thing about an interesting tax scheme they did in, in London at one point. Yeah. Where they'd go by the number of windows to determine your tax liability.

59:05 Right. Yeah. And so rich people started putting no windows in the building. Wow. Because what it was is that the wealthy had all these windows, right? And so they figured they would tax them. Yeah. So they assessed the taxes based on a number of windows per whatever, you know, some formula. Right. And so when that kind of word got out or finally set in and how that was formulated, they said that no windows.

59:36 You don't need no stinking windows. Interesting how them rich always seem to avoid them taxes.

59:43 I mean obviously that's a component of being rich right. You want to keep it is. Yeah. Hanging on to every penny regardless, not paying any homage to the fact that the infrastructure is, you know, necessary to get you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Fuck paying into that, right? That doesn't make any sense to me. You think you'd want to support it and further it?

1:00:03 You think you'd want to get more, if they could help you more? Your business closer to where you make money. Yeah, right. You know, if they can bring you that much more, close there and give you a service that's good enough, then you want to support that, you know, because your competitor is not. So you're not either kind of idea, right?

1:00:27 I don't know, I think of it as a delineate delineated public private partnership is beneficial for everybody. Yeah. But you have the capacity to think on that level with the with the altruism and the right now we're kind of compassion. Your average business person wouldn't know. So your average business person, driven specifically by the engine of capitalism and the tenants they're in, okay, doesn't.

1:00:59 Yeah. You know. All right. So intention falls to the wayside to performance. Got it. You know and so some of the things intention you can't draw the direct line from that on the balance sheet. There you go. Yeah. What's the what's the. Now you've heard me talk many times in the past. I don't think I've ever mentioned in the podcast, but a way to reconstruct the incentives not based on cash, right, but on social currency, you know, and ironically, China is working on versions of that.

1:01:34 Yeah. Which it's kind of scary from what I've read. But yeah, unbridled capitalism is fucking scary. True. You know, the big data in the United States, that's fucking scary. You know, if you have a situation where, I mean, did you see that Black Mirror episode where it was pretty much an implementation? I never caught that show, but I've been told I should.

1:01:56 Should watch. You should. It's good. This episode was basically I went, you know, a window on a society that everything was built around your social scoring. Sure. Okay. I, like you, couldn't even get into the building at work without a certain social school. Well, we have that society right now. Your social score is just how wealthy you are, but it isn't so prevalent.

1:02:19 People were carrying around on their phones. They would, you know, say I'd walk by you. Yeah. I'd be looking at you through this mediated reality of my phone and say, oh, he's a 273. I only want to associate with 300 plus. And people do it now based on just the fashion and the general sense they get us somebody driving a Lamborghini, it's ever more apparent in every situation when you have what, what they had and when you had.

1:02:45 Isn't it better to have it be a parent than have it be clandestine? Because I say no, because now.

1:02:54 If you want to truly do your own thing and you've amassed enough resources, however, you can go do that well now with and you can do it with minimal social interaction. It's not a requirement. So what do you like this social interaction. And it forces you to participate in this system of, you know. Yes. Do other people think of it?

1:03:16 What about the sexual sex offender registry? I mean, it's the same fucking thing, right? But it's one trait. Yeah. All of these, all of your traits get aggregated into a score. Yeah. We have capricious and algorithmic. And that's where I take umbrage. That's where I take issue. Because, okay, you were being turned into this single number depending on what society wants to control different aspects of you doing.

1:03:43 That's right. So that number composite, much like a credit score. Right. Wouldn't care as much. Even more insidious because everybody's looking at you like you come up as a waiter. I see you're writing and that colors my interaction with you. Well, right now, the fact the presence of the person working as a waiter. Yes, well, has the.

1:04:04 That is the value score. We'll have that piled on with this other piece of data about that. That means. Yeah. So, you know, when you see the, when you see the waiters tattoos and when you value judgment. That's right. And when you, when they smell like smoke, you make a judgment and you see them get in there. 1990 whatever beta.

1:04:25 Yep. Etcetera etc.. It's just more clandestine versions of the same thing. But it we're still going to have the those things. We're just going to add even more on top of it to make people more divided, to make people more fragmented and less likely to come together. This isn't a general score, doesn't necessarily facilitate people doing the right thing.

1:04:48 It just facilitates people doing something.

1:04:53 I don't know, I think maybe having it be overt, has a quality to it, that is. But the rules, it can't be avert. You know, it ends up having a layer of no matter how tightly you control it, there's a layer of social there and micro communities and things like that that, you know, it can get out of control directions.

1:05:17 You don't want it to. You know, enough about how data works and how the world is transformed in the last two decades to know that privacy is fucking gone. Sure, privacy is gone. Sure. And so much so that this fucking thing that you're talking about exists already. You just don't have access to it.

1:05:37 But bullshit. It doesn't exist. Cambridge Analytics right. Data on friends of friends. Fucking Facebook algorithm. A profile that knows more about the individual on average than the individual knows about themselves. So you're trying to tell me that it just exists. You just don't have access to it. So at least in this part, everyone has access to it. And you can make and then have some kind of power and control power and control over adjusting it.

1:06:02 How do you have some I mean, you have the same power of control you would have over voting for something. No. So, so so in this case, it would be comparable to the power and control you have over your credit score. There are tried and true ways that you know that you can go about making your credit score.

1:06:18 So just be another system we layer on top that people try to hack.

1:06:23 That's that's what it is anyway. That's what we have anyway. And whether you like it or not okay. So like oh fuck the credit score. Credit card companies. Right. Fuck that. Right. Okay. But it's a system. I have to participate in that. That's exactly what I'm saying. And so then it's there. And at least there's ways that you can go about changing your credit score over time to, you know, with a goal in mind that a certain credit score is going to afford you.

1:06:49 This is what bothers me is who's sitting in that goal, who's who's creating a goal function overall for that society's generally headed toward. It's probably not me, dude, you heard me say, exactly what is the purpose of driving humanity in general? In general, yes. But I'm saying in general, the people running this massive system are not me. I'm not involved with it.

1:07:11 I just I'm caught up in it, just as with every other system. Right? Yes. So why do I want to layer more control, more of a noose around my neck, or tighten the one that's already there, as you've said? Well, it depends on what side you're on. Okay. So if you're a person that has great credit, okay. And enjoys all the benefits of having that great credit, sure.

1:07:32 In every aspect of your life, they get the great loans and the cars. They get the home they want when they need it. Whatever you bet thinks the credit system is just fine. So the social credit system would be the same way that people that are fucking upstanding citizens and are busting their ass every day to be great and have a great fucking score are going to love that system.

1:07:52 Because then finally there's a way that they can be seen as for who they are, what you think is going to be great and good goal functions are definitely not what our government is going to decide on. Well, okay, so you talk about like in general the goal functions. And I think that if you start asking around and doing some surveys and sampling what people think would be good behaviors versus bad, you'd get a pretty strong consensus.

1:08:13 Yes. But and then you could wait to hold on. You can wait. The ones with the stronger consensus more up to the higher priority on the score. But it's not going to happen. Okay. But just like saying the credit score, things aren't going to happen, right? Right. We're not going to get out from under the credits. Dude, I'm telling you, it's already happened.

1:08:28 I'm saying I'm not going. Everyone just doesn't have access to it. I'm saying they are. It's not going to be good. It's not going to be beneficial. It's just another way to lead you by the nose. Dude, I would love to have. I would love to have a way to, like, instantly identify every fucking scumbag third piece of shit motherfucker out there on the planet so I can just totally full scale ignore them.

1:08:51 I would love that. So you'd want it to be classes? I'd love? No, no. Like if it was classes, tool. If it was true. Right? True. Is is a collection of viewpoint okay. True based on my parameters and say I tell this AI, I say I want to filter out everyone who's blah blah blah, right? And then it does that shit for me.

1:09:14 Hell yeah. I'm all for that. I don't want the I don't want the guy that's on the sexual registry, you know? Whatever. Well, sure. You know, I get cutting off the extremes. I wasn't easy, easy. But if you're just walking up past someone and, you know, you see through your mediated reality thing or augmented reality shit, that they're homeless and they're a piece of shit, are you going to just like, eventually people are just going to start preemptively, like screaming, yelling, whatever at someone just because of some data point they saw on the screen?

1:09:43 Yeah. It's like, yeah. And the with the difference being is that they do that right now. They just don't have any data behind it. They have only their own self assumptions and biases. So what you can then argue is that the system is going to have all of its own biases, have biases. And that's what I'm trying to say.

1:09:58 It's biases you want. But if the biases are documented well, less than the average biases of the typical general citizen, you start to have some advantages here. No. So like if you just start from the premise that our privacy is gone. Sure. Okay. Every fucking camera, high resolution camera, like we've passed under 50 of them in our walk this morning, right.

1:10:24 Every one of those high resolution cameras at those, there's one right there. You know, every fucking exchange point. There's a fucking camera, high resolution that can easily be tied to facial recognition, easily tied to facial recognition. Okay. And then identified. Then identified where you were at. At what point? Sure. And then the average person in England's on camera something like 50 times a day.

1:10:49 And so that portion of our privacy has been eroded. We just accept that as it is. Okay. This way it is. And so when inevitably it gets to this augmented reality app that shows your social credit score, because the private company is going to make it, if government or some other agency doesn't, it's going to exist in the future, right?

1:11:05 Yeah. But on top of whatever collection of social platforms people come to. And dude, come on, don't don't, don't like lie here. Tell the truth. You've gone on and look someone up online before. Well of course. Okay, well, why did you do that? You know, you want more context, you want more information, but it depends. You should. So many people look at Google as being the Oracle.

1:11:29 If I found it there it was in the first three results. It's true. Then they're going to do the same thing with this. But you're not the typical user. You're probably going to look a couple of pages in. Sure, most people are just going to take the headline. The bottom line, what the what the internet tells them right off the bat.

1:11:43 For example, my brother will close on this this little fun little tidbit of story, right? My brother is like, wouldn't hurt a fly. He's like passive. And in that regard, he's a great guy, right? Like the idea of him ever hitting a woman, for example, would be like, she'd be coming after him with a knife and he'd die trying to find a way to get them, you know, disarm her rather than strike her.

1:12:06 Right? Right. And that's where he and I differ. But, you know, I've never hit a woman. But if one came at me with and I saw on their either trying to stab me and murderous intent, I. Yeah, I will have my human reaction. Yeah, it's gonna happen. Dude, I'm not trying to die. But my brother wouldn't. He would like he he'd bleed out on the kitchen floor.

1:12:24 Right? That's so crazy. Yeah, he's just that kind of guy, and I admire him, actually, for that. I don't like 99% of them, but, yeah, that part of that. Maya. Anyway, he was going through a divorce, and his ex was, like, taking clothes that he had bought for his child at the at the house and stuffing him in a bag and taking him to her house and never bringing him back to him, said she was.

1:12:48 So she was using him as you know, he was ready to. Everybody had everything figured out, like all the payments, you know, taking stuff from his house that he was having there to. Oh, and she would take shampoos and, you know, she like, raid his house every time she'd come over. And he told her she couldn't do it anymore.

1:13:03 It's inappropriate. She just buy those things. She pays the child support, whatever. It's only fair that she buys those things at her place. Yeah, yeah. Not just raiding that he has to go out and buy, you know, you get the idea. And so, she had this bag, and he picked up the bag and opened the bag, and it was his son's book bag.

1:13:18 It's not like it was her bag. Son's book bag. He picked it up and unzipped it to see what was in there. And sure enough, it was all she was basically stealing a bunch of stuff from the house. Right? And he says, you know, no, this isn't right. You can't take this stuff. You know, we talked about this.

1:13:32 It's just not fair. She takes the bag and she takes it and yanks it to rip it out of his hands. Now he's got a hand in the bag. Yeah, so it can't just rip from his hand so easily. And in doing so, the strap came out of her hand and raked her arm. Okay, 100%. True story, dude.

1:13:51 Right. It rakes her arm. She calls the cops. Cops come scrape. She's got a big scrape down her arm like a not even not even bleeding. Just having that red like, you know, it's clearly like a strip from skin off, but not that much. Yeah. It's like a rope burn, if you will. Like, like on the on the inside of the forum where the skin is really delicate anyway.

1:14:10 Right, right. And 100% her own action. Right? Cops arrest him, take him to jail. No shit. Process him for domestic violence. He goes through this nonsense. Has a fucking mug shot, publicly facing mug shot like that. It's on the public. I don't know how that works, but, you know, I never had my mug shot, so I don't even know how it works.

1:14:33 Yeah, but his mug shot is on there with domestic violence associated with it. Okay, now, later on, the charges were dropped. Everything was gone. But. But the internet photo. One of the first things they find about him. Yeah. Holy fucking wrong. Yeah. Okay. And so that's exactly what I'm talking about. So he's got no way for someone to scan him and see a social score that's way higher and more reflective of who he really is.

1:14:56 What people do is they Google his name, and that shit comes up almost right away, and he can't even get it removed. He can't get it removed. But all those things that you talk about that negatively, he's this right now are still going to figure into this shit score. It's still going to affect them. It just might have knocked him even more.

1:15:13 Take it to the credit score analogy. If you have some fraudulent shit on your credit score, you can appeal it. There's a process and you can augment it by. So if you add an appeals process and some kind of mediation and all these other layers similar to the credit thing, then it's more palatable to me. Yeah, it matures over time and it becomes more, more reflective.

1:15:33 It always has its flaws, but it constantly improves continuous improvement over time. Sure, if we're doing that, great. Otherwise, you know, the guy could at least get a date. Then at least you know, damn right, you know, literally ruined. Ruined. I mean, I can't speak. Well, we need that literally is like ruining his life. Can't change jobs. He needs the ability to remove it.

1:15:54 But they they say no, I know we need the right to forget, right? Yeah. We need a maybe social controls around some of these things. We need to be able to put. Just like you can get things off your credit report, need to be able to get things off of your social roof. That's right. So you scan yourself on this app and it's from 1 to 1 to 1000.

1:16:15 You're hovering at a 250, right? And you're like, oh shit. And then there's a legitimate means next month after 350, then 450 because you're, you're you're you're mitigating. You're, you're doing what you're supposed to do to, to get it up to where you want it to be, playing whatever social game they have you play. But it's also it's always a social game, dude.

1:16:32 Like, you see what I'm saying? It's always it's always a social game. At the end of the day, it's just to what level. And at least this app would give some type of formal system. Now don't get me wrong, I would be against this and I'm against not being able to get your fucking mugshot off the internet to.

1:16:45 And I'm against the sex registry database because it should be a fucking statute of limitations on how much you have to pay for that crime. There should. It's more double jeopardy. It's double triple jeopardy right there. Right. Every crime. Now, you know, I don't want the pedophile living next door. Damn right. But it's still not in my backyard, so we still need to.

1:17:04 I mean, there are certain things I really do think we need to keep track of. And social, sexual, social and sexual predators we need. I love your ability to, like, perfectly pick a topic. Not in my backyard is like perfect for tomorrow. Let's Nimby, let's totally do Nimby. All right. Awesome, dude. All right, man, you can go sleep that shit off.

1:17:26 Yeah. You're like staggering shit. You're like. You're like, can't walk. You know, like this. I was like, let's go over here. And you're like, literally went like this.

1:17:39 It was like. It was like you were catching air currents to get to the right direction without your arms out there, like your beard was taken. Yeah.

1:17:51 I mean, like, staggering. All day I've been kind of going. Stop standing.