Shaping Preference & Inducing Greatness

0:00 Just to hang out for a few hours, and then I'm going to pick her up. I wonder if we can get by this house without a killer attacking us.

0:09 Like typical. Or if they have it inside? Some days. Yeah, probably. It's like maybe a little rainy ten. 11 inside. Yeah. It must be a little. So I realized, like a knowledge gap that I have in my life. Right? It's like plants, right? Like, I get the basics for soil, water, you know? Right. No problem. Again, you know, but whenever it comes to, like, identifying, I'm using them, that kind of thing.

0:36 Yeah. Identifying them is, of course, like, you know, you got to have some knowledge there. But, you know, there's an app on your phone you can use identify the plants. But you know, I see one right out there. Like why do they all of a sudden like grow really. Well you know like all that kind of stuff.

0:54 You don't really know all that. And my mom used to work in the greenhouse and it's really the plants. And I mean, she loved them for sure. I don't know, she would when we'd walk in the woods or go hiking or whatever, she always tell us with different things where I can see something some degree, like a plant worship kind of mentality, you know, because it's like the, the, the, bottom line, productive producers of all life, right?

1:19 Yeah. It's like, so I can see, like, some joy in plants. Yeah. Also, like the spirit of gardening, you know, you plant the garden. You're kind of a future thinking person. And it. Well, it's helpful. It also seems as though it would cultivate more patience. It's nice. Cultivate like that? Yeah. It's just it. But you know what I'm saying?

1:41 I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, but, like, you know, the, the water cycle for your plants. So like how, you know, exactly like how to water them. You know, each plant properly. Right. Is, you know, each, each plant would want its own exact type of soil. You know, just like, just like biodiversity and other species.

1:59 Yeah. Carnivorous omnivores. Right. Right. They prefer different kinds of things. Well plants would do. And you know there's like such certain flowers have like like magnitudes more DNA than humans. Yeah. And that was crazy. It was so bizarre to us to to think about that. Like, why would a plant take so much energy, right? Evolved so much energy to preserve such elaborate DNA?

2:27 It is, you know, a lot more energy to copy it into, propagate it and, if they could also be similar to how we acquire junk DNA through viruses and, you know, other things like that, maybe, maybe also they have like layers of the sigil from being around for so long. Like, yeah, yeah. Who is or maybe like or maybe actually all that stuff actually.

2:57 Maybe more of it in codes than we understand. Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe there's maybe there's a complexity level to the plants that are much higher than we realized. That is entirely possible. I would not put that past humanity or oversimplifying something, completely mischaracterizing it, and then having to come back later and say, oh yeah, we fucked up. Yeah.

3:19 I mean, the biomass of the earth is still like, predominantly like by magnitudes, right? Plants, despite our best efforts, it's a spider. Yeah. It's almost like if if humans were all to vanish tomorrow, I don't think it would take long for plants and nature to just grow over. You know us. Give her less. But whatever remaining footprint we had, it was a farcical series.

3:43 But did you ever watch, Life After People on the History Channel? No, I didn't watch you, but it rings a bell, like. Like I think I was aware of it. Okay, well, that's the idea, right? Yeah. It's exactly what you're saying. And, I mean, it was such a satisfying thing to watch. What? What was it like? Maybe.

4:00 Let me guess, is they kind of like CGI time lapsed cities being grown over. Well, yeah. Okay. But it received spotlight certain things in the city. Yeah. Okay. Sure, sure. So it'd be like a major city like Louisville, Kentucky, and they'd be like, all right, so Fort Knox isn't what it used to be. Fort Knox isn't there? Sure.

4:18 And, like, you know, all your skyscrapers, like the shell would remain with the windows. Over time, it would get bashed out. Be hail, hail stones now. Oh, really? What happens is that it's like a thin skin. Yeah, yeah. And the thin skin falls after, like, 50 years. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Because, you know, it does require maintenance.

4:39 Yeah. Everything has entropy. And so they said, you know, after 50 years boom. Skyscrapers done. Oh okay. Did you start falling guys. You guys started showing them falling. You know it's like you know, they would spotlight certain ones in certain cities. And with Fort Knox, they were like, really? Yeah. Like it doesn't exist like it used to.

4:59 It is in a vault in the ocean. Okay. And they show you, they pivot to the vault in the ocean and they show you how it will degrade over time and where it would be gone. Yeah, sure. So everything would. Entropy. Yeah. Right. Like. Yeah. Are they talking about some concrete. How everything slowly breaks down and the way it breaks down.

5:17 Okay. That's cool man. I think that some like, you know, rebar impregnated steel, you know, in certain structures with lasts quite a long time. Oh, I'm sure we still have concrete from the Romans that, you know, untouched. And I imagine, you know, the structures themselves would last forever of nearly. But, yeah, it was kind of super coated, like steel beam, you know, it's going to last a long time, right?

5:43 But but it was just interesting. The facade wasn't going to last all that long. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Well, I mean, the facade they do for quite a bit of anything. I'm sure every skyscraper I'm sure it's I mean, it's, a massive maintenance plan by regulation. I can imagine, because the consequences of it not being maintained properly are, are, you know, you don't want you don't want pieces of buildings falling on the right.

6:07 You know, city cities probably wouldn't function as well if that was the case. Yeah. It's funny. So, you know, the big thing and tick tock everywhere, you know, Twitter, the whole social media universe right now is abortion, right? I don't want to talk about it. Well, I was going to say, I have a friend, Lindsey, who started listening to our podcast, who would like to join and speak about her views on it.

6:37 Okay. No. Okay. With that, we have a guest for sure. Yeah. And, the three person dynamic might need a different format, like many of you go to a greenway or something. So like, one person can stay in the middle so that we have like a round table maybe something like that. Yeah, a little bit different because, you know, with us we can hold the recorder like, you know, between us it's easy, you know, most places we can go or are okay for two people.

6:59 Yeah. When you have that third person, you're trying to navigate some of the places we go, it's difficult. So yeah, we have a coffee shop. Yeah. No problem. Right. Yeah. Or like my place. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, for sure she would have to do it on the weekends sometimes. She said the weekend after the fourth might work for if it works for you.

7:20 If it doesn't, doesn't. There's possibly the next weekend work. She would come down here from your South Carolina. Yeah. She'd come up here or. Yeah. I mean, I know my north and south. Yeah, south. We're north Catholic. What an intellect. Lo siento mucho. I'm so, so sure. If she wants to talk specifically about abortion, well, she just wants to talk about what Scotus is doing.

7:46 And, you know, she would talk a little bit about the abortion thing. She would talk a little bit about other things that are happening in the, you know, legal world. I'm not sure when you take you take the world of my, my like the whole really simplistic viewpoint, big picture idea is that when you take the world from the point of view of the spirit running everything, you're going to have beliefs that are, you know, one way we take a point of view of like life is a is a functional thing, right?

8:18 Scientific, functional thing. You're going to have a different way of looking at and we won't become she won't be coming at it from a religious angle. She'll be coming at it from a practical atheist angle of, you know, just what kind of impact does this decision have? And, you know, I was talking to her about it and she's like, she listened to five minutes of our first episode and was like, how can I join this conversation?

8:43 Sure. Yeah. You guys have a forum. Do you have something to engage with people? I was like, not yet. Yeah, well, probably don't need to have an administrative conversation on our podcast, but, Well, no, but I'm just saying. But yeah, she was interested. We're definitely. Are we going to keep expanding all those, like, fun ways? We're going to make our our our, I mean, view from the client.

9:05 Yeah, man. Beautiful. And, you know, we'll never forget Jana from Ohio. We're going to keep her in. Oh, yes. Yes, very, very strange. The idea that women would be the primary audience of our cast, that's that's really bizarre. Well, the only reason there's a little window that we can see, we did not hear it specifically for women.

9:26 We were thinking more. We were going to be a little over the top for some people, and we might offend some delicate sensibilities, but, you know, we're probably overestimating ourselves. Probably nobody cares. Yeah, but. And that's it. That's what I like to say. It's like, really, when we think about it, we're not being that edgy and we're not saying anything that isn't isn't out there or hasn't been said.

9:54 Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you know, we were underestimating people's ability to deal with bullshit. Yes. And maybe, maybe certain kind of bosses like welcome. Yeah. Yep. I've always found this funny that you can, you know, if you, if you have your grass grow too long for it, you don't cut your grass for a couple weeks and the grass grows too high.

10:14 You'll have some some, like thugs from the city, can send you a letter and try to shake it out as a homeowner. Oh, yeah. You know, like, threaten you. Yeah. And, maybe somebody from the city and your HOA, if you're lucky. Yeah. That's exactly. But then if you build it, if you're building something like this new construction, you can have literally like a fucking third world wasteland, you know, for like six months, for six months.

10:34 And, yeah, that's like just part of the deal. Yeah. I've never, you know, you don't have to clean up the shit in the front. I guess it's not like you just leave construction debris everywhere and like, I mean, dude, I can tell you, our new construction home in Dallas, that damn thing we were finding. The construction debris, wood, nails, everything for months.

10:55 Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, if you have your roofing done or whatever, you know, they'll put the they'll put tarps in your in your bushes and whatever. So you don't get a bunch of roofing tiles and roofing nails in your bushes. But you still find you're gonna find them in the yard for. Yeah, like for the next year.

11:12 Yeah. But seriously, like, if you're this neighbor to this person and you have tall grass, you know, somebody from the city or something, like you said, the HMO would be like, hey, the grass is looking a little long. Someone's out there with the measuring tape. Better cut it, buddy. But then, you know, two doors down, you can have.

11:29 Yeah, it looks like a, you know, they've just had an environmental disaster for six months. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, really, it's like though, doesn't anybody see, like, the contrast there? Yeah. And the thing is we they might have we pave over the environmental disaster, but with some thought it's like, oh well they put saw down.

11:51 Right. Good to go. You know. So it's got like this reeking porta potty out front and you know literally that's what we see there. Right, right. Like just there's scorched earth like red clay showing everywhere. Right. And you see the runoff, like going right into the drain. Yeah. Half the street is like, filled with runoff, you know, like mud.

12:09 And it's like, like that's okay. There's been massive erosion to all the neighboring yards because there isn't anything to stop the flow. There's no plants. Yeah. You know, and it's like, I mean, it's not like I'm expecting to put it in like a French drain or something, but Jesus, something, something and proper erosion control. And they probably do have all those rules.

12:31 They're just not, you know, followed as closely because people kind of understand, oh, it's a new construction. You're going to see that it's been normalized. Yeah. But if you like, just step back and look at it raw for what it is. Yeah. It's like like so many other things. You know, if you take a step back and check out what it really is, you know, it's a bit of a frightening situation.

12:53 Yeah. It's just clearly, you know, hypocritical. Yeah. For lack of a better term. It's like, can't see the forest for the trees on that. You know, times like, you know. So we were talking about dogs and and cats and stuff the other day and, I went through and pulled out some stats for our length. It's it's really fascinating.

13:11 Dude. There's like the stats on this shit is crazy. Like how much economic energy goes into pets and how, oh my gosh, really, dude. It's it's it's not just like it's not just like $1 billion industry. Like the whole pet thing is like a mega billion industry, like close to $1 trillion. What? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I guess that is that just, you know, when you add a continent or.

13:41 Yeah, that's just the United States when you add up all the all the accessory stuff, right? All the veterinarian, all of the when you pour it all in some estimates that are around 2 trillion. That's insane. Can't believe it. Now. Never would have guessed. So you have 330 million people all there. All the households and all the businesses and all the townships, you know, across the country looking at an incredible net, you know, economic engine is incredible.

14:08 Yeah. You know, when you when you scale everything out, like when I did that with gasoline, you know, you look at the statistics on how much gasoline is just using that daily basis. And it's like how like how where is all that coming from. Yeah. It's like the volume is incredible. I mean, so they've just found increasing technological means to extract that shit from the earth.

14:32 And that's really it. We're getting better and better at extracting it. We're getting, you know, some of the ways that we're using to extract petroleum derivatives are, more damaging than others. But, yeah, like fracking. Yeah. You start to talk, you start to talk about the scale of these things. And, you know, you're you're a little overwhelmed, like the mind really doesn't have a placeholder.

14:56 Yeah, I know the mind really doesn't even have much of a placeholder for that kind of scale. You know what I mean? So it's like, can you imagine in your mind what the hell? Yeah. I just wanna stay away from the cars with the circle. Okay? So, like, in your mind, can you really imagine 500 million gallons, for example?

15:17 No. Like, you can imagine a gallon of milk or a gallon of some liquid. Right. And I can probably scale that out to easily in my brain. 100 gallons of gross of gallons, like. Right. Yeah. You can probably imagine what a gross of something looks like, right? Or, you know, a baker's dozen or, you know, some other terminology for some small kind of worldly, you know, ten human chain.

15:41 And I really think maybe I could I know what ten looks like. I think I could roughly say, I know what 100 looks like. There you go. And, you know, in Montessori school, they'll have, like, these different cubes of light that the stick together magnetically. Yeah. This five this is a ten. So you can kind of start to understand like those kind of volumes and scales.

16:00 Yeah. And but still it's not even touching something like 100 million. No. Right. And we're talking you know trillion close to. Yeah. And so when you, when you start to scale things up, I think, you know, just because of your contextual experience with, with with magnitude. Yeah. Not you but I mean one you would think. Yeah. Is that like it loses its it loses its I don't know what you want to call it loses like its, impact.

16:26 Yeah. Because the volume is like beyond the imagine. You can't truly understand that scale. Yeah. I would need to have it, like, visually presented with me in some kind of augmented reality. Right. So I have a really good understanding of like a scale volume that I could maybe like manipulate with my hand. You get an idea. Some kind of structure nearly as tall as this, you know, high, high tension power line.

16:52 Yeah. And then, so if I had those kind of references and had that kind of experience, I could probably then start to say, oh, holy shit. Like, with more, kind of frame of reference than just the raw number that I call Holy shit to now, right? So when I see, like, the total amount of gasoline using the United States every day, for example, I'm like, holy shit, yeah.

17:15 But if I were to actually be able to truly visualize that amount, I'd be like, Holy shit, you would. I mean, you if you truly gained a grasp of it, you know, it would affect your decision making and all that energy just literally going up in smoke every day. Yeah. Like just all that volume of of of energy, of commodity and most of it, it is literally going up in smoke.

17:38 Yeah. Those are engines are so inefficient. Well, given what they're doing, they're highly efficient. Right. Oh yeah. It's very inefficient. Yeah. Yeah. It's a process when you look at it. Inefficient. But as a progression, very efficient from where we started to where we are. We have to kick some ass with our modern day ISIS. Yeah. Have you been to Amsterdam?

18:01 Yeah. So there's Amsterdam and there's other other cities that are really bike friendly. Okay. And, you just see it like, like so weird to see thousands and thousands of bikes. So awesome. Like being, conglomerated in a certain area, like, popular. Right? So, like, they'll have, like, a bike station, if you will. And so there's a certain style of bike that's common in.

18:24 Right. And of course bike theft is a problem. And they have everything that goes from all the problems that come with that thing. But bikes him. Everybody's got a bike like everybody.

18:36 Yeah that's kind of rude isn't it. Yeah. More after what's kind of rude. It's kind of rude to some extent. Like if, bikers take over a walking trail. I mean, like National. Imagine 20 of them, right? Yeah. But bikers, you know, they would. I feel like they share the same space of pedestrians. Share. So we share it, right?

19:01 Yeah. Like a greenway that's got, like, a bike lane and then a pedestrian only. But, I mean, that's asking. Yeah, that's asking. A lot of it is asking a lot. But it is nicer. It is way nicer because then you segregate the two modes of traffic, and the bikes can go as fast as they want to go. Yeah.

19:17 We've seen some of these things, like out in Colorado like Boulder and some of these other progressive areas where they have the greenway outside the road, see, like the road guardrails, some foliage and trees. Then the other side of that you have this wide bike lane and walking lane. That's nice. Like so it does take up a large footprint.

19:35 But there's options now. Yeah. Right. It's like let's go to the store and take the bikes. Yeah yeah yeah. Which is fantastic. I think that's kind of what they want people to do here. I mean, I was reading that, yeah. They're trying to make sure that these light rail connects to the greenways and give people, biking or pedestrian, you know, method of transportation to get places.

20:04 Yeah. My friend Shauna's an architect, other friend, John, that's really big into, sustainable architecture. Yeah. Said, like, three way, like, you know, that you have good zoning when, when from any given resident, every every given residential facility or business, you have three forms of transportation minimum. Oh, nice. So you can imagine, like a bus parking lot for your car and the sidewalk, you know, like that's like the bare minimum morning.

20:32 So three or more. Yeah, three or more. So, you know, very conducive like natural. The infrastructure is in place for that at least 3 or 4 times the draft. Yeah. It's like yeah civil engineers. Yeah. We got actually got we got a good crop instead of the ones from like, you know, community college in Ohio. Yeah. Right.

20:55 Yeah. From my house, actually. I have a pretty decent, pretty decent sidewalk. And, you know, we don't podcast or anything because of logistics. Plus, it's kind of noisy, but, it's actually very conducive for, like, bicycle riding and, you know, things like that. Cool. Like, if you're riding a bicycle on the sidewalk. Yeah. You know, casually.

21:15 Not like, try to put on spandex and, you know, aerodynamic helmet. Right where you're like and go at it with a pack of 50. I'm training for my triathlon with 49 of my closest brothers. Yeah. So eventually everybody that rides a bicycle like that competitively, like training for a triathlon or whatever is, is this I don't know, pretty much everybody that does that.

21:40 They have something tethered at some point. But then somebody messed with the thing that was tethered. Oh, and that's what that that's what my, detective analysis is saying. Something was tethered there at one point. It says something here, right? We're like, out. Oh, maybe graffiti. Yeah, maybe. So, anyway, that reminds me of something else to talk about, but I'm finish this idea about the, bicycle race that eventually everybody who, cycles will eventually just statistically will suffer a spill.

22:17 Sure. Rainfall, you're going to fall. It's a matter of time. Like you're going to rub tires with someone else. You're you're going with right. And fall, you know, someone. Did they take you out? Yeah. So sick of your ass drafting them all the time. Yeah. And, or, like, you know, incident with a vehicle. Yeah. You know, something happens.

22:40 There's a there's a, there's a pothole that, you know, is bigger than the seams or whatever, and you go down. It's a matter of time, right? And a lot of times when you're competitive, you're you're going like 20 miles an hour, 20, 25 miles an hour, right? I mean, if you're, in a bike with, you know, carbon fiber tires and it's just light as hell and.

22:59 Right, right, right. And you're fit, right? Have decent endurance, and you're riding in a backpack and you're like, pacing yourselves. You're you're actually trying to increase. Yeah. You're fucking flying and and, all you have is a stupid little helmet for protection. And a lot of times, like, you know, if you fall on the pavement, you're getting skinned up pretty big, too, like, oh, like if you dump a bike.

23:19 Yeah. Right. Because, like, most people that are riding bicycles aren't clad in leathers and stuff. No. So, you know, that's what we need to start a little biking mafia. But it's bicycle. Yeah, yeah. It's a badass name too, right? I mean, like, something that sounds like it came from the depths of hell. But it's just a bunch of hipster bikers.

23:45 Oh, my mind is racing now. All these different possible names, you know, two, two wheels from hell. Yeah, right. Something, you know, so many options, right? See, now, that would be fun. Like, on our way. It sounds like fun. I love song title anyway. Yeah, yeah. Open that up on our website. Competition? Yeah. 50 bucks for the best.

24:09 The best name for literally, like, leather clad. But you can't. Nothing around. Proud boys will be accepted. It's like if it's racist. No. Yeah, right. We might laugh or chuckle. You got to put parameters around that. So racism is a no. What else should be a no. But what a great thing to do. Like $50 for the person that comes with the absolute best name for literally cycle gang?

24:34 Nope. Not motorcycle cycle. Not motorcycle cycle game. Yeah, yeah. And we're not going to do the the fixed gear bikes like so many people. Okay. We're going to be we're going to exclude the fixed gear bikes and you can ride anything but that. Yeah, it's not the old timey ones with the big front tire and the little back tire.

24:54 You know like and if you want to bring that. Yeah. The mustache. Yeah, yeah. And and you're riding clothes. Yeah. The old, the old fashioned like, the old fashioned, like thin tank top. Yeah. You know, like the weightlifters tank top. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You got, you've got your fake barbell, your mustache, mustachioed waxed face. Gotcha. You know.

25:20 Yeah. If you actually have a mustache wax budget, you're a unique individual, right? There's no doubt when we'd like to talk to you on our podcast. There's so many questions. Yeah. Like, does it leave a little pattern of film on your coffee. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no other questions. It actually is the surface tension actually draw some of it out right.

25:40 Yeah. Yeah. The whole science of it of eating and drinking with it is definitely something we need to explore. If you're a bottom feeder, do you technically wax that ass? And that's what I was wondering too, that that's what you want to go with, that you're going. Yeah. You take to wax that ass. And then on top of that, I love it.

25:55 Not only do we need to worry about the bottom feeders, but.

26:00 Is it does it make it a little more difficult? It's for you. It's not the same as your mustache to go down on the ladies or on the moon. Maybe. Maybe it's just like parks. Like maybe. Yeah, maybe it's like I'm just walks in. Yeah. It's like on the shelf locks in. Yeah. Maybe that. Maybe the handlebars, like, grip for you.

26:19 Yeah. That's funny, but the tires are bad ass on the back. We are. That looks like that was. That looks like a Volkswagen Beetle meets dune buggy meets Tesla. That's totally it. Yeah, but the, the rolling coal pipe coming out of the front. Yeah, that's pretty hilarious. Yeah. It's like it's literally it's literally fueled by wood.

26:44 Like, there's a wood burning stove in the front of the car. It takes me 75 minutes to get my car up to temp, and then I can try to start it as long as possible. You're going to be a work at six. I got up at 230.

26:59 You see the pancakes I in? Yeah, exactly. And the smoked sausage here and the pipe with the, with the wax mustache. Yeah. You know, but yeah, yeah. Can you imagine sitting in the mirror like, for a legitimate time, like applying the wax and getting it to where, like, you know, it's it's meets your satisfaction. I cannot, you know, there'd be a, it's a certain hatch take a certain mentality and well, this entire process, I'm fascinated by the idea of it because it has to take a long time.

27:28 I imagine it's not like get a little wax on a couple of fingers on each hand and it won't get done right. And you know, there's no way that person's a crackhead or a method, because that mustache would have been Scorsese. Oh yeah. Right. Trying to burn your masterpiece. I mean, you know, it's so it probably self-select for even a specific kind of drug user.

27:50 Hey. Oh, yeah. Sure. And you know how, like, certain people, just through their experiences, they like certain things. Like they they pursue certain qualities in a person? Yeah, it's like, you know, so my accent, I said, I'm not going to dog my ex on the podcast, but I just because it's just a fact, it's really not a big deal.

28:06 It's like I'm really not so into blonds anymore. Yeah. Like blonds have kind of been ruined for me. Hey, I understand, and I'm a blond, right? So think of all the psychological damage that's caused, you know? But, I've always said that, Chris, you've transcended just blond. You are your Hitler's wet dream. You're the ubermensch. Hitler's wet dream.

28:28 God damn. I don't know if I want that language in my head when I'm looking in the mirror. I've just started. Buff up, put some seeds in my brain. I don't know if I want growing.

28:42 Oh, yeah. So I can feel good, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. You want to make me feel good? Like. Help me. Help me figure out like pre-diabetes. Help me right now. That'll make me feel good. Yeah, yeah. So how do I be not pre-diabetic? But that's. That's how I feel. Better anyway. You know, so I'm into, like, brunets.

29:07 Especially redhead now, like, you know, dark red. I like that. It's like, yeah, you got you. And I'm partially red green colorblind. So there's something weird happen in there too, but. Oh, no, I just happens to be my preference. Now that's good, that's good. But anyway, so it's not just what color hair. It's all kinds of things.

29:23 Personality, temperament. Right? Right. I mean, absolutely, I mean qualities, all kinds of quality. You know, as a as others have said, you have to have something to talk about while you go get the condoms. Plus, the older you get, the more life encroaches upon, you know, alone time and spending time with each other. You have to be partners.

29:42 You have to work together to get everything done in life. You have to have somebody you can rely on and respect. Absolutely. And so, you know, your preferences change over time. And, you know, some people even like, prefer relationships with persons from the same sex because they do better in those kind of settings. Gregory. Yeah. Then you have people that are like, you know, free for all.

30:04 Just take whatever comes along. That's right. To each their own. Right. Or people who decide they want to take a bunch of what comes along. It's like, well, I'm going to be in a relationship with five people. And if that's what works for them, right? Yeah. Good morning. Well, yeah. Totally. So, it's all just experiential preference in my mind.

30:26 I think most of it is environmental, you know, just through your experiences, your preferences or shapes. Yeah. Yeah. Your experiences, your needs, your examples. So with that being said, you know, it's like group dynamic you know friendships, all these things stem from this like core experiential personality that we all derive. And I read something very interesting apparently.

30:51 They used to like go, you know, you know, that really just detects, volatile chemicals. Yeah. And, friends smell alike. We choose our friends. Yes. Yeah. Partially because if we smell similar. Yes. That's the sense of smell is like, from what I understand, a very primal sense. It's like, hooked right into the olfactory senses, which are then, like, wired close to the brain stem.

31:15 Right. So, like, smell is it gets like right to the core of the brain. Yeah. So I totally can see how that makes sense. And, you know, we're probably not as hyper aware of our, of our smell as, you know, other animals supposedly are. Well, yeah. And you know, and people argue that our sense of smell has been damaged through, the trappings of modernity from us.

31:38 Probably. Yeah. And then also, our environment is different, you know, it's unnatural. More so. And then we are visual species by far. Yeah. Our, our board rate, our, our, high bandwidth optical channels. There you go. The bandwidth of our, you know, ocular senses is by far the biggest, right. Yeah. Biggest section of our brain dedicated and etc., etc., and our sense of smell isn't near as good as the pets.

32:02 We keep going back to that, right? Right. So, you know, think about all these pets and like, you know, the puppy mills and all this kind of like, you know, places where they just euthanize them because there's so many, right? Like the overflow, like, you know, God forbid you're you're you're a, like, what is it called?

32:21 You come out of the womb lottery of pets, and you happen to just have genetically not such a such great curb appeal. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's the cutest one with the big doe eyes and the floppy ears. And how are you doing? You're some kind of like, you know, ugly duckling with your tongue hanging out.

32:36 Yeah, yeah. It's, you're probably headed for the needle. Oh, if you're if you're not already entrenched in some kind of, like, dog family form of that perfect, space of cute ugly. Yeah, sure. You know, she's got the, like, snaggle teeth, and she looks goofy as hell. And. Yeah, I mean, being an ugly pet, you're you're probably.

33:00 You know, your chances aren't as good was put that way is true. But, I mean, I'm just saying such a massive surplus. There's a certain amount of ugly that we can tolerate. And then there's the extreme, like the ugly dog competition where, like the uglier the Chinese crested hairless is, when every year some weird bug eyed dog that's really small, like a teacup, really ugly looking thing.

33:21 That might be the breed you're talking about. I think that's it. That's like Cassandra used to have one. It's like, very common for one of the eyes to be white, milky white, blind it. And it's it's always out. Yeah. And its fur is like always rotten looking. Yeah. And it's got all these, like, warts on it and. Yeah.

33:39 Yeah. It's like if you crossbred, you know, like a, like a, like a dung fly. Yeah. And a dog that's in, in the flies. In the flies. That movie, the fly, that chamber. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how you. Yeah. That's how you produce that thing. Yeah. And some dung tongue flying into. Enjoy. It's somehow through the twisted fate of, like, human interest and sentiments.

34:04 That thing had a genetic avenue. Yeah. Like, what the hell? Oh, right. So strange. I love it, like selective breeding for just filthy, disgusting, you know, looking and listening. It's funny, you said to some people it's not filthy disgusting. It's endearing. Yeah. I think in the human equivalent, you have, like, Alabama. So. Oh. Oh, no. Not that, not that.

34:29 Just Alabama. The problem is, there was morning only the only the only problem down there is the, you know, the hatred in the, the fat, like, the BMI is like, ridiculous. But we have massive BMI problems here anywhere. No, but it's right in the South. It's just more the further south you go, the more intensified. That seems to me.

34:52 It's like North Carolina. Pretty rough. You know, fried cheese balls is like considered a food. Yeah. It's like, I mean, it's pretty delicious. Yeah. So you see, actually like the Midwest, really the. That's true. I'm sure. Many fried manageable. Yeah. Go out in the Midwest. They, you know, cheese curds are huge. Deal. Yeah. Cookout sells the cheese bites.

35:16 Oh, yeah. And, Sue, love those things. You get some. She gets them all the time. I eat one of them. I'll like take one from you know she awesome. I'll, I'll grab one of them and I'm like that's enough. You know you get my baby aspirin. Yeah. Exactly. Let me think an 81 81 milligram aspirin with this.

35:33 But, there's a fucking oh, Culver's has, really good ones, too. And they have a couple of Culver's. You have. You don't share that information with her? No. Okay. Yeah, I, yeah, it's like I will tell. Yeah, it's probably not a good idea to tell the heroin addict where the cheapest heroin is. Oh, she's that bad?

35:55 No, no, but it's a good joke. Puppy. Puppy extended by itself? No. Its owners. I saw its owner nearby. It's. It's one of those. It's one of those, like where the owner loves it. Yeah. And, you can tell by its demeanor, it's like kind of dog. That's okay to be off leash, right? Or not? Isn't that strange how you can tell so much from, like, how even an animal postures itself?

36:20 Oh, yeah. And like how it looks at you. What? Yeah. You know how it assesses you. Yeah, we talked about that before, but just that particular dog right now that we just saw, like I read so much into the way the dog was carrying itself and the way it looked at us, it was like, hey, you know, these guys are interesting.

36:36 But yeah, it's just you can tell that the dog is zero threat. Yeah. Right. And that's it's really interesting how, you know, and it's like, look, I need you keep a distance. Yeah. It's looking at it. Right. How far away are they. Yeah. And it's just so fascinating how through such a small amount of information, so much can be read into that.

36:54 You know, it's probably natural. We all probably have natural instinct to do this because it's like survival, right? Yeah. I mean, we have to read the situation. We have to read it fast. But instantaneously, both of us made the same assessment that this is like a really passive, non-threatening animal, even though it's size. It's a big dog. I mean, yeah, if it attacks, it makes short work of one or both of us.

37:17 No, I can handle animals like I. I've always been not afraid of dogs, like 100%. Yeah. And I would just I don't know, man. I'm like, have a savage threaten me from military and other things. Right? It's just like, I would just kill it. All right. Well, absolutely. I have opposable thumbs. It's a threat. I'm sorry. I'm going to die if it's, like, threatening you and me.

37:37 Like, legit. Yeah. And we're gonna die. I'll try to get away, for sure. But if I had two dogs dead man. Yeah. I mean, you want to find a defensible spot or a place that, you know, you got a rock or something. You grab. Yeah. I mean, but I. We have opposable thumbs. You can just grab it. Yeah, grab it and fling it and smash into the ground, you know, a few times and it's over.

37:57 Yep. You might be hurt, but, Yeah. And you might. You have a good chance of messing up your hands. Yeah. I mean, if it gets some teeth on you, you can do some damage, but, you know, you're faster than the animal. You're more you have more agility and, Yeah, it's just it's weird. There we go. There's the owner of Cool.

38:19 Hey, buddy. Excuse this morning. That dog was happy. He was mad. Reminds me of that song I had. The dog. Is that happy? Happy? Happy to be at all, right? Yeah. Or something. Over. There's, like, two cats and youtubes where the dog is like. Like bouncing up and down, all super jittery and happy. Oh, that's cool. And the owner's, like, singing this cute little happy song.

38:42 Yeah. That dog was seriously in a great mood. He was having the time of his motherfucking life. Yeah, it was. And it's like he's probably looked at every morning, which is so great about dogs know like that joy does not wane, right? Doesn't matter how many times they've had the same treat. It doesn't matter how many times they've walked the same Greenway.

39:02 Yeah. It's got like a, half of a tennis ball sized tumor on its side. And it's like, you know, it's got its blinders, got no teeth, but the tails wagging like crazy. Right? It's loving nothing more than the fact that another day has come. Yeah, they they are a study in, you know how we should be. Yeah.

39:20 Really. It's much it's just they're happy and cats are the exact opposite. Cats are like this. The cats are like a containment area for negativity. Sometimes. But, you know, they're also really loving and cool, too. I'm just saying, you know, you don't get your cat does generally doesn't greet you with, kindness and loyalty. Yeah. If you get the cat with a good temperament and it's got the right amount of, playfulness and the right amount of, like, the ability to actually curl up and sleep and be beautifully, you know, content.

39:54 Yeah. Right. Like that, serene, completely at ease moment for cats. Oh, yeah. If you get a cat that's like, has a good balance of those things to get that. Yeah, very much so. And you see one that uses the cat doors and shits outside. It's so much easier to take care of with that. Yeah. I guess I've heard people say also that's like cruel, but I'm like the opposite.

40:14 What? It's like cruel because there's so many, like, things that can happen outside. Like they can get pecked in the eye by a bird that they're attacking, or they get worms from, you know, if they eat something outside, like a squirrel. And so some people saying it's like not proper to have an indoor outdoor cat, but I'm thinking the opposite.

40:31 I think it's great. I was like, the cat has then some type of, you know, like grandparents playground. Yeah, exactly. My grandparents always had indoor outdoor cats and and also on top of that, you know, outdoor dogs, indoor outdoor dogs. And I'll tell you, some of their dogs really lived a long time. They lived outside. Yeah, totally.

40:54 That's the I was going to mention that the cat that I had that was the longest lived was an indoor 100% indoor outdoor cat. Yeah. And being the cat, I mentioned, the other day, same thing. It was a 100% indoor outdoor cat. And then as it got older, it was more of an indoor cat. Oh, right. But still every day would go outside.

41:11 And it was funny because I remember this like serene sunlight coming in through the trees kind of thing, and the cat sitting in the yard and like, just sitting there. It was almost like the cat had this moment of serenity where it was just taking in the environment. That's cool. And, like I said, body language. You know, we maybe read more into it than it really is because the it's more for the science, you know, for animals and stuff.

41:34 But it really seemed to me as if the cat was like, legitimately. Taking it in, you know? Yeah, I know, it's kind of interesting. It is like how an animal could, like, appreciate the environment. It really does. And I'll say you does the same thing. Yeah. She loves to go outside when it's hot and just hang out.

41:57 So just sun herself. Yeah. Yeah. And, I think that's the mental picture I have of, his little kitten herself, reclining on this red porch my grandparents had. Yeah. So maybe there's something to it. Maybe animals definitely do feel that sense of serenity, of, like, calmness and peacefulness in the environment, you know? Yeah. You know, deprive them of that.

42:18 No I yeah. If I, if I in the space of not knowing I prefer to think of it as they do. Right. Right. But I'm saying you know sure. It's just anecdotal evidence but it makes more sense. They're definitely more primal than we. I mean, why would they need that connection? Yeah. That's good. Probably is. Yeah. I'm sure that, like, in that moment, there's certain types of, you know, chemicals or at least you can feel it can be measured is what I'm getting at.

42:45 Yeah. Oxytocin or whatever the equivalent is. Yeah. If you, if you really like really, really, really. We're set out to prove one way or the other. Right. I think there's probably evidence that can you make that biochemical signature and say, yeah, that cat is actually feeling pretty good. Yep. There you can find it. They're literally feeling serendipitous, you know, really feeling serene with the environment.

43:04 Yeah. You know, here's the there's the chemical proof neural chemical proof thing. Yeah. But then maybe in the process of doing that you undo all all the benefits. Oh that's great. Check this out. Oh wow. There's like literally a tree down in our path. But, Yeah, but but the skilled, mountaineers we are will be able to navigate it.

43:29 Yeah. Well, definitely. And the fact that plenty of other people have already navigated and kind of beaten path for. Yeah. That's funny. First of all, it was first person that can do that. That was the only left. Yeah. And so we were talking about the runoff from the construction site. And we're passing a stream that's like a red clay stream.

43:57 Yep. Now let's also look, I mean, perhaps it with if it runs through bare ground, it's going to run through red clay. Sure. That is a river. Yeah. But, you know, time without humans, certain amount of time went by. I don't think you want. Clear. Yeah, yeah. Good point. Yeah. I mean, things would start to recover. I really do wonder how long it would take the.

44:27 Ecosystem to be measured. The measurably more healthy. I heard one time that, like, it was some tipping point in the early 90s where mankind's net activity sculpted the lithosphere of the Earth more than nature. All of nature's, all natural forces combined. Crazy. Took us that long? I figured it would've been sooner. Well, no. I mean, sooner than the 1990s.

44:50 Well, you got to think of these massive place places in the earth like they were just terraforming to our needs. Yeah, I'm talking from natural process. You know, you have to. You have to imagine these places in the earth where, like, sand dunes, right. Or where chemical and physical weathering is happening on massive scale. Yeah. Right. And so then the idea that that the net impact of human activity would sculpt the surface of the Earth more than that is amazing.

45:16 It is. You know, I don't know how you properly measure that, but, supposedly. Well, they may have taken this to around the 90s to probably measure it. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, combine it with satellite data and all kinds of other. Yeah, evidential pieces of information. And it's probably it it's all these disparate, you know, fields and experts coming together to, kind of come up with some digestible data.

45:43 Yeah. So you can imagine, you know, all of the net effect of human, you know, every, what is it? Bucket loader and and bulldozer. Right. Crane was crane up right here? Yeah. All these earth moving, you know, and Earth shaping, forces collectively around the whole world, you know, the industrial output of that alone is just insane to think about, you mean.

46:07 Right. And so, Yeah. So now human beings are the primary architects of the lithosphere greater than nature. Now, if one supervolcano goes off, I think that'll tip it back in the balance of nature. But, hey, yeah, that doesn't. But that doesn't happen very often. Thankfully. Thankfully, the Ring of Fire isn't easily perturbed. Right? As far as we know.

46:30 Yeah. You know, it's funny. There's so many things like that that are like you can cite as this is the norm, but then it isn't until it isn't. Right. Add a little caveat. Gotta add the asterisks to the end of that qualifier. Yeah, exactly. I mean, because we don't live on a geological time scale. Exactly. And so we don't have that kind of memory.

46:50 Yeah. You can even when we write things down and we talk about, you know, eclipses or, you know, comets that happen every couple of hundred years. It's still it's not within the domain of one human life. Right? Right. You know, a hundred years. So we don't add that into our calculus, right? Yeah. We don't think about it.

47:09 We don't have. It's hard for us to have that long term vision. Yeah, sure. So, like, when Yellowstone National Caldera supervolcano erupts or whatever. Yeah. I think nature would then have the net balance for, you know, stopping the move there. Yeah. Supposedly, like, you know, the the magma ejections reach space. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. And all kinds of other, you know, scales against the scales that we can't comprehend.

47:41 Right. Wow. You know, the visible through every point in the earth. Wow. Because the globe wraps around the entire Earth, the volcano we visited. And, it's called, Arizona. It's not yet extinct. It's like one year away from being classified as extinct. Gotcha. It's like, not erupt for like, 150 years or something. Yeah. So you can imagine, you know, mourning.

48:10 So you can imagine, like, and yeah, I guess what I was going to say, it's conical shaped because, you know, those magma ejections you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. If it shoots it up high enough, it's cold by the time it hits you up in a in a township. Oh, wow. That's crazy. That's really be interesting to see.

48:30 Yeah, that this superheated rock from the depths of the earth manages to cool down before it hits the ground again. That's crazy. It's like a pumice. Yeah. It's got, like, the igneous rock. It's so impregnated with volcanic gas, it floats. And it's like, strange of these odd property and and all this strange stuff. Occasionally problematic. Yeah. All this weird stuff.

48:53 Yeah. A liquid can't be magnetic, right? Oh, I'm saying we're they harden. Oh, right. Because certain certain ones of the rocks will be magnetic. Gotcha. Yes. It's the crystalline structure they harden into. Yeah, yeah. So remember like we're talking about ugly dogs and like unwanted unwanted pets. Yeah. Well sometimes sometimes and I'm sure you've encountered this too. Is that people have someone will have a pet.

49:18 And that pet will become unwanted, by either the family or by others. And so they'll, like, rehome the pet, quote unquote, which is just, you know, not a nice term for getting rid of some funny. It's like some parents sometimes really want to rehome certain children. I've also heard people say, rehome the husband and keep the dog.

49:39 Yeah. There you go. There you go. So that joke's already been made. Okay. Darn. Someone else made me do it. That's that's okay, though, because every joker. You probably possibly think that I came up with creativity and novelty. It has been done right? Right. But, what makes it novel is the context of it. There you go.

49:54 There you go. Thanks. You saved me from that. Thank. You're the bearer of bad news. And then you can't give me the cure. It's like you've made the sickness and then had the treatment. There we go. It's like, wow, you're like American enterprise. Oh, Oh, I love that. So you remember the guy from, like, oh, let me finish the pet idea, and then I'll get into this other idea.

50:18 But, you know, there is this dog. I'll just tell it from the story perspective, people. My story is, there's this dog and it was named Luigi, which was, short for Luigi. No, no, there was a boy named Elijah who was like a country song. All right. And this girl I was dating had this dog named Elijah, which is short for Elijah.

50:39 Okay. Yeah. Right. Really stupid name, but it was a cocker spaniel and cool name. I just cool name. Well, like G, right? Yeah. But that, you know, things just happen with names. Okay, well, here we go back into preferences. Right. So now like through my experience or data, I'm not a big fan of proper state. Oh I'm not either one.

51:00 Used to one of my friend's cocker spaniels growing up named freckles would run up the stairs and try to hunt my face. Yeah. What about you? See? Okay, so there you go. So experiential data shapes our preferences. Yeah. And so, I'm just not that big of a fan for the breed. I'm not. I'm not so into their temperament, but obviously some people love them.

51:23 See people with the sticker on their back car, you know, love my quirky or love my, cocker spaniel. Anyway. Right. And, my friend Chris had a cocker spaniel that wasn't so bad, and it was named Corky. Okay, so that's where that came from. Random. But, yeah, one of my best Charlie Brooker spaniel. Yeah. So, the mom was like a, like a hippie mom, like, in a kind of Southern California kind of way.

51:52 Okay, so she was like, right here in freckles and had like that California kind of mentality. Love the water. Love to be in a swimsuit. Yeah. Right. Right. And, it could work. Could rocket here. Okay. Really friendly. Nice person. But, the dog was like, on his period. It was a female dog. And, she tried to put a tampon on the dog.

52:14 Okay. Right. And Chris was telling me about it. I had to slap fat on that. So I tried to put a tampon in the dog. No way. Yeah, like a small one. Oh, wow. Apparently their sizes. Okay. And the dog just just would have nothing. Well, I mean, yeah, I don't totally understand why the dog would have nothing to do with something shoved up it to,

52:35 Yeah. It doesn't have the intellectual like it doesn't have any parameters around it that it can understand. It's just like something's inside of it. Yeah. It's like, this doesn't feel good, right? Probably does. No. Yeah, sure, sure. It's abrupt and disruptive. I want to tell you, make a joke about checking your wife while you're running, but I'll leave it.

52:55 There's so much to talk about. What are you gonna say? Go ahead. The joke. I think the one check in his watch. That dude wasn't really checking the time. Oh, you might be looking. You know he's not. How far have I run today? Come on. There's an etiquette with everything, right? And it's like the runner who's jogging in place, waiting for the crosswalk at the intersection, checking the parking at there.

53:17 Yeah. Okay. Right, right. I mean, on a modern day smartwatch. Could be know you could be for sure. No doubt you could be. But what I'm saying is that the etiquette is right. So, like, be concerned with the time. Like your pace. Right. Sure. There's just an etiquette with everything, and the etiquette causes people to just do all these little things compulsory for sure.

53:41 Like at the exact time that guy didn't want to interact with us. He's an introvert to some extent. And so he checked his watch right as he walked by so he didn't have to interact, so he didn't have to greet us, right? Right. Like, you know, when people were looking at their cell phones mindlessly, you know, we talked about that before where they're not really on their cell phone.

53:59 They're just, you know, playing as if something is important. Right? Because they don't want to chance a random encounter. Right? Exactly. Exactly right. And so then also like using it as a prop, like like the person with the cigaret ashing the cigaret. And you know, the mannerisms that are associated with how you smoke it, how you hold it between two fingers and even if you hold it backwards, yeah, it cupped in your hand.

54:26 There's an interplay between, you know, single serving friends in the airplane. Now, there you go. With, with phones now, too, every now and then, like, if you're actually having a good conversation with someone on a plane, I've been on them quite a damn few times, the last few years. There's usually when there's a lull in the conversation, there's like a compulsory phone time.

54:49 Right, right, right. And then, you know, and sometimes the phone time, we'll we'll we'll break into full phone time and break the conversation. Yeah. And then but a lot of times you'll drift back into conversation, right. Then you'll drift back into your phone time. Totally. Right. Like I said, there's mannerisms and there's etiquettes built around on the stuff, like so, for example, people feel if you give people Sharpie markers and they're find themselves in a bathroom stall, you'll see more markings on that bathroom wall right than you would if you didn't issue Sharpie markers.

55:21 Right. So like someone comes into your bar and in your bar, you have this thing where, everyone's going to leave a note on a napkin and it goes into a bin, and then and then in that bin, it's like a scanner. And it puts the remarks that people set up on the big screen. Right. And they do that as a shtick to try to make their bar stand out in some way.

55:40 Right. Elaborate thing, just making this up fly. Right. It's very elaborate. And so everybody gets a Sharpie marker as part of their, you know, a very sturdy non bleed napkin for your Sharpie mark. Yeah. No, it's like a coaster. Right. Okay. All right. Use like the back of a coaster. And, you continue to use the coasters.

55:59 Yeah. Then like, you give everyone that comes in a blank coaster. Right. And you catalog what's all in said coasters after people use them, they're using those, correct? Yeah. Those are your coasters. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And, you just use it as a stick for your bar. Yeah. You know, and, what I'm getting at is now everybody has a Sharpie marker.

56:20 It's like they get issued as part of their cover charge through this bar. Right. Or you can absolutely guarantee with 100%. Good morning. You can actually guarantee you 100% certainty that you're going to get much more writing on the bathroom stall walls in that bar than you would in a normal place at a bar where they didn't issue Sharpies.

56:39 One of the two, right? Why did you really famous, you know, Chicago pizza places in Chicago? I think it's Geno's, encourages that every freaking inch of this place is covered in some kind of graffiti. Not just the stalls, like, you know, as as well the walls up to the damn top of the ceiling. Yeah. So, like, some drunk bastard was teetering on top of a chair to get there.

57:05 They get the tallest, probably. And that's, Yeah, that's a disaster waiting to happen. No doubt is the first thing I blame. Betting. Yeah, they were smart. They filled in the dangerous places themselves. I love it. They hired like a specialist. Yeah, to fill those in. Could you imagine? Like you're hired by Disney or you're hired by somebody.

57:29 And, like, your job is to make what looks like street graffiti, like, fake in, you know? Yeah. Sanctioned places. Yeah. Because if it's already covered. That's funny. Hey. How you doing? Morning. If it's already covered, it's already covered. Then people would probably be less likely to mess with it. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And you've covered it in something you're okay with, right?

57:54 Right. Exactly. Yeah. I'm thinking that's the idea behind all these murals in Charlotte. Right? So. So, there's one place that was getting some graffiti in the bathrooms. So what they decided to do is put, like, butcher paper up, like mountain with tape. So give people a place to draw. Yeah, literally encourage it. You know, and then take the panels down and replace it from time to time.

58:19 You keep the graffiti off the. Yeah, keep the graffiti off the, you know, actual stall. Yeah. But you know, what's going to happen with that? To be experienced like a mess, all kinds of shit on there. And these are probably gonna be wiping actual shit on it. Yeah, it's going to be gross, but that way, like, you can have it, you can have a high, degree of probability that it's going to be pretty fucking gross.

58:42 Yeah, yeah. Which is okay. Yeah. I mean, you you don't have that writing on your walls now. All right? And maybe it's easier to, like, throw away a piece of butcher paper than it is to, clean. Yeah. You know, anyway, I just saw that that was their solution. I mean, it was it was funny. It's a neat one.

59:00 And, I mean, the solution of just letting people do it is also another one. Yeah. No, it's so interesting how, like, these props and these, it's almost like it's almost like a gin, you know, like a, like a, like an invading spirit, you know, so like when you give person certain props, it invokes all these ideas, you know, about that, what they can do with it, what they're going to do with it.

59:25 Yes. How the space shapes what they're going to do with it, how it modulates their actions. That's right. And so that carries so deep into combinatorics. Right. So like the buffet of, of items in interactive, interactive balls in your environment will like almost invoke a spirit of how you to how you are to interact with that environment.

59:47 Yeah. Like so you're going to act completely differently. If you're in. Oh, and the virtual spaces just make that compounded even further. Oh yeah. Because you start thinking about it as an open world virtual space that I can't really mess up. I can just decorator customize. Yeah. And and that most likely isn't going to bring out if especially if you're anonymous isn't most likely going to bring out the best in, you know, it's going to be like, let's be honest, the graffiti they found in Pompeii, you know, where it's like, you know, blah, blah, blah, is that good horror for $0.10 or whatever it it's, it's.

1:00:26 Like, that was before massive inflation. Right? Right. Or you know, that was before massive inflation of a volcano. They even found things like vote for so-and-so and things like that. And Pedro. Right. But yeah, there's all kind of the graffiti in Pompeii is just totally interesting. It's a time capsule of those things. Right? But people's creative output in the moment.

1:00:53 Yeah. So like that trash can right there has graffiti on it. And what did the person that put that graffiti on there accomplish. Like they tagged it with their little like really wild way of writing letters. Yeah. Like it means literally nothing to me. But they tagged it. The tagging is, probably has a psychological feeling of ownership.

1:01:17 Oh, like a dog pissing everywhere on top of other dogs. Space, right, I see, yeah, except as human beings, like you said, we're visual instead of smell oriented, right? We don't smell the piss. Beautiful. Beautiful. Tired, right? We can see the graffiti written over the other graffiti. Yeah. And so Enzo, you know, is the most recent, you know, territorial pissing at that place back there.

1:01:39 Yeah, exactly. So Enzo owns this fucking track where we're at to tip our hat, pay sensible homage, you know. Yeah. To to Enzo.

1:01:49 We admire your balls and creativity. You know that. Enzo is, like, our number one listener. And he's like, yes, yes, yes, it's working. Yes. He's like, I put the sign out for them. They saw it, I knew it, I knew it, I knew their perception was greater than the rank and file of humans. Predictable pigs. This guy. Yeah.

1:02:09 Fuck this one. Yeah, yeah. Not. Let me stop listening today. I'm not listening to this shit anymore. Back to Joe Rogan. Yeah. If we could only do that service for people. Morning, Spotifys. Cashed out, right? Right. Okay. Yeah. It's like, Yeah. I'm not a fan of his show, but I'm never. I've never listened to it.

1:02:35 I can't say, but my, over the weekend, I was talking to my friend David, and he was saying that it seems like Joe Rogan's format or his, his approach in general is just agree with whoever he has on. Just keep them talking. And because a lot of times they'll just get he'll get shut down, he'll get trashed by.

1:02:55 And he doesn't care to keep their talking trash me all day long. Make me a multi-millionaire podcaster. Yeah, I mean, come on. And that's ultimately the idea, right? He, you know, anytime his ego catches a hit, he's just like, money, money, money. Well, why would you why would you take taking ego? Hey. Yeah. I'm sorry. You have somebody on there who's a subject matter expert and something like you have Neil, you're talking to Neil deGrasse Tyson about astrophysics, right?

1:03:21 You're not going to keep up with that man, right? It doesn't matter how much you study. You say something stupid and he, you know, claps you for it. Like, you know, he brings you back to reality and basically uses more than a word to call you and dumb ass, right? Who cares? That's his fucking field of expertise, right?

1:03:36 And you should yield to that. You know? I mean, I think, but there's a certain there's a certain thing there to say, you know, I have to that had to take some practice. Hey there, spook. You got that on regarding. Took some practice. Hey, this poop that takes some practice, you know, I mean, to to kind of put your ego aside and say, you know, for the good of this podcast.

1:03:58 Oh, I think it's an individual personality, like, I would, you wouldn't think this massive roid it out looking dumb ass would have that kind of introspection. But he is a comedian. Yeah, well. Well, maybe, also that he's been, wrong so many times that he maybe just starts to settle into the reality of the situation. It's like, look, I'm not even going to study about this.

1:04:20 I'm just going to say whatever the hell I'm going to say, and they're going to keep talking. Well, he was even like, you know, moon landing conspiracy person and all that kind of stuff. So he's had egg on his face many times, but, you know, he he also shows the capacity to, to like, rethink things and change, which is admirable.

1:04:40 Yeah. Which is a quality that we all should hope to have, you know. Absolutely. And, I think he, he's, he's made himself to be malleable. He can adapt. He can. I have to admit, Sean, like, I don't want to brag, but I'm like the fucking master of that shit. I think soluble and adaptable. I think you are to some extent as well.

1:04:57 If someone brings me information that I wasn't aware of. Yeah, like, I have no problem synthesizing that new information, right? Right. And, you know, I might give you some pushback and I might ask you some questions about it, but hey, if if it shows me that I'm wrong about something, why not? Yeah, I'm not going to be like some guy just says, yeah, there's God, I can tell you for sure.

1:05:17 Right? Can we'll do a carpet cleaning once again, we're like, this whole thing is just working for his business. It's funny. Yeah. So it's not. It can't just be something anecdotal. It can just be like, there's a god. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I never thought of that. You're right. Just an open declaration, right? Yeah. That's changed my mind.

1:05:41 Yeah. But if somebody like I remember specifically the gun debate way back in the day when I was in high school, I had one teacher, I think I told you the story for maybe I had one teacher that, like, convinced me easily that guns are fine. And like, you know, we have we should have the right period. Yeah, yeah.

1:06:00 And I was like, yeah, yeah, you know, we should have the right. Yeah. And then I was discussing it with another teacher and they convinced me completely the other way around. Right, right. It just shows you also too, the plasticity of the young mind, a young mind. And you know how you can say, well, you know, I had conviction here, but now if I conviction is moved to this side because and you can parrot that back, you know.

1:06:27 Yeah. So what it did really at the end of the day was it aggravated me because I, I, for the first time in my life, realized that I have no real idea about the state. Right. And since I have no real idea, I like have to absorb the idea from others. And that's that's most of the time what we're doing.

1:06:45 I mean, we don't have time to independently derive a concerted opinion on everything. We get our opinions from the people we grow up with, our church, our political party or whatever. Right. And, see, I'm in a different stage in my life, like, and as an adult, you've challenged all of those things. You were initially handled well, many of those things.

1:07:08 Yeah. There's so many that I've accepted the default opinion on. Probably most of thing. Well, yeah. Good point. I've just probably challenged more than most. There we go. You know, but, you did. You do yourself a disservice if you don't build your own philosophy. You're just accepting wholesale whatever back on the fringes you were given. Right. And that's exactly what we're doing with Nova Scotia, is that we're like taking topics one by one and doing a critical analysis of it and leaving with a broader understanding.

1:07:36 Makes sense. Last week was episode 150, by the way. Cool. That's awesome. That's a lot. That's a good milestone. 150 yeah, that's a lot of bullshit. Yes, man. That represents 300 hours. Not counting my prep time. Well, yeah, your prep time. I can't in that. So prep time is probably on average four hours. Okay. So you do the math on that.

1:07:59 It's 600 hours of just prep. I add another 300 hours of the actual conversation. Right. Might as well edge it out to a thousand. Yeah. Oh definitely with the periphery stuff as well. So I'm looking at probably a total. Yeah, somewhere around 1000 hours. Yeah. For 45. Okay. Yeah. Thousand hours. Definitely. It's a lot of time. Yep.

1:08:28 And, you know, I would reckon that I have probably had some serious growth out of those South hours. And that's what I've said before about whatever you were saying. Well, I'm thinking about shutting it down. I was like, well, think about all the things it's actually doing for you. Even if you just do all the prep and no one shows up right?

1:08:45 Yeah. If I want to be a true intellectual, I think I have to hone my, do do more on the body side. Like I have all these plenty of outlets for intellectual, all right, college classes, conducting my own, you know, doing podcasts, conducting my own intellectual discussion. So sort of the discussion. Right, right. What's the other thing?

1:09:07 Right. I still do tutoring, still do all that fun stuff, So when you lump all that in, I spend a lot of time you crave doing something framework. Yeah, yeah. So I need to put in the body work, I think. And, you know, I was talking to one of my friends at work on Friday, Scott. Nick.

1:09:25 And we were talking about how some of the best technology people, some of the best i.t people, some of the best troubleshooters we know have hobbies that are in some ways complementary but divergent, definitely. Like, you know, so every hiker or something. Yeah. We were both talking about the best i.t. People we know happened to be mechanics.

1:09:48 Oh, there's definitely that. That 100% makes sense. I mean, totally in the same brain house, right? Yeah. All right. Brain stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's in the same, you know, side of the hemispheres of the brain, but also, you know, it's it reinforces that whole thinking about systems troubleshooting, diving into why something doesn't work and also if you're fixing something on your own car, generally you're trying to do it with whatever you have available right?

1:10:16 Yeah, there's definitely like, the brain body tie in is like really important if you want to really, really succeed in something intellectually you have to be doing something physical as well. Yes, no doubt about it. Because, you know, you're giving your you're built, you're giving the supporting platform to your brain. Exactly. And also you're giving a chance for whatever you're doing, these other activities, giving a chance for your basal ganglia to crank on problems that you've been trying to figure out.

1:10:45 You're giving a chance for what's right, and you're practicing something whether you know it or not. Like so. Like if you could be practicing being a being a sleazeball, right? You can get practice being a lazy scumbag, right? You know, the more you practice that, the better you'll get at it through. So the question is, what do you want to be good at?

1:11:03 Right. You know, and and like it. Security is such a broad domain. Yeah. You have to you have to specialize. You're going to be specialized. And then you have to generalize. Sometimes and specialize. Oh yeah. Right. And in order to do that I think we should talk about that sometime that cycles of generalization and specialization and how it really does help your career, I think.

1:11:24 Yeah. Like you can be a very unsuccessful jack of all trades and master of none. Sure. You know very easily you can be capable, very competent, be able to do almost anything. But since you've never specialize, you don't command the money that you know. That's it, that's it. You know, the specialist commands the the dollars, the specialist commands the dollars, and also the specialist.

1:11:44 That's one of the ways you gain cachet, respect, and, connection. Yeah. So like the general practitioner physician, you know, makes, let's say, 230,000 a year for the brain specialist that focuses on a very particular type of tumor and operating on it and removing it looks 85 programs. People go and do something for sure, $500,000 a year. Yeah, traveling all over the country, right.

1:12:09 Holding classes and this and that. There you go. And, you know, overall, the general practitioner might be doing more good, right? But, the the value is with specialist. Yeah. We could talk about that. Some talk about tomorrow. Do it. You should set tomorrow's topic. Yes. Yeah. So, anyway, the final conversation I want to tell you about this cocker spaniel.

1:12:33 Circling back to that is, let's let's cross the street. Maybe avoid that barking dog. I heard it from my way back here again. It's out. Anyway, there's this dog, Weijie, and, I hated that thing. Dog was just a piece of shit. Tried to nip at me multiple times. Right. That's us. And, he just didn't have a good temperament, you know?

1:12:57 And that was the dog I was telling you about the time they ate all those hot dogs and made it like a mountain of shit that, like. Oh, yeah, it was like, looked like the mountain of shit was equal to the volume of the dog. It's like, how is that possible? And that was that same dog. Okay. So I had a long relationship with this dog because I was, this is this is like one of the first ones that I had.

1:13:13 A girl was dating, and, we were together for quite some time anyway, so I had a long term relationship and a dog. One day they were over my place, and, I heard something like, what is that? Someone in my house. All right, so I, like, go downstairs, like, with the, you know, metaphoric baseball bat. Yeah.

1:13:30 And, turn on the lights. And the dog had knocked over the trash and gotten the chicken bones. All right. And so I go to, like, sweep the trash up with my hand and, like, you know, put the trash together. The dog sniffs at me and growls, it's not old. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I grabbed a towel that was right there.

1:13:45 It was a full sized towel, swung it around its neck and wrapped it up and lifted up in the air, like a hangman's noose. Jesus would stare in the eye while snarling and saying, oh, yeah, you know, you think you're better than dude. It's like showing it. Who's charge? Who's in charge? Okay, sure. That's a little rough.

1:14:00 It was a little rough, but, you know, things try to bite me, right? All right. So, you want to take it down a notch? Yeah. And it wasn't, like, tight around his neck. It was just holding it. You got it? Yeah. You probably shouldn't hold an animal around the neck, but, But, hey, it stopped it snarling and attacking you.

1:14:15 Yeah, that was just more my temperament of the time. And so with the other free hand, I, you know, I didn't hold it in the air. I put it back down quickly. I just, like, lifted it up like. Oh yeah. And then put it back down. Yeah. And then while I was restraining it, I picked up the trash.

1:14:27 Yeah, right. But I took it back upstairs and, you know, told the girls in what was just happening, all that stuff. I cleaned it all up and whatnot, but it was annoying. Anyway, I heard later on we broke up down the road. Yeah, way down the road. And later I was talking to this girl and she told me the fate of that dog.

1:14:45 Oh, shit. Yeah, there's killer, but of course, we're far away now, and so it won't be abrupt and disruptive. Our podcast. So hot dog, we went up anyway, just prior planning has defeated you. Here is the gruesome fate. I made you the cocker spaniel. What happened to live? It was out in the yard playing around granite. The mother?

1:15:06 Yeah, the mother was like a real hippie. And like the dog was. They had this big field in the back and the dog was able to, like, free run and, you know, had it had everything. Yeah. I built the dog house is a beautiful dog house. Cool. I had built it. They they'd asked me to build one.

1:15:20 No problem. So I built the dog house, and it was killer like beautiful dog house. Like. So the dog had this awesome dog house field, the frolic in, right? Yeah. It had the life of Riley named Elijah. They had the life of you. Okay. Anyway, the dogs running around, and it was it was it love? Her mom.

1:15:40 Okay. Loved her mom. Like, we always, like, jump up on its hind legs and freak out, do spins and stuff, right? And, the mom was there, and the mom got in her, station wagon and was backing out, and and and the guy, Red Ryder, need the back tire. Oh, and we're slow pressed. She was backing out slowly, trying to look to see make sure she didn't hit the dog, and she slowly killed it.

1:16:06 And so she slow rolled the dog and, like, that was one one and done. It wasn't just like, like injured. It was like literally squashed. Squished. Yeah. And so that was the, that was the that was the, the, tragic fate, and honestly, I had like, very small compassion. So, you know, I was like, yeah, that sucks.

1:16:30 Sorry to hear that. But in my mind I'm like, you know, good riddance. Yeah, that's I screwed like, damn. The dog in my mind was just a piece of shit. Oh, damn. It was like, at all. I love dogs that are well disciplined, highly trained, highly disciplined. I love like, when I had those two pets when I was a kid, those two German shepherds, they were like heel.

1:16:50 And they come right, like running to your heel and sit down right at your heel. Yeah. I mean, they were like trained up to a team, you know, sit boom. Instantaneously. Sit. I mean there's a certain joy in that, but there's also a certain joy. And I think, you know, hey, if I can get them well-behaved enough, I want them to have some personality.

1:17:10 Oh definitely. The combination is the best right. But those dogs would be like barking or something. Yeah. Hush boom instantly. That's awesome. It's not bark like they followed. They followed every command to a tee. Right? That was a dog that you can have off the leash 100% because he'd just be like, come and they'd instantaneously come to you.

1:17:28 That's cool. Yeah. And we taught them maybe like 50 total commands. I mean, they they were really highly trained and very smart. Yes. Like they'd do the whole power roll over everything, all those cute tricks. Yep. And we'd play fetch with them and everything. And they were just. Yeah, they were. They're beautiful dogs. They're so responsive. And I love that kind of dog behavior.

1:17:49 The kind of dog where it just doesn't listen to you. And, you know, it's never been trained is not my cup of tea. Yeah. I mean, my dog somewhere in the middle, she'll do something. It's some tricks and everything. You know, she has a little bit of problem with barking, but you get her pretty quickly to be quiet.

1:18:05 She'll. She'll leave it. She'll, you know, so she'll leave stuff alone. But I wouldn't put her off leash. And this leggy dog had this, like, really terrible kind of group dynamic thing. If I was the only one with the dog, it was like my friend, you know, but as soon as, as soon as she came around and my girlfriend came around, it was like, who are you?

1:18:23 You know, same mentality. And then I'm like, bitch, we were just. Yeah, we were just. We're just we were just kicking it. And now she comes in the room and I'm. I'm chopped liver, you know? Hell no. Well, she was always the one giving it the treats, right. Yeah. So the loyalty factor was, irritating to me as well.

1:18:40 Like most things about this dog's temperament and personality was just irritating. It sounds like it. It's like the kind of things I don't like. And dogs kind of all culminated into one dog. Damn. Like I'm really a kind of. How dare you nip at me? Kind of. Oh, you know, human, I don't take that well at all. Yeah, I do not.

1:18:58 I'm not interested in dogs that nip that in me or children. No, I try to nip that in the bud. The kind of dog is like a golden retriever where, like, the kid is like pulling on the fur, pulling on its face, clawing at it. And the golden terrier is like, no, everything's cool, you know? It's like the best dog man.

1:19:17 I love that temperament. Yeah, like not saying a dog that can take abuse. I'm talking about like. Right. There's no way in the treatment of that dog. Oh, no matter what, it's not going to do that. Yeah. It's not going to eat the kid's face. Yeah. It's not guarding a marijuana patch. Yeah. Right. Right. Not picking a golden retriever to guard a bear.

1:19:34 Want to pay for a Labrador retriever? No. You know no, because your we'll be gone. Yeah. And I have nothing to do with the dog. The dog will just watch. Someone will wag their tail while someone's cultivating your weed. Right? Yeah, yeah. And if they come by and pet, it is good. So, the last thing that I'll tell you for today is, where this whole middle one patch idea comes from is that, that.

1:19:58 That's funny. I usually turn my ringer off, and I thought I had. Anyway, there was literally a headline that I saw years and years ago and, you know, we were talking about, like, six sense of humor him. Right? It was like baby killed by Pitbull while guarding marijuana patch. Oh, God. Right. And two, two things made me laugh, right?

1:20:20 First of all, the baby guarding the mirror. That. Right? Right. The the word use was a little odd. It could be construed that the baby was the one guarding the daycare. Right? And second of all, like, the surreal, grouping of those words. Yeah, right. Like baby killed by Pitbull while guarding marijuana patch. You know, it's like, is there another way to say that headline?

1:20:44 I would think there would be. And the idea that a baby would die because there was a animal guarding a marijuana patch is just like, so like some of their alternate universe to me. Yeah, that I it made me laugh in a completely off disgusting way. Well, yeah, it's just not it's not a situation. It's easy for us to manage or internalize.

1:21:07 I mean, were they living at the marijuana patch and then said baby was let loose? I mean, so the headline couldn't have been worded better, actually, because the I remember it to this day, it sounds like it did a good job of all the hundreds of thousands of headlines I've seen. Right. The the author of that headline, it's like probably borderline genius.

1:21:27 I think the only one that I remember that is a little weird. It is, Local doctor investigates rectal vaginal fistula or fistula. Yeah. Official investigates. Yeah. And I was like, what? Why? Well, if a child comes up with a finger down there, you'd probably investigate. Yeah. No doubt. And, you know, the the hey, you know, you've got that muscle wall between the, the intestines and the, and the vaginal area or something like that.

1:22:07 You know, you definitely gas and shit or passing between the two. I mean, it's a bad situation. Yeah, well, we'll save that. We'll put a pin in that one, because there was a story just brought up to my mind that is like, has to be recorded. Oh, man. And how that brings out a story is a story in and of itself.

1:22:27 So anyway, that's enough for today.