0:00 Just hang out for a few hours and then pick her up. I wonder if we can get by this house without killer attacking us like tiptoe, or if they have it inside. Some days. Yeah, probably. It's like maybe a little rainy inside. Yeah, it must be.

0:21 So I realize, like a knowledge gap that I have in my life. Right? Is like plants, right? Like, I get the basics, you know? So water, you know. Right. No problem to get, you know, but whatever it comes to, like, identifying them, using them, that kind of thing. Yeah, I did them is of course, like, you know, you gotta have some knowledge there.

0:41 But, you know, there's an app on your phone, you know, you identify the plants. But, you know what else they're like, why do they. All of a sudden like grow really. Well you know like all that kind of stuff. You gotta really know all that. And my mom just over the greenhouse and was really into finance and I mean she loved them before she was but I don't know, she would when we would walk in the woods or go hiking or whatever, she always tell us what different things were.

1:09 I can see some degree like a plant warship kind of mentality, you know, because it's like there's the, the, the, bottom line producers of all life, right? Yeah. It's like, so I can see, like, some joy in plants. Yeah. Also like the spirit of gardening, you know, you plant a garden, you're kind of a future thinking person, and, well, it's hopeful.

1:31 It also seems as though it would cultivate more patience. Nice. Cultivate like that? Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? I mean. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like like, you know, the the the the water cycle for your plan. So like how, you know, exactly like how to water them. You know, each plant properly, right. Is you know, each each plant would, would want its own exact type of soil.

1:56 You know, just like, just like biodiversity and other species. Yeah. Carnivores. Omnivores. Right. Right. They prefer different kinds of things. Well plants would too. And you know there's like such certain flowers have like, like magnitudes more DNA than humans. Yeah. Isn't that crazy. It's so bizarre to to to think about that. Like, why would a plant take so much energy, right.

2:23 Involves so much energy to preserve such elaborate DNA. It is, you know, a lot more energy to copy it and to propagate it. And it could also be similar to how we acquire junk DNA through viruses and, you know, other things like that. Maybe, maybe, maybe also they have like layers of this digital from being around for so long like.

2:51 Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe like or maybe actually all that stuff actually maybe more of it in codes than we understand. Yeah. Yeah, maybe, maybe there's maybe there's a complexity level to the plants that are much higher than we realize. That. Isn't aioli possible? I would not put that past or oversimplifying something, completely mischaracterizing it, and then having to come back later and say, oh yeah, I would that.

3:18 Yeah. I mean, the biomass of the earth is still like predominantly like by magnitudes, right? Oh, plants, despite our best efforts, despite effort. Yeah. It's almost like if if humans were all to vanish tomorrow, I don't think it would take long for plants and nature just grow over, you know, us, whatever remaining footprint we had. Right. It was a farcical series.

3:42 But you. Did you ever watch A Life After People on the History Channel? No, I didn't want to, but it rings a bell, like. Like I think I was aware of it. Okay, well, that's the idea, right? Yeah, it's exactly what you're saying. And, I mean, it was such a satisfying thing to watch. What was it like? Maybe.

4:00 Let me guess. They kind of like CGI time lapse cities being grown over, decaying, but it was a spotlight. Certain things in the city. Okay. Sure, sure. So it'd be like a major city like Louisville, Kentucky, and they'd be like, all right, so Fort Knox isn't what it used to be. Fort Knox isn't there. Sure. And like all your skyscrapers, like the shell would remain with the windows over time, would get bashed out because of hail hailstones?

4:26 No. What happens is it's like a thin skin. Yeah, yeah. And the thin skin falls after, like, 50 years. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Because, you know, it does require maintenance. Yeah. Everything has entropy. And so they said, you know, after 50 years, boom, skyscraper is done. Oh, okay. They just start falling and just started showing them falling, you know, and it's like, hey, you know, they would spotlight certain ones in certain cities.

4:53 And, with Fort Knox, they were like, really? They're like, it doesn't exist like it used to. It is in a vault in the ocean. Okay. And they show you, they pivot to the vault in the ocean, and they show you how it would degrade over time and where it would be gone. And. Yeah, sure. So everything would.

5:10 Entropy. Yeah. Right. Like. Yeah. Are they talking about some concrete how everything slowly breaks down and the way it breaks down? Okay. That's cool man. I think that's, like, you know, rebar impregnated steel, you know, in certain structures with lasts quite a long time. Oh, well, I'm sure we still have concrete from the Romans that, you know, untouched.

5:31 And I imagine, you know, the structures themselves will last forever. Oh, nearly. But, yeah, it was kind of super coated, like steel beam, you know, it was going to last a long time. Right. But but it was just interesting that the facade wasn't going to last all that long. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. I mean, the facade, they do quite a bit of maintenance.

5:52 Sure. Every skyscraper. I'm sure it's maintenance. A massive maintenance plan by regulation, for sure, because the consequences of it not being maintained properly or are, you know, you don't want you don't want pieces of buildings falling on people. Right. You know, city cities probably wouldn't function as well if that was the case.

6:13 It's funny. So, you know, the big thing in TikTok everywhere. You know, Twitter, the whole social media universe right now is abortion, right? I don't want to talk about it. Well, I was going to say I have a friend, Lindsay, who started listening to our podcast who would like to join and speak about her views on it.

6:37 Okay. Okay. With that, we have a guest for sure. Yeah. And, the three person dynamic might need a different format. Like, you might need to go to a greenway or something. So like, one person can stay in the middle. So we have like a round table maybe something like that. Yeah a little bit different because, you know, with us we can hold the recorder like, you know, between us.

6:54 Easy. You know, most places we can go or are okay for two people. Yeah. When you have that third person, you're trying to navigate some of the places we go. It's difficult when we're.

7:05 Yeah. Yeah. No problem. Right. Yeah. Or like my place. You know, I think so. I mean, for sure she would have to do it on the weekend sometimes. She said the weekend after the fourth might work for her if it works for you. If it doesn't, doesn't, it's possibly the next weekend work. She would come down here from York.

7:24 South Carolina? Yeah. She'd come up here. Oh, yeah. That's really up. I know my north and south. Yeah. South. North. What an intellect.

7:39 Low siento mucho. I'm so sorry. Sure. She. She wants to talk specifically about abortion. Well, she just wants to talk about what Scottish is doing. And, you know, she would just a little bit about the abortion thing. She would talk a little bit about other things that are happening in the, you know, legal world. Yeah, sure. When you take you take the world that my my like whole, really simplistic viewpoint, big picture idea is that when you take the world from the point of view of the spirit running everything, you're going to have beliefs that are, you know, one way, take a point of view of like life is a is a functional thing, right?

8:18 Scientific functional thing. You're going to have a different way of looking at it. And we won't become she won't be coming at it from a religious cycle. She'll be coming at it from a practical atheist angle of, you know, just what kind of impact does this decision have? And, you know, I was talking to her about it. She's like, she listened to five minutes of our first episode and was like, how can I join this conversation?

8:43 Sure, yeah. You guys have a forum? Do you have something to engage with people? I was like, not yet. Yeah, we'll probably don't need to have an administrative conversation on our podcast, but. Well, no, but I'm just saying. But yeah, she was interesting. We're definitely going to keep expanding all those like fun ways. We're going to make our, our our, our I mean from in the client.

9:04 Yeah. And beautiful. And you know, we'll never forget Janet from Ohio. We're going to keep her in. Oh. Oh, yes. Yes. Very, very strange idea that women would be the primary audience of our cast. That's that's really bizarre. Well, the only reason it's bizarre, this little window that we did not hear it specifically for women. We were thinking more.

9:28 We were going to be a little over the top for some people, and we might offend some delicate sensibility, but, you know, we're probably overestimating ourselves. Probably nobody cares. Yeah, but. And that's it. That's what I was going to say. It's like really, when we think about it. We're not being that edgy and we're not saying anything that isn't isn't out there or hasn't been said.

9:54 Yes. So yeah, I mean, you know, we were underestimating people's ability to deal with bullshit.

10:02 Yes. Maybe, maybe certain kind of bullshit is like, welcome. Yeah, yeah. I've always found this funny that you can, you know, if you if you have your grass grow too long for you, don't cut your grass for a couple of weeks and the grass grows too high. You'll have some some, like thugs from the city, come send you a letter and try to shake you down as a homeowner.

10:19 Oh, yeah. Like threaten you with. Yeah. And, maybe somebody from the city and your HOA, if you're lucky. Yeah. That's exactly. But then if you're building, if you're building something like this new construction, you can have literally like a fucking third world wasteland, you know, for like six months, for six months. And, yeah, that's like just part of the deal.

10:36 Yeah. I've never been, you know, you don't have to clean up the shit in the front, I guess. Not like, you just leave construction debris everywhere and like, I mean, dude, I can tell you our new construction home in Dallas. That damn thing we were finding the construction debris, wood, nails, everything for months. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, if you have a roofing done or whatever, you know, they'll put the they'll put tarps in your in your bushes and whatever.

11:03 So you don't get a bunch of roofing tiles and roofing nails in your bushes, but you're still fine. You're gonna find them in the yard. Yeah. Like you said the next year. Yeah. But seriously, like, if you were this neighbor to this person and you have tall grass, you know, somebody from the city or something, like you said, the HMO would be like, hey, the grass is looking a little long.

11:23 Someone's out there with measuring. Tastes better cut it, buddy. But then, you know, two doors down, you can have, you know, what looks like a, you know, they just had an environmental disaster for six months. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Really? It's like don't. And does anybody see, like the contrast there? Yeah. And the thing is we they might have we pave over the environmental disaster but with some solid it's like oh well they put SOB down.

11:51 Right. Good to go you know. So it's got like this reeking porta potty out front and you know literally that's what we see there. Right, right. Like just there's scorched earth like red clay showing everywhere. Right. And you see the run off, like going right into the drain. Yeah. Half the street is like, filled with runoff, you know, like mud.

12:09 And it's like like that's okay. There's been massive erosion to all the neighboring yards because there isn't anything to stop the flow. There's no plants. Yeah. You know, and it's like, I mean, it's not like I'm expecting them to put it in like a French drain or something, but Jesus, something, something in proper erosion control. And they probably do have all those rules.

12:31 They're just not, you know, followed as closely because people kind of understand. Oh, it's a new construction. You're going to see that. It's like it's been normalized. Yeah. But if you like, just step back and look at it raw for what it is. You know, it's like like so many other things, you know, if you take a step back and check out what it really is, you know, it's a bit of a frightening situation.

12:53 Yeah. It's just clearly, you know, hypocritical. Yeah. For lack of a better term. It's like, can't see the forest for the trees on that, you know. Same thing, you know. So we were talking about dogs and and cats and stuff the other day. And I went through and pulled out some stats for our links. It's really fascinating.

13:11 Dude. There's like, the stats on this shit is crazy. Like how much economic energy goes into pets and how, oh my gosh, really, dude, it's it's it's not just like, it's not just like $1 billion industry. Like the whole pet thing is like a mega billion industry, like close to $1 trillion. What? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I guess that's.

13:37 Is that. Just know when you add a continent or. Yeah, that's just the United States. When you add up all the all the accessory stuff, like all the veterinary and all the when you pour it all in, some estimates are around a trillion. That's insane. Can you believe it? No. Never would have guessed. So you have 330 million people, all their all the households and all the businesses and all the townships, you know, across the country, you're looking at an incredible net, you know, economic engine is incredible.

14:08 Yeah. Sounds like, you know, when you when you scale everything out, like when I did that with gasoline, you know, you look at the statistics on how much gasoline is just using on daily basis. And it's like how like how where is all that coming from. Yeah. It's like the volume is incredible. I mean, so they've just found increasing technological means to extract that shit from the earth, and that's really it.

14:33 We're getting better and better at extracting it. We're getting a, you know, some of the ways that we're using to extract petroleum derivatives are, more damaging than others. But yeah, like fracking. Yeah. He starts to talk. You start to talk about the scale of these things. And, you know, you're you're a little overwhelmed. Like, the mind really doesn't have a placeholder.

14:56 Hey. Yeah, I know the mind really doesn't even have, like, much of a placeholder for that kind of scale, you know what I mean? So it's like, can you imagine in your mind what the hell? Yeah. Just wanna stay away from the cars. We'll just circle. Okay? So, like, in your mind, can you really imagine 500 million gallons, for example?

15:17 No. Like, you could imagine a gallon of milk or a gallon of some liquid. Right. And I can probably scale that out to easily be in my brain. A hundred gallons, a gross of gallons, like. Right. Yeah. You could probably imagine what a gross of something looks like, right? Or, you know, a baker's dozen or, you know, some other terminology for some small kind of worldly, you know, ten human, ten.

15:41 And I really think maybe I could I know what ten looks like. I think I could roughly say, I know what a hundred looks like. There you go. And, you know, in Montessori school, they'll have like, these different cubes of right that that stick together magnetically. Five this is the ten. So you can kind of start to understand like those kind of volumes and scales.

16:00 Yeah. And but still it's not even touching something like 100 million. No. Right. And we're talking you know trillion close to. Yeah. And so when you, when you start to scale things up, I think, you know, just because of your contextual experience with, with with magnitude. Yeah. Not you but I mean one you would be. Yeah. Is that like it loses its it's it loses.

16:21 Its a I don't know what you want to call it loses like, it's, impact. Yeah. Because the volume is like beyond the imagination. Cuz you can't truly understand that scale. Yeah. Would need to have it, like, visually presented with me and some kind of augmented reality. Right. So I have a really good understanding of like a scale volume that I can maybe like manipulate with my hand to get an idea, some kind of structure nearly as tall as this, you know, high, high tension power line.

16:51 Yeah. And then, so if I had those kind of references and had that kind of experience, I could probably then start to say, oh, holy shit. Like with more, kind of frame of reference than just the raw number that I holy shit to now. Right. So when I see, like the total amount of gasoline using the United States every day, for example, I'm like, holy shit.

17:13 Yeah. But if I were to actually be able to truly visualize that amount, I'd be like, Holy shit, you would. I mean, when were you if you truly came to grasp of it, it it would affect your decision making and all that energy just literally going up and smoke every day. Yeah. Like just all that volume of of of energy, of commodities.

17:35 And most of it is literally going up in smoke. Yeah. Because our engines are so inefficient. Well, given what they're doing, they're highly efficient. But overall, yeah, it's very inefficient. Yeah. Yeah. As a process when you look at it inefficient but as a progression, very efficient from where we started to where we are. We have kick some ass with our modern day ISIS.

17:59 Yeah. Have you been to Amsterdam? No. So there's Amsterdam and there's other other cities that are really bike friendly. Okay. And, you just see it like, like, so weird to see thousands and thousands of bikes. So awesome, like, conglomerate in a certain area, like popularity. So, like, they'll have, like, a bike station, if you will. And so there's a certain style of bike that's common and.

18:24 Right. And of course, bike theft is a problem. And they have everything that goes from all the problems that come with that thing. But bikes coming, everybody's got a bike like everybody. Yeah, that's kind of rooted.

18:41 Good morning. Good morning. What's going on here? It's kind of rude or something like if a bikers take over a walking trail. I mean, like National. Imagine 20 of them, right? Yeah. But bikers, you know, they would. I feel like they share the same space over shares. We share it, right? Yeah. Like a greenway that's got, like, a bike lane and then a pedestrian lane.

19:04 But, I mean, that's asking a lot. That's asking a lot. It is asking a lot, but it is nicer. It is way nicer because then you segregate the two modes of traffic, and device can go as fast as they want to go. Yeah. Have you seen some of these things like out in Colorado like Boulder and some of these other progressive areas where they have the greenway off the road.

19:22 So you like the road guardrails, some foliage, some trees. Then the other side of that you have this wide bike lane and walking lane. That's nice. Like so it does take up a large footprint. But there's options now. Yeah. Right. It's like let's go to the store and take the bike type idea. Yeah. Which is fantastic. I think that's kind of what they want people to do here.

19:46 I mean, I was reading that, they're trying to make sure that the light rail connects to the greenways and give people a biking or pedestrian, you know, method of transportation to get places. Yeah. My friend Sean knows architect, other friend Sean. That's really big into sustainable architecture. Yeah. Said, like, three way. Like, you know, that you have good zoning when, when from any given residents, every every given residential facility or business, you have three forms of transportation.

20:22 Minimum. Oh, nice. So you can imagine, like a bus parking lot for your car and a sidewalk, you know, like, that's like the bare minimum morning. So three or more? Yeah, three or more. So, you know, very conducive like natural. The infrastructure is in place for at least three forms of transportation. Yeah. It's like yeah civil engineers. Yeah.

20:45 We got actually got we got a good crop instead of the ones from like, you know, community college in Ohio. Yeah. Right. Yeah. From my house, actually. I have a pretty decent, pretty decent sidewalk. And, you know, we don't podcast or anything because of logistics. Plus, it's kind of noisy, but, it's it's actually very conducive for, like, bicycle riding and things like that.

21:10 Cool. Like, if you're riding a bicycle on a sidewalk. Yeah. You know, casually. Not like, try to put it on spandex and, you know, aerodynamic helmet right where you're like and good it with a pack of 50. I'm training for my triathlon with 49 of my closest brothers.

21:30 So eventually everybody that rides a bicycle like that competitively, like training for a triathlon or whatever it is this, I don't know, pretty pretty much everybody that does that. They had something tethered at some point, but then somebody messed with the thing that was tethered. And that's what that's that's what my, detective analysis is saying. Something was tethered there at one point.

21:53 It says something here, right? Recycle some psych out. Oh, might be graffiti. Yeah, maybe.

22:02 So, anyway, that reminds me of something else to talk about, but I'm finished. This idea about the bicycle, right? Is that eventually everybody who, cycles will eventually just statistically will suffer a spill. Sure. You're gonna fall. You're going to fall. It's a matter of time. Like you're going to rub tires with someone else. You're you're going with.

22:22 Right? And fall. You know someone. Did they take you out? Yeah. Right. So sick of your ass drafting them all the time. Yeah. And, or, like, you know, incident with a vehicle, you know, something happens. There's a, there's a there's a pothole that, you know, is bigger than the seams or whatever, and you go down.

22:45 It's a matter of time. Right? And a lot of times when you're competitive, you're going like 20 miles an hour, 20, 25 miles an hour, right? I mean, if you're on a, in a bike with, you know, carbon fiber tires and it's just light as hell and. Yeah, right, right, right. And you're fit, right? Have decent endurance and you're riding in a backpack and you're like, pacing yourselves.

23:06 You're actually trying to increase. Yeah, you're fucking flying, man. And all you have is that stupid little helmet for protection. And a lot of times, like, you know, if you fall on the pavement, you're getting skinned up pretty big, too. Like, like if you dump a bike. Yeah, right. Because like, most people that are riding bicycles aren't clad in leathers and stuff.

23:24 No.

23:26 You know, that's what we need to start a little biking mafia. But it's bicycles. Yeah, yeah, it's a badass name to write. I mean, like, something that sounds like it came from the depths of hell.

23:42 But it's just a bunch of hipster bikers. Oh, my mind is racing now. All these different possible names, you know, two, two wheels from hell, right? Something, you know, so many options. So, see, now, that would be fun. Like on our way. Something that sounds like that up on our website. Song title. Anyway. Yeah. Open that up on our website.

24:05 Competition. Yeah. 50 bucks for the best. The best name for literally, like, leather clad. But you can't. Nothing around. Proud boys will be accepted.

24:18 It's like if it's racist. No. Yeah, right. We might laugh or chuckle. You got to put parameters around. No. So racism is a no. What else could be a no. But what what a great thing to do. Like $50 for the person that comes with the absolute best name for a literally cycle gang. Not not motorcycle cycle. Not motorcycle cycle gang here.

24:38 Yeah. And we're not going to do the the fixed gear bikes like so many people. Okay. We're going to be we're going to exclude the fixed gear bikes and you can write anything but that. Yeah, it's not the old timey ones with the big front tire and the little back tire, you know, like if you want to bring that.

24:56 Yeah. The mustache. Yeah. Like. Yeah. And and your riding clothes. Yeah. The old, the old fashioned like, the old fashioned, like thin tank top. Yeah. You know, like the weightlifters tank top. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You've got, you've got your fake barbell, your mustache, mustachioed waxed face. He's got your, you know. Yeah. If you actually have a mustache wax budget, you're a unique individual, like, there's no doubt.

25:24 And we'd like to talk to you on our podcast.

25:29 There's so many questions. Yeah. Like, does it leave a little pattern of film on your coffee. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Another question is it actually is this a surface tension actually draw some of it out like yeah. Yeah. The whole science of it of eating and drinking with it is definitely something we need to explore. If you're a bottom feeder, do you technically wax that ass?

25:47 And that's what I was wondering to that's that's what you want to go with. That's what you're going. You textually wax that ass. And then on top of that, I love it. Not only do we need to worry about the bottom feeders, but is it does it make it much more difficult for you? It's not the same. You must your mustache to go down on the ladies or on the moon.

26:08 Maybe. Maybe it's just like parks. Like maybe. Yeah, maybe it's like. I'm just saying. Yeah, it's like on the shelf locks in. Yeah. Maybe that. Maybe the handlebars, like, right. For you to. Yeah. That's funny. The tires are badass on that thing. They are. Oh, that looks like that looks that looks like a Volkswagen Beetle meets dune buggy meets Tesla.

26:31 That's totally it. Yeah, but the, the rolling coal pipe coming out of the front. Yeah, that's pretty hilarious. Yeah. It's like it's it's literally it's literally fueled by. Would like, there's a wood burning stove in the front of the car. It takes me 75 minutes to get my car up to temp, and then I can try to start it off.

26:52 I was awesome. You're gonna be a work at six. I got up at 230.

26:59 But you see the pancakes? I'm in? Yeah, exactly. And the smoke sausage shit. And the pipe with the. With the wax mustache. Yeah, yeah. But. Yeah, yeah. Can you imagine sitting in the mirror, like, for a legitimate time, like, applying the wax and getting it to where, like, you know, it's it's meets your satisfaction. I cannot, you know, there'd be it's a certain tax take a certain mentality.

27:23 Well, this entire process, I'm fascinated by the idea of it because it has to take a long time. I imagine it's not like get a little wax on a couple of fingers on each hand and then boom, boom, done right. And you know, there's no way that person's a crackhead or a meth head because that mustache would have been scorched.

27:39 Oh, yeah. You ain't trying to burn your masterpiece. I mean, you know, so it probably self selects for even a specific kind of drug user. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. And you know how, like, certain people, just through their experiences, they like certain things. Like they, they pursue certain qualities in a person. Yeah. It's like you know, so my ex I said I'm not going to dog my ex on the podcast, but, just because it's just a fact, it's really not that big deal.

28:05 It's like I'm really not so into blonds anymore. Yeah, like blonds have kind of been ruined for me. Hey, I understand, and I'm a blond, right? So think of all the psychological damage that's, you know. But, I've always said that, Chris, you've transcended just blond. You were. You were Hitler's wet dream. You were a Übermensch.

28:26 Hitler's wet dream. God damn.

28:31 I don't know if I want that language in my head when I'm looking in the mirror. I'm just trying to buff up your ego. Put some seeds in my brain. I don't know if I want growing.

28:43 Yeah, so I can feel good, buddy. Yeah.

28:50 Yeah. Then you want to make me feel good. Like, help me. Help me figure out, like prediabetes. Help me. Right. That'll make me feel good. Yeah, yeah. So how do I be not pregabalin? That's. That's how I would feel better anyway. You know, so I'm into, like, brunets, especially redhead now, like, you know, dark red. I like that.

29:10 That's fine. Gotcha. And I'm partially red green colorblind. So there's something weird happening there too, but. Oh, I just happened to be my parents. That's good, that's good. But anyway, So it's not just what color hair. It's all kinds of things. Personality, temperament. Right? I mean, absolutely, I mean, all kinds of qualities, you know, as a as others have said, you have to have something to talk about while you go get the condoms.

29:34 Plus, the older you get, the more life encroaches upon, you know, alone time and spending time with each other. You have to be partners. You have to work together to get everything done in life. You have to have somebody you can rely on and respect. Absolutely. And so, you know, your preferences change over time. And, you know, some people even like, prefer persons from the same sex because they do better in those kind of settings.

30:00 Right? Yeah. Then you have people that are like, you know, free for all. I'll just take whatever comes along. That's right. To each their own, right. Or people who decide they want to take a bunch of what comes along. And it's like, well, I'm going to be in a relationship with five people. And if that's what works for them, right?

30:18 Yeah. Good morning. Yeah, totally. So, it's all just experiential preference in my mind. I think most of it is environmental. You know, just through your experiences, your preferences are shaped. Yeah, yeah. Your experiences, your needs, your examples. So with that being said, you know, is like group dynamic. You know friendships all these things stem from this like core experiential personality that we all derive.

30:46 And I had something very interesting apparently. They used like a Enos, you know, that really just detects volatile chemicals. Yeah. And, friends smell alike. We choose our friends. Yes. Partially because of. We smell similar. Yes. That's the sense of smell. Is like, from what I understand, a very primal sense. It's like, hooked right into the factory senses, which are then, like, wired close to the brainstem.

31:15 Right. So, like, smell is, it gets, like, right to the core of the brain. Yeah. So I totally can see how that makes sense. And, you know, we're probably not as hyper aware of our of our smell as, you know, other animals supposedly are. Well, yeah. And, you know, and people argue that our sense of smell has been damaged through the trappings of modernity.

31:37 Probably. Probably. Yeah. And then also our environment is different, you know, it's unnatural. More so. And then we are visual species by far our, our board rate, our, our, high bandwidth optical channels. There you go. Bandwidth of our, you know, ocular senses is by far the biggest, right. Yeah. Biggest section of our brain dedicated and etc., etc., and our sense of smell isn't near as good as the pets.

32:02 We keep going back to that. Right, right. So, you know, think about all these pets and like, you know, the puppy mills and all this kind of like, you know, places where they just euthanize them because there's so many, right? They overflow, like, you know, God forbid you're you're you're a, like, what is it called?

32:20 You come out of a the womb lottery of pets, and you happen to just have genetically not such a such great curb appeal. Yeah, yeah. Like the cutest one with the big eyes and the floppy ears. Yeah. You know, you're some kind of like, you know, ugly duckling with your tongue hanging out. Yeah, yeah. It's, You're probably headed for the needle.

32:39 Yeah. If you're if you're not already entrenched in some kind of, you know, like my dog. That perfect.

32:48 Space of cute and ugly. Yeah, sure. You know, she's got the, like, snagged teeth, and she looks goofy as hell. And. Yeah, I mean, being an ugly pet, you're you're probably, you know, your chances aren't as good, let's put that way. That's true. But, I mean, I'm just saying such a massive surplus, there's a certain amount of ugly and we can tolerate.

33:09 And then there's the extreme, like the dog competition where like the ugly or there's Chinese Christian hairless one every year there's some weird bug eyed dog that's really small, like a teacup, really ugly looking thing. That might be the breed you're talking about. I think that's it. That's like Cassandra used to have one. It's like, very common for one of the eyes to be, like, milky white, blinded.

33:30 And his tongue is always out. Yeah. And as far as, like, always rotting looking. Yeah. It's got all these, like, warts on it and. Yeah. Yeah. It's like if you crossbred, you know, like a, like a, like a dung fly, you know, and a dog. That's what you in the flies in the fly is, that movie, the fly, that chamber.

33:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how. Yeah. That's how you produce that there. Yeah. And some tongue flying at.

34:00 And somehow through the twisted fate of, of like, human interest and sentiments. That thing had a genetic avenue. Yeah. Like, what the hell? Right. So strange. Oh, I love it. Like selective breeding for just filthy, disgusting, you know, looking. And the thing is, like you said to some people, it's not filthy, disgusting. It's endearing. Yeah. I think in the human equivalent you have, like, Alabama.

34:24 So. Yeah. Oh, no, not not the distal. But the problem is there was morning. The only the only problem down there is the, you know, the hatred and the, the fat, like the BMI is like ridiculous. But we have massive BMI problems here anywhere. No, but it's right in the South. It's just more. The further south you go, the more intensified that seems to be.

34:52 It's like Carolina is pretty rough. You know, fried cheese balls is like considered a food. Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's pretty delicious. Yeah. Actually, like the Midwest. Really the. That's true. That's true man. Fried man. Yeah. The well, in the Midwest, they, you know, cheese curds are huge. Deal. Yeah. Cookout shells and cheese bites. Oh, and Sue loves those things.

35:18 She gets some. She gets them all the time. I eat one of them all like take one from you know she orders them I'll grab one of them and I'm like that's enough. You know get my baby aspirin. Yeah exactly. Let me take an 80,000,081 milligram aspirin with this. But there's a fucking oh, Culver's has really good ones too.

35:40 And they have a couple of Culver's around here. Don't share that information with you. No. It's okay. Yeah, yeah, it's like I won't tell. Yeah, it's probably not a good idea to to tell the heroin addict where the cheapest heroin is. Oh, she's that bad? No, not just. But it's a good joke.

36:02 By itself. No, it's owners I saw. It's on her nearby. It's. It's one of those. It's one of those. Like where the owner legit. Yeah. And you can tell by its demeanor. It's like kind of dog that it's okay to be off leash. Right? Mini or not. Isn't that strange how you could tell so much from, like, how even an animal postures itself?

36:20 Oh, yeah. And like how it looks at you. What? Yeah. You know how it assesses you. Yeah, we talked about that before, but just that particular dog right now that we just saw, like I read so much into the way the dog was carrying itself and the way it looked at us, it was like, hey, you know, these guys are interesting.

36:35 But yeah, it's just you could tell that the dog is zero threat. Yeah. Right. And that's just really interesting how, you know, and it's like, look, I need to keep a distance, keeps looking at it. Right. How far away are they. Yeah. And it's just so fascinating how through such a small amount of information, so much can be read into that.

36:54 You know, it's probably natural. We all probably have natural instinct to do this because it's like survival, right? Yeah. I mean, we have to read the situation. We have to read it fast. But instantaneously both of us made the same assessment. That's just like a really passive, non-threatening animal, even though it's size. It's a big dog. I mean, yeah, it's a detect.

37:13 It makes short work of one or both of us know I can handle animals like I've always been not afraid of dogs, like 100%. Yeah. And I would just I don't know, man. I'm like, have a savage thread in me from military and other things, right? It's just like, I would just kill it. All right, well, I have opposing thumbs.

37:33 It's a threat. Sorry. It's going to die if it's, like, threatening you and me. Like, legit. Yeah. And we're trying to get away first. Sure, but if I had to. Dogs dead man. Yeah. I mean, you want to find a defensible spot or a place that, you know, you got a rock or something you can grab. Yeah. I mean, but I we have a puzzle.

37:50 Thumbs. You can just grab it. Yeah. Grab it and sling it and smash into the ground, you know, a few times and it's over. Yep. You might be hurt, but, Yeah. And you might. You have a good chance of messing up your hands. Yeah. I mean, if it gets some teeth on you, if you do some damage, but, you know, you're you're faster than the animal, you're more you're more at agility and,

38:10 Yeah, it's just it's weird. There we go. There's the owner. Cool.

38:19 Hey, buddy.

38:22 Marty.

38:25 That dog was happy. He was. Man. Reminds me of that song happy. A happy dog is that happy, happy, happy that I ever. It's like TikToks and YouTubes where the dog is like. Like bouncing up and down, all super jittery and happy. Oh, that's cool. And the owner is like singing this cute little happy song. That dog was seriously in a great way.

38:46 He was having the time of his motherfucking life. Yeah, he was. And it's like he's probably looked at every morning, which is so great about dogs like that. Joy does not. Wayne. Right. As a matter how many times they've had the same treat, doesn't matter how many times they've walked the same Greenway. Yeah, it's got like a a half of a tennis ball sized tumor on its side.

39:06 And it's like, you know, it's got its blindness, got no teeth, but the tails wagon like crazy, right? It if it's loving nothing more than the fact that another day has come. Yeah. They they are a study in, you know how we should be. Yeah. Really it's much it was just damn happy. And cast is the exact opposite.

39:26 Cats are like this. The cats are like a containment area for negativity sometimes. But, you know, they're also really loving the tool to. I'm just saying, you know, you don't get your cat doesn't generally doesn't greet you with a kindness and loyalty. Yeah. If you get the cat with a good temperament and it's got the right amount of playfulness and the right amount of like the ability to actually curl up and sleep and be beautifully, you know, content.

39:54 Yeah, right. Like that serene, completely at ease moment for cats. Oh, yeah. If you get a cat that's like has a good balance of those things. It's a good pet. Yeah, very much so. Especially when that uses the cat door. So outside. Right. There's so much easier to take care of with that. Yeah. I guess I've, I've heard people say also that's like cruel, but I like the opposite.

40:14 What it's like cruel because there's so many, like, things that can happen outside. Like they can get pecked in the eye by a bird that they're tacking or they didn't worms from, you know, if they eat something outside like a squirrel. And so some people say it's like not proper to have an indoor outdoor cat, but I'm thinking the opposite.

40:31 I think it's great. I'm like, the cat has been some type of, you know, my grandparents playground. Yeah, exactly. My grandparents always had indoor outdoor cats. And then also on top of that. You know, outdoor dogs, indoor outdoor dogs. And I'll tell you, some of their dogs really lived a long time. They lived outside. Yeah, totally. That's the I was mentioned that the cat that I had that was the longest lived was 100% indoor outdoor cat.

41:00 Yeah. And the cat I mentioned the other day, same thing. It was at 100% indoor outdoor cat. And then as it got older, it was more of an indoor town. Oh, right. But still every day would go outside. And it was funny because I remember this like serene sunlight coming in through the trees kind of thing, and the cat sitting in the yard and like, just sitting there.

41:21 It was almost like the cat had this moment of serenity where it was just taking in the environment. That's cool. And, like I said, body language, you know, maybe, maybe read more into it than this really is because the anthropomorphism science, you know, these animals and stuff. But it really seemed to me as if the cat was like, legitimately, taking it in, you know?

41:41 Yeah, that's kind of interesting. It is like how an animal could, like, appreciate the environment. It really does. And I'll say he does the same thing. Yeah. She was to go outside when it's hot and just hang out. So just sun herself. Yeah. Yeah. And Dean, that's the mental picture I have of him. His little Kettler self reclining on this red porch my grandparents had.

42:09 Yeah. So maybe there's something to it. Maybe animals definitely do feel that sense of serenity, of, like, calmness and peacefulness in the environment, you know. Yeah. You know, there's just above them of that. No I yeah. If I, if I in the space of not knowing I prefer to think of it as they do. Right, right. But I'm saying you know sure.

42:26 It's just anecdotal evidence, but it makes more sense there. Definitely more primal than we. I mean, why wouldn't they need that connection? Yeah. Probably is. Yeah. I'm sure that, like, in that moment, there's certain types of, you know, chemicals released. It could be measured is what I'm getting at. Yeah. Oxytocin or whatever the equivalent is. Yeah.

42:47 If you, if you really, like, really, really, really set out to prove one way or the other, right. I think there's probably evidence that can be biochemical signature to say, yeah, that cat is actually feeling pretty good. Yep. You can find it there. Literally feeling serendipitous, you know, and really feeling serene with the environment. Yeah. You know, and here's the here's the chemical proof neurochemical proof.

43:08 Yeah. But then maybe in the press of doing that you undo all the, all the benefits.

43:16 That's great. Take this out. Oh wow. There's like literally a tree down in our path. But, but but the skilled, mountaineers we are, we'll be able to navigate it. Yeah.

43:32 Well, definitely. And the fact that plenty of other people have already navigated kind of beating the bathroom. Yeah.

43:41 That's funny. First, the first person who came through that, it was all up. Yeah.

43:49 And so we were talking about the runoff from the construction site, and we're passing a stream that's like red clay stream. Yep. Now, let's also, I mean, preps it with if it runs through bare ground, it's going to run through red clay. And it is a river.

44:12 Yeah. But you know, time without humans, certain amount of time went by. I don't think you need to be clear. One clear. Yeah, yeah. Good point. Yeah. I mean, things would start to recover. I really do wonder how long it would take the.

44:27 Ecosystem to be measurably, measurably more healthy. I heard one time that, like, it was some tipping point in the early 90s where mankind's net activity sculpted the lithosphere of the Earth more than nature. All of nature's all natural forces combined. Crazy. It's that long? I figured it would have been senior. Well, no, I mean, sooner than the 1990s.

44:50 Well, you got to think of these massive places in the earth like they were just terraforming to our needs. Yeah, I'm talking from natural process. You know, you have to. You have to imagine these places in the earth where, like, sand dunes, right? Or where chemical and physical weathering is happening on massive scales. Yeah. Right. And so then the idea that that the net impact of human activity would sculpt the surface of the Earth more than that is amazing.

45:16 It is. And I don't know how you properly measure that, but, supposedly. Well, it may have taken this to around the 90s. The probability measure it maybe. Yeah. Combine it with satellite data and all kinds of other evidential pieces of information. And that's probably it. It's all these disparate, you know, fields and experts coming together to kind of come up with some digestible data.

45:43 Yeah. And so you can imagine, you know, all of the net effect of human, you know, every what is it, bucket loader and and bulldozer. Right. And rain cranes right here. Yeah. All these earthmoving, you know, shaping, forces collectively around the whole world. You know, the industrial output of that alone is just insane to think about. Right.

46:08 And so, yeah. So now human beings are the primary architects of the lithosphere greater than nature. Now, if one supervolcano goes off, I think that'll tip it back in the balance of nature. But hey, yeah, that doesn't. But that doesn't happen very often. Thankfully. Thankfully, the Ring of Fire isn't easily perturbed, right? As far as we know.

46:30 Yeah. You know, it's funny. There's so many things like that that are like you can cite as this is the norm, but then it isn't until it isn't. Right. Add the little caveat, add the asterisks to the end of that qualifier. Yeah, exactly. I mean, because we don't live on a geological time scale. Exactly. And so we don't have that kind of memory even even when we write things down and we talk about, you know, eclipses or, you know, comments that happen every couple of hundred years, it's still it's not within the domain of one human life.

47:03 Right, right. Even 100 years. So we don't add that into our calculus, right? Yeah. We don't think about it. We don't have it's hard for us to have that long term vision. Yeah, sure. So like when Yellowstone National Caldera super volcano erupts or whatever. Yeah. I think nature would then have the net balance for, you know, sculpting malicious lithosphere.

47:28 Yeah. Supposedly. Like, you know, the the magma ejections reach space. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. And all kinds of other, you know, scales against the scales that we can't comprehend. Right? Wow. You know, the visible for every point in the earth. Wow. Because the the glow wraps around the entire earth. The volcano we visited in, what's called Arizona, it's not yet extinct.

47:59 It's like one year away from being classified as extinct. Gotcha. It's like, not a rupture, like 150 years or something. Yeah. So you can imagine, you know, morning. So you can imagine, like, And I guess what I was going to say, it's conical shape because, you know, those magma ejections you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. If it shoots it up high enough that it's cold, by the time it hits, it ends up in a in a cone shaped.

48:25 Oh, wow. That's crazy. That's really interesting to see. Yeah, but this superheated rock from the depth of the earth manages to cool down before it hits the ground again. That's crazy. It's like a pumice. Yeah, like the igneous rock. So pregnant with volcanic gas, it floats and all. It's, like, strange. This is odd and all the strange stuff.

48:51 Yeah, that's weird stuff. Yeah. A liquid can't be magnetic, right? Oh, I'm saying, whenever they harden. Oh, there's certain certain ones of the rocks will be magnetic. Gotcha. I guess it's the crystal and structure they harden into. Yeah, yeah. So remember, like we're talking about ugly dogs and like, unwanted, unwanted pets. Yeah. Well, sometimes, sometimes. And I'm sure you even counted this too, is that people have someone will have a pet, and that pet will become unwanted, by either the family or by others.

49:23 And so they'll like rehome the pet quote unquote, which is just, you know, another a nice term for getting rid of. Yeah. Some funny it's like some parents sometimes probably want to rehome certain children. I've also heard people say rehome the husband and keep the dog. Yeah. There you go. There you go. So that jokes already made.

49:42 Okay. Darn. Someone else made me do it. That's that's okay, though, because every joke would probably possibly think that I came up with creatively. And novelty has been done. Right. But what makes it novel is the context of it. There you go, there you go. Thanks. You saved me from that. Thanks. You were the bear of bad news.

49:58 And then you gave me the cure. It's like you've made the sickness and then had the treatment. There we go. It's like, wow, you're like American enterprise. Oh, damn. Oh, I love that. So you remember the guy from, like, oh, let me finish the pet idea, and then I'll get into this other idea. But, you know, there was this dog I was told from the story perspective.

50:22 People I started is, there's this dog, and it was named, which was short for Luigi. No, no, there was a boy named Elijah. It was like a country song. All right. And this girl I was dating had this dog named G, which was short for Elijah. Okay. Yeah. Right. Really stupid name, but it was a cocker spaniel.

50:45 And. Cool name. Cool name. Well, right. Yeah. But that, you know, things just happened with names. Okay, well, here we go. Back into preferences. Right. So now, like, through my experience data, I'm not a big fan of Congress fan. Oh, I'm not one. Used to. One of my friends, cocker spaniels growing up named freckles, would run up the stairs and try to help my face.

51:09 Yeah, yeah. Okay, so there you go. So experiential data shapes our preferences, right? And so, I'm just not that big of a fan for the breed. I'm not so not so into their temperament. But obviously, some people love them. You'll see people with the sticker on their back car, you know, love my quirky or love my spaniel.

51:29 Anyway. Anyway. Right. And my friend Chris had a cocker spaniel that wasn't so bad. And it was named Corky. Okay. So that's where that came from. Random. But, Yeah, one of my best child spaniels. Yeah. So, the mom was like a, like a hippie mom, like, in a kind of Southern California kind of way. Okay, so she was like, right here in freckles and had, like, that California kind of mentality.

51:56 I love the water. Love to be in a swimsuit. Yeah. Right, right. And, could work. Could rock it here. Okay. Really friendly, a nice person. But, the dog was, like, on his period. It was a female dog. And, she tried to put a tampon on the dog. Okay. Right. And Chris was telling me about it.

52:17 The pad. Just slap pad on. Yes. I tried to put a tampon in the dog. No way. Yeah, like a small one. Oh, wow. Like, apparently their sizes. Okay. And the dog just. Just wouldn't have nothing. Well, I mean, totally understand why the dog would have nothing to do with something shoved up. As who? Hot. Yeah. It doesn't have the intellectual, like, doesn't have any parameters around it that it can understand.

52:40 It's just like something's inside of it. Yeah. It's like this doesn't feel good. It probably does not. Yeah, sure, sure. It's abrupt and disruptive.

52:50 I want to tell you. Make a joke about checking your wife while you're running, but I'll leave it. There's so much to talk about. What are you going to say? Go ahead. The joke. Dude one checking his watch that Jude wasn't really checking the time. You might be looking. No he's not. How far have I run today? Come on.

53:08 There's an etiquette with everything, right? And it's like the. The runner who's jogging in place, waiting for the crosswalk at the intersection. Checking out there. Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. I mean, Martin Day smartwatch. Could be. No, you could be for sure. No doubt you could be. But what I'm saying is that the etiquette is right. So, like, be concerned with the time.

53:31 Like your pace. Right. There's just an etiquette with everything. And the etiquette causes people to just do all these little things. Compulsory. True. True. Like, at the exact time that guy didn't want to interact with us. He's an introvert to some extent. And so he checked his watch right as he walked by. So he didn't have to interact and didn't.

53:49 So he didn't have to greet us. Right. Right. Like, you know, when people looking at their cell phones mindlessly, you know, we talked about that before, but they're not really on their cell phone. They're just, you know, playing as if something is important. Right. Because they don't want to chance a random encounter. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Right. And so then also like using it as a prop.

54:12 Like like the person with the cigarette ashes, the cigarette, and, you know, the mannerisms that are associated with how you smoke it, how you hold it between two fingers and even there's an inner backwards. Yeah. It cupped in your hand. There's an airplane between, you know, single serving friends in the airplane. No. There you go. With with phones now to every now and then, you're like, if you're actually having a good conversation with someone on a plane.

54:39 I've been on them quite a damn few times. The last few years. There's usually when there's a lull in the conversation, there's a compulsory phone time. Right? Right, right. And then, you know, sometimes the phone time will break into full phone time and break the conversation. Yeah. And then. But a lot of times you'll drift back into conversation, right?

55:00 And then you'll drift back into your phone time. Totally. Right. Like I said, there's mannerisms and there's etiquettes built around all the stuff. Like, so, for example, people feel if you give people Sharpie markers and they're finding themselves in a bathroom stall, you'll see more markings on that bathroom wall. Right. Than you would if you didn't issue Sharpie markers.

55:21 Right. So like someone comes into your bar and in your bar, you have this thing where, everyone's going to leave a note on a napkin and it goes into a bin, and then, and then that bin, it's like a scanner. And it puts the remarks that people set up on the big screen. Right. And they do that as a stick to try to make their bar stand out in some way.

55:40 Right. That's a thing. Just making this up a fly. Right. It's very elaborate. And so everybody gets a Sharpie marker as part of their, you know, a very sturdy non bleed napkin for your Sharpie mark. Yeah. No, it's like a coaster right. Okay. All right. Like the back of a coaster. And you continue to use the coasters, but then like, you give everyone that comes in a blank coaster.

56:02 Right. And you catalog what's on said coasters after people use them. There you go. Using the coaster. Correct. Yeah. Oh, see? Are your coasters? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And, you just use it as a stick for your bar? Yeah. You know, and, what I'm getting at is now everybody has a Sharpie marker. It's like they issued as part of their cover.

56:21 Charged with bar. Right? You can absolutely guarantee with 100%. Good morning. You can actually guarantee with 100% certainty that you're going to get much more writing on the stall walls. In that bar than you would at a normal place at a bar where they didn't issue Sharpies. One of the two. Right. One of the two really famous, you know, Chicago pizza places in Chicago, I think it's Gino's encourages that every freaking inch of this place is covered in some kind of graffiti, not just the stalls.

56:56 Like, as well. The walls up to the damn top of the ceiling. Yeah. So, like, some drunk bastard was teetering on the top of a chair to get there. They get the tallest, probably. And it's. Yeah, that's a disaster waiting to happen. It no doubt is unless the first thing you do is a marker is a disclaimer. I'm betting if they were smart, they filled in the dangerous places themselves.

57:19 I love it. They hired, like a specialist in graffiti to fill those out. Could you imagine? Like you're hired by Disney or you're hired by somebody and like, your your job is to make what looks like street graffiti, like, fake and, you know. Yeah. Sanctioned places. Yeah. Because if it's already covered. That's funny. Hey. How you doing? Good morning.

57:44 It's already covered. It's already covered. Then people would probably be less likely to mess with it. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Totally. And you've covered it in something you're okay with? Right. Right. Exactly. And I'm thinking that's the idea behind all these murals in Charlotte. Right. So. So, there's one place that was getting so much graffiti in the bathrooms.

58:06 What they decided to do was put, like, butcher paper up, like, mounted with with tape. So give people a place to draw. Yeah. Literally encourage it. You know, and then take the panels down and replace them from time to time. Keep the graffiti off the. Yeah. Keep the graffiti off the, you know, actual stall. Yeah. But you know what's going to happen with that too.

58:28 All kinds of shit on there because they're probably gonna be wiping actual shit on it. Yeah, it's gonna be gross. Let's put it that way. Like, you can have you can have a high, degree of probability that it's going to be pretty fucking gross. Yeah. Yeah. Which is okay. You know, you you don't have that writing on your walls now.

58:48 All right. And maybe it's easier to, like, throw away a peach, a piece of butcher paper than it is to clean. Yeah. Who knows? Anyway, I just saw that that was their solution. I mean, that's a cool solution. It's a neat one. And I mean, the solution of just letting people do it is also another one. Yeah. It's so interesting how like, these props and these, it's almost like.

59:11 It's almost like a gin. You know, like a like a, like an invading spirit, you know. So like when you give person certain props, it invokes all these ideas, you know, about what they can do with it, what they're going to do with it. Yes. How the space shapes what they're going to do with it. How it modulates their actions.

59:30 That's right. And so that carries so deep into combinatorics. Right. So like the buffet of of items and interactive interactive in your environment will like almost invoke a spirit of how you're to, how you are to interact with that environment. Yeah. Like so you're going to act completely differently. If you're in. Oh, and the virtual space is just make that compounded even further.

59:55 Oh yeah. Because you start thinking about it as an open world virtual space that I can't really mess up. I can just decorate or customize. Yeah. And and that most likely isn't going to bring out, especially if you're anonymous, isn't most likely going to bring out the best in, you know. Yeah. It's going to be like, let's be honest, the graffiti they found in Pompeii, you know, where it's like, you know, blah, blah, blah is a good horror for $0.10 or whatever.

1:00:26 Like, that was before massive inflation. Right, right. Or, you know, that was before massive inflation of a volcano. They even found things like vote for so-and-so and things like that. And Pedro.

1:00:42 But yeah, there's all the graffiti, and Pompeii is just totally interesting. It's a time capsule of those things. Right. Of people's creative output in the moment. Yeah. So like that trashcan right there has graffiti on it. Oh, okay. And what did the person that put that graffiti on there accomplished? Like they tagged it with their little, like, really wild way of writing letters.

1:01:06 Yeah. Like it means literally nothing to me, but they tagged it. The tagging is probably has a psychological feeling of ownership. Oh, I could talk pissing everywhere. Yeah. On top of other dogs. Piss. Right? I see. Yeah, except as uman beings, like you said, we're visual instead of smell oriented. Right. So we don't smell the piss. Beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful.

1:01:29 But we can see the graffiti written over the other graffiti. Yeah. And so Enzo, you know, was the most recent, you know, territorial pissing at that place back there. Yeah, exactly. So Enzo owns this motherfucker trashcan. We're. We're at the tip. Our head tip homage, you know? Yeah. To to Enzo. We admire your policy creativity. You know, the Enzo is, like, our number one listener.

1:01:54 And he was like, yes, yes, yes. It's working. Yes. He's like, I put the sign up for them. They saw it, I knew it, I knew it. I knew their perception was greater than the rank and file of humans. Predictable pigs. They should die. Yeah. Yeah. Not. Let's stop listening today. I'm not listening to this shit anymore. Back to Joe Rogan.

1:02:18 If we could only do that service for people.

1:02:22 Spotify. Cash cow. Right. Right.

1:02:29 Yeah. It's like, Yeah. Not a fan of his show, but whatever. I've never listened to it. I can't say, but my, over the weekend. I was talking to my friend David, and he was saying that it seems like Joe Rogan's format, or his approach in general is. Just agree with whoever he has on. Just keep them talking.

1:02:51 And because a lot of times he'll just get he'll get shut down. He'll get trash by him. He doesn't care. They keep their talking trash me all day long. Make me a multi-millionaire podcaster. Yeah. I mean, come on. And that's ultimately the idea, right? You know, anytime his ego catches a hit, he's just like money, money, money. Well, why would you.

1:03:13 Why would you take take an ego hit? You have you have somebody on there who's a subject matter expert in something like you have Neil, you're talking to Neil deGrasse Tyson about astrophysics. Right. You're not going to keep up with that, man. Right. It doesn't matter how much you study. You say something stupid and he, you know, claps you for it.

1:03:27 Like, you know, he brings you back to reality and basically uses more than a word to call you in dumb ass. Right. Who cares? That's his fucking field of expertise. Right. And you should yield to that. And, I mean, I think, but there's a certain there's a certain thing there to say. You know, I have to that had to take some practice.

1:03:43 Hey. There's poop. You got that unrecorded. That's poop. That takes some practice. You know, I mean, to to kind of put your ego aside and say, you know, for the good of this podcast. Oh, I think it's the individual personality. Like, I wish you wouldn't think this massive roid it out looking dumbass would have that kind of introspection.

1:04:09 But he is a comedian. Yeah, well, maybe also that he's been wrong so many times that he maybe just starts to settle into the reality of the situation. It's like, look, I'm not even going to study about this. I'm just going to say whatever the hell I'm going to say, and they're going to keep talking. Well, he was even like, you know, moon landing conspiracy person and all that kind of stuff.

1:04:29 So he's had a on his face many times. But, you know, he also shows the capacity to, to like, rethink things and change, which is admirable. Yeah. Which is a quality that we all should hope to have, you know. Absolutely. And he's he's made himself to be malleable. He can adapt. He can. I have to admit, Sean, like, I don't want to brag, but I'm like the fucking master of that shit.

1:04:54 Being able and adaptable, I think you are to some extent as well. If someone brings me information that I wasn't aware of. Yeah. Like, I have no problem synthesizing that new information. Right, right. You know, I might give you some pushback and I might ask you some questions about it, but, hey, if if it shows me that I'm wrong about something, why not?

1:05:13 Yeah. I'm not going to be like, some guy just says, yeah, there's God, I can I can tell you for sure. Right. Well, carpet cleaning, once again, we're like, this whole thing is just working for his business. It's funny. Yeah. So it's not. It can't just be something anecdotal. It could just be like, there's a god, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I never thought of that.

1:05:35 You're right. Yeah. Just an open declaration. Yeah, that's changed my mind. Yeah. But if somebody like I remember specifically the gun debate, way back in the day when I was in high school, I had one teacher. I think I might told you this story before I had one teacher that, like, convinced me easily that guns are fine. And like, you know, we have we should have the right period, you know.

1:05:59 Yeah. And I was like, yeah, yeah, you know, we should have the right. Yeah. And then I was discussing it with another teacher and they convinced me completely the other way around. Right. Right. It just shows you also to the plasticity of the young mind, a young mind. And you know how you can say, well, you know, I had conviction here, but now conviction has moved to this side because.

1:06:25 And you can pair it that back, you know. Yeah. So what it did really at the end of the day was it aggravated me because I, I, for the first time in my life, realized that I have no real idea about the faith. Right? And since I have no real idea, I, like, have to absorb the idea from others.

1:06:42 And that's that's most of the time what we're doing. I mean, we don't have time to independently derive a concerted opinion on everything. We get our opinions from the people we grow up with, our church, our political party or whatever. Right. And, see, I'm in a different state of my life. Like as an adult, you've challenged all of those things you were initially handed.

1:07:05 Well, many of those things. Yeah. There's so many that I've accepted the default opinion on. Probably most of things. Well, yeah. Good point. I've just probably challenged more than most. There we go. You know, but, because you do yourself a disservice if you don't build your own philosophy. You're just accepting wholesale whatever bag of opinions you were given.

1:07:27 Right. And that's exactly what we're doing with Nova Social is that we're like, taking topics one by one and doing a critical analysis of it and leaving with a broader understanding. Makes sense. Last week was episode 150, by the way. Cool. That's awesome. That's a lot. That's a good milestone. 150. Yeah, that's a lot of bullshit. It is.

1:07:48 Man. That represents 300 hours. Not counting my prep time. Well, yeah, your prep time. I can't even imagine. So prep time is probably, on average, four hours. Okay. So you do a math on that. That's 600 hours of just prep. Added another 300 hours of the actual conversation. Right. Might as well engine out to a thousand. Yeah. Oh, definitely with the periphery stuff as well.

1:08:10 So we're looking at probably a total. Yeah. Somewhere around 1000 hours.

1:08:23 Yeah. That was an hour's. Definitely. That's a lot of time. Yep. And, you know, I reckon that I've probably had some serious growth out of the sound hours. And that's what I've said before about whenever you were saying, well, I'm thinking about shutting it down. I was like, well, think about all of the things it's actually doing for you.

1:08:40 Even if you just do all the crap and no one shows up, right? Yeah. If I want to be a true intellectual, I think I have to hone my, do more on the body side. Like, I have all these plenty of outlets for intellectual right, college classes, conducting my own, you know, doing podcasts, conducting my own intellectual discussions, philosophical discussion.

1:09:03 Right. Right. Plus other things. Right. Still do tutoring? Still do all that fun stuff. So when you lump all that in, I spend a lot of time.

1:09:17 Yeah. So I need to put in the body work, I think. And, you know, I was talking to one of my friends at work on Friday, Nick, and we were talking about how some of the best technology people, some of the best IT people, some of the best troubleshooters we know have hobbies that are in some ways complementary but divergent.

1:09:38 Definitely. Like, you know, some avid hiker or something? Yeah. We were both talking about the best IT people we know happened to be mechanics. Oh, there's definitely. Man, that 100% makes sense. I mean, totally in the same brain house, right? Yeah. All right. Brain stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's in the same, you know, side of the hemisphere, some hemisphere of the brain, but also, you know, it's it reinforces that whole thinking about systems troubleshooting, diving into why something doesn't work.

1:10:07 And also, if you're fixing something on your own car, generally you're trying to do it with whatever you have available. Right. Yeah. There's definitely like, the brain body tie in is like really important. If you want to really, really succeed in something intellectual, you have to be doing something physical as well. Yes. No doubt about it. Because, you know, you're giving your, your you're giving the supporting platform to your brain.

1:10:35 Exactly. And also you're giving a chance for whatever you're doing, these other activities. You're given a chance for your basal ganglia to crank on problems that you've been trying to figure out you're giving a chance for. That's right. And you're practicing something, whether you know it or not. Like so like if you could be practicing being a being a sleaze ball, right?

1:10:54 You can get practice being a lazy scumbag. Right. You know, and the more you practice it, the better you'll get at it. True. So the question is, what do you want to be good at? Right. You know, and like it. Security is such a broad domain. Yeah, you have to you have to specialize. You're going to be specialized.

1:11:11 And then you have to generalize sometimes and specialize. Oh, yeah. Right. And in order to do that I think we should talk about that sometime that cycles of generalization and specialization and how it really does help your career I think. Yeah. Like you can be a very unsuccessful jack of all trades and master of none. Sure. You know, very easily you can be capable of very competent, able to do almost anything.

1:11:33 But since you've never specialized, you don't command the money that you know. That's it. That's it. You know, the specialist commands the dollars, especially commands the dollars and also the specialist. That's one of the ways you gain cash, respect and connection. Yeah. So like the general practitioner physician, you know, makes, let's say, 230,000 a year. The brain specialist that that focus is on a very particular type of tumor and operating on it and removing it, let's say a needle gland or something.

1:12:05 Sure. It's $500,000 a year. Yeah. Traveling all over the country. Right. Holding classes and this and that. There you go. And, you know, overall, the general practitioner might be doing more good. True. Right. But, the value is with the specialist. Yeah, we can talk about that sometimes. Talk about it tomorrow. Let's do it. Set tomorrow's topic.

1:12:26 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, the final conversation I want to tell you about this cocker spaniel. Circling back to that is a let's let's cross the street, maybe void that barking dog. I heard it from way back here. It's out. Anyway, there's this dog, and, I hated that thing. Dog was just a piece of shit.

1:12:50 Tried to nip at me multiple times. Right. That's right. And, it just didn't have a good temperament. You know, and that was the dog I was telling you about the time they ate all those hot dogs and made it like a mountain of shit that, like. Oh, yeah, was, like, looked like the mountain of shit was equal to the volume of the dog.

1:13:05 It's like, how is that possible? And that was that same dog. So I had a long relationship with the dog because I was, this is this is like one of the first loves that I had. The girl was dating, and, we were together for quite some time anyway. So I had a long standing relationship to the dog.

1:13:20 Well, one day they were over at my place, and, I heard something. I was like, what is that? Someone in my house? Okay. So I, like, go downstairs, like with the metaphoric baseball bat. Yeah. And, turn on the lights. And the dog had knocked over the trash and gotten into the chicken bone. Right. And so I go to, like, sweep the trash up with my hand and, like, you know, put the trash together.

1:13:40 Dog nips at me and growls, snarls. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yep. I grabbed a towel that was right there. It was like full size towel swung around his neck and wrapped it up and lift it up in the air like a hangman's noose. Stir it in the eye while it's snowing and saying, oh yeah, you know, you think you're better.

1:13:55 Damn, dude. It's like showing it. Who's charge? Who's in charge? Sure. That's a little rough. It was a little rough, but, this is, you know, things try to bite me. Right? Right. So, you wanted to take it down a notch? Yeah. And it wasn't, like, tight around his neck. It was just holding it. Got it. Yeah, he probably shouldn't.

1:14:10 Holding animal round the neck, but, But, hey, it stopped it snarling and attacking you. Yeah. And that was just more of my temperament of the time. And so with the other free hand, I, you know, I didn't hold it in the air. I put it back down quickly. I just, like, lifted up like. Oh yeah. And then put it back down.

1:14:23 Yeah. And then while I was restraining it, I was picked up the trash. Yeah. Right. But I took it back upstairs and, you know, told the girl I was dating, what just happened and all that stuff, and I cleaned it all up and whatnot, but it was annoying. Anyway, I heard later on, we broke up down the road, you know, way down the road.

1:14:41 And later I was talking to this girl, and she told me the fate of that dog. Oh, shit. Right. Yeah. There's killer, but of course, we're far away now, and so it won't completely be abrupt and disrupt our podcast. So, hot dog, we went. Anyway, this planning has defeated you. Here is the gruesome fate of the Cocker spaniel.

1:15:01 What happened? Elijah. It was out in the yard playing around the mother. Yeah, the mother was like a real hippie. And like the dog was. They had this big field in the back, and the dog was able to, like, free run and, you know, had had everything. Yeah. I built the doghouse. It was this beautiful doghouse. Cool. I had built it.

1:15:18 They had asked me to build one. No problem. So I built the doghouse, and it was killer like. Beautiful dog house, like. So the dog had this awesome doghouse field to frolic in, right? Yeah. It had the life of Riley named Elijah. They had the life of YJ. Anyway, the dogs running around, and it was it was it loved her mom.

1:15:40 Okay. Loved her mom. Like, would always like jump up on his hind legs and freak out. Do spins and stuff, right? And, the mom was there, and the mom got in her station wagon and was backing out and and and the dog ran the back tire and was slow pressed. She was backing out slowly, trying to look to see make sure she didn't hit the dog.

1:16:05 And she slowly Gilbert. And so she slow rolled the dog and like that was one one and done. It wasn't just like, like injured. It was like literally squashed. Squished. Yeah. And so that was the, that was the that was the, the tragic fate. Oh, and honestly, I had like very small compassion. So you know I was like yeah that sucks.

1:16:30 Sorry to hear that. But in my mind I'm like you know good riddance. Yeah I think like damn the dog in my mind was just a piece of shit dog. Damn. It was like it at all. I love dogs that are well disciplined, highly trained, highly disciplined. I love, like, when I had those two pets when I was a kid, those two German shepherds, they were like, heal.

1:16:50 And they'd come right, like running to your heel and sit down right at your heel. Yeah. I mean, they were like trained up to a T, you know, sit. Boom. Instantaneously. Sit. I mean, there's a certain joy in that, there's also a certain joy and I think, you know, hey, if I can get them well-behaved enough I want them to have some personality.

1:17:09 I don't know. Oh definitely. The combination is the best right. But those dogs would be, like barking at something. Yeah. Hush. Boom! Instantaneous. That's awesome. They stop barking like they followed. They followed every command to a T, right. That was a dog that you can have off a leash 100% because you'd just be like, come. And they didn't come to you.

1:17:28 That's cool. Yeah. And we talked to maybe like 50 total commands. I mean, they they were really highly trained and very smart. Yeah, they did the whole paw roll over everything. All those cute tricks. Yep. And we'd play fetch with them and everything. And they would just. Yeah, they were, they were beautiful dogs. They were so responsive and love that kind of dog behavior.

1:17:49 The kind of dog where just doesn't listen to you. You know, it's never been trained. It's not my cup of tea. Yeah. I mean, my dog, somewhere in the middle, she'll do something. Some tricks and everything. You know, she has a little bit of a problem with barking, but you get her pretty quickly to be quiet. She'll she'll leave it.

1:18:06 She'll, you know, so she'll leave stuff alone. But I wouldn't put her off leash. And this dog had this, like, really terrible kind of group that everything. If I was the only one with the dog, it was like my friend. You know, but as soon as soon as she came around, my girlfriend came around. It was like, who are you type mentality?

1:18:24 And I'm like, bitch. We were just. Yeah, we were just. We were just. We were just kicking it. And now she comes in the room and I'm. I'm chopped liver, you know? Hell, no. Well, she was always the one giving it the treats, right? Yeah. So the the loyalty factor was, irritating me as well. Like most things about this dog's temperament and personality was just irritating.

1:18:44 It sounds like it. It's like the kind of things I don't like in dogs. Kind of all culminated into one dog. Damn. Like, I'm really kind of. How dare you nip at me. Kind of, you know, human. I don't take that well at all. Yeah, I do not. I'm not interested in dogs that nip at me or children.

1:19:01 No, I just try to nip that in the bud. The kind of dog is like a golden retriever where, like, the kid is like pulling on the fur, pulling on its face, clawing at it. And the golden fear is like, nope. Everything's cool. You know, it's like the best dog, man. I love that temperament. Yeah, like not saying a dog that can take abuse.

1:19:20 I'm talking about, like. Right. There's no way in the temperament of that dog. Oh, no matter what. We're not going to dip that kid. Yeah, it's not going to eat the kid's face. Yeah, it's not guarding a marijuana patch. Yeah, right. Right. We're not picking a golden retriever to guard of marijuana or a Labrador retriever. No, no, no, because your weed will be gone.

1:19:39 Yeah. And I have nothing to do with the dog. The dog will just watch. Someone will wag their tail while someone's cultivating your weed. Right? Yeah, yeah. And if they come by and pet it days. Good. So the last thing that I'll tell you for today is that where this whole marijuana patch thing idea comes from is that,

1:19:57 That's funny. I usually turn my ringer off, and I thought I had. Anyway, there was literally a headline that I saw years and years ago and, you know, we were talking about, like, six sense of humor. Right. It was like baby killed by pitbull while guarding marijuana patch. Oh, God. Right. And two two things made me laugh.

1:20:20 Right. First of all, the baby guarding the marijuana. Right. Right. The the word use was a little odd. It could be construed that the baby was the one guarding the middle. Yeah. Right. And second of all, like, the surreal, grouping of those words. Yeah. Right. Like baby killed by pitbull while guarding marijuana badge. You know, it's like, is there another way to say that headline?

1:20:44 Like, I would think there would be. And the idea that a baby would die because there was a animal guarding of marijuana patch. It was just like, so like some of the alternate universe to me. Yeah. That I it made me laugh in a completely off disgusting way. Well, yeah, it's just not it's not a situation that's easy for us to manage or internalize.

1:21:07 I mean, what are they living at? The marijuana patch and then said baby was let loose. I mean, so the headline couldn't have been worded better, actually, because, see, I remember it to this day. True. So it was like it did its job of all the hundreds of thousands of headlines I've seen. Right. The the author of that headline is like, probably borderline genius.

1:21:27 I think the only one that I remember that is a little weird. It is a.

1:21:36 Local doctor investigates recto vaginal fistula or the official investigates. Yeah. And I was like, what? Why?

1:21:49 Well, if a child comes up with a fisher down there, you'd probably investigate. Yeah. No doubt. And, you know, that, hey, you know, you've got that muscle wall between the, the intestines and the and the vaginal area or something like that. You know, you you definitely gas and shit or passing between the two. I mean, it's a bad situation, and.

1:22:14 Yeah, we'll we'll save that. We'll put a pin in that one because there's a story you just brought up to my mind that is like, has to be recorded. Yeah, man. And how that brings out a story is a story of itself. So anyway, that's enough for today.