0:01 Just saying. That might start a fight.

0:06 Choking on my nuts, isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it funny? Amongst guys, there's still like. There's like this code. You could be, like, great friends with somebody. But if they if they just cross a certain line, it would just go down right away. Oh, yeah. It's like, you know what? You know, fuck you. I've known you for 20 years, but died.

0:25 But you just hit me with the money shot. That wasn't even supposed to be happening. But nearby me, right anywhere near me or something. Right along those lines. It wasn't even the money shot. I said I was eating a nut bar. Covered in oh so wonderful dark drizzle. Chocolate. And I said. He said, I'll eat this afterwards because I don't want to be, you know, having all this stuff in my teeth and choking.

0:52 I said, yeah, I'm about to be spewing particulates of nut at you. You you poke my son in the eye. Like intentionally. Right? Like there's limits or like. Or something. Right? Like like otherwise. Like take a huge snip from your man card somehow. Yeah. Like, maybe even cut it into ribbons.

1:18 I like the scarecrow. You see this? Yeah. She, like, looks like. Looks like the solicitor. It does, it does. Beware of the white man. Yeah. That garden has the man as a scarecrow. That's awesome.

1:39 That's funny. Couldn't be pinned down to one race. He has a black face and a white. Oh, that's why he's the man. He's in blackface. Oh. That's it. Like, he's. He's so woke that he's racist. It's like he's he's like he's going back around. Yeah. He celebrates Juneteenth by going around in blackface and seeing the hate that he gets.

1:56 And he, he, he, at his restaurant, he sells Juneteenth watermelon salad. He I saw that. I saw that. There he is. Yeah. Who showed that? Was that Trevor? Noah might have been talking about that. I just saw, like, Trevor Noah. I saw some on it, but he's hilarious. He's funny, but I, you know, I, I've heard a lot of stuff from him that was from a museum that is not here.

2:21 Yeah. I mean, well, you know, it comes down to his sensibilities are different. He's a what, a South African comedian. Yeah, his sensibilities are different, and that's fine. But he doesn't get a pass in my mind. Like he said, some straight up ill shit, like. Yeah, like racist ill shit. And I don't always agree with him or thinks he's funny.

2:44 Yeah. I mean, you know, every once in a while you listen to him and he's hilarious. He's like, you're actually actually laughing, right? Yeah. But then sometimes you're like, flick. Yeah. So you just do something else, you know? And.

2:59 But I do like John Oliver for the same reason. I don't always think he's funny, but he always does challenge me. Yeah. You know, it'd be so awesome. There's these restaurants like this. Same building right here. Like they take this old brick, you know, and they are going to turn it something inside. And, you know, they redid the tile on the outside.

3:20 Yeah. The brick inside is going to be, like, distressed, right? Like, you know how they do that wall of, like, distressed brick and, you know, it's like it was like, yeah, it looks like shit. And it's like. But somehow it's like, supposed to be great. Yeah. And then they'll sell like, $3 sandwiches, but they're going to be $13 because it says bistro or eatery or gastropub, right.

3:42 Yep. Instead of just like Bob Sandwich Shop. Yeah. Right. So they add those words and it's automatically expensive. It's the same shit ingredients. Right. And it's also an up and coming neighborhood. Yeah. Up and coming neighborhood. Oh, boy. There's a loaded term. Gentrification for the win. Gentrification? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess we all can't be for being sarcastic.

4:11 The whole. The whole world can't be Valentine. No. Or can it? Well. We'll see. Do you hear this? Like, hype about the AI from Google? The guy got canned because he said he he the they achieved sentience. I did hear that. And I read an article on it, and it's like he was saying sapiens. And it's like, okay, so of or like homo sapiens or possibly why and learned.

4:43 Sure. So they gave like a little bit of excerpt of some of the stuff that this thing was saying. It was dumb. It was like, this damn thing did a Google search. Yeah. Well, you know, originally it's going to be pretty much limited to like, regurgitating what it can, what it can find. Yeah. And well, Alexa can do that now.

5:02 And Siri does that now and. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, how do you how do you make the determination anyway? You know, that something is sentient and that it does bring up that. Good point. They did a Star Trek episode on that. The Next Generation, they had data on trial, and they were trying to determine if data was sentient.

5:23 And, they, they gave, like a shit. What was it, like a three way test? Intelligent. Self-Aware and has a consciousness. Oh, right. So, like, Picard was advocating for him and says, well, clearly data is intelligent and they all agree to that. Yeah, right. He's self-aware because he knew where he was and that he was what he was doing.

5:45 And you know what? He was participating in a proceeding. And then the question was, you know, does he have consciousness? Well how do you know. I don't know. Do you know, do I know. It's a highly subjective thing. Yeah. And so they turned it into like you know, you watched the show and you, anyone watching the Star Trek The Next Generation, enough episodes would agree that that data, like, seems living like a living thing, right?

6:10 I mean, absolutely, he grows, he changes, he adapts. Yeah. And so, like, as the audience, as the viewer, you're already from the from the state of mind that he's sentient, right? Like, you treat him just as you would any of the other characters. So they turned it on its head by saying, you know, if you were able to just replicate data any number of times.

6:32 So, like, there's an infinite number of data, it marginalizes and makes them. So he's just disposable. Right. But then that's true too, for anything like anything living. Right. So like, let's say that I could take some skin cells from you, right? Process your urine and make some stem cells. Like, I guess there's a process where you can do that too.

6:50 Sure. And so from stem cells and one of your, one of your skin cells, I make an army of Sean's. But right again. And I can keep making armies of Sean's like, as many as I want. Sure. So. And thousands of Sean's. We have a clone army. But, you know, doing that does not replicate the dumb shit that I would spew every day or the set of actions that I would perform because.

7:21 Yeah, right. Each one has its own unique life that unfolds. Right? Experiences that unfold. But from a standpoint of an organic being, it is a clone. Yeah. And if you could just make an infinite number, is any one any particular have any particular value? Right. You'd have to then say like the same thing I do in generalizing humanity.

7:41 Everybody has to be an end under themselves. So you can say every clone of Sean is an end unto itself and, you know, just as valid. And then we and we come down to Star Wars half assed exploration of that with a clone army and everything. Sure. And, you know, it turns out a couple of them kind of broke out and decided they were rebelling.

8:03 Yeah. Well, so then you can only argue that that has to be experiential exposure, right? Yeah. Or like, you know, maybe the force chose them, you know, whatever. As soon as you get the force involved in, anything's possible. True. But I guess what I'm trying to say is, you know, there in lies. The rub is the experimental exposure, the, the response to stimuli, the.

8:28 You know, it. At first, one could say it's as much of a flip of a coin as anything. Yeah. Right. Then after continued exposure, personality emerges. Emergent behavior. There you go. Yeah. So the clone is going to be just as valid as a naturally born, you know, person then, right? Yeah. It would have to be, unless you say that the only way that you can create a human with a soul is through the, you know, natural process.

8:56 Right. And maybe and because, I mean, we haven't really we shall never quantify a soul because we because it doesn't exist. Yeah. If it doesn't, that was easy. Highly damn probable it doesn't exist. But there may be some sort of spark. There may be some sort of thing that imbues life with your hive. I personally think it's instinct and need to survive, but.

9:22 Hey. Well, maybe anything is possible. We can make up any number of derivative, imaginative ideas like the soul, until there's evidence to believe something exists, such as that, there's really no reason to believe that exists. Right. It's merely a thought exercise and, you know, intellectual wink, if we will. Yeah. I was arguing in the last Nova social that the, you know, the mainstream media, modern, modern times, misinformation is being spread, you know, all over the place like crazy in 2022.

9:53 And it's just intensifying, getting worse because there's such a huge, you know, to be gained by certain actors or agents spreading misinformation. Right. This information is like the easiest way to undermine something like. So if you're going to go to war, let's say, or have a have a cultural massive difference between you and your state rival. So let's say Russia versus the United States, right?

10:18 Okay. Yeah, probably the number $1 per bang for your book. Could be, you know, misinformation, a misinformation campaign. Imagine that. Right. So like on social media, you know, thousands and thousands of bots going out, spreading these idea to try to undermine the other. It would never happen. Nations. No, I mean, it's happening right now, that sort of thing.

10:40 Yeah, yeah. Not only is it happening, but it's, you know, it's it's above board even. It's like. Right. You know, the states involved know each other, are doing this, and it's like a cloak and dagger. You know, what are you going to call it? Like misinformation? Arms race between the nations, right? Yeah. It's like a new form of a Cold war.

11:00 Like an information age Cold war. Right. There we go. And so if you can undermine the, you know, belief structure or the foundational, you know, kind of cultural ideas of the other nation through misinformation, right? So the seeds of distrust for, you know, the other, the other, the people of the other countries government. So, like, if Russia could sell seeds of doubt in a large number of people's minds that the US government is corrupt, right.

11:30 Then it's like a huge, you know, my gosh for setting up a few servers, you know with enough software to where you can like run these AI, run these bots that are spreading information. Having some humans at the helm I hear. Oh yeah. Have quite a few people shepherding this thing. Yeah. So let's say you're paying a dozen salaries of pretty decent engineers, right?

11:54 This whole podcast will be coughing. That's funny.

11:59 It's these choking on. Yeah, I'm just choking on my nut. I ate too much nut this morning. I won't tell anybody. Oh, your secret safe with a recorded podcast. Oh, yeah. That's going to be widely disseminated. Hopefully.

12:14 So. So imagine. Right. For very little investment. You can you could you could do something as big as make people believe that the election was stolen and have the generous six. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Right. So that just shows you how powerful misinformation is. Well, you know, you get down to it and you know, social media 2022 is like now the biggest disseminate by far of misinformation.

12:41 And it also happens to be where most people or most people get their news, right. Yeah. So like more Americans get their news now through social media than any other channel conduit. And it just so happens that that conduit is by far the most, you know, propagating the largest form of misinformation, source of misinformation. So it's like a perfect storm for, you know, dissent, all kinds of beliefs and variances and beliefs that cause people to make bad decisions.

13:11 Yeah. Bad information leads to bad decisions as the premise. Yeah. Anyway, so I was arguing that, like, garbage. Yeah, yeah, I was I was arguing that the original source.

13:27 There we go. So my parents always told me when I was eating not to inhale my food. And now I know why. Yep. I aspirated a bar.

13:40 There we go. So much better. Yeah. My my my fun found argument was that back in the day, you know, religion was inevitably the primary source of misinformation. Yeah. And to prove that religion has to be hyper loaded, like, like a majority of it must be misinformation. All right, just look at what the religions say about other religions.

14:03 Right. Right. So if there's thousands of, you know, religion's that have emerged over time, tens of thousands, surely, that have retained over time. And all of them are mutually exclusive, saying that religion is wrong and they're lying. Right. The only true religion is this 100, let's say over the course of human history you have. How can how can we be wrong that many times just.

14:28 Yeah without it being misinformation. And then not only that, like you said, all sorts of religions have come about and been either subsumed or ideologically wiped away by.

14:47 The ones that exist now. I mean, there's only really. Yeah. Right. A handful. Right. Right. So of the surviving religions, they still say they're still mutually exclusive. They still say each other's wrong. Like Christianity says is long wrong. Right. And maybe that's an ingredient for me. Medic. Survival. Yeah. So only by, you know, mathematics. You know, a majority of it must be misinformation.

15:11 I'm claiming almost all of it is. If not. If not all of it. Yeah. You know, I think just even mathematically, without even having to get into deep and, you know, splitting hairs on any given religion, we can come to the conclusion that most religion is disseminated of misinformation. Right. Right. And some of the people are talking to you couldn't handle that.

15:30 Like they can handle all kinds of forms, like, you know, Fox News might not be. So they could handle weaker versions of what you were saying. But to say that something that is a core tenet of either their lives or other people they know is lies. Yeah. Or something that's culturally attenuation when they have cultural attenuation to a certain ideology.

15:48 They don't want to see that as misinformation. Right. They're like, hey, I'm used to I'm comfortable with Christianity. I have it swirling around me. You know. Yeah. Therefore, it can't just call it misinformation. Yeah. It's inappropriate then just calling this information. So, you know, just like, question is, if someone believes something and they repeat that belief and that belief is incorrect.

16:13 Are they a disseminated misinformation? Yes. Yes they are. But just because they believe it doesn't mean it's not false. Right. And you know. All right. But they're not as that's happened forever. And it will and it will. Yeah. Because, you know, that's just the nature of humans communicating. There's a lot of noise to the signal. Yeah. Right, right, right.

16:39 So my father read a bunch of stupid shit online, right? And then I was up visiting him and we were talking. He started talking about the vaccine. The Covid vaccine. Right. And he's like, yeah, exactly. And he goes, I hope you're not going to put that shit in my grandchildren, right? And I'm like, what should in them, the Covid virus or the vaccine.

16:58 What are you talking about? Right. Yeah. Yeah. He was referring to the vaccine. Right. You know, as if, like, you know, he read somewhere online that, you know, whatever the we talking about the extreme religious version, that it's the mark of the beast and all that. Not not that, but just some derivative of like, you know, it's a it's a conspiracy, you know, conspiracy theory type shit.

17:19 Got it. And so, you know, if he's going around with that now belief spreading this bullshit. Yeah. You know, which is true for many, many people. Right. So you can imagine, like, what are these state actors getting a huge bang for their buck by coming in and just saying, you know, spreading misinformation, undermining all kinds of different initiatives from government to, you know, social structure.

17:43 Yeah. To to to sow the seeds of dissent in another populace. Your rival. Right. That's it. And, you know, getting getting a huge effect from that form of warfare really is what it is. Yeah. Ideological warfare. It's a it's a it's a psychological operation. It's a, you know, it's a step up from let's distribute fliers.

18:08 Yeah. So, you know, you look in the mainstream media, they have the they have the money interest under underlying it. Right. So they have this corporate controlled money interest but underlying everything. Yeah. And so they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. So they're going to select certain information or skew it in a certain way to where inevitably they're disseminating a lot of misinformation.

18:26 And then you take the same kind of format. You put it into a Facebook algorithm, some kind of social media algorithm. And by God you have like nightmare, a formula for disaster. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. And so that's exactly what we're seeing right here. So back to the sentient thing, right? The AI being sentient or whatever, is that.

18:44 First of all, who the hell makes that test? I mean, I'd argue there's no test. Yeah. Are you. We're not capable of making that test at this juncture. So just like in that Star Trek episode, prove that I'm sentient. Yeah. Right. Right. Like you can't. So we're going to probably have to just take this idea of an AI, be in sentient and just abandon it and say, no, there's no real definition anyway.

19:08 We might be able to do a weaker version and say sapient like it is wise or it has. It's able to synthesize these disparate facts into something that comes across as good advice or. Yeah. So. So anything that has a facsimile to that right would then qualify the same thing. For example, like if a parent goes, wait, you throw something, what, you throw away a bunch of food, right.

19:35 And a pair of goes ways. Not what not. Yeah. Right. Right. Then the parrot is then saying wisdom. But we know the parrot is just repeating. You know something I said, right? And so in the, in the, in the, in the case of the parrot, we don't say, oh, why is sentience right? Right. Right. We say, oh, it's learned to mimic.

19:52 But you say some kind of super Google AI and now it has the automatic, you know, foundation, all the leaf. Right. We believe automatically because it's a Google AI. Right. That it's not just the fucking parrot fancy version. Right. And you know, I, I did run across a God. What was it? I'm not sure what kind of bird it was.

20:18 It was my ex-wife, grandma's bird. And she'd have conversations with it like it was like she'd put it to bed and she'd be like, okay, Oscar, time to go to bed. And I know he'd go, no, you go to bed. And then he'd start freaking out, jumping around, and then, you know, if he was, if he was doing something that he wasn't supposed to do, he'd tell on himself.

20:49 You're like dad, Oscar. That's funny. After he, After he, like, pooped on the, cartons or something. Had reprimand itself. Yeah. Batman. Batman. Yeah. Bad bird.

21:04 And, you know, he loved women. He would just sit on their heads, play with their hair, and just sing them songs.

21:14 Show me your tits. Right. That's totally what it seems. Oscar. Oh my God. Where did you learn that? Mommy's been playing her poor. Too loud. I'll show you later.

21:31 Full frontal, full frontal. Okay. Kinky bird. Damn. Yeah, I'm sure like it, you know. So back to the idea is like, hey, you know, how the hell do you. There's no there's no legit test right at all. Neither is there for you. Now, let's say for argument's sake, you start to just do like a measurement of neuron type thing.

21:51 Right. So, like you say, when you get like X critical mass. Right. Yeah. Of, of of neural connectivity with the idea of like being able to share neurons just like the human brain does. Right. Sure. And you get a digital equivalent. You get a digital equivalent to the human brain plus. Right. Maybe mathematically you can just say, you know, this thing has so many connections per neuron, blah, blah, blah.

22:16 Yeah. Therefore, therefore it has a mind comparable to a human mind. Right. Okay. And then you can put it to some performance metrics and to verify that like indeed this thing does have, you know, on its own not connected to the internet. Isolated. Right. Just like a human brain is isolated. Yeah. For the most part, less sensory input.

22:38 So you allow the system some sensory input, but not like connectivity. The internet. That wouldn't be fair. Right. Right. It's just a it's just a super reader. Yeah. And then you just ask it some questions and talk to it, and then maybe even give it an IQ test, some kind of future version of an IQ test. Right. Sure.

22:56 And check out its reasonable reasoning capabilities. Like, is it truly an AGI. Right. Can it can it take task? Can I take what it's learned from one thing and translate that to a novel? You know, question. So forgive my ignorance. What is AG advanced general intelligence. Got it. Artificial or advanced? That word sometimes used interchangeably, but I think predominantly artificial general intelligence.

23:20 Okay. Okay, cool. And the idea is that it can take skill transfer from one thing and apply it to a novel situation. That makes sense, right? Okay. So it's not just intelligence through application of knowledge. Right. It can play chess. Get to a grand master, you know, kind of level in chess, and then use that same information to figure out other problems in life, like multiple multiple steps, depth problems, not just board games.

23:43 Yeah, yeah. You can prove, in essence, that it has executive functions and can manage multiple tasks. Pivot to things, all that. Right. So it learns. It learns mathematics, the rules of mathematics. And then that improves its logical reasoning in other areas of life. Right. Okay. And well other areas of life isn't fair in other areas of logical reasoning.

24:03 So okay. It's been proven if you give kids chores, they their executive functions improve their ability to write, you know, manage, task, all those things. That's exactly the idea. So I wonder if that should be a component of AI training. Give it chores. Awesome. Yeah. Rosie the robot with this training, that's all. That's just like slavery is just training.

24:27 And that's. And that's what they raised in the Star Trek episode. They said, you know, are we actually creating a new race of slaves? Is this are we? I think Picard put it as, how did he say I love the wording so I can I know I can recall it here. He says, do we expand the liberties of others, the freedoms and liberties of others, and savagely curtail them for others?

24:50 Right. So, like this new species, this new race that's just being cloned out right. And made to then do our bidding, does that that increases our freedom and our, you know, luxury and quality of life. But there. Yeah. Right, right. Right, savagely curtails savagely. She's a great use of words. I think it is. Yeah. So the the idea then was that the court case or whatever you want to call it, the trial, you know, couldn't, couldn't be resolved.

25:22 And so it was a it was a mistrial. Therefore data got to keep his rights. His rights were infringed. So, you know, it was a good precursor to this whole idea of talking about AI rights. Robot rights. You know? Yeah. Like, if something has to suffer, does it then, you know, incur some type of rights like we do with animals, right?

25:44 Well, we just had a situation where they were in New York State was trying to determine whether or not a elephant was a person. They came. Well, I can take care of I could take care of that really easily. And elephant isn't a person, right? Yeah, but I'm not opposed to, like, assigning some type of right still. Yeah.

26:04 And I guess that was the ultimate question. Hey, do we give this elephant some kind of agency, some sort of rights? Yeah, yeah, I'm done with that now. Now, if we can give a corporation sentience, if we can say a corporation is a person, right, then sure. Let's say elephants are mean. Well, I mean, really, though, I don't see it being much of a stretch.

26:25 I really think good morning. That what we should. I really think if that's the standard, then yes, all of these things should be given some barebones rights. Sure. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. And so, there's this song that's old song I probably heard it for. It's like, oh. Ratty. Nobody worried about me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I misheard that as a young person, and I thought it was animal.

26:52 Right? Ain't no buddy worried about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the animal rights are. People are getting so worried about animals that they're, you know, so I missed I misinterpreted that. Yeah, yeah, when I was young. But it was neat because that put, like, a different idea to my mind. Right. So, on that same on that same note, I've misheard lots of, like, you know, I, I have, like, really good headphones now, like, I was an adult.

27:19 Right. Yeah. And I've had some pretty good stereo systems, you know, as an adult. Right. And I can't tell you how many songs I've heard and heard differently. Yeah, I heard the right there. It's finally right. Or better yet, like, pull up the lyrics to the song because, like, is that that's what they said. What the fuck? I mean, yeah, same here.

27:41 And it really has everybody here. Yeah. Because, you know, we put in all the different layers of instruments and stuff and some of the gravelly, you know, voices screaming, you know, you're just another instrument. Yeah. And can get like, mine can hear something that's not really there. Right. So I remember a really funny one was a AC, DC.

28:01 Yes, it d d d and the dirt cheap, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. This one's really bad for me. When I was a kid, I thought it was dirty D's, like some kind of rebel group. Oh, right. And the Thunder Jeep. Oh, yeah. So that's what I heard. Some all banged out thunder Jeep. So? So just imagine, like the.

28:22 So I said sheep as a kid. Okay. As a kid, I don't remember what else I said, but I know the last word was sheep. You're feeling me? Yeah, exactly. Good morning. And I, I do remember my dad corrected me on that. He left his ass off, and it was like. It's cheap.

28:41 I had no one to correct me. Right. Like, for for forever. As a kid, every time I saw some dirt cheap. Yeah, Dirty Deeds and the Thunder Jeep, and there's, like, some video game that my mind mapped it to were like, you get in this Jeep and, you know, you drive around and shoot the little pellets like I at, you know, north, south, east, west, northeast, northwest.

29:02 Southeast, southwest. Right. Like those are your directions that you could shoot. And it was like this rebel group of contras like in it. So that was like the dirty deeds and the Thunder Jeep. That's so awesome. So stupid. Right? No. It's great. So, like, there's, like, the incidental, you know, the mind trading associations off of mistakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:24 And how much of that happens in people's lives constantly? And like you said, though, it doesn't always have to be a detrimental thing. Yeah. Like, might come up with some kind of new, you know. Yeah. Thing that really no one's thought of. What? Because you're. Because you're messed up. Yeah. You're making some weird association that nobody's ever made because you're not hearing something, right?

29:43 Yeah, right. And isn't that like, you know how penicillin was discovered? Like the guy was trying to find, you know, so many discoveries have been discovered by actually, you know. Yeah. Someone, like, trying to do something and failing. Yeah. It's like guy tries to make superglue and ends up making this really weak glue. And now we have post-it notes.

29:59 Yeah. Kevlar. Yeah. All kinds of shit. Yeah. The guy was trying to make something to, better rubber for tires and ended up making Kevlar. The rubber guy that made the first vulcanized rubber was a mistake. He was like, wow. He'd given up and was, you know, bankrupt trying to make this happen and then overcooked something on the stove or something.

30:21 And it turned to something like that, and it turned into the discovery of had a hardened rubber to use some tires and.

30:30 Yeah. So how many times. Does that happen? Right. Yeah. And so when you have this explosion of AI and AI can just try out virtually all these different possibilities. My gosh, humans are just going to be blown away. Like we're going to be left in the dust. We are because we don't have the faculties or the we can't fail as fast because we don't have.

30:52 That's that's kind of like what virtualization on the computing front does for us. It gives us an environment to fail fast, especially if we can mechanize it and instrument. Yeah. Right. But so when AI takes it to another level. Yeah. And if it instruments life. Yeah. And if it's doing it on its own. On its own. Right. Yeah.

31:09 Especially if it's like undirected, you know. Right. Like who knows. It's just going to maybe start trying all possibilities together. You know, keep expanding. Jesus. It has nothing else to do. Yeah. And on top of that, I mean, as long as there's power, it doesn't have a limit, right? You know. Yeah. Right. So you start going out, going with this idea of like, you know, some of the great scientific minds of the time.

31:36 They didn't just have to think differently. They had to think like, you know, with this putting unusual things together, like Einstein comes to mind working in the patent office and all that stuff. Right. Seeing all these different ideas starts to think about things go, well, what if the frame of reference is, you know, is relative? Something we don't consider?

31:54 Einstein's wife is brilliant as well. Oh, yeah. And I would often stay up many nights.

32:03 Writing things with him, coming up with things. And her view on her success was his success is mine. There you go. Well, a couple is going to be much better served, you know, taking on that kind of attitude. Absolutely. Then like, you know, let's keep everything separate, you know. True. If you can truly think as, like, you know, a true partnership where their success and your success or entwined and yeah, you're going to end up much better off long term in the relationship, especially if you both have complementary skill sets.

32:35 Good point. Yeah, yeah. Or, Supplementary. Yeah. In a in a bizarre way. Yeah, right. Like, one's really good with the money. The other one's really good with the social network, right? Yeah. Something along those lines. And in these days, those two things would pair swimmingly. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. Or maybe just like, the ability to navigate all the fucking fuckery in life.

33:02 Yeah. Very effectively. Right. So, like a couple that just doesn't let each other's sweat the small stuff, you know, type thing. Hell, yeah. So then you're not held down by these chains, and you're able to run free and unfettered across the landscape that you know and understand. I mean, that would be really in today's world. Yeah. Okay. Navigating misinformation.

33:25 Oh, yeah. Preventing each other for falling for the dumb, stupid shit ideas that are out there. And I could argue that many times relationships I've had, if either had me fall prey to misinformation or helped me avoid it. But yeah. Yeah. And the really weird thing about misinformation is you don't know how much you have been made victim of it.

33:48 No, never. You don't really have a true, you know, test to measure it. Again. You can only look at it relatively. You can say, well, I've not descended into the ideological, you know, pit of despair as much as this person. Yeah. Oh, cool. We get to climb a mountain, no doubt, this morning. Oh, shit. We're. We're at the steepest hill in Charlotte again on Easter 10th Street.

34:13 So? So if you hear, like, a deep breathing, it's not. We're not aspirated anything right now. Yeah, but it's going to be like oh it's our it's our muscle tissue saying the metabolic rate is too great for the level of oxygen. Yeah. Unfortunately I am not one of those people that has poor lactic acid production. Yeah, I make it well.

34:35 There's some kind of like the something measurement of like how fast you recover. Oh is there. Yeah. There's some kind of like I guess people that do like, marathons and shit. Cool. So they quantify it. Mega athletes. Yeah. They can, like, measure how fast they can recover. That's cool. Like a sprint, a certain amount. And then how fast can you.

34:56 Can you do it again? Yeah. Okay. Do it again. That's a different thing. That's true. But how fast can you recover and be it a normal state?

35:09 Yeah. From what I understand, males have a certain male. Humans have a certain amount of recovery period that's required on, you know, there's a great there's an average, right. You know, some people just like one and done. Yeah. Whereas others all night and then everyone else is in between. Yeah. Mine generally is about ten minutes. And I can only go.

35:36 My max is usually about three times if I'm really happy. I would just I just blame her.

35:45 Back in the day though, I'm sure we were both like, oh yeah, six times. That's fine. Sure. Depends on the on the subject material, right? Right. You know, of course, one of thing. And it was definitely whatever it might be of 3 to 6 times. I'm talking about quantity over quality here. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. And then there's you know, overall level of fitness, age levels, all the all kinds of shit coming into play, right.

36:16 Well, hopefully not all kinds of shit come into play. That's that's a different topic. Yeah, yeah. We shall not revisit. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's not a that's that's below our, our podcast is it though. Yeah okay. Sure. All right. Yeah. In the moment. Yeah. Really the current, the current determination is best below us. Maybe not next week, but today.

36:41 Oh, maybe not in five minutes. Yeah, yeah. We'll see. We'll see how fluid the material is. Not today. We'll do like any, any comic would do is, you know, go back to sex and and poop, you know, jokes. Well, if you run out of material. Yeah. I mean.

36:59 Delbert Godfrey, he he was at a Friars Club roast, and he told a joke that everybody thought was too soon, about 911. So you started telling jokes? Well, he started telling that aristocrats joke about. Yeah. Yeah, I know that. Yeah, that's that's below our podcast. We can't we can't even explain that. I don't think like, but it's a joke the comedians tell each other.

37:28 And the whole point is to be as nasty and raunchy as possible. Sure. Why not? Yeah. Like the joke that I told you the other day. Yeah.

37:41 And then, you know, with all this, like, V Wade stuff happening. So the joke, like, you know what, what what is the fetus in the and the and the teenage mom both say what? Sir? Oh, fuck. My mom's gonna kill me. Pregnant teenager and her unborn fetus. What do they both say? Oh, God. My mom's gonna kill him.

38:02 So awesome. That's before the laws change, right? I guess we gotta wear that joke out until before the, Before. It's not just a leaked opinion. Now, I did find that interesting. The only two things that have been leaked from the Supreme Court as far as this one article I was reading said were is we're the advanced decision on row v Wade.

38:27 And this competing opinion, which will no doubt soon be law. Yeah, right. Okay. Sure. But those are the only two things that have leaked. Okay. That's, that says something at least about, I mean, they are of great societal importance, no doubt. And it affects a huge swath of the population. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to go out on women say that our government structure is, is is in 2022 a failure and needs something different, but not going to go to the root of Proud Boys or Oath Keepers and be seditious, you know?

39:04 Right. Crazy bastard. Where you just try to forcibly, you know, remove the elements of the government you don't like? Yeah. I just think intellectually that it really, you know, a fair case cannot be made for saying that we have a functional system in place right now. I would agree, and I think. All right, it's not it's not a sudden thing.

39:29 It is something that happens in a crease every time it's been before and wrong for a long time. Well, I mean, I think that it I believe 100% that the United States government has become a cliff. And so being a government that's for the wealthy and empowered by the wealthy and empowered. Okay. And I think the data shows clearly, it doesn't matter if there's Republican or Democrat in power, regardless of the party or the balance of power.

39:57 Right. We get more of the same. More of the same, more the same, which is the wealthy just continue to magnify their wealth, and we just keep putting a crunch on everybody else when we're living in the most productive, fruitful time of human known human history. Yeah, right. And so clearly, all the bullets aren't proportionately rising together. No.

40:16 And I don't care who's listening. Like, I debate me on that shit because the data is crystal. Yeah. And that's the thing. You you cannot say all boats are rising is one that trickle down economics or whatever modern version derivative thereof has worked. You know, the whole idea that was supposed to save us is globalization. Globalization really just created another chasm between the haves and have nots.

40:49 It was a slightly different one, and it still existed in combination with all of the other just massive divides. It just created yet another right. And I understand that there's like a point in not so distant future where widespread poverty was the global norm. Right. No doubt. Sure. Technology and mechanization should have, should have done and is dramatically changed that.

41:14 Sure. Right. But not across the board. But proportionately, it's not even close. Not even close. You know, the level of wealth gap couldn't even exist previously before the technological expansion. Yes. Well, I mean, that's a good point. There had never been $1 trillion company before Apple came along and made it. Yeah. And there hasn't been this much productivity, material creation, generation of material goods ever in all of human history.

41:47 There we go. Right. So so the so the wealth distribution of such an incredible, enormous proportional magnitude was even possible because it didn't exist. Yeah. The ability to to take the resources from the Earth. This is just one small, simple example. Yeah. You know what isn't even. You roll it back 200 years, isn't even on the radar. No, I mean, you know, advances in being able to see fossil fuels, advances in hydraulic fracturing.

42:18 Fracturing? Yeah. You know, all these technological things. Yeah. One example is like Napoleon. And if I get this wrong, it doesn't matter. It's what I heard, and. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's true. Sure. But Napoleon used to have his, preferred guest, you know, is, whatever I want to call it. Exalted. Anointed. VIP guests. When they would come, he would have them eat an aluminum plates.

42:46 Right. Not gold plates. Not porcelain plates. Not, you know, aluminum plates. Okay. Because aluminum was so rare. Oh, right. So, like, you know, it's a it's amazing to be able to eat on an aluminum plate. Got it. Because the ability to extract that particular, you know, metal in this case Adam from the earth right. Was was extremely difficult and made it extremely rare.

43:11 Got it. Well now with modern, you know, we just fucking throw away cans like nobody's doing. Yeah. Right. And so there's just a stupid little example of the wide. You know, incredible chasm between productivity and production from today's standards, from, you know, a few hundred years ago, few, 300 years ago. Right. It's not even on the same scale.

43:33 It's not, you know, it's so all of that incredible increase in wealth and productivity. Yeah. Right. It's been largely hoarded. Right. It's been. Right, right. Right. And not just it's not just magnified by its original existing proportions. It's grown disproportionately even more. Yeah. Right. It's I mean, literally.

44:03 For people in our position, it's just completely unfathomable and off the charts as far as it's like, to really quantify it and have it in our minds is an understandable thing. Right. It's just impossible. Right. Right. Like even the the visualization of a trillion versus one, you know, is outside the scale of most minds. Yeah. You know, you my morning, you you might as well say a zillion or or a septillion or whatever.

44:36 Right. True. Or some other insert made up word here. Right. Which just represents a certain number of more zeros. That's it. Which doesn't still give a proper scale understanding in the mind. Right. It's just add more zeros. Right. Yeah. Morning. You know, we can say, hey, it's this many more orders of magnitude, but which gives us some idea.

45:03 But still. Yeah, it still doesn't really cement it in the mind from a scale perspective. And so what people think the distribution of wealth is. I don't know if you knew about this one, but what people, when you survey them where they think the actual separation of wealth is, let's say just in America versus where it actually is, is way off.

45:26 So the the scale is like a buffer by which the disproportionality can be masked. See what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. And so if there's this form of like technological colonialism or AI colonialism, those that have the actual resource tools to take the social, the massive amounts of social data that's being accrued through spying on people through the cell phones.

45:50 Right. If all that inevitably is creating massive winners and losers, here we go with yet another amplification of this same process. Yep. And yet another separate and apart chasm, you know, that must be traversed for people to find parity or even a measure of success. Yeah. So how is that? How does that actually serve humanity? It doesn't. It's a it's in disservice.

46:19 Absolutely. So do we do we say inevitably, it's almost like the patent system, you know, like inevitably every patent expires. And so then the the general population gets the benefit of that patent when it expires someday. So it was like the whole scheme of like allowing mega ultra wealthy, you know, disproportionate craziness. Is that just the idea that all the advanced since that that enables such tremendous advancement, right, of some people that that pushes the boundary and inevitably right.

46:52 Yeah. Gets down to the common person. Yeah, sure. Maybe 50, 25, 5000 years. Yeah. I mean, right now say a written work is the author's author's life plus 100 years. Yeah. Right. Right, right. I mean, you can still read it, but. But that. That's the thing with reading. At least you can still read it. But whatever it comes to higher level things like, you know, the patent on a particular technology or a drug or drug, you know, the same doesn't apply.

47:24 You can't still derive value from it. Right. Yeah. But the idea is that maybe, like, go ahead and let this wealth extreme happen, because as the rich then, have the financial means to push these human boundaries, right? Those advancements inevitably will trickle down to the commoner. You see what I'm saying? I mean, I get it, and I have believed in it, for a long time.

47:52 Yeah. I mean, I think that that's just a way to snow somebody that's getting screwed. And that's what I'm saying. It it is some sav on your wounds as a as a commoner. Yeah, but it it doesn't really have the transformative effect that it could have. Yeah. Could you imagine, like, could you imagine the, the, the type of advancement and development of the, of the commoner if there was a more equitable distribution of not just wealth but of resource and technology.

48:30 Right, right, right, right. I mean, you know, because space wasn't privatized early on, we have a number of technologies that arose from it that we all benefit from. You know, I was wondering one time I was thinking. Even didn't know social on and talking about data and privacy and whatnot. And I was thinking that maybe, you know, the reason why the United States doesn't have even close to the kind of data privacy laws that European Union has are.

48:58 Right? Yeah. Like maybe, maybe the reason why, Oh, sorry. Maybe, maybe the reason why the United States doesn't have, the same strength. Right? Why? Why our data privacy laws are so much more lax. Maybe because is the actual future is going to be owned by, you know, whatever company companies, you know, take all the social data and translate that into, you know, really understanding humans, understanding sociology and psychology.

49:38 That's such a granular level. Right. That that could translate into the ultimate power. It really does. And so maybe the reason the data standards are so lax in the United States is, is that we're setting up our companies Google, Apple, whatever, Microsoft, Facebook, Facebook, al, the stuff with the holy grail of the future. You see. So you're saying maybe through a happy accident.

50:07 The, innovation on that front will be able to be fostered here. Yeah. And then if government and DARPA, whatever, is able to simultaneously take that information and use it in a weaponization scheme. Right. We can then beat out our rivals in these, like, misinformation wars or in the information wars. Right. And so so they're by keeping the privacy for the individual lax and basically, you know, data raping them 24 over seven by monitoring everything they're saying on their smartphone and, you know, talking about that fucking rabbit hole, you know, we're giving our companies aka then our government which has which has a partnership because it's a it's an industrial complex.

50:49 We're giving that our government the ultimate tools. You see what I'm saying for this future, for the for the warfare information warfare of the future. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So, like, you could you could make any kind of legitimate, not legitimate, but you can justify, if you will, a government protocol or a government policy in light of that.

51:12 Yeah. Just by saying, oh, secret classified government warfare. CIA. Right. Intelligence. Yeah. I mean. Right. Class of classified. And I don't like it. Well, you like it if you're you like it if you're legitimately fighting against somebody else who is stifled, right? Or someone who doesn't have even the same limitations that we might have, like, say, Russia doesn't have any calms with manipulating its people on an even higher level than we dare to.

51:51 Is that true? We don't know. But we've been told such by our own manipulative government. Right? Right. Who is masterminding propaganda? Right. Right. So. But the idea is always. You say your your enemy doesn't have the moral limitations or the qualms or, you know, these limits that that you have. So you have to be better. Doesn't matter what situation.

52:19 They're always saying your enemy is pure evil. So. Yeah. Right, right, right. You're enemy is just by fault. Evil. You're by default. Good. Anything you do then to undermine that enemy is then therefore good. Even though you're committing the worse evil. Yeah. And so, more than likely, they don't. All things being equal, we probably all have China, Russia, us, whatever other companies you want to throw in the pot, probably all have similar misinformation manipulation capabilities, dissemination capabilities and.

52:59 Perhaps you have to assume so. Right. Yeah. And so then you pit them against each other and you say, okay, in the modern times, every government is a quasi corporate right. Is a is a quasi industrial complex of some type every government. Right. Yeah. Communism goes the full length and just says there is no difference between. Right. Right.

53:20 Industry is government. Government is industry. Right. So we're the same. We're in the same boat. We just say it's not. We just say it's not that way. Right. Right. So no. Put a thin veneer on top of it. Yes. The industry doesn't. The insurance industry doesn't write insurance policy at the government level. No no, no. The drug industry doesn't write drug policy.

53:39 No, no. Right. Oh, but they do. But they do. So it's the same. It's just. But, you know, a horse by a different color. Yeah. Still a horse. Right. And so, you know, we in America believe that the government is standing as some kind of counterpoint from being ravaged by the interests of big business. Right. But then you look at the diabetes epidemic and you say, well, maybe not, you know, or so many other things just like it.

54:05 Right. Yeah. I mean you know, you can pick your, the financing system, the banking industry or complex or whatever you, whatever facet of life you'd like to pay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you know we then we then through our propaganda say, oh, look at this poor Chinese people being, you know, told what's right and wrong by their government being allowed to, you know, being openly censored by city government.

54:29 Right. And the government is openly censoring. So it's like, yeah, the people are being totally in the know that they're being censored. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, they'll be speaking about topics on whatever media platform that, you know, China allows them to have, and then postal be removed or topics will be filtered or. Right. So I remember like sitting in the cafe on this like really bizarre excursion, a really unique opportunity.

55:00 I had one time sitting in a coffee shop in Baghdad. Know talking with locals, couple translators, talking with some locals about geopolitics. You know, and they're making me look like they're making me. They're like mopping the floor with me intellectually when it comes to geopolitics. You know. Incredible. And, you know, I'm like, well, read and, you know, have studied this shit, you know, and I'm like, okay, I'll just like, I'm in learning mode, okay.

55:31 And so does it come kind of come down to, hey, you know, Americans are at a deficit to begin with because we're some of the least traveled. I don't know. Yeah. Least traveled. But this, this, you know, whatever you want to call it. Like wearing a cape of the of of the Stars and Stripes and, you know, eagle with the machine gun.

55:51 Yeah, yeah. Type attitude in our eyes, like Merica. Fuck, yeah. Yeah. Ideology like swimming in our brains since the day we're born. You know? So loot the troops. Why? You know, why was that John Cena show that was recently out? It it makes fun of all that. He actually has a pet eagle. There you go. There you go.

56:16 You know, like, colored with the stars and stripes. Right. Yeah. Do you ever see that meme as, like, the the bald eagle with a machine gun? Where? No, but, yeah, you get the idea. And it's playing America. Fuck, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. So, you know, we're we're like, get this, like, star spangled. You know, I don't even want to know what to call it.

56:39 You know, support the troops. Patriotism. Why why support the troops? You know, if if the troops are are doing something that's fucked up, right? Like when there was no weapons of mass destruction, should we really be supporting the troops? I want to. This is the way I want to support the troops. I want to support them as people.

56:59 I want to support their continued success when they come back and have parted ways with the military. I want to give them a platform to flourish after their military successes as well. Okay. But but yeah, I know that that's what you want to do, but is that appropriate? I'm saying supporting them, not necessarily supporting what they're doing abroad, but them here support the person, not the or the mission.

57:30 Yes. Like damn their orders. But respect them. Sure. Yeah. That's all good. But it comes to a certain point where you have to say what the United States has been into one conflict after another, after another, after another. And history is starting to, like, create a pattern, you know. Right. That we can probably start to say, make some conclusions about.

57:50 Right. Like, you know, World War Two seemed like still history kind of has that in the domain of like it was the noble War. Right. Right. Someone had to stop Hitler. Even the Russians are the ones that really stopped them. But, hey, you know, let's look. Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey. Oh, let's not go there.

58:07 Yeah. What happened in Russia is what? What? Really crippled? That's what. That's what. Like, first, that was the nail in the coffin for the Third Reich. Yeah. You know, when they got stopped in Russia because of weather and because of supply lines and, you know, Russian ingenuity and creativity and military, you know, prowess. Yeah. You know, I guess that's not not really popular thing to say right now, but, you know, but still, it's it it's not like it's not a historical fact.

58:40 Yeah. I mean, we suffered a lot of losses. And, you know, we definitely endured a lot, but our homeland wasn't invaded. I'm not saying Pearl Harbor. Come on, give me a break. Come on. Or the balloons that Japanese like let out to try to, you know, those, like, fire balloons, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you see what I'm saying?

58:57 Yeah. We did not. That's that's it. I mean, the war was not brought to our shores. Yeah. Over that way. Yeah. So. Exactly. And so, you know, we were able to, like, go overseas and stomp over there, and. Yeah, we had losses, no doubt about it. Sure. We were able to go stomp over there and then, you know, basically mop up.

59:18 Right. And then we took all their great scientists, you know, all these, like, Nazi scientists. We just said, hey, you need a job. You were working on a V-2 rocket. Come over here. You're not. You're not a war criminal that needs to be executed, you know, because because, you know, you know, some science. Yeah. You're too damn smart.

59:33 And so, like, we, you know, brought all the all the men under the fold. Yeah. You want. Somewhere else to rip veins out of people. And it's, you know, cardiovascular science. Yeah. Right. And then, you know, all under the premise of, you know, America is the great liberator. And far as American history goes, you know, America was like, you know, the great winner of the war.

59:53 Yeah. Whereas, you know, like I said, the reality is maybe something a little different. Yeah. And so like after that, you know, you look at Vietnam, Korea, all these other incursions, one after the other, Kosovo, Sarajevo, Panama. One, one. One after another, after another and another. And, you know, I've seen Iraq. No weapons of mass destruction. I mean, you know, the you know, the fucking routine, right?

1:00:14 Yeah. It makes you start to say, wait a minute. After this track record, should should the society be aware enough to where it starts saying no to sending our children, you know, overseas to war? Right. See what I'm saying? My kids aren't going if I have any say about it. Like, what's the what's the point? What's the reason?

1:00:32 What are we. What's our aim? Yeah. Are the senators and congressmen sending their kids? Oh, well, there we go. And grandkids, if they are, that might actually be the noble War. Right? Right. But if they're not, if they're just in general sending the poor, then it's like, you know, War pigs by Black Sabbath. Fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know, like, the lyrics will be linked for this podcast to work War pigs.

1:00:59 Yeah. Oh, we also have to do AC, DC Thunder. Yeah. Dirty deeds and the thunder. Yeah. So we have to do that. Yeah. So, like, the kind of conclusion of the conversation today is like, you know, AI and sentience is this really you know, it's a really hard thing to pin down if it's ever even possible to pin that down.

1:01:19 Yeah. And we'll see. Probably emerging all different types of definitions and qualifiers. You know, as we as we keep moving forward with this technology. I mean, if there's ever going to be a test, it has to be a test drive somehow outside of ourselves, because there are so many things we can't seem to pin down about how we work and how we operate, because we are, for lack of a better term, to close to it.

1:01:43 We are? Yeah. The stuff we are made of. So one last novel thought that I had. And now someone might have come up with this idea parallel, but this is an original thought of mine that came to me the day when we were talking about misinformation and social, which is we have neurons, trillions of them in our brain, and many of those neurons are involved.

1:02:02 Neurons are involved with thoughts and memory and recollection, all those kind of things. Right? Sensory input, processing information. Yeah. They're specialized for different jobs. Right? Yeah. Processing and storing information is part of what neurons do. Well, neurons in the human brain aren't just used for one thing. It's not like you have 5000 neurons dedicated to remembering. Your wife's remembering university here.

1:02:24 Yeah. It's like one neuron could be involved with who knows how many hundreds, if not thousands of memories or data connections. Sure. Right. So think about this in terrible toxicity, then of misinformation. When misinformation starts to go into the neurons and settle in. Right. That that shared information is now being shared with other neurons and is creating, if you will, pretty much a contaminating effect.

1:02:50 So okay, let me take it to the extreme. Imagine a person who their whole entire life is only exposed to misinformation. Okay. Never exposed to accurate information. Only misinformation. I know it's extreme, but imagine their neurons are all working like any other brain is supposed to work. It's creating the connections and it's creating the pathways. But all there is is incorrect.

1:03:12 Everything that they can recall is incorrect. Well, so. But then you start thinking about, I guess what would come to mind is say somebody was born into a cult. Yeah. Right. That's where I'm going. And then, you know, they still have the connections and the information to survive in that environment. Fair enough. But that. But but it's all contaminated, inappropriate and cross-linked information.

1:03:40 Once they were removed from that environment, it becomes increasingly more useless. Absolutely. And then it would have to be completely reconditioned for all new pathways that have to be formed. So misinformation becomes the ultimate contamination contaminant, if you will, of the mind and imagination, because it's putting in its plugging into a distributed network. Incorrectness. Yeah. Like false falsities of fabrications, lies, innuendos.

1:04:07 Right. And you get enough of that in there. And basically you have a shit mind. You have a mind. This is basically loaded with nothing with with with crap. I mean, you could argue maybe they still have critical thinking skills and but everything's calibrated within that paradigm, you know? Yeah. Within that paradigm maybe there, you know, insanely successful.

1:04:29 But like you said, you know it. The paradigm shift is where they get fucked. But if you never go outside that filter bubble. Are you fucked? Sure. If you're in the cult for your whole life. Yeah. Then your guess. Okay, but there's still a big picture of truth. Reality. Yeah. And, you know, and we're always struggling against that.

1:04:50 We're always trying to find. Get into that. They can't get into that. We're talking for a week on that topic right. Like you know what the big picture reality really is. Right. But no one really knows. Yeah. But when when, you know, I put my fact face up against other people. You know, a lot of times some people are even better than me.

1:05:10 But, sure, you know, a lot of times, like talking to a young or a lay person in a lot of disciplines. Right. Listening. Just listening. Not even talking. Just listening. Hearing the preponderance of misinformation that comes coming out of their mouth that has known to be misinformation that you can prove is is yeah, it is rather, rather scary.

1:05:34 And so our youth of today, undoubtedly, undoubtedly in our mind are really savvy. They're clever, they're really good online, you know, they're good with the technology and all that kind of stuff. But I will argue that the amount of, like, misinformation and misdirection that they're being exposed to is definitely an all time. And that can't be healthy for the long term, you know, of our country.

1:05:52 It really can't. And I guess maybe we can. All right. So there's algorithms that measure the distance. A word you put forth is to a word that's in the dictionary, like Livingston distance. Maybe we can make something like that for is. Yes. How far is your idea from a verified truth.

1:06:19 Yeah. Interesting. If you, you know, could actually measure that on an individual level. Yeah. And do it to empower the person. Not to not to, you know, undermine them or to make them feel like shit. Right? Yeah. Give them the tool. Right. Yeah. And so they get to start to get a picture of their own. You know, kind of information health that they have in their brain.

1:06:38 Shit. You know, clearly, if you had someone that's like Fox News person, right? Clearly. Clearly. And you were to run this test with them, they would come up probably, you know, not so hot. So yeah. And that's why we're taking this Snopes fact checking idea. And we're going through a scorecard per se. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be fantastic. But giving it to them as a tool that's discreet and private, that their own domain, right?

1:07:02 Yeah. So you're not like, publicly shaming them or humiliating them because that's just going to usually, you know, what happens there. You know, people just go and they they double down on their bullshit views. Right. Yeah. So, like, just give them the tool that they can analyze themselves in private and, you know, maybe grow from. But then you wouldn't.

1:07:20 But if you, if you, if people really had some kind of tool like that that was readily available and very easy to use and, you know, was legit and really helped them change, you might not get people saying things like, I hope you're not putting that shit in my grandkids. You might not. Yeah, you might not. Because then there's an ever present, more or less neutral counterpoint to everything.

1:07:41 Yeah. You know, and to me, that's a that's a perfect use of the synthesis capabilities of AI, the coalition of data, something like that. A tool that clearly needle pointed, you know, it's thrust is to help augment or correct humanity. Yeah. We need to build this thing. Right. Get rich and build the thing. Yeah. So, so so, like, kind of last thought.

1:08:08 Then I'll leave with is this this notion, you know, like, you're just saying this kind of like, you know, individual empowerment through technology, you know, would be freaking fantastic. But this last, like dialing in this last little idea about misinformation, right? Is that, misinformation being made widespread in mainstream. And combined with the environment where people walk away leads to nothing but isolationism.

1:08:36 Yeah. So in other words, like if you were and I were to see you and talk about topic after topic after topic, there's many things that will disagree on. Right. And the more we continue this I don't know if you've seen like they call it cancel culture and this kind of idea like where if someone says something that you don't like or disagree with, its walk away.

1:08:54 Yeah. Right. If you have people leaving the table as the norm, and you combine that with an ever increasing sea of misinformation, what you end up with is massive, large scale social isolation where everyone is just living in their own little vacuum. Echo chamber has been canceled. Everyone's living in their tiny little group. And that group, that group is poised to be mostly consisting of eyes.

1:09:18 Think about it. Imagine that if you're in like a group of 100 people that you believe is 100 people, and all the 99 people, they seem to be lined up with everything you believe perfectly. And they're like the perfect echo chamber for you. Right. And then you find out that it's nothing more than an algorithm. All of them are just bots.

1:09:34 Right. Creating your own little personal echo chamber of isolation. That almost made me throw up. Yeah, but, I mean. But from what I understand, this is this is the kind of general direction of where everything's going. I mean, I get what you're saying because. All right. Could you imagine? It's an extension of we were talking about earlier how when you control ideas, it's easier to control people.

1:09:54 And maybe the first big stab at that was religion. Maybe. And so this is a next evolution of that. But this is on steroids now right. Because this is like granular, you know, personalized individual control. Yeah. So like you can imagine like a bot army creating your own echo chamber, even creating your own religion, creating a religion tailored 100% specifically.

1:10:16 So, so. And then and then doing the same thing religion does. So okay, I guess that we're not leaving on this because I have to make this one last point, right? The best thing that you could do to get somebody more, more entrenched in their religion, okay, is to have them proselytize. Yeah. Think about this. So, like, okay, you and I are in some kind of church, right?

1:10:35 Yeah. And I'm the on the leader. I'll be the leader for this, for this, for this example. Okay. And I said, Sean, what I need you to do is go out and spread the good word. Yeah. Okay. I want you to just go. Just start knocking on doors. Okay. Now, I'm going to be honest with you. You're going to face a lot of people are going to slam the door in your face because they don't want to hear the truth.

1:10:52 They don't want to know that they're living in sin. Right? They don't want to hear. They don't want to continue to live in sin. They don't want to come to the light. Right. Yeah. And so you're going to get a lot of door slammed in your face. But but to show your faith. To strengthen your faith. Okay. I want you to go and try to win hearts and minds.

1:11:07 Try to change souls. Try to try to win souls. Okay. Right. And you go out there. Be a fisher of men. You go out, then, like, inspired. Right. You get on your bike wearing your white shirt with tie, whatever the hell it is. Right. And you start knocking on doors, and sure enough, you're getting the fuck. Fuck you.

1:11:22 Door slamming in your face. Right? Guys pretending to be deaf. You know, and then you walk away and, like. See ya later, motherfucker. Yeah, I saw a meme related that. That was awesome. But what happens is that you get so disenfranchized. I once invited the I once invited them in for anal sex and T. Yeah they did. They left quickly and never came back.

1:11:42 Did they? Did they have to eat when they left? No, there was no anal sex or t they just left. Hey, baby. How about pizza and sex? Smack. Crossfade. Wait. All like pizza? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, you go and you knock on all these doors, you get all these door slam in your face, and after, like, say, a day or two or a week of doing this, right, you come back to, you report back to your church and you say to the pastor, deacon, whatever you insert, you know, name for one here.

1:12:11 You say, everywhere I went I got, you know, rejected door slammed in my face. People were cussing at me, spitting at me. Whatever. Right. Get off my property. They're going to call the police. They got threatened with barking dog. I got threatened with a firearm, etc. and so forth. Right. And now when you come back into the church, everyone, everyone is saying, you know, oh, well, they're repeating the message.

1:12:29 They're heathens. They don't want to hear it. Right. Yeah. And they're welcoming you back. Now you're in a place where you're loved and respected, and you're the emotion and the emotional state is totally different. You're galvanized. You're you're hardened. Right? You're fully rejected by society but now ended here. Right? Right. But inside the church. But, God, you're a hero for doing what you just did, right?

1:12:48 And you're celebrating your loved. And you're hugged and you're kissed and you're you're you're patted on the back and your hand is shook and you know, you're elevated. You are given a higher station. You are given power and appreciation. And so what just happened was you. They've they've they've intensified the hooks into your heart and soul. Heart, heart and mind.

1:13:10 Right through, through this, through this calculated process. And they've addicted you. You become addicted to the appreciation, the, the, the lottery happenings that you enter, you know. So then imagine an AI doing the same thing through consumerism. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I think for the money interests being the primary control of all this information. Right. Is this exactly what we see?

1:13:36 We see the same type of echo chamber phenomenon. And then inevitably, what that what that church does is the in-group and outgroups. You write in the church, you're in the in-group, everywhere else you're outgroup. Right. And that's exactly what AI can inevitably do with this money interests behind it, inevitably, if it's working against people, is like, don't listen to everybody else.

1:13:55 You see what I'm saying? Just create branded tribes. Yeah. And they could be mostly all fake now. Yeah. Right. They don't need. So astroturfing. When it first started was originally people giving fake reviews. Now we've got a guy that can synthesize them credibly. Right, right. Yeah. The past, the Turing test of, you know, testimonials. Yeah. Right. Right. That's that's the true test right there.

1:14:25 Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so what I'm saying is that there's this possible kind of dystopian future to where everyone emotionally can't tolerate the views of others and begin to believe that everyone else's views are, are enough to walk away from. You see what I'm saying? Whereas, like the actual human scale, the actual like, you know, statesmanship, if you want to call it that skill, is to be able to disagree on many, many things and still have a, a friendship or relationship, a quality of existence together, even if, even if somebody is like maybe even way off on something.

1:15:04 Right. And, I still find a way to commune with them. Yes. You have community. You have shared aims. You work together. So, like, face to face, personal. You know, like we're doing with this? Yeah. It has that unique threat. Yeah. You know that that is completely different from my online world. Right. Right. Right. And, you know, I've increasingly started to prune my, my, the people in my social network to like people that I know really exist.

1:15:34 And that's a weird thing to do. Like, because, you know, you see a profile and you're like, wait a minute. I don't really know that person gone. You know, unfriend on on, you know, unconnected. I'm not saying that be an easy tool to make, but maybe we need that tool to it's. Could you imagine, like a, a certain a certain designation on your social profile when you see the person in face to face, real life contact, you can put a token on there, a tag to where, then you can just look at those people when, when, when you need to have some sobriety, if you will.

1:16:08 Right. Right. Because like, these are verified humans. Yeah. Because for all intents and purposes, going into the future, it's going to be a blurry line. Just like with the sentience, just like with the sentience idea. I got a crazy idea. So, like. All right, people sell online accounts for various services and personas they've created on these services. Wonder if at some point, at least the facsimile portion of AI is going to be good enough, where you could just say, hey, take this personality I'm selling, this personality I created.

1:16:39 We're going to imbue AI with it. And you know, all right. That was a successful personality you created. And now we've replicated in AI. You've got some money. Oh, yeah. Like like a farming out. Personas. Yeah yeah yeah. That's like. Yeah, yeah. That's probably a brave new industry that's about to emerge. Right. But but I can just imagine the amount of data that like Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple and all that are starting to have, you know, to be able to like, spin up this kind of stuff that is even things that are outside of our imagination.

1:17:11 And then even using those tools, even using super vast AI tools to create the next generation tools. Right? Yeah. That are even beyond our imagination. Right. So it's a we're a brave new world and it's a fun to talk about. Yeah. And, fill the like, potential hope. But boy, I can see a lot of bear traps, too.

1:17:29 Yeah. So, as always, I mean, be vigilant. Sounds good. I'll cut it off there. All right. So cool. Oh, that was interesting. That was a pretty damn good one.