0:00 That is not. It's a full battery. Thanks for the battery, by the way. Yeah, dude. Anytime. Yeah. So last night in the meeting, I was like, arguing science with really nonscientific people. And, you know, that's that's the first mistake, right? It's like the first mistake, but but when you committed to a two hour, you know, discussion, you know, you kind of committed to the two hour discussion and really not in scientific people.

0:27 That's most of us. And depending on the topic, I might get nonscientific on your ass real quick. Who knows? Yeah, maybe. But, there's a certain appeal, though, to, like, once you've gotten to a certain point in scientific understanding and logic and being able to rationalize things, there's a certain there's a certain like way of explaining something that will appeal to those sentiments of yours.

0:49 You're right. Right. I'm telling you, that's an animal, right? It's like something in there. And, you know, with that appeal, at least some, some progress can be made in a conversation. Yeah. But if you have someone that just straight out believes in ghosts, for example, and they're telling you that like, no, I saw a ghost and I'm sure of it, right.

1:10 So therefore I'm sure ghosts are real. You start to approach that from a scientific or logical standpoint, and they're just got their arms crossing or closed off to you wanting to be absolutely obstinate, not listening to anything you have to say either. Yeah. As far as they're concerned, they have seen a ghost. And so therefore ghost are real.

1:29 Right. Right. And, so like, I've seen what I thought was a ghost, but I don't necessarily think they are 100% real. And it was when I was a kid, and one of my brothers saw it, too, but it was just such a weird experience. I'm definitely not sure it was real. Yeah. So, so so these experiences get get intermission to our, you know, psyche and, they're, as far as we're concerned, confirmed as real.

1:58 Right, right. To the person experiencing it. And then if you're going about the business of actually trying to talk somebody out of it or giving them alternate explanations, it's a it's an attack on their fundamental belief structure. Hey, buddy. Oh, sweet dog are. Hey, buddy. You, sweetheart. Oh, that was actually a nice time. So he was like, I just want to play.

2:21 I know he so does, too. And, so, you know, it becomes a threat to a house of cards, if you will, that they've built many, many ideas upon it in the advertisement for getting employed over there 15 bucks an hour. All right. That's not bad. Okay. I just didn't expect ace number three hamburgers to offer you. 15 bucks an hour.

2:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Come on. Their $24 hamburgers? Yeah. We saw one an hour of paper and employee. Yeah, I can't repeat it enough if it's a bistro, a gastropub or an eatery. It's like the same shit, but. But XX3. The cost. Right. And I'll say these are quite that bad. They're $9. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. They're still up there.

3:10 So it's like a branding thing. It's like really just a Happy Meal in disguise. Oh, shit. That thing is one of the best burgers I've ever put in my face. Happy meal. No. Oh, that burger back there. Number three. Oh, okay. Today's positively pedestrian. Brought to you by Ace Burger. Number three. Yes, it's number three burger at in North Carolina.

3:31 They even have a shake. Happy hour from 3 to 5 on Monday through Friday. What is that, like a shamrock shake with a shot of Baileys or something? Well, they do have, they do have liquor in the milkshakes if you want it. All right. But it's stuff like peanut butter whiskey. Jeez. Yeah. You must. You might as well, like, you know, have some crack while you're at it.

3:56 Right. Like, your health is getting decimated. Like, might as well just go all out, right? So they do have the equivalent of a rock shake. That's the seasonal shake right now. You got fraternity guys, like, shotgun up their asses and. Damn. Anyway, we're getting off topic. Pooping is the term, gentlemen. It's called pooping. Yeah. All right. Putting it up your ass.

4:17 I thought was like a classic term just for. But sex. Oh, well, I always thought, but I don't know, I, I don't know. Well, I could be off of my slang. Yeah. Pooping was, you know, putting things, like you said, drugs or alcohol in your ass. Yeah. I'm not hip on the latest millennial, you know, trends. Me. I mean, I am far and away fraternal from it, but we all agree there's some sort of term for shoving alcohol or drugs in your asshole and letting them sit.

4:50 Does it get on your breath like the. It must, right? Because like, you aspirate some of the like you you exhale. Right. Some of right. Some of the alcohol. So like it must get on your breath. I guess it's the question of the South Park post. Oh, you know, you can't make it go backwards. Yeah. Can you make it go backwards?

5:08 I've been sick a few times, and I know the answer is yes. I mean, like, intentionally very sick a few times. I know the answer is can go any way at once. Yeah. When you're sick. It's just going. You watch. Every way is the fastest way out. That's how it's going to go. Your body wants to expel it.

5:24 So that shit on the floor last night. So that's another reason I was late. I had to clean up like a me size pile of cat shit. Oh, my God, what the hell? Like, like it's like an eight of condo or something.

5:39 I don't know what the hell. I think I did well, but it was a, you know, disproportionate the size of the animal versus the size of the. Yeah, it's funny when that happens. Like. Wow. Yeah. Got your car plugged in. Dang. There was a movie. Problem solved. Do you remember watching that back in the day? Macaulay Culkin, I don't know.

6:02 Is that that? Was he the actor? It was a that was. That was like the good side or something. Yeah. That's it. The good with him. But the problem child. No, I don't remember. This little, like, little brown headed kid and think John Ritter might have been the guy versus him, but anyway. Versus him. I like that. That was like a kind of like a dentist in the idea.

6:28 It was. But it was, like, way more evil. Oh, okay. And, Gotcha. Well, one of the things that I ended up in this movie that I just thought was hilarious and almost got a tattoo of, was a he had this dog to get it. That would just shit these piles of shit when nobody was looking that were taller than it was.

6:51 Really. Oh, shit. Taller than it was. Yeah. And it was like a pretty tall to type thing. Okay, so this is like, fun make believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but just ridiculous shit. It would just have this retarded smile on his face when it would let it out. We have an underpinning of comedy in our podcast because, you know, we resort to jokes.

7:15 You know, like what? Often. Yeah, yeah. Pretty much. There's like a, there's like an air of amateur comedy night in our, in our podcast. But so that's what I thought of. We were talking about the U sized file of shit. Yeah. Right. Like this dog sitting next to a pile of shit taller than it was. Like, you know, when you when you just think about ratios and proportionality.

7:36 Like, there's no way that was comfortable coming out. No, that had to be painful as hell. But but when it finally did, it must have been the biggest relief.

7:48 It's like like a tall, skinny cat too. So that makes it even weirder. Oh, man. So that had to be the full contents of its intestine. It was like a big ass Morris, like overdosing on Fancy Feast. And then you can see. Wait, is that two different brands? And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. My brands are all fucked up in my brain.

8:06 It's okay, because we're sponsoring. We're. We're sponsored by them all. Yeah, yeah. By by them all. And hamburgers today. Yeah. So, Yeah, back to this idea of, like, trying to talk somebody out of something, right? That's that's the right term. Try to try to break it down to to, like, look at alternatives to this long held standing belief that this person has.

8:28 Yeah. You just want to say, hey, is it possible this other thing is true? Yeah. Like let's look at alternative explanations and analyze those. And let's talk about in general if it makes sense. Yeah. Let's see in general if it makes sense that ghosts are real. Right. So like if a certain percentage of people died in a certain way and like, you know, the Earth's being populated with goes across all of the different people throughout all the years that have died in the past.

8:52 Yeah. We would have this overpopulation of ghosts. Like we'd be getting crowded out by ghosts, right? Right. And, there would be more and more data quantified. Quantified if all that was needed was someone to die by violence. Yeah. Or whatever the rule is. Right. Yeah, yeah. Make up your rule. Yeah. Yeah. And, just over time, you'd have more and more ghosts, right?

9:13 Yeah. And so, therefore, in modern times, with more, you know, recording devices and technology to capture, you know, in Syria, you'd have, you know, more, more and more of evidence. Right. The testimonial that goes to real would be piling up, not the other way around. Yeah. Right. So then let's look at possible alternate explanations. Right. Many people, when they just woke from a in a dream state, their brains still in, like, you know, an alpha pattern or whatever, whatever the brainwave pattern is.

9:45 And sure, you know, these meshes can happen between reality and dream world while like semi-conscious and all these known, you know, and also maybe having a predisposition toward it too. Yeah. Like you're just listening to a bunch of ghost stories, or your family believes in ghosts or whatever it might be. Right on and on. All types of alternative explanations.

10:06 And so a reasonable person, right, would say, you know, in my opinion, a reasonable person would say, yeah, it is possible that it was a, you know, not a real experience. Right? But so many people take a personal offense to you saying something they perceived or, you know, that that that somehow had to do with their own personal faculties.

10:28 Exactly right. That's exactly what happened. Exactly what happened over and over, like in every single thing that I was approaching, it was over and over, and. But I can't be wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And then it, like, started turning on to personal attacks against me. And that's where I'm like, wait a minute, you know. Whoa. Lay hold up. Hold up here.

10:46 Right. Like, I'm not trying to say there's no Santa Claus. And your and your and your six, you know, six year old. Okay, that's not what's happening here. Or is it? Yeah. You know, and maybe it is. So I think what happens is like, you know, people internalize these beliefs so much so that they're just like misinformation that we were talking about the other day.

11:08 How it integrates into the mind. But it also it's more insidious than that because for some people, some of these things are offering comfort. And that's the that's part of it, okay. Part of its ego. Part of its comfort. Part of it is, you know, hey, you know. Yeah. So we live in a world where there's so many, like, unknowns and scary things and there's climate change and there's big worldly issues where we have no control.

11:35 Yeah. And so, like, there's surely is a degree of like, you're saying this comfort because it gives you some sense of control or an explanation for some things that are outside of your control. Grounding them. Yes. Bringing them to something that you can understand and identify with and maybe even interface with it. Okay. And which then is kind of serve to intensify that belief even more.

11:58 Right. Yeah. And then once that belief gets intensified in insurance, it's now part of your, you know, like, I guess, wheelhouse of what's what's true. Oh, there we go. Yeah. You know, because we all kind of carry around that shit. I mean, you know, we we kind of have it at the ready to talk about to and.

12:18 Yeah. So because part of your identity. Yeah. So for me, a litmus test of like where I stand, relatively speaking, in terms of accuracy of information that's in my brain and my belief structure. Yeah. It's through the lens of science and the scientific method. Right? Yeah. Not through the not through the, you know, oracles to shook the bones and threw them down and made it determination.

12:44 Right. That's not how I gauge my sense of reality and how accurate I am. Right. I'm going to visit your psychic every week to see what the trajectory of your life should be. Yeah. I think it stands to reason that you'd be much more better off, much more likely to have correct information in your mind. In general, if you gravitate towards scientific based information, you would rational based, scientific evidence based information.

13:09 Then you would, you know, oracle information or psychic information. And I'm in my personal view, I'm not saying remove the all of the human equation here. We do need some some of that. All right. The universe is outside of ourselves is bad. There's the there's no doubt there. Right. And so it's kind of helpful for us to sometimes either believe or invest in those gray areas or something greater than ourselves.

13:41 You know, to me, saying that out there is more than me and something greater than me and something I may not ever be able to fathom, just like that grounds me and helps me. It's almost like, God light. Okay. So yes, I feel that. And so what I do, the way I describe that same exact thing you just described, is I put that into the, into the domain of, I don't know.

14:09 Yeah. Right. And so the I don't know is what keeps the mind open. It is, it is, it is. So someone says, how did the universe come into exist? Right. And so if I say, I don't know, here's some ideas I've heard. Here's something, here's some things that we can talk about as far as possibilities, like things that have been, you know, there's there's maybe some evidence for or some data suggesting.

14:32 Yeah. Right. Like the whole background radiation thing. Remember that? Like microwave radiation. So there's some data that suggests, you know, this, this big event at one point, right. But that's still, to me, not even close enough to where I can start saying, I then believe this, right. It's still overall in the category of I don't know. Now, see, I have an advantage now because, I haven't made a mental commitment in a, in a belief structure to a certain story of how things came to be.

15:05 Yeah. Right. And so I'm not locking my mind into some kind of paradigm, but if someone says, oh, it was God, you're you're dumb ass. If you don't understand that, that's close minded. Am I wrong? It is it. It's saying it's creating a breeding a me versus what everyone else believes sort of thing. It's saying I'm the king of the hill, that intellectually, I've come across the right and one true thing.

15:33 And, you know, a lot of times whenever I've talked to Christians about science or other people who are deeply invested in other religions, they'll say, that's what scientists do. They say, I am the intellectual. There's this one true right thing, I said, and I'm like, well, here's the one thing you're missing. Well, evidence. Exactly. I talk the same about the Big Bang.

16:01 As I say, you know, these are unverifiable wild claims and exaggerations and exertions about what the nature of. It's a modern. It's a scientific, wild ass. Guess that's kind of grown into almost a fable. Yeah. It's like dark matter. There's a there's gravity. Silhouette can be measured, but we don't know what where that gravity surplus is coming from.

16:25 So we put it in this term dark matter as a placeholder for, like, still an unknown. Yeah, but the problem is, is that too many people that are, like, pseudo intellectuals then have a faith based system that dark matter is the real thing and exist, right? So, like, there's plenty of areas of science where it becomes a faith based system as well.

16:42 There are what I'm saying is to be really agile and keep an open mind fully like have an action in mind. Science is about understanding the unknowable and pushing those frontiers. Absolutely, absolutely. And the best tool that we have to do so. But just because something comes from a scientific community shouldn't automatically then be accepted on a faith based model.

17:04 That is then something that's true until it's been verified and passed through the process. And in my personal opinion, we shouldn't assume faith in every facet of our lives. Hey, sometimes it's appropriate. Having faith in your child or your spouse or, you know, things like that. Hold on. Let's let's not blur faith with expectation. Well, I guess because let's.

17:26 That's true. Let's define guess. The two are often conflated, right? Let's define faith as believing in something without evidence. True. And whereas expectation is backed by evidence and trust and experience. Right. And and pushed a little bit in the direction that you want. That you want the outcome to be. Right. So like you know, you trust your spouse, but then you go the extra mile and you say, I'm really sticking my neck out and fully trusting him.

17:52 Yeah. Because because that then, hey, you know, this is the first time they've ever been on a two week work junket. You know, I expect or trust they will be just fine and not go out to the strip club and get a bunch of horrors in the hotel or. Yeah. And that expectation actually has a it has a driving factor in reality.

18:14 Like that's well that's a well understood psychological principle right. So like one's expectation of you we've talked about this before. One's expectation of you is a shaping sculpting force to your actions. Oh, yeah. Right. So, like, we should have high expectations of people across the board, right. Because that's going to produce better outcomes. We know this this is a real phenomenon in human psychology.

18:35 Yeah. And we've all experienced it to one degree or another. Yeah. And then for our own happiness and health, mental health and happiness. Right. By having the positive expectation, we're setting a more positive tone within our own minds as well. So like it's a win win scenario when you have more positive expectations of people and things. Right. Yeah.

18:54 So sometimes it's hard to keep that safe, but, unintended, you know, but but but it's still a recognizable. And, you know, documenting and measured phenomenon. Right. How expectations sculpts behavior. And it really just kind of makes sense. I mean, in my personal experience, the main thing that comes to mind is whenever my work ethic got markedly better permanently working at Lowe's.

19:20 Home Improvement Place because my manager, this guy Bill Pesta, he was he was awesome. And he just decided that he was going to, you know, he trusted me for some reason, and he trusted me with whatever we had to do. And. Yeah, you know. Yeah, just was like, this guy can get it done. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, made you get it done more.

19:42 Yeah. Made me get it done more and actually step up to the plate. And for the, you know, really first time I've worked a bunch of crap jobs to actually do the best I could possibly do. Yeah. You know, the, classic one where the, the, they took a bunch of kids that were low performing and told the teachers that they told the teachers that were, you know, part of they were part of the talented and gifted program, really.

20:07 And turns out that, the teachers attitude and expectation towards those students completely changed, which then in turn changed their performance. Yeah. And so it's like a double blind, you know, type thing. Yeah. So, you know, if, let's say I pre introduce you to somebody, so I'm talking about you and I introduce you as like this guy is the, I would say like experiential authority on it security.

20:35 Right. No, no. Come on. Let's just say right. Yeah. Right. And then this person's expectations of you when they first meet you is that you're you're a guru, right? Right. Right. So you come into the scene, I introduce you. Not even now that I actually introduce you. Not pretty. Introduce you. I actually now introduce you in, like, give you a real job title, give who you are and all this kind of stuff.

20:58 Right? Yep. The expectation in the mind is already that that you are, you know, far more advanced than your title suggests. Right. Got it. So? So now what happens is this person is almost looking at you and or puts you up on a pedestal. Right. As being like a foremost authority on on on, yada yada. Right. And now what happens is morning.

21:25 Now what happens is, there's you get into a feedback loop. Yeah. Right. You're being held up, regarded on this pedestal as the guru by this person emotionally, right, with the tone of their voice, the way they ask questions. What type of questions they ask. And then now you're reverberating that back because you're being appreciated as like this higher this guru okay.

21:47 Yeah. You see you're you're at your best. Yes. And so then you step into those shoes that have been put before you and almost invariably perform better than you would have with the initial if I pre-interview you as like, oh, he's in the career field. He's in that field, right? Yeah. So these kids that were like tagged as talented and gifted savants, you know, very advanced.

22:11 Right, right. The teachers then have this constant expectation. That's not a wrong answer. It's a creative answer. Right. And the lens by which they're viewing this child overall is completely changed. Yeah. Right. And so that's where expectation fits in. Now we get into the faith idea. And faith is where we have all the toxicity. I mean this is a bit of a stretch.

22:30 But faith becomes the the grand source of toxicity in human interaction. Right. So the grand source think about this faith. Believing in things without evidence becomes the bane of humanity, if you will. Okay. Like the Achilles heel of humanity. I mean, I see that it chips away and erodes our position, no doubt. I have faith that my God is so supreme that I'm going to fly the plane into these buildings.

23:02 Right. Right. My God. You know I'm going to Paradise. I have faith that that Paradise awaits me. And by punishing the rewards, whatever they may be. That's right. The eternal rewards of. You know what? I'm. What I'm getting myself into. That's an extreme version. But take it on the minor version. Okay. Homeopathic. Someone's suffering from, like, pancreatic cancer or something.

23:24 Right. Steve jobs. Exactly. Thinking that goes down this homeopathic road. Okay. Of misinformation. A false beliefs of faith. Has faith. In this science that has no evidence supporting it. But beyond the pseudoscience, at best. Yeah. Beyond the placebo effect. Right. Right. And dies as a result. Right. Okay. So they had to suffer. They suffered needlessly. And then everyone that loved them did as well.

23:51 Right. And because, you know, it has knock on effects to that. Affected so many people's lives and enrich so many people's lives. I mean. Yeah. Right. So then and millions, I'm sure people adored, you know, him and were like, probably physically, emotionally stung when he died. Right. And then not to. I'm not one of those, but me either.

24:14 I don't give a damn about him. I'd set him on fire. But, Cremation.

24:23 I'm talking about before he's dead. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like, language twists the reality of everything. Right. I'm talking about taking one of those Tesla branded flier flamethrowers. Yeah, I was trying to. I was trying to save you, but then you just don't. You just push me away and to continue to jump off the cliff that's on you. You're right.

24:39 And I'm just going to say, if everyone hasn't realized that's my M.O.. That's my M.O..

24:47 That's what I do. So. So if you take this position overall, like, consider like do the thought experiment. Okay. That faith based positions. Yeah. Okay. Or what's causing all of the anguish in humanity? Like, there's there's a root to this that comes in over and over and over. For example, someone that thinks that money is important, right? People are important.

25:13 Money's important. Okay. Profit over people. Kind of. Personally? Yes. Profit or politics over people. Let's say. Okay. Or both. And they have this like so they have this faith in this idea. Right. But all human psychology and you know anthropological, biological evolutionary theory, all these kind of things that right tie into study of sociology, all these things that tie into the mind of man will showcase over and over and over that someone that's in that intellectual position is suffering.

25:47 Okay. Wild evidence all over the place that someone that that grooms their mind to think that way has faith in the almighty dollar. Okay. Right. Is going to probably die with a lot of money with no friends. And right now you know, with wrinkles and all that. Sure. But yeah. In general. Right. And so any, any single type of faith based system that people get hooked into becomes a, you know, a route to suffering for themselves and others.

26:19 And I think the reason it's a root suffering is it's exclusionary. Our faith based system usually says, all right, I am going to put this above all else, like you said. Yeah. And all other things will fall away. Or maybe they do fall away because faith almost requires obsession and single mindedness. Yeah. Belief without evidence. Yeah. And so belief without evidence is is is a terrible thing.

26:49 Because like I said before, belief leads to actions. Belief leads to thoughts and patterns of way of thinking and and conclusions. And then those conclusions lead to actions. Yeah. Whether they be psychological or physical. And so bad beliefs or beliefs that aren't grounded in, in any form of reality lead to unreal circumstances. Right. Morning. And so those unreal circumstances are where people suffer tremendously.

27:16 Right. Like, Oh, we're just living in a simulation, so I don't have to take care of myself. Right. Right. Right. Okay, well, apparently the simulation is then designed to kill you if you don't take care of you. Yeah, exactly. Even if it's a simulation, if it's a simulation, it's simulating something. So it has rules, and it's a system so that you're now not following because of your belief.

27:38 Faith in the idea of the simulation. Yeah. Which doesn't make sense because you believe it's a simulation. So to me, I would try to game the system even more if I believed wholeheartedly it was a simulation. Right. I would be like, well, where's the cracks? Where's the where's the game here. Where's the system that I can. Yeah. How do I force all the simulation?

28:00 Yeah. How do I break it. Yeah. And then when you do that, you know, you then start to undermine the faith system in the simulation, which is puts you in a better spot anyway. It does. And you're also oriented towards success and beating the other. That's always a good. You know, that's for me that's like morning. Yeah. I've seen that be a driver in a lot of people.

28:24 I need to beat this thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So. So let's take this approach. So someone had made the claim that, you know, this is actually kind of funny, right? If there wasn't truth behind these things, why would so many people believe in them? Well, that one doesn't even need time to fix like that. That doesn't even need.

28:42 You know, there was a time when everybody thought the earth was flat. There was a time when everybody, you know. Yeah. I mean, the there's no wisdom in the majority. And I mean, we're shown that and we're and it's explained to us by means. Yeah. I mean just because it's popular. And, and truth measured in mass appeal isn't truth.

29:03 It's just common sentiment. There's no you don't have to make any claim to whether it's to its validity beyond. It's just what the masses. And I know that sometimes hard for people to hear in this. I hate to use that overloaded term, but post-truth world, as they call it, where we just ignore facts, the happening is happening. And, you know, people have somehow come to the conclusion that just ignoring facts is valid.

29:30 It's not it's not a valid way to conduct yourself. No, in fact, it's it's exactly what I'm saying. Ignoring facts is then taking your faith and your beliefs that are contrary to those facts and trying to apply it, and then not understanding why you're getting bad results, right? Harming yourself, harming others you know, and not achieving your goals.

29:51 So here's another example in a court of law, right? They don't bring in an army of psychics to, give testimony to the jury about whether or not this person had done this crime. Right. So, like, court cases aren't done by. They don't bring in, you know, 12 psychics that all sit there and meditate or do whatever they do to determine whether this person is guilty or not.

30:17 Right. They go with what they go with. Facts and evidence. Yeah. Admissible evidence varies depending on the jurisdiction. But for the most part, admissible evidence is scientifically verified and can be traced back to the wall. It can be plugged in, so to speak. So so you think there's a court in the United States that would allow psychic evidence?

30:42 I don't think there's a court that left psychic evidence, but I have heard that there are some courts of law that allow some questionable things. Well, that's true just by default. Yes. But what I'm talking about specifically is the idea of a psychic coming in. Oh, testimony. As to the guilt. I'm just qualifying what you're saying with, hey, you know, our courts of law aren't necessarily the ultimate bastions of truth, but they for the most part.

31:08 Yes. It has to be scientifically verified as an expertise that someone has. Just like science isn't by default a bastion of truth. It's just a process. So it's going to have flaws and but it happens to be the best tool that we have for the job. Yeah. Right. So the the best tool that we have to get down to whether or not something is truth in a, in a court setting.

31:31 Right, is the judicial process. That's the best we have where we where we way evidence. Right. We look at you know, and there's a series of rules and guidelines around it. That process happens to be the best we have at determining the person's guilt. And, you know, it's incumbent upon us to continue to refine said process, to not look at it as something that should never be changed.

31:51 It's I mean, right. And so the court of law, the, the scientific method all start and every, every single person, in my opinion, should start from the default position. Guilty until proven innocent or doesn't exist until shown to exist. Right. So in evidence, there's such a thing that psychic powers are in existence. Nobody should by default believe it.

32:15 But I feel like if if we take that tact, we might have missed out on a lot of things that are, at least at the time, largely counterintuitive to people. Yeah. We didn't. Right. You're right. We would have missed out things like the witch trials, like the Spanish Inquisition. Yeah. I mean, like the occult that the Nazis believed in, which drove much of their behavior.

32:38 All of those things are terrible and have been used to I, you know, hurt massive swaths of people and have done great damage to our society and individuals. Great. I agree. Right. So like the use of the force, for example. Right, is great within the context that the force is just to make believe. Right. But I'm saying we still stretch the imagination.

33:00 Yes. We can't cut that out. We can't cut the stretching the imagination out. We can't cut the. I'm not saying cut it out. I'm saying let's stop at. But let's stop when we get to the point where people say the force is real. Let's stop there. Let's let's keep that in the domain of entertainment, which is stretching the imagination and the sci fi.

33:20 You know what might be possible in the future way. But if, if, say, now, during the foundations of medicine, whenever we were trying to lay those out, if someone hadn't have been creative, probably believed in some things that, you know, the pioneers of medicine probably believed in a lot of things that weren't true. Right. What would they do?

33:42 But they still advanced the art. And because people might have an outlandish belief of some type that that leads them to a scientific understanding. Right. And that's what I'm saying. We might not know. There's a possibility for that. Like the guy that came up with handwashing. Yeah. Right. Like, for whatever reason, came up with evidence, though. That's the key.

34:05 Came with evidence that handwashing was causing the patients to get less infections. Right, right. And and didn't know why he was left out of the out of the medical complex, you know, shunned and everything else. Right. And, you know, it was and it was I think the scenario was it was a hospital where they delivered a lot of babies.

34:25 Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's that's what I remember as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so let's say that this person came to this initial concept of washing hands. Let's say they came to it out of a faith based system. Let's just say. Sure. Right. They arrived at this summer. Well, let's say let's say they prayed and they had a vision while praying.

34:46 Yeah. That, washing the hands was the right was the right answer. Let's just say. Yeah. Okay. And then he's like, you know what? Let me give that a shot. Okay. That would be no different than than trying out anything for any reason. Right. But because now as soon as it starts to show some effectiveness now it goes into the domain of data driven.

35:10 You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Very, very rapidly. When the success is uncovered for some, some method shows success. If we're doing it correctly, we're instantly abandoning because God did it. And we move into an of why does it work scientifically? But I guess what I'm saying is when something's naissance, when something's just brand new, we might be casting about and doing all sorts of things wrong and coming from different from wrong areas.

35:38 But you're right. If we make that pivot, it's right. If we make the pivot to all right. I have evidence, I have data. What? Let me explore this further. Right now, instead of making the wild claim that God told me to wash the hands. And this is why it came to be. Right. Think about the the most likely scenario of the hand washing being accepted and adopted by others coming from the I don't know, position saying, listen, I started doing this right.

36:08 Not even bothering talking about why you started doing it. Like I started washing my hands, washing the debris off my hands right before touching the babies. And I'm seeing much less infection rates. Yeah. I don't know why. Think about that. Scientists to scientists. I don't think the intellect. Yes. You were going to have more credibility if you do not introduce wild claims along with the thing you want people to believe.

36:36 Absolutely. But I feel like I don't want to tell someone. Hell, if you feel like that was your inspiration and you somehow feel like your audience will be receptive, go for it. But I would agree with you that would not ever be my approach, even if I was inspired by God. Quote unquote, right to spew it. So there's, okay, there's that whole thing of like, kill the messenger.

37:02 That's morning. All right. How are you? There's a there's a there's a big thing in play all the time. Kill the messenger. Right. And, the kill the messenger idea is that, even if you talk somebody out of their faith based belief, let's say. Okay, you go about the process of talking somebody out of their faith based belief, and it works, which is unlikely.

37:24 But let's say you pull it off, right? You still emotionally, in the long run, don't gain, any type of higher status in that person's mind. In fact, invariably you get the opposite effect. Yeah. Invariably you get the opposite effect. You actually end up in individually having a diminished value in the mind of that person that you talked out of that faith based idea.

37:51 Okay. Like, do you want to be the one that that tells the kid that Santa is not real? No. Because what's that kid going to do? I mean, may not maybe not hate you so much, but definitely not be happy with you. Yeah. Emotionally, you were the one that brought that that that reality into that person's world. Yeah.

38:11 And they blame you. And that hurt and that hurt because it's painful to be shaken from a belief. Yeah. Especially when that's so closely important to you. Right. So being the bearer of that news automatically puts you in a behind the eight ball in a bad position with the other person intellectually. Yeah. See what I'm trying to say?

38:34 Yeah. Oh. Was Pat back down the Greenway trying to see if we can avoid dump trucks today. It might not be possible. Like one might come down the greenway while we're on it. I mean, with our luck. Yes. Like almost 100%. We we are garbage trucks seeking machines. Yeah. Maybe, maybe there's a symbolic. Yeah. Yeah. They've been trying to pick up the trash for a while.

39:00 Yeah, we either are garbage or we're doing something to fight it. Yeah. Yeah. But based on the way that the analogy is coming out, I think. Yeah. We're just trash. Yeah. Yeah. They're just trying to pick up the trash. It's fine. They're trying to clean the city. Right? Yeah. You're trash, bro. You're trash. That's awesome. Yeah. So. Okay, here we go.

39:23 Here we go. With the back to the idea of faith healer. I mentioned before, it's worth repeating because it's fucking hilarious. Is that if you have a faith healer wearing glasses. Yep. If you have a, if you have a faith healer, you know, wearing glasses. But like automatically I think is a disqualified. Right. But thereby I'm going to say like I mentioned earlier, it's funny but it is a really hard thing to cure.

39:51 You know we have to go. We. Yeah. We have some complicated hoops to jump through to cure bad eyesight. That's right. Because the person struggling for 50 years with miss just pops out of the wheelchair. That's easy. But, like, you know, degeneration. Hell, no. Oh, hell no. Can't talk her that the devil has a special reservation on that, right?

40:09 Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's, It's interesting. Faith healing is in my family, my great aunt Bessie. So there's.

40:22 Five generations of my family that have the same birthday, December 20th, which is mine. And, I mean, I count that as nothing special other than must have just been a good time to have sex, but, Well, nine months prior. Nine months prior. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, something about one time in March. Yeah, yeah, sometime in March.

40:44 There's been a great time. The spring flowers, spring showers bring sperm, I guess. So I guess that's what we're talking about. They were just handing out. Sperm showers and pearl necklaces.

40:59 The spring showers. But, So the faith healing in your family. Yeah. Faith healing. And my family. My great Aunt Bessie is the oldest one. She's over a hundred. She was a faith healer. All right. And and now has credibility. Well, morning. She now is rotting away in a nursing home. But, you know, it's actually made you a hundred.

41:25 Yeah. Made her faith healing is working out for her. So it least the idea is. And you talk to her about it. And my grandpa would talk to me about the things she would say to. And ultimately, it was kind of funny.

41:41 She looked at her role in the community as giving people some hope. Okay. She was like, she. My grandpa was like, she kind of really didn't believe in what she was doing. Sure. She just really looked at it like, I'm helping people because they. So she's the doctor prescribing a placebo. Really? Yes, yes. And the really? My grandpa was telling me there really wasn't a doctor.

42:08 Yeah. So. So mind over matter is is a 100% documented phenomenon. That's real. Right. He's like, down in the hall or in Kentucky? Yeah. There wasn't anybody else. It was her. Okay. There's a certain there's a certain, like, I guess pass that you get in that kind of, situation. Yeah. If there's nothing else and you have some type of angle in a area of despair to kind of inject some hope, I guess, yeah, I can make some justifications or some, exemptions.

42:40 Yeah. The village shaman doesn't sound quite as bad then. Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But in a modern, you know, internet connected information age society, right? You know, everything that everything from psychics to soothsayers to palm readers to whatever to the church should be waning. Yeah. And we see waning happening in many of these different areas. Right. Which is which I think is hopeful.

43:12 You know. Yeah. But so you could also then make the argument and say, okay, well, what's left then? Okay. You've taken away all this mysticism. You've taken it all away from people. Yeah. Right. You get what you want, Christian. You take it all away from everybody. Right. Where do they turn, then? For their hope. For their inspiration. Sucker.

43:31 You know, where do they turn for that? Where's that safe harbor? That, that retreat? And that's the exact question I've been trying to answer with the idea of, I don't know, leaving the mind open for possibilities in that domain. Because let's say, for argument's sake, that science leads to the idea, to the discovery, if you will, that that that God exists.

43:52 Right, right, right. Let's say. Okay. Well, if you were close minded to the, I don't know, to the I don't know, like if you're close minded to the concept of, I don't know, you won't be willing to accept the new evidence. Correct. Correct. And then miss out on the joy in the know. Yes. That's coming from, you know, this, this, this, potent intellect.

44:14 And I'm with you that I, I know a lot of people don't find it that way, but I'm. I find the unknown comforting. Absolutely. I find the fact that there is so much that we don't understand, that we don't know to be a good thing. It doesn't frighten me. I am it that it does frighten some people, but they have to take into consideration that there's an automatic closed mindedness that occurs with accepting someone else's explanation that has.

44:39 No, that's not evidence based. Right? Right. You've now accepted a degree of closed mindedness in that domain. Yeah. And how does that serve you, really? You've narrowed your mindset and your ability to. I mean, I hate to say it, I've always kind of put it forth as being soft headed because you you be so many things, so many other possibilities.

45:04 You said no to them. And now you in dunning Kruger fashion, you know, you know, you know now. Yeah, of course God created the universe. God is an extra dimensional being. And he must be to, you know, to to be able to create the world, he has to be the universe. He has to be extra dimensional to the universe.

45:22 Okay, well then why can't the universe be extra dimensional to itself? You know, of course, then you get one thing can be extra dimensional, then the possibility for all things to be God's eternal. He doesn't have a beginning and end, right? He's. I am the Alpha and the Omega. There you go. So. Okay, well, then what we're saying is that there's a possibility in the universe something can exist that's eternal.

45:42 So then why can't the universe itself, the eternal, be eternal? Yeah, but then our scientific evidence says, oh, wait, it's a system that's kind. It's in some sort of closed loop that once its energy is gone, it's gone. Sure. And then, you know, you can question that and you can start to like, look at the data and, you know, keep an open mind.

46:01 Like, sure, it might not be the end all, be all, it might not be. And our understanding of entropy and chaos might not be a complete picture. So my position is that the most open minded position is the one of accepting that you don't know something. It is. It is. Right. And it's hard for a lot of people.

46:22 Yeah. And but then also at the same time, simultaneously rejecting someone's spackle right over that hole with their made up thing, with their faith based thing, saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying I don't know. But I'm also saying so to you. Yeah. He doesn't know. Oh no no no I know, I know, it's God that did that.

46:43 Okay. No. You know your faith. That is God. Yeah, but you don't actually know. But knowledge and faith are absolutely separate. Well, I'm trying to make that case. Yeah. You know, but in a, in a, in a, in a group of normal people who have the normal amount of belief in ghosts and normal amount of belief in psychics, the norm, right?

47:05 It's it's it's an uphill battle. It's Sisyphus, you know, uphill battle. Being tech, it's literally impossible because every time you even get something a little bit going, right, the huge boulder just comes rolling back down. Because they keep defaulting to this idea. They won't accept the premise that the onus of proof is on the claimant. They won't accept that.

47:33 Right. So like the person making the claim is the one responsible for the proof burden? Yeah. Not the person saying there's no evidence to believe that, right? And I mean, the same thing happens when you're at work. If you want to change something where you claim that something is wrong. Where does the onus of responsibility lie on you?

47:54 That's right. So so let's let's go with the idea of the faith of the psychic detective. Okay, easy. It's easy to understand this. Cops can't figure out a crime. Well, they decided to take some of their budget. They found this lady online that comes in and, you know, swings a pendulum over a tarot cards. Sure. And, you know, comes up with information that might help crack the case.

48:20 Right? Yes. So the police department is like, oh, okay, let's take the word that desperate. Yeah. Let's take the five grand we were going to spend on forensics. And, or a lot of times I gather this just from looking at the from seeing the cases on TV and everything. Like, we've tried everything. We've spent the five grand on forensics.

48:38 Okay. Right. We tried everything. Let's bring in the psychic. Right. The psychic comes in and boom has some kind of, like, makes basically guesses and is right. Okay. And leads to a clue which cracks the case. Let's just say right now, everybody in that experiment, everybody experiment, everybody in that, in that process that just happened now starts to have some type of belief in from one data point.

49:06 It starts to have some type of belief in the psychic ability. Yeah. Okay. Now the common person cop a cop for price X, right? A common person does not absolutely does not have the, scientific training. Logic training. Right. To parse that out in their mind like some people do. But but in general, like the, the, the let's just take the average.

49:31 Right. It's going to then start to cement a faith based, belief structure in this type of thing. If it's popularized and the psychic markets itself well, which they, they're, they tend to do, they're always showman. Yeah. They always have great showmanship. Right. Right. And great emotional intelligence. And that's part of how they can trick people. Right. But then let's say for argument's sake, you have the one skeptic that says, you know what I want to I want to follow this person now and across the next 50 cases.

50:02 So 49 more more data points. Right. And see if that person is more accurate than just chance. Right. Does that actual long study and finds out that they're worse than chance? Yeah. Should the police department ever hire a psychic again? And I would say probably highly dependent on the individual psychic you're hiring. Yeah. So let's say you have let's say that you have, 30 cops in the police department that has this experience to where this psychic came in and cracked the case.

50:36 Right. I think some of these psychics who do have some sort of success are probably not just guessing. They might actually be doing some work. Well, they asked tons of questions to the cops, and they, they they, they try to intuitively visualize, like maybe some ideas and then maybe have some experience that's that's valid. But that's all within the human equation.

50:54 It is going from the ether of the inner dimension, the human equation, and, you know, the but I guess what I'm saying is, hey, one a scientific guess from a psychic. As far as far superior. Yeah. No no no no. Like what I'm saying. I'm saying, yeah. What you just said is true. But what I'm saying is that, like the FBI profiler with 30 years of field experience that is basing everything on verifiable science, using the science to create statistical models on where we likely should start looking next.

51:29 Right. Is going to have way better statistical results over time than the psychic 100%. And that's really what you should be looking at is profiling. Okay. Whenever you're lost. Right. So why isn't there a law or regulation across law enforcement that says if you are going to if you reach the limits on your case file and you're going to bring in a third party agent to help crack the case, it must be an FBI.

51:57 You know, it must be this, this type of, person pinch hitter. Right? Yeah. That you're bringing in before it can be a psychic. There we go. Because the data suggests that's where the money is going to solve the most crimes. Yeah. So if we're going to be stewards of the have a fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayer to spend that money appropriately or the most effectively.

52:20 Yep. We have to make rules saying that the psychic has to go. Can't be. Now flip the script. If psychics worked oh, there would be no police departments. There would just be groups of psychics solving all of our crimes. We have these cabals of psychics running our society. Yeah, it's it's awesome. You call the hotline, the psychic, your name and your credit card number.

52:45 You know, Miss Cleo, remember back in the day? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She ended up in jail. Well, she's a fraudster, so what do you expect? But, well, you know, there's there's, established ways to commit fraud. That. Right? Right. Right. Right. Right, right. You're going to do fraud. You have to do it within the established guidelines.

53:06 Yeah, yeah. And she went outside of those established guidelines because you can set up a hotline. You can have people call you you can build them exorbitant amounts. Thank you for calling Miss Cleo, baby. How can I help you, man? Yeah, yeah. And she's from the Bronx.

53:23 Or wherever. Right. Anna. And you're. You know, Miss Cleo was so big. You're not getting Miss Cleo on the phone. Yeah, she was pretty big. I'll give you that. She, she had a she got so big. She had a home and,

53:40 Miami out on the water. And it begs the question, shouldn't she have seen it coming? Shouldn't you see that indictment coming and and, Yeah. Closed up shop and back to Jamaica. Something. Yeah. Shredded some records at a certain point. Yeah. Oh, the cards are telling me I should should close up shop and go back to Jamaica. Moved back to the one room shack from once I came and live like a fucking queen for the rest of her life.

54:07 Right. But sure, if forensics worked, if psychic detective detective was a thing that actually had a statistical, you know, better than chance, and there was evidence that it worked. Every fucking police department in the country would have a psychic on board, right? Right. But they don't. So what does that tell you? That most likely it's rooted in fraud.

54:32 There you go. And now. Now think about this extra little wrinkle. The harm that's caused by the false hope, by misdirecting the police to chasing false leads. So, okay, if you can call up the police department and you say, I know you're working on a case such and such, I have an anonymous tip. If you go dig underneath the home plate and Yankee Stadium, you'll find the body.

55:00 Right. So they orchestrate this big ordeal. Go under home plate and dig. And they just have a hole now with nobody. Right. And they have all this massive outlay of money, time, resources for all of which are limited. Yes. Right. And thereby, if they find out who falsified that police report, they arrest them. That's right. And so the psychic should be treated with the same thing.

55:23 If a person is trying to enrich themselves and misappropriating police dollar and police activity and police time and energy and resources into false science, into a false pseudoscience that they call psychic, right? What are they? What are they really doing? In fact, they're coming to a crime. Yeah. And to their defense they might not know it. They might actually themselves believe in their own abilities.

55:49 They might. And that's like the nosy blow effect right. Yeah. So what's that the. No Sibo placebo and no Sibo. I don't know, no, no, Sibo is like when the person really believes, you know, they have a measure of self-deception. Got it. So it's like the doctor believing that the that the cure is, like the opposite of expectation.

56:11 It's a negative expectation. Oh. Creating, creating, reducing the efficacy of something because they don't believe it themselves. Oh. And so then instead of creating the possible effect where it amplifies is assistive, it's the opposite. It's antagonistic. So they decrease the efficacy of some treatment or whatever. Right. Because they don't have personal belief in it. Okay. Right. Even though they're administering it.

56:37 Wow. It's like a doctor with a low success rate of administering chemo. Right. Might begin to lose faith, if you will, in the chemo and then that that lack of faith or belief for them. So they're not championing it. Right. Trickles down to the or to the patient patients who don't have the science and need a little bit of the faith.

56:59 Right. Right. So, you know, you start to talk to the doctor empirically if you're going through some type of, you're going through you're going through a cancer treatment and you have to take your chemo or whatever. And they mean immunologist that gets assigned to you. Right. Let's say you're really empirical guy. And you know how these effects work on the mind and stuff like that.

57:20 Sure. You start to say, okay, I want to I want to select my immunologist on track record. Wow. Track record only. Yeah. Because I'm not going to believe in the placebo or the no CBO effect. It's not going to work on me because I know how the trick works. Okay. Right. So I'm. I mean, so I'm just going to base it solely on the immunologist with the best track record, highest rate of cure, but with you end up with somebody who has a high rate of care but no bedside manner whatsoever.

57:49 Okay. How are they getting the result, then? I mean, yeah, most effective use of the treatment. Right. Right. And the most scientific. More than likely, there's someone else on their team that's offering the, the other component. Right. That is essential to recovery. I don't know whether what's called. Yeah. The mean the immunologist is so good, right? She realizes she doesn't have good bedside manner, but then appropriates that through a colleague.

58:16 Right. Still creates that element for the person. She realizes that she's a no Sibo type person. So she engages with a whole bunch of people that are great at bringing invoking the procedure. Yeah. Effect. Because you knowing that those are real things in place, you need it. Yeah. There you go. You you need the patient to believe in the treatment.

58:35 Especially when it's, when the statistics say it's not in your favor. You need the faith. Right. Right. Or the variant of faith like the placebo or the whatever, you know. Right. Right. You know, the the the crash course on meditation. Because the meditation is known to supplement the treatment. Right, right, right. Because you're going to keep your body calm.

59:00 You're going to take any of the oxygen you need. You're going to all the systems in your body are going to work better because of your meditation. So there's a version of psychic idea that I heard as a kid that really stuck with me is that this boy had a brain tumor, and he had his little X-Wing fighter in his room, and he had the X-ray of the tumor.

59:22 He had a print out of the X-ray of the tumor. Yeah. And he was flying the X-Wing around all the time, shooting the tumor in his play and his head in his play. Yeah. And miraculously, the tumor without treatment had shrunk dramatically very rapidly. Right. Right. This was like, maybe this was just insane or. Oh, I mean, I heard something similar, but, it was with Ghostbusters.

59:44 Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Sure, sure. So what I'm saying is that, you know, a change enough, like, evidence of these type of things, like, like like a child at play. Invoking a physiological response. I 100% believe that can happen. No, no, that's what I'm saying. It seems within the realm of, like mine, over matter.

1:00:08 I thought it was hilarious. It's got the gnomes. Yeah. So plays into the idea of mind over matter and it affected way. Yeah. It really does mean to where there actually could be some legitimacy there. So you could imagine this really cool futuristic hybrid approach where it's like the chemo targeted radiation in certain doses. Immunotherapy. Right. Combined with meditation combined with the play, the child being directed in certain types of play.

1:00:34 Yeah. And maybe even the adult. Yeah. Directed in these thought exercises. These. Right. All working in concert to achieve the mind over matter combined with the traditional treatment. And that is I feel like that's the ultimate of embracing I don't know, but. Hey, man. Brother. Amen. Amen. I'm talking about. It appears to have some efficacy. So let's employ it.

1:00:56 Let's it and then study it and and get better and better at it and get it quantified. Get it empirical to where inevitably it becomes an actual concrete. And I guess that's what I'm saying. I don't want to miss out on that. But you don't miss out on it by saying, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Right.

1:01:10 If you truly say, I don't know and accept and bring in and analyze all things, but if you use. I don't know too. No, no no, no. You can't bring into analyze all things. That's exhaustive. It's impossible. Well, okay. I'm not saying all things, but you be open to all possibilities. To all possibilities. That's totally fair. And that's what I don't know.

1:01:28 It does. That's I don't know, is the placeholder for saying I'm open to anything that could potentially work. Yeah. Because I don't know. Right. Right. I mean, you know, when I say I do know, I started running and I guess what I'm saying. But I know God will handle it. Oh, there we go. Jesus, take the wheel. Yeah.

1:01:46 And now you're in the fucking ditch. And I guess what I'm saying. Right. Excluding things like esp, excluding things like psychic stuff to to rather say it's probably not true is is, I think the better position because we may come across a situation, maybe a limited one where it is true. Sure. There's no thing wrong. Even though people take it so terribly, there's nothing wrong with saying I don't think the data, the data that I'm aware of doesn't suggest that.

1:02:16 True. Yeah. But you say that to some people and you might as well say fuck you and your soul. I hate you die on the right. That's what they hear. Yeah, yeah. Because that's a big threat to their worldview, their house of cards that they've predicated a lot of their ideas upon. You know, and I mean, the more you describe it, it really does come across as a fragility of a house of cards.

1:02:36 Yeah. And so, like last night, I prepared this big, huge outline of like talking points and topics to really break down the subject, get down to the kind of nitty gritty we're talking about now. And I wasn't able to touch a third of the list because because people are talking about like like I know, I know because I had this experience.

1:02:54 So does that usually happen? I mean, I would imagine you're not able to get through most of your talking points most of the time. No, I normally do get through them. Okay. But I should have known better in this domain because it had it it was a two generalized. Right. The the topic was the search for superpowers.

1:03:13 Oh. Like with asking, begging the question. Why does mankind systematically continue to cling to anything into this idea of supernatural? Right? Why? It's because we haven't been intellectually taught. We haven't been educated to to think in this, I don't know, fashion. Right? With this, the beauty of the empirical mind, the beauty of the logical mind hasn't been celebrated and endorsed and taught.

1:03:42 It's rather been a Sunday. School is what people get. Yes. And they don't get Sunday logic. They get Sunday school, which is, you know, God did this, you know, but logic is two by two and couched is cold. And I don't think it has to be cold. It just has to be shown as a tool you can employ.

1:04:06 So why don't we create a Sunday school literally, literally trading Sunday school that teaches logic, critical thinking and skeptical thinking. Okay, yeah. For kids and allow a non Boy Scout format or non clergy format. So molestation is not a part of it. So okay. All right I'm being serious here. How do we end of our conversation. I would love to prevent molestation in those situations.

1:04:36 How do you prevent it when you have a someone imbued with such authority by, gosh, simply so easy, you do the same thing that you do with the kids. You employ the logic, you employ skepticism, and you employ empirical means, and you put a fucking camera up. In essence, you monitor, you put a camera up. Yeah. You monitor people.

1:04:54 All the people congregate to this place on Sunday and their children are experiencing this, these, these thought experiments in logic and reason, critical thinking and skepticism. And we monitor and the whole thing is on recording. Yeah. That's how you solve it. Yeah. And nobody's allowed to have one on ones. Nobody's allowed to come out of the room, so to speak.

1:05:15 Yeah. If there was a camera in the locker room at the YMCA or in the back room in the priest's den with the choir boy, or in the tent with the fucking scout, you wouldn't have this bullshit. You're right. But you take these fucking scumbags and you put them to the light of put them out in the light.

1:05:32 And they they either scurry for the corner or don't do their bullshit or don't act like roaches. Right? Don't act like scumbags. And so that's how you do it. You say, look, your kids are completely protected. You drop them off. The whole thing is watchable. On, on. Yeah. You can view the stream. Absolutely. Absolutely. And we do this protect your kids, and we protect ourselves.

1:05:52 And we do it to protect the integrity of what's being offered. Yeah. And I mean, not only could you know, and I'm sure and they're not doing it at Sunday school, and that's all you need to know.

1:06:05 Because they don't want their bullshit exposed. We're opening our stuff to the light. We're saying we're saying go ahead. And more than likely, they'll be handouts or digital materials or things that the parents can look at or audit to if they want. Why not? You know, you know, if you record the sessions, then you have a, you know, a piece of evidence and on how nothing bullshit went down.

1:06:27 And maybe you record it so that it's in a format that you can, you know, recycle it to other. Right, right, right. And refine enhance, propagate. Yeah. Expand create courses out of it. So we so I, I just invented it this morning. We need a new version of Sunday school for logic, skeptical skepticism and reason. And navigating the modern world that's filled with misinformation, that's filled with misinformation and dangerous faith.

1:06:57 That last thing, navigating the modern world that's loaded with misinformation and dangerous faith claims. Yeah, there's the tagline. And, you know, maybe we don't start with that. That's the last tagline because no, no, no, you got I feel like if you I feel like you say dangerous plans first three things you'll get more people. Okay. A dangerous faith claim is when you tell a kid that you're going to hell because you had a bad thought.

1:07:28 True. That is a dangerous. Or you're going to hell because you cussed, or that is a dangerous faith claim. You're putting up with a terror, a terror in the kid's mind. You draw people in and not seem extreme. We leave that off. The tagline is all we want to draw people in first, then we go extreme. Once they're there.

1:07:50 When we're setting it up, a debate, whether that third verse of eating or not. Awesome. Good one, good one.