Virtual Life, UFO Sightings & Dimensions

0:00 All right, so today we're supposed to have a continuation of the topic about whether or not we live in a computer simulation. Yeah. And I said I was gonna say save your argument. Say why? I think the answer is no. Yeah, right. And, I'll start with the idea that, like, UFO sightings. So that as humans started to, have more and more aircraft, the number of UFO reportings were directly correlated.

0:28 Right. All right. So, you know, of course, there's natural weather phenomena that's going to create all kinds of optical illusions and mirages and whatever that Jurassic Park pockets supposedly, such as that. Yeah. And they're strange with little wisp, they call them. Yeah. There's these apparently these strange things like lightning balls. Oh, okay. Like lightning. Not. I actually saw one roll into the house.

0:51 Over. Over the power line. Really? Okay. I was sitting there with my grandpa. It's over. Yes. Okay. I was like, whoa! Or 13. Wait wait wait. Sober for multiple days. Yeah. Yeah, I was 13. I hadn't touched the brush. Okay. So your pet, your parents were helping you fall asleep or, you know, go. Okay, okay. This wasn't at my parents house.

1:11 Was at my grandparents house. All right. And, my grandpa and I were sitting there talking. We were, Sorry. I don't mean to drive that tree, but that tree right there legit has a dick. Does it? Like. Like that's that. Sorry. You're saying take a picture of. Yeah. We should. We should take a picture that should go.

1:30 Yeah, that that should probably be a, That's very unusual. That thing. That tree is like voyeuristic looking in that window. There must be like a hot plant inside or something. I will someday one of these days from what I understand those things go for like big dollars to, for making furniture and stuff. Really? Yeah. Whenever they've got the weird.

1:53 Yeah. When they have those, there's there's a word for it. I thought it was like a pearl or I thought it was called a canker, but it's called something else. Okay. Okay. It's, you know, when a tree has a growth like that, the actual, like, internal, like the way that the grain looks inside is, like, really unique.

2:11 How are these? That's great. Okay. Thank you. You. So, Yeah, that thing is just waiting to grow some balls. Oh, I already have. They haven't dropped yet. They're. They're on this side. They're on. It's a tree. It can do whatever it wants. Yeah, but you just gotta connect the guy on the phone together, right? Yeah. The tree is like, you know what?

2:33 We're the dominant species on the planet and biomass, and we've been here for billions of years, and so, we do what we want. Yeah. Anyway, so, supposedly the the internal grain of those, you know, if you make furniture and stuff out of this crate. Quite amazing. So cool. They. Yeah, they sell for. Yeah, that could be like a, I don't know, $800 penis or something.

2:54 $800 thing. Yeah. It's like more than you'd have to spend on Etsy. Wow. But anyway, so, you're sitting here saying this, lightening came in. I was sitting there, it was like, really late, and, my grandpa and I were talking at this. Okay? The skiff was rolling, which means that solar flares are affecting the atmosphere. Oh, okay.

3:17 And that's what the phrasing. Yeah. I've never heard that before. Basically, when solar flares are exciting in the ionosphere and you can, you know, bounce off of it and go further. Okay. So we were talking about that, and he had his, hammer egg out. Okay. So we were seeing who we could get a hold of you.

3:38 And we had just gotten to Cuba from Kentucky. Cool. And, you know, so we got the guy to agree to send us. I think it's called a QSL card. And so basically, he would send us a postcard that said, hey, this is this, you know, ham radio license from Cuba. Oh, so, like, when you connect with somebody, you send in the mail, like calling card from your station.

4:04 Yeah. That's a cool way to, like, collect those over time. Yeah, something like that. So we had hundreds and hundreds of it. Yeah. That's cool. And, so we were doing that, and then all of a sudden two over the line that we were hooked up to. It killed his hand rig and everything. This ball of electricity rolls in and goes across the floor and dissipates.

4:28 So weird. So was it. Was it maybe like these phenomenon combined, like the solar flare thing combined with, like, you know, charged particles in the air could be broadcasting on some type of energetic. Yeah. Could be all these things combined created crazy. You. Yeah. So what was your reaction to that? I was freaking out, right? I mean, I was like, I'm not sitting near that outlet anymore.

4:53 And he's like, well, you guys, let's unplug everything. So he was calm about it. Yeah. So he wasn't freaking out, you know? I was going nuts. I was 12 or 13. It was like magic. Yeah. And I just didn't know what was happening. He's like you guys. Because I've never seen it before either. But I've heard about it because it's natural.

5:14 It's okay. Already then. And he's like, let's just go ahead and check everything major in the house and see if it blew thing out. And let's look at the, So we went and looked at the breaker box. We went looked at everything. I said something you want to have on video, man? Right. That would have been crazy to see.

5:32 Just like there's probably someone's got video, but somewhere there has to be. Now, now I got to go check out for lightning videos. Yeah, but, But what a spectacle that must have. It was nuts. And so it moves with, like, trackable pace. Like so it did move so fast. Like it wasn't like a lightning strike. It was like it rolled in literally, like, literally rolled in on the light.

5:56 So weird. Like it was for a second there, it was a long the wire that was up to the wall, and then it kind of rolled into the floor. So crazy. What? So why do you think it wouldn't? Why would it? Why wouldn't it have like a super rapid pace? Why might it be like, kind of, you know, human speed?

6:12 Yeah. Why? I don't know. I don't know why it wasn't so quick. I couldn't see it. Is what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, because you can barely catch a lightning strike. So it's almost like what? You're. What's that thing that you see in the mad science lab? The, like the Tesla coil? This thing is like, oh, Jacob's ladder.

6:28 Jacob's ladder. Right. So. So it might have been along those principles like it was following some, you know, some the path of least resistance and working. Yeah. But, you know, now it makes me wonder why the Jacob's Ladder goes that at a, you know, kind of visible, not right now. Why does the Jacob's ladder like I guess it has a build up charge.

6:48 So maybe that's it. Maybe maybe that this thing built up the charge along the wire. And that's why it wasn't, like, crazy fast. Yeah. Hold on. What is that? Close. Oh, is that a lock locking mechanism? No, it looks like a it looks like a, an E or something. Yeah, it could be. It says elf bar B6 5000.

7:15 Maybe. This is a battery pack and it's still blinking. Okay. Weird. It looks like somebody ran over it by accident. Oh, is it like a portable? No, that's definitely where. Like where you suck at it. Okay. Yep. And then there's the charging port. Yeah. So that was somebody s e.

7:34 Somebody like, What? What is the correct e-cigarette? Where we're seeing all kinds of strange things that are so, Okay, I kind of get it that that must have been crazy awesome to see. Yeah, it was weird. But it was fun. And then. And that's why I brought up all those things. I feel like they contributed to the situation, you know?

7:56 Yeah. For sure. So there you go. So you have these, like, weird natural phenomenon, okay, that people are going to witness. And then you have a more interconnected world. So like when people see these phenomenon they can report it more readily. Right. It's like there's telephones and there's. Yeah. And there's a certain immediacy to it. Yes. And now today you even have like, you know, I can capture this on video, you know, some, some atmospheric or strange flying thing that, you know, catches your fancy.

8:22 Yeah. So interestingly, the number of, like I said, the number of reports of UFOs and strange things that people have seen have gone up proportionately with technology, more technology, people put up in the sky, right? Weather balloons, airplanes, etc. the more recently UFOs. Right? Right, right. Things they can't identify really. Right. And so, you know, to give aliens credit for that, it's kind of kind of sad.

8:48 Like why, why, why falsely give aliens credit for all these extra UFOs when really the evidence suggests it's people are doing it right. So so humans should get more of the credit for the UFOs. But anyway, so, I'm leading to why this evidence is, you know, leading in the direction of why we're not living in a computer simulation.

9:08 Right. So talk about living inside of computer simulation requires the necessity to have computers like so to even think about, to even get it into your imagination at some point. Right. That we live in a computer simulation, you have to have the computers have to exist, or at least be in the imagination of people. Yeah. To imagine that there's a machine that could create a simulated environment to begin with.

9:32 Right? Right. So you roll back 200 years ago and there's no such thing. Right? So so do you go back to literature from 200 years ago? And, sure, there's stuff about metaphysics that we might live in some kind of, you know, we're butterfly imagining we're a person, you know, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. But there was no zero talk about living inside of computer simulation, because computers didn't exist yet.

9:52 Yeah. The earliest thing I've heard of as far as the computer simulation argument, and I'm not insanely well-versed in this, somebody might be something else. The Boltzmann brain, scenario was okay, go ahead. More likely that a brain would evolve out of nothing. The nothingness of the universe and be there intact with memories and experience. Then we would come about.

10:19 But why? Who would come up? Why would someone deduce that that rationality is a thought experiment that some guy did in the 30s? Oh, okay. Thought experiment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Well, so thought experiments do dream up things like, you know, we could just be in a dream state, perpetual dream state and all types of different explanations for reality besides reality, right?

10:40 Yeah. But it's just really running this. It was like back to the napkin, running some statistics, you know, and the guy's like, hey, all these things coming together, this confluence of things is highly unlikely. It'd be more likely this other thing happened. So people are using the Bose Hicks and they're using the quantum entanglement and they're using the God particle and all this, you know, the they're saying this all this stuff and they're, they're using this to then say, oh, you can see based on the quantum state that this is sign that it's a hyper velocity computer, which has limitations.

11:11 That's why the speed of light exists. That's a limitation because the computing speed has to have some kind of limitation. So the universal constant. So they're saying hey it runs on some sort of substrate that's got physical limits. Yeah. And it's really creative and imaginative. All these things that people are tying into this idea that we live in a computer simulation and they're using all this like latest science and, you know, these recent discoveries in physics and, you know, etc. to tie into a theory.

11:37 But I think that the kind of elephant in the room is that this has been done over and over in all different kinds of domains, and none of them have stuck. Yeah. And so imagine this two like it's the same argument against the idea of a creator of the universe. You start with the premise, you know, the, sixth grader, right.

11:59 Easily can point out, well, who created God, right. And so we're living inside of a computer simulation, inside a computer simulation, inside of computer simulation. Right? You get into this inception layers that pull back and you just have to say, well, then who created that right and why? Right. And then the best, most compelling argument I've ever heard against the idea of a God is that the creator of the universe, this is the best they could do, and the same would be true for the computer simulation.

12:28 Like this is the best that the computer simply, yeah, this is the highest fidelity. This is the highest. This is the best result. Yeah. I mean, the fidelity is amazing, right? But the but the way it plays out like like this is the best. I really kind of touched upon this in The Matrix right. How the, the the fact.

12:48 Well the first reality was too good. Yeah. And the human mind couldn't, couldn't comprehend or couldn't just drive it insane. Yeah. It couldn't deal with like no trauma in the world. So it had to create this, like shitty world, right? For, for people's mind. So it's like a huge, ding on human nature is what that was. Right?

13:04 Like, well, I mean, you look at the situation that human nature evolved in, assuming the based world was not a simulation and the trauma and, and chaos and, and all of that. Of course, we needed the same thing. We were we evolved in. Yeah. And so okay. And then if you're inside of computer simulation at this point, it would be one of two ways.

13:28 It'd be like the matrix where your brain, your organic brain is hooked up to some computer and that's where it's getting all the simulation right. Or the whole thing is just simulated itself. Like the whole entire thing is just a figment of simulated reality. Yeah, right. So you're just in memory, you know? Right. And your consciousness is just and your sentence just all words that really are just loose, loosely definable words, right?

13:51 Yeah. I mean, yeah, we only have so much personal insight and introspection. We we can only peer so far into the machinations of what it is to be a conscious human being. So and so what we have is you have a biological layer. Then inside simulated inside the, the mechanical layer, that would be completely unnecessary. So, you know, in other words, like imagine this thing that's completely in simulation, completely in computer memory, whatever the functional equivalent of some sophisticated, you know, machine, you know, as created, this manifested this reality, and it creates a biological machine inside the mechanical machine.

14:29 Right, right, right. So it's burst. It's it's running. It's basically a hypervisor for this biological machine. Yeah. It's a virtual machine running a biological machine. Right. Yeah. Not in physical reality, but in simulation. Right. So like when we study ourselves in our brain and, you know, anatomy and all this kind of stuff, that would just be a figment of the simulation, right?

14:50 Whatever. Whatever was available from the simulation, a 100% completely unnecessary step if you think about it. Because now you've you've you've made just this material separation for no reason. Like so in other words, like the simulated being could be just a computer, right? Well, maybe it's like this. Maybe the simulation we're in is like a stepping stone to something that we're less simulated, like, okay, we have the idea of containers which are like lightweight virtualized hardware, right?

15:25 Not as much hardware as virtualized. Okay. So human biology and human physiology is just a container that limits. So it makes it easier on the simulation. Yeah. So this is easier to simulate. Wait. We're starting to prove that the simulation is really okay. This is backwards. Wait a minute. Yeah. No but that's okay. So that would actually be a great explanation.

15:44 Good thinking I like that. So that's actually is somewhat of an explanation as to why you'd have some kind of matrix, you know, not like the matrix movie, but some kind of fundamental, framework by which you simulate the being it. Yeah. I don't want to kind of and so that, you know, that that's just as good as any other explanation.

16:06 Right? So yeah, that all things being equal, it's just another thought experiment. Yep. So evidence. Yeah. It's it's really interesting to that. The okay. So you think in the simulated environment there'd be certain things that would hold true. So like one you wouldn't waste resources on blanks like, so you wouldn't waste resources on nulls or otherwise.

16:31 I guess it's turn around, flood it out so you wouldn't waste. You wouldn't waste computing resources. You wouldn't waste, effort on mysterious mysteries from the past. So, like, for example, you wouldn't have human history would be more clear cut, right? Right, right. You wouldn't. You wouldn't have to have any. You wouldn't need this ambiguity to be quickly dive into.

16:52 Right. Because it would serve no functional purpose unless, you know, it's just limited by my imagination, which which of course, the whole entire we're not living in a simulation argument could just be defeated by saying you just lack the imagination. Well, it could also be maybe human history isn't as clear cut because it's an advantage to being nebulous and ill defined, because slowly entropy is taking the data.

17:15 Slowly the data is degrading of the past. So even even the the incredibly sophisticated supercomputer that's making the simulation, first of all, still suffers from bit. Right. And all the classic problems maybe. Yeah. But again that's imposing our own limitations on it. So, so pretty much every kind of aspect that we come up with, we could, we could, we could use it as a plus or minus for or against the computer simulation argument.

17:38 Right. Yeah. So here we are back to the same thing is that I have this, friend of mine, Mark, that I've known for years and years and years, and he's a hella Christian like, it's maybe not the right word to put in front of the word Christian. Look, he's a diehard, you know? Yeah, really hardcore Christian. Thoroughly invested, thoroughly invested.

17:58 But he's not dumbass. And so he's not just like, blind faith kind of guy. Yeah. And a lot of the cool arguments that I've ever heard for Christianity have come from this guy. That's awesome. And, he definitely doesn't like imagination. Yeah. He says, he says things like, well, the New Testament is a new it's a new contract.

18:16 It's a new covenant with God, a new covenant with God. And you know, that explains why the Old Testament is replaced by the new. And people lacked a certain amount of spiritual and, psychological and civil, sophistication back in the day. And so, I guess in their more primitive morning, like in man's more primitive state, the Iron Fist, kind of, you're calling it the only way to do it.

18:44 Yeah, that's the only way. Like humans would really respond. Yeah, okay. It's like the dog keeps getting on the couch and you can't talk to it to stop it. You gotta. You gotta spank it, right? Yeah, you gotta feed it. It's rough. It's nose in it or beat it with the newspaper. Yeah. So the only way the dog inevitably fully, actually will understand, right.

18:59 So, so back in the day when people were right, you know, less, less evolved, less socially capable. Yeah. And so, so when we, when we had this like, emotional and artistic and emotional, psycho renaissance. Right. Kind of coalesced in, in line with the second coming with Jesus, you know, coming. But the coming of Christ. Right?

19:22 Right, right. So, you know, he goes through all this elaborate, you know, explanation as all that that is pretty elaborate. It's like like it. Why couldn't God have just made man with that level of sophistication to begin with? You know, he could have, but but, it really does seem like whatever set this in motion is a huge fan of incremental development and improvement or incremental degradation and death.

19:46 Yeah. So that taking the incremental improvement model, which is exactly what he argues, right? Yeah. Taking that model, he, you know, brings that he says, because that's the that's the ingrained process which would inevitably we're supposed to become stewards of. And I was like, cool. That lines up with a lot of what I believe. But, still doesn't explain all this unnecessary misery.

20:08 Right. But anyway, so I side, side table that for a minute is that this? You know, we're living in some people think that, you know, the misery is growth, that processing that misery, dealing with that misery gets it out of the world and helps you and others who process it grow. There you go. No, I like that.

20:26 So that so that biological machine that is human, you know, human physiology, if you will, is that you can argue that human physiology is a just a is a machine. It's just more analog. It's a biological analog biochemical machine. Right? I tributed, yeah, but it has it has wires, if you will, your nerves and right, you know, it has has a lot of parallels to computer.

20:49 Yeah. There's a lot of analogs to the things that we built. Sure. And, you know, that whole, branch of science where, you know, nature, nature mimicking. Yeah. Biomimicry. Biomimicry, right. Is, you know, there's a there's a chance that, in the computer simulation idea, is that the reason that the computer even took that form was because it did it did biomimicry at some point in the past.

21:16 Okay. So that's why there's so many parallels between the human brain, how human physiology works, and a lot of how computer works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, peripheries. And you have central kind of yeah. Central nervous system processor inputs. Outputs. Right. Yeah. So, you know, there's there's so many parallels but but but then again, it has to be because do you have an input output system of any kind.

21:40 You need to have license for any kind of growth or development or any, any kind of change over time. You need to have an input output system and you need to have actuators. You need to have a means for the thing to interact with the environment, to gain feedback or to make it change. It means necessary. There you go.

21:59 And so it makes sense that the computer would be mimicking, inevitably, some kind of biological structure or the other way around. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So anyway, I think the final nail in the coffin to the idea that we're not living in, like the final, the best argument against that? We're not living in a computer simulation is the nature of reality.

22:21 So, like, in other words, like I kind of said before, this is what it came up with, you know. Yeah. And, that's a that's a huge it's the same compelling argument against all gods and gods, right. Is that how could they have fallen this short in so many ways? Like, I forgot who it was. Some playwright that's famous guy.

22:40 And, I saw a clip from him, and he was, like, talking about this parasitic, fly or worm or something like this that, basically, creates cortical blindness. Morning. It creates cortical blindness in children. In, in foreign countries where there's contaminated water and yada yada. Okay. Right. And he's like what God would create some, some type of horror for a parasite that goes and eats the retina, you know, eats the, you know, the, the optical nerve of a child, right?

23:13 Like, that's a pretty fucking strong argument. I think that, you know, in what, in what universe? You know, in what reality would that be considered something that should be on the table. Right. So there's there's certain degrees of like, yeah, maybe, maybe it is a little more balanced to create an environment, even if it's simulated, that would have some hardship and strife and things you need to overcome.

23:38 But then there's like straight diabolical and very straight straight diabolical shit. And religion, tries to explain the diabolical side by saying foul falls and man, right. Flaws in man, and also an overarching evil that opposes man's best efforts, which would had to have been created by the creator as well. Yeah. So you're back to the same, you know, and so I think that strong argument holds true in this computer simulation idea.

24:05 Right. Because these things exist in this computer simulation. It all just like, you know, just like it doesn't. The God of the world of created by God, you know, so a lot of the strong, compelling arguments that go, that go against, you know, a God that created all this stand through the idea that this is a simulation, right?

24:26 Because you couldn't intrinsically blame the simulated elements inside the machine for problems with the architecture of the machine. Right, right, right. You'd have to blame the architect for the architecture. Yes, yes, basically we will blame we need to blame the architect for the emergent behavior of the system that they created. Yes, yes. And then the whole thing falls through.

24:50 Like then you give up on the idea because there's no way that that could be simulated. Right. But then but then I guess you can make it. You can kind of indict nature. At the same time, you can say, well, nature created these things like these things evolve. Yeah. Right. Well, nature is about, survivability. So to the parent, the parasite eating eyeballs.

25:11 Right, right. There are a lot of eyeballs. Yeah. It's just something that parasite is taking advantage of a, you know, a natural exploit, if you will, and getting in there and causing us havoc and reproducing. And and it exists because it can. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, anything that can procreate will. Right. And and and maybe that's just a tenet of the system and a natural consequence.

25:37 All right. Some of these things didn't work out exactly nicely. But hey, you know, if you create a system that does have emergent behavior, that does have this evolutionary property that, you know, get you to extend it to our computer metaphor, can do metaprogramming modify itself. Right? Which which is virus, which is like, like physical, you know, biological viruses.

26:06 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It can modify itself. DNA, goes awry and mutates and accidentally modifies itself. So the biomass of virus and bacteria far exceeds most organisms on the planet. Yeah. So the meta reprograming, if you will, which is a virus which is a protein, it was a strip of RNA, you know, wrapped in protein. Yeah. Yeah.

26:26 I mean, that's simple. We've got everything from viruses to prions to bacteria that exchange this genetic material. So you have this weird underlying, metaprogramming in biological reality, right? Which is fucking amazing. And another example of metaprogramming is these strains of viruses that, you know, we have right now, how they mutate over time and change, the coronavirus.

26:51 Yeah. Yeah. So like every single human being on the planet is genetically modified organisms. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. It's just like, you know, something thought that maybe the mitochondria, the powerhouse of our cells, came from an extra from an organism that we assimilated into a cell. Yeah, a symbiotic relationship that that just carried forward together. And now, is this incorporated, right?

27:15 Yeah. So, okay, so biology having this meta programing capability and a large amount of the biomass dedicated to living reality, right. Living biology across the world is a metaprogramming thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy to think about that. It is. It's pretty mind blowing. So, I think that's an interesting argument, too, that we're all genetically modified organisms to some extent.

27:40 Right? Right. Like, as if you've ever had, you know, like if you heard this thing, like when a woman has a child, some of the child's DNA gets incorporated into their DNA. I didn't know that. Yeah. It's like, this idea of a chimera, like multiple beings within one being, right? It's kind of all women that have had babies our to some extent, our traumas, their, their actual DNA structure has altered kind of crazy and that weird.

28:08 And everyone talks about how so many changes are permanent after the baby, all these hormonal changes, all these other changes. Yeah. And so then there's like this case that can be made that once, let's say for argument's sake, a guy and a girl are getting along, you know, couples, you know, wrong really well, and they have a baby.

28:24 And all of a sudden she changes. Like the hormones are going to change. There's a possible linkage to DNA or epigenetic changes within the mother. Definitely epigenetic changes how her DNA is expressed. Right? I mean, that explains why she went nuts. You know, so, there's there's a lot of jokes there that I guess we don't need to go, but, you know, it can explain why, you know, a child can be a very unifying thing because it could change, like in the positive direction.

28:51 Yes. You know, I think a lot of the endorphins and hormones do change to invoke those kind of that more bonding, like the positive bonding aspects, but also, you know, sometimes things go awry and you end up with postpartum depression and things of that. So yeah. So that's an interesting kind of element is, is, look at potential hormone changes in somebody post gestation and that are having now problems in their relationship for the first time.

29:15 Yeah. And it's not just, you know, he won't get up in the night to help with the baby. Right. It's not just that. It's like fundamental like their attitude changes are they completely change. And it could have a chemical hormonal link to it. Chemical hormones like that manifest itself as they look at the world differently. They react to things differently.

29:32 Yeah, yeah. So there's there's definitely you know certain medications will do that. And also changes like you can have a certain illness. And I don't mean like the PTSD of the illness. I mean like the illness actually changing your hormones while activating epigenetic different genes. Okay. Right. All of a sudden your mindset starts to change in a lot of shit in your way, you know, and then not to mention the hormones changes as people age, right?

29:56 Right. Yep. So you can go for a low key for example. Yeah. Or whatever. Or the transition to menopause. Yeah. And so person's normal. What's normal for that person changes over time. And then you know how that plays out in their psychology. You know my dad's going through that right now like he always you know a able to.

30:19 He feels like it's brain's basically not working nearly as well. Yeah. And you know, and that's interesting that we can have a sense of that. Yeah. Like, how do you know. Right, right. Like like how do you know that you forgot something that is interesting, but because you have a connected memories that suggests there's a whole. Exactly.

30:39 And also you have vestiges of that memory, like sometimes you're able to, like, sit there and think long enough and follow the associative trail and fill in the blank. That's weird because like, we don't really have a brain to analyze our brain. Right? So it's but it is interesting that there's like there is some functionality where we need a hardware debugger.

30:58 We are a simulation. Okay. I'm giving up, I'm giving up. Give it up.

31:04 I surrender my argument like that. Yeah. That's the great thing about talking, right? It's like, I don't really get repetition right here, but but there is some truth to that, right? Like all morning, there's some real truth there. Like how, you know, talking to somebody and like, trying to trying to put forward a point of view or like, try to talk something out with somebody and all of a sudden, like some light bulbs go on and you're like, wait a minute, I need to rethink it.

31:29 So it's a mind expanding activity and you know, it. It really is a challenge to go out there and pursue. Not necessarily the opposite of the idea you hold, but to let someone openly chat with you. Yeah. There's that. You know, we've talked about this many times with it, guys. So true how liberating it is to be flexible enough to where your ego is not so bruised, so you can have some flexibility in your fucking point of view towards the world, right?

31:54 Yeah. Your worldview is mutable. That's it. Yeah. There's there's some freaking freedom in that, man. There always is that, you know, it is a freeing thing if it lets you feel like things are a little less impactful and, you know, hey, I'm not feeling this is how we figure everything out. I can't necessarily know all, and that's fine.

32:17 And it's liberating because now you're not holding yourself responsible for having to know all. That's it. You know, you let that go with that. Like, yeah, it isn't it isn't like the the main reason for your existence to acquire, assimilate and, you know, use. Yeah. So that, you know, the biological adaptation or Alpha Nation and along with neuroplasticity is like so the idea of that so encouraging.

32:45 So obviously there's like certain things you can't come back from, you know, like lose the limits on the right, but like as far as, like your mental state and your physical state, like we can have a story of both of us could have a stroke and respond completely differently and have different neuroplasticity and earning back those things that we temporarily lose.

33:03 Sure. I guess based on the severity and all the factors of the stroke. Right? Or, you know, it doesn't even need to be that it can just be like a life event. That's major. Yeah. You know, like how you come out of that is really can go any way of that. But, you know, there should be a key function of society is helping people, for sure, like navigate major events, like, for example, our government right now, I think collectively we're going to go around.

33:29 Yeah, I think collectively we've fallen short, really short in, kind of like this post-Covid world. For one, we haven't fixed the goddamn underlying problem, right? Which is, even a bigger problem, you know? Well, yeah, it's continue. It's a continued vulnerability. Right. So why the world hasn't collectively said. But we need to have a cultural shift to stop this from happening.

33:57 Is a huge mystery. It's because I guess you just can't. Collectively, governments don't have that level of coordination for important things. Yeah they don't. And you know, okay, some of the elements that we've identified, the zoonotic, you know transfer it's dependent that's accelerated by wet markets. Right. Yeah. So right. Right. So it's the two. Yeah. That and the gain of function labs and you know but the zoo anodic is definitely the problem.

34:23 Like there's too much interactive biological interaction amongst, you know, animals. Right. And so we have to lessen that. But then that comes down to economic and, food acquisition and, you know, food through desert type ideas, like all economies would see a boon if there was less, resources dedicated to animals, to livestock through. Because, you know, we talked about that before, how, you know, you have to concentrate.

34:51 Someone's gonna need a bath, right? Like you're gonna you're going to have to concentrate tremendous amounts of caloric energy into the animal produce, you know, to get what you want to get out of it, to get the food out of it. Right. Because the creatures, by metabolism is consuming a lot of that energy. The calories, right, are going just to the animal's biology and, metabolic process, keeping it alive until you want to eat it.

35:16 Yeah. And having it grow. Right. Yeah. And so the amount of calories that that thing takes in is tremendous compared to the amount of calories that are in the product of the meat. Right? You know, the the food product of that. So, you know, some people argue that the meat has concentration of nutrients because of the same thing.

35:35 So like you're it's a it's a shortcut to eating less food but more nutrient dense. But and some will say we can give them food that we can't eat that too. Yeah that's a good point. But so but the world hasn't learned that livestock should be at a certain rate at a certain, you know, there should be certain standards with how livestock is kept to prevent disease or not cross infections.

35:57 Yeah, right. That can lead to something like the pandemic. Right. You know, the because it's not the first time right now the swine flu. And this is you know, animal flu. There's there's there's a lot of other, viruses of this same family, the corona type viruses. And yeah, zoonotic transfer is the norm here. Yeah. So the world hasn't learned that.

36:22 We need to have, you know, a majority of what has to be done. The majority of the of the plate should not be animal based proteins. Right. But anyway, let's I digress. So, you know, there's, another kind of indication that, you know, the computer simulation is fucked up. You know, it can't possibly be. But it's really interesting, this, this kind of matrix of biology that, you know, we call, we call reality is, God dang, that's pretty, pretty freaking amazing.

36:55 Yeah. The more you learn about it, I think the more amazing it becomes really, you know, and, in the future will definitely be bioengineering combined with you've heard me say this a million times combined with mechanical overlay, right. You know, computerized integrations and then inevitably, replacements. Yeah, you do. You basically augment in whatever way makes sense. And you have the capability, you know, if if it's easier for you to make the augmentation biologically, you do it there, it's easier for you to make it in hardware.

37:26 Right? You do it there. So like I said, that we're genetically modified organisms just because our all DNA is being subjected to a tremendous amounts of pressure from viruses that literally will rewrite a piece of DNA, right? Yeah. And, other sources, other naturally occurring sources. So every organism on the biological organism on the planet is a genetically modified organism.

37:50 To what extent? Right. Yeah. And the idea is, I guess people would be less opposed to it because it's through these natural processes and we don't see it necessarily. It's all these micro changes that we call a macro change eventually, like the slow evolution of corn from a tiny little plant to something that has a massive ear that we can cultivate.

38:14 Yeah. And so selective breeding of plants leads to those changes. And then the animals that we eat as well have been genetically modified. Oh hell yeah. Right. So on a huge scale now, I mean, we are really putting the effort into that, right? So, you know, the cow isn't supposed to look like, you know, the Hulk, right? You know, it doesn't naturally look like that, you know, but if you've read the big bulky one for generation after generation after generation, you end up with that kind of species.

38:41 And that's just a selective breeding piece. That's just exploiting the, nature. We also now have processes layered on top where it's a little genetically, so literally genetically modified, right? Yeah. And so don't wait on evolution. Right. And so since it's so bastardized anyway or not in a sense, it's already through selective breeding for so many generations. Right.

39:05 Since it's already not natural if you will. Yeah, right. Taking the next step and doing it in the test tube, you're doing it in the lab is really not not really of great significance anymore. I don't think so. So like if all of a sudden, you know. No, no, man, you know, mankind never tinkered with, nature at all.

39:26 And every species that it's out there is just what it is, and it's never. So we never had breeding books for these kinds of horses. We never had. Right, right. You know, we never took the prize heifer and decided we needed more of them, right then all of a sudden pulled it into the lab and started doing all this crazy stuff that might be a little bit different than the fact that we've been doing it.

39:44 You know, kind of, what's the word? More macroscopically. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, so, so basically there's like the protest of the microscopic DNA change versus the macro is, is quite you know, it's not not really an easy argument now, completely editing species like, putting some DNA from a locust inside of a plant or to make a roundup resistant, you know, generally one of the things they had done was, sent a probe to, Venus.

40:14 Right. And they use jellyfish DNA to to make it glow. So be visible, whenever it hit. That's cool. So, they created a mechanical biological experiment that they could see from here through the atmosphere. That's pretty neat, you know, and things like that. Or just gonna, you know, obviously increase in the future, but so, so anyway, back to this, you know, kind of simulation thing.

40:43 I think that in the preponderance you can make the case, you can say, okay, just just like the, just like how planes, you know, as we increase the amount of objects we put in the sky, UFO sightings increase as we get more and more sophisticated computer technology, more and more people are starting to say inside a computer simulation, right?

41:00 Right. So where was that 100 years ago? Well, I think you have to then say, well, 100 years ago, it was just a figment of all the imagination. Yeah. It was, you know, there was no 100 years ago. Relation is just whatever's currently live, right, right. You know, and it fills in all those gaps with, with bullshit.

41:20 Just like ChatGPT. Right. There we go. And then there is always the ambiguity, right? It just fills it in with bullshit. It just does it with confidence. Yes. You know, and so everyone buys it with confidence and bullshit. Now, also, every computer system that would exist would be subject to outside influence. This is my last argument, would be subject to anomalous external influence.

41:43 I mean, even with our crappy computer systems we built, cosmic rays can flip bits inside of RAM network collision or, you know, but but even I'm saying an external influence, like something we cannot see can flip a bit. Yeah. There you go. And so the so the idea that, life wouldn't be constantly filled with these measurable glitches and yet it is because of maybe it is because we keep making the case through.

42:14 I know what I'm saying. Maybe it is. You look at you look at, UV damage, right? Right. Ruining the DNA. Yeah. You know, okay. But that would just be part of the biological itinerary. What? What? I'm saying that if it's simulated and it's an external influence, the damage it it's the same thing as a bit flipping in a computer.

42:36 We that. Yeah. Okay. So that's that's like what's really terrifying, right. Kind of kind of in this model is that when I'm done using my virtual machine, okay. I can just switch that off. I mean I can save it states or. Right. But or make another copy just it's so disposable. Yeah. It's completely irrelevant right through or maybe that's where what we are.

43:00 And so I'm not so ready to face that a possibility. But I've already faced to a large extent that I'm mostly irrelevant. But but I at least can cling to like, some sensibilities of relevancy. Like, I can say my progeny, you know, my like my my children will be not only carrying my my blood, you know, my DNA, but they'll be carrying my ideology.

43:24 Yeah. You know. Yeah. And, so to be a steward of, of of that, you know, parenting is awesome and huge, you know, and, so there's, there's like this intrinsic self-identified purposes. But if all of a sudden I had to reckon with the idea that I'm just, like, can be switched off like that fucking virtual machine.

43:44 I don't, I don't, I don't like it. So I'll find a rational way to say that that's can't be true. And I'm going to 100% agree with you. I don't think it's a simulation. I just don't, but it's fun to talk about it either way. Yeah. Yeah, I, I just, I really all right is ill coordinated as everything is in this reality.

44:05 Like you said, from government to people to whatever. If this is a simulation, it is the dog shit. If.

44:13 Exactly, exactly. Like, come on. We somebody could have done better if they could have architected the machine to create this level of fidelity. Yeah, that's a good word. Right? Then they could have done a goddamn lot better job with the model. Exactly. Like, come on, you know. Yeah. You know, or just like, it's so inconsequential to this, like, major mega supercomputer, right?

44:39 Like this one world is so you running on it? Yeah, I think that it could just. Yeah. And it's it's running in a on a time clock in the computer. That's like an instantaneous cycle, right. Yeah. Yeah. And so pick it up. No reason. Yeah. This computer is going through all types of crazy derivatives like the multiverse idea.

44:57 Oh, right. It's doing so in an iterative cycle, as in, as far as the computer standpoint is of no consequence. It's basically zero research. Yeah. Yeah. It's like spinning up a virtual machine and but a virtual machine that's using, you know, a half a percent of the resources or something. Yeah. Not even, you know. Yeah. And the internal clock of the simulation.

45:19 Right. Experience within the simulation is a certain it seems like longevity to the, to the, artificial entities inside the simulation. Right. But to the computer, it's like just a cycle, right. Like, yeah, it's nothing. It's just yet one another iteration, thereby explaining the finiteness of time. Right. And the arrow of time forever moving forward. Yeah. Explains it because it then it has to create its computing cycle.

45:43 So. Right. So it has to since it's, since it's computers I mean, this neatly takes care of the idea of going from order to chaos, of going from, you know, a particular ordered state to what we have in this model, what we have in the next moment, you know? Yeah, there's just so many layers of unnecessary and strange nonsense that would been added then that, you know, to start to explain away would just be so like, okay, so so I described this before, but this is a good idea for this simulation.

46:15 Right. So you can imagine this, morning. You can imagine, you can imagine this, like back in the day, you know, before you had like, cities that were all lit up and light pollution, all the whole world, you can imagine, like the sky looking completely different, right? Yeah. Without light pollution. Right. So to actually see it.

46:35 Yeah. I mean, the, the Mayans. Yeah. Remember I told you about that? What, like the Mayan temple with the flat top, with the water pool. And they make the put the sticks to arrange to align, because I was going to talk about another aspect of it. So there's like this theory that the, Mayan priests, you know, of course, the stars were the heavens.

46:57 Sure. And so what they would do is they would have the, the water bearers lug up to the top of the pyramid, where it was flattened at the top, flat step pyramid with the flat top on it. And they would have this, like, pool, basically like a, like a wading pool. Okay. And they pour the water in there and, you know, it was the water would become perfectly still.

47:20 Right. So it'd be like a mirror. Oh. And what they do is they track and monitor the stars positionally from the two dimensional point of looking at this mirror they created, by looking at the mirror and seeing the stars reflect, but then they can also scan at different points and put sticks in the, in the, in the holes and then use the angles to measure different things.

47:39 That's awesome. Right off of the, the star table if you want to. It really neat. I didn't you may have told me about that, I don't remember, but what I was going to what I was going to talk about was way simpler. Just the fact that they had enough celestial light coming down the thing embedded in their roads, shiny things like this.

48:01 A mica, mica. And it went up the road. So literally it was enough luminance from the heavens to navigate the road. Yeah. Stay on the road. Right? Yeah. Totally cool. Right? Yeah. And so. So this computer simulation idea, you've created this reality where our ancestors could have experienced this wonder of the heavens, like seeing the Milky Way. If you.

48:23 All right. And then only to have the simulation over time create light pollution to where if the common person can't just look them in the sky anymore and see, like, yeah, maybe like, okay, we need more processing power directed to this. So as civilization emerges, the processing power has to go towards the more sophisticated things like the computers inside the computer.

48:44 Yeah. Oh, we're getting into inception again. There. Like, what layer do we break out of? Oh my God. We break out of one layer into another and then it just seems endless, right? Yep. I mean, it's always been you could always be one more dream it. Right. And, you know, that's the things that. So people like M.C. Escher explored, you know, that that meta, that world inside the world and just the infinite nesting.

49:12 Yeah, sure. So so the heavens would be equally as chargeable, like a fractal right there. The heavens themselves mirrored mirror the the micro. So like the macro of the universe mirrors the micro. So but they're really just one and the same. It's just a fractal. So like, as we look to the idea of the atom is that the nucleus is this tiny, right?

49:35 Like, well, this huge space between that and the electrons. Yeah. And what we're ultimately saying is you're bringing up the idea of recursion. You're bringing up the idea of, you know, iterating a process, running and iterating and and multiplying and creating and the emergent behavior of doing the same thing over and over again. But having founding values.

49:57 Yes. If you stop. Yeah. If you're Ant-Man and you went to the micron level. Micron level, right. Atoms would look like the universe. Yeah. Right. So there's your fractal model. And so the computer could recycle the same formulas. Right? Right. For both the macro and the micro I'm making a huge case for that. We're live in a computer.

50:17 Right, right. Okay. So the computer could, could use the same template if you will. Yeah. For for math for modeling the macro. Right. They make some slight changes for the for what you need for quantum physics, you know. But yeah, but it's same basic idea and template. Yeah. I mean, you could, you could zoom out enough to where the entire Milky Way just looks like a single point.

50:38 Right. And then you can zoom in to some kind of close proximity to the Milky Way and see most of the distance. And that's the really cool element. We haven't been able to create anything that challenges the fidelity available. Not even close. Right? Right. Yeah. Not even close. Because at this scale, you know, we can't go into the micro or the macro, right?

50:59 So we're in this, you know, but it doesn't matter. You can just say then this this level or this scale is just another proximity is just another part of the scale, like the fractal doesn't really matter where you are, right? Right. Like it doesn't matter if you go in or out. It's the same thing, you know, endlessly, right?

51:18 Which is weird, you know? Is it endless or is it loopy? And it's hard to say, like, it seems endless, but it also seems looping and maybe, you know, it's like since we do both things in our computer world, maybe it does, but then, yeah, so do you really have infinity? If you have a square plane or rectangular plane of some kind, and if you go out one side of that plane, you just reemerge on the other side of that plane, the opposite.

51:43 Right? Right. We're talking about asteroids. The idea of the infinity pool that has the edge but appears infinite. Yeah. Well, in this case, you know, if you were on board the asteroid spaceship. Yeah. You know, in the 2D world, and you, you would, you would absolutely think from, for all intents and purposes, that it was an endless plane.

52:03 Right? Because you'd go out one side and come back in the other, unless you recognized that the objects were going in one side, not the other. Have you read flatland? No. Is has these ideas so flatland by Edwin Abbott Abbott. He, nice recursive name, right? He, He has the same birthday as myself. December 20th. Right.

52:27 But there's Abbott. Abbott evidence. Right. December 20th. Your birthday. Yeah. Nice to do something cool. She's got some vacation time, and I'll be off, so let's do something. Yeah, man. So basically, it is a story in the Victorian age, written in the Victorian age, trying to communicate to the elite, the social elite and intellectual elites the concept of multiple dimensions.

52:56 And it starts with today. Okay. As it always does seem to and the idea is there's these the more sides you have in this society, the more elite you are. Right then. A square. Yeah. Yeah, it's visited by a sphere. Gotcha. And in their 2D world, they can only see a slice of the sphere.

53:24 Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, but, the sphere tells them of these other dimensions, and the square is compelled to topple, in society and try to, you know, in a Galileo sort of way, say, hey, you guys are wrong. Gotcha. And, this story goes from there. Cool. Man. Well, remember I went on that rant that day and we were walking down town on our way back about the different dimensions I think should really be.

54:01 Remember that. Like, so I think that, you know, the first dimensions time, the second dimension is place. So we have the idea of wrong where we go point line plane. Okay. You know, and then, you know, three, four, five dimension, whatever. I think we have it way wrong. I think the first dimension is is time because you have to have a temporal, location your your place in time.

54:25 So temporal, the temporal location anchors everything else. Temporal is number one, second dimension, if you want to call that, even a dimension. But the second dimension would be place position, three dimensional position. Okay. So x, y, z and time is the fourth or it was traditionally the fourth. Yeah. Instead of saying x x is one dimension, y is another, Z is another.

54:45 Right? No. Those so they are collective. Yeah. Right. Because we don't really separate one from the other. So let's take the attraction of saying time is one dimension. Absolute 3D position is another. Correct. That would be dimension number two. Okay. And then and then your third dimension after that, if you even, have a need to necessitate a third dimension would be, causal proximity like causal interaction is the thing.

55:10 Oh that's neat. That's something we never really talk about. Where are you in the flow of things. And then that brings you to like a data flow processing model for the world. Right. So so it's like basically time then then point or position. Right. And then from there state is the third dimension in my model. Yeah. Yeah it's state but in context state in context with all that's happening around it has to be right.

55:35 Right. Because everything, every dimension prior is in necessity for is a requirement for the next dimension. Right. So you have to have time in place to identify a particle or anything. Right? Right. And then you have state which is the final, you know, necessary to understand any particular thing. I like this abstraction. Right. And so when you start to model the world of the universe on that and that system, I think a lot starts to shape up pretty clearly.

56:04 Dude. Now people have been surprised about the things we talked about before. I think we you fucking mind blowing today. Yeah, yeah. I love the idea that, you know, that where the. You said it, you said it yesterday I was laughing for. I was laughing for quite some time about it. What is that? Were the failed science experiment of a truly intelligent species.

56:27 Like the child, the retarded child at the science fair? Oh, yeah. Some truly intelligent species. Clever, retarded, retarded. Yeah. Everything we are and that we think and know and have manifested is just a the dumbass experiment of all the name. Clever idea, clever alone. That's a great name. That's a great name for a retarded alien or retarded alien.

56:52 God, I love it, you know, and to the to the, bacteria in the petri dish, right? Yeah. So the fact you're in the petri dish. Yeah. What the hell? The. Peter, this is the world. Yeah, yeah. In the end, we, the nutrient medium, the agar agar is the, right is the domain, or if you will, and then the grain of penicillin on the outside is the boundary.

57:20 Yeah. You're blind, so you have no, you know, there's the bacteria is blind, therefore has no, no awareness of any kind of, you know, it just knows its current position. Yeah. And its current environment in to say it even knows that is. Yeah, hard to say. Yeah. It's it's just it is. Right. So even with some massive degree of, comparative sophistication.

57:45 Right. You can you can just as easily have some container you could and, and right now it's the Earth, right? Yeah. And the, I don't know what to say. The, ring of penicillin is in our world, but there's got to be that limitation. Yes, yes. Well, for all of human history, everything human beings have ever known is the court system of the earth.

58:13 And for all intents and purposes, Earth is still a closed system. Yeah, yeah, we can send probes and people to foreign bodies, but to celestial bodies. But you know, we're not just like teleporting to planet X, right? Right. Yeah. Good point. We still have, even with all the current technology, despite Elon Musk's best intentions, you know, we we still have a, quite a quite a limited.

58:43 I don't know what you call it. Influential existence. Yeah. Yeah. The our impacts are, And human standpoint may contains is pretty non-existent. And given that reality, human beings as a matter of ethical priority, should be putting a lot greater emphasis on stewardship of the world. Right? Because, who was it? What's the name? Buckminster Fuller.

59:14 Right. Great scientist. If I had to pick top five people, that might be an alien. That guy. Yeah. And, he came up with this idea of space ship Earth, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that's it. And and I mean, it's it's, by and large cruise ship. Yeah. This that's what is shaping up to be right.

59:38 And I'm ready for some walls, man, because I want to start seeing these streets get more clean by robots. Ooh, here we go. I was always talking to for, like, an hour the other day about how we can make that in that. That I feel like is an application that I, at our level, is ready for clean up some fucking trash.

59:55 I don't want to have it to where kids can play the video game of the trash bot. So you gamify it, gamified and then, you know, leaderboard leaderboards and all this kind of stuff and the stuff that it collects, it all counts for its community service hours for the kids. Ooh. So the parents would be, you know, very much wanting their kids to get on that.

1:00:13 Yeah, yeah. And, you know, you can imagine they do a great job controlling the arm on the robot, right? Remotely. So the Xbox making that Xbox game. Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. And you could even have kids who were more interested in the physical, mechanical side of it go out and repair these things as group. That's cool idea.

1:00:34 Spin up a whole community around this idea. Yeah. And, you know, we got ontologies like, you know, kind of naysayers, naysaying a whole bunch of things really quickly. Like, for example, you know, the kids taking it, driving the robot over to your friend's house and screwing it up in their front yard or driving it out in the traffic and chaos chasing animals and people with the robot, you know?

1:00:54 So we we came up with, like, the chaos. But, you know, if there's a way to stop that, you know. Right. I mean, there's always a chaos factor in anything. You give somebody an automobile, right? I mean, what could you do with an automobile? Why? You know, just look at everything that people have done with them, right? Weaponize the hell out of me.

1:01:11 Yeah. So you'd have to have, like, start to start this whole thing off with, like, certified, drivers, you know, for these things. Yeah. And maybe, you know, a demerit system, or something like that. Some sort of punishment or social thing that would keep you from doing it for real. I love the fact that we would talk about why we're not in a computer simulation, and came up with all these creative ideas and how we are, and one and I'd say our ideas were pretty decent.

1:01:39 I like it.