0:00 All right. So today we're supposed to have a continuation of the topic about whether or not we live in a computer simulation. Yeah. And I said I was going to say your argument. Say why? I think the answer is no. Yeah. All right. And, I'll start with the idea that, like, UFO sightings. So, okay, as humans started to have more and more aircraft, the number of UFO reported were directly correlated.

0:28 Right. All right. So, you know, of course, there's natural weather phenomenon that's going to create all kinds of optical illusions and mirages and whatever the gas pockets supposedly such as that. Yeah. And there's strings. Will wisp they call them. Yeah. There's these apparently these strange things like lightning balls. Oh, okay. Like I should not. I actually saw one roll into the house over over the power line.

0:53 Really? Okay. I was sitting there with my grandpa. Sober. Yes. Okay. I was like, well. Or 13. Wait wait wait. Sober for multiple days. Yeah. Yeah, I was quite a 13. I hadn't touched a drop. Yeah. So your parents were helping you fall asleep right now? Okay, okay. This wasn't my parents house. Was my grandparents house. All right.

1:13 And, my grandpa and I were sitting there talking. We were, Sorry. I don't mean that tree with that tree right there legit has a dick. It does. Right. Like that's that. Sorry. You're saying take a picture of it? Yeah. We should take a picture. That should go. Yeah, that should probably be a, That's very unusual.

1:34 That thing. That tree is like, voyeuristic looking in that window. There must be like a hot plant inside or something. I will someday one of these days. From what I understand those things go for like big dollars to, for making furniture and stuff. Really? Yeah. Whenever they've got the weird. Yeah. When they have those. There's there's a word for it.

1:55 I thought it was like a moral or. I thought it was called a canker, but it's called something else. Okay. Okay. It's a, you know, when a tree has a growth like that, the actual, like, internal, like the way that the grain looks inside is, like, really unique. How are these? Looks great. Okay. It's in through to you.

2:15 So, Yeah, that thing is just waiting to grow some balls. Yeah. I already have them. They haven't dropped yet. Dude. On this side. They're not. It's a tree. It can do whatever it wants.

2:29 It's just got to connect the xylem and flowing to get it right. Yeah. The the tree is like, you know what? Where the dominant species on the planet and biomass. And we've been here for billions of years. Yeah. So we do what we want. Yeah. Anyway, so, supposedly the the internal grain of those, you know, make furniture and stuff.

2:46 I was quite, quite amazing. So they, they sell for. Yeah. That could be like a, I don't know, $800 penis or something.

2:55 Yeah, that's, like, more than you'd have to spend on Etsy. Wow. But anyway, so, you're you're you're saying this ball waiting again. So I was sitting there, it was, like, really late, and, my grandpa and I were talking this. Okay, the skip was rolling, which means that solar flares are affecting the atmosphere. Oh, okay. And that's what that means.

3:18 Yeah. I've never heard that before. Basically, when solar flares are exciting the ionosphere and you can, you know, bounce signals off a bit and go farther. Okay. So we were talking about that, and he had his hammer out. Oh, man. Yeah, we were seeing who we could get Ahold of. Gotcha. And we had just gotten to Cuba from Kentucky.

3:41 Cool. And, you know, so we got the guy to agree to send us. I think it's called a shell card. And so basically, he would send us a postcard that said, hey, this is this, you know, ham radio license from Cuba. Oh. So, like, when you connect with somebody, you send in the mail. Like a calling card from your station?

4:04 Yeah. That's a that's cool. And you, like, collect those over time for something like that. That's cool. Well, you had hundreds and hundreds of it. Yeah. That's cool. And, so we were doing that, and then all the sudden you over the line that we were hooked up to, it killed his hand rig and everything. This ball of electricity rolls in and goes across the floor and dissipate.

4:28 So weird. So was it. Was it maybe like these phenomenon combined, like the solar flare thing combined with, like, you know, charged particles in the air with broadcasting on some type of energetic frequency. Could be all these things combined created crazy. Yeah. So what was your reaction to that? Oh, I was freaking out, right? I mean, I was like, I'm not sitting near that anymore.

4:53 And he's like, well, he goes, lets him plug everything, but he just comment about it. Yeah. So he wasn't freaking out. You know, I was going nuts. I was 12 or 13. It was like magic at this point. Yeah. And I just didn't know what was happening. He's like he goes. He goes, I've never seen it before either, but I've heard about it.

5:11 But because it's natural, it's okay. All right then. And he's like, let's just go ahead and check everything major in the house and see if it blew de thing out. And let's look at the, So we went and looked at the record box. We went looked at everything. I didn't want to have on a video, man. Right.

5:31 That would have been crazy to see this. Like there's probably someone's got video, but somewhere that has to be. Now now I got to go check out ball lightning videos. Yeah, but because, But what a spectacle that must have been. It was nuts. And and so it moved with, like, trackable pace. Like. So it did move so fast.

5:49 Like, it wasn't like a lightning strike. No. It's like it rolled in, literally led, literally rolled in on the line. So weird. Like it was for a secondary. It was along the wire that was up to the wall. And then it kind of rolled into the floor. So crazy. What? So why do you think it wouldn't? Why would it?

6:05 Why wouldn't it have like, a super rapid pace? Why might it be like, kind of, you know, human speed, like. Yeah. Why? I don't know, I don't know why it wasn't so quick. I couldn't see it is what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, because you can barely catch a lightning strike. So it's almost like, you know, what's that thing that you see in the mad science lab?

6:23 The, like the Tesla coil? This thing is like, oh, Jacob's ladder. Jacob ladder. Right. So, so it might have been along those principles like it was following some, you know, some the path of least resistance and or. Yeah. But you know, now it makes me wonder why the Jacob's Ladder goes that at a, you know, kind of visible pace.

6:43 Not right. You know, why does the Jacob's ladder like I guess it has to build up charge. So maybe that's it. Maybe maybe that this thing built up the charge along the wire. And that's why it wasn't, like, crazy fast. Yeah. Well, then what is that?

7:03 Is that a walk rocking mechanism? No, it looks like a looks like a, an e sig or something. Yeah, it could be. It says elf bar v6 5000. Maybe this is a battery pack because it's still blinking.

7:19 Weird. It looks like somebody ran over it by accident. Oh, is it like a portable? No, that's definitely like where you suck at. Okay. Yep. And then there's the charging port. Yeah. So that was somebody E.

7:34 Somebody like somebody cracked e-cigarette. Weird. We're seeing all kinds of things. So, Okay, I kind of get it that that that must have been crazy awesome to see. Yeah, it was weird. But it was fun. And then. And that's why I brought up all those things. I feel like they contributed to the situation, you know? Yeah.

7:56 For sure. So there you go. So you have these, like, weird natural phenomenon, okay, that people are going to witness. And then you have a more interconnected world. So like when people see these phenomena, they can report it more readily. Right. It's like there's telephones and there's, you know, and there's a certain immediacy to it. Yes. And now today, you even have like, you know, I can capture this on, on video, you know, some, some atmospheric or strange flying thing that, you know, catches your fancy.

8:22 Yeah. So interestingly, the number of, like I said, the number of reports of UFOs and strange things that people have seen have gone up proportionately with technology, more technology, people put up in the sky, right? Weather balloons, airplanes, etc. the more people to do a photo. Right? Right? Right. Things they can't identify. Really? Right. And so, you know, to give aliens the credit for that, it's kind of kind of sad.

8:48 Like why, why, why falsely give aliens credit for all these extra UFOs? Really? The evidence suggests it's it's people are doing it. Right. So so humans should get more of the credit for the UFO. But anyway. So, I'm leading to why this evidence is a, you know, leading in the direction of why we're not living in a computer simulation.

9:08 Right? So talk about living inside of computer simulation requires the necessity to have computers like so to even think about. Get it into your imagination at some point. Right. That we live in a computer simulation, you have to have the computers have to exist, or at least be in the imagination of people. Yeah. To imagine that there's a machine that could create a simulated environment to begin with.

9:32 Right? Right. So you roll back 200 years ago and there's no such thing. Right? So so you go back to the literature from 200 years ago. And sure, there's stuff about metaphysics that we might live in some kind of, you know, we're butterfly imagining where a person, you know, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. But there was no zero talk about living inside of computer simulation because computers didn't exist yet.

9:52 Yeah. The earliest thing I've heard of as far as the computer simulation argument, and I'm not insanely well versed in this, somebody might be able to come up with something else. The Boltzmann's brain, scenario. Where's. Okay. Go ahead. More likely that a brain would evolve out of the nothingness of the universe and be there intact, with memories and experience.

10:15 Then we would come about. But why? Who would come? Why would someone deduce that that rationality is a thought experiment that some guy did in the 30s? Oh, okay. It's not an experiment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. For enough. Well, so thought experiments do dream up things like, you know, we could just be in a dream state, perpetual dream state and all types of different explanations for reality besides reality.

10:40 Yeah, yeah, but it's just really running the. It was like back to the napkin, running some statistics, you know, and the guys like, hey, all these things coming together, this confluence of things is highly unlikely. It'd be more likely this other thing happened. So people are using the Bose Hicks and they're using the quantum entanglement and they're using the God particle and all this, you know, the saying this all this stuff and they're they're using this to then say, oh, you can see based on the quantum state that this is a sign that it's a hyper velocity computer, which has limitations.

11:11 That's why the speed of light exists as a limitation, because the computing speed has to have some kind of limitation. So the universal constant. So they're saying hey, it runs on some sort of substrate that's got pickle limits. Yeah. And it's really creative and imaginative. All these things that people are tying into this idea that we live in a computer simulation and they're using all this like latest science and, you know, these recent discoveries in physics and, you know, etc., to tie into a theory.

11:37 But I think that the kind of elephant in the room is that this has been done over and over in all different kinds of domains, and none of them have stuck. Yeah. And so imagine this too, like it's the same argument against the idea of a creator of the universe. You start with the premise, you know, the, sixth grader I easily can point out, well, who created God, you know.

12:02 Right. And so we're living inside of a computer simulation, inside of Peter simulation, inside of a computer simulation. Right? You get into this inception layers that pull back and you just have to say, well, then who created that? Right. And and why? And then the best, most compelling argument I've ever heard against the idea of a God is that the creator of the universe.

12:22 This is the best they could do. And the same would be true for the computer simulation. Like this is the best that the computer like you have. This is the highest fidelity. This is the highest. This is the best result. Yeah I know the fidelity is amazing, right. But the but the way it plays out like like this is the best.

12:42 They kind of touched upon this in The Matrix right. How they were the facts. Well the first reality was too good. Yeah. And the human mind couldn't couldn't comprehend or couldn't just drive it insane. Yeah. It couldn't deal with like no trauma in the world. So it had to create this, like, shitty world, right? For for people's mind.

13:00 So it's like a huge thing on human nature is what that was, right? Like, well, I mean, you look at the situation that human nature evolved in, assuming the base world was not a simulation and the trauma and, and chaos and, and all of that. Of course, we needed the same thing. We were we evolved in. Yeah. And so okay.

13:23 And then if you're inside of a computer simulation at this point, there would be one of two ways. It'd be like the matrix where your brain, your organic brain is hooked up to some computer and that's where it's getting all the simulation. Right. Or the whole thing is just simulating itself. Like the whole entire thing is just a figment of simulated reality.

13:40 Yeah, right. So you're just in memory, you know, basically. Right. And your consciousness is just in your sentience, just all words that really are just loose, loosely definable words, right? Yeah. I mean, you know, we only have so much personal insight and introspection. We we can only peer so far into the machinations of what it is to be a conscious human being.

14:04 So and so we have is we have a biological layer then inside simulated inside the, the mechanical layer. That would be completely unnecessary. So, you know, in other words, like imagine this thing that's completely in simulation, completely in computer memory. What whatever the functional equivalent of some sophisticated, you know, machine, you know, as created, this manifested this reality and it creates a biological machine inside the mechanical machine.

14:29 Right, right, right. It's it's it's running. It's basically a hypervisor for this biological machine. Yeah. It's a virtual machine running a biological machine. Right. Yeah. Not in physical reality, but in simulation. Right. So like when we study ourselves and our brain and, you know, anatomy and all that kind of stuff, that would just be a figment of the simulation, right?

14:50 Whatever. Whatever was available from the simulation, a 100% completely unnecessary step if you think about it. Because now you've you've made this, this material separation for no reason. Like so in other words, like the simulated being could be just a computer. Maybe it's like this. Maybe the simulation we're in is like a stepping stone to something that where less is emulated, like, okay, we have the idea of containers which are like lightweight virtualized hardware, right?

15:25 Not as much hardware as virtualized. Okay. So human biology and human is just a container that limits. So it makes it easier on the simulation. Yeah. So this is easier to simulate. We're starting to prove that the simulation is real. This is backwards. Wait a minute. No but that's okay. So that would actually be a great explanation. Good thinking I like that.

15:46 So that that's actually is somewhat of an explanation as to why you would have some kind of matrix. You're not like the matrix movie, but some kind of fundamental, framework by which you simulate the being age. Yeah. Are you done?

16:03 And so the you know, that that's just as good as any other issue, right? So yeah, that all things being equal, it's just another thought of fear me. Yep. So evidence. Yeah it's really interesting to that. The okay. So you think in the simulated environment there'd be certain things that would hold true. So like one you wouldn't waste resources on blanks like, so you wouldn't waste resources on nulls or otherwise.

16:31 I guess we'll turn around and let it out so you you wouldn't waste. You wouldn't waste computing resources. You wouldn't waste effort on mysterious mysteries from the past. So, like, for example, you wouldn't have human history would be more clear cut, right? Right, right. You wouldn't. You wouldn't have to have an you wouldn't need this ambiguity could endlessly dive into.

16:52 Right. Because it would serve no functional purpose unless, you know, it's just limited by my imagination, which which of course, the whole entire we're not living in a simulation argument could just be defeated by saying you just lack the imagination. Well, it could also be maybe human history isn't as clear cut because it's an advantage to be nebulous and ill define, because slowly entropy is taking the data.

17:15 Slowly the data is the grading of the past. So even even the the incredibly sophisticated supercomputer that's making the simulation for us all still suffers from bit rot and all the classic problems, right? Yeah. But again, that's imposing our own limitations on it. So, so pretty much every kind of aspect that we come up with, we could, we could, we could use it as a plus or minus for or against the computer simulation argument.

17:38 Right. Yeah. So here we are back to the same thing is that I have this a friend of mine, Mark, that I've known for years and years and years, and he's a hella Christian. Like, that's why I have the right word to put in front of the word Christian. He's a die hard, you know? Yeah, really hard core Christian.

17:56 Thoroughly invested, thoroughly invested. But he's not dumbass. And so he's not just like, blind faith kind of guy. Yeah. And a lot of the cool arguments that I've ever heard for Christianity have come from this guy. That's awesome. And, he definitely doesn't lack imagination. Good. He says he says things like, well, the New Testament is a new is a new contract.

18:16 It's a new covenant with God, new covenant with God. And, you know, that explains why the Old Testament is replaced by the new. And people lacked a certain amount of spiritual and, psychological and civil, sophistication back in the day. And so, I guess in their more primitive morning, in man's more primitive state, the Iron Fist, kind of the only way to do it.

18:44 Yeah, that's the only way, like, humans would really respond, you know. Okay. It's like the dog keeps getting on the couch and you can't talk to it to stop it. You gotta. You gotta spank it, right? Yeah. You got to beat it. Roberts nose in it or beat it with the newspaper. Yeah. It's the only way the dog inevitably, fully, actually will understand, right.

18:59 So. Damn. So back in the day when people were right, you know, less, less evolved, less socially capable. Yeah. And so, so when we, when, when we had this like, emotional and artistic and emotional psycho renaissance. Right. Kind of coalesced in line with the second coming of Jesus, you know what I'm saying? Coming. But the coming of Christ.

19:21 Right? Right, right. So, you know, he goes through all this elaborate, you know, explanation I saw that was pretty elaborate. It's like, I like it. Why couldn't God have just made man with that level of sophistication to begin with? You know, we could have, but but it really does seem like whatever set this in motion is a huge fan of incremental development and improvement or or incremental degradation and death.

19:46 Yeah. So the taking the incremental improvement model, which is exactly what he argues. Right? Yeah. Taking that model, he, you know, brings that he says because that's the that's the ingrained process which would inevitably we're supposed to be some stewards of. And I was like, oh, that lines up with a lot of what I believe. But so doesn't explain all this unnecessary misery.

20:08 Right. But anyway, I side, side table that for a minute is that this, you know, we're living in people think that, you know, the misery is growth, that processing that misery, dealing with that misery gets it out of the world and helps you and others who process it grow. There you go. No, I like that. So the so the biological machine that is human, you know, human physiology, if you will, is that you could argue that human physiology is a just a is a machine.

20:36 It's just more analog. It's a biological analog biochemical machine. Right. Hi, Lewis. Yeah, but it has it has wires, if you will, your nerves. And, you know, it has, has a lot of parallels to computer. Yeah. There's a lot of analogs through the things that we've built. Sure. And, you know, that whole branch of science where, you know, nature.

20:58 Nature mimicking. Yeah. Biomimicry. Right. Is, you know, there's a there's a chance that, in the computer simulation idea, is that the reason that the computer even took that form was because it did it did biomimicry at some point in the past. Okay. So that's why there's so many parallels between the human brain, how human physiology works, and a lot of how computer works.

21:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, peripheries. And you have central kind of. Yeah. Central nervous system inputs. Outputs. Yeah. So, you know, there's there's so many parallels but but but then again, it has to be because do you have an input output system of any kind you need to have like for any kind of growth or development or any, any kind of change over time, you need to have an input output system and you need to have actuators.

21:50 You need to have a means for the thing to interact with the environment, to gain feedback or to make it change. It means necessary. There you go. And so it makes sense that the computer would be mimicking, inevitably, some kind of biological structure or the other way around. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So anyway, I think the final nail in the coffin to the idea that we're not living in a like the, the final, the best argument against that we're not living in a computer simulation is the nature of reality.

22:21 So, like, in other words, like I kind of said before, this is what it came up with. You know. Yeah. And that's a, that's a huge it's the same compelling argument against all gods and gods, right. Is that how could they have fallen this short in so many ways? Like, I forgot who it was. It's some playwright that's famous guy, and I saw a clip from him, and he was like, talking about this parasitic, fly or worm or something like this that basically creates cortical blindness.

22:51 Morning. They creates cortical blindness in children. In, in foreign countries where there's contaminated water. And yet they got it. Okay. Right. And he's like what God would create some, some type of horror. Like for a parasite that goes and eats the retina, you know, eats the, you know, the, the optical nerve of a child, right? Like, that's a pretty fucking strong argument.

23:16 I, I, I think that, you know, in what, in what universe. You know, in what reality would that be considered something that should be on the table. Like, so there's, there's certain degrees of like, yeah, maybe, maybe it is a little more balanced to create an environment, even if it's simulated, that would have some hardship and strife and things that need to overcome.

23:38 But then there's like straight diabolical. It is very straight, straight diabolical in religion, tries to explain the diabolical sides by saying salvage flaws in man, right? Flaws in man, and also an overarching evil that opposes man's best efforts, which would have to have been created by the creator as well. Yeah. So you're back to the same, you know, and so I think that strong argument holds true in this simulation idea.

24:05 Right? Because these things exist in this computer simulation, all just like, you know, just like it does in the God of the world of created by God, you know, so a lot of the strong, compelling arguments that go, that go against, you know, a God that created all this stand true with the idea that this is simulated. Right?

24:25 Because because you couldn't intrinsically blame the simulated elements inside the machine for problems with the architecture of the machine. Right, right, right. You have to blame the architect for the architecture. Yes, yes. Basically, we're we're playing. We need to blame the architect for the emergent behavior of the system that they created. Yes, yes. And then the whole thing falls through.

24:50 Like, then you give up on the idea because there's no way that that could be simulated, right? But then. But then I guess you could make it. You can kind of indict nature. At the same time, you can say, well, nature created these things. Like these things evolved. Yes. Well, nature is about, survivability. So to the, the parasite eating eyeballs.

25:11 Right, right. There are a lot of eyeballs. Yeah, it's just something a parasite is taking advantage of a, you know, a natural exploit, if you will, and getting in there and causing havoc and reproducing. And and it exists because it can. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that can procreate. Will. Right. And and maybe that's just a tenant of a system and hey natural consequence.

25:37 All right. Some of these things didn't work out exactly nicely. But hey, you know, if you create a system that does have emergent behavior, that does have this evolutionary property that, you know, get you to extend it to our computing metaphor, can do metaprogramming modify itself, right? Because which is virus, which is like, like physical, you know, biological viruses.

26:06 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It can modify itself. DNA goes awry and mutates and accidentally modifies itself. So the biomass of virus and bacteria far exceeds most organisms on the planet. Yeah. So the meta reprograming, if you will, which is a virus, which is a protein which is strip of RNA, you know, wrapped in protein. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's simple.

26:27 We've got everything from viruses to prions to bacteria that exchange this genetic material. So you have this weird underlying metaprogramming in biological reality, right? Which is fucking amazing. And another example of metaprogramming is the strains of viruses that, you know, we have right now, how they mutate over time and change, the coronavirus. Yep, yep. So, like, every single human being on the planet is genetically modified organism.

26:57 Yeah, right. Absolutely. It's just like, you know, something that maybe the mitochondria, the powerhouse of ourselves, came from an extra, from an organism that we assimilated into a cell. Yeah. Symbiotic relationship that that just carried forward together. And now, is this incorporated, right. Yeah. So okay, so bio biology, having this metaprogramming capability and a large amount of the biomass dedicated to living reality, right.

27:27 Living biology across the world is a metaprogramming thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy to think about that. It is. It's pretty mind blowing. So, I think that's an interesting argument to that. We're all genetically modified organisms to some extent. Right? Right. Like if you've ever had, you know, like if you ever heard this thing, like when a woman has a child, some of the child's DNA gets incorporated into their DNA.

27:50 I didn't know that. Yeah. It's like, this idea of the camera, like multiple beings within one being, right? Kind of all women that have had babies to some extent. Archimedes. They're they're they're actual DNA structure has altered crazy and that weird. And everyone talks about how so many changes are permanent after the baby. All he changes all these other changes.

28:13 Yeah. And so then there's like this case that can be made that once, let's say for argument's sake, a guy and a girl are getting along. You know, a couple's getting really well and they have a baby. And all of a sudden she changes, like the hormones are going to change. There's a possible linkage to a or epigenetic changes within the mother.

28:31 Definitely epigenetic changes. Howard Express. Right? I mean, that explains why she went nuts, you know, so, there's there's a lot of jokes there that I guess we don't need to go, but but, you know, it could explain why, you know, a child can be a very unifying thing because it could change, like in the positive direction.

28:52 You know, I think a lot of the Dauphin's and hormones do change to invoke those kind of the more bonding feel, the positive bonding aspects. But also, you know, sometimes things go awry and unit with postpartum depression and things of that ilk. Yeah. So that's an interesting kind of element is, look at potential hormone changes in somebody's post gestation and that are having now problems in their relationship for the first time.

29:15 Yeah. And it's not just, you know, he won't get up in the night to help with the Fabi bros. Not just that. It's like fundamental like their attitude towards each other exclusively change and instead have a chemical hormone. It's this. Yeah, chemical hormone link that manifests itself as they look at the world differently. They react to things differently.

29:32 Yeah. Yeah. So there's there's definitely, you know, certain medications will do that. And also changes like you can have a certain illness. They don't mean like the PTSD of the illness. I mean like the illness actually changing your hormones while activating epigenetics. Different genes okay. Right. All of a sudden your mindset starts to change. And a lot of shit when you're watching, you know?

29:52 And then not to mention the hormones changes as people age, right? Yeah. Yep. So you can go through low g or whatever or the transition to menopause. Yeah. And so person's normal what's normal for that person changes over time. And then you know how that plays out in their psychology. And my dad's going through that right now. Like he's always you know and able to.

30:19 He felt like his volumes basically not working nearly as well. Yeah. And you know and that's interesting that we can have a sense of that. Yeah. Like how do you know. Right, right. Like like how do you know that you forgot something that isn't that interesting, but because you have a connected memories that suggests there's a whole. Exactly.

30:39 And also you have vestiges of that memory, like sometimes you're able to, like, sit there and think long enough and follow the associative trail and fill in the blank. That's weird because, like, we don't really have a brain to analyze our brain. Right. So but it is interesting that there's like there is some functionality. We need a hardware debugger.

30:58 We are in a simulation. I'm I'm giving up I'm giving up, giving up.

31:04 I surrender my argument. Well, that's the great thing about talking, right? Is like, I didn't really give my position. Right, I'm sure. But but there is some truth to that, right? Like morning. There's some real truth there. Like how, you know, talking to somebody and like, trying to trying to put forward a point of view. Well, like try to talk something out with somebody and all of a sudden, like some light bulbs go on and you're like, wait a minute, I need to rethink.

31:29 It's a, it's a mind expanding activity and you know, it. It really is a challenge to go out there and pursue. Not necessarily the opposite of the idea you hold, but to let someone openly challenge it. Yeah. There's that. You know, we've talked about this many times, but it is so true how liberating it is to be flexible enough to where your ego is not so bruised where, so you can have some flexibility in your fucking point of view towards the world.

31:54 Right? Your worldview is mutable. That's, you know, there's there's some freaking freedom in that, man. There is this that, you know, it. It is a freeing thing. It it lets you feel like things are a little less impactful. And, you know, hey, I'm not going to figure everything out. I can't necessarily know all. And that's fine. And it's liberating because now you're not holding yourself responsible for having to know all.

32:23 That's it. You know, you let that go of that like, yeah, it's it isn't it isn't like the, the main reason for your existence to acquire assimilate and you know, use. Yeah. So that, you know, the biological adaptation or formation and along with neuroplasticity is like, so the idea of that so curtain. So obviously there's like certain things you can't come back from, you know, like lose a limb or something.

32:49 Right. But like as far as, like your mental state and your physical state, like we can have a bunch of us could have a stroke and respond completely differently and had different greens of neuroplasticity in earning back those things that we temporarily lose. Sure. I guess based on the severity and all the factors of the sugar. Right? Or, you know, it doesn't even need to be that it was be like a life event.

33:10 That's major. Yeah. You know, like how you come out of that is really can go any way up that. Right. You know, there should be a key function of helping people, for sure. Like navigate major events. Yeah. For example, our government I right now I think collectively we're going to go around it. Yeah. I think collectively we've we've fallen short really short.

33:34 And I'm kind of like this post-Covid world, For one, we haven't fixed those goddamn underlying problems, which is, even a bigger problem, you know? Well, yeah, it's a continued vulnerability. Right. So why the world hasn't collectively said, look, we need to have a cultural shift. To stop this from happening is a huge mystery. It's because I guess you just can't.

34:01 Collectively, governments don't have that level of coordination for important things, yet they don't. And you know. Okay, some of the elements that we've identified to, you know, transfer it's dependent, that's accelerated by wet markets. Right. Yeah. So. Right, right. So so two yeah. That and the gain of function labs and you know but the zoo is definitely the problem.

34:23 Like there's too much interactive biological interaction amongst, you know, animals. Right. And so we have to lessen that. But then that comes down to economic and food acquisition and you know, food, food, desert type ideas, what all economies would see a boon if there was less, resources dedicated to animals, to livestock through. Because, you know, we talked about that before, how, you know, you have to concentrate someone can you do that?

34:52 Right. Like you're going to you're going to have to concentrate tremendous amounts of caloric energy into the animal produce, you know, to get what you want to get out of it, to get the food out of it. Right. Because the the creatures by our metabolism is consuming a lot of that energy that calories. All right. Or going just to the animal's biology.

35:12 Metabolic processes and alive until you want to eat it. Yeah. And having it grow. Right. Yeah. And so the net amount of calories that that thing takes in is tremendous compared to the amount of calories that are in the product of the meat. Right? You know, the the food product of that. So, you know, some people argue that the Me has concentration of nutrients because of this same thing.

35:35 So like you're it's a it's a shortcut to eating less food but more nutrient dense. But and some will say we can give them food but we can't eat that too. Yeah that's a good point. But so but the world hasn't learned that livestock should be at a certain rate at a certain, you know, there should be certain standards with how livestock is kept to prevent the cross infections.

35:56 Yeah, right. That can lead to something like the pandemic. Like, you know, the because that's not the first time. Right. You had versus wine flu. And this is you know animal X flus I guess it's probably there's there's a lot of other viruses of this same family that's a type viruses. And yeah do not a transfer is the norm here.

36:20 Yeah. So the the world hasn't learned that we need to have, you know, a majority on what has to be on the majority of the, of the plate should not be animal based proteins. Right. But anyway let's I digress. So, you know, there's a another kind of indication that, you know, the computer simulation is fucked up and, you know, it can't possibly be.

36:44 But it's really interesting, this, this kind of matrix of biology that, you know, we call, we call reality is, God dang, it's pretty, pretty freaking amazing. Well, the more you learn about it, I think the more amazing it becomes really, you know, and in the future will definitely be bioengineering combined with you've heard me say this and million pounds combined with mechanical overlay.

37:06 Right. You know, computerized integrations and then inevitably replacements. Yeah. You do. You basically augments in whatever way makes sense. And you have the capabilities, you know, if if it's easier for you to make the augmentation biologically, you do it there. If it's easier for you to make it in hardware, right, you do it there. So like I said, that we're genetically modified organisms just because our all DNA is being subjected to a tremendous amounts of pressure from viruses that literally will rewrite a piece of DNA, right?

37:41 Yeah. And other sources, other naturally occurring sources. So every organism on the biological organism on the planet is a genetically modified organisms as to what extent. Right. Yeah. And the idea is I guess people would be less opposed to it because it's through these natural processes and we don't see it necessarily. It's all these micro changes that equal a macro change eventually, like the slow evolution of corn from a tiny little plant to something that has a massive ear that we can cultivate and eat.

38:14 Yeah. And and so selective breeding of plants leads to those changes. And then the animals that we eat as well have been genetically modified. Oh hell yeah. Right. So and on a huge scale now, I mean, we are really putting the effort into that. Right? So, you know, the cow isn't supposed to look like, you know, the Hulk, right?

38:31 You know, it doesn't naturally look like that, you know, but if you breed the big bulky one for generation after generation after generation, you end up with that kind of species. And that's just the selective breeding piece that's just exploiting the the nature. We also now have processes layered on top where so, so, so literally genetically modified, right.

38:54 Yeah. And so don't wait on evolution. Right. And so since it's so bastardized anyway or non since it's already through selective breeding for so many generations. Right. Since it's already not natural if you will. Yeah. Right. Taking the next step and doing it in the test tube. You're doing it in the lab is really not not really a great significance anymore.

39:19 I don't think so. So like if all of a sudden, you know. No, no, man. Never. You know, mankind never tinkered with nature at all. And every species that it's out there is just what it is and it's not. So we never had breeding books for these lines of horses and we never had, you know, we never took the prize heifer and decided we needed more of them.

39:37 Right then all of a sudden pulled it into the lab and started doing all this crazy stuff that might be a little bit different than the fact that we've been doing it, you know, kind of, what's the word more macroscopically. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, so, so basically there's like the protests of the microscopic DNA change versus the macro is, is quite you know, it's not not really an easy argument now, completely editing species like putting some DNA from a locust inside of a plant or, or to make a roundup resistant.

40:07 You know, generally one of the things they had done was, Santa probe to Venus, right? And they used jellyfish to help to make it glow so it would be visible, whenever it hit. Cool. So, they created a mechanical biological experiment that they could see from here through the atmosphere. That's pretty neat, you know, and and things like that are just going to, you know, obviously increase in the future.

40:40 But so so anyway, back to this, you know, kind of simulation thing. I think that in the preponderance you can make the case, you can say, okay, just just like the, just like how Plains, you know, as we increase the amount of objects we put in the sky, UFO sightings increase as we get more and more sophisticated computer technology, more and more people are starting to say inside of computer simulation, right?

41:00 Right. So where was that a hundred years ago?

41:05 You'd have to then say, well, a hundred years ago was just figment of all the imagination anyway. It was, you know, there was no 100 years ago. The simulation is just whatever's currently live, right, right. You know, and it fills in all those gaps with with bullshit. Just like ChatGPT. Right. There we go. And that that is plays the the ambiguity.

41:25 Right? It just feels it in with bullshit. It just does it with confidence. Yeah. You know and so everyone buys it with confidence and bullshit. Now also, every computer system that would exist would be subject to outside influences. My last name would be subject to anomalous external influence. I mean, even with our computer systems we've built, cosmic rays can flip bits inside of around this network collision or, you know, but but even I'm saying an external influence, like something we cannot see can flip a bit.

41:57 Yeah. There you go. And so the so the idea that, life wouldn't be constantly filled with these measurable glitches and maybe it is because or maybe it is because we keep making the case for what I know what I'm saying. Maybe it is you look at, you will get a UV, damn it. Right. The DNA. Yeah. You know, okay.

42:25 But that would just be part of the biological container, right? What what? I'm saying that it could simulated. And it's an external influence that damages it. It's the same thing as a bit flipping in a computer remake. Yeah. Okay. So that's that's like what's really terrifying, right? Kind of kind of in this model is that when I'm done using my virtual machine, I can just switch that off.

42:50 I mean, I can save it, stay right. But or make another copy just it's so disposable. Yeah. It's completely irrelevant. Right. True. And maybe that's what we are. And so I'm not so ready to face the a possibility, but I've already faced to a large extent that I'm mostly irrelevant. But but I, I at least can cling to like, some sensibilities of relevancy.

43:14 Like I can say my progeny, you know, my like my, my children will be not only carrying my, my blood, you know, but my DNA. But they'll be carrying my ideology. Yeah, yeah. And, so to be a steward of, of of that, you know, parenting is awesome and huge, you know, and so there's, there's like this intrinsic self-identified purposes.

43:38 But if all of a sudden I had to reckon with the idea that I'm this, like, can be switched off like that fucking virtual machine, I don't, I don't, I don't like it. So. So I'll find a rational way to say that that can't be true. And I'm, I'm going to 100% agree with you. I don't think it's a simulation.

43:52 I just don't. But it's fun to talk about it either way. Yeah. Yeah I, I just I really. All right is ill coordinated as everything is in this reality, like you said from government to people. It's a whatever. If this is a simulation, it is. The dog should have said it. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Like, come on. We.

44:17 Somebody could have done better if they could have architect of the machine to create this level of fidelity. Yeah, that's a good work. Right? Then they could have done a goddamn lot better job with the modeling, like. Come on. Yeah, yeah. You know, or just like, it's so inconsequential to this, like, major mega supercomputer, right? Like this one world is so running on.

44:42 It is nothing that it could just. Yeah. And it's it's running in a on a time clock in the computer. That's like an instantaneous cycle, right. Yeah. Yeah. And so take it up. No. Refurbished. Yeah. This computer is going through all types of crazy derivatives like the multiverse idea. Right. It's doing so in an iterative cycle. And as far as the computer standpoint, it's of no consequence because basically you're a resource.

45:05 Yeah. Yeah. It's like spinning up a virtual machine, you know, and honestly. But a virtual machine that's using, you know, a half a percent of the resources or something. Yeah. Not even, you know. Yeah. And the internal clock of the simulation. Right. Experience within the simulation is a certain seems like longevity to the to the artificial entities inside the to the computer.

45:28 It's like just a cycle. Right. Like yeah it's nothing. It's just yet one another iteration thereby explaining the finiteness of time right in the arrow of time forever moving forward. Yeah. Explains it because it then it has to create its competing cycle. So. Right. So it has to since it's, since it's computers. I mean, this neatly takes care of the idea of going from order to chaos, of going from, you know, a, a particularly ordered state to what we have in this moment, what we have in the next moment, you know.

45:59 Yeah, there there's just so many layers of unnecessary and strange nonsense that would have been added then that, you know, to start to explain away. It would just be so like, okay, so so I described this before, but this is a good idea for this simulation, right. So you can imagine this morning we can imagine you can imagine this like back in the day.

46:25 You know, before you had like cities that were all lit up and light pollution all over the whole world. You can imagine, like the sky looking completely different without light pollution. Right. So what? Would I actually see it? Yeah. I mean, the the Mayans. Yeah. Remember I told you about that? What, like the mind temple with the flat top, with the water pool.

46:44 And they put the sticks to arrange to align because I was going to talk about another aspect of it. So there's like this theory that the mind priests, you know, of course, the stars were the heavens, of course. Right. Sure. And so what they would do is they would have the, the water bearers lug up to the top of the pyramid, where it was flattened at the top, flat pyramids, that pyramid with the flat top on it.

47:10 And they would have this like pool, basically like a, like a waiting pool. Okay. And they pull the water in there and, you know, the water would become perfectly still. Right? So it would be like a mirror. And what they do is they track and monitor the stars positionally from the two dimensional by looking at this mirror they created, by looking at the mirror and seeing the stars deflect.

47:31 But then they can also stand at different points and put sticks in in the, in the, in the hole and then use the angles to measure different things. Yeah. That's awesome. Right off of the, the star table, if you want to call it really neat, I didn't you may have told me about that, I just don't remember.

47:48 But what I was going to what I was going to talk about was way simpler. Just the fact that they had enough celestial light coming down, but they embedded in their roads. Shining things like this, just like that, up the road. So literally, it was enough luminance from the heavens to navigate the road. Yeah. Stay on the road.

48:10 Right. Totally cool. Right? Yeah. And so. But so this computer simulation idea, you've created, this reality where our ancestors could have experienced this wonder of the heavens, like seeing the Milky Way, if you will. Right? And then only to have the simulation over time, create light pollution to where the common person can't just look in the sky anymore and see, like, yeah, maybe like more processing power directed to this.

48:34 So. So a civilization emerges. The processing power has to go towards the more sophisticated things like the computers inside the computer. Yeah. Oh, we're getting into inception again. Here we go. Like, what layer do we break out of? Oh my God. Oh, we break out of one layer into another and then just seems endless, right. Yep. Like you could just be it.

48:57 You could always be one more dream in. Right. And you know, that's the things that say people like empty Esherick. Lord, you know that that meta, that world inside the world and just the infinite nesting.

49:12 Yeah, sure. So so the heavens would be equally as chargeable, like a fractal, right? The heavens themselves mere mirror the the micro. So like the macro of the universe mirrors the micro also. But they're really just one the same. It's just a fractal. So like as we look, the idea of the atom is that the nucleus is this tiny, right?

49:35 Like, well, this huge space between that and the electrons. Yeah. And what we're ultimately saying is you're bringing up the idea of recursion. You're bringing up the idea of, you know, iterating a process, running and iterating and and multiplying and creating and the emergent behavior of doing the same thing over and over again, but having founding values. Yes.

49:58 If you're not. Yeah. If you're Ant-Man and you went to the micron level. Micron level. Right. Adams would look like the universe. Yeah. Right. So there's your fractal model. And so the computer could recycle the same formulas, right? Right. For both the macro and the micro I'm making a huge case for the we're living right. So the computer could, could use the same template if you will, for, for for modeling the macro.

50:25 Some slight changes for the, for what you need for quantum physics. You know. But yeah, but the same basic idea and template. Yeah. I mean you could, you could zoom out enough to where the entire Milky Way just looks like a single point. Right. And then you can zoom in to some kind of close proximity to the Milky Way and see most of the things.

50:44 And that's the really cool element. We haven't been able to create anything that challenges the fidelity available. Not even close. Right? Right. Yeah. Not even close. Because at this scale, you know, we can't go into the micro or the macro. So we're in this, you know, but it doesn't matter. You just say then this, this level or this scale is just another proximity is just another part of the scale.

51:09 Like the fractal doesn't really matter where you are, right? Right. Like it doesn't matter if you go in or out. It's the same thing. You know. Right. Which is weird you know. Is it endless or is it looping. It's hard to say. Like it seems endless but it also seems looping and maybe, you know, it's like since we do both things in our computer world, maybe it does, but that's.

51:32 Yeah. So do you really have infinity if you have a square plane or rectangular plane of some kind? And if you go out one side of that plane, you just reemerge on the other side of that plane, the opposite. Right, right. We're talking about the idea of the infinity pool. It has the edge, but appears infinite. Yeah. Well, in this case, you know, if you were on board the asteroid spaceship.

51:55 Yeah. You know, in the 2D world, and you, you would, you would absolutely think from, from all intents and purposes that it was an endless plane. Right? Because you'd go out one side and come back in the other, unless you recognize that the objects for going in one side and on the other. Have you read flatland? No.

52:13 Has these ideas. So flatland by Edwin Abbott Abbott, he, makes recursive name, right? He, he has the same birthday as myself. December 20th. But Abbott. Abbott. Abbott. Right. December 20th is your birthday. Yep. Nice to do something cool. Susan. Got some vacation time, and I'll be off, so let's do something. Yeah, man. So basically, it is a story in the Victorian age, written in the Victorian age, trying to communicate to the elite, the social elite and intellectual elite the concept of multiple dimensions.

52:56 And it starts with Judy. Okay. As as it always does seems to. And the idea is there's these the more sides you have in this society, the more elite you are. Right then.

53:14 A square. Yeah, yeah, if visited by a sphere. Gotcha. And in their 2D world, they can only see a slice of the spirit. Right? Gotcha. Yeah, but, this fear tells them of these other dimensions, and the square is compelled to topple, in society and try to, you know, in the Galileo's sort of way, say, hey, you guys are wrong.

53:47 Gotcha. And, this the story goes from there. Cool, man. Well, you remember I went on that rant that day and we were walking down town on our way back about the different dimensions I think should really be. Remember that. It's like. So I think that, you know, the first dimensions time, the second dimension is place. So we have the idea wrong where we go point line plane.

54:12 Okay. You know, and then, you know, three, four, five dimensions, whatever. I think we have it way wrong. I think the first dimension is, is time. Because you have to have the temple, location your your place and time. So temple. The temple location anchors everything else. Temporal is number one. Second dimension is we want to call that, even a dimension.

54:33 But the second dimension would be place position. Three dimensional position. Okay. So x, y, z and time is the fourth or was a traditional the Ford. Yeah. Instead of saying x x is one dimension y is another disease and other. Right. No. Those are they are collective. Yeah. Right. Because we don't really separate one for the other. So let's take the abstraction of saying time is one dimension.

54:55 Absolute 3D position is another. Correct. That would be dimension number two. And then and then your third dimension after that it's even on have a need to necessitate a third dimension would be causal proximity if they like causal interaction let's say, oh that's neat. That's something we never really talk about. Where are you in the flow of things.

55:17 And then that brings you to like a data flow processing model for the world. Right. So so it's like basically time and then point or positions. Right. And then from there state is the third dimension in my model. Yeah. Yeah. State. But in context state in context with how all this happening around it has to be. Right. Right.

55:35 Because everything, every dimension prior is a necessity for is a requirement for the, the next dimension. Right. Oh, so you have to have time and place to identify a particle or anything. Right? Right. And then you have state which is the final, you know, necessary to understand any particular thing. I like to subtract. Thanks. And so when you start to model the world of the universe on that, in that system, I think a lot starts to shape up pretty clearly.

56:04 Dude, you know, she will have been surprised about the we talked about before I think. So you fucking mind blowing today. No. Yeah. I love the idea that, you know, that we're the. You said you said it yesterday. I was laughing for. I was laughing for quite some time or not. It is that we're the failed science experiment of a truly intelligent species.

56:27 Like the child, the retarded child at the science fair. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Some truly intelligent species. Retarded. Yeah. Everything we are and that we think and known and manifested is just a the dumb ass experiment of what was the name? Clever. I don't know, clipboard I love it. That's a great name. That's a great name for a retarded alien or retarded alien.

56:52 God, I love it, you know. And and to the to the bacteria in the petri dish. Right. You know, to the bacteria in the pitcher dish. Yeah. What the hell? The disc is the world. Yeah, yeah. And the and the the nutrient medium, the agha. The agar is the, Right is the domain or she will. And then the ring of penicillin on the outside is the boundary.

57:19 Yeah. You're blind. So you have no, you know, the, the, the bacteria is blind, therefore has no. No awareness of any kind of, you know, just knows its current position. Yeah, it's current environment. And to say it even knows that is hard to say. Yeah, it's it's just it is. Right. And so even with some massive degree of comparative sophistication.

57:45 Right. You can you can just as easily have some type of container. You could and that's right. Now it's you're right there. And the, I don't know what to say. The, the ring of penicillin is in our world, but who's got to be that limitation? Yes, yes. Well, for all of human history, everything human beings have ever known is the closed system of the earth.

58:13 And for all intents and purposes, Earth is still a closed system. Yeah, yeah, we can send probes and people to foreign bodies, but to celestial bodies. But, you know, we're not just like teleporting to planet X, right? Right. Good point. We still have, even with all the current technology, despite Elon Musk best intentions. You know, we we still have a, quite a quite a limited.

58:43 I don't know what you want to call it. Influential existence. Yeah. Yeah. The our impact, our,

58:54 And human make on things is pretty non-existent. And given that reality, human beings, as a matter of ethical priority, should be putting a lot greater emphasis on stewardship of this world. Right? Because, who wasn't? What's his name? What, Mr. Fulop. Right. Great scientist. If I had to pick top five people, that might be an alien.

59:20 That guy. And, he came up with this idea of Spaceship Earth, you know? Yeah, yeah. And that's it. And I mean, it's it's, by and large, cruise ship. Yeah. Least that's what is shaping up to me. Right. And I'm ready for some Wally's, man, because I want to start seeing these streets get more clean by robots.

59:42 Oh, here we go. Oh, talking suit for, like, an hour the other day about how we can make that and that. That, I feel like, is an application that AI at our level is ready for. Clean up some fucking trash. I want to have it to where kids can play the video game of the trash bot. So you gamify it, gamified, and then you know, it's leader leaderboards and all that kind of stuff and the stuff that it collects go to it all counts for his community service hours for the kids.

1:00:09 So the parents would be, you know, very much wanting their kids to get on that. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, you can imagine they do a great job controlling the arm on the robot, right? Remotely. So the Xbox and they get an X-Box game. Hell yeah. Right. Yeah. And you could even have kids who are more interested in the physical, mechanical side of it go out and repair these things as groups.

1:00:32 That's cool. Idea. Create spin up a whole community around this idea. Yeah, right. And, you know, we got into all these, like, you know, kind of naysayer saying a whole bunch of things really quickly, like, for example, you know, the kids taking it, driving the robot over to your friend's house and screwing up in their front yard or driving it out in the traffic, creating chaos, chasing animals and people with the robot, you know?

1:00:54 So we came up with like, the chaos. But if there was a way to stop that, you know. Right. I mean, there's always a chaos factor. Anything he give somebody a normal deal, right? I mean, what could he do with an automobile? Well, you know, just look at everything people have done with him, right? Weaponize the hell out of him.

1:01:11 Yeah. So you'd have to have, like, start, start this whole thing off with, like, certified, drivers, you know, these things. Yeah. And maybe, you know, a demerit system or something like that. Some sort of punishment or social or thing that would keep you from doing it for real. I love the fact that we talk about why we're not in a computer simulation, and with all these creative ideas and how we are and what, and I'd say our ideas were pretty decent, I like it.