Algorithms for Humanity & Metaverse Fail

0:00 I didn't think it was going to be that long. He's like, oh, I'll be a couple hours. I was like, oh no, I'll give until 6 a.m..

0:08 It's like, it's funny when someone in someone like in their early 20s gives you a time estimate on an IT project. You know, you you multiply it by three. Yeah. I used 2.5 as my multiplier because I'm overly optimistic. Oh, nice. Oh, I get it. You know, you'll come in clutch so you can take the half off.

0:29 Yeah. Right. Right. Right, right. Which just means, like, I just have to double shift, like, for the next two days. To me, to meet my own underachieving time out there. I love it. And then, like, you know, you got to keep up the confirmation bias. So you have to, you know, like, make sure you meet the deadline. You confirm to yourself that you're good at estimating, you know, it's like you look it is absolutely at 2.5, okay.

0:54 It was a workday. You know, I work 24 full hours. I'm only counting ten hours. Yeah. It's like the other, you know, the other time that was learning, that was either 14 hours. You know, I did take I did go to the bathroom a couple times. I think I might have eaten a sandwich at my desk. Where do you take your total of 14 minutes off?

1:15 Yeah, point, 13.5 minutes.

1:22 And, I love that, whole thing, like, you know, the whole, like, make sure it's on your timesheet type stuff. Oh, God. Yeah. You spend you spend all that so much time dicking around with the timesheet that it's like. And then. And then you just kind of, like, cut and paste and hack things into it anyway.

1:36 Yeah, because there's, like, there's no way I could actually be truthful. No way. And then at the end of the day, you realize that the whole thing really is like, there is no true metric here. It's like, not even ballpark, you know? And so, like, there's absolutely zero utility in the whole thing. And then you just felt like maybe copy and paste in the one from the previous week.

1:57 That's totally appealing. Yeah. That's like the check the block component of being in the night jam. It's like, you know, because you want to minimize the amount of time you're spending doing this damn timesheet. Yeah. And it just seems weird if you, you know, put, two hours looking for the missing semicolon, you know? Right. You know what?

2:20 It's true. It's totally true. It's totally true. It's embarrassing to put that down. Like, you know. Misspelled variable. Yeah, yeah. Misspelled variables with two errors. Looking for a semicolon. A brace was missing. Fucking last night. It was, it, We, didn't have the number of files defined correctly for a particular user. Number of open bar, maximum number of open files.

2:54 Oh. You mean that classic one for a particular user? Gotcha. So it's like we were supposed to have 150,000. We had 100,000.

3:06 So. Right.

3:09 Once we did that, we put it in the right file. We had it wherever you. Oh, wait a minute. You have 100 concurrently open files. What am I here? This 3000 150,000 open concurrent files? Yeah. Wait. What in the hell is going on? What's it doing? Or is it top secret? No, it's not top secret. It's, It's a threat intelligence platform called Direct Connect.

3:32 And I say, you know, the largest threat is you're opening somebody far, right? Yeah. And, I mean, the hardware is beefy as hell you're talking, but it has to be. Yeah. Even with my BS computer at home, I don't think I could open even a third of that. It's got like 256 GB of Ram in it. Beautiful.

3:52 It's got, only cause I think it's like 32 or so. Not insane on the cores, but still pretty big. What in the world? That's crazy cool, man. I love hearing about super beefy computer. There's one box I've got that I don't know, I, me and, this guy Jim, who are working on it is this. It's this off network thing where, you know, it's basically,

4:20 Yeah, to replace things in case there's a massive disaster so that. So people have a place to work. Yeah. And, we thought it was an error or something. We did, like CPU on it, and it's like 72 cores. It's like. What? Really? Yeah. That exists apparently. I guess there's like, theoretically no limit because you can like do multiprocessor with multiple cores each.

4:49 Right. And that's what we're thinking. It's got to be, you know, a high Court count per processor. It's got to be multiple processors. Wow. We didn't really look at it. We just saw that and was like, okay, right. So this is going to do some work. So so it you know, it just blows my mind like, you know, what is the bank doing.

5:09 Why. Yeah. There's this is just there's so many like periphery systems and subsystems and processes and algorithms running that it just the whole entire thing is so complex. And then you need to run security over that whole buffet of things. I mean, is that what's going on here? You know, that it was just like people's accounts aren't transactions, right?

5:29 You think, the threat intelligence platform and handles tons of stuff? We have, It's not a huge database. Like if I came on board up on. You mean to interrupt you? I'm sorry if I came on board. Isn't it like, you know, as, like, the guy? Yeah. The it, whatever the CTO or whatever, of that company, the first thing I would do is I'd say, hey, I want a really deep, comprehensive report on what all the complexity is here.

6:02 Right? Right. Sorry to interrupt. No. Yeah. Why do we have all this? You know, and a lot of times. The resources have to be lying fallow. That can't be being used all the time. I mean, that 72 core box isn't doing shit, but it's not in the power to be using if it was using all 70, of course, to like 95%, right?

6:26 I mean, work is still, heating the data center at the battle is going to oh, it's just going to make a heat joke. I was like, could you imagine the total thermal output of the sun? Yeah, dude. That's crazy. And so like in general, what is it used for? You know, yeah, in general it's it's used for, a platform to, provides essential services in case of a serious event, like, let's say there's a dirty bomb that goes off in the city.

6:58 Okay. All right, so what to worry about? Bank accounts at that time were, like, vital central communication services or the, you know, for essential people. Yeah. Okay. So that's like, assuming that this thing still has connectivity and all this shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty crazy DC, so hopefully it would. Okay. All right. Cool, cool. You know, if you have a really good connection really, you know, you know, hardened data center or whatever, the data center is very hardened.

7:35 Like, it's like, yeah, nerdy basement, you know, multiple layers of thickness of walls, EMT, EMP, shielded, all this kind of like, it's all in here, right? Sure. Tell us not to be. Has a wire going out? Yep. Exactly. And, like these, that data center is supposed to have multiple redundant connections to serial one providers. But like you said, hardened.

8:00 Especially, like, supposedly if a nuclear bomb goes off. Okay. Because. Because we're going to care about the bank that's top tier in the bank, you know, organizational chart, I imagine the top tier is the bank will care, communicate it, care about communicating, you know, with one another. At that time, I think the top tier at the bank will care.

8:23 I really do.

8:25 Okay, it I'm not saying you and I would fuck that. I want to be in that data center anymore. I want to be next to that machine. Yeah, dude. I mean, I want to bunk in the same place. I want to press a button in the machine rises up out of the floor in, like, ten year supply of food and water is there for me and my family.

8:42 You know, I want I agree with that. And I'm talking about it's like, why don't I have a bunker with rotating of supplies for people? Yeah. Hey, there we go. It's funny too, because, like, how sometimes the computer equipment and infrastructure you can totally see as, like, greater, wherever you want to call for hardening and provisions and protections for it than the people.

9:07 Oh, yeah. I mean, that's going to be 99% of the time, right? Yeah. It's like you realize that's just a machine, right? Yeah. And it's easy, but it's easier to protect. Oh yeah. It doesn't need food, water, place to shit. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And digital assets are probably a lot more valuable than your human resources. Yikes. You know, that's been a recurring theme of what we're talking about.

9:34 Like how inevitably the some of these algorithms and systems and capabilities, you know, have more utility and, and, like, usefulness than the very large number of people? Yeah, in at least in certain things. Right. And so in certain goal functions, you'd want to preserve that above the people. Oh yeah. Which sounds probably ludicrous to 99% of the population, but.

9:55 Well, and, and to me as well from time to time. But then when you really break it down, you look at for just utility. Right. And we're talking a business continuity plan here. Yeah. Like what will it take for the business to continue. Yeah. Because when. Yeah absolutely. Because if they're like, you know, a new kid Charlotte, the very first thing I'm going to do is go to the ATM there.

10:15 That fucker better be working it. Yeah, I, I put my money with that bank for a reason. Yeah. You know, for me, it's funny how how powerful and potent, useful. You know, some of these algorithms and also how stupid some of these algorithms are. Have gotten is like, something funny happened to me recently. I got a, I got a, Google AdSense come up and one of my things and, you know, it knows my search history, it knows my life, you know, whenever it quote unquote, right, right.

10:45 Knows like probably more about me than I know about myself. So I mean, we do imbue it. We do imbue this collection of systems with an overall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, oh, I just finish your sentence yet you get results like cutting you off from finishing your synthesis. Right is great. Like not even being your friend is more.

11:02 No. You're fine dude, I am. I feel like I was speaking really slow dude, yesterday. Oh, my gosh, I was so cold. I don't know why I got, like, so cold yesterday. I didn't even make mention of it, but I was like a struggling then. Yeah, I was really I was really hurt. And when I got back in the car, I was like heater.

11:23 And I didn't even start to feel right towards close to when I get home. It's a really it's like a 15, 20 minute ride in morning traffic. You were just still feeling cold as hell was like crawled into your bones. Yeah, it got deep, you know, like that cold yeti. It's funny, like if I sit in a hot tub or whatever and, or a hot bath for, like, not just like five minutes, but, like, really, really, really let it get, like, deep in me.

11:44 Yeah. Like the heat, right? I could go outside like a snowbank, like. Oh, same here. You know, for like an hour before I see you get cold again. Yeah. You feel like you're just radiating heat. And it was like the exact opposite for me yesterday. Yeah. I was so cold to the bone. Remember that scene in it where, like, they can't find them in the morning, they wake him up, they go down.

12:02 He's in the stream. It's like he's like dark gray and cold and, like, clinging to life. That was me yesterday. I was ed in the stream. It's buddy, just to give you a visual. That is hilarious. Wow. That is a house right there. That's a monster. What is that, 4000ft²? I don't know, I don't want to pay tax bill.

12:23 You hope he supports a good school? I'll tell you about this. Shit that happened to me is an algorithm. And, like, gave me a freaking ad for Ed treatments. Oh, damn. And I'm like, I don't have a problem with Ed. What's going on here? Right? Do you know something? I know that's what I'm saying. You just finish my sentence.

12:45 Or does it know something that was about to happen, like in the near future, to have an a letter, at least predictive analytics saying, yeah, this guy's like, you know, 25 so pounds overweight. It's in his late 40s here. There's a good chance he's going to have work there. The wife in here working a lot. Yeah. He seems concerned about the future.

13:06 The world. This guy might be, might be in in this soon, if not already. Oh, damn. And so, you know, it was like this, like, total dystopian 2022, like, wake up call for me, right? Yeah. Like the algorithm has just predicted that I'm going to have dick problems. Something must be done, right? It's like we cannot have dick problems.

13:32 This is completely not my character. Dude, you know what? Do you know how much how how much of my life has been built up around the idea that I can get an erection? I mean, really, though, I'm just saying that's, like, definitely part of my identity. I'm just. It it used to be, you know, like, pretty strong, like, important, you know?

13:53 Right. Maybe it's less important now, but then maybe that's what the algorithm sounds like. But, but in general, like, you know, I don't know from what I've seen, a lot of people do suffer from it. Yes. And I'm like, you continue to live, but they continue to live. But, I don't know, I think at first I have a hard, real hard time.

14:12 I just said that. Damn, I couldn't I couldn't blame that if I tried. That was like a joke I didn't intend a lot of times I intend them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was almost like the wonderful subconscious Freudian slip right there. I think so. Well, anyway, a lot of men probably have a difficult time, you know, with, with coping with coming up with the real, with the realization, you know, via this, the new reality for them or, I don't know, or the medications just are on point, I don't know.

14:42 Yeah. True. I mean, well, according to Google. Yeah, I'll find out soon enough. Yeah I will give this a review. Yeah, of course I'll have to. You know, we'll do a follow up podcast. Oh shit. This is, pulling the podcast. Yeah. This is positively pedestrian Punisher there. I don't worry. I know that didn't work. Well, yeah. This idea that the algorithms like.

15:10 So if you're savvy and you know a little bit about how they work, you could technically start to see some things coming up like that and say, wow. So Google Ads thinks I am like a seven year old man who needs a walk into, and enjoys Bob Vila. Well, I would like both of those things. Perhaps I am a 70 year old man as well.

15:34 I mean, I wouldn't say that I have a problem with the walking tub. I'm just saying generally, it's targeted to another age group in the both of us. Arc. Wow. Interesting. So it'd be funny if I, like, you know, went and deleted all my history or somehow tried to tell Google AdSense that I'm not interested in like trial dysfunction medication, but I'm afraid that it might just, like double down on me then.

15:54 Yeah, that's like, well, you all right? Yeah. We know. Okay. So not only is it now sending the ads for erectile dysfunction is selling that giving me ads for local therapists that can help with denial. Yeah he knows it. No, it knows. And I'm just a you know, I'm just an I'm an endpoint. I'm a I'm a user.

16:17 Yep. Exactly. You heard us. Speaking of that term user, I heard a funny, term funny, saying that day. You might have heard it before. It's like there's only two, main categories inside where people are referred to as users, oh, as drug addicts and computer computer people that use computers. Isn't that so much fun? You've heard it before.

16:37 Yeah, but not very often. Yeah, I just never put that context together in my own mind. I ever thought of that. Yeah, I read that, I read that quote. It was in a project management book. It's funny. Matt, I mean, I can think of some other things that there's users of, but we don't need to go there to comment on its own.

16:57 This one. Right. And, you know, I mean, it's very pointed in that it's not necessarily 100% correct, but it's thought provoking. So, there's this weird like, thing I thought of too is like maybe, maybe that, like, you know, in, in kind of fiddling with software, like, you know, a lot of software, there's like so many things that you could do to, like, fiddle with it, kind of like.

17:18 Yeah, like Photoshop, for example. Like there's so many filters and, you know, applying cascades of filters, you know, one filter and then another type of thing. Yeah. There's, there's so many like little I don't know what you want to call like things that you can tune or whatever. Right. Yeah. Buttons to hit, things to twiddle. Yeah. Levers to.

17:37 Yeah. It's like that's exactly what I'm thinking about. It's like it might just be this really sophisticated fidget spinner, like, where you're really not learning anything, like you're not really doing focused. I mean, you're getting any experience, right? But but just like you would get an experience spinning a fidget spinner, you get really good at spinning the fidget spinner.

17:55 It's like an adult size, busy box with like, little kid thing. Yeah, it's got all the things to do. Yeah. It's just sophisticated enough for the adult brain to feel like I'm being productive when you're just fidget spinner, think, oh, man, that's made. If a new adjective, then for new pairing, a new a new verb slash adverbs.

18:15 So so yeah. So I was thinking about that and I remembered this guy way back in the day. I mean, what was I, I was like, 19. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I guess that was way back in the day. Yeah. And, do there's something flashing over there in the dirt or, I was just kidding.

18:34 No. Something flickering in the stream. Yeah, it's probably just a flickering. Like a it's a puddle. What? Moving and catching light. I think it's a drop, a drip hitting, catching the like. Oh, okay. I think it's like a drip from the ceiling of the tunnel. Totally is. That's cool. It's cool that it put that gave you that way back, that there's going to be like people that think, oh, they're in the studio.

19:01 They just added the audio. They just add an echo effect to make it sound like they're walking through a tunnel or actually in a tunnel that you wouldn't want to be in. It's it's through the morning. Oh, it's well enough to where, you know, I don't feel like someone's going to slice my Achilles tendon right. But as soon as we leave the tunnel, that's not a bit slow.

19:20 Oh, yeah. We're, like, particularly vulnerable after we just leave because our eyes haven't readjust in here. Yeah. And like, the France knows that. Yeah. That's funny. So, if area listeners, I don't think they're really gonna want to hear too much about, like, audio processing or whatever, but, I'll tell you really briefly, I found out in all of the recordings, like, I found a way to, like, kind of, more or less batch process them.

19:45 So. Yeah, I'll, I'll walk you through all later. Cool. It's kind of boring for a podcast. What? Oh, it is kind of cool. But this is what got me thinking about the fidget spinner thing, right? Because some of the time, like messing with all the different audio effects and yeah, like trying to learn, you know, you know, instead of kind of watching tutorials appropriately, I do the same thing and not I'm not going to watch a YouTube video is the last ditch effort, dude.

20:10 It's like I've I've changed so much over time. Like I started now to like actually start to read the manual, you know, type thing. Right? And I'm found like this blend between reading the manual and trying is is like a good sweet spot for me for learning. I feel the same way. What are they like? What's the old acronym RTFM?

20:29 Read the fucking manual. Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard that in a while. Right. So I, I was, I was wondering, you know, as hours are ticking by, I'm sitting, there's like, wait a minute. I just doing like this software fidget spinner here. But yeah, really the late is fucking around with like these different audio things just because it's like an adult version of fidgeting.

20:53 It's hilarious. Right? It's like a, it's like an intellectual computer geek version of fidgety. Yeah. Really. You know, like, I like I need more, more, more excuses to sit down in front of the computer. Yeah. It's like if you average 12 hours a day in front of the computer for, like, most of your life, something's not right. And you know, or something is right, I don't know for an AI seeker, you're right.

21:17 I mean, I don't know, it's it's a tough thing. Like yesterday, you know, what was supposed to be our savior was automation. And it wasn't. It came out to be a Terminator. Yeah. It was like, all sorts of little niggling details. But to be fair, is the first time we really tested this. Automation suite that we built in production.

21:44 So. Got you. We found out we had some config drift from production and dance. Yeah. No. Not that. Yeah, well, I mean, what you should say is that in in dev and in test, we need to have a machine comparable to the one that was going to deploy for you. So we need the 72 four gigabit terabyte of memory computer to play with now.

22:05 No, we found out that in production we have Nic bonding set up wrong. Oh. So yeah this uncovered like a list of shit. Wow. So it helped us. It it's it's such a love hate relationship. Right. As you're going through it and you're having that success of debugging, it's like the worst thing and you know, like, oh gosh.

22:28 It's just who knows since it's since, like, we don't even know the number of variables we're looking at here yet. Right, right. But then like when you're done and you solved it and you prove something, it's like, I don't know, you feel like we do. You do, you feel great? It's like maybe the wrong kind of don't mean you probably don't really want that.

22:46 Yeah. You're right. You're grooming yourself for the wrong thing. Yeah, right. If your brain was, like, doing you a favor, it was like, punish you for that, you know? Do you do anything to avoid it? You know? Yeah. You've got this deep seated aversion, but instead. Yeah. Then there's like this other thing, you can kind of fidget spin with your computer too, and that's endless tweaking like, oh shit.

23:06 Yeah. Right, am I right? Yeah. You know, you can endlessly tweak your computer like, gets a you're in the bios fucking around. You're in, you know, like software. I've heard these same, same term being used for cars, motorcycles and computers racing. Tell me about it. I've never heard that one. Okay, so it's like, this is kind of pejorative whenever it comes to a, tricked out, you know, fancy, beautiful looking car.

23:34 You say it's a ricer if it's a foreign car, but, you know, like. Yeah, like a rice burner. Like it's a Toyota. Nissan or something. Yeah, exactly the same thing. Rice bong a ricer. And, but you know there's that certain flash in the pan that's required. Right. Gotcha. And then so kind of people like constantly tinkering with the thing.

23:54 Yeah. And and of course above all it looks good but they're constantly tinkering with it and they're throwing in shit. Tons of money. Well gadget same thing with their computer. Shit. Gotcha, gotcha. You know, we I was like there's forums online where people are like, this is my newest rice. And they're basically talking about this is what my new desk, my Inslee tweets desktop was like you gadget.

24:21 And then then then beyond, just like the Bios and then getting into the software settings like in hardware settings, hardware configuration settings like overclocking and all this kind of stuff. Right? Then you get into like the software angle, like all the little customizations you want to do the OS or to the GUI or there. That's what I'm talking about.

24:37 That's that's there. Yeah. Right. And it's basically legitimately endless with the computer pretty much, you know, like I'm sure like with cars, it can be incredibly sophisticated because cars are sure we should just get this day, but hey, computer gives you a whole nother, for example, right. A computer, all right. I mean, you want to keep somebody occupied, give them a damn computer.

25:02 Maybe that's what it's about. Part of it, man. The computer's like the computer is like the first invention that's, like, truly agnostic, right? You can do so many things. It's not limited to, like, it's the software allows it to just kind of do anything. Right? Yeah. It's software defined. Whatever. Yeah. And the ability to like, just plug and play and add and remove as you see fit peripheries.

25:21 Yeah. You could then basically extend your computer to do anything. Right. So yep. That's you know, the day the computer was like kind of the turning point invention in the series of inventions for mankind. Right. Because they've created finally this thing that's not just, an object, you know, for some function, it's an object for any function. Yes.

25:40 It's really it's just how much energy, are we how much? Engineering time and, money do we have? We just. I mean, there's situations where people are using Commodore 64. As for home automation, there's this story out, that I would have thought was urban legend until, there were some free for it that a Commodore 64 that some kid was going to high school.

26:10 The high school needed, new Hvac controller, basically. Right. He was the Commodore 64. He used to control 64. It stayed running for 25 years. Useful. I love it. And when it finally stopped working, all they had to do was, star comma eight and enter to get it directly. Right? Right. I mean, but, yeah, whatever, I don't know, ever get the commands at this point there.

26:34 I'm saying. But you know, if they had to replace the color 64 at that point. Yeah. Those those those monitors, Myers. Those motherboards were so terrible. I mean, like, everything was hard sided and, you know, yeah, every chip was like fully soldered in and overengineered like a motherfuck. Oh, yeah. In fact, like some people take those boards and, you know, find some of those old boards.

26:57 Yeah, really take the time to restore them and then, like, just have to replace the one chip that faulted on it. Wow. And then they have like now a working you know for their whatever their purpose is I think. Well I mean the U.S. space shuttle when we were running it for what was it 30 years ran off of the 1886 is they were buying them in bulk off of eBay.

27:24 Well, there you go, you know. And how much does it take really to, you know, act as a servo controller or something, you know, and that's it. Right? You put a real time OS on something that doesn't have blocking IO and you don't need that much horsepower. There you go. And for all intents and purposes, the world is run off of that.

27:45 That layer of tech not yeah, yeah. Like that's what most people don't even have a have an imagination for. Right. Well all the little sub controllers in everything. Yeah. Yeah I mean Jesus I how many do I have on me now. Yeah. Right. Really though I mean, you think about the little a little set of the touchscreen controller that you got in your on the controller that accesses the flash chip.

28:15 So many so mean all kinds of stuff. I mean obviously, yeah, they're microcode and they're all, you know, extremely engineered, an incredible micro technology. But at the same time it's still the same idea, you know, from back in the day. Oh yeah, the same io you know, functionality. Really wonder what processors in the recorder were using. But I don't know.

28:36 It's pretty good. It tends to pick up a lot as one was telling you about with this messing with the software. So what's up where you missile. Oh. Sweet. Yeah. Adobe Audition out there. And, I like it. It's got a lot of. It's got a lot of features that's very powerful, especially, you know, if, you know, if you're doing.

28:55 Yeah. That's right. I mean, you're accreting knowledge and, you know, all the time. Well yeah, I'm not just fidget spinner. I'm pretty knowledge. Thank you. It just justified six hours from my time last night. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, it's it's kind of like Hallelujah. Hello. It's a long haul shipping boat a treats barnacles. All right. That's where I'm at in my programing career.

29:20 That's where I'm at in my career. Fucking barnacle accumulation. That is so true. I mean, I, I just so true. I am to hell. I spent, you know, 6 or 7 hours playing with, some automation when I could have just done it by hand. I've done that so many times, like coded something to solve a task that I could have just done manually and half the time.

29:44 Right. And then, like, you're always thinking grandiose, like, oh, you know, I'll be able to use this later for x, y, z, and you never use it like x, y, z is different enough. Yeah, yeah. It's like you solved like 60 or 70% of the problem, but not enough to make you be able to use it again. You know, like in the alphabet.

30:03 You just solved w y. Yeah, but x, y, z are different letters and they're different enough, even though they're all letters in the alphabet. Right. Or different enough to where your little software solution would just you have to rewrite the whole thing anyway. Yeah. It's like you haven't parameterized everything in out, right? My gosh, if you can imagine, like all the software artifacts I have.

30:22 Oh, Jesus. Yeah. You were talking to me years ago about you basically needed like a software librarian. Dude, it's not it's no joke. You can go back and, you know, it's weird things like a trip down memory lane, you know, you visit some of your old code. Yeah. I might hope that you have the, the engine to run the compiler.

30:43 Right. You know, that that'll that'll actually run it to this day and write some old C code or some old anything. Yeah. Like, oh, we were an old Pascal program, like. Oh yeah. How do I run that? Oh, well, you know, I have a VST computers. Let me spin up a virtual machine and add, you know. Right. Let me go through a windows 3.1 virtual machine.

31:04 This is like two geeky of a podcast. You talk about pussy or, women. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes or something. We did not use the pejorative term for a Wayne's beautiful and respectable genitalia at all. Beautiful beauties in I. Yeah. Or in this case, maybe the tongue of the holder of the. There's been some, you know, there there's definitely, like, at least in my screens, there's, there's a range.

31:32 There's a range. Well, yeah. You know, it goes it goes everywhere from like succulent flower to wound. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. School busses, they find us right as we cross the street. So I feel like, you know, penises have that same brain, right? Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure they do. Yeah. Matter expert with me? Yeah. I don't know a whole lot about dicks.

31:59 You know, I've unfortunately seen my fair share due to the military. And it's a Barney again. Never thought you would start seeing more. Spring is that comes. Spring is about to spring. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I do love how they. They run. Run, run. Then they pause for a little while, and then they run, run, run. Yeah. They look back at you like, are you still looking in my general direction?

32:20 Yeah. When we when we never would have if you just stayed still. Yeah. It's like they're their vision is motion based. I remember like I was a kid and I was playing with the squirrel one time, like it was run to one side of the tree. It was a big tree, okay? It was like run around the backside of the tree, but just enough to where it could still stick its head out and see me, like, keep an eye on me.

32:42 And so then I was like, totally go the other way around the tree. And then it would look the other way and its head would be there looking at me. So I started psyching it out, like pretending to go one way, but then goes the other. Oh yeah. Yeah, I played like 20 minutes of this damn squirrel. Then be fun.

32:56 It's fun. But it really, like, reminds me of how primitive my childhood was compared to my man. Oh, yeah. My kids, like, have all this tech and like, yeah, cool shit and like, the own spy and some of these, like, you know, he plays like Apex Legends and you know, it's like the graphics are sick, man. Oh they are, they are.

33:16 And it's like the controller has 12 buttons or more, you know, two thumbsticks, you know. Right. High analog, you know, response wireless. Right. And dude, I had a I had a stick. Like a schlong. Yeah. And a red button. Right. You know, that was my controller. One and one analog target. So I go back. Not so far there.

33:38 The pong controller was like a little dial. Dial. Right. Well, on a button too, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. But in fact, if memory serves two buttons. Oh, was a two buttons. I've only seen pictures. I don't know, it could be wrong. I've only seen pics before, but porn got boring really fast. Even even when it was new.

33:56 Even when it was novel, it got boring fast. But then Pac-Man was like, you know, the whole oh my gosh, yeah, dude, you know all those like Space Invaders and Pac-Man, all those early on, like Nintendo. My dad manually Magnavox Odyssey two when he was growing up. Wow. This these first games were like the there was unpredictability to some extent in the in the environment or in the characters in the game.

34:24 That was the game changer. So it's like, you know, at first like pong, right? There's no there's nothing there. There's nothing game changing. You know, exactly where that ball's going to go at the angle that it hits the paddle. Right. You know, you can like like flick it. I guess when it hits to make it, make it, make it go more rapid.

34:40 Like, you see those little tweaks, right. Hit it right on the edge and it takes off at a more acute angle that console. But you know that like became very limited too quickly from my memory. You mastered it. Yeah. That's. Yeah. Right. Right. That and it just started going so fast that like no human could ever.

34:58 Right now that was the barrier. Like that was the threshold for the game. And that got pretty lame. Pretty quick right. So but the game's today. Oh my God they're insane man. I mean the the level coordination to use like they play it. So kids play it so much and they get used to playing that in that format.

35:16 Yeah. But when you're not used to it, you pick that up. You just you just get decently screwed. Yeah. You can't do anything compared to imperative. Not me to the dark credit. Nice. But you heard of the Dark Souls, right? It's like your competitive, Fortnite player or Apex Legends, I remember. Yeah, right. Have you heard of, the Dark Souls series of games?

35:42 No. Okay, so their homework is, insane difficulty. Oh, okay. Yes, I've seen this, but didn't know the name of it. Okay. Yes, I know you're talking about, like, Super Mario, and there's, like, 5000 spinning flame, you know, whatever they are been spinning around. Yeah, except these guys are in that camp of brand new sort of game where you have, you know, the great graphics and everything, and the deal is dying.

36:14 Hey, you know. Yeah, yeah. You're going to die. You know. Yeah. Just how long can you stay alive? Right? And, it's like their newest game, Elden Ring. That one I've heard of. Okay. That one, that one, like, ups the ante so much. Gotcha. I mean, like, stupid hard. Yeah. And you have to go back and talk characters.

36:40 You know, tons of times there's minimal dialog. There's you have to look at item descriptions for as part of the storyline. It's like, but you're dying. And every time you die, there's a blood puddle that gets left where you die. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So. So I see a bunch of blood panels. You better be cautious. Yeah. And if you mouse over a blood puddle, it tells you how the person died.

37:06 And out there's, like, CSI on a whole new level. Right? And it's like you're you're catapulted into this hellish heavy metal landscape like skulls on mountains. What pulls it up? That's crazy. That's like the newt. That's like the new version of CSI, right? That's going to come out at CSI Silicon Valley. Oh, shit. They have like, you know, they point they pointed device at something like a blood puddle.

37:30 You know, it's like 17 year old email. You know, the result basically like a trial order. Yeah. Yeah. Like like makes it makes the current CSI look like fucking ridiculous here. Yeah. Child's play. Oh, so much fun. But. Oh, and and I just read about Elden Ring and then, like you were saying, your son was playing all these other games.

37:55 Well, Gavin, my girlfriend's kid is playing Elden Ring, and he's just telling me about it, and it's like, I don't even want to mess with it, but. All right, listen. Yes, it's funny when games are, like, stupid difficult, it can either, like, completely succeed because it's so difficult and people like that, or it can quickly say, oh yeah.

38:18 Like, I'm sorry. I was like, pause there for a second. I was looking around like, kind of get my bearings of exactly where we're at. Not. Yeah, sure, I think I know, I think I do know where I am. Yeah, actually I'm good. I know we're at we're up there and take a laugh. Are you ready at your place too?

38:32 Yeah, man. So, this whole thing about this particular model on the, on the on the, AdSense stuff, right? Yeah. Like, you know, for my social media that I dream of building some day is like, I'll take that same thing and turn it to people's advantage. Not right. Not to you won't be selling them at riot. But, you know, I code, you sell them are all medication.

38:56 Well, what I think that be really appropriate to do is like augment the consumer model. So, like, you know, based on a person's core functions, right? So if they're trying to save money, but they're going to have certain things they're going to consume, then guide them to alternatives that suit their need that are cheaper, good. Right. Things like that.

39:14 And there's, there's all kinds of like things that you can do, start to reward, gamify, you know, saving, that type of thing. Right. Like, gamify it to where, like your financial future is actually gamified. That's neat. So your advantage. Yeah. You know, type thing. I think that's a good idea. And maybe set like signpost and goals.

39:32 Hey, you know, we're looking to. All right. So the ultimate goal here is your first goal. Save so $500 you know, and then yeah that and then the whole thing to like based on your age and whatnot, if you have someone in their in their 20s, early 20s and you've mentioned like gamify, you know, investing 20 bucks a week.

39:52 Oh yeah. That for that person because they've got time. Yeah. They're 40 years old. And they're like they're not worried about money. Right. You know, same thing. And on that kind of shit man. It'd be awesome to be all set people up for success just by, you know, helping them tweak their lives in tiny ways when they're young and they just do it, like, automatically, like an auto draft or something, you know, whatever.

40:12 Or you know, even their on this date in auto invest say what they earn on the platform. Yeah. Right. Right. That's the idea too. Or you know, when they do earn on the platform that helps them allocate that, you know strategically. Yeah. Not just like buy that, skin in that video game. Right, right, right. It's like, hey, hey, this is real money.

40:37 Here's what you can do with it. I mean, can you imagine? Because, like, there's a time in the future where items on Roblox, let's say, like go to zero value, right? You know, and there's like, I'd have to say without probably exaggerating in the billions at this point, money that's been been spent on, you know, digital items and games and so easily.

41:00 And so you have to imagine like, oh my gosh, the loss of value in the future is like, that's why I'm so screwed of this whole this really it's not the first iteration of the metaverse, but, first concerted effort by a multi-billion dollar globe spanning corporation to create a metaverse. Right. So what they're hoping for is that it gets engaging to where it peaks and like, all of a sudden, like, it's a common vernacular, like it's in the public now.

41:34 It's like it's common. Like, yeah, like pretty much just like you talk about googling something, right? Some some aspect of interaction on the metaverse becomes has its own verbs and yeah, had some words and then it's like, oh, go to saying like every family, at least every household at least has one Oculus type thing. And you know, that's what that's what Facebook is like dreaming for and salivating for.

41:55 Right. And then people are buying into every aspect of it, you know, spending their money in all kinds of ways. You talk about ethical investing. Personally, I think about what services I engage with and their ethical profile, too. Dude, the thing's gonna thing is going to fall on its face. I yeah, I hope not, not not because it's ahead of its time.

42:18 It's because it's not enhancing human nature, is it. It's a it's a reversion of human nature. And so people almost went the other way. Yes. Because the problem is right now, whether people realize it or not, like, not that I'm some kind of freakin super intuitive person. That is, that is on my Myers-Briggs. The highest score that I have, like my intuition, is 100% like it's maxed out right?

42:37 Cool. So I took my Myers-Briggs. I'm an Entp. And for my end, for the intuition. The little slider was like all the way, no nest. So, you know, that explains why. You know, a lot of things that I think of that are unusual. That I, that I assume other people like, you know. Well, don't you see this that right, right there, like, I don't know, because they don't have that.

42:58 They don't have that level of, you know, they're not putting things together like, yeah, I've like autistic levels, intuition. Like, I have. Right. But my intuition for this thing is that it's because people are like, have a bellyful at this point of the dehumanization of technology. And this is like the eating of three course meal, you know, or whatever, five, seven course meal, whatever, sir.

43:22 And then they bring out a whole cheesecake for you. Right. That's what this is. Is it? The metaverse is it's like the whole cheesecake. So good morning everybody. Yeah. So, you know, people are really full because, you know, all the stuff like you're talking about there and dating your privacy there. You know, Facebook's now track record, horrible privacy and respect for the users.

43:44 And it talked about it's obvious human beings. Oh we got so much bandwidth right. And so now all of a sudden, you know you're everyone's full. And Zuckerberg is trying to take everybody to a, you know, buffet right. You know he's like, hey, I know you guys have already given me everything you got, but give me some more.

44:00 Yeah. He's basically bleeding people. Right. Exactly. And and people are hungry for that, that, that reconnection with humanity and the metaverse doesn't do that. It does the opposite of that and disassociate you even more. But but in his fantasy mind, he thinks that it's going to bring that back. But in the digital space, no it's not. It's still a facsimile of real, out of reality in his autistic brain.

44:24 What in the morning, in his autistic brains, in his autistic brain. This this disconnection, this, you know, distancing all the. Yeah, the yeah, all of that he's thinks is the opposite. He seems to think somehow it is brain. I really do believe he thinks it brings people together. Whereas his version of social media distances people and creates silos and creates islands.

44:59 Right. Exactly. Good. Good morning. So, exactly. So why don't we fix that? Why don't we fix the like, you know, the 2D version, if you want to call it that first. Yeah. Of his Facebook monstrosity and how it, you know, and truly make that the platform that starts bringing people together for real. Absolutely. Right. Like the entire social media idea.

45:17 Like I'm trying to build now. Right? Right. And then when you mastered that, then move into the 3D. Yeah. Really though, bring what you learn from that into the 3D space. He put it on the opposite. Yeah. He's he's going for a land grab because he's like, look, I've got a massive war chest right now. Right. And I won't soon because people leave my platform in droves.

45:37 Right, right. And that's going to carry over because he's, he's now link Facebook platform with meta. Yep. That's the worst thing he could have done. Right. He didn't do a rebrand. He should have been a spinoff. It really should have and should have had a different CEO. Yes, exactly. Someone that and have that board of like philanthropy. Yeah.

45:55 You know have that have that board where you know, I don't morning where majority of people on the board or like philanthropies, technology experts, you know, all this kind of stuff and like celebrate that and building the design, you know, for this whole thing, not just like, look, my servants, you're all going to be wired in, and it's really how it comes across.

46:18 He's such an autistic asshole. He doesn't see it. And nothing wrong with the autism. It's just for some it's, you know, studying Krueger's, you start to think everyone thinks like you, right? Right. And they've lost sight of what the average person, the average user, you know, those they have shaped. Yeah. The society to the highest of degrees of probably any company in recent memory.

46:45 Thank you. Charlie is fundamental human nature. That's right. That's right. And the fundamental human nature of the people that have had high exposure and experience this platform now have started to realize that this is taking away from me, not I want that. I'd never heard that before. High explosion experience. They start there now, having this internal sentiment and intuition that this isn't helping them.

47:07 This is fact. Doing the opposite is degrading them. Yeah. And we've got umpteen studies out there that, in essence, say the more time you spend on social media, the more depressed you are. And by gosh, it should be the exact opposite, because in reality, the more time you spend socializing with people, the more happy you are in general.

47:24 Right? But instead all you're doing is, you know, being hooked up to the digital, milker. Right? Right. Right, right. Yeah. Digital milker. Perfect. Exactly. And you get milked from your for your attention. Yeah. You're getting attention milks. All right. Yeah. And then the content that you create that by the your posts, by your photos and all that is then just helping the platform.

47:47 It's grist for the mill. Right. And people get this like creepy sense that just like people that they knew from the past are now cyberstalking them, just keep up with their lives without having to interact with them. And which is happening totally, you know, and that's that's just doesn't feel good. You know, it's like it's almost like this reservation to post stuff on there sometimes because you feel like people aren't going to interact with it.

48:08 You know, people are going to interact with it in a consumptive model, not in an engagement model. Right. You're posting sometimes you're posting because you want people. You want genuine comments, interaction, understanding. Right. So like my my fantasy would be, I post a picture of Sue and I up there. Right. We're doing something. All right. We're going to bowling or something.

48:30 Right. Like so we went bowling, I'd say. Right. And so like my my hope, like when I post the vision in my mind, in the idea, in my mind when I post that picture of us bowling. Right, is that, first of all, like, it was fun and I wanted to share it with people. Right? Like that idea.

48:50 Yeah. But then also like, I don't want to see my hope. It's like in the perfect scenario, what would happen is like somebody I know from the past that knows us, that we've lost touch with, like, oh, wow, you guys look so happy. It's it's been so long, you know, I'm gonna give you a call tomorrow, right? Right.

49:08 You know, we're hey, I bowl at the same place. Let's meet up next. Yeah. Something like that. Right, right. But what it is, is, And then scroll past. So. Yeah. So it was just another, another part of the long feed that was just set up on it. It was just a blip, just a vampiric, you know, sucked away.

49:24 Yeah. It was just this, in aggregate, this tiny little piece of their ultimate dopamine hit from Doomscrolling. Right. And then conversely, then since you didn't get like that, kind of like, I guess wish from putting it up there, it's like a negative you like. So now all of a sudden you get a feeling even though it's not real, because it's just oversaturation, right?

49:45 Yeah. You get a feeling like, oh, my friends don't even care. Yeah, right. I took the time to download that photo from my phone and post it and write a comment here. But I think that's what most people's problem is. They think the platform's for something different than it is, right? Can't post looking for genuine interaction if you happen to get it to go with it.

50:05 But if you're posting and that's your main conduit for, interaction if you're posting and that's the main way you're trying to connect with people, right? Your fault. Yeah. You could be like psychologically really introverted yourself into a clinically, you know, bad way. Yeah. You know, like introversion to a certain extent is very unhealthy. All right. You're so some and people are getting that's I said that's what I exactly what I mean by people are full people who are full of this.

50:34 And they're pining for something different. That's right. They're pining for this connected experience again. Like to get to wake up and enter the world again, and now you're going to have to do it just right to cut through all the B.S., but it can be done. Yeah. You it's. What do you mean you got to do it just right.

50:52 You just do it. You do it under the guidelines of naturally what human beings need to be to push them or to encourage them, influence them to be more social. You give them a platform that can actually engage with it and get something of substance out of it. Exactly. Maybe a model such as you can only consume so many posts without replying to one of them.

51:11 Yeah, how about that. So like you can, you can only go so far when you're scrolling. It will limit you unless you engage. Yeah, yeah. Unless you have some engagement. What only can you do? You've looked at 30 posts today. How about responding to one asshole? Yeah, I guess I could. I guess it wouldn't necessarily have to, like, stop you, but it could throttle you right?

51:29 Start. Oh, man, that would be totally cool. And people intuitively see it's getting slower, Like they can't scroll as fast. Yeah, because you're getting you're consumptive. Like there's resistance while you're with your finger. Right. And it's. And yeah, that is really that that ones are actually already in my notes. You shouldn't throttles consumption is that it's like and it's completely transparent.

51:50 It shows you exactly why you're being throttled. Right. It's like because it's unhealthy to just consume post after post. It's there's no value. You're just sort of you're just continuously feeding. You're already full. Yeah. It's like and that's unhealthy. Anything right over indulging in anything is unhealthy. Yeah. You know, and conversely, that, you know, some of something that would ordinarily be considered unhealthy isn't necessarily healthy just because of the converse of that statement.

52:16 I've always like that idea is that people say, oh, there's a little bit of cyanide. It's good for you. Yeah. No, you know what? Like one beer isn't good for you. In fact, it's not. One glass of wine is however you can. There's things in the wine. Yeah, there's antioxidants in there that you're right, that offset the alcohol.

52:34 And the level of alcohol, combined with the positive chemistry of the wine, can have a health benefit, right? Whereas like, I'm sorry that that mug of beer straight is not. You're fucking taking our IPA from of a spoke. You know, brewery that makes small batch beer only once a year is not healthy for you. Well, wait a minute.

52:58 Maybe this exception. Yeah, I love that there's an exception to every rule, including that one. Right? Right. There are there are some things that are absolute, right? Yeah. There are and but they are very few. It's incredible. There are very few absolutes. But there are absolute. Yeah. Because ultimately every system has to be able to maybe this is a computer science is in us, but every system has to be broken down to first principles.

53:26 And so those are the absolutes. Agreed. Yeah. So like there are very small number of absolutes. In fact, they're hard to think of sometimes because it's really easy, because we're so caught up in that system as it is. Yeah. And it's and it's like when someone claims an absolute it's like it's almost like an intellectual challenge to refute it.

53:44 Yeah. So let's say so the absolutes are few and far between. But then you got what, Russell Whitehead and say, what's the name? Godel talked about that in essence and in the theorem here. No system has the tools to completely introspect and speak about itself. Right? Not even math. Right? Yes, yes, that's it's fun. You know, it's like kind of showing that that there's any chink in the armor, if you will.

54:14 Yeah. And that's why, like everybody that tries, any philosopher that tries to bring tries to like overarching philosophy, whatever overarching philosophies are, okay. It's just when someone tries to create a foundational, foundational set of tenets by which they then build other things on top of right. Inevitably, without going too far, it turns to a house of cards. Yeah.

54:35 And is there hold anymore? It's brittle, and, you know, the same would go really for any of our intellectual constructions. We you have to, we're talking about everything from programing to math. Yeah. And what, that the truth is really about that when you talk about, you know, moral rules and type of these things is that everything is on a gradient, right?

54:56 Everything is a statistical model, not a absolute. So you're not dealing zeros and ones. You're dealing with, you know, fractions. Yeah. It's always the world is analog not digital. Right. But our brains are made for choice. Absolute choice. Well yeah. But choice still could be, you know, if there's a 60% chance this is the better choice, then you've still made a choice.

55:18 Even knowing that that's not necessarily the best one. Right. And so our minds can handle that. Our minds can it just requires a little bit of dealing with some cognitive dissonance. Yeah. They might not like, think of that out of the out of the box type thing. Like, you know, that might not be the default that's built in, right?

55:37 But people can be trained to think that way. They can. And I think that's ultimately it is by default. I really do feel like we are more cut and dry choice. Yeah, I think you're probably right. I mean, I've talked myself into choices both ways. Yeah. You know, and I mean, this this goes into where benefit we benefit from being data driven.

55:59 Yeah. And you know, like you've talked about before in your own lot. Yeah. I've come to realize that if I'm going to be successful in any way, I have to change the factors around, not necessarily the direct thing. Oh, so so change the context in which something happens, right? Because you know me, I'm kind of in this camp of where, you know, increasingly where free will might just be an illusion.

56:23 Yeah, you know, type thing. Right. And so I know that you could really instantly argue that, well, if you're consciously changing the variables around you to change, then how you act, you made the decision to do that. Therefore you express your free will. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I get it. What I'm talking about is changing something because it's constantly putting data into my environment right.

56:45 So thing I think, I think being data driven and understanding your environment and the.

56:56 The limiting factors around it is a great thing whether or not you believe in predestination or right. You know, I agree with you. So let me give you an example what I'm talking about. Right. So like if you, go through, you say one room in your house at a time. Oh, you're kind of doing this and this hoarder person in your hand.

57:13 Yeah, right. You're helping out, right? So imagine this, right? So how I need to do it for myself. You saw my room. Shit. Did you know I don't judge that kind of shit? Well, but anyway. So imagine this scenario. You know, you take a room in your house and you turn that room into, like, just a totally different feel, right?

57:34 You started out with this idea of, like, you know, place is a fucking shithole full of dust and garbage and debris and fucking rat turd or whatever. Yeah. You know, and, it just became part of the normal environment. So your brain is constantly taking in the data of your surroundings. Okay. So like, that's unsettling to anybody. I don't care what.

57:55 Now, they might have learned to get used to it. Right? Right. They have, but it's still there. They have these mental blinders in place to tamp down the chaos. Right. But but but there's. What does that sound? Sounds like a crater or something. Somewhere. So someone's running a power tool at like six in the morning, yet it.

58:18 Oh, I think they actually are. Yeah. That's weird. So anyway, I'm going to get this point out is that, even though the person has grown accustomed to the environment, it's still it's still a, what is the word like anxiety producing environment to some extent. Right. Okay. Now they've learned to live with that and that's become that anxiety level has become a norm.

58:43 Yes. And they've learned to adjust to it. But the same would be true if they took away that anxiety. You see where they go through and they turn that space into like a clean, friendly, functional, comfortable space to be in more and healthy space to be in. Since this tolerance to chaos developed by degrees, I would wager to say the same thing must happen.

59:04 You must remove the stressor by degrees that one has to become dependent on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And so what I'm saying is by by manipulating all these things in the environment one by one, yeah, we can transform our overall, you know, kind of like unconscious experience. Oh yeah. It totally makes sense. Like it really does because I mean, you're in essence looking at feng shui.

59:28 Yeah. You're acknowledging Feng shui acknowledges that a space makes a difference in one's ability to think everything. Everything has a huge impact. And same with like how you dress and how the environment is around you is directly invokes or suppresses different things within you. Yeah, you're kind of like, the higher level version of epigenetics. Absolutely. Every single person has a different posture in a tuxedo than they do in sweatpants.

59:57 Right. And that tells you everything you need to know. Whatever culturally active dress where there is. Right? Yeah. I mean, albeit, you know, it's just randomly that way. It just came to be that way. But the fact is, is that that suit makes somebody act differently than they do when they're in swimming. Right? Right. Or like if you put on a military uniform and a flak jacket, have a different bearing, and I give you an aerosol rifle and I throw you onto a, you know, battle arena, right?

1:00:25 You're going to act that character out. That's what you're there for, right? Right. But that but that uniform helps you get into that role of soldier. And really that's that's what we have to think about. What is this top layer we're trying to produce. Right. And so the constant, the constant energy of consumerism that grinding people down, that consumerism, that hollow pursuit of things, seeing things has eroded us in this way.

1:00:47 And it continues to erode us in this way. And we've all just collectively learned to cope with it, and we don't even see it. We're blind to it. We have the blinders on and use it like, as you said, that term bitcoiners are. And it's not that it was a conscious putting on the blinders they came on because of it being so normalized for so long.

1:01:01 Right. And so that model was based around in the pot model. Yeah. That model is fucking our waistlines, fucking our brain chemistry. Fucking our humanity. Yeah. And it's been doing it for a long time now. And then you look at the effects, the net effect of our nation on this world. And it's hard to make a case that it's a good thing.

1:01:18 Man. Powerful. Yeah. Always good to add on some power. Yeah, I love it.