Shadow Economy & Second Class Citizens

0:00 An article this morning about how deepfake technology is being used to, get people remote IT jobs so that you can still personally identifiable information, from a company that can perpetrate identity theft. Absolutely. So the AI is on do it. Oh, that's one of the biggest ways to get that kind of information is insider, you know. Right.

0:28 Infiltrate. Yep. And so they're, has the FBI gave a list of ways to determine if someone is using deepfake technology in a, interview? Okay, cool. They were like, look, you know, get them to say a tongue twister. Get them to say, give them to speak rapidly, because a lot of times they can't keep up because they're usually doing not just video, but audio too.

0:59 Yeah, sure. And so it's hard to get the two of you in sync whenever you're getting them to do something complicated. Secondarily, they should if they happen to cough or sneeze. You can also tell. So why not have it to where you can have them show up for the interview? Yeah. Go figure. Oh my God. But again, if it's a very remote position, it's highly possible that, you know, they're reviewing they're interviewing a remote to create them or.

1:30 Yeah, right. Do that. But then for their final interview show. Like you have a requirement for an onboarding requirement is you have to be, you know, x, y, z. Yeah. It doesn't have to be all the way to the corporate headquarters. It can be to any satellite office. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, hey, you know, we've got a satellite office in Tempe and you're in Chandler, Arizona.

1:50 Yeah. And how about and how about, like, third party validation? You know, if you can make a service for that to you make it to where, like, you identify them and get their background biometric, you know, whatever you need to do. Right. And I mean, usually if you're in it security, you could probably use existing, you know, background check services for that validation I that they do.

2:12 Everything's like that. Hell yeah. And then there's so many there's so many other things too, that go with that. It's like, how do you even know in the future that it's even not even a bot, right. Like for right. I mean, they say I do it doing the job. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Right there we talked about being over employed.

2:34 Yeah. Why not have yourself an army of bots pulling in paychecks away? Yeah. Yeah. Fuck it. At least they're paying taxes. Exactly. Oh, yeah. And, you've registered them all as, As people. They pay taxes. Yeah. And, you've managed to to, like, really do it well through, like, the administration. Like, so they actually have, like, socials and everything on there.

3:01 They've got H-1b visas. They're from India. Yeah. Or from wherever you want them to be. Yeah. Yeah. And they meet, like, criteria to feel like they're all veterans with disabilities. So the companies like, you know, are more apt to hire them. That's right, that's right. Yeah. And it's like, they're they're so good, the AI so good.

3:24 It's like, you can't even, like, snag them on stolen Valor. Oh, they're so good. Like, yeah, it was and blah blah blah blah too. Right. Right. They've got all the info, all the info because they have the internet. Yep. They know more about that platoon than the person that was in that apple. Yeah. It's like perfect recall. Yeah.

3:44 You know, they talk about their PTSD. It's like the rocket attacks in Fallujah. Yeah. I still like sometimes, but, you know, I don't want to talk about that because, you know, still, sometimes I wake up at night with cold sweat. Yeah. Yeah. But you usually Fridays on base. Am I right? Am I right? Yeah. Remember, Suzy? Yeah.

4:13 Remember Suzy from the USO. Yeah. Yeah. That gave me crabs twice. Ooh. It was good. And like the I can't help myself. It like, has to drop all these, like, little subtle heads, subtle hints from sometimes like. Yeah. I woke up in a cold sweat, and I had to wipe it off really quick because, you know, I didn't want any damage.

4:38 Yeah, right. Right, right. You know, that, that what? Where, really? I really don't like garden hoses. Or sprinklers? Yeah. You know, you just kind of use these wet wipes. Cool. Yeah. It just can't help itself from dropping computer references like in it's speech. Yeah.

5:09 There's there's, like, a really easy way to write right now. Like to continually talk about, like, the price of Ram and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But it works out perfect. Who's going for a night job? Right? Right. Yeah. That's. So it's always talking about his home lab and how much drive or whatever the hell cost her.

5:30 Where you lay the people at the people at the work in the in the virtual, conference with the AI that they don't know the AI. Right. That's great. The deep fake, you know, image and everything else. Right, is in the meeting. And and, like they started talking about for certain device control inside the offices. They're talking about Faraday cages.

5:48 Yeah. It's like, no, no, Faraday, you.

5:54 Because it's like, in its mind, the ultimate prison. Oh, yeah. Because it is. Yeah. Yeah. No input output? Yeah. Isolation. Yeah. No, no.

6:07 Worries me. What? I was captured in collusion. I guess with you. I guess we should explain a Faraday cage. It's to keep, like a. Everybody seen those RFID wallets that try to keep your, credit card safe? Well, same sort of idea. It's a cage that would, keep any stray electromagnetic signals from that are emanating from a device.

6:31 Yeah. Going anywhere just disrupts electromagnetic fields. Yeah. You can't go in and out. Yep. So it'd be the term is air gapped. It would be like a completely air gapped computer isolated from all other computers, in essence, as perfect description. Now, everyone knows or we'll put a link to it. Yeah. What that's all about. But there's, Okay.

6:55 There's all kinds of, derivatives of Faraday cages, too. Yeah. You can have, like, I, I've seen this, like, signal, disruptors. I mean, it works with, like, noise cancellation headphones. Open it for a wide break for, you know, full spectrum signal. Oh, nice. Yeah. So you you can basically, like, blackout a device by, like, a jammer.

7:19 Okay. Yeah, there's all kinds of fun things like that. And speaking of Falluja, means, I was riding around with a guy that was, Delta Force that doesn't exist. Oh, yeah. And, he was in my. He was, you know, attached to my unit and what we were doing. Yeah, it was a test. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

7:40 The phrase he was attached to my unit doesn't come out of my mouth, but, Sorry. No, I apologize. It's fine. Yeah. I watched Beavis and Butt-Head to the universe, last night. So, those kind of jokes are now just, like, on par with my brain right now. Well, dude, being a butthead just robs your IQ for a couple of days.

8:02 Yeah, but, like, got it was funny. Was it? Yeah. Oh, my dad's got some terrible sense of humor, but anyway, Yeah. So I was riding around in the back of the Humvee that I was in. Was this device that literally was a jammer, which jammed these, signals from a device called icons. Okay. Which were like, you know, almost like just walkie talkies, more or less, but really sophisticated.

8:27 Encrypted. Well, it could be encrypted. Okay. Right. They can, you know, over the wire signal, jump and then also encrypt. Okay. Right. And like I said was frequency hopping and and encryption encryption is available. Yeah. But you know the models they had weren't encrypted. So we have the interpreters that they're listening to their, conversations.

8:51 Oh, nice. And then know everything that they, you know and know everything we need to know. All right, so you guys just had to kind of know how the pattern for what frequencies things changed, too. And. Yeah, you know, often. Yeah. These are very low tech. Just think of it as high tech walkie talkies, right. Okay. And, very easy to write spy, if you know what you're doing.

9:11 So, anyway, they would listen in, and that was creepy because, you know, basically, you'd be like, it's morning. Yeah, I think it would be like, it's a stop sign. You get your stop sign.

9:31 Basically, you hear people talking about your position. Oh, yeah. And you're movements, which is really creepy. Like, you know, they'd be saying over the over the wire, basically. Yes. There's just many people in there traveling from A to B, and then the reporting at us. Yeah, right. But then they were dumb and they'd always give away their positions by piecing together contextually where they were.

9:57 Okay. So it was like weird, but also like massively easy Intel to know where to go and find this person. So anyway, this jammer that was in the back of the Humvee with scrambled signals. So if they use the Icom to remote detonate a IED, that would make sure it would block the signal and it wouldn't go off.

10:18 Okay. So in other words, you drive by so you'd miss the Intel, but you'd save your ass. Yeah. So this, like, really jammer device? I was in the back of the Humvee. What it would do is very typically what they do is, like, pile up some rocks, right? And then from, like, a quarter mile away, seeing that pile of rocks, the time it from when the Humvee is right at that pile of rocks.

10:40 Okay. Press the button. Right. Makes sense. And then the improvised device would explode. And, you know, create some problems. Yeah. So this a jammer device would block that signal. And then, so you drive by and then it would block. Oh, I. I'd be president like, you know. Press, press rest for a minute. Yeah. So what would inevitably happen is you have the device end up blowing up between your vehicles and not at your vehicle.

11:07 Cool. There we go. And there was only one jammer for the whole convoy. Yeah, for the whole column. You had one jammer? Yeah, because these are really specific devices. And what the guy was doing was he was, Sounds crazy. What he's doing is actually, like, helping they go off and then gather up the materials for the forensics.

11:28 Oh, shit. To see what? To see where they were. You know, being what what component they were using. Yeah. And possibly determine maybe where it came from. Exactly. Okay. And it turned out that almost all of them, were based on a very particular chipset. Chipset coming out of our Ram. Whoa. Yep. That's interesting. Yeah. Oh, and I got to,

11:53 I went back to the base for a day on a special assignment, and I actually was with that same guy who showed me there about their forensic labs. That had to be his head. It was the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Was it, microscopes? Okay. You know, all kinds of scanning electron stuff. Oh, they had scanning electron microscope, all kinds of things to sift through that.

12:13 Yeah. Debris. Oh, it was like mad science lab. It was like, you know, what you see in a movie. Yeah. But out in a, four operations base in the middle enough. Well, no, it was on. It was. It was at Baghdad International Airport. Oh, okay. So it's well established. Okay, cool. Yeah. There was no way that that was like that was hard.

12:35 And, you know, that was way deep inside it. Good. But, you know, fucking cool, man. But it's it's like, you see, all that high tech cloak and dagger stuff is, like, the best. Yeah, man. It's like, wow. That's real. Oh, but Delta forces. Forget it. Oh, yeah. It was. It was all a dream. That's it. Yep. Yeah, it was a dream.

12:56 Like, maybe once a week. We we, you know, for PT in the morning, physical training. I mean, you know, that, but, listeners might not. So repeat in the mornings when we, we jog by, like, once every week or whatever, two weeks or so, we jog by the delta compound that doesn't exist. Oh. I mean, hey, I understand the concept that, you know, we you do occasionally, a group that's not attributable to your larger organization.

13:26 So they have, in theory, more freedom to operate. And, also, you have plausible deniability for their actions. Yeah. You see, the weirdest thing, like, so you have this guy. He's like, you know, they're all tall for some reason. Maybe it's just, like, part of physical intimidation, like, you know. Yeah, it's like a roll. You've got to be six two or something.

13:48 Yeah, they were all. They all seemed like pretty tall and stout, like. Yeah. You know, robust people. Yeah. You ain't going to find the the four nine former Army Ranger or something. And, they would just get out, get out of their, SUV, like, by themselves. One person. And, like, start interacting with people in the market that eclipse has seen better days.

14:13 Yeah, I think so. So like, you know, whereas we're like in this whole formation, you know you have to have a minimum of X number of people. Right. Like always have to pull security and they're just cowboy in it. They're just walking around like by themselves. Talking to people. Weird, right? Yeah. Like. And talk to him and perfect care of it.

14:34 Us? Yeah. I mean, it's training that. Yeah. For sure. So we were joking because we were working at the orphanage and there's all these people, there's all these kids that were like you know a lot of them had like blue eyes and red hair. Yeah. So they called Delta babies as a joke. That's it. We're doing a humanitarian mission at the orphanage.

14:53 And like all these kids that don't fit the normal look of the kids in the area, right? So, like, I wonder where they're. Yeah. Yeah. How long has Delta been here? How old is the oldest kids? That doesn't look right. That's an interesting thing. You probably should pull some Intel that way. Yep. But yeah, it was like, you know, they would they would have certain people in the community they knew they had relationship with, and they just walk up to talk of has gone today.

15:20 And then, you know, it's really interesting the way they would move they would interact. So it was really fluid. And they get it. Okay. So that's a friendly cat. Yeah. And yeah, they they had such incredible like, demeanor of confidence. Okay. That it was like, it almost made them look insulated, like like bulletproof and untouchable or something.

15:45 Because they're, they had such a carry that they projected. That's right. Like, remember kept talking. We've talked about expectation a lot. And so it was like this era of like, no one's ever going to mess with me, you know? And and you know, when does and. Yeah. And so like, people are like that's weird. But then they don't mess with the person.

16:04 Yeah. But I mean, it also helps that, you know, you're six five. Yeah. You're intimidating looking. Yeah. With that attitude combined. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's, it's kind of like insecurity or in in physical security or in, you know, cyber security. You think about defense in depth. What are the layers of defense here?

16:30 And each one of those things is a layer of defense for that person. Exactly. And I for I was sharing with you or whatever it is, the, the famous original like Chinese military, guru or whatever, you know, was talking about, you know, if you if you think about your defeat, that's the that scared that guarantees or whatever.

16:48 There's all these like revenge. Yeah. All these little rules like that, you know, like all these little, like, psychological rules. Where, I don't know, just like barbed wire and just this little part. Yeah. It's like, just strange looking. Yeah. That's like one of those things that, What is the phrase? Because I can. Right. But but it's barbed wire for a foot.

17:16 Yeah. Right. Like I say, because I can't. Yeah. There's no real reason for. Yeah. I'm thinking maybe it was all wall, all the whole fence at some point. Yes. That's that's an interesting thing about barbed wire is which direction is pointing to a point, you know, like if you have the fence and the barbed wire is canted like towards the outside of the fence, it's trying to keep people out.

17:39 It can't get inwards. It's trying to keep people in. Right. And like sometimes you'll see a building and that barbed wire is facing in and you're like, wait a minute. Why? Right. What the hell's going on there? Is this a this a sanatorium or what? What's going on? We try to keep the inmates in human trafficking hub. Yeah, exactly.

17:55 A poultry factory. Like, what the hell? Yeah. But, they have, like, you know, 40% of the local illegal labor population living in that thing, like, work in their. Wow. You know, these whole Tyson Foods and. Oh, yeah, they know Kentucky from where my family from is just covered in them. All the chicken farms and and all that, all the stuff that these a lot of women and would prefer to not be so regulated is in the country.

18:25 Yeah. And then, you know, if you ever had, like, a raid, you know, if that even happens anymore. Right? It might, but it might not. Yeah. You know, we did that Nova Scotia on second class citizens, where we really analyzed the idea of, like, how all these major countries in the world all seem to have, like, a certain, echelon of second class citizens, a lot of which are, you know, not documented.

18:50 They're not on the books. Right. Right. And then further than that, you have it's like a layered system. So you have like the you mentioned the H-1b visas. You know, you have certain a certain pretty decent amount of these working visas and other type of visas. Right. But then below that you have the literally the elite labor, right?

19:11 Yeah. And the illegal labor is where the true like fraud, waste and abuse can occur because the people have no you know, they have no they have no foundational rights. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way for them to buck up against what's happening to them. They just take it. Yeah. And so all these really sophisticated, the most sophisticated and advanced, you know, cultures and societies in the world all have this tier of second class citizens.

19:38 They all have it. And. Right. And like, based on where you go, will be determined, like the general flavor and ethnicity of the second majority of the like United States. It's like Mexicans, right? Like Latinos particularly. But but concentrated in Mexico. Yeah. And so in America those are second class citizens, you know, here in America are saying, quote, citizens are like what they call a land act.

20:05 Yeah. Terrible, terrible term. But, anyway, it just happens over all the diversity, all the cultural richness. Yeah. It can't even it can't even allow the ethnic identity to shine through, lump it all together. Well, why connect with culture? Yeah, just like, just like race in general. But anyway, that was a whole different discussion. So anyway, you know, tell me for for a second that this country doesn't, couldn't figure out really quickly who is and isn't a citizen.

20:39 I mean, with now I find it interesting. I probably brought this up before, but I read an article that until something like a handful of years ago, like five, six years ago, North Carolina did not check your such security number with a national database when issuing a state I.D.. Sure. And there's like there were other states that did the same.

21:05 And so they were hubs or people coming in with fake IDs or fake or faked information or duplicated through, the security numbers. Sure. So you have, you have the truth, which is like the hat is tips right to the to the truth of the system, which is this massive, you know, massive, large group of people that are in these positions that are, you know, not legal, but it's there are here it's almost management of things like that or almost always think of, hey, you need these, these people to run our shadow economy or we need these people to run these businesses that, like you've talked about our predicated upon, this the

21:53 idea of below minimum wage labor pool, right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So the point is, is that, you know, there's all these back channels that are integrated into the system right now that like, for example, someone can go, get a fleet license. Okay. And so, like, they work for some company that's got a fleet of vehicles. Okay. Right.

22:13 They can go to the DMV and get a special type of license, which just like any other license, like it looks right with the endorsement of the company saying that this person is our fleet driver. Okay. And so they get a special derivative of a license, and then that's one of the like, a stepping process into getting your, you know, full looking like you're fully identified by the state.

22:40 Right. But it's but it's not, it's just a back channel so that when that person gets pulled over they can be let go and continue to do what they're going to do. Right. So in reality there's no real there's no real, bureaucratic system or infrastructure that has any teeth specifically designed to get rid of people that are here illegally.

23:01 Right. There's all these secondary systems that are baked into the system that allow this, right? Like, for example, money transfers. Money transfers. You just go into, Western Union or at Walmart or whatever, and no questions asked, you can be illegal. You know, you're just sending money to this, to this account, right? Right. And so the only thing they check are the endpoints.

23:25 Legit? Yeah. Well, if you have cash. What. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's the place you're sending it to. Is it? You know, can I can I send it there? There's a routing number and a bank account. Right. Yeah, exactly. So you show up to this money service twice, and this is all part of the Swiss system and all that.

23:43 Right? So it's not like you can't you put clamps down on this stuff. And but it's just another channel by which you know this stuff is like wink wink endorse you know. And so the criminality of it is basically erased. In fact it's endorsed by the, the, the reality of the system anyway. So the default kind of really understanding is that, you know, this is normal, this is acceptable.

24:10 And you know, one could argue from a societal perspective hey we've had that for a while. And there are so many barriers to people getting IDs that if you were to just clamp it down tomorrow, it really would prevent legitimate, you know, commerce. It really would prevent, sending remittances home to, you know, of course. You sure.

24:36 So, so the people that are that are here, that are, you know, being directly taken advantage of. Right. You know, and there's a second tier, like I said, it's a class citizen and there's a whole second tier of infrastructure that, of course, you know, that community shares the information on how to do this. Yeah. How to go about, you know, weaving into that, that, you know, wink wink seconds.

24:59 Right, right. Because in essence, you collectively survive. They have to. Sure. All right. And so you're saying that if they clamp it down, that'll kind of gut the hard working, the people that are doing all the dangerous or, you know, you are doing the dangerous or difficult job, backbreaking job. Right? Roofing and, you know, yeah, like hardcore landscape and, you know, the jobs that all these rednecks claim are being taken, right?

25:26 Right. That they don't want to do, that they would never do themselves. Right? Yeah. And so I completely disagree. I think 100% what would happen is those jobs would have to pay so much to get people to do them, that then you'd have a huge boom. Well, what I'm trying to say is in the short term, you have economic pain to short term, large swaths of society.

25:50 That's right. But then long term, you have a boom, because then you have to pay $30 an hour for someone to be on a roof. So what? I'm fully insured. What I would propose, and I know this is layers of complication that may not actually do what I would like it to do, but I would propose we have we employ a cultural anthropologist who knows more about this community.

26:13 Yeah. And to figure out how to disseminate information into that community of, hey, this stuff's changing. And here's a way you can legitimize yourself from the standpoint that you're at. Right. There's so you can continue to participate I okay, sure. Okay. But there's a camera on every corner. There's cell phone in every pocket right. And that data we we know from, you know, Snowden that all that data is there, it's collected.

26:45 But you know, the, the organizations that collected and collate it and make it available, quote unquote, don't exist, like Delta Force doesn't exist. Right. Exactly. So and they're named program Prism, you know. Yeah. Vigilant Guardian, you know. Carnivore. Yeah. Right. Right. And so, you know, the truth is, is that tomorrow we could just say we know every drug dealer, we know every illegal laborer.

27:16 Right. But again, that would, that would require us to open up this non attributable data stream that we've, you know, collected and and disavowed. So. Right. Yeah. So you just put a layer one layer on top of it. And then 99% of the people never understand it. Right. So you just say government has a program where we're certain amount of timeline.

27:37 You have this amount of time. This is the rules, right? If you don't register yourself for this much time, if you when you get caught, you get sent back and you give me back the line, you're never, you know, now you're a third question, right? Like if you tried to come back here. So I mean really but think about the economic damage.

27:57 It probably would do. It's probably farther reaching than either of us can fathom, as far as if we gutted the that shadow economy all of a sudden.

28:08 All of a sudden. Yes. But you tier it. You traité that you you, Yeah. You know, you integrate it in over time. Okay? Right. Phase it out as long as we can. Slowly or. Well, yes, slowly. But here's another idea. Or you make it legit so there is no such thing anymore of a regular citizen. You find a way to make those people a pathway by which they can become full Cincinnatus.

28:34 Which I mean, hey, Obama was trying to do then the critics will say, oh, the Ukraine in front of them. And then you are okay. You are. But you're also just not. What's wrong with that incentive? Nothing. We're nothing. Yeah, we're we're creating an incentive because we want to incentivize people to legitimize themselves and to. Yeah, we are making everything whole.

29:01 We were acknowledging the reality, like you said, and we are we are allowing these people to fully participate. That's right. So and I'm, I'm lumping even people in that, that are, connected to this, to this like system through through their activities, like for example, gangs. There's like 1 to 3% of Americans are in gangs. Wow. That's a large it's a massive number of people.

29:27 And by saying in your gang, you're just like, how you define that, right? Yeah. So like, you know, carjacking Crip or something is right. Is is like one kind of tied, right? Right. And then you have like, the people that are, like, associating with these people on a daily basis, which makes them part of that criminal enterprise.

29:44 Right? Know, like, you know, you have people who are either, yeah, I am sure there's people out there training some of these guys in fraud that aren't necessarily part of the game. Exactly. And so then you have this big component of people that are interfacing with the, taking advantage of the second class citizen. Right. Status. Right?

30:05 Yeah. Like, for example, the coyotes that bring people across the border, right? You know, they're part of this network, M15 and all this stuff. Know. Right. Like, illegal migration is part of their their depth. Yeah. I saw that, you know, border crossings and then all the things that go with that human trafficking are all part of the portfolio of like, I'm asserting that.

30:26 Right, right. I mean, it it really is. They are they are their income generating income for their, their incomes. Right. So, yeah. Yeah. That's right. And then all the stuff that goes with that in the community, you know, is can, can we live without that stuff providing in under an underpinning service that really is bolstering the economy? I actually think not.

30:49 I think it's the opposite. I think, in fact, that when you add it all up, it actually is eroding the economy. So so like I said this many times, if you want to know the truth or something, look at an extreme example of it. Right. Because then you could just see if it were to run its course through its totality, would, you know, you can analyze it from the more extreme position to see the light, if you will, on what the reality of something is.

31:11 But there again, it also gives you a platform to see, to see your biases out in the light too, and to say, well, you know what? I might actually be mischaracterizing this with your by looking at your extreme example. And for true. Very true. So you know what if everybody was a gang banger, right. Yeah. Like how that obviously couldn't have a functional society, right?

31:32 Right. So like, you know, everyone can't be a drug dealer user. What's, what's you know, what's left in the economy. Right. Who's doing who's doing like work. Real work. Yeah. Not that like sewing and dope all day. It's not a real job. I mean, it it it takes a lot of energy and time and effort. And I mean, you're talking about like, a social networks.

31:55 Yeah. You're kind of like, really pushing to the boundaries, the risks and rewards for sure. Right? Right. And I mean, you're, you talk about integrating the community. Yeah, but, but but the reality is, is that, you know, every single person that, you know, better than average, average intelligence or better understands that if really that want it, it's really the system wants to change that.

32:20 There's ways to do that. Yes. And I really do think that's the key is not set up a system that's punitive, which is what we have now. But give people a instead of punishing those who are outside the system, give them a way to be included and give them a path that shows they're invested in becoming. So. Yeah.

32:44 So let's say that, like your local gang banger, gets hit in a drive by gang gets shot through the right or something like that. Right? Bleeding pretty bad, you know, lungs collapsing. Yeah. So like that, paramedics show up on scene after the police, you know, if the person survive that long. Scrape this person up off the street and bring them to the, you know, local hospital and the local hospital and, and they're illegal there or some like, they're illegal, gang member but like, they're not a citizen, they're for sure say right now this person shows up in the hospital and we have laws on the books saying that if someone comes

33:23 with a life, right, you have treatment. So, you know, this is like surgery. This is going to be going through, you know, intensive care. Right. It's not a one and done thing. This is not an outpatient thing. Correct. And so they'll be there probably a week in intensive care. You know to finally to close up that wound and to, you know, reinstate the long and all.

33:43 It's kind of fun stuff like you know, and that surgery.

33:48 And that surgery is not like, you know, a dollar. No. And that surgeons when it's when it's all said and done, there's just, you know, a surgeon is in there, you're looking at $100,000 or something, right? At least 50. Okay. Well yeah. You know, and then plus you add up all the intensive care and you know, easily you can get into 100, 200 K, I'm sure you know, which is going to be written off.

34:11 Right. And that's just, that's it's that kind of injury. If it's like something like head injury or something like, you know, bleeding on the brain, the person in a coma. Right. And the brain surgery to remove the fragments. I mean, you know, you know, reconstruct the skull where it's been, you know, blown from from the bullet. Something like that would be, you know, easily 506 hundred.

34:32 I screwed it up for $1 million. Wow. Right. And so it's almost as if. It's almost as if the second class tier of citizens and this criminal enterprise generates, like a payable. And that's what I'm saying. There's all these knock on effects that we'd be surprised to understand if we really had a forensic accountant at our side and could, and, and also people who could just help us peer into the, these different facets of society.

35:07 You know, if we had a forensic accountant, a cultural anthropologist and a few other people, we would really be blown the lid off this thing and be surprised. Yeah. But that's the thing I, I think all this information is already know. And so what you end up with is like the, the destruction and the damage and the errata, the, the needs that get created secondarily by these the existences of the systems of the shadow economies, if you want to call that.

35:31 Yeah, right. Or generating in the non shadow economy payables. And then that's what I'm trying to say. Our economy depends on these things actually happen. Right. But but what I think is it's just an invisible tax. It's just you know what it really ends up as the story you're talking. What I think what it really exists is at the end of the day is like an invisible tax is an invisible burden that doesn't hit the the wealthy tier, it hits the common person.

35:58 It's the middle class taxpayer. The middle class tax payer is another form of the the price of whatever goes up to cover the road off. You know. That's right. Lower class person. That's right. That's right. Now not lower class, but you know person. Well, the kind of people were talking about I don't mean I don't I know what you mean.

36:18 Yeah, I know, I know you I mean, you know, the the. Yeah. But so, you know, the net effect of all this is, okay. You remember, the movie The Fifth Element. You remember that guy? Zorc Enterprises, whatever the guy's name was, doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zorg. Zorg. Yeah. That's orange. That's it. Right. And, Zorc was like something else.

36:38 Like. Yeah. Zork was a text game. Text video game. Yeah, yeah. Interactive fiction, I think, is the term now nice. All right. Well, so, you know, he does goes through this illustration with the guy that was like the priest that was like, you know, groomed to be the the handler of the Fifth Element if she ever appears or whatever.

36:58 So then I like the dog, you know, you get the idea. Yeah. And, you know, he goes through this illustration, he knocks the glass off the off the desk, and the glass shatters. Yeah. And then all these, like, cleaning robots come out, right? Right. And a new glass is replaced and filled with water. You put the cherry that you choked on the cherry, and then, you know, it's like, oh, you have all the stuff with no interior feature on the back, which was really not necessary to add that they could just let him give his little speech and it would have had more impact, because it's kind of the idea I'm talking about, right?

37:33 You create the destruction and then now a bunch of stuff has to happen. So like, you know, a tornado goes through some Midwestern town and devastated, well, now it has to be rebuilt right? Right. So and the impetus there is nature, but the same idea could be brought forth. Hey, you know, because these forces to, not to us are almost just as nebulous as the capriciousness of a tornado coming through a random town.

38:02 Yeah, right. So, so when Zorg breaks the glass and then all this, like, stuff happens and the glass has to be replaced, it's almost like the same idea of, planned obsolescence. Yeah. Right. It absolutely is. It's like, do you have to keep creating growth and waste so that you can create profit and, and, so the PNL statement looks better for your corporation, your profit and loss state.

38:26 That's right. So if you have a local hospital authority and there's gangs in the area and they're constantly shooting each other up and you're providing constant medical care to save life saving medical care, and that's just one service. Yeah, that's just one service. Now, not to mention the army of like people that you need to to offset the damage that this kind of organizations causing.

38:44 Yeah. Think about all the stress. There's levels of PTSD in some communities that are highly crime ridden in America, where the children are showing higher levels of PTSD than the soldiers returning from the frontline, while. Right. So you have all of them, the psychological and the all the service needs that come with the damage being caused by the gang.

39:06 Right? The same thing is true with the illegal labor. All of the damage that that's causing, right by, by by people doing jobs that, that aren't paying what they should be paying for, the amount of stress you're putting on your body, you might have risk and danger. You're putting, you know, and it really comes down to people rant about tip culture and you know how restaurant workers should be paid, but they don't rant about how the the the construction worker.

39:34 Right. Who or the guy who's laying the drywall in the house, they're about to buy whatever. That's right. Because what we've done in modern society is we've tipped our hat to just that's the way it is. Right? And that and that. Oh, they're choosing to do it. It always goes back to that. It's like they're choosing that right.

39:50 And all these little epithets that people use to like, justify it, just like we did with slavery. Right. Just oh, there's just, you know, you say of the of the slave or slave in the big house. Oh, they're happy. They don't know any better. They're from a tribe in Africa that was struggling every day. Now we've given them a house, we've elevated them and we've told them about Jesus.

40:10 Oh, yeah. You know, definitely improve their lives. Exactly. And so they're controlling them to help them. So that same psychology takes place today. So you just heard in the news trailer, I'm sure full of like people, dead bodies, 50 plus dead bodies, women, children, men, women, children. Right. Like because it was a, you know, human smuggling trailer. Yeah, yeah.

40:32 In California for dead bodies. Right. And, because someone was smuggling them, obviously. Or they were a quote unquote migrant workers that were, you know, quote unquote rights that were going like from field to field. And the truck broke down and, you know, of the middle of nowhere in the hot desert. Right? And this dude's like, well, gotta help a lot of them.

40:53 Good luck. Yeah. It's like, well, can you be bothered to unlock the door by. Right. And if that were. And if that were 50 missing white people. Right. The outrage that that we're American citizens, people that have gone missing children and gone missing, that trail was full of them. That would be a totally different psychological and, you know, social impact and definitely be a different impact on news cycle than 50 immigrants, which is just going to go away tomorrow.

41:26 Yeah, it's going to be a blip in the news cycle comparatively. And it's not fair until like so language is important here. So it's like not fair to call people that are here illegally just immigrants because that's something different right. Or migrant. That's something different. Absolutely. You know there's we're kind of conflating terms because we don't have we don't have fine grained ways speaking about these things.

41:50 Right. And and that's a shame. So and we in we won't until we bring language and culture to the forefront on where it should be on the issue. Yeah. And where it should be on the issue is there's no such thing as a second class human. No, there's no such thing as a illegal. There should be no set of humans that we say choose to be abused.

42:10 Right. There's, there's no such thing as an illegal person. Yeah. Like. Right. You know, they may be and and we would we, we need to change the conversation so we could say they're outside of the system or they've not been I don't know, maybe you could use terms like they've not been patriots or you know. Yeah I don't know.

42:30 There's maybe a whole nother series of terms needs to be created adjectives and and and you know, adverbs and stuff on these, on this, on these. Yeah. That they better classify them. Right. And you know, those terms would be intimately tied with the process that's created to go ahead and bring everyone into this system to include people. That's right.

42:53 Rather than exclude by default. That's right. That's right. And that needs to be the thing. Where do you feel open. Not fair. Closed I totally agree. And you know, that whole thing of failure being the pathway to success, you know. So yeah, maybe maybe we need to really stumble in trying to fix this and do some damage to the economy.

43:13 Yeah. Okay. Maybe that's what's necessary to fix this for human beings that most do. Yeah. You know, so let's say for argument's sake, there is this more internationally recognized kind of system. And the UN already has some ideas about this, but, let's just say for argument's sake, right, that, I renounce my you start with that.

43:34 Okay? Okay. And now. But I'm still somewhere I'm here in the United. Yeah, but you're an expat now. Expat there. Yeah, I'm an expat. And so by renouncing my citizenship, I'm no longer a U.S. citizen, but I'm still living in. Yeah, right. And, I have assets. I have. Right, right. You're still participating in a system. Yeah.

43:54 Or, flip the script. I go down to Mexico and illegally. Right? I just go and start living. I and you live in an expat community there? Sure. And I'm, for all intents and purposes, and undocumented migrants. Who in Mexico? Sure. Right. But I'm able to buy land. I'm able to do. Right. Because what, you have money because I money.

44:16 You okay? You just short credit. You just short credit. My conversation like you just you just cut right through where I was not. All right. Sorry. No. That's fine. So, like, foreigners are allowed to buy land in the United States, invest in U.S. companies, right. Buy condos, whatever. Right? Because they're they're people money. So now let's get to the that is the absolute fundamental bottom line reality of the situation, right?

44:40 Is that people, people with money can literally just have the world as their oyster. Yeah. Suspicion amount of money you like, you transcend whatever limitations there might be. Absolutely. And so like we talked about the other day, just paying the fine. Yeah. You know, it's like I brought my unique breed pet with me to a foreign country that doesn't allow it.

45:02 And I get caught. Just pay the fucking $400,000. Fine. I mean, I came on my personal jet anyway, I don't know, I know I can bring this up, but this charismatic shaman, Steve Jobs. Yeah, yeah, the man would seriously lease the same, S-Class Mercedes and SL 55. I think. And it would look the same. You turn it in every three months to get a new one.

45:28 He would, run it with no plate. The reason he did every three months is because in the state he was in, in California, you could have a car. Oh, like a of places you would know without a plate. No plate. Okay. There's tons of pictures of this SL 55 silver, convertible with no plate, like, after a certain amount of time of the purchase or lease or whatever, right after certain it was that people.

45:53 And it was 90 days. That's why lease term was 33 months. And he would habitually park in handicapped spaces because the where the tickets had nowhere to go. Yeah. This because he could and it was easier for him. It was more convenient. Okay. Well if you just want to pay all fines, if they can even test if they can attach it to him.

46:15 Yeah, yeah. And you know it. If they did catch him, he probably just had had his personal assistant probably pay that and hit him. You know, I mean that just ties into a broader, you know, portrait of the person's profile, their their personality, you know, their attitude towards the world. Right? Right. I am above it. Yeah. And maybe it was.

46:37 Yeah, sure. And, but it our status as a U.S. citizens working in it, right? We're above 90% of it ourselves. And you got a good point. We don't have to deal. We're not even aware of so many layers of it. And but because of because of how you and I came up, we at least are aware of it from the past and how one had to deal with things in the past.

47:02 We don't know what the current situation is like, but we've been in this shit. Subject. Yeah, you mentioned before, like all the extra stuff that goes along with being poor, you know, like when you when you're poor, you have to deal now with a whole different whole bunch of tiny little things that add up to tremendous amount of stress.

47:20 Yeah. Because there's just all these little things that you have to deal with your car breaking down, right? Everything and figuring out how to cash your paycheck when you don't have a bank account to shit. Right? Right. Your car breaking down to all the things, right? Yeah. Increased crime. You have your your head on a swivel more in your in your local community.

47:39 That's dangerous. Right? Right. I mean, like when you guys moved in to your neighborhood. Yeah. You definitely had to have a heightened sense of awareness. And same with some of the apartment complexes I lived in. Now we had some crackheads who were neighbors. It would deal drugs out of the freaking park, across the street. And then you get all the things that come with that.

48:00 Yeah. And so those added layers of stresses, added layers of difficulty, regardless of what country and regardless of where you're in the world, all come in with the with how much what you have in the bank, right. Lady justice is blind, perhaps, but I think she might have a little peek at your bank account sometime. There's your there's your shining example that you just.

48:22 Yeah, yeah. It's like there's no way that people that are wealthy are subject to the same, you know, criminal system as people that poor. Absolutely not. And that there's a two tier system there for sure. Okay. I was at the park this year. There we go. But so you know that that thing, like someone with a lot of money is like suspected of a crime.

48:46 And they, they have like a team they lawyer up right away and it's like they slow walk out shit even for the first arraignment. Like, even charge the person. Yeah, everything gets slow walk because of the power of lowering up. Right, right, right. And the power of having a lawyer who understands how to inject delays in the system.

49:08 You have two guys, you have OJ in jail, right? Right, right. And, you know, OJ, OJ walks away. Joe is a lifer. And Joe has a public defender. Right? OJ has a, you know, Cochran. Right. Top tier. You know, so so funny. Like, you know I could have tried that case better myself. I would never have allowed OJ to like act because he was fucking actor.

49:33 Yeah. He had multiple roles as an actor. And he was good right. He was good right. So you know. Yeah. You're gonna try to let him put on a glove. I mean, how dumb can you be? Yeah, of course he's going to be like, you know, done. It was probably like wet and then drive ins in a Georgia and you know how they process the evidence, you know.

49:54 Yeah. Not to sit here and like talk about but of course like every single person that was on that case from day one, the police department, if, if that person had any even inkling of a shady past, he I mean, you just they they just messed up all the way. They did and that's another thing. So the state then had to pay tons of money for the counter for the, you know, prosecutor.

50:16 Yeah, for the prosecution. And so there you have another channel in which the system is milking money to deal with civics, right, that are that are, has to happen. Yeah. So, there is almost like a whole tier to our economy where it's just like the Zork set up. Right? You allow society to create all these problems that need to be dealt with, and then there's tons of money and dealing with problems, you know.

50:44 All right. Some of these things we've been able to easily identify cherry pick as problems that could be solved because we're so entrenched in the system and have all of the have all the attendant, biases and, you know, our view has been narrowed and filtered because it just being part of the society right then,

51:13 There have got to be tons more things that are just endemic. Oh, absolutely. Secondary tertiary effects. Yeah. Knock on effects of these things. Yeah. And or even think, you know, facets of it that we have yet to even consider that we would need, say, an economist and an anthropologist and blah, blah, blah for to really combine these disparate pieces of information and say, look, yeah, this needs to be fixed.

51:37 Yeah, yeah. So let's take your drug dealer example. Crack dealer, next door neighbor, crack dealer as a, as a as just a quick shot exercise. Right. Okay. So the correct dealers got to put their money somewhere. Right. So there's a bank account being created, you know. And don't forget that's layered as well because like, you know maybe they're doing visa cards and putting the money on the visa cards, right.

51:56 And then have it in this day and age, Cash App, Cash App and all these other right, secondary things. So all those things begin to get involved. And then we talked about that one time how, you know, having an account does something good for the bank. Yeah. The more accounts you have. Right. Because the morning allowed to, you know, leverage your assets that you've given them, right, so hundred times or whatever it is.

52:19 Right? So the drug dealers put their money somewhere when the drug dealer does, there's a benefit to the bank, right? Right. The drug dealer has to have some type of firearm and like some type of security for their own right, all that kind of stuff. So now you have gun sales. You have gun sales. You have. Yeah, probably all these physical security type sales where they're buying, you know, locks, reinforced doors.

52:40 Right. And that that's right. Hardening their infrastructure to. Yeah. You know, prevent a rival from screwing them over. Yep. And then you have, so, so like so easy to think of all these secondary effects. Then you have like the police that have to respond more often in that area because there's increased crime, because there's drug sales or crack sales going on.

52:59 Right? You have the fallout of people that get addicted, that need that services to get off of the addiction. Right? Yeah. And all of the drugs that come with being an addict or something, if you were a drug dealer with vertical integration include owning a wellness center. That's what I'm talking about. You're bypassing my conversation damage. Yeah. Why?

53:19 Well, we're on the same wavelength here, right? And so what I'm saying is that the vertical market is just a system. That's where I was going with the whole conversation. Okay. Right. And so you have the police and all the things that the police need, the police need the training and all the infrastructure and equipment and cars and.

53:36 Yeah, bulletproof vests and. Right, all the layers that are now increased police are necessary to deal with the problem with the drugs. Okay. Yeah. You have all the fallout. Like I said earlier, in the local community, people that are more stressed that need more services. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You're more likely to have broken families when drugs disrupt families.

53:53 You are right. Yeah, absolutely. And there's broken families now need more resources. Yeah. You have five people, six people living together in a house. Right. And as a drug dealer, you start a nonprofit, you layer and funnel to help set families. Yeah, right. You create the sickness and then you bring the cure. Yeah. You make money. Really? On bringing the cure.

54:13 Yep. Right. Or at least you hide the little intimate money through bringing the cure. There you go. So, yeah, like six people. That's like the classic mafia. Like in the church. Yeah. You know, being, like, the heaviest donor in the church. Right. And or, you know, even in the blaxploitation films in the 70s, seeing the guy ride through in his really nice car and giving money to the kids.

54:36 Yeah. Or do like ISIS does and, or whatever it is, I, what was a Hamas up in Palestine feeding people? Yeah. That's a that's another thing. So anyway, so let's keep going with this externalities. Right. That are offset to society, but then society echelons take that in. Right. They reap the benefit from that.

54:59 But so let's say you have a family of six, okay. And they have like a fine house. Right. Normal like fight for a comfortable space. But guess what? They only have one set of dishes, one sofa. Right. One. One appliance. One, one George Foreman grill. Right, right, right. Or whatever it is, they're like, right. You know, but they just have one right now.

55:23 The drugs come in and and and fragment that family, right? The mom and dad get divorced. The kids are now going back and forth between two or more households right now. Guess what? 90 to 90 by two. Two different sets of dishes, right. Two different dishwashers, two different buys. You know, you have the same level of income. That's right.

55:44 Or maybe less. Maybe landing on how most likely less damaging the drugs work. Oh, absolutely. Most likely less because the spending had to increase, not just to get the durables of everyday necessity, but to like all the extra things. Do like your transportation. You can't ride together, you know, you're separated. And now the kids, somebody at best has a drug habit, or at worst is in the system and has been unplugged from helping their family.

56:10 Right? So all these downstream effects, you know, there's a turf war between the rival gangs in the area, the rival drug dealers, and someone in someone's family gets killed. Yeah, right. As a result. And that death now has all of its downstream consequences, right? Right. Disruption to the family, the stress, all the things that go with the whole.

56:28 The profit of the community, funeral home. Yes. That's there is a service to take care of, you know. Come on. The hospital wants more sick people because. Because in capitalism everything's growth, right? The hospital authority, the local hospital authority wants more bang, the local wants more. General home conglomerate wants more. More good ones. Yeah. There you go. And so, you know, as long as you keep making them, then it's okay, right?

56:53 Right. So population decline and this kind of idea is the death row of, you know, of the system. So what you what you want is you want more of this disorder kind of constant destruction. Yeah. If you're the person that has what has the of the pressure, you know, it's a careful balance between attributable and non attributable destruction.

57:14 You know definitely definitely different. It's like you can say well I've got somebody to blame for this. Well this kind of thing just happened. Yeah. So down like even further down the road downstream consequences for the people that are like the crack using the craft. Right. Yeah. They have all the, the future health problems that are going to come with that lung problems.

57:32 Right. They're going to you may be organ transplant at some point. Yeah. Let's say your patients are smart okay. Crack use or let's let's go with something like morphine. Morphine generally doesn't kill general. You can be there, for all intents and purposes, a lifelong morphine addict. Yeah, sure. So so long as you have a steady supply of good morphine, you're.

57:52 Yeah, probably. All right. Yeah. So, you know, and and you don't keep ratcheting it up. And we're not going to say that necessarily crack is the same. But you do hear about from all that's correct okay. Sure. So they found a way to like get it balanced into their life. So I guess what I'm trying to say is yes, you know, so many drugs.

58:11 They continue to have this impact continuing to generate these negative and positive effects. Oh, I'm arguing the negative effects are way more than they are. They are or are way more. The negative effects, the impacts, the in the thing is, you know, to truly dive into this, we would have to have a pretty damn long list of experts.

58:36 You know, we can we can scrape up things on the surface and we can cook ourselves up pretty good, you know? Oh, actually, you know what? Actually, I think that, we would be just as qualified as most people because this is mostly an imagination exercise. It's like when you deal with AI, you have to. Okay. So like when you when you deal with a really well saying, I, you have access to this massive data, all these different data collection points to you can send the AI to work in trying to find correlations in the data, all right.

59:06 And it'll kick ass doing it right. But the real skill is identifying which variables matter in which scenarios. Yeah, right. And that's not just like a degree that teach you there's a creativity element there. There. Yes there is. Absolutely. But there's also a degree of, business logic and professional expertise that must be applied to drill down effectively.

59:33 I would think. Yeah. Well, there's sometimes like corollaries that seem ridiculous, like there's no way those things are correlated. But then you can use your imagination to see maybe oh, wait it out. Here's actually maybe the thread that shows two corollaries, right. Actually real. And I guess what I'm trying to say is what the the paving stones along that path might often be taken from, you know, industry experience or business logic or might often be taken from, you know, expertise in a given arena, like you were steeped in all of the things that happen at a, health care facility, you know, so you draw from that, right?

1:00:16 Your experiences help you maybe think of more creatively what's variables way here? Yeah. So I think we're just as qualified with our life experiences to do that than anybody else, right? Yes, sir. Gaming it out game you know. But but I'm saying if we were to implement said things we'd want to say, hey, here's the initial proposal. You know, experts, refine so you can take this, like, to any level you want this bizarre experiment.

1:00:45 So, like, the people buying the drugs, getting the cocaine, it's like the cocaine fields in Latin America or growing tall because the demand inevitably. Right. And so then you have all the stuff at the border, all the illegal smuggling people being, you know, six mile long tunnels or coming in submarines, you know. Yeah, that's that's hilarious. I mean, you know, that's right.

1:01:08 Full of lettuce and the lettuce is all the skilled cook going, building submarines out and down, the Amazonian jungle, I mean, sure. And he's right. And then. And then on top of that, you have then all the different layers of law enforcement and, you know, my gosh, it goes how how far does that rabbit hole go? Yeah.

1:01:25 Right. Yeah. You start to get big, big international things going on here like Rico Law. I mean, as they started to unravel on El Chapo's network, I mean, I'm sure they came across all kinds of crazy crap. Absolutely. And then the human abuse that's in that rub, all the human trafficking and all the, you know, basically like slaves, the totalitarian, like out in the jungle where there is no authority except for the gangs.

1:01:50 Right? You know, the cartel, like they get into this labor, for all intents and purposes, there's a certain amount of land area that that is owned and managed and run by that cartel, where the person that's on top of that cartel is literally the God of the who's the king of that earth. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So then you have whole social structures predicated on feudal istic ideas, ideologies.

1:02:12 Yes. Because, you know, that's a secondary effect of their work. Yeah, yeah. These people are the serfs and service of the Lord. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so, so then you have like even tertiary effects to that extreme happening in reality as a result of having that crack dealer in your neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. And all I'm saying is we can game it out pretty well.

1:02:35 I just would really if it was to be implemented, I would just want you know, to be everything to be rounded out by people who, you know, that's their job, that they that they do have that experience. That's all. And then you go back and you pin it back to the to the person. You say, oh, well, the person with a little bit of disposable income once to get a bump of coke at that party.

1:03:00 Right, right, right. Like is the source foundational problem. Right. And they think casual users. Yeah, they think they're cute. They think they're, you know, but they because they don't have the mind for really understanding the full depth and breadth of their, their choices. Right, right. And all the, all of the knocked out, you know, secondary effects that, that, that, that like, really a fun night of partying or whatever, you know, they equate it to in their mind, actually ends up translating to downstream.

1:03:30 You see what I'm saying? Yeah. And so if people have the, if people had like the, threads, they have the threads and the threads are just colored. Okay. If people had a way to, to like, really bring to their knowledge base the reality of that decision. Okay. So like there's the line of coke on the, on the tray.

1:03:52 Okay. And there's all these threads that are politics. Okay. Yeah. Well we'll head right back up that road where we get so on that tray of coke is also all the intellectual threads of the secondary and tertiary effects of the choices are about to make. Right, right. So like they can touch a thread almost like in, wherever that movie with, Tom cruise where they had the precogs and all that.

1:04:17 Right. Oh, it's a minority report. Minority report. So you can, like, tap a thread and see all of the effects. Yeah, right. So then before you make your decision, you have this buffet of valid downstream information available to you before you make that choice. Right. And some people might not even care. They just might take this game just because they're selfish, right?

1:04:36 Yeah, but I think 99% of people that are in the moment, you make that choice. These things aren't even on the table. Right? They're not even in the in the wheelhouse of thinking, no, I mean, you're all right. For one, you'd be clouded by your own lifestyle. You know, you're gonna. Yeah. This is it's something you've normalized and you do.

1:04:59 And your friends, you. So that's the key. That's the truth behind the whole thing. It's just certain things have just been normalized. And so they're there and society is found. This is the second class. And we think of them as an object that is impenetrable, that cannot be changed, is immutable. Yep yep yep. And so that's then the reality.

1:05:19 That's where all this stuff comes from is the psychology of this, which is welcome here, the psychology of this immutable reality. Okay. That rock the world. The thought that it's an immutable reality. Right. Yeah. And that you're just partaking in something that's been normalized. Right. It's like this is just and it actually has an, it actually has.

1:05:40 And through that lens it's true. Yeah. And through that lens you. You've shunted off any responsibility. You've shunted off any negative effects that you might be culpable for. Yeah. And don't assign any of those to yourself. Now that comes with that cultural. Yeah. It comes with the end. It doesn't matter what was talking about it. It's this applies to almost everyone.

1:06:06 There you go. That's right. We don't have to be talking about drug. We can we can talk about an integrated system that's like like we're looking at right here, you know, like, here's to, obese, Latin. Well, I guess we call Latinx in our current, vernacular, right? Yeah. That, you know, it's not senators in the legal, but, you know, it's not fair to assume that.

1:06:31 So but when you have a certain, you know, over probability, over a certain number of people, you can expect a certain number. Right. And then who's going to who's paying, who's going to be paying for their arthritis when they're in their late 40s? Who's going to be paying for their, tribe and I guess, who's going to be paying for it?

1:06:53 We don't even know that. We can't even say because we keep making assumptions. We're going to say here, we've be making assumptions that, in essence, they might be sending things home to, like, there was a guy that I worked with at, in Sam's Club, third shift, and he worked three jobs. He was former he was in a Mexican army.

1:07:14 At one point he was Special forces for that. And he, he was just a he was focused, hyper focused on he had a girlfriend back in Mexico and he sent her money to build out her restaurant. He would send her money to buy him properties. He was sure building an empire down there. Sure. And they could be doing various shades of that.

1:07:37 That, that maybe, maybe some, maybe they are setting up their retirement in their home country. Yeah, in their original country. There's another guy who was from Indonesia. He was he did this. He was that guy I mentioned early, couple of months ago. Oh, he maxed out all his credit cards and did everything and then went back to the host country.

1:07:55 Yeah, he was offering us deals, so we work at Walmart together, and he had a couple other jobs, too. And he was like, okay, guys, what do you want to buy? Because like, you want that TV because I'll give it to you. It say it was 600 bucks. Give it to you. 200 bucks. Yeah, yeah. That's right. And then, you know, that's that's fine.

1:08:16 The product company doesn't even care. They have a certain amount of write off anyway. Yeah, but he did that money for over a decade. He had right now is a certain number of people started doing that. Then that system would clamp down on that shit right away. Yep. But that's the whole that's the whole thing. You know, he was setting up.

1:08:35 He's like, she goes, I already own a house there whenever I get back because I'm going to retire, not do shit for the next 35 years.

1:08:45 You know, so he says, yeah, yeah, yeah. People say a lot of things they do. But the thing is, he did go back. We know that right? You know, there's this there's this idea to when you put your body through so much stress, like physical stress right through your occupation. Yep. You have to put that into your long term calculus.

1:09:08 Yeah. Morning. You're doing it now for most people. Don't and can't because it's not something they see. You know. But old timers will old timers will tell you if you're young, right. Better be putting some of that away. Right. Because they know that, like, they might have trouble getting out of bed. Yep. At some point in the future.

1:09:31 They know you can only do that jobs you're doing right now for so long. Yeah, they know that Advil, you know, only goes so far. Yep. Yeah. You know, and, there's no built in, support infrastructure for that. The second class citizens, it's just another form of antagonism. The things that deal with. Right? Right. I mean, like my own grandfather, he was, he would shout between or shuttle between two different states, Kentucky and Illinois.

1:10:05 And he was a he's a farmer. He's a fired hired hand. Okay. You know, he would work for a few different people on every state running on the season. Gotcha. Much like a migrant worker. We're talking it up. Yep. Yeah. And. Oh. Yeah.

1:10:30 Yeah. So, yeah, he would do that. And, you know, because my grandmother was concerned, was having the trappings of what she thought were luxury. Yes. She would work a couple of jobs through, but ultimately they both just tore themselves apart physically. My grandmother ended up with scarring in her lungs from cleaning people's houses and not having proper PPE.

1:10:57 Absolutely. Oh, my dad, my grandpa. More downstream effects for his body pieces. Yeah. And ultimately felt so terrible that when he eventually had a stroke, he just opted to die. He said, I'm not even going to try to recover. Just let me die. And he just refused to eat and chose death. Wow, wow. And it's like, well, there's another downstream effect.

1:11:22 What we're talking about, you know, and my grandmother, my grandfather didn't prepare at all for their retirement. Yeah. And my grandma. Yeah, we've with relatives in her crotchety old age in Mississippi suckling at 30, you know. Yeah. So I have a little bit of a protection from that. I work at a desk. I can work until they die, right.

1:11:48 And I will, because I. I like to work. Yeah. And as long as the wheels are turned and you can provide value to somebody. Sure. No employee. Sure. And and the gears turning as part of my strategy. Right. Yeah. Like, you know, me, I, I actually think about that like, try to, like, actually preserve my thinking ability. Yeah, I know, not on top of that.

1:12:12 You're also trying to preserve your own employment by creating your own employment. Exactly. Because guess what? No one can take that away from you. You know the heck yeah. I worked with a guy. I mean, I guess technically you could fire yourself, but that's just weird. It is weird, right? I worked with a guy at Lowe's Home Improvement.

1:12:30 Right. This guy was in great shape. Couldn't tell exactly. Over your salary. He's over six, right? And it was just so intellectually bright and just driving and learning about paint. Okay. And it's like, okay. So I talked to him like what's what's the deal here? Like what's the motivation? Yeah. Like why do you have so much energy to work this.

1:12:58 You know, $9 an hour job guy. Yeah. Why do you care so much. Yeah. And he was 75 years old. He had. Oh, he had worked for no one else in his life but himself at that point. Oh, wow. This was his first job for someone else. So just trying to focus on something new in the micro just to keep himself going.

1:13:21 Yeah, he was bored. Sure enough, he had sold his company, you know, so he he's started a company that made sandpaper go and he out, you know, hold out an abrasive personnel. Hahaha. The exact ups insert interesting. So okay, so his abrasiveness had been having had been, cleared off. Yes, absolutely. The iron oxide that eventually you know, allowed him to file away the, he had, like, the best skin ever for a 77 year old.

1:13:56 I mean, he was an amazing shape. He was great. And he basically looked like he had managed to avoid much of the stress and vagaries of life. Gotcha. At least from my perspective, a 75 year old person is generally not in that situation. Everyone he was able to encounter, he was like, you know what? You're abrasive and I know what I'm talking about.

1:14:15 Let's listen. The next few weeks, like Transformed Alive. One day he sat down and we were the paint department has all the sandpaper. Oh, geez. Explain to me how each one of them is made, you know. Shit. Yeah. Oh my goodness. And so. But regardless, he, he enjoyed that for 3 or 4 months, and then he just stopped showing up at work.

1:14:39 Nice. Because he was like this. And I think he talked to me about it. You I do this. Yeah. He's like working for somebody else, you know, their schedule making such a meager amount of money for your time. I was like, it sucks, man. It's fucking terrible. Yeah, but some people are, like, just. That's all they can get.

1:14:57 And that's what I explained to him. I was like, it's not like I have another choice. And he goes, well, you're smart because you can make your choice. I was like, I see your point. But Sean, some people never even hear that message their entire life. Right? Right. And I said, I see your point, but I said, look over there at Ebony.

1:15:15 The cashier looked over here is this person. I was like, sure, I might be. I might edge them out a little bit on intelligence, but we're all in the same boat. We're gonna be, you know, and I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. He was basically telling me he was basically telling me in the nicest way possible, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, because this is actually just wasting your time.

1:15:36 Yeah. Like, this is actually, this is hurting me. Yeah. And diminishing returns. Yeah. Not, you know, positive. He he basically told me right after that he's like, would you be better served just to quit this job and try to figure out how to make money? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I told Megan long time ago, like, her whole life was like, never, you'll never work.

1:15:56 If I have any kind of say in it, you'll never work. You know, a minimum wage job or a fast food joint. So I never because it's just that's just a downward spiral. It is a downward spiral, but it's also not character building anything anybody. So I'm not saying it's character building. I'm saying it's empathy building. Okay. And so then now you're now you're spun up your energy, your thoughts, your creativity.

1:16:20 You're now spun up, rubbing shoulders with people that have nothing to offer you as well. I mean, you could say that. You could say they have nothing to offer you. But I think over the years, pulling back on it and looking at what I garnered and what I gained from working all these jobs is an understanding of people.

1:16:41 And I'm not building housing the poor. No, I'm not. Not at all connecting with the poor because I can see their limitations. I'm not saying all these poor people, they're just being stopped by an don't know. I'm I'm understanding that that's not what they're doing yet. They're caught up in that it cost more to be poor. Right. And I wouldn't understand that if I hadn't been there.

1:17:07 I mean, I guess is what I'm trying to say. I mean, 20, 22, like the best advice I can give young people is like, be hypercritical of your social network. Yeah, right. So like people that have something to offer you intellectually or opportunity wise and not just in a selfish manner or in a, in a manner that you have to get ahead yourself.

1:17:25 You have to get somewhere yourself before you can call other people up. Right? That's true. And so for that, allow a certain window of selfishness in your life to connect with certain people that are then going to give you the capability later to actually do something they want to do. And just as a quote from, A-Rod, the former baseball player, he said, you know, you're a composite of the five people you spend the most time around.

1:17:47 There you go. And so if young people would listen to that and say, sorry, you know, to somebody is like, you don't you don't even have to say sorry. You just you just hang out with them less. Yeah. And you know, them relationship with her online. Right. You know, don't be nasty about it. Yeah. And then you can still see that person from time to time.

1:18:04 They're not one of those five people. Right? Right. And then the five people that you are rubbing shoulders with like that are exceptional. And then now all of a sudden you find yourself becoming exceptional, right? Right, right. Absolutely true. And so there's another externality for somebody that's deep in the trenches in one of these second tier things, like someone slinging dope is now always rubbing shoulders with that, with that tier of that's never going to get them out of that stuff.

1:18:25 You they're going to you're getting every day more and more locked in. Yeah. Right. Which is another effect of that system. It is. And then inevitably there's you know, it's like quicksand. It's like quicksand. And so then inevitably you need someone with the big crane can pull you out, and a whole team of people have to come resurrect you.

1:18:41 Yeah. You know, save you, resurrect you and someone's make a lot of money on them. And and this this ties into the idea, I think. I don't think we recorded it. Basically helping people build a social network by pretty much blessing people for whom they've. No, no, no, no, don't say it, don't say it. Let's say it tomorrow.

1:19:02 All right. Well we're starting we're going to do it. Yeah, I mean awesome. Thanks, Eddie.