0:00 Yeah. There you go. Okay, we were just talking about Key and Phil and Chris. You mentioned what skit because you're trying to wake up. Yeah, I was talking about this scale where they have this, like, dubstep playing. And, so he is helping people move, which whichever is which, I forgot, but he puts on dubstep and, like, the whole thing gets surreal and he starts freaking out and then like, he ends up with a nosebleed and they end up finally jumping out the window.

0:28 Ridiculous. Which is pretty funny. And I was just saying the, you know, and I know this is pedestrian, but my two favorite skits are basically the substitute teacher, 1AA Ron and Blake and, whatever they make in front of the college draft and all the weird ass names be nice. Yeah. G nice genius. But said you to the to principal.

0:56 What? Oh, Hennessy. Yeah.

1:03 I love it. What's in the name? Oh, man. Probably quite a bit. So today I figured we talk about UFOs. Oh, dude, I was thinking the same thing. I read that wired article. Yeah, okay. From the French guy. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was wondering what you'd say about talking about UFOs. Like he's not going to want to talk about UFOs.

1:24 Yeah, we're on the same wavelength, man. So the first thing I thought about was like, you know, this pressure getting put on Putin and all that, right? Yeah. Like they're just nuclear are more, you know, Russia has more nukes than anybody. Yeah. True. And, you know, backs getting really put against the wall got a lot of pressure, you know, coming in on them.

1:49 So, makes you wonder, you know, imagine, God forbid, fucking guy inside. Oh, yeah. Take me out, Hey, y'all watch this. Yeah. Click, click. Next thing you know, you have 1000 ICBMs in the sky. It's like, hold my vodka. Hey, baby, hold my vodka. Watch it. Yeah. That's every rednecks. Last words. Hey, y'all watch this. Yep, yep.

2:15 Oh. Good time. And then Darwin Award entry is created. Yep yep yep. So, Yeah. What's what's funny is that this whole Ukraine thing could lead to, like, humanity's Darwin Award. Darwin award for all humanity, right? We could all die. So that's how fucking stupid we are. We could sit on the set ourselves up with a situation where we can eradicate ourselves.

2:38 It's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Yep. We are definitely the smartest ones out there. But. Yeah, but, And bacteria inherit the Earth. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So back to the. They sinking like, you know, all these ICBMs launch, and then all of a sudden, Zoltar from the dark side of the moon says, no, we're not going to let you do that.

2:58 Frozen. Yeah. They just, like, freeze in the sky or something, and then they disintegrate, right? Either that or we're like the. All right. So to me, that article, what it brought up was something very reminiscent of Douglas Adams a God Galaxy. Yeah. He was talking about how absurdity seems to be the theme of all of these things. Right.

3:25 And how, you know, definitely, there's this pervasive undercurrent of humor to a lot of these things. It's like a higher level of humor. But, secondarily, he was like, he was talking to a psychologist about it, right? What do you. What did you bring up there? It was that ultimately, this looks like a reinforcement schedule. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

3:52 Weird. It's like. It's like, an invisible hand, you know, constantly there. Yeah. Trying to groom us, trying to move us in a direction. Yeah. Or at the very least, experiment on us. Well, you know, we know how powerful misinformation is about shaping people's beliefs and then inevitably controlling their actions, right? Yeah. Like January 6th. All. Yeah. No.

4:14 Oh, yeah. So that is the height of misinformation. Misinformation that is like the misinformation. Crown jewel. Yeah. So that was just that was just a person, you know, throwing out misinformation. Imagine what like a hyper intelligence or a super, you know, advanced, you know, alien civilization could do to us. True. You know, through just manipulating the belief structure, right?

4:39 Like a, you know, it's you can imagine something like tampering with religions or with philosophies or with just guiding people to particular set of information to make them draw conclusions. Right. Yeah. And, you know, it sounds kind of psyops, but, you know, those would do, I guess. I mean, all right, you know, and we have no choice but to assume they're benevolent because we did.

5:08 Otherwise it would be horrible was they weren't benevolent to some extent. They would they, you know, we would whip us out. Yeah. Right. Well, killed us and took our resources. Yeah, if they need it. I mean, I think if a civilization was advanced to traverse the vast distances of space, they wouldn't need Earth. Yeah. I don't think it would matter that that and, you know, they wouldn't crash, right?

5:36 So, like, yeah, you know, we were able to we were able to come 150 light years across the fucking galaxy. But then. Oh shit. An atmosphere. What do we do? Oh, we're gonna crash. Come on. I'm not so sure about that. Yeah, yeah. Unless. Unless there was, like, multiple. And they're having, like, wars and they shoot each other down from time to time.

5:54 That could be brought up by the war scenes and in the Bhagavad Gita. What is that? All right. So it's a holy book.

6:08 I'm not extremely well versed in it, but, pretty much there's these grand things where the heroes in this holy book are battling one another, and they board things that very much seem like more platforms or ships. Oh, okay. And they're setting off bombs. And there there's these grand explosions, and people are dying. But the battle is in the air.

6:37 It's very clear. The battles in the air. Oh, wow. Yeah. There's all kinds of, like, engravings, carving paintings, illustrations, stories from all different types of past, you know, ancient civilizations that we've had. Yeah, that depict strange, bizarre things in the sky. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everything from Samaritan mythology claiming the anarchy created us and bestowed upon us. Well, one of the hybrid gods that who was a woman bestowed upon us the gift of intelligence through.

7:10 But sounds like genetic engineering. Yeah, well, it's interesting you have the. You know, from what we know, what we think we know about the, you know, kind of geological and logical past is that we have, like, the Cambrian explosion type thing, right where there was all of a sudden this same species. Oh, like, that's kind of in the fossil record.

7:33 And then we have, you know, incredible diversity and changes and, you know, all these, oh my gosh, strange creatures that have emerged through, you know, so to go back and so, you know, an old chestnut, I mean where we seeded with DNA, I mean yeah that's what I'm saying. Like. Yeah. Like it looks like maybe, you know, possibly if you were, if you were to have some kind of powerful hand, let's say we were, you know, more advanced and we had the ability to go visit a primitive planet.

8:01 Right, right. Well, we want to make it in our own image. Yeah, type of thing. Like. Yeah. Like, what would we do? We would we accelerate the emergence of intelligent life? I think you would. I think you would. Because I think, you know, the premium in the universe, like. Well, I think you'd almost be like a Tibetan monk.

8:19 You'd have to be like, look, I want to spread enlightenment. I want to spread understanding. I want to spread intelligence. Yeah. Life. And then. And then therefore intelligence. Like the the, What is it now? Like end game. But the the premium of the universe, you know, like, is that what, like the the the ultimate end goal, the.

8:40 Yeah. It's like intelligence and, you know, hyper consciousness or whatever, you know, the best words are for it. Hyper consciousness is a good one. You know, it's like this idea that perhaps the universe is like a mass with life, that we just don't have to. We just don't have access to it. Because if you think about it, you know, on this planet, if you go back to the geological record, it was life that has reshaped this Earth so many times.

9:03 Yeah. Like living things have been, you know, the sculpting, living things have been the sculpting force right, of our planet. Yeah. Terraforming the shit out of, you know, at first, like anaerobic bacteria finally creating photosynthesis, you know, process emerging and then the whole atmosphere changing from, you know, oxygen void atmosphere pretty much to oxygen rich, which completely toxic by the Earth, killed off the anaerobic bacteria in a whole new level of, you know, and then things ruled the day and it turns out, you know, hey, I mean, bacteria ruled the day.

9:44 And, you know, it turns out, that's what you need for a plurality of life. Yeah, right. At least on this planet. So, you know, it's interesting that those type of turns, whatever I call it, emerged because, you know, that's what was the predecessor for modern life. And so you have like the the whole Cambrian thing, you have the, what was it called, the coniferous period where you got all the coal?

10:10 Yeah. We're trees, you know, just took over like the whole earth was just thick jungle, basically. You know, like sedimentary layers, mile thick, compressed down. Right, making the coal band around the Earth to this day. Right. You know, all this kind of, like, incredible life, you know, sculpting the history, geological history and actual shape and destiny of the planet.

10:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so, you know, we're doing the same thing now with our modern, with our technology. Like, we're sculpting the earth, right? We absolutely are. Everything from the simplest of things like strip mining. Yeah. To the more complicated things where we are trying to, in essence, genuine engineer habitats and rescue things. Yeah. So perhaps like, this is just, you know, part of this procession of, of life itself, right?

11:05 And this, this will sound weird, but maybe the whole universe is like, once the civilization hurts his a certain level of technology, like, figure some shit out, you know, you can then enter into a new, let's say, dimension, so where you can become extra the keys to the exclusive club right now, you're part of it. You're part of the club?

11:28 Yeah. I don't know if I like the painting. I like the frame, though. Yeah. Interesting. No dumpster diving, remember? Can't go back to those old days. Oh, it's so much fun, though. Yeah, right. So if you dumpster diving, keep it in the garage, clean it up and then resell it. Yeah. God damn. Fuck you. School busses. Leave us alone.

11:50 So, My fucking school bus, all right? Yeah, they're just not yellow. It's, like really unique orange yellow color that school busses are painted. It's so, it's kind of like the color of old pee.

12:07 The pea that you're, like, mental roommate saves and bobbles for some reason.

12:13 So no offense to you if you say, I don't know, I do not know. And I hope no, you know, I'm just going to take a stance here. I hope none of our listeners do either. Yeah. If you're if you're saving pee and jars, there's no it's not it's not the end of the line. You know, there's there's hope.

12:30 There's hope for you. You can move on from this. Go to a bot.com and tell the AI about your. Oh shit. There's a there's a bot. Yeah, man. Wow. Oh there's a bunch of them now. There's a bunch of free AI like self-help bots. Are they like in psychiatrist where they're like, so how do you feel about whatever the hell they end of your sentence?

12:52 No. Were they CBT, CBT, trained, like they basically try to educate you about your cognitive behavior. Oh, CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy. We're like okay, you kind of analyze why you're thinking the way you're thinking. All right okay. So it's more of like the more of like a education. It's like psychological education. It's not just spewing things back at you.

13:13 It actually is useful. Tell me about your mother.

13:20 Okay. But you know me so well. Mommy wasn't there. And when she was. Oh, God. So, we'll get back to you in a second, because this this is irresistible. I can't help you talk about it. Right. So, like we talked before, we joked about, like, the AI therapy failures. Yeah. These people are sitting, sitting there, rocking back and forth all day.

13:42 That's all they can do because I like. Whoops. Sorry, I made a misstep. Didn't mean to make you a schizophrenic psychotic break. And so, you know, you can imagine what I, I think anyone could probably can imagine, this really bad dystopian future where, you know, basically people are just, like, cradled by their, their AI, you know, damn coddled constantly.

14:10 You know, that's maybe not the best state for mankind. No. But, so, yeah, personal AI especially branded personally I that you pay a monthly fee for since you could do that. Yeah, yeah. With the money interests thrown in there and the trying to keep it coming back for more like, that's some scary shit. It is. Plus it has all the social data on you, like, you know.

14:32 Yeah. That's why I'm personally very afraid of the idea. Personally, I like it. Get pretty dark pretty quick and I'm making imagine some pretty high degree of addiction. Yeah. Oh hell yeah. I mean, in so many different ways. I. I love you, my bot. You're right. That movie her is. Yeah. The, that's the best of it.

14:54 Yeah. He, like, gets all pissed. Not pissed, but like, distraught because he finds out that his AI is, you know, he's just one of many customers. The the AI isn't per se cheating on him, but he's not exclusive right there in an open relationship. Yes. He just didn't know it. Yeah, he just didn't know it. Right? Yeah. That's interesting.

15:18 There's probably a lot of people in open relationships and they don't know it. True, true. Hey, at least Will Smith is given an opportunity to admit it on the world stakes. Oh, you have to inform me on that. He has a, quote unquote open relationship. Yeah. So there are a couple of years ago, his wife was it was brought up that his wife was basically messing around with his 29 year old rapper.

15:41 Really? Yeah. And, you know, not like clean rap, Fresh Prince stuff, but like, hardcore rapper, like hardcore. She went for the motherfucker. Bad boy showed he wants a thug. Yeah. So, you know, you got that was as white as I could possibly said that. It was hardy once a thug. Oh, that was that was that was awesome there, buddy, I enjoyed it.

16:08 We're getting down with the kid. Kind of cold this morning. Let's get in the Volvo. Go get some chai tea. Oh, shit. Shit. I personally prefer your mate. Oh, you're more sophisticated.

16:25 I just, you know. So regardless. Yeah, like, wait, we gotta get back to our conversation. So, our AI therapist, right? You can imagine that the the training data that this fucking thing gets probably isn't the best, like, representation of what's normal for humanity. Because, like, imagine this, this, therapy bot that's dealing with, like, people with bad problems all the time.

16:49 Yeah. Right, right. And that's the training data. And so, you know, AI just does what AI does. It's going to normalize, try to normalize. It's going to try to you know, normal set goal state. Yeah. The the the new normal will be psychologically distraught. Right. And so like if you show up and you're just a little bit, you know, depressed like just sad, you want someone to talk to you.

17:10 Is it going to try to make you worse so it can make it. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm getting at like because, you know, not like consciously not coming up with like this dark scheme, but I know how to fix this really bad thing. So let's make you that really bad. Yeah. Right. We gotta we gotta make it worse before we can make it better, you know, type thing.

17:25 Because I only know how to fix the really bad shit. Yeah, that's the that's the training data. Let's loop because they get away from that street, right? Yeah. So, you know, I hopefully the engineers that are building this kind of stuff are like, thinking about those kind of things. You know, I doubt they are, you know. So next thing you know, you know, you show up and, like, you get really bad before you get better.

17:50 Right? But to the to the AI, you know, it's trained on this data. So that's normal right. That's that's what's normalized. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. That's so great. I mean I totally can see it going down that way. So so then the aliens like doing the same kind of thing, but on a cosmic, you know, grander scale.

18:10 Oh, one less thing about normalizing life. Yeah. I thought was interesting. Yeah. Sorry. No. It's cool. GPT three it's now gaining the ability to do heavy text processing. Sure. Yeah. And you can give it functions in a certain number of languages and a goal output. Or you can give it an input and output, and it'll work to synthesize a, a function.

18:38 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so it's like what's my purpose. So it's like emit with AI behind it. Right. Right. And it's but it's like, you know, it's like, what's my purpose to convert YAML, JSON, you know. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then give it a bunch of inputs and outputs and it figures out how to code it.

18:58 Yeah, yeah. Okay. Anyway. That's neat. No, but that's not that's not like, farfetched at all. That's exactly what you know, it's funny because certain job, certain jobs, you know, it's like people are so naive. It's it's like, people are so naive to like this, this, this reality of that. There really isn't anything so fucking particularly special about you or me or anybody else.

19:23 No. And yes, machines will be able to do that thing that you think machines will never be able to do. Eventually. Well, how many people have predicted AI will never be able to insert thing here and then it doesn't. Right, right. And you know, no computer will ever be a human at chess. That too many variations. That's something you've got to.

19:45 Yeah, okay. That's something you got to be careful about saying. Because like that. Because of that reason. Yeah. And nothing. What seems like the impossible is just really the, the edge of a frontier. Right. And then people see something that is subject to change and they, they can see in a certain time interval a trend. Right. Yeah. And then make a bold prediction about how that is going to be then in X number of years in the future, we're going to be at this point, right, as if life is linear.

20:17 Holy shit. And you know, yeah, you're right. I mean, we've got exponential growth. We've got all sorts of different things, like, all right, we'll never have a period like we did in the 60s with DARPA money and research and all the things that came out of it. We're still coasting computer wise on ideas that were developed then. That's that's that's crazy.

20:39 I mean, that's when the mouse was developed by Doug Engelbert. It's I that's when the that's when Adobe. Well, what would be Adobe first started putting together a postscript and in PDF and dust out publishing started. That's when. Okay. You know, we've got yeah, I know I've gone back to some of the new eyes, right?

21:04 I mean, that's where GUIs began. You just have to say no. Fine. You go back to, you know, some of that vintage footage of someone describing a desktop, right? Yeah. And folder structures and stuff. And it's, like, remarkably similar to today's. Yeah. We didn't change it a whole lot. Right. Well, it might just be the logical way to do it.

21:22 Like, sure, it might be the the best. Yeah. So like things are just recycled, reskinned, rebranded you know, and then you know slightly improved tweaked enhance but still core same. Yeah. When you figure something out and it's like pretty much the right way to do something or a way that works very well. Okay. Then you know, you will see some continuity over time, right?

21:45 Yeah. Because it's because it's good. So maybe, maybe, you know, there is like this. Let's get back to this idea of like this, there, this other dimension, fifth dimension, six dimension, whatever that. Like once, once a civilization gets gains the technology to to enter it, they open up, like, you know, this new reality of what what you know, what reality really is, you know, kind of be having your mind blown.

22:10 But nonetheless, you know, now we're in this new paradigm. Yeah. And that new paradigm might be as bizarre as this sounds, is a living universe, right? To where, like the universe is, is is just bustling with life that we don't have access to right now. Right. But its footprint remains a k dark matter, right? So you can imagine that, like the universe, you can imagine a universe filled with teeming with life in different species.

22:40 Right? Yeah. And, you know, what's the other certain technological capability? We can enter that domain. And so, you know, we're like, being stewarded and groomed by this, by this living ether, if you will. Oh, but there's there's certain rules, almost like search, like prime directive. We have to be we have to, you know, be allowed to, to, we have to be allowed to kind of develop on our own unique course with some assist.

23:09 Yeah. You're heavily governed. Yeah. The sister heavily governed and like, you know, don't let them filter themselves. Don't let them kill themselves. Now, this is just like a fucking pipe dream of mine. Because from all intents and purposes, it seems like, you know, we could just go ahead and blow ourselves up, but, you know, boy, wouldn't it be cool to to find out that, you know, that's how aliens.

23:29 We have some guardians. We have guardian angels. Yeah, because, you know, 99.9 with a lot of nine percentage of the people don't want a fucking nuclear war. No. You know, and so like, surely, you know, intelligent species that, that have a primal instinct of group ism and tribalism, you know, have some potential problems when they get high technology.

23:52 Yeah. You see what I'm saying? I mean, it's, it's at least with our, our mindset and the way our brains work, it seems like an inevitability. I mean, maybe it's not, and maybe that's what the I totally seems like inevitability. The more I think about it, the more I think it's inevitability. Right. And so maybe that's just part of the dynamics.

24:12 Right. And so there is like a guardian species because we have a living universe and there's several, you know, alien species watching over us. And that like from all the different descriptions that they would be several different ones. Right? Yeah. Right. And well, that's the idea is I'm saying like the universe is teeming with life, all, all types of and there's not just one guardian, there's several that do different things.

24:35 A division of labor. Yeah. And they might have different ideas, but at the same time they have a unified, you know, minimum set of coalition. Right, right. But maybe the weird ones that you could possibly equate to elves, like in that article that give out buckwheat cakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And looks like Italians. Of course, you know, maybe those do a particular thing and then maybe the, the gray aliens do another thing and.

25:06 Yeah. So there could be just like there is on, you know, different different cultures and, communities and societies and government bodies here on Earth. You know, maybe there's all kinds of variety of ways, ideologies about going about things. Right? Or maybe there. Yeah. And I would be more likely to believe there's not a unified whole, but rather a bunch of people trying to pull in roughly the same direction.

25:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. In general there's like some we're over time coming to consensus on, you know, certain key things. Well yeah. But on the cosmic I guess what I'm saying is like I because we can't unite and get things done as a whole, I would imagine anything are all doing a little bit different thing too. Yeah. So maybe there's like a philosophy where I love that.

25:50 Yeah. That's pretty. Someone took some time, right? Yeah. So, maybe there's this, like kind of idea where, so some of these, like, you know, advanced species, you know, that are that are out there in the universe have this philosophy of, no, you don't want dumpster diving. Yeah. I'm not going to diving.

26:09 When I get my car. I'll probably come back for it. Yeah, I have a bunch of I have a bunch of pieces of art that need frames. Nice. Yeah. But anyway, so imagine this concept of, you know, this, this, this one particular species that's really strong. On the board. Yeah. On the I, I don't know what we'd call an aggregate of alien species, but right in parliament, in intergalactic parliament.

26:33 There we go, there we go. They have this strong ideology of no, we have to let certain species die out because we want we want intelligent species that emerge into this fold to have come to us, through their through their benevolence in, in, in a nod to George Clinton, let's call it let's call it Parliament Galactic.

26:53 Okay. Parliament Galactic. There you go. And, so you can imagine this, like, to keep the purity of this, of this, like, layer of sophistication, this barrier that you need to cross as a species. Yeah. In order to, like, have pure, more pure and better quality species coming into that fold, you let the ones that are going to self terminate.

27:13 Terminate. Oh shit. Right. So like that way you only get you're getting the better of the species if you will. Damn like coming into this new for a certain level of natural selection. Yeah. You're letting them self-select. Yeah. Right. Like you're letting that great filter filter out a lot of species, and that sure as hell would make sense rather than going ahead and stopping things.

27:34 Yeah, but then you have this other. No, there's so many, like I just said, 99.9% of the people don't want this bullshit, right? Right. So, you know, this, this other, you know, so I remind the galactic. Oh go ahead. Other group. No, no. You're fine. Yeah, I was I was done. Really? Yeah. So you have this other group is like.

27:53 No, you know, that's completely inappropriate to let a majority of the species that doesn't think this way be terminated by a small group of them that think this way. Right? Right. So it's immoral to just let them all die. Die off. And so you can then have, like, this competing ideology. Yeah. What's really interesting. Right. Because we see like dark matter increasing like, you know, in the universe, but we can't see it, we can't sense it, we can't detect it, feel it with a feel of phantom gravity.

28:22 Gravitational pull. Yeah. It's it's gravity is, you know, gravity is kind of silhouette, is there, but there's no discrete thing that we can put our finger on saying, this is what's creating gravity, right? Right. So, you know, perhaps what that is, is the material, the material, inorganic, if you want to call it that material of the universe, the energy and matter in the universe slowly moving into to to living to living things, converting to living things.

28:50 Because that's what that's what's happened through evolution. Evolution has found a way to take inorganic material and life spring from that. Yeah. So like the inorganic becoming the wellspring of life, right. You see, as a natural process of what happens in the universe, which is kind of like, what was that? Oh, I can't remember that with the school of thought name was.

29:14 But in essence, you know, flies arising from rotten meat. Yeah. Spontaneous generation. Generation. That's what it was. Yeah. So spontaneous generation on actually a level that works rather than. Yeah. Well, from that observational point of view, from that, from that, scale. Right. You see the meat and then all of a sudden the flies come. So like, you know, it's not without microscopes or ability to filter certain things.

29:45 But then when we dive down even further, there is inorganic to organic life, right? Yeah. Yes, I'm talking about is that later on you get into a certain level of, you know, microevolution. Yeah. And then you start to learn. As you know, we have scientists right now working on the exact specifics on how this is. Right. And some of their some of their findings are incredible.

30:08 Yeah. How do you make life soup? Well, yeah. Very complicated. It's very complicated, but but maybe just part of the natural order by which the universe works. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. Just tends toward it. Right. So now take it to like the the highest level possible. And imagine this, this procession of all inorganic moving towards life. You see, whether it be silicon based, carbon based, whatever.

30:32 And then once a certain level of technology is hit, you get to enter into this new community. Yeah, right. And then become stewards and propagators of this reality like, which is like producing life, life, beginning life. So in essence, you become that becomes your new mandate, right? When when you enter into this and that becomes the thrust, the uniting thrust of your people.

30:59 Yeah, exactly. Life becomes the premium thing in in in the, in the universe. Right. And so inevitably, all you're doing is watching all these different threads of material, of the material universe moving into the echelon of living. So you're kind of like the, Viking northern area, spinning the threads and creating the fabric of of destiny in life.

31:26 Yeah, that'd be incredible to learn that, like, the universe is on a is on a, procession, if you will. Naturally. And also then enhanced by hyper intelligence. But this procession does not necessarily preclude a free will, however, it seems to encourage it, and who knows? I mean, we're learning so many bizarre things about the universe of quantum and all these other, you know, technological advances.

31:56 It starts to like, tickle the edge of the imagination because you're like, what might not be possible, right? Right. And, you know, it's the whole idea of we're butting up against the limits right now, and we're trying to flirt with those limits and figure out if they are hard limits. And so, of course, we come up with the idea of, well, if we are in a sandbox, is it a simulated sandbox?

32:20 And is that why there are limits? I mean, you know, and then you have a lot of other questions that are begat from that. But, I mean, I think the simulation idea is to simple, oh, I totally don't believe in the simulation version. I think that's convenient because, you know, now that we're getting really advanced with computer technology, now all of a sudden, you know, this idea comes up.

32:41 Yeah, it really it really is just the next logical conclusion. Hey, we can virtualize a lot of stuff. Do you think we're virtualized? Yeah, yeah, we should do a whole podcast here about like, the edge cases of virtualization becoming so, so strong that it's indiscernible from, you know, reality. Right. Like an augmented reality, so strong it might as well be reality.

33:03 Oh, shit. Did you hear about the aliens today? This company Mojo, they have a artificial or a augmented reality. Contact lens. Perfect. Yeah. All right. Anyway, like, those type of things we know are coming, right? Like, these are just natural progressions of the, you know, technology that we know of today, right? So it's like, we know certain things are coming, you know, like genetic engineering is going to increase.

33:28 Yeah. You know, ability to integrate human neurological function with computers is going to increase, right? You know, all these things there. It's why we're doing this podcast to explore these ideas and. Right, you know, even if, even if it's just for ourselves, we'll see if we can get a listener. And that's what I was going to say.

33:46 I think ultimately we're starting it out with a bit of a selfish premise. We're doing it to expand our own minds, explore things on our own, and to have intellectual friction, hopefully also with listeners. But, you know, we'll do it without a listener. Listen. Yeah, do it without listeners. But also listeners is like, would be great for the ego, right?

34:06 Yeah. Encouraging in a in a non internal. Well I want Ohio to roast me. I don't even just want encouragement. I want her to be like you're fucking wrong. Here's a well worded treatise on why. Yeah I mean just because James posts recipes all the time online doesn't mean, you know, doesn't mean she doesn't have her two astrophysics Harvard degrees.

34:26 Well, yeah. You know, her hobby might be making quilts, but it turns out she's making, you know, quilts with higher order math, you know? Yeah. And that thread is like quantum. Yeah. Just don't know it yet. Yeah. She makes it in the lab. In the basement? Hell, yes. Trust me, that quilt might be paper thin, but it's like the warmest blanket you've ever put on.

34:44 There we motherfucking go. And I'm talking about.

34:50 There goes that thing again. Remember I was talking about. You have the technology, therefore you have the command of authority, even though you don't have the command authority. Right? Right. I love that it's so worth repeating. It's like you guys can go. Yeah. You show up to a crosswalk as the pedestrian. You have the right away. But the person with the 2,000 pound death machine that could kill you still waves you on because they have the 2,000 pound death machine and and you don't.

35:14 And really, I'm I'm going to go ahead and defer to the 2,000 pound death machine. And that's exactly what. And the person with the 2,000 pound death machine knows that you must, whether you like it or not. You know, even though he'll be civil and polite about this, we all know that it's the truth of the situation because he's looking like, fuck, go ahead and delay my transit to work.

35:32 Go ahead.

35:35 I give you permission to walk before me and I promise, wink, wink. I will not kill you this morning. Yeah, yeah. We've entered into a social contract of me not bringing you death with my death machine. That's right. There's a difference. When you pass somebody a stranger on the street and you're unarmed. And they carrying a monster assault rifle with this, like, you know, a team banana clip hanging out of the fucking thing.

36:00 Magazine, right? Shit. It's like there's a there's a certain implied said that. What? The house. Oh, well, I mean, there's nothing around it. There's nothing. Yeah, that's a little sterile. It's like a box. It might as well be a prison. Yeah. How? Homes are just prisons of, you know, decorate the way you want them. There we go.

36:20 Prisons of our own choosing. Yeah, if you want to get abstract about that. But anyway, back to these aliens, right? I imagined I did this out back a while ago about this idea that, like, maybe the universe is is the living universe. Maybe, maybe, maybe like the planet itself is in many people said this planet itself is a functioning, breathing, living organism.

36:40 Yeah. The Gaia concept. Yeah, right. So you take that to the next level, maybe, you know, maybe the universe itself is teeming with incredible bouquet of life and was built to foster, create it and, you know, encourage. Well, yeah. So when we say was built and design that implies like some kind of deity and the whole thing. Well but but but maybe what I'm saying is maybe it's just a simple cycle.

37:07 So what happens is when the material universe moves into the living universe, like transitions into the living universe, right? And and the magnitude of living universe blossoms expands while the material universe constricts, you see? Right. That then it can get to a certain point where that's not stable. The universe isn't stable anymore in that state, you see, and then you have a big bang, a correction or reversion back to a snapping back to the material where the material universe is the dominant.

37:37 And yes, exactly. The immaterial is not organic or whatever. I call it. Living, living, living. Yeah, that's a good term. Right? Right. So then once life becomes the, the, procession or progression of the universe, right. Once the life takeover happens, if you will, and it expands to a certain threshold, you created instability in the universe to the point where the universe snaps back to a reverses.

38:03 And I wonder if instead of the Big Bang, right? Yeah, right. And I wonder if instead of it being on a universal scale. Yeah, if it's a localized, you know, situation where you're like, okay, this area has reached its theoretical maximum here. Oh, now get this. Maybe just so maybe the, the living universe, the living component of the universe when it blossoms and it gets so advanced and so sophisticated, maybe it then sets the stage for the next cycle.

38:37 So, in other words, it brings upon the next cycle. Is that crazy? Well, expound upon that. Yeah. So, the of the energy, if you will, goes from the inorganic, from the non-living universe to the living right to the, to the universe that we can interact with. Right. And the, the hyper intelligences of these, you know, living species become so advanced it has for knowledge that at a certain critical point, it's going to revert back to you're going to have a transition.

39:12 So there again, we're using a seed, each one with its own flavor. We're in viewing this cycle with a certain degree of intelligence and for knowledge. Exactly right. Exactly. And thereby that's why I'm saying if we're imputing it with intelligence and foreknowledge, then I think it's beyond a simple cycle. I think it is a self-healing, a self-correcting, a self aware fucking far out.

39:40 It's like we're on drugs, right? A self-aware cycle, in essence, an Overmind or God. Yeah, just God just with a different name. Right? Yeah. So, you know, where where would you be able to as a, you know non is a mostly, you know, bond bonded to the earth organic species. That's still relatively primitive compared to the terms we're talking about.

40:05 Any hyper at this type of level that we're discussing would would be a stand in for God. It would, it would because in essence it's it's omniscient. It knows. All right. And then but once you're part of that living fabric, its second nature, like you don't want no longer see it as God. You realize what it really is.

40:23 It's this incredible hyper intelligence that's now setting into motion the next, next of this, you know, you know, okay, I guess our definition of God is overloaded with, tribute and filthy. Of course, of course, of course. So, you know, could we go ahead and call this God without the requirement of bowing and scraping to it? I think so, I think so I think that that's going to be probably like some of the future emerging religions are going to think are going to be more on this type of alignment.

40:55 They're going to be more aligned with these ideas because it allows space for us to progress. We don't have to reject science. We don't have to reject. Well, I feel like that's where Christian Scientists are kind of in that space right now. Right. Yeah. Right. I'm rolling my eyes. I'm trying to say that's that's where they're trying to get.

41:14 Yeah. They're trying. You know, it's hard because they're not shirking the limiting parts of their framework. Yeah, sure sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean there is some space there. You know, I don't want to be too to pessimistic about it. There's some space there, I suppose. But, I mean, I think it's two and far between you. Inevitably, you need simpletons to believe this shit, right?

41:42 And you start talking about God feeding the world with evolution, with the process of evolution. Right. And I think that you've just left 50% of them behind. Yeah. Now. My God, he snapped his fingers. You know, my girl don't work for six days, goddamn it. And then he took seven days off. I'm gonna take some day off.

42:03 For. Not for my employees. Hell, no. God wants me to enslave them. Yeah, yeah, that's it right there. Right? That's the problem is interpreting what God wants, right? Because, since God's not too vocal, it's pretty easy to interpret that. How interesting. God always seems to want what I want. Oh, how can we. How convenient. You mean God's always on your side?

42:34 Interesting. Yeah, I could probably find a scripture that supports it too. Or at least could be for it to do so. No no no no. That verse right there, that's that's concrete. That's that's literal. This verse that I'm not going to manipulate to fit my what I want is a metaphor, right. Right. And here's what God means. Yes.

42:54 Oh, Jesus. Here we go. I've been I've been given the ability from. Now, see, there's where we fall off the wagon. Because even the old. The Bible goes ahead and says, hey, you know, not a lot up here for interpretation. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. So you can imagine, like this. Long running alien influence over, you know, the living world, if you will, Earth, the living Earth, having this alien, we mean everything from the Italians with turtlenecks and and, and flying saucers to the Overmind, the hyper intelligent.

43:36 Yeah, right. They might just all be derivatives of the same theme. And that theme is like a long, long, long running intervention. And hell, to some extent, you could say experiment. Yeah. So. So maybe, like, this Cambrian explosion was the first, injection of DNA of, you know, highly mutating DNA. Right? Right. And even if, say, we weren't injected with it, the universe gave it to us from outside, with meteorites, with asteroids, with, you know, maybe they were maybe certain asteroids containing certain bacterium with certain genetic fragments were launched into this, into onto the scene.

44:19 That may have been the mechanism, you know, you see the planet. Sure, sure. Absolutely. And then, you know, later on coming in with your test tubes and beakers and and directly intervening, right. Once you've gotten the process to begun to begin on its own. Because, I mean, hell, you know who doesn't want it's easier to tweak a running system.

44:41 Yeah, yeah, than it is to build it from scratch. Yeah. So if you can play the long game because let's say you're a nearly eternal species, right? Like you've solved longevity. You know, you could as this one species, you could lob some, some, some DNA fragments at this rock planet. Yeah. Right. That has an atmosphere. And you're like, okay, well hey they've got a 40% chance of hitting.

45:02 We'll do this over this period of time. This much aggregate material should survive, blah, blah, blah. You run statistics on it, right? And then life takes hold and and covers the entire lithosphere of the earth. Right? Yeah. And then now you come back and you make tweaks from time to time. Yeah. Including including a little white psychological manipulation.

45:22 So basically, yeah, basically you're just a long term gardener if you think about it. Yeah, yeah. You're just gardening. Whatever life emerges, you're coming in and you're like, basically like we do with genetically modified gardening. You. Yeah. Like you, you know, basically, you know, these five plants of this, of this group of 100 have the character have the characteristics that you that you're looking for.

45:44 And so then you let those breed. So you're doing a nice little earth size to look a breeding project. Yeah, man. Why not. Because it's just different time scale different different scope, different scale, but the same basic ideas, right. Is you're just gardening. Yeah. Right. And and, and your goal is to add to the fabric of the living universe, you see, with something that will contribute to that.

46:10 Yeah. And so then therefore if the species goes ahead and sells terminate, maybe you just let them do that because because we're going to have but we have these other billion planets of which we're grooming, you know, as well. But if they happen to make it, then you've increased the diversity and richness of the universe. And you have you've added to the fabric of life.

46:32 Yeah, you've added to the fabric of life and you've got a different direction that technology might develop. You've got a different direction that a life may just decide to go. And, you know, you've you've I mean, that just sounds insanely cool. Yeah, man. It's cool. And like you, you let that species run its course enough to where perhaps when it is ready to reach that next echelon, right when it's ready to cross that barrier into the, into the, you know, cosmic community.

47:02 It's bringing something completely unique, right? Because it is allowed to run its own course. Yeah. And it survived and it made. Right. And it was only it was only the victim of light manipulation. Yeah. Right, right. Well, maybe maybe not necessarily manipulation, but, Yeah, that. But also, what's the what's the what's the term like fertilize.

47:28 That's it. That's what I'm looking for. Right. Okay. So like, you know, it was given a chance to, make it, it was given a chance to make it. So as it before I went before it, before someone breaks it, it has a chance to make it. Okay, so just to continue with the platinum offer and you said fertilize given some things that would encourage it.

47:52 So. And to reach it full potential. Right. Like religion, like, species that are mind altering. Start putting it all together. Put together what's here? You know, we have receptors in our brains for for these, poisons that come out of certain plants that change our way of thinking. They put us in a dream state, right? Dreaming itself, you know.

48:16 Well, yeah. Putting all these things together. Meditation. The alpha waves that are created when you meditate. Right, right, right. So maybe that's just a hint of what's there for us in the future. Maybe we become, you know, this species that's that's can think perpetually in that mode. Maybe the seeds of it are planted within us. And I watched I was absolutely patently ridiculous movie yesterday that came out a few years ago.

48:45 The men who stare at goats remember that. No. Oh okay. So it's a Clooney flick, and it's kind of ridiculous, but the whole idea is that the Army had taken some of these ideas of transcending your physical form of, you know, being able to traverse physical space but with your incorporeal essence. Okay. Okay. Sure. You know, so, you know, so they sort of grooming soldiers to be able to remote view.

49:18 They started grooming soldiers to be able to actually try to walk through walls. Gotcha. You know, things like that. And supposedly it was a 30 year arc that it was supported in the Army. Wow. And, it's pretty clear that, one of the things, the reason of the title of the movie is one of the things they wanted them to do was develop the ability to stare at something and kill it.

49:48 Cyclops. Yeah. Right. And so, they, they there's one guy who was able to stare at goats and stop their heart. I see. Well, I've had people stare at me and thinking they wanted to kill me. Right? More than once. Yeah. Yeah, probably. That's probably a shared human experience we probably all been gazed at with a really hostile, hostile, deep soul stare.

50:16 Oh, yeah? Yeah. Like, I will eat you there. And I'm quite sure I believed it when someone did it. Yeah, right. That's what they were talking about with intuition. Like, maybe it's time to hide tail away from that parking situation. Yeah. Stereotypes. But it is so interesting. You know, even white clairvoyance or, you know, realizing that someone is staring at you from 30ft away or.

50:43 Right. You know, you have the bizarre smoker thing to like, where someone staring at you through the smoke stream of a cigarette, like they're sitting there like like the kind of, like, tucked in in a way. Like they're like they're in the shadows. They're deep throat. Right. Yeah. They're like. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, drawing on the cigarette with this really kind of like, dead eyed stare at him.

51:04 Yeah. Yeah. One eye is, like, slightly, slightly slightly, you know, more closed than the other because that's the smoke happens to me going across that I. Yeah. Right. You know, they're giving this really bizarre smoker stare. I was coined that term smokers there. It really is unique to that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird. You have the you have the cell phone stare now.

51:25 Right. Which is a new one. Right. Oh, shit. Where they're looking at their cell phone, but they're looking beyond it. Yes, yes, yes. That, and you can tell they're really pretending to try to look like they're not watching you. Yes. Which is they're using the cell phone has that problem, which is the same thing I was talking about with the guy the other day at the gas station that ended up trying to open our door.

51:43 I could tell he was trying to look distracted, but he was headed toward a trajectory. Right? Right. Right. The overall theme was still present. Yeah. Yeah, man. So, you know, the last thing I want to say about the aliens is that, you know, first of all, I don't believe they exist, but, you know, sorry for if we have a listener.

52:02 I I'm just going to take the other side. I do believe I would love to believe they exist. I think there's other living things in the universe beyond what we know. I think that's true. But I don't think that we're being marshaled or steward by a collective group of. I don't think we are either, but it would be really fucking.

52:19 I wish it were so that some psychopaths that make their way up into high power positions and governments can't kill us. All right. So I do wish there was like a daddy, you know. Yeah. But that's but that's the that's the same seduction of 50 entity. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, this belief that there's a daddy that's going to take care of you.

52:36 Daddy. So then you. Then you never have to become a man yourself. You never have to raise yourself up. Daddy is just comforting. It is you. You. You can stay a child your whole life. Yeah. You're like, I'm the. I'm reclining upon the divine couch. Sky daddy will take care of me. And I've said that before. It had people that are Christians be profoundly offended.

52:55 Profoundly. So basically, you're calling me a child, you know? And I was like, look, if you're an adult and you need to have a visible friend to help you, you know, guide your life, I'm sorry. Maybe to some extent, I don't know. I guess my take on it is they're not necessarily childlike, but they've embraced some soft headed things in that they're not they're not taking personal responsibility for it.

53:23 They they're saying, I'm going down the river without a paddle. No you're not. You have personal determination and free agency and you need to take advantage of that and you need to dive into it. You need to say, I have the reins of my situation. Yes, it might be difficult. Yes, it might require skills that I don't have, but I can fix it.

53:41 Yeah. And how? How debilitating. Right. Everything good that happens to me is because God. Right? God bestowed his largesse upon me. That's. It's terrible. It's awful. Like you have no way of to have any type of personal chief. Yeah, and that's crappy. And I want. And that's what we want for people. We want personal achievement and pride and, you know, not all religion and not all ways of looking at religion steal that from you, but some of them do.

54:09 So you heard this thing like white guilt and white privilege. Oh yeah. Right. So, like the idea of, like, you know, this, you get white people to believe that everything they've ever come from their life is due to their white privilege. Right. And then once they finally realize that they have white guilt and they can start to amend their evil ways.

54:28 Right. This is really no different than it's just a different form of religion. I think I've talked about that before. It's just a different form of ideological religion. Right. Right. Because just like some people would attribute all their good fortune to God. Right. You get a whole group of people attributing all their good fortune to the fact just because they're white.

54:45 Right. Holy shit. Yeah. And they're like disenfranchized people. And the key thing here, the key thread between the two, the religion and the white guilt is guilt. Perfect. Thank you. You just got the tie in for me. That's guilt. Guilt driven. You know, self-deprecating behavior. Yes. It's. And, you know, and it's, And that's the thing. I mean, in my personal experience, I guess I feel like Catholicism is the king of guilt.

55:13 Sure. You know. Well, guilt can be a hell of a motivator. You know, that's for sure. It's true. So. Yeah. You know, I. I've left Cat out of the bag. I don't believe that there's a bunch of aliens. You know, UFO sightings seem to be directly proportional to the amount of air traffic. Human air traffic? Yeah. We've seen all types of bizarre things happen with atmospheric conditions and with lights and bending of light and mirages.

55:38 We have. But, you know, we've got some fairly credible people throughout the ages who've seen some unexplainable shit. We have some pretty credible people around the ages that talk about God being real. True. Like, I don't I don't find credibility of a certain witness to be very strong, compelling evidence because of the amount of misinformation, that pops up into people's brains, like, so, you know, I mean, we are imperfect machines.

56:05 I'm going to acknowledge that. And we are. We are. Our perception can be manipulated and groomed. And, you know, we can also misremember anything. Oh my gosh, the hardware and the software are so subject to flaws. It's not even funny. So, like, you know, in a Scrooge, you know, Scrooge is denying the spirit because he's saying, you know, you could just be a bit of bad cheese.

56:29 Yeah, right. I could have just eaten a piece of spoiled meat or something. Yes. I could just be dyspeptic and be Connecticut. Yeah. So you're just. You're just an aberration, which is a figment of my imagination. Because I got into something. Bad stuff. Right? Right, right. And, you know, at least there's some at least acknowledgment of that possibility, at least in that context.

56:49 Right. It's not like the ghost appears and falls to his knees. You know, so it's praying. Yeah. He's like, even rationally, considering you could just be an aberration. Well, and he still puts up resistance thereafter. Right. Right. And, you know, so that's where I'm at with the whole alien thing. And, you know, I know you want incontrovertible proof, but the.

57:08 No. No, I don't. I just want I just want, strong evidence. Okay. And that's kind of what that article that we both read was talking about that, like there was one camp that was saying, look, we have to look, wait for the strong case. And the French guy said, well, we don't wait for the strong case. We gather evidence, we sift it.

57:29 We use data science to, you know, come up with a framework of credibility here. Yep. And we, you know, continually collect data on this problem so we understand the shape of it. Yeah. So I saw this one documentary. I think it might have been a YouTube or whatever. Something like that. I don't know if it was formal.

57:52 It was like a segment from a formal at all. The member. Yeah. But here's the premise. They get together this expert of people in various fields like videography and optics. Right. And they put them into a room to debunk various footages and images and things about aliens. Right. And UFOs. Yeah. And with I mean with, like, fucking super simplistic.

58:16 Like, to them, it's ridiculously easy for them to debunk everything. Like, that's not what that is. This is simply this, this is what happens when you have a camera at a long focus on a small object from a high zoomed in position, and you're moving at this velocity. That's exactly what you would see. Okay. Right. If it was a bird.

58:42 It's a it's a bird flying near the surface of the ocean. It's like seagull. Right. Albatross or something? Right. And at that level of zoom. And at this, at this camera angle and with these speeds and with these optics, that's exactly what you'd see. Nice. It's not a UFO. It's not UFO at all. And, you know, it didn't change directions.

59:03 It changes vantage point angle to where the sun was no longer reflecting on the wings. It didn't just disappear. It's just flying at an angle now that that blurry optic is picking up that way now, etc., etc.. Yeah, sure. And you see that and you're like, oh my God. Da. Of course, that's what kind of shit that is, because we have all these different sensors and cameras and optics and blah, blah, blah.

59:24 Think about that. With all the satellites and all the data being collected, surveillance data being collected. If that shit, then why would you have government report after government report and all this money spent, if these things could so easily be debunked by a room full of assholes? The same reason they found the ID card of one of the hijackers at the ground zero at nine over 11.

59:48 And the same reason Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. So you fucking dumbasses oscillating on nonsense. So use it to.

1:00:01 You know, I guess control and, you know, manipulate large swaths of the population, doesn't it? It does. I mean, you keep people oscillating and entertainment on mindless things all the time. Debating, non-sequiturs, debating, you know, you have the people put their time and energy into, you know, these non-cognitive causes. I guess I'm going to keep believing in it because I like believing in.

1:00:26 I feel like it helps me be a better person, believing there's more than just.

1:00:33 Just humans. Just humans. I feel like it keeps me hoping and pushing for more and striving for more. Believing there is more. Absolutely. I think that that it's not a unhealthy belief unless it got obsessive like everything else. Let's get extreme, right? And, the fantasy of it is definitely very intriguing to me. I mean, like, I'm excited just to talk about this shit because it's.

1:00:58 Wow. It's just the imagination. It's wondering what's possible. And I think that's a healthy thing. I think I think that's something we have to keep doing. There should be people out here right now doing a podcast talking about their own unique, you know, shit. Yeah, whatever the hell to them and extends them. That's healthy behavior. Yes. Extend yourself.

1:01:17 Put yourself in different situations. Yeah. Now, if we now if I can get off some cheese, I'll be all soon. Fucking. Yeah. Cheese. And on that note.