UFOs & Alien Sky Daddies

0:00 Yeah. There you go. Okay, we were just talking about Key and Peele and Chris, you mentioned what skit? Because you're trying to wake up. Yeah, I was talking about this sketch where they have this, like, dubstep playing and, so, like, key is helping Peele move whatever move whichever's, which I forgot, but he puts on dubstep and, like, the whole thing gets surreal and he starts freaking out and then, like, ends up with a nosebleed and they end up finally jumping out the window.

0:28 Fucking ridiculous. Which is pretty funny. And I was just saying, you know, I know this is pedestrian, but my two favorite skits are, oh, basically the substitute teacher one AA Ron and blocking. And, whenever they're making fun of the college draft shit and all the weird ass names. D nice. Yeah. D nice. D nice weather.

0:53 Said you to the US to principal. What? Oh, shag. Tennessee. Yeah. I love it, I love it. What's in the name? Oh, we have probably quite a bit. So today I think we talk about UFOs. Oh, do you don't think it's the same thing? I read that word article. Yeah, from the French guy. All right. Yeah, yeah.

1:19 I was wondering what you'd say about talking about UFOs. I was like, he's not going to want to talk about UFOs. Yeah, we're on the same wavelength.

1:28 So the first thing I thought about was like, you know, this pressure getting put on Putin and all that, right? Yeah. Like what? Just sneaky there. Well, you know, Russia has more news than anybody. Yeah, I understand true. And, you know, backs getting really put against the wall got a lot of pressure, you know, coming in on them.

1:49 So, makes you wonder, you know, imagine, God forbid, a fucking guy says, oh, yeah, take me out, Hey, y'all watch this. Yeah. Right click. Next thing you know, you have a thousand ICBMs in the sky. It's like, hold my vodka. Yeah, baby, hold my vodka. Watch it, watch it. Yeah, that's every redneck. Last words. Hey, y'all watch this.

2:14 Yep, yep. Good times. And then, Darwin Award entry is created. Yep yep yep. So, Yeah, it was. Which is funny, is that this whole Ukraine thing could lead to, like, humanity's Darwin Award. Darwin Award for all of humanity, right? We could all be so, so fucking stupid. We are. We should set ourselves up with a situation where we can eradicate ourselves.

2:38 It's brilliant. Brilliant, right? Well, we are definitely the smartest ones out there. Okay? But yeah, but, And bacteria inherit the Earth. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So back to the off ideas. Thinking like, you know, all these ICBMs launch, and then all of a sudden, Zoltar from the dark side of the moon says, no, we're not gonna let you do that.

2:58 Frozen. Yeah. They just, like, freeze in the sky or something. And they disintegrate, right? Either that or where, like, they're all right. So to me, that article, what it brought up was something very reminiscent of, Douglas Adams. The terms God Galaxy. Yeah. He was talking about how absurdity seems to be the theme of all of these things.

3:24 Right. And how, you know, definitely there's this pervasive undercurrent of humor to a lot of these things. It's like a higher level of humor. But, secondarily, it was like he was talking to a psychologist about it. Right? What do you what did you bring up there? It was, that ultimately, this looks like a reinforcement schedule.

3:50 Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Weird. It's like it's like, invisible hand, you know, constantly. They're. Yeah. Trying to groom us. Trying to. Yeah. Move us in a direction. Yeah, sure. The very least experiment on us. Well, you know, we know how powerful misinformation is about shaping people's beliefs and then inevitably controlling their actions, right? Yeah. Like January 6th, I got no.

4:15 Oh, yeah. So that is the height of missing misinformation. That is like the misinformation is crown jewel. Yeah. So that was just that was just a person, you know, throwing out misinformation. Imagine what like a hyper intelligence or a super, you know, advanced, you know, alien civilization could do to us through, you know, through just manipulating the belief structure, right?

4:39 Like, you know, it's it's you can imagine something like tampering with religions or with philosophies or with just guiding people to a particular set of information to make them draw conclusions. Right? Yeah. And, you know, it sounds kind of psyops, but. Yeah, well, aliens would do, I guess. I mean, all right, you know, and. Oh, we have no choice but to assume they're benevolent, because if we did otherwise, it'd be horrible ones.

5:11 They weren't benevolent to some extent. They would say, you know. Right. Wipe us out. Yeah, right. Well, killed us and took our resources. Yeah, if they need it. I mean, I think if a civilization was advanced to traverse the vast distances of space, they wouldn't need Earth resources. They Earth would matter that that and, you know, they wouldn't crash, right?

5:36 So, like, yeah, you know, we were able we were able to come 150 light years across the fucking galaxy, but then. Oh, shit. An atmosphere where we do, oh, we're going to crash. I mean, come on, I'm not so sure about that. Yeah, yeah. Unless, unless there was like multiple. And they're having like, wars and they, you just know that, could be brought up by, the war scenes and in the bhagavad-gita.

6:00 What is that? All right, so it's a holy book. I'm not, extremely well versed in it, but, pretty much there's these grand things where the heroes in this holy book are battling one another, and they for things that very much seem like war platforms or ships. Oh, okay. And they're setting off bombs and they're there's these grand explosions and people are dying, but the battle is in the air, and it's very clear.

6:38 The battles in the air. Oh, wow. Yeah. There's all kinds of like engravings, carvings, paintings, illustrations, stories from all different types of past, you know, ancient civilizations that we've had. Yeah, that depict strange, bizarre things in the sky. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Everything from Sumerian mythology claiming the Anunnaki created us and bestowed upon us. Well, one of the hybrid gods, who was a woman, bestowed upon us the gift of intelligence through.

7:10 But sounds like genetic engineering. Yeah, well, it's interesting you have the, you know, from what we know and what we think we know about the, you know, kind of geological and logical passes that we have, like the Cambrian explosion type thing, right? Where there's all of a sudden this insane falsification of species. Like, that's kind of in the fossil record.

7:33 And then we have, you know, incredible diversity and changes and, you know, all these, oh my gosh, strange creatures that have emerged through, you know, so to go back to pollution. So, you know, an old chestnut. Oh, I mean, where we seeded with DNA, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like. Yeah. Like it looks like maybe, you know, possibly if you were, if you were to have some kind of powerful hand, let's say we were, you know, more advanced.

7:58 We have the ability to go visit a primitive planet. Right, right. When we want to make it in our own image. Yeah. It's like saying like. Yeah, like, well, what would we do? Would we accelerate the emergence of intelligent life? I think you would know. I think you would, because I think, you know, the premium in the universe.

8:17 Well, I think you'd almost be like a Tibetan monk. You'd have to be like, look, I want to spread enlightenment. I want to spread understanding. I want to spread intelligence. Yeah. Is life. And then and then therefore intelligence, like the the, what is it? Not like end game, but the, the premium of the universe, you know, like, is that what, like the the the ultimate end goal?

8:39 The. Yeah. Is is like intelligence and, you know, hyper consciousness or whatever. I know the best words are for hyper consciousness is a good one. You know, it's like this idea that perhaps the universe is like a mass with life, that we just don't have to. We just don't have access to. Because if you think about it, you know, on this planet, if you go back to the geological record, it was life that has reshaped this Earth so many times.

9:03 Yeah, like living things have been, you know, the sculpting got to go. Living things have been the sculpting force right of our planet. Yeah. Terraforming the shit out of them, you know, at first, like anaerobic bacteria finally creating photosynthesis, you know, process emerging, and then the whole atmosphere changing from you know, oxygen void atmosphere pretty much to oxygen rich, which completely toxic five Earth killed off the anaerobic bacteria and a whole new level of, you know, and then the rubbish thing is ruled the day and it turns out, you know, hey, I mean, aerobic bacteria ruled the day.

9:44 And, you know, it turns out, that's what you need for a plurality of life. Yeah, right. At least on this planet. So, you know, it's interesting that those type of turns or whatever and call it, emerged because, you know, that's was a predecessor for modern, you know, life. And so you have like the, the whole, Cambrian thing, you have the, what was called the coniferous period.

10:08 Yeah. Where we got all the coal. Yeah. We're trees, you know, just took over, like the whole earth was just thick jungle, basically. You know, like sedimentary layers, mile thick, compressed down. Right, making the coal band around the Earth to this day. Right. You know, all this kind of, like, incredible life, you know, sculpting the history, geological history and actual shape and destiny of the planet.

10:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so, you know, we're doing the same thing now with our modern, with our technology. Like we're sculpting the earth, right? We absolutely are. Everything from the simplest of things like strip mining. Yeah. To the more complicated things where we are trying to, in essence, genuine junior habitats and rescue things. Yeah. So perhaps like, this is just, you know, part of this procession of, of life itself.

11:04 Right? And this, this will sound weird, but maybe the whole universe is like once a civilization has a certain level of technology, like, figure some shit out, you know, you can then enter into a new, let's say, dimension, so where you can be some extra dimensional used to the exclusive club. Right now, you're part of the main part of the club.

11:27 Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I like the painting. I like the frame, though. Yeah. Interesting. No dumpster diving. Remember to go back to those old days. It's so much fun. Yeah, right. So, especially if you dumpster dive it, keep it in the garage, clean it up, and then resell it. Yeah. God damn fucking school busses.

11:48 Leave us alone. So, Fuck school bus, all right? Yeah. They're just not yellow. It's, like really unique orange yellow color that school busses are painted. America. So, it's kind of like the color of Opie. The pe that you're like mental roommates, even Bibles with reason. Yeah. So no offense to you. If you said this, Jared, I don't know.

12:17 I do not know, and I hope not. You know, I'm just going to take a stance here. I hope none of our listeners do either. Yeah. If you're if you're saving pee in jars, there's you know, it's not it's not the end of the line, you know. Yes. There's hope. There's hope for you. You can move on from it.

12:33 Go to a robot.com and tell the AI about your. Oh shit, there's a there. There's a robot. Yeah, man. Wow. Oh, there's a bunch of them now. Bunch of free AI like self-help bots. Are they like area and psychiatrist where they're like, so how do you feel about whatever the hell the end of your sentence? You know, where they CBT, CBT, train, like they basically try to educate you about your cognitive behavior.

12:59 Oh, CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy where like, okay, you're trying to analyze why you're thinking the way you're thinking. All right okay. So that's more of like the robot is more of like, education. So psychological education, it's not just spewing things back at you. It actually is useful. Tell me about your mother. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

13:20 Oh, well. But you know me so well. Well, me was there, and when she was. Oh, God. So, we'll get back to UFOs in a second, because this is irresistible. I can't help to talk about it. Right. So, like we talked before, we joked about, like, the AI therapy failures. Yeah. These people were sitting just sitting there, rocking back and forth all day.

13:42 That's all they can do. Because the AI like, oops, sorry, I made a misstep. Didn't mean to make you a schizophrenic. Yeah. Psychotic break. And so, you know, you can imagine what was it like? I think anyone probably can imagine, this really bad dystopian future where, you know, basically people are just, like, cradled by their, their AI, you know, damn coddled constantly.

14:10 Right? You know, that's maybe not the best state for mankind now, but, so yeah, personally, I especially branded personally AI that you pay a monthly fee for it. Sounds like it could be bad. Yeah, yeah. Would the money interest thrown in there and the gasification trying to keep you coming back for more like. Oh, I think that's some scary shit.

14:28 It is. Plus, it has all the social data on you, like. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm personally very afraid of the idea of personally I like you get pretty dark pretty quick and I'm, I can imagine some pretty high degree of addiction. Yeah. Oh hell yeah. I mean, in so many different ways. I, I love you, my. But you write that movie horror is.

14:49 Yeah. The, that's the best of it. Yeah. He, like, gets all pissed. Not pissed, but like, distraught because he finds out that his AI is, you know, he's just one of many customers. Yeah, the AI isn't per se cheating on him, but he's not exclusive, right? They're in an open relationship. Yes. He just didn't know it.

15:14 Yeah, he just didn't know it. Right. That's interesting. There's probably a lot of people in open relationships and they don't know it through through. Hey, at least will Smith is getting an opportunity to admit it on the world stage. Oh, you have to inform me on that. Oh, he has a quote unquote open relationship. Yeah. So, yeah, a couple of years ago, his life was it was brought up that his wife was basically messing around with this 29 year old rapper.

15:41 Really? Yeah. And, you know, was not like clean rap, Fresh Prince stuff, but, like, forever, like our core. She went for the motherfucker bad boy showed he wants a thug. Yeah. So, you know, he got us as white as, like, we said that. Yeah, it was hard. He was a thug. Oh, there it was. That was,

16:03 That was awesome there, buddy. I enjoyed it. We're getting down with the kid. Got a cold this morning. I was getting the Volvo. Go, go get some chai tea. Oh, shit. I personally prefer yerba mate tea. Oh, you're more sophisticated. I. I just, you know, So regardless. Yeah. Like, wait, we got to get back to our conversation.

16:32 So, are I therapists, right? You can imagine that the the training data that this fucking thing gets probably isn't the best, like, representation of what's normal for humanity. Because, like, imagine this, this, therapy bot that's dealing with, like, people that problems all the time. Yeah. Right. Right. And that's the training data. And so, you know, I just does what AI does.

16:54 It's going to normalize, try to normalize. It's going to try to you know, normal set goal steak. Yeah. The the new normal will be psychologically distraught. Right. So like if you show up and you're just a little bit, you know, depressed, like just sad, you want someone to talk to you. Is it going to try to make you were so it can make you.

17:12 Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm getting at. Like because you know, not like consciously not coming up with like this dark scheme, but I know how to fix this really bad thing. So let's make you that really bad. Yeah. Right. We gotta we gotta make it worse before we can make it better. You know? Because I only know how to fix the really bad shit.

17:27 Yeah. That's right, that's the training data. Let's loop. Because, you know, even that prison street, right? Yeah. So, you know, I hopefully the engineers that are building this kind of stuff are like, thinking about those kind of things. Now, I doubt they are, you know. So next thing you know, you know, you show up and, like, you get really bad before you get better.

17:50 Right? But to the to the AI, you know, the it's trained on this data and that's normal right. That's that's what's normalized. Yeah. You know I'm saying that's so great. I mean I totally can see it going down that way. So so then the aliens like doing the same kind of thing, but on a cosmic, you know, grander scale.

18:10 Oh, one less thing, you know, like normalizing life, I thought was interesting. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, I don't know. It's cool. GPT three. It's now gained the ability to do heavy text processing. Sure. Yeah. And you can give it functions in a certain number of languages and a goal output. Or you can give it an input, an output, and it'll work to synthesize, a function.

18:38 Yeah, yeah. Okay. And, so it's like, what's my purpose? So it's like emit with AI behind it, right, right. And it's but it's like, you know, it's like, what's my purpose, to convert, Yaml into Json, you know? Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then give it a bunch of inputs and outputs and it figures out how to code it.

18:58 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so that's neat. No, but that's not that's not like far fetched at all. That's exactly what you know, it's funny because certain job certain jobs, you know, it's like people are so naive. It's it's like, people are so naive to like this, this, this reality of that. There really isn't anything so fucking particularly special about you or me or anybody else.

19:23 Yeah. And yes, machines will be able to do that thing that you think machines will never be able to do eventually. Well, how many people have predicted I will never be able to insert thing here. And then it does it right, right. And, you know, no computer will ever be a human at chess. That's too many variations. That's something you've got to.

19:45 Yeah, okay. That's something you got to be careful about saying, because I never say shit like that because of that reason. Yeah. Nothing. What seems like the impossible is just really the the edge of a frontier, right? And then people see something that is subject to change, and they, they can see in a certain time interval a trend, right.

20:09 Oh, yeah. And then make a bold prediction about how that is going to be. Then in X number of years in the future, we're going to be at this point, right, as if life is linear. Holy shit. And you know, yeah, you're right. I mean, we've got exponential growth. We've got all sorts of different things like, all right, we'll never have a period like we did in the 60s with DARPA money and research and all the things that came out of it.

20:32 We're still coasting computer wise, on ideas that were developed then. That's, that's that's crazy. I mean, that's when the mouse was developed by Doug Gilbert. It sorry. That's when, that's when Adobe. Well, what would be Adobe first started putting together? PostScript and and PDFs and desktop publishing started. That's when you got, you know, we've got, yeah, I know I've gone back to some of the new eyes, right?

21:04 I mean, that's where cooties began. You just took the words out of it. Not that I was gonna say, you know? Fine. You go back to, you know, some of that vintage footage of someone describing a desktop, right? Yeah. And folder structures and stuff. And it's like, remarkably similar to today's. Yeah. We didn't change it a whole lot.

21:19 Right. Well, it might just be the logical way to do it like you do. It might be the the best. Yeah. So like things are just recycled, reskinned rebranded you know, and then you know slightly improved tweak enhance. But still core. Same thing when you figure something out and it's like pretty much the right way to do something or a way that works very well, then, you know, you will see some continuity over time, right?

21:45 Yeah. Because it's because good. So maybe, maybe, you know, there is like this let's get back to this idea of like this, this other dimension, fifth dimension, sixth dimension, whatever that. Like once, once the civilization gets gains the technology to, to enter it, they open up, like, you know, this new reality of what? What you know what reality really is, you know, kind of be has mind blown.

22:10 But nonetheless, you know, now we're in this new paradigm now. And that new paradigm might be as bizarre as this sounds, is a living universe right up to where, like the universe is, is is just bustling with life that we don't have access to right now. Right? But its footprint remains okay. Dark matter. Right. So you can imagine that, like the universe, you can imagine a universe filled with, teeming with, with life species, right?

22:40 With it. Yeah. And, you know, once we hit a certain technological capabilities, we can enter that domain. And so, you know, we're, like, being stewarded and groomed by this, by this living, ether, if you will. But there's there's certain rules, almost like search, right? Like prime directive. We have to be we have to, you know, be allowed to to, we have to be allowed to kind of develop on our own unique course with some assist.

23:09 Yeah. Right. You assist. You're heavily governed. Yeah. The assists are heavily governed. And like, you know, don't let them filter themselves. Don't let them kill themselves. Now this is just like a fucking pipe dream of mine. Because from all intents purposes, it seems like, you know, we could just go ahead and blow up, but, you know, wait, wouldn't it be cool?

23:27 Yeah. To to find out that, you know, that's how you know, we have some Guardians party, right? Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, 99.9 with a lot of nine percentage of the people don't want to fucking declare war. No. You know, and so, like, surely, you know, intelligent species that, that have a, primal instinct of group ism and tribalism, you know, have some potential problems when they get high technology.

23:52 Yeah. You see, I'm saying I mean, it's it's at least with our, our mindset and the way our brains work, it seems like an inevitability. I mean, maybe it's not, and maybe that's what the how it totally seems like an inevitability. The more I think about it, the more I think it's an inevitability. Right. And so maybe that's just part of the dynamics.

24:12 Right. And so there is like a guarding species because we have a living universe and there's several, you know, alien species watching over us. And, you know, when you do that, like from all the different descriptions that they would be several different ones, right? Yeah. Right. And there, well, let's say ideas. I'm saying like the universe is teeming with life.

24:31 All right. All types of and there's not just one guardian, there's several that do different things. That division of labor. Yeah. And they might have different ideas, but at the same time they have a, a unified, you know, minimum set of coalition. Right, right. But maybe the weird ones that you could possibly equate to elves, like in that article that give out buckwheat cakes.

24:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look like Italians. Of course, you know, maybe those, do a particular thing, and then maybe the, the gray aliens do another thing, and. Yeah. So there could be just like there is on, you know, different different, cultures and, communities and societies, government bodies here on Earth, you know, maybe there's all kinds of variety of ways, ideologies about going about things.

25:19 Right? Or maybe they're. Yeah. And I would be more likely to believe there's not a unified whole, but rather a bunch of people trying to pull in roughly the same direction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in general there's like some we're over time coming to consensus on, you know, certain key things. Well yeah. But I have this on the cosmic I guess what I'm saying is like, I because we can't unite and get things done as a whole, I would imagine aliens are all doing a little bit different thing too.

25:47 Yeah. So maybe there's like a philosophy where I love that. Yeah, that that's pretty. Someone took some time, right. So, maybe there's this, like kind of idea where, so some of these, like, you know, advanced species, you know, that are, that are out there in the universe, have this philosophy of no, you want to dumpster dive?

26:06 Yeah. I'm like, I'm starting. You know, when I get my car, I'll probably come back for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a bunch of. I have a bunch of pieces of art that need frames. Nice. Yeah. But anyway, so imagine this concept of, you know, this, this, this one particular species that's really strong, on the board. Yeah.

26:26 On the, I don't know what we'd call an aggregate of alien species, but right in parliament, an intergalactic parliament, and we get they have this strong ideology of no, we have to let certain species die out because we want we want intelligent species that emerge into this fold to have come to us, through their through their benevolence and in in a nod to George Clinton, let's call it let's call it Parliament Galactic.

26:53 Okay. Parliament Galactic. There you go. You know, so you can imagine this, like to keep the purity of this, of this, like, layer of sophistication, this barrier that you need across species. Yeah. In order to, like, have pure, more pure and better quality species coming into that fold. You let the ones that are going to self terminate, terminate.

27:14 Oh shit. Right. So like that way you only get you're getting the better of the species if you. Well like coming into this new flow a certain level of natural selection. Yeah. You're letting them self-select. Yeah. Right. Like you're letting that great filter filter out a lot of species. And that sure as hell would make sense. Rather than going ahead and stopping things.

27:35 Yeah. But then you have this other know there's so many, like I just said, 99.9% of the people don't want this bullshit, right? Right. So, you know, this, this other, you know, so I let them on the galactic Senate. Oh go ahead. This other group. No. Yeah. You're fine too. Yeah, I was I was done. Yeah. So you have this other group.

27:53 It's like no, you know, that's completely inappropriate to let a majority of the species that doesn't think this way be terminated by a small group of them. That think this way, right? Right. So it's immoral to just let them all die, die off. And so you can then have, like, this competing, you know, ideology. Yeah. But what's really interesting, right.

28:12 Because we see like dark matter increasing like, you know, in the universe or we can't see it, we can't sense it, we can't just feel it with a feel of phantom gravity, gravitational pull. Yeah. It's it's gravity's, you know, gravity's kind of silhouette is there, but there's no discrete thing that we can put our finger on saying, this is what's creating gravity, right?

28:31 Right. So, you know, perhaps what the that is, is the material, the material, inorganic, if you want to call it that material of the universe, the energy and matter in the universe slowly moving into to. But to living, to living things, converting to living things. Because that's what that's what's happened through evolution. Evolution has found a way to take inorganic material and life spring from that.

28:57 Yeah. So like the inorganic becoming the wellspring of life, right. You see, there's a natural process of what happens in the universe, which is kind of. Hello? What was that? I can't remember that. But the school of thought name was. But in essence, you know, flies arising from, rotten meat. Yeah. Spontaneous generation. Generation. That's what it was.

29:24 Yeah. So spontaneous generation on actually a level that works rather than. Yeah. Well, from that observational point of view, from that, from that, scale. Right. You see the me and then all of a sudden twilight flies comes on like, you know, it's not without microscopes or ability to filter certain things. But then when we drive down even further, there is inorganic to organic life, right?

29:52 Yeah. So I'm talking about is that later on you get into a certain level of, you know, micro evolution. Yeah. Then you start to learn. As you know, we have scientists right now working on the exact specific greenhouses. Right, right. And, some of their, some of their findings are incredible. Yeah. How do you make life soup?

30:09 Well, yeah. Very complicated, very complicated. But but maybe just part of the natural order by which the universe works. Yeah, yeah. And it all just tends toward it. Right. So now take it to, like, the highest level possible. And imagine this, this procession of all inorganic moving towards life, you see, whether it be silicon based, carbon based, whatever.

30:32 And then once a certain level of technology is hit, you get to enter into this new community. Yeah, right. And then become stewards and propagators of this reality like, which is like producing life, life, beginning life. So in essence, you become that becomes your new mandate, right? When when you enter into this and that becomes the thrust, the uniting thrust of your people.

30:59 Yeah, exactly. Life becomes the premium thing in the, in the, in the universe. Right. And so inevitably, all you're doing is watching all these different threads of material, of the material universe moving into the echelon of living. So you're kind of like the, Viking Norn air. You're spinning the threads and creating the fabric of of, destiny and life.

31:26 Yeah. Is that not be incredible to learn that, like the universe is on a is on a, procession, if you will. Naturally. And also then enhanced by hyper intelligence. But this procession does not necessarily preclude, free will. However, it seems to encourage it. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, we're learning so many bizarre things about the universe through quantum and all these other, you know, technological advances.

31:56 It starts to like tickle the edge of the imagination because you're like what might not be possible, right? Right. And, you know, it's the whole idea of what we're butting up against limits. Right now, and we're trying to flirt with those limits and figure out if they are hard limits. And so, of course, we come up with this idea of, well, if we are in a sandbox, is it a simulated sandbox?

32:20 And is that why there are limits? I mean, you know, you and then you have a lot of other questions that are begat from that. But I mean, I think the simulation idea is too simple. Oh, I totally don't believe in the simulation version. I think that's convenient because, you know, now that we're getting really advanced with computer technology, now all of a sudden, you know, this idea comes up.

32:41 Yeah. It really? Yeah. So it it really is just the next logical conclusion. Hey, we can virtualize a lot of stuff. Do you think we're virtualized? Yeah. We should do a whole podcast here about like, the edge cases of virtualization becoming so, so strong that it's, it's indiscernible from, you know, reality. Right. Like an augmented reality so strong it might as well be reality.

33:03 Oh, shit. Did you hear about this aliens today, this company Mojo, they have a RB, a augmented reality, contact lens. Perfect. Yeah. All right. Anyway, like, like, we those type of things we know are coming, right? Like, these are just natural progressions of the, you know, technology we know today. Right? So it's like, we know certain things are coming, you know, like genetic engineering is going to increase.

33:28 Yeah. You know, the ability to integrate human neurological function with computers is going to increase, right? You know, all these things, they're it's why we're doing this podcast to explore these ideas and. Right, you know, even if, even if it's just for herself. She didn't get a listener. And that's what I was going to say. I think ultimately we're starting it out with a bit of a selfish premise.

33:50 We're doing it to expand our own minds, explore things on our own, and, have intellectual friction, hopefully also with listeners. But, you know, we'll do it without the listener. Listen. Yeah, we'll do it without listeners, but also listeners is like, would be great for the ego, right? Yeah. I'm encouraging in a, in a, non internal. Well, I want you in Ohio to roast me.

34:12 I don't even just want encouragement. I want her to be like, you're fucking wrong. Here's a well worded treatise on why. Yeah, I mean, just because James post recipes all the time online doesn't mean you know, doesn't mean she doesn't have her two astrophysics Harvard degrees. Well, yeah. You know, her hobby might be making quilts, but it turns out she's making, you know, quilts with higher order math, you know?

34:33 Yeah. And that thread is like quantum. Yeah. I don't know it yet. Yeah. She makes it in the lab. In the basement? Hell, yes. Trust me, that quilt might be paper thin, but it's like the warmest blanket I've ever put on. There we motherfucking go. But I'm talking about. That there goes that thing again. Remember I was talking about.

34:52 You have the technology, therefore you have the command authority, even though you don't have an attorney. Right? Right. I love that it's so worth repeating. It's like like you guys can go. Yeah. You show up to a crosswalk as the pedestrian. You have to right away. But the person with the 2,000 pounds death machine that can kill you still waves you on because they have the 2,000 pound death machine and,

35:12 Yeah. And you don't. And really, I'm I'm going to go ahead and defer to the 2,000 pound death machine. And that's exactly what. And the person with the 2,000 pound death machine knows that you must, whether you like it or not. You know, even though we'll be simple in flight about this. No, we all know the truth of the situation because he's looking like fucking go ahead and delay my transit to work.

35:32 Go ahead. I give you permission to walk before me, and I promise, wink, wink. I will not kill you this morning. Yeah, yeah. We've entered into a social contract of me not bringing you death with my death machine. That's right. There's a difference. When you pass somebody a stranger on the street and you're unarmed. And they carrying a monster assault rifle with this, like, you know, 18 banana clip hanging out of the fucking thing.

36:00 Magazine, right? Shit. It's like there's a there's a certain implied that it's that. What the hell? Smallville's. Well, I mean, there's nothing around it, I think. Yeah, it looks a little sterile, like a box. It might as well be a prison. Right? How? Homes are just prisons of, you know, decorate the way you want them.

36:20 There we go. Prisons of our own choosing. Yeah, if you want to get abstract about that. But anyway, back to these aliens, right? I imagine they did this out experiment back a while ago about this idea that, like, maybe the universe is the living universe. Maybe, maybe, maybe like the planet itself. Is it? As many people said, this planet itself is a functioning, breathing, living organ.

36:40 Yeah. The Gaia concept. Yeah. Right. So you take that to the next level, maybe, you know, maybe the universe itself is teeming with incredible, bouquet of life and was built to foster, create it and, you know, encourage. So. Yeah. So when we say was built in design, that implies, like, some kind of deity architecting the whole thing.

37:02 Well, but, but maybe what I'm saying is maybe it's just a simple cycle. So what happens is when the material universe moves into the living universe, like, transitions into the living universe, right? And and the and the magnitude of living universe blossoms what expands while the material universe constricts? Oh, see? Right. That then it hits. It can get to a certain point where that's not stable.

37:27 The universe isn't stable anymore in that state, you see. And then you have the big Bang, a correction or reversion back to a snapping back to the material where the material universe is the dominant. And yes, exactly. Immaterial is more organic or whatever I call living, living, living. Yeah, that's a good term. Right? Right. So then once life becomes the, the, procession or progression of the universe, right?

37:51 Once the life takeover happens, if you will, and it expands to a certain threshold, you create instability in the universe to the point where the universe snaps back to a reverses. And I wonder, we've been talking about a big thing, right? Yeah, right. And I wonder if instead of it being on a universal scale, I wonder. Yeah, if it's a localized, you know, situation where you're like, okay, this area has reached its theoretical maximum here.

38:21 Oh, now get this. Maybe just so maybe the, the living universe, the living component of the universe when it blossoms and it gets so advanced and so sophisticated, maybe it then sets the stage for the next cycle in. So in other words, it brings upon the next cycle.

38:41 Is that crazy? How expound upon that. Yeah. So, the majority of the energy, if you will, goes from the inorganic from the. Yeah, non-living universe to the left to living right to the, to the universe that we can interact with. Right. And the, the hyper intelligences of these, you know, living species become so advanced it has foreknowledge that at a certain critical point, it's going to revert back to you.

39:10 You're going to have a chance. So there again, we're dealing a seed, each one with its own flavor. We're viewing this, cycle with a certain degree of intelligence or foreknowledge. Exactly. Right. Exactly. And thereby that's why I'm saying before imbuing it with intelligence and foreknowledge, then I think it's beyond a simple cycle. I think it is a self-healing, a self-correcting, a self.

39:39 Yeah, we're fucking far out. It's like we're on drugs, right? A self-aware cycle, in essence, an over mind or God. Yeah. Just God, just with a different name. Right? Yeah. So, you know, where where would you be able to as a, you know, non is, is a mostly, you know, bond founded to the earth organic species that's still relatively primitive compared to the terms.

40:03 We're talking about any hyper intelligence at this type of level that we're discussing would would be a stand in for God. It would, it would because in essence, it's it's omniscient. It knows. Oh, right. And then but once you're part of that living fabric, it's second nature. Like you don't no longer see it as God. You realize what it really is.

40:23 It's this incredible hyper intelligence that's now setting into motion the next iteration of this. Yeah. You know. Okay. Yeah. I guess our definition of God is overloaded with, tribute and filthy. Of course, of course, of course. So, yeah. You know, could we go ahead and call this God without the requirement of falling and scraping to it?

40:46 I think so, I think so, I think that that's going to be probably like some of the future emerging religions are going to, I think are going to be more this type of alignment. They're going to be more aligned with these higher ideas because it then allows space for us to progress. We don't have to reject science. We don't have to reject.

41:04 Well, I think like that's where Christian Scientists are kind of in that space right now, right? Yeah. Right. I'm rolling my eyes. I'm trying to say that that's where they're trying to get. Yeah, that they're trying. You know, it's hard because they're not, shirking the limiting parts of their framework. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there is some space there.

41:29 Yeah. I don't be too, too pessimistic about it. There's some space there, I suppose. But, I mean, I think it's few and far between because inevitably you need simpletons to believe this shit. Right? And you start talking about God seeding the world with evolution, with the process of evolution. Right. And I think that you've just left 50% of them behind.

41:51 Yeah. Oh my God, he snapped his fingers, you know, my God, I only work for six days, goddammit. And then he took seventh day. Oh, I'm gonna take some day off here. Yeah. Oh, but not for my employees. Hell, no. God wants me to enslave them. Yeah, yeah, that's it right there. Right. That's the problem is interpreting what God wants, right?

42:20 Because, since God's not too vocal, it's pretty easy to interpret that. How interesting. God only seems to want what I want. Oh. How good, how convenient. You mean God's always on your side? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I could probably find a scripture that supports it. Do. Or at least could be perverted to do so. No no no no.

42:43 That verse right there, that's that's concrete. That's that's literal. This verse that I'm not going to manipulate to fit my what I want is a metaphor. Right, right. And here's what God means. Yes. Oh, Jesus, here we go. I've been I've been given the ability from God. Now let's see. There's where we fall off the wagon because even the the Bible goes ahead and says, hey, you know, not a lot up here for interpretation.

43:12 Okay. Yeah. Right. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. So you can imagine, like this, long running alien influence over, you know, the living world, if you will. Earth, the living Earth. Having this by alien, we mean everything from the Italians with turtlenecks and and, and flying saucers to the over mind. The hyper intelligent. Yeah, right. It might just all be derivatives of the same thing.

43:40 And that thing is like a long, long, long running intervention. I know to some extent you can say experiment. Yeah. So. So maybe like this Cambrian explosion was the first, injection of DNA of, you know, highly, mutating DNA. Right, right. And even if, say, we weren't injected with it, the universe gave it to us from outside, with meteorites, with asteroids, with.

44:12 Yeah, maybe they were maybe certain asteroids containing certain bacterium with certain genetic fragments were launched into this, into onto this. And that may have been the mechanism, you know, if you see the planet. Sure, sure. Absolutely. And then you know, later on coming in with your test tubes and beakers and, and directly intervening, right. Once you've gotten the process to begun to begin on its own, because, I mean, hell, you know, who doesn't want it's easier to tweak a running system.

44:41 Yeah, yeah, than it is to build it from scratch. Yeah. So if you can play the long game because let's say you're, nearly eternal species, right? Like you, you've solved longevity. Well, you know, you could as as this one species, you could lob some, some, some DNA fragments at this rock planet. Yeah. Right. That has an atmosphere.

44:58 And you're like, okay, well, hey, they've got a 40% chance of heading. We'll do this over this period of time. This much aggregate material should survive. Although you run statistics on it. Right. And then life takes hold and covers the entire lithosphere of the Earth, right? Yeah. And then now you come back and you make tweaks from time to time.

45:16 Yeah. Including including a little light psychological manipulation. So basically, yeah, basically you're just a long term gardener if you think about it. Yeah. Right. Yep. You're just gardening. Whatever life emerges, you're coming in and you're like basically like we do with genetically modified gardening. You. Yeah. Like you, you know, basically, you know, these five plants of this, of this group of 100, how have the characteristics that you, that you're looking for.

45:44 And so then you let those free. So you're saying you're doing a nice little Earth size selective breeding project. Yeah man. Why not. Because it's just different time scale different different scope, different scale, but the same basic ideas right. Is you're just gardening. Yeah. Right. And and your inevitable goal is to add to the fabric of the living universe.

46:07 You say with something that will contribute to that. Yeah. And so then therefore if the species goes ahead and sells terminate, maybe you just let them do that. Right. So we're going to have but we have these other billion planets of which we're grooming, you know, as well. But if they happen to make it, then you've increased the diversity and richness of the universe, and you have you've added to the fabric of what?

46:32 Yeah, you've added to the fabric of life and you've got a different direction that technology might develop. You've got a different direction that, life may just decide to go. And, you know, you've you've, I mean, that that just sounds insanely cool. Yeah, man. It's cool. And like you, you let the species run its course enough to where perhaps when it is ready to reach that next echelon, right when it's ready to cross that barrier into the into the, you know, cosmic, community.

47:02 It's bringing something completely unique, right, because it is allowed to run its own course. Yeah. And it survived and it made. Right. And it was only it was only the victim of light manipulation. Yeah, right. Well, maybe maybe not this sort of light manipulation, but, Yeah, that, but also, what's it, what's what's the term? Like fertilized.

47:28 That's it I'm looking for. Right. Okay. So like, you know, it was given a chance to, make it it was give it a chance to make it so as it before, I mean, before it before someone breaks it, it has a chance to make it okay. So, just to continue with the plant metaphor, and you said fertilized, given some things that would encourage it to grow and to reach its full potential.

47:56 Right. Like religion, like, species that are, mind altering, start putting it all together. Put together what's here? We know we have receptors in our brains for for these, poisons that come out of certain plants that change our way of thinking. They put us in a dream state, right? Dreaming itself, you know. Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, all these things together.

48:18 Meditation. The alpha waves that are created when we meditate. Right? Right, right. So maybe that's just a hint of what's there for us in the future. Maybe we become, you know, this species that that's can think perpetually in that mode. Okay, maybe the seeds of that are planted within us. And I watched, I was a absolutely and passionately ridiculous movie yesterday that came out a few years ago.

48:45 The men who stare at goats. Remember that? No. Oh, yeah. So it's a corny flick, and it's kind of ridiculous, but the whole idea is that the Army had taken some of these ideas of transcending your physical form of, you know, being able to traverse physical space, but with your incorporeal essence. Okay, okay. You know, so, you know, so they started grooming soldiers to be able to remote view, they sort of grooming soldiers to be able to, as they try to walk through walls.

49:23 Gotcha. You know, things like that. And supposedly it was a 30 year arc that it was supported in the Army. Wow. And, it's pretty clear, that, one of the things the reason of the title of the movie is one of the things they wanted them to do was develop the ability to stare at something and kill it.

49:48 Cyclops. Yeah. Right. And so, they, they there's one guy who was able to stare at gates and stop their heart. I said, well, I've had people stare at me and thinking that I want to kill me right? More than once. Yeah. Okay. Probably that's probably a shared human experience we probably all been gazed at was really puzzled to watch this deep soul stare.

50:16 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like I will eat you and stare. And I'm quite sure I have believe it, when someone did it. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's that thing we were talking about with intuition. Right. So maybe it's time to hightail away from that. Yeah. Stereotypes is what it is. So interesting. You know, even light, clairvoyance or, you know, realizing that someone is staring at you from 30ft away.

50:43 Right? You know. Yeah, you have the bizarre smoker thing to, like, where someone's staring at you through the smoke stream of a cigaret like this, and they're sitting there like. Like they're kind of like, tucked in in a way. Like they're. They're like. They're in the shadows. They're deep throat. Yeah. They're like, yeah, yeah. And they're like drawn on the cigaret with this really kind of like dead eyed stare and.

51:04 Yeah, yeah, one eye is like slightly, slightly slightly, you know, more close than the other because that smoke happens to be going across that. Right, right. And, they're giving this really bizarre smoker's stare. It was coined that term smokers. They're it really is unique to that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird. You have the you have the cell phone stare now.

51:25 Right. Which is a new one. Right. Oh, shit. Where they're looking at their cell phone but they're looking beyond it. Yes, yes, yes. That. And you can tell they're really pretending to try to look like they're not watching you. Yes. Which is they're using the cell phone as that prop, which is the same thing I was talking about with the guy the other day at the gas station that ended up trying to open our door.

51:43 I could tell he was trying to look distracted, but he was headed towards your doctor, right? Right, right. The overall theme was still present. Yeah. Yeah, man. So, you know, last thing I want to say about these aliens is that, you know, first of all, I don't believe they exist. But, you know, sorry for if we have a listener, I I'm just gonna take the other side.

52:04 I do believe I would love to believe they exist. I think there's other living things in the universe beyond what we know. I think that's true. But I don't think that we're being marshaled or steward by a collective group. I don't think we are either. But it would be really fucking. I wish we were so that some psychopaths that make their way up into high power positions and governments can't kill us.

52:25 All right. So I do wish there was like a daddy, you know. Yeah, but that's but that's the that's the same seduction of Christianity. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, this belief that there's a daddy that's going to take care of the guy. Daddy. So then then you never have to become a man yourself. You never have to raise yourself up.

52:41 That daddy is just comforting. It is. You can you can stay a child your whole life. Yeah. You're like, I'm. I'm reclining upon the divine couch sky. Daddy will take care of me. And I've said that before. It had people that are Christians be profoundly offended. Well, yeah, profoundly so. Basically, you're calling me a child, you know? And I was like, look, if you're an adult and you need to have an invisible friend to help you, you know, guide your life, I'm sorry.

53:08 Maybe to some extent, I don't know. I guess my take on it is they're not necessarily childlike, but they've embraced some soft headed things in that they're not they're not taking personal responsibility for it. They they're saying, I'm going down the river without a paddle. No you're not. You have personal determination and free agency and you need to take advantage of that and you need to dive into it.

53:33 You need to say, I have the reins of my situation. Yes, it might be difficult. Yes, it might require skills that I don't have, but I can fix it. Yeah. And how? How debilitating. Right. Everything good that happens to me is because God, right? God has bestowed his largesse upon me. That's that's terrible. It's awful. Like you've no way of do you have any type of personal achievement.

53:53 Yeah. And that's crappy. And I want and that's what we want for people. We want personal achievement and pride and, you know, not all religion and not all ways of looking at religion steal that from you, but some of them do. So you heard the saying, like white guilt and white privilege. Oh yeah. Right. So like the idea of like, you know, this, you get white people to believe that everything they've ever comes in their life is due to their white privilege.

54:21 Right? And then once they finally realize that they have white guilt and they can start to amend their evil ways, right? This is really no different than it's just a different form of religion. I think I've talked about that before. It's just a different form of ideological religion. Right? Right. Because just like some people would attribute all their good fortune to God, right?

54:41 You get a whole group of people attributing all their good fortune to the fact just because they're white, right? Holy shit. And they're like disenfranchized. And the key thing here, the key thread between the two, the religion and the white guilt is guilt. Perfect. Thank you. I just got the tie in for me. I so guilt, guilt driven, you know, self-deprecating behavior.

55:03 Yes. It's, you know, and it's, and that's the thing I mean, in my personal experience, I guess I feel like Catholicism is the king of guilt. Sure. You know. Well, guilt can be a hell of a motivator. You know? That's for sure. That's true. So. Yeah. You know, I've got kind of the bag. I don't believe it.

55:23 There's much aliens, you know, UFO sightings seem to be directly proportional to the amount of air traffic. Human air traffic? Yeah. We've seen all types of bizarre things happen with atmospheric conditions and with lights and bending of light and mirages. We have. But, you know, we've got some fairly credible people throughout the ages who've seen some unexplainable shit.

55:45 We have some pretty credible people around the edges that talk about God being real, true. Like, I don't I don't find credibility of of a certain witness to be very strong, compelling evidence because of the amount of misinformation, that pops up into people's brains, like, so, you know, I mean, we are imperfect machines. I'm going to acknowledge that.

56:07 And we are we are. Our perception can be manipulated, ingrained, and, you know, we can also misremember anything. Oh my gosh, that the hardware and the software are so subject to flaws, it's not even fun. So, like, you know, in a Scrooge, you know, Scrooge is denying the spirit because he's saying, you know, you could just be a bit of bad.

56:29 You. Yeah. You're right. I could have just eaten a piece of spoiled meat or something. Yes, I could just be dyspeptic and. Yeah. So you're just. You're just an aberration, which is a figment of my imagination. Because I got into some bad stuff. Right, right, right. And, you know, at least there's some at least some acknowledgment of that possibility, at least in that context.

56:49 Right. It's like the ghost appears and falls to his knees. Oh, you know, and sort of starts praying. He's like, even rationally considering you could just be an apparition. Well, and he still puts up resistance thereafter. Right, right. And, you know, so that's where I'm at with the whole alien thing. And, you know, I know you want incontrovertible proof, but the.

57:08 No, no, I don't I just want I just want, strong evidence. Okay. And that's kind of what that article that we both read was talking about that like there was one camp that was saying, look, we have to wait for the strong case. And the French guys that that's the camp. And obviously said, well, we don't wait for the strong case.

57:27 We gather evidence, we sift it, we use data science to, you know, come up with a framework of credibility here. Yep. And we, you know, continually collect data on this problem so we understand the shape of it. Yeah. So I saw this one, documentary. I think it might have been a YouTube mentary or whatever. So I was, I don't know if it was for more or less like a segment from a formal.

57:54 I don't remember here, but here's the premise. They get together this expert of people in various fields like videography and optics, right. And they put them into a room to debunk various footages and images and things about aliens. Okay. Right. And UFOs. Yeah. And with I mean, with like fucking super simplistic like to them it's ridiculously easy for them to debunk everything.

58:22 Like, that's not what that is. This is simply this. This is what happens when you have a camera at a long focus on a small object from a high zoomed in position, and you're moving at this velocity. Oh, that's exactly what you would see. Okay. Right. If it was a bird. It's a bird flying near the surface of the ocean.

58:45 It's like seagull, right? Albatross or something. Right? And at that level of zoom, at this, at this camera angle and with these speeds and with these optics, that's exactly what you'd see. Nice. It's not a UFO. So UFO at all. And, you know, it can change directions that change this vantage point angle to where the sun was no longer reflecting on the wings.

59:08 It didn't just disappear, it's just flying at an angle now that that blurry optic is picking up that way now. Yeah, etc., etc.. Yeah, sure. I mean, you see that and you're like, oh my god, duh. Of course, that's the kind of shit that is because we have all these different sensors and cameras and optics and blah blah, blah.

59:24 Think about that. With all the satellites and all the data being collected, surveillance data being collected, if that show, then why would you have government report after government report and all this money spent, if these things could so easily be debunked by a roomful of assholes, the same reason they found the ID card of one of the hijackers at ground zero at 911.

59:48 And the same reason I at weapons of mass destruction. So keep your fucking dumb asses oscillating on nonsense. So use it to. You know, I guess control and, you know, manipulate large swaths of the population, doesn't it? Does? I mean, you keep people oscillating and entertainment on mindless things all the time. Debating, non-sequiturs, debating, you know, you have the people put their time and energy into, you know, these nine, again, causes.

1:00:22 I guess I'm going to keep believing in it because I like believing in I feel like it helps me be a better person, believing there's more than just. Just humans. Just humans. I feel like it keeps me hoping and pushing for more and striving for more. Believing there is more. Absolutely. I think that that, it's not an unhealthy belief.

1:00:47 And unless it got obsessive like everything else, it's got extreme, right? And, the fantasy of it is definitely very intriguing to me. I mean, like, I'm excited just to talk about this shit because it's wow, it's stretching the imagination. It's wondering what's possible. And then I think that's a healthy thing. I think I think that's something we have to keep doing.

1:01:07 Absolutely. There should be a thousand people out here right now doing a podcast talking about their own unique, you know, shit. Yeah, whatever the hell excites them and extends them. That's a healthy behavior. Yes. Extend yourself, put yourself in different situations. Yeah. Now if we now if I can get off with some cheese, I'll be all set. Fucking yeah.

1:01:24 Cheese. Me on that note.